49ers OC Jimmy Raye and mixing up the rushing attack
This is a pretty simple topic, but I'm just looking for something to generate some basic conversation at this point. After the jump I've posted Jimmy Raye and Greg Manusky's press conferences following yesterday's walk-thru. My questions deals specifically with Jimmy Raye. He spoke about utilizing utilizing four receivers at once (or the lack there of in his offense):
On whether he doesn’t believe in using four receivers:
"I don’t know if it’s a matter of not believing in it. I think what it does at this point, for us, it would stress us tremendously to have double open edges and four wide receivers and no threat to run the ball and put that kind of pass rush burden on our offensive line and on the quarterback. I think we would be entering into foreign territory at a point where we don’t need to. Now if it’s for some cosmetic purpose, to make somebody feel better, we could go spread out everybody and throw it all over the lot, but that’s not what we do. We have the ability to do that if for some reason, injury or a situation dictated that, we have that package. We have OT-1 as we refer to it and we have the four-wide package, but until such time as our development continues and we feel that is something vital to us, we’ll continue on the line we’re on."
I understand the points he's trying to make about the offense, but it still seems a bit odd to basically write-off any 4 receiver formation. Can't you utilize 4 receivers in a running back draw, or even a traditional running back dive play? I know Madden and the NCAA games for Playstation are not completely realistic. Even still I love running the 4-receiver rushing plays. You spread out the defense and open up holes for your running back. Should Jimmy Raye be taking some lessons from Madden?
Offensive Coordinator Jimmy Raye
Post- Walk-Thru – October 1, 2009
On how he feels about putting his offense in the hands of RB Glen Coffee:
"I don’t think I’m putting it in the hands of Glen Coffee, but I think Glen is a good, young player. I think he’ll do his part, and I think he’ll play well. I don’t see this as a Glen Coffee-ism at all. He’s a part of the structure of what we do, and I think he’s prepared to handle that this coming Sunday."
On whether there will be more emphasis on wide receivers this Sunday:
"It’s a defense that dictates that. It won’t have anything to do with Glen Coffee because Glen Coffee is…What I was getting ready to say before the interruption was it won’t have that much to do with the fact that Glen Coffee is in there. How they intend to defend us will dictate more of how we change than the fact that it’s Coffee in there. We’re not going to run away from what our staple is because we have a change in that position. Basically, in this business, if you’re on the team, you’re one snap away from being a starter. Hopefully, from what we’ve seen of him, he will play, and if they do something to dictate that we change, or need to change, strategies, that would be more in line with why we would change, as opposed to the fact that it’s Coffee and not [RB Frank] Gore."
On the perception that when teams stack the box to stop the run dictates the use of the pass:
"I think it’s a matter of visual interpretation. Because they stack the box, so to speak, or have eight men in the box, we have an ability to add on and block the eight element if we so desire. And, if we choose to run the ball into that, the perception that you’ve got to throw it because there are eight people in the box would be, in my opinion, disingenuous to the philosophy that we have and the way we play. And now, you increase the time of possession for the other team, you keep the defense on the field longer. If you can do that, if you can make that decision, you better throw it and catch it at about a 70- or 80-percent rate. Otherwise, you’re going to keep the clock running for the other team’s offense and put your defense in a position where they defend more snaps. At this point, I don’t think that’s what we want to do."
On whether QB Shaun Hill’s high completion percentage in the fourth quarter makes him feel more comfortable to utilize him in four-minute situations:
"No. What you’re listing is this, is that he has been able to do that because we’ve run the ball against eight-man fronts. That’s the reason that his completion percentage is what it is. If we want to change and go 360 degrees away from that, then we’re entering into an arena that I don’t think at this point we want to be in. The ability that he’s had to complete 60 or 70 percent of his passes in the fourth quarter is because of our ‘stick to it-ness’ in terms of running the football. We will take advantage of the opportunities that the defense presents us within the realm and scope of what it is as the game unfolds."
On whether the evolution of this offense is similar to the evolution of the offense that he ran in Kansas City 10 years ago:
"As similar as they are, they are a lot of dissimilarities. We were referred to there as ‘Marty Ball.’ The difference is that the core group of players in Kansas City, the offensive line had three Pro Bowl players on it and a Hall of Fame running back in Marcus Allen and a Hall of Fame tight end in Tony Gonzalez. As similar as they are, the transition and the evolution is different. The quarterback was a more stable and veteran player and had played and started a lot more NFL games than the quarterback we’re playing with now. As we evolve, we’re not trying to be the 1999 Kansas City Chiefs. We’re trying to be the 2009 San Francisco 49ers. As our personnel dictates what we do and how we do and gives us the best chance to win, that’s the evolution I’m most interested in now."
