49ers QB decision cont'd: Alex Smith and the effect on the rushing game
Our discussion of the Alex Smith QB decision continues to roll along at full throttle. The 49ers do have a game this week, but I have a feeling the discussion about the QB position will not be slowing anytime soon. Accordingly, I thought it would be useful to open up a new thread. I figure that first off, the other thread is up close to 400 comments, making it harder to follow the conversation. Second, I wanted to maybe take a different angle to Mike Singletary and the 49ers decision to start Alex Smith this weekend at Indianapolis. Also, after the jump I've posted the Mike Singletary transcript from today's press conference.
Aside from two great runs against Seattle, Frank Gore and the 49ers rushing attack has left a lot to be desired after a very impressive preseason. If this team is going to be successful and potentially make the playoffs, they have to establish the run game at a greater level than where it currently resides. Will elevating Alex Smith into the starting lineup bring enough to make that happen?
The answer to the question obviously depends on Smith's performance in the passing game. However, his skills would seem to be sufficiently better than Shaun Hill to keep defenses honest. Alex Smith does not have to be a superstar in this offense for the team to move the ball efficiently. Sure he needs to be able to make big plays, but as I said at some point with Shaun Hill, the passing game does not have to be Colts-esque. The difference between Shaun Hill and Alex Smith is that Smith can make more of the deep throws necessary to keep the defense honest.
If Smith is able to find some success, even just a little bit, on the intermediate and deep passes, will that automatically translate to more success for Gore? We didn't see much in the second half from Gore, but part of that was due to the team paying catch-up. The 49ers will need to control the clock against the Colts and that is done with a solid rushing attack. The passing is necessary, but I honestly don't think the offense can roll out a spread style offense for 4 quarters without a sufficient rushing game backing it up. Maybe you disagree on that point. The 49ers do have some skilled receivers, but I just think that 60 minutes of spread doesn't fly on the NFL level.
So, for the purposes of this post, say Alex Smith sees some success in the passing game. Maybe not Peyton Manning success, but he can move the offense. If we get some success, how much will the rushing game benefit? Or are the offensive line issues going to get in the way? Or even worse, are Jimmy Raye's unimaginative runs going to get in the way (although he has started mixing up the running plays a little bit more)?
Reminder that we've got Singletary's transcript after the jump. He had several comments about the use of a balanced attack, as opposed to just rushing it up the gut every time...
Head Coach Mike Singletary
Press Conference - October 26, 2009
San Francisco 49ers
Opening Statements:
"First of all, the injury report: [T Tony] Pashos, left shoulder contusion; [LB Marques] Harris, hamstring strain; [DT] Justin Smith, left calf strain; [NT Aubrayo] Franklin, right knee sprain; [LB Takeo] Spikes, right shoulder sprain. Pashos will have an MRI today. We should know a little bit later on today. He and Takeo Spikes both will have MRIs, and we'll have further information later on.
As far as this upcoming week, in terms of the quarterback, [QB] Alex Smith will be the quarterback. As far as, will [QB] Shaun Hill be back and all this other stuff, I think I told you last night, we're not going to be a flavor of the month kind of thing, ‘Well, let's see, this guy will be this week, this guy will be next week.' One of the things I want to have you understand is I wanted to make a decision based upon who I feel gives us the best chance to win. I think Shaun Hill, at the beginning of the season - when I met with Shaun today, I told him just that, ‘I felt that you gave us the best chance to win at that particular time.' He has done a great job up to this point, but we feel that right now, we need to go with Alex. I feel that Alex Smith gives us the best chance to win, and to use the tools that we have going forward."
On why Smith gives the team the best chance to win:
"Because I think Alex has had a chance to really regain some of the confidence, not that he ever lost it, but I think just giving him a chance to settle in and have him watch Shaun Hill - and there's something about watching a guy and looking at some of the mistakes that he made and how you would do it different, looking at some of the things that he does well and maybe implement those things in your game. He had a chance to look at his decision-making process, learn the offense a little bit more, but certainly giving him a chance to develop that hunger, develop that excitement and enthusiasm for playing, ‘and, if I ever get a chance again, I'm going to do it this way.'"
On whether the team needs Smith's ability to hit the intermediate and long passes:
"I would just say this: I think, right now, overall, Alex Smith really just kind of fits the bill in terms of doing the things that we need to get done."
On whether he will open up the passing game a little more:
"I think, going forward, we'll just try to look at it and, once again, it depends on how the team is playing us and everything else. I just want to reiterate what I said from the very beginning. I have never, ever said that we're just going to run the ball, run the ball, run the ball - three yards and a cloud of dust. I have always said I want to run the ball when we want to run the ball. I want to strive more for balance, but I want to run the ball when we want to run the ball. That's what I've always said. I have not shied away from that. I want a balanced attack."
On why the team hasn't been able to run the ball when it wants to run the ball:
"We haven't been able to run the ball when we wanted to run the ball because they normally have about eight-and-a-half people in the box, sometimes nine. Sometimes, that makes it a little more difficult. When you have an offensive line that's been banged up and you're trying to get that right, it makes for not a good combination right now, but as we build confidence, as we continue to get better, it will work itself out."
On whether he is concerned with the lack of success on the ground in the second half:
"No. I think that as we go forward, things will work themselves out. Yes, we had a tough time running the ball at the beginning of the third quarter, but there were also a couple of runs we made. It's the cat-and mouse-game; if you can throw the ball then you can run the ball, if you can run the ball then you can throw the ball. As we evolve and we get more in sync with whet we are trying to do with the offense, and once again, we had a chance to see what Alex Smith can do, we are just going to continue to explore where we are going to go with his ability."
On what he will do with the offensive line if Pashos cannot play Sunday:
"You know what, I'm not going to start, ‘What about this? What about that?' If he can't go, we'll work it out. We will figure it out. There are several options that we have, whether we take Snyder back out to tackle and keep everyone else kind of the way it was. We will just have to take a look and see."
On the right guard position:
"Right now, we have to continue to help [G] Chilo [Rachal] as much as we can. I think one of the issues we have right now, some guys are really trying to play perfect. Some guys are really trying to play mistake free. When you do that, you become robotic and it takes you out of your game. I just want guys to go out and play. I think a guy like Chilo, it is like any player, when you know the spotlight is on you, when you know you have to play better, some guys respond to it very well, and there are other guys that fall prey to it. I think it is one of things where we have to help Chilo as much as we can because there are some things he does very well, but there is one particular stunt there that really gets him at times and we have to continue working on that, showing him that in practice and allowing him to work on it. He just has to mature on it."
On whether that particular stunt accounted for a sack in the game:
"Yes."
On whether switching quarterbacks was something he thought about before the game:
"When I talked to Shaun Hill this morning, it is one of the things I really wanted him to understand, this is not something that was premeditated. It is not something I talked to anybody about like, ‘Well I'm going to wait for the right opportunity to do this.' It was important for me that he understood that as the head coach, I think my most important responsibility is to put us in a position to win. I just remember at the end of the Atlanta game, we were behind, and we were trying to make some plays and it just wasn't happening. Yesterday, you kind of see the same scenario coming, and I just felt we have to do something to help ourselves, give ourselves a chance to get back in the game and try and win the game. That's really all it was. As I said before, when I look at Alex we really didn't know what we were going to get. I was hoping we were going to get what we have seen out here in practice, and that is what we got. I was excited to see that and the excitement and the enthusiasm on the sideline, and the excitement and the enthusiasm on the defensive side of the ball, the receivers, the running backs, everybody. It was just one of those things where I felt we are going to go forward with that."
On whether QB Alex Smith starting is a function of his athletic ability over what QB Shaun Hill brings:
"Athletic ability? Are you talking about having a stronger arm, maybe make the throws? I think it's probably a combination of a number of things, - just really getting settled. You have another coordinator coming in. You had an offseason where you are trying to work things through with your shoulder, finding out exactly where you are with your shoulder, and at the same time, you are just trying to get settled. We were just letting the guy get settled and getting a chance to think about some things and at the same time, there happens to be a season going on. We wanted to let him develop that hunger, let him get excited about if I get an opportunity again, let him develop some confidence. ‘I think I can do that. If it comes again, I want to do it like this or I want to do it like that, rather than just putting him in there at the beginning of the season and if you don't have success right away, then it's same old Alex. I don't think it's the same old Alex. I think Alex has matured, I think he's grown and I think he's ready to play. We're going to find out. We'll find out next week."
