Football Outsiders and the 49ers: Player Stats through Week 5
Welcome back for another look at Niner player statistics and rankings as published by Football Outsiders (FO). As the title of this post indicates, I'll be presenting 49er player stats and rankings through Week 5. So nothing you saw yesterday (or the day before) is included in anything I talk about in this post. I think that's the cleanest way to proceed given that the 49ers' aggregate (i.e., non-per-play) stats will otherwise have been disadvantaged by their bye week. If you're unfamiliar with FO's player stats (i.e., DYAR, individual DVOA, and EYds) and line stats (i.e., ALY and ASR), or if you need a refresher course, take a look at my explanations here.
This week, QBs need a total of at least 50 passes to qualify as having valid FO stats, RBs need at least 40 carries, WRs need at least 20 targets, and TEs need at least 10 targets. Therefore, the players I'll be breaking down this week are Shaun Hill, Glen Coffee, Isaac Bruce, Josh Morgan, and Vernon Davis. I'll also, of course, be presenting FO stats for the OL, the DEF front 7, and the secondary.
Just a word of warning. This is going to be ugly. Starting with...
QUARTERBACKS
Here are Shaun Hill's stats through 5 games (bold = ranked 8th or better [top 25% of starters]; italics = ranked 25th or worse [bottom 25% of starters]):
|
DYAR |
Rank |
DVOA |
Rank |
Rank |
EYds Per Pass |
Rank |
|
-78 |
33 |
-19.4% |
30 |
29 |
4.04 |
31 |
|
YAR |
Rank |
VOA |
Rank |
Rank |
Yds Per Pass |
Rank |
|
-50 |
28 |
-16.4% |
27 |
27 |
5.05 |
27 |
What a difference a week makes. Compared to his stats prior to the Falcons game, Hill's DYAR and YAR both decreased by about 100 yards, his DVOA and VOA both decreased by about 12.5%, and his EYds Per Pass decreased by nearly a full yard. Essentially, what happened here is similar to what I discussed in the team rankings post. Hill's stats took a major hit due to his poor performance while getting blown out during the 2nd half last week. He couldn't play efficient QB even when ATL didn't care if he was successful or not. If you're a QB, and you can't matriculate the ball down the field while getting blown out, then you're probably not a good QB. Hill's stats reflect that reality, especially with respect to the situational efficiency stats, DVOA and EYds Per Pass.
Bottom line here is that, whether in terms of value or efficiency, Hill is one of the worst 5 QBs in the NFL so far this season. Somewhere, Mike Martz is laughing.
After the jump, I'll present and discuss the rest of the stats, and offer my two cents about the recent news regarding Josh Morgan's demotion. Be prepared to shield your eyes. This could get ugly...
RUNNING BACKS
With Frank Gore's 39 carries now failing to qualify him for the rankings, Coffee is the only 49er RB to make the charts this week. I kind of wish he didn't. Here's why (bold = ranked 8th or better; italics = ranked 25th or worse):
|
DYAR |
Rank |
DVOA |
Rank |
EYds Per Run |
Rank |
|
-111 |
37 |
-49.0% |
38 |
0.79 |
38 |
|
YAR |
Rank |
VOA |
Rank |
Yds Per Run |
Rank |
|
-92 |
36 |
-41.8% |
37 |
2.58 |
37 |
There's barely a nickel's worth of difference here when compared to last week. Coffee is still the worst-rated RB according to DVOA and EYds Per Run, and is in the bottom 3 of every category displayed in the table. Needless to say, Gore can't come back soon enough.