On whether he believes QB Shaun Hill cannot be successful completing a high percentage of passes unless the defense believes the 49ers will run the ball:
"No, I didn’t say that. I don’t think I ever said that at all. I said, philosophically, the way we play allows him to be successful completing the ball at a high percentage because we’ve been able to run the ball and account for the eighth element in the box and continue to run the ball. I think that’s what I said."
On TE Vernon Davis’ maturation and progression:
"First of all, I think it would be disingenuous for me to comment on something that I wasn’t a part of or wasn’t around. I don’t know anything about that. But, what he had displayed to me since I came in here in February is a guy who’s willing to work and who wanted to get better as a player – demonstrated that through his work ethic in the weight room, the training room and the offseason and was rewarded for that change, if you will, being voted captain by his teammates. I can’t get into the other part of it, but what he has displayed to me is the kind of developing maturity that a young player needs going forward to be successful in this league. That’s what I’ve seen out of him. Going forward, I would think that would continue."
On what variables he will consider in which wide receivers will be active:
"What variables?"
On what he will be looking for on the practice field:
"No. 1, the number of reps they get and how they handle the implementation of the game plan, in terms of the mental aspect of it. And, as we go forward, because we have a little bit of a void at the running spot, then that will factor into it. There are some things we’ll look for. The common denominator is how they work this week and how they learn the game plan and what situations we think they would be of some use to us."
On WR Isaac Bruce’s play this season:
"I’ve been happy and pleased and pleasantly surprised because I didn’t really know what to expect because I hadn’t seen that much of him. He’s a different player on game day. He knows how to play. He can make plays, and he’s provided the up-the-field plays for us that surprisingly have come from him. I wouldn’t have – I was hoping for that, but I wasn’t sure that would happen going in based on what I had seen or not seen up until this point."
On whether he expected someone at WR Isaac Bruce’s age to be able to do that much:
"I don’t think age has anything to do with it. I think the fact that over his career, the little bit that I know about watching him play, he has been somewhere between 14-16 yard average completion guy in his career. He had a plus-50 yard play over in Arizona, he had a plus-30 yard play the other night in Minnesota. He has made plays up the field that he has done, by the design of what we were trying to do and going into it, I just didn’t have enough information. I’ve had a feeling he could do that because he’s such a good player, but I’ve had no evidence to substantiate that."
On TE Vernon Davis’s good start and why he thinks TE Delanie Walker hasn’t been able to contribute as much in this offense:
"I think you are accurate that Vernon has gotten off to a good start and that position is far different than the position that Delanie plays, which is the F position. Though they both have the title of tight end, they both don’t play the tight end position. One is more of an H-Back or an F-Back and the other is an in-line tight end player, which is what Vernon is. So Delanie’s snaps are determined, basically by the personnel groups that we use and we’ve been more 21 personnel which is two backs, two wide receivers and a tight end, than we have been in the other personnel groups which leaves one back in the game and two tight ends and two wide receivers. So it’s a combination of personnel and it’s a combination of what we do in the game, in terms of what we think is best to win."
On how he would evaluate FB Moran Norris’s performance so far:
"He’s been very good. He is the one guy, and there are some others, but he is the one guy that we can count on, that I can count on and the team can count on to bring physicality to the game. He will run into people and hit them hard and aside from the fact that he has been a tempo-setter for us in terms of the physicality, he has made a couple plays in the passing game for us and he has one rush. I think he averages 15 or 16 yards a carry on one rush. He made a play coming out of the back of the end zone a couple of weeks ago against Seattle on a pass play. He made a play at Minnesota on a pass play. So those are bonuses for us with the other things that he does."