On where the quarterback situation falls in terms of his concern about this team:
"Quarterback is certainly one of them, but the quarterback situation, for me, has never been an overriding factor because of the way we said we had to play to begin with and that was to run the ball. But, the offensive line, we've got to continue to make sure that we get the things that we need there, the continuity in a hurry. That revolves around a number of things. So, when you are able to put eight and a half people in the box and just sit there, in your comfort zone, and stunt here and there, I mean, it's awfully hard on an offensive line that's trying to jell. You've got some young guys in there at the same time trying to make it happen. You can get awfully creative when you've got eight guys in the box. So that's certainly one concern. Hopefully, we are able to make some throws. Hopefully, we are able to make them and get the heck out of the box and hopefully we are able to make them play us right, make them play us fair. We certainly have some playmakers out there and having a quarterback that can consistently make the throws that Alex can make, then it gives us a chance to really branch out a bit and open things up a bit."
On concerns on defense:
"Defensively, we are continuing to look at the film there and make some evaluations. We'll have to make some decisions on the defensive side, if we need to."
On whether he is talking about personnel:
"Yes, but we have to look at more film and we'll get there."
On the primary concern being the secondary or the entire defense:
"Just the defense."
On someday having CB Nate Clements move to safety:
"That's not in the realm of thinking right now.."
On his concerns of the defense in general:
"In general, my biggest concern right now is just the communication factor and we'll get that solved this week. We'll get that solved today as a matter of fact. In terms of the communication, I think that there are a few things there that we can do a lot better and I didn't know really that it was that much of an issue, the communication factor, and you know that it's just a small thing, getting the guys in there, in the huddle and having them understand whose talking, whose not, and who's giving the information from the sideline and going from there. And so, one of the things that I sat in on one of the defensive meetings this morning it's just a matter of bringing clarity to what we're doing because we are too good of defense. When I look at our defense, we're a good defense, with the opportunity to be a great defense. But right now, because of the communication factor particularly in the last couple of games, and the way those games have gone you get guys starting to do their own thing. Guys starting to think they heard this so that's when you really have to communicate very well to make sure that guys don't start doing their own thing. So, we just have to get on one page and kind of relax and settle down and let's go from there."
On whether there is a problem in logistics with LB Patrick Willis and his radio helmet:
"Maybe, we may have to take a look at that.'
On what jumped out at him after seeing WR Michael Crabtree on film after yesterday's game:
"Nothing jumped out at me that I didn't see yesterday. It was very evident yesterday, I just wanted to see it on film just like when you see a good movie. You want to see it again. But, I saw him yesterday and I made sure that I talked to him this morning and let him know that all of the hard work that he did while he wasn't here, it showed. All of the studying that he did while he wasn't here, it showed. So it was good to see."
On whether or not he was surprised to see how many total plays Crabtree was in comparison to all the receivers on the team:
"No, again he told me how much he was working and I heard from some other sources outside of the building on how hard he was working and all the route running that he was doing every day. I knew that he wasn't in football shape, but if he was doing what they were telling me he was doing, what they saw him doing, then I knew that he was going to be in pretty good shape. I didn't think about the other things, but I would say that I was a little bit surprised that he was able to go on all of those plays. But I thought for certain, maybe 30-40 plays, but to basically go the whole game, that's pretty impressive. "
On using more of a three receiver formation with Alex Smith going forward:
"We're going to do whatever we need to do win. Three receiver, four receiver, five receiver, I don't care. We're going to do whatever we need to do to win. But we're going to run the ball."
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Watching the second half again right now
via NFL Gameday replay.
Gore had a nice long run right after Crabtree’s catch. That catch forced the Houston defense to back up a bit and opened it up the left side for Gore.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I only want to say one thing
If you want to b*tch about Alex Smith go somewhere else. Go be a raider fan so you can complain all you want. Alex is the best QB on our team, now that he is finally rid of Nolan, and we will win with him. Get off his back ond root for your team, if you are a TRUE Niner fan.
by mmamcneill on Oct 26, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
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by Viliphied on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
confused
He’s not complaining about Alex Smith with that comment. And furthermore, I don’t think there’s anything to be gained by getting into the debate about who are “true” niner fans. Just because a person is critical of a player doesn’t mean he’s not a fan.
by Fooch on Oct 26, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I learned the hard way mmamcneill
nothing will be gained at all…chillax with the TRUE Niner fan stuff. You’ll regret it later. There’s a wide variety of fanatics for any team; meaning routing for their team in different types of ways. Everyone is unique and no one fan is the same. If you stick around long enough, you will find that out pretty fast.
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasnt talking about his comment
i just wanted to be on the top of the page
by mmamcneill on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
Even though we had only one timeout left, i wish we would of used it for that 4th down play. It just went by too quick and Alex Smith look flustered. Call a timeout, find a good play and take your time to execute it. Too many things happening during that small amount of time.
How many times has Joe Montana thrown an interception in a super bowl?
by Tony C on Oct 26, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Smith could have really stepped into it...
that throw would have found Bruce behind the coverage. The OL got pushed back too far though and he didn’t have room to drive off his back leg.
by return2greatness on Oct 26, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bass got beat on the play
I also wonder if he could’ve stopped into it, was he actually throwing to Vernon behind the defense. Instead it came up shorter near Bruce.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith sells the play action much, much better than Hill, and I think that will make a small difference.
by Grant on Oct 26, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that makes a huge difference
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't want to oversell it...
My fanboyism is well known.
by Grant on Oct 26, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’LL TAKE NINE!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAIL
should have been
I’LL TAKE ELEVEN
That vintage Smith-11 Jersey just might be worth what you paid for it, fanboy!
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by zenbitz on Oct 26, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, when the Niners run play action, the defense might actually have to respect the deep ball, which would also make a small difference.
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by groug on Oct 26, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One way I think it will help the run game
Passing for first downs. When we’re going three & out we only get three plays per possession (obviously). That’s 1-2 run plays, from our own territory, every possession. There’s no way to establish any kind of rhythm between Gore and his linemen, especially against a defense focused almost soley on the run.
If Alex can not only convert a high percentage of 3rd downs but throw for 10+ yards on early downs, we become less predictable. We have more total plays on offense. All against a front-7 that is a bit more passive and safeties more likely to play coverage.
BTW: What symmetry for Alex. His first ever start was against Manning and the Colts. Hopefully for him, and us, this starts on winning note and more importantly goes forward as a successful starting QB.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus knowing the QB can throw further than 10 yards
and make the difficult throws makes the secondary play differently.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
A successful passing game puts most defense back on their heels and more predictable: they either play more zone to keep everything in front of them and hope for a mistake, or they bring pressure to disrupt the QB but leave everyone in man-coverage. And we now have a QB that can get the ball downfield and (who knew) receivers that can make plays.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Raye has been setting up a play all season
Playaction out of the usual running formation and Vernon will leak out on a deep out. With Crabs and Morgan on one side, this can be something as long as we can have a rhythm early.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you insinuating
We could get a W against undefeated Colts at home? I was thinking we maybe had a chance when I mistakenly thought we were playing in SF. Although I’m still going to watch the game, and probably re-watch it if it is within 21 points, I’m just saying, with all the respect for the Niners, I sorta kinda think the Colts are going to win all their home games. Go niners.
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't see how we win against the Colts
The most I’m hoping for is to keep it close. If we can keep it within 10 points or less I’ll be happy. If by some miracle we do win I’ll be ecstatic.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoping
Like I said,
Hopefully for him, and us, this starts on winning note and more importantly goes forward as a successful starting QB.
Am I expecting a win? No more than usual when we’re an appropriate underdog, as I am optimistic and know that “on any given Sunday.” Do I think we can win? Absolutely. I recall some Parcells line about how there’s a game plan to win every game you play, the question is can you execute it.