WIDE RECEIVERS
Here are Bruce's stats (bold = ranked 16th or better; italics = ranked 49th or worse):
|
DYAR |
Rank |
DVOA |
Rank |
EYds Per Target |
Rank |
|
-31 |
66 |
-25.9% |
67 |
4.93 |
65 |
|
YAR |
Rank |
VOA |
Rank |
Yds Per Target |
Rank |
|
-29 |
63 |
-25.2% |
65 |
5.76 |
58 |
Ugh. Bruce's freefall continues; with each passing week, it becomes more and more apparent that he's no longer a starting-caliber NFL WR. After the ATL game, Bruce's stats took an especially big hit in the (in)efficiency department. Specifically, his DVOA decreased by over 10%, dropping him 10 spots in the rankings (i.e., out of the top 64), and his EYds Per Target decreased by over a yard-and-a-half, resulting in a similar rankings descent.
What's also becoming more and more apparent is Morgan solidifying his spot as the 49ers' best WR. Here are his stats through 5 games:
|
DYAR |
Rank |
DVOA |
Rank |
EYds Per Target |
Rank |
|
50 |
29 |
17.2% |
20 |
9.64 |
20 |
|
YAR |
Rank |
VOA |
Rank |
Yds Per Target |
Rank |
|
56 |
28 |
20.3% |
16 |
9.18 |
18 |
While it's true that Morgan's efficiency-based stats were adversely affected by the ATL game, his DYAR basically remains unchanged. And given that last week's stats were based on only 13 targets, it's not altogether surprising there's some volatility in his stats. Nevertheless, I think the important points here are threefold: (1) Morgan had 9 targets vs. ATL, while Bruce only had 4; (2) Morgan is over 40% more efficient than Bruce despite having 7 fewer targets this season; and (3) Morgan is in the top 32 WRs according to all FO stats, while Bruce isn't even in the top 64 for any of them. Taken together, these comparisons suggest that Morgan is emerging as the 49ers' go-to WR.
With that said, isn't it altogether ironic - not to mention, depressing - that the coaching staff has decided Michael Crabtree will take over Morgan's starting WR spot??? Here you have a situation where the 49ers have no downfield passing attack. Every stat points to them being the dinkingest and dunkingest of dink-and-dunk passing OFFs. So the solution - of course - is to keep as a starter the WR who averages about 5 yards per target, and bench the one who averages about twice that. Having Crabtree replace Bruce would provide an instant injection of downfield passing possibilities. Having him replace Morgan essentially keeps the status quo, except with an even less experienced starter opposite Bruce. Newsflash to the powers that be: Bruce owning naked pictures of Mike Martz doesn't count as starting lineup leverage anymore.
OK, that was a bit hyperbolic. From reading Maiocco's blog post, it seems that this will all work itself out in the long run (read: next season). Bruce will be gone, leaving Morgan and Crabs as the starting WRs. I sure hope it works out that way. What I don't buy for one second, however, is that it'd be impossible for the locker room to accept a Bruce demotion. Question: Would it be possible for the locker room to accept another season without making the playoffs? As far as Bruce is limiting the OFF's ability to complete a pass beyond 5 yards, and as far as completing passes beyond 5 yards is important for offensive football, and as far as offensive football is important for winning, and as far as winning is important for making the playoffs, it's likely that keeping Bruce in the starting lineup does more harm than any "preventing locker room mutiny" does good. In other words, if Crabs were to replace Bruce, and the 49ers subsequently won 7 or 8 of their last 11 games, I'm sure the locker room would be saying, "Isaac, who?" in short order.
Somewhere, Mike Martz is doing cartwheels.
TIGHT ENDS
Here are VD's stats (bold = ranked 8th or better; italics = ranked 25th or worse):
|
DYAR |
Rank |
DVOA |
Rank |
EYds Per Target |
Rank |
|
28 |
20 |
4.6% |
23 |
6.69 |
26 |
|
YAR |
Rank |
VOA |
Rank |
Yds Per Target |
Rank |
|
24 |
22 |
3.1% |
26 |
6.72 |
25 |
If the Vikings and Rams games were VD's breakouts, then the Falcons game was his antibacterial ointment. Despite being targeted 12 times in the ATL game, VD dropped 10 spots in the DYAR rankings, is now over 20% less efficient, and saw his EYds decreas by over 2 yards per target. Saying that he and Hill weren't on the same page against ATL would be quite an understatement. If VD's going to continue to be the most-targeted Niner in the passing game, he's going to have to produce more with, and play more efficiently in, his numerous opportunities; especially if he's going to be one half of the Niners' Tainted Twosome. The good news is that his next game will be against the Texans, whose DEF is currently ranked 20th in Yards per TE Target and 16th in DVOA vs. TE.
