Let's Do It.......Mays or Berry??
by rlott#42 on Oct 16, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
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Not that this is a topic that will be addressed in reality anytime soon, nevertheless Eric Berry and Taylor Mays are the premiere safeties in college that are being discussed. Everyone knows my take on the discussion, however I would be satisfied with either and blown away with both. Let's take this time to chime in on this discussion, I would really appreciate as many views as possible. Now let's keep it clean and not make this full of personal lashings.
Here are some stats to compare
Berry:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235998
Mays:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183232
Here are SOME highlights, I'm sure we all have seen them!
Mays http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJU64wUPxEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv2iN4bUeVM&feature=related
Berry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMD4tZKT8SU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQyShXYyDEM VERY SURPRISING
There you have it, yeah it's a small taste of both , but I'm sure we watch youtube and sportscenter, attached is a poll and if you vote please comment as to why you vote where you have. (KEEP IT CLEAN)
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Mays
in those highlights, it seems like he’s leading with his helmet a lot on those big hits, which could be a problem.
I like Berry, even though he’s not as big of a hitter, he seems like more of a ball hawk.
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Well, that depends, are we replacing Goldson or Lewis?
If we’re replacing Michael Lewis at SS, Taylor Mays. If we’re replacing Dashon Goldson at FS, Eric Berry.
Berry will be an NFL FS. Mays will be an NFL SS.
by James Brady on Oct 16, 2009 9:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would say replacing Goldson
I was hearing he has ball hawking ability in practice, so maybe he as time to get under the wounded ducks. SS in our scheme appears to me nothing more than a tackler. I personally think we need to upgrade both so we would be taking the BPA!
"Optimist Prime"
"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
Although
it would be nice to have either one of these guys, I voted we don’t need a safety. This is based on my opinion that both these guys will be gone top 15 in the draft. I beleive that there are bigger holes on the team than either of the safety positions. I think that Eric Berry will probably be gone top 5 because he is well rounded. I think Mays will be better though at the NFL level though because he will make people fear…fear causes D coordinators to gameplan for one guy (i.e. Troy Palamalu). USC has produced some great safeties and a few HOFers. It’s nothing against Berry because I think he’ll be good also, I just think that Mays will be more of an impact.
Also tend to agree with Ninjajames in that Berry will be a FS and Mays a SS. With that in mind, if you’re forcing me to make a choice, Lewis is older, has had 3 concusions. etc…so it makes more sense to patch that up before FS
That fear factor is really overrated
This is the NFL, OC’s will not game plan around a big hitter before a ball hawk. That’s why big hitting safeties always make big hits over the middle. Oc’s expect their guys o take those hits. If Mays doesn’t learn to wrap up he’ll be getting a lot of air!
"Optimist Prime"
"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
Either way if we're picking early..
With say, Carolina’s pick and we’re to assume that Eric Berry and Mays are there, I’d still rather have a couple other positions first. Like OT, OLB, DT, CB.
I think S is a bigger need than CB. But then again, if we’re picking early enough to have our pick between these 2, we’re gonna have to take a long hard look at the QBs available.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
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I'm not the biggest football guy around
But it seems to me that there are a lot more things that we need before a QB.
Specifically those big ass slow guys in front of the QB that keep him from getting killed.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Tarrel Brown
He definitely has an upside and they’ve been cultivated pretty well I think. Last year he had 30 tackles and 2 INT’s in the short amount of time he got to play
...Oh come on.
I’ve been clamoring for Brown to start from the get go and everyone tells me I’m crazy. I’m convinced he’s never going to get his chance.
by James Brady on Oct 16, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you think Clements overwhelmingly large contract is why he is the starter.
He is constently burnt 1 on 1
"Optimist Prime"
"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
Roddy White, Sidney Rice, Fitzgerald
3 td’s through the air against Clements
"Optimist Prime"
"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
That has less to do...
… with him than it does with Clements and Spencer doing pretty good jobs (up until last week). If Brown didn’t have any potential, the 49ers wouldn’t be supposedly trying to extend his contract (to no avail, of course).
Why not?
Lewis out, Clements at safety, Brown at CB.
Be SAFE before playing Safety.
I’m no Doctor, but I hate to see a guy get in a hurry to play after a concussion.
Ronnie Lott made the change and was great, and Clements is not too different from Lott. He hits like a TRUCK. I remember watching how much slower Lott was in the later years and it looks like Clements has lost some speed too.
Continued.
Maybe, Clements, like Lott before him, is no longer fast enough for CB
The 49ers...
