Shaun Hill Approval Rating

But Tebow has Jesus on his side. And most announcers

I didn’t cherry pick anything… I backed up my argument. That Roth throws a truck load of picks…. and more THIS SEASON than Ben. You asked for it, and I served it up on a silver platter for ya.

And I don’t even know what the hell a GeoMak is…so sorry, lost on that one

How is that cherry picking stats? Touchdowns to Interceptions is a ratio. And I’m pretty sure they’ve played the same number of games this season

I don’t believe in the “just win” approach at all. But it’s not like Shaun Hill is sucking it up and the Niners are winning despite him. Nor are they winning because of him. The team is winning with him. I think he’s done just fine, and that’s fine with me at this point.

I listen to people who are reasonable and can actually formulate thier own substantial opinions abou things agree with me.

Fixed.

I made my point, and then noted out the flaws in your retorts: the likelihood that no one is open and that Isaac Bruce isn’t getting free like he should because he’s lost a step since his prime.

No one is saying that Shaun Hill is Joe Montana. Well…I mean, you kind of alluded to it, but as far as expectations go, no one is actually saying that.

But I think Morgan is open a lot and Hill doesn’t throw him the ball.

just that it’s usually not pretty when it does.

Young receivers drop balls.

Guys who don’t get a lot of good balls thrown their way drop a higher percentage of ’em than guys who do.

Morgan should have caught it. NFL receivers drop balls that they should catch every single game. Jerry Rice had a ton of drops his rookie year, and yes, Morgan’s a second year player, but he was hurt most of last year.

That includes Hill, who was efficient but spectacularly unambitious.

Remember that our offense only scored 14 points. Against a really, really bad team like the Rams, a good offense should score more than that.

Honestly, it’s hard to say how much of it is Hill’s abilities, and how much is Raye’s conservatism, or how much of it is a mix (if Raye that conservative because of who he has throwing passes?).

want to mess up the team chemistry…especially with a guy like Trent Edwards. Have you seen him play at all this season? He looks horrible…

I say stick with a guy who is familiar with the franchise, has the teams respect, team chemistry…the last thing we need is another “QB competition”. Draft a guy in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round and let him and Davis battle it out in a “QB competition” for the next couple to few years. That would be the best scenario if you ask me… but of course I know you arent

No one wants to draft a questionable rookie and throw him into the fire

So we’re supposed to go out and get a better QB from free agency? If a QB looks to be BPA, great. If not, look elsewhere. Hill is a quality player, not great, but he clearly belongs in the NFL.

It would be wise, then, to plan for the near future by getting someone who will be the best possible option when that time comes.

If you have the ability to find somebody who will be better than Shaun Hill in 2-3 years, I think Oakland, Kansas City, Denver, Tampa, and any number of other teams would like a word with you. Fact is, finding a good NFL QB is not as simple as “Hey, that guy looks like he’ll be good in a few years.” It often doesn’t work out (See: Leaf, Ryan; Russel, Jamarcus; Leftwich, Byron; etc.).

We should draft a few QBs in the later rounds and see if any of them are any good. Hill is certainly good enough for now and for the next few years, ultimately, he’ll get old and he’s not the best QB in the league in the first place, but he wins, which is more than I can say for the beloved (and highly paid) Brady Quinn, Matt Lienart, or Vince Young.

David Carr is on the phone. He wants to have a word with you.

He looks bad too. See the Jets game. This is not rocket science.

But statistically there are massive differences there, not only in terms of era, but also system, personnel and age. Some of these can be accounted for well, and some of them not so well, and some of the not at all (currently). Some points favor Hill, sure, but I’d be very willing to bet that most of them favor Montana fairly dramatically.

And, sadly, I don’t have that link for QB rating. I read an article about it that I thought I read online, but now I don’t think I read it online at all because I can’t find it.

By comparing stats across eras, you are, essentially, inflating Hill’s stats … or deflating Joe’s.

When Joe was in his second and third year, a QB rating in the 80s was considered excellent. A low-60% completion percentage was excellent. You could lead the league – as Joe did – below 65% completion percentage.

In today’s NFL, those numbers are not good. The rules have been changed several times to favor the passing game.

You are directly comparing the two sets of numbers without the slightest attempt to put them in the context of their eras. The raw numbers may be similar, but what they mean is DRASTICALLY different.

Nobody here thinks you’re saying that Hill will be as good as Montana.

However, what you are saying is that you think Hill, at this point in his career, is just as good as Montana was in his first few seasons.

That is simply false.

Okay, and last year was NOT Shaun Hill’s second season. Let’s see… Shaun Hill… wow, he didn’t throw a single pass in his second season.

Point: Montana.

Okay, so then you do want to involve DVOA? Because that’s the closest you’re going to get right now to individualizing these numbers. You can talk Dwight Clark versus Isaac Bruce all you want, but without some way to normalize performance within a defined standard (which is what DVOA attempts to do), it’s all going to be pretty much baloney.

Take Freddie Solomon. Was he a good WR? Or was he an average player who happened to be playing with one of the best QBs of all time?

Well, before he was on the Niners, he put up pretty mediocre stats. He only had three years in his entire career when he had more than 40 catches. In a few years, once Walsh had run a few more drafts, he was the 4th or 5th option on the team.

The 49er offensive line in 1980 wasn’t anything special. In fact, the Niners in those first years – before defenses started adapting to the west coast offense – were often full of cast-offs from other teams.

Joe had more time to throw? No, you’re wrong. He consistently had very little time to throw. He threw more three-step drops than any other QB in the league. It was all tight timing patterns. The notion that Joe had a lot of time to throw the ball is just wrong – the Dolphins under Marino were giving him 5 and 7 step drops and letting him check through his patterns – the Niners weren’t. Joe was making his reads pre-snap and throwing to where he expected the receivers to be. That was the whole point of the WCO !

You weren’t actually watching much football in 1980, were you?

He’s not Deion Sanders… Hill is not Romo. The Niners are winning, which is more than you can say for the last 10 years, and, though he may not be in the MVP discussion, Hill is far, far, far more capable than any QB we’ve thrown out there in that time.

I like what Hill’s doing. He’s not taking risks unless he has to. I don’t know DVOA that well, but it seems like it punishes a QB for taking a check down on 3rd and long for not completing a first down. But I know this Niners team (i.e. the O line doesn’t protect well and the receivers aren’t that good to begin with), and expecting a 3rd & long conversion when the defense knows it is a tall task. A QB rushing a long throw leads to interceptions. He’s protecting the ball, plain and simple. Furthermore, when he’s needed to (against the Cards and Vikes) he’s lead long drives for TDs in the 4th quarter.

All good things, and he’s been consistent, no stinkers (yet, knock on wood).