OFFENSIVE LINE
Here are the 49ers' OL stats through 4 games (bold = ranked 8th or better; italics = ranked 25th or worse):
|
ALY |
Rank |
Power Success Rate |
Rank |
ASR |
Rank |
|
2.86 |
31 |
43% |
30 |
10.7% |
30 |
|
RB YPC |
Rank |
Stuffed Rate |
Rank |
Sack Rate |
Rank |
|
3.90 |
18 |
22% |
23 |
9.9% |
29 |
Move along. There's nothing to see here. The OL still sucks. Until it improves, the Niners' OFF will have a hard time doing anything successfully.
Somewhere, George Warhop is throwing a party.
Here's the OL's directional ALY chart:
These stats and rankings are nearly identical to the ones I presented after Week 4. The biggest difference - and it's quite a peculiar one given how the ATL game went - is that the Niners' OFF ran the ball disproportionately up the middle, increasing their frequency from 67% to 69%. Obviously, this is not a meaningful difference in the grand scheme of things. However, when you consider the team was behind the entire game, it's kind of mind-boggling that they decided to run the ball up the middle even more often than they had been through 4 comparatively competitive games. I'm really starting to believe that there's no coincidence in the fact that the offensive play-calling duties in both 2007 and 2009 were handled by guys named James (no offense, Ninjames).
Somewhere, Jim Hostler is making it rain.
DEFENSIVE FRONT SEVEN
Here are the 49ers' DEF front 7 stats through 4 games:
|
ALY |
Rank |
Power Success Rate |
Rank |
ASR |
Rank |
|
3.38 |
8 |
88% |
31 |
6.3% |
17 |
|
RB YPC |
Rank |
Stuffed Rate |
Rank |
Actual Sack Rate |
Rank |
|
3.68 |
10 |
24% |
8 |
5.6% |
20 |
There are a couple of peculiar things in this table for which I honestly don't have a good explanation. First, despite it appearing that Michael Turner and Jerious Norwood were constantly running through wide-open holes, it turns out that the Niners' front 7 didn't drop out of the top 8 in ALY. To boot, their ranking in Actual RB YPC Allowed didn't drop either, which means that this wasn't a situational thing. Your guess is as good as mine on this one.
What's way more dumbfounding - at least to me - is how the same front 7 can be 1 of the best 8 in the league at stopping runs for 0 or negative yardage (i.e., stuffing the run), yet also be 1 of the worst 8 at stopping runs on 3rd & 1 or 2 (i.e., limiting power-running success). I'm not a football coach, but I'm assuming that both of these situations require the DL to get good penetration at the point of attack. Why would the Niners' front 7 be getting good - no, great - penetration generally, but getting horrible penetration in short-yardage situations specifically? I remember Moose and Goose railing against the Niners' DL being in a standing position on short-yardage plays. Is that all there is to it? Are they telling me that the only adjustment required is to have the DL get in their normal stances? Or does this have more to do with an increase in the number of blockers on 3rd & 1 or 2, which makes it harder for the DL to get penetration? Or is this a defensive play-calling issue? Please advise.
One thing that's not at all peculiar in the table is the change in ASR ranking, which fell from 11th to 17th this week. If you read last week's post, you might remember me saying the following (emphasis mine):
What makes matters worse is that the secondary is unlikely to be getting much help from the pass rush this week given that ATL has the #1 OL in the league when it comes to pass-blocking: they give up less than 1 sack per 30 pass attempts, whether you adjust for situation and opponent or not.