My overall point was whether or not we win in Indy, it’s more important that Smith go forward as a successful QB. A loss this Sunday won’t break our season if we get better QB play in future and more winnable games.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just happy that 2 seconds after the ball is snapped Smith doesn’t shrug into a fetal position when the pocket collapses like Hill has done, he keeps his eyes down the field to see the routes develop.
by sundaysfinest on Oct 26, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And he rolls out of the pocket when he is in trouble.
That reason alone will make for less sacks and a more effective offense overall..
Anyone else think the Colts game could be a shootout? I don’t think we will win, but I think we will keep it competitive and score some points.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
Our best chance of winning is still playing great defense and running the ball. Control that clock and put up points. It doesn’t always work, but I’d say out of all the teams that have played them well the Jags and Dolpins put up the best fight by doing those two things well
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can't run the ball though
if teams don’t respect the pass. By establishing the passing game it opens up Gore for some good running.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Unfortunately right now we can’t open up the pass by rushing the ball, so we will have to work the opposite initially until teams beging to respect the pass and back out of the box. I have a feeling that they are still going to force Smith, Crabtree, Davis and company to beat them in the air. Until that occurs on a more frequent basis, defenses won’t back off.
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
We allow the running game to open up more by spreading out the offense and being successful in the passing game. If we can put up some points on the Colts by the aerial attack, teams will have to respect our offense and back off from putting 8-9 guys in the box
by mountaindew77 on Oct 26, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miami tried that
and controlled the ball for over 45 minutes of the game and still lost. I’m just sayin’.
by SoDak9er on Oct 26, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it was a great strategy
Miami’s problem was they kept settling for FGs, including one they missed. And at the end of game, trailing by four, they ran the slowest 2-min drill in memory.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best defense against the Colts...
is keeping Manning on the sideline. Pure and Simple. Yes Miami did that effectively for 45 minutes and still lost. But they were the closest team to beat the Colts. I believe the score was 24-23. The best formula by far is controlling the clock. No one can win in a shootout against Manning, unless your Tom Brady, or Brees and Palmer on a good day. But to stay on the field I think that SF has proven it HAS to throw to stay on the field. The run game alone won’t cut it.
by shulkdog on Oct 27, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sing: "decisions on the defensive side"
I wonder who/what he means? TKO was out injured. Can’t be P-Will or Smith. Manny finally got a sack. Corners held AJ to two catches. My only thought would be Goldson since he blew the coverage (on a two-man route!) on the long TD to Daniels.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Spikes shoulder was hurt and he couldn't play but a little more than one qtr.
Smith could also be out a week or more depending on both of their shoulder injuries.
Also, have to think about the OL, RT. When Pashos got hurt Sims had to fill in. If Pashos is going to be out a while they may want to brink Boone up… as a backup.
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by Eastbayjim on Oct 26, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blew the coverage
He got burned on a well designed play. That thing went according to hoyle for the texans.
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well designed yes
But it was zone coverage. He blew his deep responsibilities by looking at one receiver on the other side of the field who was surrounded by defenders. To be fair, Spencer was also in the picture so I truly don’t know which player had more responsibility.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Alex Smith is the starter espn says...
It was fun to watch him actually play good yesterday vs. Texans I hope he plays well but he has been a bust thus far so we will see. Please I hope Alex Smith finally after all these years starts to become a good qb.
by 49ersAllTheWay on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no excuses
this is by far the best personnel he has ever played with.
by sundaysfinest on Oct 26, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the way V Davis is playing now, and Morgan and especially Crabtree with those hands
Smith has a lot better receiving core around him. If either Hill or Jones plays against the Colts then you also have a deep threat which would open up the run game more for Gore.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 26, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree hands
were extremely impressive. He even caught the one that went out of bounds. The catch that got called back? Sick. I think we’re poised to have a GREAT year next year. Still looking for playoffs this year.
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree's hands are incredible
I think he’s gonna be a star. Yeah it’s only one game but man was he impressive in the catches that came his way.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. great hands. born to play wide receiver.
And when you realize he has only played receiver for two years. )he was a quarterback in HS.) The sky is the limit for this guy.
by zacksf on Oct 26, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the catch called back
that was a 22-yarder called back and it looked e-a-s-y; for the game Crabtree would’ve had 6 receptions and 78 yards. Not a bad debut, even without the catch in question in there.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Oct 26, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly
Though since we were playing catchup like you said, Gore did make some nice runs on the few times he attempted in the second half. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. If Smith can just get firsts down via air, and keep drives going, I think that will open things up for Gore. We don’t need to be bombing it down field all the time, but every once in awhile when the opportunity is right.
If Smith is consistent, and keeps his TO’s down, Gore should improve, and I would really enjoy watching this offense… as opposed to, well, the first 6 weeks of the season.
by ZonaBacks10 on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please...
I hope Smith doesn’t play like he did in his first start ever against the Colts, that 4 int game. But yeah that probably won’t happen. He has swagger, confidence, and leadership. Look, Shaun Hill, I still like the guy, he played his heart out, but sometimes it just doesn’t go your way. He’s 10-5 as a starter, I mean it’s not like he sucks, he’s just had a bad string of games. But now we have an effective qb in Alex, and I think he can lead us to some points.
Gore, in my opinion, will get 100 yards this week, I’m guranteeing that. I say that with utmost confidence. I also think we can pull of this HUGE upset in 6 days, as I don’t think Indy is such a hard place to play. The key, will be getting pressure on Peyton and making him feel uncomfortable.
Prediction: 27-21 we win
by Dub4lif3 on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Guarantees?
I made on on the last Thread!!!!
get em Niners
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by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I got a feeling gore is going to have a fun Sunday lol
49ers al Grito de Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 26, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith did show pocket presence...
And moved around the pressure better than I have ever seen him do. If he is able to continue what he did in the 2nd half the opposing defence will have to react which will open up the running attack.
by Natural Red on Oct 26, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He also didn't have happy feet
I have grown used to seeing him pitter patter those feet in the pocket. I didn’t see it once yesterday. He looked cool, calm, and collected like a veteran QB should. So it may not be anything huge, but it told me that he wasn’t playing frantic like I have seen him do quite a bit. Forging ahead, that should help in his accuracy.
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been a Smith fan since SF drafted him.
But it was great to finally see a crisp sprial going into a recievers hands down field.
by Natural Red on Oct 26, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was most impressed with
Vernon Davis out of everyone yesterday. He’s already 2 catches shy of his year total last year and already has 2 more TD’s. With Crabtree out there now also, eventually teams are going to have to respect the pass which in turn will allow Gore to have more opportunity to bust a few more. Smith does add an element of which we’ve been missing with evidence of his stronger arm
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
Its always bugged me when teams score on seam routes to the TE. I always thought, why can’t the niners do that? After yesterday, I’m glad they scored on seam routes. I think that route will always be there.
by sundaysfinest on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis has pretty much scored off of seam routes
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he has pretty well quieted his critics.
by Natural Red on Oct 26, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's FF?
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s still ripping his front office for passing on Sanchez for Aaron Curry.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.. Harsh.. but oh so true!
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 26, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lololol
49ers al Grito de Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 26, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hot dog kid?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 26, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I thought it was pretty sweet. If Joe Namath can wear a mink coat on the sideline than what is wrong with eating a hot dog?
The only one who should be pissed is Jamarcus Russell cause he had nothing to do and could probably go for a half dozen hot dogs.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch. So true..
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm seeing that too
I think I’m going to do a fanpost with a bit of analysis of each of the drives.
The Smith haters are saying that the Texans played a prevent defense most of the second half—I’m not seeing that at all. Seems to me they played like a defense that had to respect both aspects of the offense instead of one.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Some Texans fans just want to believe their real D was the first half and a prevent D was the second half. Because of course teams play prevent D for an entire half even after their real D got them a shutout the first two quarters. Yet it was the same players minus one: the QB.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are Texans fans/apologists
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were in the same sets
as the 1st half when Smith was under center. When we spread things out, obviously they had to put more DB’s in there to cover everyone. It wasn’t a “prevent” defense. Just different personnel packages
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
It was prevent. They were just sitting back on their laurels. The Texans, and their defense, make me stand in awe at their awesomeness. Their rookie CBs are the best rookies in the league, and they’re so much better than their pro bowler, Dunta Robinson. Plus, Demeco Ryans is like Patrick Willis, but, like, squared. All those performances against other teams don’t matter. They shut down the vaunted Shaun Hill led 49ers offense in one half of one game. That’s what matters, good plays and wins.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you knew
Texans are SB bound
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great!