On whether he doesn’t believe in using four receivers:
"I don’t know if it’s a matter of not believing in it. I think what it does at this point, for us, it would stress us tremendously to have double open edges and four wide receivers and no threat to run the ball and put that kind of pass rush burden on our offensive line and on the quarterback. I think we would be entering into foreign territory at a point where we don’t need to. Now if it’s for some cosmetic purpose, to make somebody feel better, we could go spread out everybody and throw it all over the lot, but that’s not what we do. We have the ability to do that if for some reason, injury or a situation dictated that, we have that package. We have OT-1 as we refer to it and we have the four-wide package, but until such time as our development continues and we feel that is something vital to us, we’ll continue on the line we’re on."
Defensive Coordinator Greg Manusky
Post-Walk-Thru – October 1, 2009
San Francisco 49ers
On whether he will change his preparation based upon who will quarterback the Rams:
"I think you might prepare a little bit different based upon the quarterback you see from week to week. [QB Kyle] Boller is a good quarterback. He has played in this league a decent amount of years. You have to go back and watch the tape from when he performed in the preseason and judge him even when he played back there in Baltimore. Week to week, it is always different on different quarterbacks you play. So yeah, I think you do."
On whether uncertainty about the opponent’s quarterback creates more work for him:
"I think you go in there with your plan. You set the plan and then you have to adjust if certain situations arise in regards to another quarterback going in there and playing. I think you have to do that for any particular players out there, running back, wide receiver or whoever it might be. You have to adjust it from week to week and from first half to second half. You have to adjust it each and every week."
On who will match up against Rams T Jason Smith:
"A majority of the time, it will probably be [LB] Manny [Lawson]. A little bit of the time it will be [LB] Parys [Haralson]. We will get those guys in and [LB] Ahmad Brooks as well. We will try to get as much pressure on that side as well as the other side as well."
On whether Brooks’ performance last week has earned him more playing time:
"Sure. He was kind of hurt and banged up in the beginning of the year, but he seems to be healthy now with his knee. We are excited about him. The more pass rushers you have, the better off you are going to be, and that is what I’m excited about."
On the Rams offense:
"Spags [Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo] is trying to put it together. Over the years, he was with the Giants. They are working hard. It is the first year for them, and I think they are just trying to get their feet underneath them and do the West Coast offense like they know it. We are going to go in there and try to defend them."
On Rams RB Steven Jackson:
"He is a big plus. He is a good runner in this league. He has been for a couple of years now. It is the same thing like our offense, we focus it around [RB] Frank Gore and I think they do the same thing with Steven Jackson."
On whether the Rams run a true West Coast offense:
"I think they are. They are a West Coast offense. That is what I have seen on film."
On Boller’s ability to make the downfield pass:
"Across the board, I think any downfield passing game is highly important. You always want them to hit the check downs and things of that nature during the game. We always have our safeties back there and we always prepare for that deep ball because he can throw it. We have to take everything underneath that we have, and take that away as well."
On the force out rule in the NFL:
"That is the rule now and that is the way they turned it over this past year. If you force a guy out, we had an opportunity to force him out. [Vikings QB] Brett [Favre] made a hell of a play. The other kid made a heck of a catch. We will just move forward and move on."
On whether he instructs his players to play the man instead of the ball near the sidelines:
"It depends. I think from play to play, if you have the chance and ability to pick the ball off you would like to do that. At other times, if you have a chance to drive them out of bounds, I think that would be a good play too. So it is back and forth depending upon the play. When you see it during training camp, OTAs and preseason, and even during the regular season, you talk about those points."
On who was supposed to guard Vikings WR Greg Lewis on his touchdown reception:
"I think it was just the whole defense. We have to make sure we get pressure on the quarterback and get him down and not have the guy run back there like he did. Any blame that is going to be put on is from a team aspect and even from myself. We have to do a better job of it."
On what the defense could have done differently on the Vikings late touchdown:
"Sack Brett. That would have been better, make him fumble or something. It is a situation where Brett made a heck of a throw. The kid made a heck of a catch on the back side of the end zone. We are moving forward. We are moving on. We have a divisional opponent this week and we are looking forward to it."
On what he can learn from the Vikings late touchdown:
"You just have to try to get better. If that means a better call, or better something else, we try to do that."
On limiting big plays:
"The big thing is we don’t want any explosives. Over 25 yards, I think that is an explosive play. We are trying to limit them as much as we can from week to week."
On the defense’s ability to take away big passes so far this season:
"We have done okay."
On combating the opponent’s speed underneath:
"I think every week we focus on not giving up any deep balls then letting them hit the check downs. That is what you want to do as a defensive unit. You want to give them limited ability to hit the deep balls. We have kind of limited some teams to it, and sometimes we haven’t. We are just going to try to keep playing better."