If you're wondering, yes, I'm going to copy and paste that quote every time someone says, "Stats don't matter." How many sacks did ATL's OL give up to the 49ers last game? 0 in 32 attempts - aka they gave up less than 1 sack per 30 pass attempts. Think that had any impact on the Niners' horrible pass DEF during the ATL game? Nah. Stats don't matter.
p.s. HOU, the 49ers' next opponent, is ranked 14th in ASR through 5 games, allowing about 1 sack every 20 pass attempts.
Below is the DEF front 7's directional run-stopping chart:
Similar to what we saw with directional ALYs for the OL, the percentage of up-the-middle runs faced by the DEF front 7 increased after the ATL game. However, unlike the OL's increase, this one actually makes sense. Salting away a 25-point lead tends to involve a ton of clock-eating runs up the middle. See, James, that's how offensive play-calling is supposed to work.
Otherwise, there wasn't a lot of change in this chart when compared to last week's. The Niners still can't stop runs behind tackle. I wonder if any of that is due to this season's increased emphasis on pass rush for the OLBs. Could it be that Manny Lawson and Parys Haralson are taking themselves out of the run DEF by pushing too far up the field? I distinctly remember one Turner TD run that was the direct result of Lawson overcommitting to pass rush on bootleg action, thereby vacating the lane that Turner proceeded to run through untouched.
Two silver linings I should probably point out in this otherwise gloomy tale are that (a) Nate Clements and company actually ascended to the top of the rankings with respect to stopping runs to the defensive outside left, and (b) opposing OFFs still haven't figured out that the 49ers are horrible at stopping runs behind LT.
DEFENSIVE BACKFIELD
Finally, here's the chart showing stats for the secondary against various intended receivers:
Back when I was a pint-sized math nerd (oh, wait, I still am), one of my favorite parts of Sesame Street was when they had 4 kids in 4 boxes on the screen, with 3 of the 4 doing the exact same thing. My job was to answer the question, "Which of these kids is doin' his own thing?" I'm reminded of this when I look at the above table. The Niners' secondary is in the top 8 at defending against #2 WRs, #3 WRs, and TEs. Hell, they've even moved up to 13th (from 27th) when it comes to defending RBs in the passing game. So, which of these kids is doin' his own thing? It's our old friend Nate Clements again.
Not only do #1 WRs perform 20% more efficiently than average when facing Clements, their 11.4 average yards per target is the best in the league. Turning that around, Clements is ranked 32nd (aka dead last) in terms of yards per target allowed. And don't think for one second that Clements is one of those CBs whose "shutdown corner" status results in so few pass attempts to his receiver that one big play (e.g., a 90-yard TD) skews his yards per target allowed. On the contrary, only 9 teams have faced more pass attempts to the #1 WR than the 49ers. So it seems to me that, rather than teams shying away from throwing in Clements' direction, they're throwing in his direction even more because he's, um, not that good. Oh, and if you're wondering if Clements shouldn't get the bulk of the blame because he's not always covering the opponents' #1 WR, take a look at that 90-yard TD by Roddy White. Clements was on the right side of the DEF, not his usual left side, because he was following White wherever he lined up.
Here's an idea. Given that Clements seems to be such a good run-stopper and such a bad pass-defender, along with the fact that Michael Lewis is old and now concussion-prone, perhaps the 49ers should consider moving Clements to SS next season. Obviously, in this mental exercise there's an element of, "there's no way Clements would agree to it." Just for the sake of argument, though, isn't this something Mike Singletary and Greg Manusky should consider?
BOTTOM LINE
OK, so through 5 games, we can draw the following conclusions about several players on the 2009 49ers:
- Hill is one of the worst starting QBs in the league.
- Coffee is one of the worst starting RBs in the league. O Frank, O Frank, wherefore art thou Frank?
- Bruce is one of the worst starting WRs in the league.