Being a multi-dimentional team will be refreshing.
by Natural Red on Oct 26, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think, do!
Analyzing each drive just a bit would be a great read, especially for those like me who live in far away places where Niner football is hard to come by. It would be much appreciated!
by InTimmyWeTrust on Oct 26, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
another way to look at it is the defense he was playing against pretty much knew what the niners had to do to get back into the game, and that was PASS the ball, and Alex was still able to do well….a lot of his previous failures can be attributed to the fact that he was young and inexperienced (he is only 25 NOW), if he can protect the ball in the pocket and make some good decisions, i think he will be fine.
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 26, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Texans
Weren’t prepared for an offense even the Niners didn’t know they were going to bust out. We used the reach-back method… And pulled something out of our posteriors in the second half…
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting comments from Sing
Let’s break it down, shall we?
“Athletic ability? Are you talking about having a stronger arm, maybe make the throws? I think it’s probably a combination of a number of things, – just really getting settled.
Not denying the answers to these questions is an affirmation that Smith is more athletic and has a stronger arm. Which, you know, is kinda obvious.
You have another coordinator coming in. You had an offseason where you are trying to work things through with your shoulder, finding out exactly where you are with your shoulder, and at the same time, you are just trying to get settled.
Seems to be suggesting that he liked Smith from the outset, but didn’t want to throw him to the wolves at the outset. Sounds like the same ol’ “Break ’em down, pick ’em back up” Singletary talk that we’ve been seeing in snippets. Not entirely sure I’m buying it though.
We were just letting the guy get settled and getting a chance to think about some things and at the same time, there happens to be a season going on. We wanted to let him develop that hunger, let him get excited about if I get an opportunity again, let him develop some confidence. ‘I think I can do that. If it comes again, I want to do it like this or I want to do it like that, rather than just putting him in there at the beginning of the season and if you don’t have success right away, then it’s same old Alex.
He was basically treating Alex like an unprepared rookie if this is true.
I don’t think it’s the same old Alex. I think Alex has matured, I think he’s grown and I think he’s ready to play. We’re going to find out. We’ll find out next week."
I hope so. I hope this is all true, but at the same time, I wouldn’t be remotely surprised to find out this is just putting a good face on it
I’m hopeful that Smith will continue to perform well. He certainly looked very good this last week. Let’s see what he can do next week.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Until yesterday Alex played like a unprepared rookie.
He didn’t play like the same ole Alex. There was a calm about him that I have never seen before.
by Natural Red on Oct 26, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw him take the delay of game
instead of the time out. I think that’s a really smart, heads up play in a come from behind situation.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sing
wasn’t exactly on top of that either. can’t solely blame Smith. Of course either of them could have called it but that neither here or there now
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why Smith
had the confusion but I thought it showed really good situational awareness to do that instead burning a time out.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, now this, I cannot tell if you’re serious or not.
Act all day, dance all night. Let's get it poppin'... I'm in Bombay, trick!
by Rishi on Oct 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm serious
It was bad to be in that position of confusion, but good that he took the delay of game instead of using a time out (which he knew the team would need later).
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe my memory is hazy, but didn’t the delay of game penalty turn a manageable fourth down into one that couldn’t be achieved? Or are we talking about a different one?
Act all day, dance all night. Let's get it poppin'... I'm in Bombay, trick!
by Rishi on Oct 26, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turned a 3rd and 6
to a 3rd and 11. The next play was a pass to VD which only got a couple of yards anyway so the yardage didn’t really matter, but it did save them a time out for the end of the game.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably thinking of the delay of game
that happened on the last drive.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, I thought that was what you were referencing.
Reread your original comment through my Shaun Hill-coloured glasses and it will all make sense.
Act all day, dance all night. Let's get it poppin'... I'm in Bombay, trick!
by Rishi on Oct 26, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing...
… that boggles me is why there was so much confusion in the first place. The stadium was loud, but was it so loud that he couldn’t hear the call? Or were the calls coming in confusing? Or were the headsets not working (a problem the 49ers have had in the past, a lot)?
by sfgfan on Oct 26, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they had to
break out the 4 wide-out section of the playbook from a vault in Santa Clara and dust it off. The time lag in decoding it and then transmitting the strange and heretofor unseen plays resulted in mass confusion and wide-eyed stares from the entire 49er team. Not unlike trying to break the secret of the rosetta stone or dead sea scrolls….
by SoDak9er on Oct 26, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were like 7 times in the second half that Smith would get into the huddle, get out, get back in
Because of personnel issues. He took like 3 delay of game penalties. And in one instance I remember, Josh Morgan going to the sidelines all pissed off. These were personnel issues. One one play VD didn’t start his motion in time, which ended in Alex burning a timeout. Not professional. Hopefully it’ll get straightened out this week.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time I remember Morgan going to the sidelines pissed was after he personally made a false start and negated a big play. Anyway this is silly why am I even responding to this… Like Morgan would be pissed because he suddenly gets to play with a QB who can actually throw the ball.
Amy Mainzer my brain thinks your brain is HOT!
by cybermaldonado on Oct 26, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya except when its 4th and 5 and he
should have taken the timeout because 4th and 10 is much harder to do, especially because if we dont get that play the game is over
by june8thjrat on Oct 26, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he had used the final TO
We wouldn’t have it for a possible FG attempt. Since it was already under 40 seconds, I’d rather need the extra 5 yards.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much
Did that extra time out pay off for us?
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight
It didn’t pay off since we didn’t reach FG range. If you use it and don’t have it thirty seconds later for a FG, the question would then be “why did you waste the final T.O.?”
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicken
Egg. Just saying you use what you got when you got it. Nobody wants to go home a loser on millionaire with the lifelines still in tact
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but football is also about strategy
Gotta be thinking ahead even as you’re playing in the now. Otherwise you’re one of those coaches that doesn’t have a T.O. or challenge when you really need it.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary never thinks ahead....
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 26, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Complete vet move
Showed he had full awareness of what was going on in the game. Guarantee had that been Favre or Brady trailing and not wasting a T.O., the focus would’ve been on what a smart decision it was instead of why they didn’t have the play in on time.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't necessarily agree with the decision
But it definitely showed his poise and knowledge of the situation.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really smart
because he made the first down. If he didn’t I was going to call him asinine. I saw it all the way. I was like hurry up, you’’re lagging. Why aren’t you hustling? Delay of Game? There were several
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Singletary worked wonders with Davis, seems to have successfully evaluated Crabtree, and perhaps, perhaps, brought Alex Smith to a place where he can be effective. Current signs are positive. Hopefully he’ll continue to impress.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW for the Mark Roman haters
The critical defense on that last Houston drive was a great defense by him.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He got burnt
2 times by Daniels for 6 each time
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daniels scored 1 TD
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still sucks
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhh...
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just my opinion
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I corrected myself a little lower in thread
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that, and commented as such
Thought you’d still correct me… hah!
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daniels beat Goldson and Spencer in zone coverage
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might need a fan poll to determine how many Roman haters there actually are on here. I’m guessing 98% of fans are Roman haters.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got one here
Goldson hater too!
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Bery anyone? LOL
49ers al Grito de Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 26, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not so much a Roman hater
but I am big fan of the Parthians.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Oct 27, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if 14 points
counter balance 1 good play. I think there were more times Daniels got the better of him but those two stand out the most
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
That just stood out in my mind.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
only one TD but I think one of the big catcheson him set up a TD by Slaton
by Drew K on Oct 26, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'Oh!
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 26, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see why Smith can’t run the Shaun hill offense. How difficult is it really to hand the ball off to the RB every down? Mix in just a little spread offense and add the downfield play threat and the offense should be much better. Running the spread offense against the Colts is suicide anyway although it can be hard to avoid.
Amy Mainzer my brain thinks your brain is HOT!
by cybermaldonado on Oct 26, 2009 4:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NOt if you play it right.