… aren’t going to move Clements until his deal comes closer to a close. You just don’t pay that kind of money for a safety, especially when he’s been pretty solid all year (minus the last game).
Sisn't how they scored show that #1 wideouts had been torching us?
One of them gave up a TD in every game except Seattle and St Louis
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"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
Just a question and please everyone chime in
Is our biggest need on the OL Guards or Right tackle?
"Optimist Prime"
"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
I'd go with guards.
Baas is probably not going to be retained unless for cheap, so that’s one starter that needs to be replaced already. Rachal will likely earn himself the starting job again at some point, but I’m thinking the 49ers need at least one potential starting guard, as it’s just too convenient.
The 49ers also need a starting RT
So I would put G and T at the same level of need
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I think LG...
… the finesse (or more pass-pro oriented) guard is a lot more important in the long run and is more worth a higher (late first or early second) round pick.
I think we need a guard as well bit I highly doubt we draft one where Mays and Berry will be going at least I hope we don’t.
I want me some Buster
The 49ers need a RT and a G and there are some top Ts in the top part of the draft
If they go for either Berry or Mays they will again miss the boat on improving the OL.
Right now a high SS or FS is a luxury the 49ers can’t do. Fix what is broken first.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Yes.. the OT in the high 1st..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Guards
Guards are more essential in run blocking, and if this is going to be a run first team we need that. A strong guard can also help out your offensive tackles when they’re being outmanned.
However there are very few guards who are worth a first round pick (unless it’s the bottom third of the first).
Both are guards now are 2nd round picks
The issue hasn’t been ignoring the position . . . well in regards in trying to bring in talent.
I wonder how much of the O-line woes
are the lack of talent from the players and the actual blocking schemes drawn up by Raye?
If you have a poorly designed blocking scheme no lineman in the world can make it look good. I can’t think that our line is as bad as it is from lack of talent.
Raye isn’t drawing up any crazy blocking schemes with high degree of difficulty. They are running an offense which should suit their strength in size and aren’t asked to get out into the field and block people into space to often. One or two guys are flat out missing their blocks on the onset of the snap it’s constantly setting off this domino effect that crumples the entire line.
We could use an elite safety
But its definitely not our biggest need. Not even close. Based upon the horrible showing by the O-Line recently, we desperately need help on the right side of our line. And an elite pass rusher would definitley take our defense to the next level. Our secondary might look bad at times, but I am of the opinion that part of that is the D-lines inability to get a push off the ball. Did we even touch Matt Ryan last game?
by Pearlsofwisdom on Oct 16, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
like I said in another thread
I really wouldn’t be disappointed if our first 3 picks all went for linemen
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I also would like our first picks for OL but we can also pick up a RT or RG FA this offseason which opens up those picks.
IF… and that is a big IF…. the Niners resolve the OL problems before the trading deadline on Tuesday or in the offseason via FA then I would say it is a toss up for SS, NT, OLB/Pass rusher and RB.
I say RB because Gore’s ankles don’t seem to be able to support him for long periods of time.
NT because Franklin will be a FA after this season and one of the top NT could provide some stability on the DL.
OLB, a top rusher would be nice to have but the team also has to use the OLBs in this way. We could have Peppers but if they don’t send him it doesn’t matter.
SS is a need in the long run and I am not sure which of Mays or Berry is best at SS.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Mays is easily better at SS.
Considering that’s the position he’ll play in the NFL. No team will play him at FS.
by James Brady on Oct 16, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering that’s the position he’ll play in the NFL. No team will play him at FS.
A little too definitive for me. I think a team that has a solid SS may want to at least try him out at FS. It’s a little hard to justify taking a SS that high unless you at least try him at FS.
This is not to say...
… he really isn’t an SS, though. I just think he’ll get a shot somewhere at FS, first.
Some guy named Lott was a CB first.. and a top one at that
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
That doesn't make sense.
With Mays, if you don’t have a need at SS, you don’t draft him. They wont get him because he’s there and go “Oh wait we have a good SS..”
by James Brady on Oct 16, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Regardless....
… of what me or you think about him, he’s still a VERY unique talent. He’s going to be taken high, and you don’t take SS high.
Al Davis does
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 16, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Mays is toast at FS in the NFL
His coverage ability is already lacking.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Pete Carroll
Has compared him to Lott and Palamalu… He was Palamalu’s coach so… that should tell you a little bit about Mays. Would you make the sam comment about Palamalu?
Feel free to take what Pete Carroll says as the truth
Coaches always talk up their players.
What position did/does Polamalu play, SS? So your support for Mays being able to play FS in the NFL is to compare him to a SS who was arguably better than he was in college?