- Morgan is emerging as the 49ers' #1 WR...just in time to be benched for a rookie while one of the worst starting WRs in the league remains a starter.
- VD's taken 2 steps forward and 1 step back so far this season.
- The OL is one of the worst in the league.
- The DEF front 7 is good at getting penetration overall, but they're really bad in power-running situations, and their OLBs seem to be focusing too much on their pass rushing responsibilities.
- Clements is one of the worst "shutdown" corners in the league.
How's that for a rosy picture? Can't take any more can you? Well, I have just the remedy. Namely, I won't be doing player or team rankings through Week 6 because the 49ers were on bye. Enjoy your week off from "49ers Player X sucks."
**DVOA, DYAR, EYds, ALY, and ASR statistics used to produce this article were obtained from Football Outsiders.
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This is so damn frustrating.
Bruce has gotten ZERO separation. Its time to sit the old man down. Bruce better have a stellar game, or we need to get someone else out there. I would actually love to see Jason Hill out there in Bruce’s spot. His play last year should be enough to warrant this move.
by goatfather on Oct 20, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Bruce only remains as a token starter
I think they’re putting Crabtree in his best position where he knows the routes.
Morgan has been good at learning routes and he should shift to the other side in the coming weeks. He should become a good #2 receiver.
Bruce should rotate in and get the first snap. He can only play against teams that run a lot of zone coverage.
It’s time to see what Jones and Jason Hill can do as 3rd and 4th receivers.
Battle can fair catch punts… ugh.
by abasketballfan on Oct 20, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point about the downs
I hope this indeed happens. Rotating Hill and Jones would really give us a lot of speed on the edge.
There is just one problem -—- HILL cannot hit a 15 yard out.
by goatfather on Oct 20, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, Clements
The grading metric that MontanaPass posted seemed to lay the blame on our safeties, specifically Goldson, but I definitely point the finger at Clements for being so awful this year when the rest of our corners are playing so well.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/10/19/1091627/grading-nfc-west-+-houston-players
by znk916 on Oct 20, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
I voted for Morgan, but I meant to vote for Bruce.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Bruce is really in there
1) God (Jesus)
2) J Raye old man love
by goatfather on Oct 20, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
…love the idea of moving Clements to SS next season. Very interesting suggestion!
by Bigmouth on Oct 20, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thats a lot of money to pay for a SS
by goatfather on Oct 20, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point but...
…his salary is basically a sunk cost. Might as well play him where he won’t get burned repeatedly on coverage.
by Bigmouth on Oct 20, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bruce
should be sitting out. it could be me but the ol’man has been dropping more than he has been catching which is hurting the team. don’t know if it’s his age or what but so far this season he hasn’t been playing like he did last year. hope he proves me wrong the rest of the year or he should be the one sitting.
go niners!!! airday allday
by calinig4life on Oct 20, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Falcon's and the pass rush explanation
The pass rush and, thusly, the secondary played very well the first four games, but against the Falcons neither showed up.
Cosell: “Well, it’s interesting you say that because the Falcons are probably the only team in the league that aligns with two backs and two tight ends and throws the ball vertically down the field from that personnel package. If you align with two backs and two tight ends, No. 1, you pretty much guarantee protection and you make it difficult to blitz and pressure the quarterback because you essentially can have eight-man protection. When the Falcons are playing well offensively, it’s very difficult to pressure Matt Ryan. The Roddy White 31-yard touchdown came out of two backs and two tight ends. White was the only wide receiver on the field. So much of this league comes down to matchups: who you’re playing against and what that team does.”
Do you think that’s a team the 49ers simply don’t match up against?
Cosell: “Yeah, because they don’t have individual pass rushers who can win. They’re trying to scheme. They were not able to do that against the Falcons.”
by bignerd on Oct 20, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
Basically, the Falcons saw that our weakness was our ability to shut down their #1 wide out, so they left everybody else in to block and let Roddy go to work. Great!