They are vulnerable to the draw left and right and their Ends aren’t good protecting the edge on the run. But they swarm to the ball and have Bob Sanders back!
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
S.Hill Offense
I think that’s what we’ll see Sunday.
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex won't do well unless the OL does better.
The Texans played prevent the entire second half, so Alex had a chance to play without much pressure. Great. He played well and looked like the A. Smith we all hoped for when he was drafted. But what will he do when Dwight Freeney and Bob Sanders decide to welcome him back to the NFL? Alex has not reacted well to pressure in the past. Has that changed? I hope so, like everyone here, but I’ll refrain from pronouncing him The Solution until we see him play under pressure against a good defense.
But here’s the thing – no quarterback can play well when the OL can’t protect him at all. We know Alex can take a beating – we’ve all watched that and don’t wish to see it again. So the biggest outstanding problem facing the 49ers is still the OL. If Pashos is out, does Snyder or Sims start at RT? Is it prudent to leave Rachal at RG with his current problems? Would it be better to start Wragge in place of Rachal? Can either Snyder or Sims slow down the pass rush from the right? Can any combination of our current O-linemen open holes in the running game? Should the team play mostly max-protect with two TEs & two RBs at the expense of spreading the defense with 3 & 4WR sets?
I just don’t think having Alex At QB is going to change defensive game plans. Opposing DCs will continue to put 8-9 in the box to stop Frank Gore and make the 49ers throw to move the ball. Hopefully, Alex will handle this situation better than Hill did, but that’s not a given yet. And he will have to do it under severe pressure. I sincerely hope Alex can play well and demonstrate he’s the 9ers’ QOTF instead of Nate Davis, but he’s not a cure-all for the offense. Better play from the OL will make more of a difference than the QB play right now.
by MontanaPass on Oct 26, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, they didn't play prevent the entire second half.
They played zone and didn’t put 8 guys in the box, but that’s not prevent.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is they were not pressuring the QB.
They weren’t blitzing, they were dropping into coverage and keeping everything in front of them in the secondary. There was little pressure on Smith. Which is fine – he had a chance to show what he can do under good conditions. But that won’t happen in Indy, or any time after that. Alex has to demonstrate that he can make plays under severe pressure – something he hasn’t done well in the past. But if the OL play doesn’t improve, the only thing Alex may get to demonstrate is that he can still take a beating. We already know that, though.
by MontanaPass on Oct 26, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They blitzed him several times.
I mean, I’m not saying that he decimated the Texans defense and they had no answer for him, but sheesh… give him some credit. Hill couldn’t do a thing, and Smith threw for 200+ and 3 TDs. I guarantee you that once they scored 14 unanswered that Houston stopped “not trying” on defense.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They blitzed several times
And even though they were playing zone their linebackers were still crowding the line of scrimmage. Most of the second half the linebackers were right behind their linemen.
They weren’t playing anything like a prevent defense until the last drive.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
f they blitz it's a qick read
We’ll cross that bridge when we get to it. Hill coldn’t do ANYTHING against it either
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As other said they blitzed several times
Including the first TD to VD and one of the big gainers to Crabtree. So actually, Alex beat their blitz too.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston
Didn’t play much different defense in the 2nd then they did the 1st. Smith was just able to squeeze the ball in because he has a better arm then Hill does. Also the offensive line played better in the 2nd half and Smith released the ball quicker then Hill did
You all know i am the biggest Hill supporter you will find on here. But sometimes a change needs to be made for the team and this was the right decision by Singletary. The offense looked completely different with Smith in the game and his confidence showed as well.
If the offensive line plays well against Indianapolis then we will have a chance, they just need to block Mathis and Freeney. Easier said then done. If Smith has time to throw and the play calling allows him to open it up a little bit more then they did when Hill was in the game then Crabtree and Morgan can take advantage of a shaky Colts conerback play
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81 on Oct 26, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought
I am amazed at how one half has completely changed our offense and pretty much everyone’s opinions.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 26, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It Was An Entirely Different Offense With Smith In The Game
I kept on saying to myself “really? is this the same Alex Smith? What did you do with the other Alex Smith?” I honestly couldn’t believe my eyes. But we also need to remember it was just one half.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81 on Oct 26, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It was just one half, but I was very impressed with Smith’s pocket presence and ability to escape pressure. Oh yeah, and his arm was spot on too.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 26, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I couldn’t believe what I was seeing either. Really shocking how good he played
49ers al Grito de Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 26, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have watched this offense all season it should change something for you too.
Whether small or tall you have to be moved in a direction whether optimist or pessimist.
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It did change my opinion
I think our offense can be much more successful with Smith. I wasn’t excluding myself
by mountaindew77 on Oct 26, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Humboldt County
Doesn’t have a bigger buzz…
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My dad is from Humboldt county
He grew up in Eureka.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
So did some of my family members.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 27, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
echoing mountaindew77 here a little bit
it’s amazing to me how one awesome half of QBing has totally flip-flopped the perception of alex smith. it sounds as if most people thinks he’s going to be the savior of the offense. now, i sure hope he will be, but i just think all this talk of “starting alex will improve the passing game via X” and “starting alex will improve the running game via Y” is venturing into massive, unrepentant optimismland. let me repeat: i hope he turns out to be the savior with every ounce of my niner fandom. but, please, let’s see him play like that for more than one half.
i remember when hill was getting inserted during the 2nd half of games at the end of 2007, how people were saying his performances were a mirage because they came either in the 2nd half of a blowout or against horrible teams, etc. where is this same skepticism about alex? all he’s done so far is come in and play a great half of football, almost bringing the team all the way back from a big deficit. kudos to him, but isn’t this exactly why we poo-pooed hill at the end of 2007?
hopefully, my point here is clear. i’m not a hill lover — that’s pretty obvious from my player rankings posts. i’m not a smith lover either. i want the niners offense to be the offense i think it can be. i want the niners to win, and whichever QB helps them win is the one i want on the field. but, for chrisakes, can we not extrapolate one half of stellar QB play into bearing witness to the second coming?
i think alex brings a lot of things to the table that will help the passing offense, but i also think he has a track record of boneheaded throws, poor mechanics, and leadership behaviors that leave something to be desired. i think having a better passing game will help out the running game, but i also think that barry sanders would have a hard time running behind the statistically-worst (it’s not even close) OL in the league, which is what the 49ers’ OL is right now. some good will come out of smith starting, but so also will some bad.
how many times do we have to have the rug pulled out from under us before we stop standing on the nearest rug?
by Florida Danny on Oct 26, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In Smith's defense
I don’t think he’s /ever/ looked as good as he did yesterday. Regardless of all the “Houston didn’t prepare” BS, Alex Smith actually looked like a #1 pick yesterday. That’s something to be excited about.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You throw a dying man a twig
And he’ll grab onto it like it’s a lifevest.
Right now our offense is among the worst in the league (28th in passing, 25th in rushing). Alex made us look like we had a half-way decent offense again. Of course we’re going to be excited about it.
I’m not ready to anoint him the second coming of Joe Montana but he looked very good in that second half and made the kinds of throws that Hill can only dream of. That alone opens up our offense to all sorts of possibilities.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a difference...
between being excited about it and talking (not you specifically) like the 49ers are going to go from the 28th-best offense to a top-10 offense by virtue of starting alex smith. the way i read the discussion is that smith starting will make the passing game start to look like the colts and the running game start to look like the vikings. if that happens, awesome. but people are basing that on one half of meaningless football. if people say, “ok, i think smith might get us up to 20th in offense because of x, y, and z,” then that’s a little more rational. we have people on here predicting 100-yard games from gore solely by virtue of smith starting the game. crabtree’s hands, VD’s awesomeness, and morgan’s improvement is going to have the passing game averaging 300 yds/g. all i’m saying is that if the elevation of smith to starter makes the offense that good, then we can start etching the lombardi trophy 3 months in advance.
by Florida Danny on Oct 26, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple more things in Smith's defense
The first thing is that it does little good to compare Smith’s play in 2005 or ‘06 when he had no talent around him and was a raw rookie/first year player. Would you base Troy Aikman’s career on his first year? You can’t. In 2007 he had perhaps the worst offensive coordinator ever and he had a broken shoulder. Hard to complete passes with your arm in a sling. He’s spent most of the last two years sitting and learning. He may not be very good in the end, but it won’t be because he’s a rookie without talent around him.