On the defense’s play last week:
"We played hard, physical up front. There were a lot of great performances by a decent amount of players up front, the secondary as well as the linebackers. We had some chances to put our hands on some balls. We have to make those plays when they come to us. That is what we have to do."
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Oh No!
Our offence is in this guy’s hands. Beter go to church before the game.
by japanesezero on Oct 2, 2009 9:15 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Great stuff Fooch
First just wanted to say how great this blog is becoming. It’s now the first place I go for Niner news. Keep it up!
Raye sounds eerily like Bruce Bochy, stuck in his ways and a bit reticent to take responsibility. The whole quote about his ‘99 Chiefs team seems like a veiled excuse, “oh we had 3 Pro Bowlers”, “stable QB”, blahblahblah…
Unless the running game can’t be stopped Sunday, I really hope Raye opens it up a bit. It’s as good a match up as any to start trying some new things.
I agree
After I check my e-mails each morning, I go right to niner nation.
This is the perfect time to open up the play calling. Get the receivers in the game. Use a lot of short passes and a few long passes to open up the running game. I am fine with trying to run the ball, but when the defense is keying up on the run on every play. We need to counter act with play action pass, short routes, and screens. A short pass can and will eat up the clock more because it should lead to more first downs. WAKE UP RAYE!!!
Seattle Game
Both 80 yard runs were against 8 man fronts. If you get six yards down field, there is only one guy to beat. I’ll take Gore and even Coffee one-on-one a few times a game with a free safety. When you have Joe Montana/Steve Young & Jerry Rice you set up the run with the pass. When you have Frank Gore & Hill, you set up the run with the run.
Tinman
Seattle Game
During the Seattle game, the run worked. If it works then don’t change it. During the Vikings game it wasn’t working. That is when we need to try something new. Our passing game lacks the play action, screens, and dump off passes. When the other team is stacking the line and we can’t get to the secodary, then lets try something other than a run. Week one the long ball worked. Week two it was the run. Week three the run didn’t work and we kept trying it. All I am saying is lets mix it up a little and have more to our game plan than run.
+1 on that...
It is said that one definition of insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect a deferent result. Need to mix it up and open it up but not so much that the O-line has to much to think about. Just block baby…
It was a great defense!
The Niners scored 24 points against a team whose entire (basically) defensive line is All Pro caliber. I know one TD was special teams but still it was a great result given the defense we are talking about especially since Gore was out. There was also only one turnover from what I can remember.
Hill wins games which is great but he is not and never will be a passing QB in the NFL. With a defensive line like the Vikings I highly doubt passing would have been effective plus turnovers would have been more likely.
If they are running the exact same plays in two years I would agree with you guys but the offensive game plan for now is solid. It’s all about Willis and the defense right now and making it to the playoffs.
Tinman
You are correct
But I wonder if what is hurting Raye is that even great run teams often struggle early with the run. They tend to find a rhythm, wear a defense down and run much better in the second half, much like a great pitcher whose ERQ is very hihg in teh first inning but consistently goes seven or eight innings and gets stronger as the game wears on.
He has to note the difference between the run starting slow and sticking with it versus a team committing nine men to stopping the run thus leaving our passing game as the better option.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
You don't think
The comment about 3 Pro Bowlers on the O-line was fair? If a team has that good of an O-line why wouldn’t they pound the ball down people’s throats and feel more comfortable with deep passes.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
That's my whole point...
If you have a good O-Line, you can do “Marty Ball” successfully.
But we don’t, which Raye himself admits…yet he is still following the practically the exact same offensive philosophy. It doesn’t add up.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Oct 3, 2009 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I get you now
But, since we don’t have a top o-line we also are not equipped to be a pass first offense. The line is supposed to have its strength in run blocking so that would be one reason to lean toward the run game. Having said that, we gotta do something to get the eight and nine men out of the box.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
3 Pro Bowlers is not an excuse
It’s reality. Those Chiefs had a great offensive line. The 49ers have a bad offensive line.
Unfortunately the guy we decided not to draft is crushing it in Baltimore. Mc Boo Foo was right about Willis, but it looks like Singletary was right about Oher. Look at the bright side, either we get to use Crabtree next year or we turned our #10 pick into 2010 2nd round pick.