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 20, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might also explain 49ers inability to stop the run in 3rd and short
Usually teams bring in a goal line type package. Have to assume Michael Turner was also running out of that 2 TE, 2 RB set.
by bignerd on Oct 20, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fascinating...
…thanks for the quote.
by Bigmouth on Oct 20, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On normal plays, there's less congestion and our linebackers can go tackle the RB for short yardage
You don’t necessarily have to rely on the DL getting penetration.
When it’s 3rd & short, there’s congestion and your linebackers cannot plug cracks in the line as easily.
My two cents, I’d be very interested to hear any other takes on the matter. Basically, I think our line sucks but our LBs are able to make up for that.
Regardless, if we can’t stop 3rd & short, we can’t stop their #1 wide out, our entire offense sucks donkey balls, except for our #2 wideout who’s OK, then… how, exactly have we won 3 games, almost 4? Oh, we play in the NFC West. Fabulous! Here’s to an early playoff exit after winning the NFC West. Maybe it isn’t too early to do draft projections.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 20, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dose of reality
Losing 45-10 is gonna hurt the statistical performance. Things weren’t quite this dark before last week, and we’ve got Gore & Crabby coming in, who should both be instant upgrades over their replacements (assuming Crabby’s taking some snaps from Bruce and not just from Morgan).
I’m just excited for this week so I have a more recent Niners memory than a 45-10 beat down in which we failed miserably at every phase of the game.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 20, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense
I think this is where our lack of bulk/power up front shows up. Except for Soap, all our guys are right around or under 300. Quickness and penetration get devalued against tighter splits and more congestion.
by znk916 on Oct 21, 2009 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a brave man Danny..
You’re Bottom Line will bring the torch bearers to bring you out and brand the letter “H” on your forehead.
=)
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 20, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
haha...i'm ready for it...
there’s not really much of any other interpretation from the stats. even with all the bad, though, i’m still optimistic because of gore coming back. if i had to think of two things that are crucial for the niners going forward, it’s: (a) gore’s health, and (b) going against teams that aren’t great at pass-blocking. the ATL really exposed (b) as a weakness, and the last 3 games have exposed (a) as a necessity.
by Florida Danny on Oct 20, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for the last option
But I think there should have been another one that didn’t have the caveat “the rest of the season”
by foosball4949 on Oct 20, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not to be a stickler...
but having another option like, “nobody’s. he should stay on the bench until later in the season.” would logically overlap with the bruce and morgan options because, if you think he should have to wait until later in the season to become the starter, then he will be taking either bruce’s or morgan’s spot at some point this season, even if that point should not be right now. the poll question asks which player’s spot crabs should take this season. so if you think he should stay benched for now, but become a starter later this season, then you’d vote for either bruce or morgan because the spot he would be taking later this season must be either of theirs.
by Florida Danny on Oct 20, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The OL accounts for most of poor performances.
The problems on offense all originate with the OL. Neither Coffee nor Gore can run through holes that aren’t there. Hill can’t throw when he’s either sacked, hit, or pressured on 30% of all pass plays. It’s just tough to make anything work when there are defensive linemen in the backfield two seconds after the snap. And if moving Snyder inside and starting Pashos at RT doesn’t improve things, the offense won’t improve either. I still think Baas should be benched and Wragge started at LT. Baas has been just as horrible as Rachal but hasn’t given up as many sacks, hits, or pressures.
In the defensive secondary, Clements has not been nearly as good in coverage as either Spencer or Bly, but he excels at run support and disrupting WRs at the LOS. Matching him up with an opponent’s #1 WR every week might not be such a good idea – maybe splitting the duty with Spencer would be more productive, Spencer is playing very well, but some of that may be because Nate is concentrating on the #1 guy.
M. Lewis has been playing very well in run support but poorly in coverage, but he’s our best Safety right now. Goldson is not making plays and has not been good in coverage while Roman continues his firm grasp on mediocrity. Atogwe will be a FA next year.