Polamalu had 6 INT in 3 years at USC while playing SS. Mays has 5 thru his career at FS. 5 INT for basically a 4 year starter in college is not what I’d be looking for in an NFL FS.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 16, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
So
I guess when Carroll was saying great things about Palamalu he was simply talking up his player…
If it’s your argument that it’s a different position and Carroll doesn’t know what he’s talking about then I will further validate it with John Robinson making a similar comment about how Mays reminded him of Lott when he played at USC. Lott played CB but this goes to show you that if you have that much talent, you can adapt to any position. If you think Mays is gonna get burnt in the NFL then thats fine to have your own opinion but I am too and I suspect you may be off in your speculation
Yes
I guess when Carroll was saying great things about Palamalu he was simply talking up his player
What else was he doing? All the comparisons to Polamalu do is suggest that Mays is more of a SS than a FS.
Lott played CB but this goes to show you that if you have that much talent, you can adapt to any position
No, what this shows me is that a good CB in college can make the the transition to Safety in the NFL (mush like a lot of people thought Malcom Jenkins would). CB is a tougher position to play in the NFL than Safety. Much like FS is a tougher position to play in the NFL than SS.
My argument is that Polamalu was more productive against the pass while playing SS than Mays has been while playing FS. Hence, if Polamalu was better in pass coverage as a SS in college than Mays is as a FS in college where do you get the idea that Mays can play FS in the NFL. Because Carroll compared him to Polamalu and Lott? What was the comparison even of? Tenacity, hitting ability, desire, tackling, coverage skills, ball hawking skills, ability to FS in the NFL?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 16, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it just me or does this fall under the category of adaptation…
No, what this shows me is that a good CB in college can make the the transition to Safety in the NFL
Because Carroll compared him to Polamalu and Lott?
I should definitely tale your word over his. What was I thinking?
Comparing...
… Mays to Polamalu and Lott has more to do with Carroll pumping up USC lore than actual talent comparison.
More people
than just Carroll himself have made the comparison. Folks that have nothing to do with USC
So how can Carroll say he reminded him of Lott?
He seen him from the same standpoint as we did. Carroll wants to insult our HOF’s now, (site decorum him)
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
What else was he doing?
I don’t know…maybe speaking the truth? Could be a possiblity since he sees him day in day out in pracice that he knows something that lets say…uh…you don’t. That he probably would be exceptional in the NFL… There’s more than one reason that he made the statement besides selling the program
Haha
Speaking the truth? Have you watched the game today? Mays has zero ball skills. Just a LB lined up 10 yards off the line of scrimage. Mays is the most overrated player in college football.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 17, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Bet for sigs? Did you say
Was that for a season or permanent?
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"Child Please" -Ochocinco
The decision is yours
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 17, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No it's ours
Is this a permanent sig? whatever your rules are let me hear (read)
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"Child Please" -Ochocinco
He looked mediocre today
I actually stopped watching (the Florida/Arkansas game is more exciting….although horribly officiated).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 17, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Carrol talks up all his players
Bush, White, Linehart, WIlliams, it goes with the system
"Optimist Prime"
"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
He's more dangerous
at the FS position, that’s for sure. But I think most NFL teams will look at the size thing and consider him at SS
I could see that too
Kind of like a rich man’s Darnell Bing.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't even think he's that good
Just a rich man’s Darnell Bing.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 17, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Hm..
The only d-lineman I’d want in the draft if Ndamuk Suh. If he is not available and we go for a pass rusher, it needs to be an OLB a la Sergio Kindle.
by James Brady on Oct 16, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d be happy if we got Cody.
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In response
Did we even touch Matt Ryan last game?
Those TD’s were Max protect and our DB’s gave up TD’s with 2 and 3 routes being ran and we had 5 DB’s playing D………..To say we don’e need safety help and corner help is unbelievable!
"Optimist Prime"
"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
Mays is a demon in that secondary...
but against NFL level recievers? I’m afraid of him overcommitting to that big hit and getting burned. Berry isn’t as big and scary, but he might be the smarter buy.
Whether or not we need such high pick safety help… maybe. There’s still too much season left. In 10 or 12 weeks, who knows who will have stepped up, and who will have fallen off.
Still too early, but fun to window shop.
But the 49ers have a wonderful view to window shop through for the 2010 draft with 2 # 1s
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Or we could sign Atogwe
That way it frees up one of our picks to take a franchise QB. With the exception of guys like Brees and Warner, franchise QBs are almost all acquired through the draft.
If we get Atogwe we should trade our 1st for a late first and a 2, their are teams that make those deals did ayone see the Pats work the draft last year?