Second, people have been saying that the Texans played soft against the Niners in the second half. They looked a lot like the zones they played in the first half when they were stopping the run. And how would they have prepped for Smith as opposed to Hill? Respect the pass? If Smith is so much better than Hill at throwing the ball then that should open up the box. What’s wrong with that?
And here’s a third thing. I thought I saw Barry Sims out there quite a bit in the second half. That would suggest that the OL had LESS talent out there when Smith was quarterbacking. Not only did Smith effectively evade the pass rush, but by being able to move around it was harder for the defensive rush to target in on him.
Even if the team just wins what we could reasonably expect them to win I think it’s going to be hard to pass Arizona, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t win the division, and they are not going to make it as a wildcard.
I’m not putting down my Super Bowl bet, but Smith definitely has the arm to be an NFL QB. Since the last time he played in a real game he’s learned to throw in anticipation of where a receiver will be, he’s got poise in the pocket, and he’s making good decisions. In these three areas he’s better than Hill (Hill has been losing his poise as the season progresses).
So this week they will have a quarterback who can throw what a QB needs to throw and a receiver who appears to have the makings of a very good NFL receiver. It would have been nice if the team had a pro bowl right tackle, but two out of three ain’t bad.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 26, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, that was Sims
In for Pashos. Amazing that you didn’t hear Mario Williams’ name in the 2nd half. And even Mark Roman made a huge play. With Alex, the three most criticized Niners played well. Now if only Chilo would join in.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, Sims. ...
Please.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 26, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet
he didn’t give up a sack.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 27, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
perfect example
these two sentences don’t make sense together…
He may not be very good in the end, but it won’t be because he’s a rookie without talent around him.
Since the last time he played in a real game he’s learned to throw in anticipation of where a receiver will be, he’s got poise in the pocket, and he’s making good decisions.
how can we dismiss his previous bad performances so easily, but then ascribe all these “improvements” to his game based on one half of football? the part about him sitting and learning is something we have no possible way of knowing. are we saying that he’s “learned” because of what we saw in the 2nd half against HOU? isn’t this jumping to conclusions a little bit? if he has a bad game @ IND, do we then conclude that he hasn’t learned anything? again, i hope he succeeds. but we’re getting a little carried away here based on one half of football. just like many were saying hill’s career record as a starter was potentially misleading because of the small sample size, many should be saying that smith’s improvement is postentially misleading because it’s based on only one half of football.
by Florida Danny on Oct 26, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he has a bad game in IND
We all call Sing and idiot and start talking up Davis Squared as the next great SF connection. Duh ;)
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
an not and
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can we
dismiss what he did three or four years ago and instead go by what he did the day before yesterday?
I dunno. If your newlywed wife can’t cook and then goes to cooking class and can cook, how can you dismiss that wonderful rib roast she just served you?
The way I see it, that one half of football is at least as important as what Smith did in 2005-7. The circumstances were entirely different in 2005: there was no talent around him, Smith has matured, etc. And it was four years ago.
My point was that I don’t know how good Smith will be. And neither do you, Danny. Whether you are a gambler or a statistician you don’t know. You can give odds, but you don’t know because the future hasn’t happened. And circumstances surrounding Smith’s career have been unique and not particularly beneficial. The best thing to happen to him was a broken shoulder that allowed him to sit and learn. Perhaps Smith’s poise collapses along with the offensive line. Or maybe he goes back to throwing late to his receivers. Or the running game never opens up and the coverage is too brutal to succeed. There are all sorts of reasons to throw up your hands. But I’ll wait until they happen and he screws up royally. In the meantime I’ll enjoy the game.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 27, 2009 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
good analogy about the rib roasting wife…however,
My point was that I don’t know how good Smith will be. And neither do you, Danny. Whether you are a gambler or a statistician you don’t know. You can give odds, but you don’t know because the future hasn’t happened.
this is exactly the point i’ve been making. we don’t know. i’m erring on the side of “wait and see.” i’ve said that 3 times now…
But I’ll wait until they happen and he screws up royally. In the meantime I’ll enjoy the game.
this is the first time you’ve used the word “wait.” if that’s your view, then i agree 100%. before, you were basically saying that we’ll just assume the 2nd half @ HOU is all that matters in terms of what we should expect. you were saying that it showed he’s “learned,” etc. my whole point has been i don’t know, and i can’t base knowing on one half of football. if you’re saying the same thing now, then there’s not really anything more to disagree on.
by Florida Danny on Oct 27, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why stand on a rug?
Because it’s uncomfortable standing on the cold, hard tile of reality.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you say there was a nearby rug I could stand on?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing how people forget the last few weeks..
Over one half of football.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 26, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Fitzpatrick..
Blew up in a second half against HOU in 2005, throwing 2 tds in the half, and one td in OT. Ram fans were sure he was the second coming of Warner.
This thread reminds me of that Ram board.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 26, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did during the Martz era..
Actually, they came over to the 49er board on the same site, and would try toss smack around. So in turn, I went over and reminded them of the days of Crissy Everett, Jamie Harris, etc. They hated me so bad that I got one of them to quit as Admin after the Rams lost to the Pats, lol. I called him out, and he hid for days. A buddy of his asked me to go easy on him because he wanted to post again, ON HIS OWN BOARD.
Good times with Ram fans.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 26, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would have hated them...
As much as I did. They were horrid posters, and I had a lot of threats of being sued for defamation and slander because I was hammering Martz. They even hacked into my email account. Even though the Rams kicked the 49ers butt during that time.
I still stand here today a proud 49er fan, and I wish they were still around because I knew how their demise would come to pass.
Good times.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 27, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
name that movie
drummer’s been around and seen NFL message boards we’ve only read about in books
by Florida Danny on Oct 26, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL..
I was posting on message boards probably before the Dawn of DVOA.
That was the first 49er board I used to post on, all the way back to 1998. I still have a few iBuddies that are 49er fans from that board that post on new ones now. One of those Ram fans tried to post on one of those new boards, but he stopped posting after I told him during last pre-season that Martz would be fired at the end of the year and not have a job in the NFL after.
Never saw him post there again. =)
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 26, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just gotta ask:
i’m not a hill lover — that’s pretty obvious from my player rankings posts. i’m not a smith lover either. i want the niners offense to be the offense i think it can be.
If you don’t like either QB, know the line is the worst in the NFL, and know that our receivers aren’t anything special, then, umm… what do you realistically think the Niners offense can be? They can’t run the ball. That much is evident from the first 7 weeks. If you doubt the passing abilities of either QB, then what the Niners offense “can be” is “a pretty terrible one dimensional passing offense.” Let’s not forget this fact. Any improvement on this is a good thing. Any semblance of an improvement is a good thing.