Again
Same point I made above. He says that in order to be truly successful with Marty Ball, you have to have a good offensive line. He then says that this is the 2009 Niners, not the 1999 Chiefs, even though to this point in the season we haven’t really seen anything that would resemble even the slightest bit of ingenuity in the offense.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Oct 3, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions
+1 on Oher
Hindsight is a beeyatch, but man would he be nice to have.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Oct 3, 2009 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Learn from Video Games?
Sorry Fooch, love the blog but Raye knows what he’s doing. I was pissed that the niners didn’t try to throw for a first down on their last possession against the Vikings but overall he is smart to design the offense around the personnel. You can’t just blindly force players into a system that they can’t run properly (aka Mike Martz).
The Niners don’t have the quarterback or open-field playmakers to run 4 wide receiver sets repeatedly in an effective way. When Nate Davis is starting in the next couple years and (hopefully) Crabtree slashing across the middle it may be different story. For now it’s tight sets, running hard, mistake free offense that is the key. The defense is where the Niners win games now.
Tinman
video games
The video game question was kind of being a bit of a joke. At the same time, I’m not saying running 4 receiver sets all the time. But why not once in a great while mix it in? And also I’m not saying pass from it. Going 4 receivers would force the defense to adjust in terms of adding DBs, potentially giving your running back an advantage.
by David Fucillo on Oct 2, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
The more we mix it up, the more defenses will have to prepare for. If they only have 50 plays they actually run and have 100 in the playbook, then there’s 50 plays that arent being used and 50 less a team has to game plan for. It’s almost like Raye is saying we don’t have the guys to do that. I beleive we do. You could even throw Vernon in on a 4 WR set (he’s definitely fast enough); then mix it up with the rest of ’em (Morgan, Jones, Battle, Hill, Spurlock, et.).
Anyway, I feel the more sets you have as an offense, the more a defense has to prepare for.
Different Philosophy
I’d rather they run 20 plays effectively than run 100 plays in a mediocre way.
Tinman
If you’re only running 20 plays, a defense is gonna be in the backfield every play knowing what they are. So how is that effective? Eventually teams are going to catch on if we’re not mixing it up a little. Seems like very week when we bring something new out, it works. For instance, the pitch plays were working well against the Seahawks. We didn’t run that week 1. All I am trying to say is that if you mix it up, it makes it more difficult to game plan against
ehh
Logically you are right and it makes sense. I just think that there is sometimes a tendency to over-think the situation. Winning the game-plan battle is overrated to me. I say build an offense over time based on perfect execution (adding a few good plays every week, like you pointed out). The offense will get better and more complex over time.
The Niners are doing well and building something. They almost beat one of the best teams in the league. Basically the whole Vikings D-Line are all-pro calliber and whether you pass or run it’s going to be tough to do well against them.
The offensive game plan wouldn’t beat the Vikings every week, but it can (and probably will) get us into the playoffs this year. That was just pipe dream a few years ago, it’s all good people!
Tinman
by Tinman17 on Oct 2, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could Work
I just don’t think it would trick the defense, if I was the defensive coordinator I would just send a run blitz every time the Niners came out with four receivers. Everybody knows that they are either running or throwing ball 10 yards or fewer.
… Didn’t mean to offend. I was just pulling my hair out last year and I’m glad to see that the niners are now playing to their strengths on offense.
Tinman
playing to strengths
As Drew said, you can mix in a quick pass.
I think you can play to your strengths with most any formation. If the team used 4 receivers every single offensive series and was also using that formation to go deep or run flea-flickers or whatever, that would certainly be playing away from strengths. But if you’re using quick passes, or you’re rushing from it, I think you can still play to your strengths. In fact, we have good run blocking tight ends and receivers so I think it could work really well. You have Vernon Davis and Josh Morgan out there and maybe you can break off a nice run here or there.
by David Fucillo on Oct 2, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t a quick pass playing into the defenses hands? I’m sure they would rather see the 49ers try to pass for 5 yards than run for 5 yards.
quick pass play
not necessarily…especially if the pass came off an audible. Or if it went for a touchdown or big gain because some one broke loose from a one-on-one matchup on the outside. Vernon Davis could toss a little DB right out of the way. If you lined up 3 on one side with Vernon outside by himself, wouldn’t that create a problem. There are a ton of different scenarios that could create problems for opposing defenses
Come on, what are the odds of the 49ers catching a defense covering VD with a CB? Not to mention half our passing offense is already quick passes because we cannot block a defense longer than 1 1/2 seconds.