"Optimist Prime"
"Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" -Woody Paige
I'd take Berry over Mays, but
I agree that we should probably look at drafting OL, DL, pass rush first. Maybe trade down like rlott#42 said, if the right people in those positions aren’t there when we pick. Anyway, Berry seems like the total package, which, to me, seems more important than being fast and hitting people hard. Who was it that traded their whole line a few years ago?! Not that we should go that far, but…
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
Berry is far superior to Mays and I don't see why anyone would argue otherwise.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
It's more of me being puzzled why everyone overrates Taylor Mays so much.
Okay, he’s large and can run fast. Sounds like Darrius Heyward-Bey of the secondary. Al Davis must be ecstatic right now.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Oct 16, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Props to the Frog
Spot on.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 17, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't really tell
Russell sucks so bad I can’t tell ya who can catch on their team besides Miller
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"Child Please" -Ochocinco
He's dropped plenty of catchable passes
He looks awkward on the field.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 17, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ronnie Lott played corner
Berry played corner, berry can hit and berry can ball hawk. Berry
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
Lott played corner in the pros. That’s a pretty big difference.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
Berry hasn' reached the pros yet.
Lott was drafted to play corner, so does that mean Berry can’t play corner at the NFL level, and does this mean that Mays is a better prospect? No and No
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
No, but I’m just saying the Ronnie Lott comparison is hollow. It’s fine that you prefer Berry but that doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is Ronnie Lott.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Oct 18, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't followed either of them
but based on those highlight clips I have a couple of observations.
Taylor Mays can hit hard. That’s great, and that’s what you want in an NFL star. But, it seems to me that he’s looking for the hit first and the tackle second, and that’s very bad. He’s not going to be able to lay out every NFL wide receiver or running back like he can a college back or wideout. I didn’t see very many open field tackles from him either.
Eric Berry may not hit as hard as Taylor Mays, but he definitely seems to be a better open-field tackler. He also looks like a much better ball hawk—he seems to have a better awareness of where the ball is at and where it’s going to be at. Those are definite attributes that you want in an NFL player.
If we’re gonna draft a safety in the first round I’d grab Eric Berry. Maybe use our Carolina Pick on him if he’s available and then use our own pick on a guard or Right Tackle.
If you’ve only seen the highlights, I suggest (if you’re able to) watch the USC vs. Notre Dame game as well as the Tennessee vs. Alabama game tomorrow. Those are huge games for both players
I don’t see how ND isn’t a good program this year. They’re ranked #25 in the nation and have a pretty good pass game and Jimmy Clausen has been mentioned in the Heisman race so it’s not like Mays won’t be tested. Yes USC has faced Ohio State and Cal but it’s not a walk in the park for Mays facing a pass heavy team like ND. It will be a good test and thats what I meant for the people who doubt his pass coverage ability. And for Berry, he will go up against the #2 ranked Alabama and even more of a test there for him in that one
Merely just expressing to smileyman that if he wanted to get a good look, now would be a good weekend to do so
There is a competition difference
Berry could be reaching and out of position all game because Alabama is better than Tenn. Not out of the norm for a kid to foolishly try to play above his means to give his underdog team a shot.
Mays meantime might play a ND team that could very well wet the bed and make him look amazing.
I have no dog in this fight but don’t want this argument to come down to this Saturday. ND made Jamarcus Russell into #1 draft pick.
Regardless of watching those games
Berry has played better competition throughout his whole collegiate career. He’ll also be a possible punt asset. He is so close to Ed Reed a high pick is worth it. He will be an impact player and he is as close to a sure thing as any player in the draft. Comparing him to Mays is an injustice.
Drew K
Can you find a link with Mays in a wrap up tackle?
I can find big hits from Berry and wrap up ackles as well. Couple solo tackles on Tebow to go?
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
There's plenty of wrap ups in here. Check it out
Usually when he wraps up, the balls coming loose at the same time
I've seen plenty of non-wraps today
Which won’t cut it in the NFL
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 17, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the same recycled comments about Mays
thats what this meant… Aflac!! cause that’s all the duck can say.
Wrapped-up like this you mean?
1st Time Reseaching Both Players...
I watched a bunch of Youtube Videos of both of these guys for the first time today, and here is my conclusion.
Berry seems to have the ball thrown to him for an interception every play. It seems like he is always in the right spot when the quarterback makes a mistake. He also is very good at eturning INTs, maybe could be used as a kick returner?
Mays can sure hitstick. He lets his man go up for the catch and hits him as hard as he can hoping the man doesn’t hold on to the ball. I would much rather my safety go up and try to make a play on the ball instead of playing the man.