I’m here:
"ok, i thinksmithnot relying on the running game might get us up to 20th in offense because of x, y, and z,"
I really attribute it to the more widespread application of 3/4 WR passing sets and focus on passing rather than to the Hill vs. Smith aspects (though, as you said, Smith certainly provides some things in the passing game that Hill cannot). This puts our better players on the field AND makes things much easier on the OLine. We do not have an OLine that can handle deciding who to block out of an 8-9 man front. Anything we can do to make those decisions easier will help tremendously in pass blocking, as well as run blocking.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 27, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
answers...
i didn’t say i “don’t like” either QB…i just said i don’t “love” them, as in blind, defend-to-the-death love that some people feel towards hill and smith. was just trying to stress that my argument wasn’t coming from a “hill is my hero” or “smith is my hero” frame of mind. i think both of them have their assets, and both have their flaws. i think the niners could do better than both of them at QB. that doesn’t mean i think neither can be successful. nor do i wish failure upon them, obviously.
in terms of what i think the offense can be…the line is one of the worst in the NFL, yes, but i don’t think i’ve said the niners’ receivers aren’t anything special. i’ve said isaac bruce is garbage as a starting WR right now. i love morgan and crabtree. i think VD is obviously showing glimpses this season of what we’ve all thought he could be when they drafted him. i think the OL is just holding the entire offense down, and it’s up to the coaching staff to call plays that minimize the OL’s deficiencies…kind of like how martz stopped calling 7-step drops on every passing play once singletary put hill in and told martz, “hey, buddy. we’ve given up 100 sacks in 8 games. think you could start calling plays that don’t force our OL to have to block for 10 minutes while we wait for a 40-year old WR to get downfield?” so, with smith in there, it’s up to the coaches (mostly raye) to create an offense that nullifies the OL’s ineptitude. here’s an idea: how about using a lot of bootlegs, waggles, and QB draws in the passing game to take advantage of smith’s athleticism and not make the pass-blocking tendencies so predictable for opposing defenses?
p.s. i think singletary pulled a mike nolan in his presser when he asserted the OL is constantly facing 8- and 9-man fronts. go back and look at the ATL game. ATL was playing nickel from the first snap of the game, with only 6 guys in the box, and they still couldn’t run worth a damn. i’m going to look at the HOU game, and write a post about it, because i saw a lot of the same thing. the only real difference was HOU would load up 8 guys in the box, but then only bring 4 or 5, and the OL was totally confused about who to block.
by Florida Danny on Oct 27, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn’t say i "don’t like" either QB…i just said i don’t "love" them, as in blind, defend-to-the-death love that some people feel towards hill and smith.
This will forever be a problem with the interwebz… context is key, tone does not convey, etc.
i don’t think i’ve said the niners’ receivers aren’t anything special.
That was my two cents :-P. There are easily 10 teams with better receivers, and there are others that are a toss up. A WR/TE core that’s in the middle third in a set is “not that special” with respect to that set. I too love Morgan, Crabby, and VD. But they’re not “top quality” yet.
so,with smith in there,it’s up to the coaches (mostly raye) to create an offense that nullifies the OL’s ineptitude.
Fixed it. Now, as you said, Alex Smith being a bit more mobile does provide a number of options for how to get this done:
how about using a lot of bootlegs, waggles, and QB draws in the passing game to take advantage of smith’s athleticism and not make the pass-blocking tendencies so predictable for opposing defenses?
Ummm… yes, please? I think part of the problem is that Sing & Raye want to operate a “Defense first, power running team.” But his offensive personnel does not support this strategy at all. They’ve gone from We’re a power running team to
I want to strive more for balance, but I want to run the ball when we want to run the ball. That’s what I’ve always said. I have not shied away from that. I want a balanced attack.
This is called seeing the hand you’ve been dealt. I hope this is actually the plan. Clearly, the power run is not working.
HOU would load up 8 guys in the box, but then only bring 4 or 5, and the OL was totally confused about who to block.
And this is why I thought spreading it out was so effective in the second half. It really limited the number of defenders in the box and mitigated the OL confusion. Having Gore back to help with blitzers helped too.
I agree that either Hill or Smith can be effective enough with our best players on the field if Raye can put the OL in easy positions. Smith is more mobile and probably a better option if we plan to have our QB running bootlegs and sneaks, but really it’s got to be about making things easier for th LOL. Clearly, the “We’re a smash mouth rushing team, you know what we’re gonna do and you still can’t stop us” mentality isn’t gonna work, because… uhh… they can stop us. Pretty easily, in fact.
We’re 3-3 with that terrible offense. Any improvement in the offensive performance should improve the W/L outcome.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 27, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re 3-3 with that terrible offense. Any improvement in the offensive performance should improve the W/L outcome.
agreed
by Florida Danny on Oct 27, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i shouldn't forget to add...
that, as i’ve said on other threads…from the research i’ve done, improvement in pass offense DVOA is the biggest predictor (besides strength of schedule, which you can’t know until after the season’s over, so it doesn’t count) of win/loss improvement.
by Florida Danny on Oct 27, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious...
improvement in pass offense DVOA is the biggest predictor
Is this “in general” or “for the Niners?”
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 27, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in general...
i’ve done an analysis on the 49ers from 1996-2008, and there are some interesting findings despite the small sample size. i’ll write it up one day, probably during the offseason. the main thing is that the 49ers have kind of ridden the wave of their WR corps over the past 13 years, moreso than QBs.
by Florida Danny on Oct 27, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i should add...
that this is the opposite of FO’s fnding that QB play is more important than WR play. but that introduces a whole methodological discussion that’s sure to put everyone to sleep.
by Florida Danny on Oct 27, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
....
What? Damn, drooled on the pillow again. Sorry, what were you saying?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 27, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im drinking the cool aid and it tastes delicious
49ers al Grito de Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 26, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Since I don't have my hands on the family fortune
and won’t be gambling anything away, I’ll have a tall glass of that stuff. Mmmm. Tastes great.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 26, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kool-Aid.
It’s a brand name, man.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 26, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad lol
49ers al Grito de Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 26, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we could get Gruden to be OC
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gruden
Make Smith learn another offense? At least his resume will look good for playing in any type of offense…
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gruden makes his QB’s learn a different offense each week. Alex Smith would be more prepared than any QB to deal with Gruden.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I was thinking before Raye
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 26, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
before Raye
The whole selection process for OC seemed like an ugly chick desperately looking for a date a week before prom. I remember hoping that we would end up with someone that would last at least 2 years in hopes of some kind of continuity, and when I heard the hire and looked up his info.. wow
by marinfrs on Oct 27, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why you gotta throw the ugly chicks into this?
by bignerd on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its the only ones Raye can get
Judgment day is coming!
by Widowwolf on Oct 27, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep perspective come Sunday afternoon
Win or lose. If Alex has a 23/32 290 yards 3 TD 0 INT game, it will say great things about us going forward into a much more winnable part of our schedule. If the Colts expose some flaws within our entire offense and Smith has a 25/40 275 2 TD 2 INT game playing catchup, it doesn’t mean he’s reverted to 2007. He’s till a young QB and making his first start in 2 years. Sure, D-coordinators will now watch film and develop a plan of attack for him. In response, going forward Smith can watch film and adjust to their adjustments. Obviously the O-line plays a big part in this and playing in the dome on turf against Freeny and Mathis will be as tough as it will be all season. But what an opportunity for everyone on offense to prove something.
One thing for sure: if Alex is anywhere near as good as yesterday, we’ll not only see what type of receiving weapons we have on offense but we’ll find out just how much of this has been Jimmy Raye’s fault.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'll take the under
on alex smith o/u 275 yards passing @ IND
by Florida Danny on Oct 26, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL..
Whole lotta z0mg! going on in this thread.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 26, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a fan post labeled, "Playoffs?"
I haven’t had the stomach to click on it yet.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still have a shot at playoffs
If we can do 10-6 or 9-7 we might make it this year as weak as the NFC West is. Even an 8-8 season might do it if we sweep the division.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs?
Playoffs?
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Sunday the Colts could be returning the favor.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just speculation on the Niners odds of making the playoffs
Nothing too bad.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 27, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the o/u on Mark Roman 0.5 INTs?
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too high, I say its at 0.
Cause I would bet even money on roman somehow coming in at Qb and throwing a pick as much as him making one on defense
by Sloan on Oct 26, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's easy...
i’ll lay 50-1 odds on the under…that gives me an expected profit of $3 on a $1 bet because he has only 1 INT in 54 games as a niner. :-)
by Florida Danny on Oct 26, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, o/u stat line on number of times Manning targets Roman in coverage?
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets see
Manning gets about 30 or so attempts a game, so 30
by Sloan on Oct 26, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much
I have to believe Manning and Reggie Wayne are going to setup a few double moves on Clements.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH, they wont do that
not unless they watch film and then….oh right. Peyton.
by Sloan on Oct 26, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
but they can just have Roman be the help and back up Clem— oh right. Roman,
by mountaindew77 on Oct 26, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
That’s along the lines of Chilo and Kwame teamed up on the right side of the line.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be exciting though
You could make bets on whether it would be false start or holding, its a mystery on every play!
by Sloan on Oct 26, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make bets on whose assigment is going to get to the QB first
Will Kwame catch a piece of toe as he is falling to the ground or does the defender attempt a swim move on Chilo while realizing he’s never going to lay a finger on him?