As for the Crabtree situation, I’m thinking he’s going to be in the game against Houston mainly as a decoy who will force their defense to double him with a Safety, taking that extra man out of the box. That should free up VD on those seam routes, too.
by MontanaPass on Oct 20, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about
moving Spencer to the #1 CB spot? Yeah Clements won’t be happy, but it makes more sense.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 20, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Spencer and I think he’s a very good corner, but I believe he would be victimized if we did that. While he’s awesome as a #2 corner, I’ve never really thought he could hang with the top receivers in the game.
Still, I’d love to see him do it and succeed.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
But I never expected him to win the #2 job when the season started either.. He seemed to hold his own against Boldin in week 1, and lord knows he might as well be a #1 receiver.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 20, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seemed to hold his own against Boldin in week 1
Boldin was still somewhat injured in Week 1.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 20, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Hill is one of the worst starting QBs in the league.
Told you…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 20, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
would have liked to see Nate Davis throwing some passes to Crabtree during the bye week.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 20, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except... he's not ready to go
Unless by ‘ready’, you mean, ‘running the practice drills’
by bobnothing on Oct 20, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does he need to do?
Its not like our Passing game is dynamic, or even non-vanilla. Hard to believe Davis’ couldn’t handle the load.
Oh and he’s the only guy on the team that can throw a 15 yard out.
by goatfather on Oct 21, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always liked Clements
and I think, last weeks performance aside, that he’s still a pretty good corner. But apparently I’m wrong. Any chance his aggressiveness has something to do with this? He’s a little bit of a do or die player – he tries to jump routes a lot, and most of the time he breaks it up or picks it off, but when he misses he’s gonna get burned. That seems to me like the times he gets burned the most, not just simply getting out-run or because the WR deked him with a good move.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 20, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think...
aggressiveness probably has something to do with it. but, what’s probably the more important point is that opponents’ treat him as if he’s their meal ticket. he gets thrown at constantly. that’s not exactly what you’d expect from a guy who’s considered a shutdown corner, at least by his defensive coaches.
by Florida Danny on Oct 20, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is covering the other teams #1 WR than it’s obvious as to why they are passing the ball his direction.
If the defense is really good at stopping the run it’s obvious as to why teams are passing with more frequency.
by bignerd on Oct 20, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith
Start Alex Smith! He can’t suck any worse. WTF are the Niners paying him for? His boyish good looks? Eye candy? START ALEX SMITH!!!!
by utah pens fan on Oct 20, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
skip Smith
Go right to Davis. I’m sick of Smith’s softball like windup – Just throw the damn ball!
by goatfather on Oct 21, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
14% say they want Crabtree to ride the bench
That’s disturbing.
I wonder how many of those votes are from actual 49er fans.
by 10forTech on Oct 22, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Coffee worst RB in League...what u say?!!
I’d like to say that the OL is the worst in the league needs to be placed above Coffee on the list, with a shitty OL how can you expect a RB to be considered “Great”.
This is how I would classify this list….
1. Hill is one of the worst starting QBs in the league.
2. The OL is one of the worst in the league.
3. Bruce is one of the worst starting WRs in the league.
4. Morgan is emerging as the 49ers’ #1 WR…just in time to be benched for a rookie while one of the worst starting WRs in the league remains a starter.
5. VD’s taken 2 steps forward and 1 step back so far this season.
6. Coffee is one of the worst starting RBs in the league. O Frank, O Frank, wherefore art thou Frank?..without a good OL even Emmit Smith would have been the worst also….
7. The DEF front 7 is good at getting penetration overall, but they’re really bad in power-running situations, and their OLBs seem to be focusing too much on their pass rushing responsibilities.
8. Clements is one of the worst “shutdown” corners in the league.
Geesh, way to stand up for your team, Coffee could be great if your OL wasn’t as shity as it is.
"There's a lot of blood, sweat, and guts between dreams and success." -Coach Bear Bryant
by Tokeisch on Nov 12, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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