To be honest, both of these players would be welcome on the 49ers. They both seem to be good safetys but I cant decide which one will be better for our team because they are 2 completely different players.
I can hear it now... David Stern says, "And with the #1 pick in the 2009 Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Blake Griffin, Power Forward from Oklahoma."
by sac-townz finest on Oct 17, 2009 5:03 AM PDT reply actions
Elements of the game
Hard hitting- Both
Ballhawking- Berry
Man Coverage- Berry
Leadership-??
call it 3 to 1 berry
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"Child Please" -Ochocinco
Let me revise an earlier comment
You don’t know jack, except that Berry is better than Mays. Haha
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 17, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Get Taylor Mays
that is all.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
Taylor Mays had a major let down on the Fake FG
How do you not see a WR split when you’re responsible for counting their 11 guys on the field. Taylor Mays is overrated, especially after the game today.
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
He didn't even do anything
He was never around the ball (and when he was it took him forever to get there), he didn’t break on running plays to provide support, he never seemed to read the QB correctly to put himself in a position to make a play, and he [site decorum]ed up on the fake FG.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 17, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That was #36 that messed up
on the fake FG… suggest you go back and watch. He was in on quite a few plays. You said you didn’t even watch the entire game and switched to watch the Florida Arkansas game
I did
But that was because I was pissed Taylor Mays didn’t do anything.
Here is what I think: If he’s going to be a run stopping safety, shouldn’t he actually be able to read the offense and realize when a run is coming so he can break on the snap and make the play (like Polamalu)?
He doesn’t even move when the ball is snapped. He stands like a statue and gets to the ball very late.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 18, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Free Safety is the safety valve as in the last man accountable for anything deep
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
It's the Shogun of no fun
Berry is the Better Saftey
Berry
Games 32
INT’s 13
Ret. Yards 487
Ints. ret. TD’s3
PD 15
FF 1
2007 5 INT 2008 7 INT 2009 1 INT
Mays
Games 45
iNT 5
Return yards 40
TD 0
PD 18
FF 1
2006 3 INT 2007 1 INT 2008 0 INT 2009 1 INT
Berry also has more career tackles. Berry is clearly better. Watching them play he has a higher football IQ. For example the 45 yard Touchdown pass to Golden Tate. Mays got there late and went for the hit while Tate still scored. If he wraps up he stopped at the 1. ND’s other deep threat( M.Floyd) is on the sideline and Golden Tate just had 240 last game. Play recognition tells you to cheat to that side. While I will say it was a great throw. Berry makes those plays against tougher competition. Name 5 good WR’s in the Pac-10 the last two years that don’t play for USC. Compared to Julio Jones Percy Harvin Brandon Lafell AJ Green Louis Murphy. This a joke. Lets not fall in love with Mays’ size and look at the production. Berry all the way.
Good analysis
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 18, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay Let Me Try
Jimmy Clausen
2007: 56.3 Comp % 1254 Yards 7TD 6INT (True Frosh)
2008: 60.9 Comp % 3172 Yards 25TD 17INT
2009: 70.2 Comp % 1819 Yards 15TD 2INT
Actually in Clausen’s last 9 ganes he has these stats
Record: 7-2
Comp %: 71.1
Yards: 2716
TD: 25
INT: 3
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 18, 2009 1:06 AM PDT reply actions
It Is Also The Passes
he can thrown, which is every single last one. I mean you all talk about who have they played, but what about other elite NFL QB’s.
Big Ben: Played for Miami(O) Notre Dames least opponent was better then his best
Phillip Rivers: North Carolina State: I mean really? He was playing in that conference at the height of it’s ineptitude when Florida State was down and Va Tech, Boston College etc…. hadn’t even joined the conference Oh his record at NC State was 33-23
Tom Brady: Did he even start a game at Michigan over Drew Henson? LMAO
Drew Brees: His Purdue teams went a combined 43-18, not too good huh?
Donovan Mcnabb: Record at Syracuse: 32-17. Great huh?
Oh and the best Joe Montana’s record at Notre Dame was 27-3 at Notre Dame, which means what? After all he was a 3rd round pick right?
The entire point of this is that it really doesn’t matter who you have played or your W-L record, in college it is all about the entire team and even the best QB cant make a winner out of 21 other scrubs
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 18, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
IF
We want a SS, we grab Mays
FS we grab Berry
Since I think Goldson can show us something at FS I think we go with Mays to replace Lewis and Roman. I mean really SS is now another BIG need with Lewis’ 3rd concussion.
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