I’m trying to say you scheme, scheme and scheme but it really comes down to is the players executing whatever is called. So far whenever Raye has called a cute play more often than not the offense has screwed it up.
If he (Vernon) is spread out to one side by himself?
If you get a LB out there covering him, that LB is getting burnt.
So far whenever Raye has called a cute play more often than not the offense has screwed it up.
Do you have an example (besides the taser cause its oficially scrapped)?
I don’t think spreading things out is getting “cute”. How many teams do that? I’ll tell ya…31 out of the 32 teams in the NFL
Look its a simple truth that teams that mix things up are more successful. If you don’t think outside the box, then you give teams an opportunity to keep you in that box (metaphorically)
Just watch the box, it will give you the answer. The offensive line cannot block anyone long enough to spread the field out. If not for our good RBs pass protection Shaun Hill might still be looking for his 1st completion of the season.
Our offensive line is giving up plays to the defensive tackles and defensive ends, spreading the formation out isn’t going to stop those guys.
VD is typically covered by a linebacker with the safety over the top. It looked that way the entire Viking game.
pass plays
Pass plays. As Drew stated above (once again beating me to the punch!), I think there are some ways in which that play has much more upside, when used once in a while. I think my general point remains mixing things up, but not doing this all the time. It’s kind of like why the teams will continue using the wildcat style formations, or running fake reverses or whatever: it’s about making the team think it’s an option, even if it almost never is.
by David Fucillo on Oct 2, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Raye is at least logical here
except it is not clear that the Niners CAN run the ball against 8 man fronts (two 80 yard scores not withstanding). I mean, they DO run against 8-man fronts, but they have been largely unsuccessful.
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the issue is not that they cannot run the ball with 4 wides and 1 back… it’s that the 5 man OL cannot block. That’s why they have to have FB+TE end most of the time.
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Gore can block well
and they can always audibled to a pass. It would force them to take guys out of the box and I like Gores chances to run the ball when it is stacked, so when it isn’t…it’s kind of a mismatch
J Reye needs to think out side the :"box"
If you look at what he says in response to the 8 men in a box defense he is not very imaginative. He says he can bring in additional blockers to "counter the 8 in a box defense, however if you do the math 8 defenders+ 8 or 9 offensive guys blocking the defenders = 16 or 17 bodies up front, My question is how can you expect any RB to find a hole to run through with all those bodies up front.. If we want to run in that scenario rather than pass then we need to be able to bounce to the outside for 10+ yards. If we can do that successfully then the D spreads out and opens up the middle, or perhaps a deeper passing game.. .
Ban Subway Forever!!!
Subway is supporting Crabtree during his holdout..He has received over $250,000 from them..
Ban freakin Subway!!!!
Write Subway a Letter
They do read these things. Yet, it’s better to be just honest and concise instead of bantering and throwing out outrageous threats cause they know you are just being an {site decorum}. I simple sorry I cannot support your stores because I am a 49ers fan would be most effective.
I'm gonna let Crabtree..
Affect where I eat? Isn’t that like “then the terrorists win”?
Jeebus, he’s just a football player. I don’t eat at Subway because it sucks. But Crabtree or 49er fans won’t stop me from doing it if I choose.
I guess I should throw out the Lay’s potato chips in my cupboard since they sell those @ Subway too.
Well, we're waiting....
Didn't we hand it off to Vernon last year?...
I would love for Raye to give a big F YOU to the media, run a 5-wide set (Bruce, Morgan, Battle, Jones, and Vernon), send Vernon in motion to lineup behind the QB, and then hand it off.
The defense would probably soil itself (even if it somehow stopped the play), and Raye could where a [expletive]-eating grin next week when he talks to the media.
Is Jimmy Raye really this stupid?
it would stress us tremendously to have double open edges and four wide receivers and no threat to run the ball
It’s not impossible to run out of a 4WR set. Realistically, it’s not even that hard. In many situations, it becomes a simple numbers game; when you split guys out wide, then they have to be accounted for by the defense – so putting receivers out wide also keeps defenders out of the box. If your front 5 really can’t get backs into the second level against 4 down linemen, then the problem is not the formation.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.

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