As much as I’ve bashed Barry Sims the defender at least has to spend a half second stepping over him before moving onto the QB. Come to think of it, I was sentimental towards the Barry Sims era two weeks ago.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or does the defender attempt a swim move on Chilo while realizing he’s never going to lay a finger on him?
Seriously, how does this happen? How does an interior lineman fail to even touch the guy he’s supposed to be blocking???
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 27, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex will start unless he throws interceptions.
He has to make preventing turnovers a priority or you might as well bring back Hill.
by Vertigo on Oct 26, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont think it matters
Even if Smith’s good, it seems like he’s so brittle that he’ll be injured too much to count on him anyway.
Other kids may be sayin' hi-ho, but The Gooch just says yo.
by whobob on Oct 26, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where is shecklo?
Calling Alex Smith injury prone induces is wrath.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brittle? As opposed to
Donovan McNabb? Hasselbeck? Bulger?
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 26, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith was hurt once
And never fully recovered. He was tossed back into the lineup too soon after the original injury to say he was fully healed up.
by smileyman on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only QB in franchise history to play every snap in a season.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Oct 26, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else want to debate with Singletary that Chilo got beat on a stunt?
Was there a second sack that I missed? The one I am thinking of must have been the most devious stunt of all time. A 39 year old, rotating defensive linemen setup right in front of Chilo and blew by him running in a straight line after his 2nd step.
by bignerd on Oct 26, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
Just an arbitrary question since records and playoffs are coming into play….given the past 6 seasons, and how theyve gone, is there any Niner fan here who wouldnt take a 3-3 start with 3-0 in the division if it was offered at the beginning of the preseason? I know I would have taken it.
by Sloan on Oct 26, 2009 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're using perspective
Some people prefer pessimism. This Sunday’s result is going to bring one heavy does of one or the other.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would...
have gladly taken 3-3…if 2 of the 3 losses didn’t give me nolan era deja vu.
by Florida Danny on Oct 26, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would have been
If not for BF! Curses! I loved the cussing free for all after the Vikes loss. Except for the loss part
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 26, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Indianapolis Game Is Big
Arizona should walk all over Carolina which means if we lose to Indianapolis which is no stretch then we are two games behind Arizona.
NFC West Standing
Arizona 4-2
San Francisco 3-3
Seattle 2-4
St. Louis 0-7
NFC Wildcard Standings
Dallas 4-2
Green Bay 4-2
Atlanta 4-2
Philadelphia 4-2
San Francisco 3-3
Chicago 3-3
All this said the 49ers can beat Indianapolis. But as in every other game they must avoid the turnovers and the offensive line must come through. Freeney and Mathis are monsters coming off the edge. But the 49ers have the advantage when it comes to the Colts back 7. Davis should be able to find himself open all day up the middle. Not one Colts LB or Safety can guard him 1-1 which means they may have to double up the middle leaving Crabtree, Bruce and Morgan on 1-1 coverage in the slot or on the outside. The obvious key is giving Smith time to pass because he will get the ball there and Crabs and Morgan will get the necessary separation going up against talented but young corners. i am looking for Crabtree to break out with his first 100 yard receiving game
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81 on Oct 26, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this another..
“Reasons for Optimism” thought?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 26, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith has a lot of potential
The scouting reports from 2005 generally said Smith had more potential than Aaron Rodgers, but that he was not ready for the NFL.
“Smith has all the intangibles, is very coachable and has only scratched the surface of his vast potential. Cal QB Aaron Rodgers is closer to being a finished product.”
Smith was poorly coached and plagued by shoulder problems. I think this time around he is ready and will do well. We can only hope.
This is not really a QB controversy. A QB controversy is when you have two guys, like Young and Montana, who are both bona-fide starters and playoff QB’s. Here the question is whether we have one or zero. Hill is a great guy and a solid back-up, but no scouting report has ever suggested he was a starter or potential pro-bowl QB.
I hope Smith does well.
by zacksf on Oct 26, 2009 8:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
True
And now that he’s named the starter you can either say, “He sucks because the Niners sucked in 2005” or you can hope, and I do mean hope, that he plays well and leads the team to some victories with a lot more weapons than it’s had in about a decade.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 27, 2009 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it me or for some reason when I was watching play yesterday this version of him showed up instead of the guy that’s been playing for the 49ers since 05?
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by miksar617 on Oct 26, 2009 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well look back at that video and what do you notice when Smith passes the ball?
He has plenty of time to throw the ball. I feel like with a good o-line, he can dominate. I’ve always felt that was the reason why he hasn’t lived up to his potential. We need to draft o-linemen or something, because they need help.
by Tim Weiss on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the o line needs to give Smith time on Sunday in order for us to get a chance
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 26, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thought about the O Line
Smith was not sacked in the second half. Sure he did a great job of moving in the pocket and getting rid of the football early.
There is much more to the success than that. A lot of people have mentioned that since the DB’s respect Smith’s deep ball it causes them to back up. This is true, and very important. This is even more vital on 3rd and long, because the blitz now comes with a downside.
There is another reason that Smith wasn’t sacked. When you line up 3, 4, or 5 wide you have to have a much smaller personnel on the field. That gives the 49ers an advantage with all kinds of match-ups. One thing that Crabs Morgan and especially Vernon have in common is their size. This should go a long way for us.
One more thing. What about MRob on offense. We havn’t seen much of him. I suspect with Smith and the new offense in there that we will see a lot more MRob out of the backfield.
by goatfather on Oct 27, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sacks
It also helps when the defensive line is on teh filed for more than three plays. Having to actually defend a team and be out there for 3-6 minutes of game time, and 6-10 plays actually puts them to work. If you only need three plays and play “down-hill” it’s pretty easy to rush the QB.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 27, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
What about MRob on offense. We havn’t seen much of him. I suspect with Smith and the new offense in there that we will see a lot more MRob out of the backfield.
Care to share any reasoning behind this?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 27, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goatstradamus
I believe a certain father of goats predicted that Smith would be starting by game 8
by goatfather on Oct 27, 2009 9:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On using more of a three receiver formation with Alex Smith going forward:
“We’re going to do whatever we need to do win. Three receiver, four receiver, five receiver, I don’t care. We’re going to do whatever we need to do to win. But we’re going to run the ball.”
Can someone please remind me why Jimmy Raye was hired? Honestly, this is stuff that Mike Martz could have been doing. I’m not advocating the possibility of that, or even saying that it should have happened, but you’ve got to admit that hiring Martz for the 2008 season, firing him, and then bringing in the personnel that could actually run his system one year later (to work under a coordinator that had little intention of using those players) is a bit of a head-scratcher.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
by shlecko on Oct 27, 2009 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Martz still would not have worked. There is still a notable difference between a passing offense and Mike Martz’s offense. Martz doesn’t care if his offense gives up 4 INTs per game. Singletary wasn’t going to go forward with that parameter.
I do get what you are saying with the teams direction. Singletary says he wants a team that can control the clock and run the ball so the front office brings in a bunch of receivers and ignores the offensive line.
by bignerd on Oct 27, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least they seem to be making progress
Preseason: We’re a power rushing team
Week 1: We’re a power rushing team, crap, we need a drive in the 4th quarter, PASS THE BALL!
Week 2: We’re a power rushing team, who cares that Gore just broke through the line and got lucky twice against a (in retrospect) pretty bad team. We’re a 2-0 power rushing team
Week 3: We’re a power rushing team, crap, we need a drive in the 4th quarter, PASS THE BALL!
Week 4: We’re a power rushing team, who cares that we only put up 14 offensive points (on two passing TDs) against the single worst team in the league. We’re still a power rushing team, but we might work in some more passing.
Week 5: We’re a power rushing team, crap, we can’t execute anything or even catch a break. Oh well, that was a fluke game, we’re still a power rushing team that occasionally works in passing.
Week 7: We’re a power rushing team, crap, that just really doesn’t work at all does it. Let’s come out throwing in the second half. Hey, it worked! We’re a balanced run/pass team, that’s what I’ve always said! When I said “we’re a power rushing team” I meant “we want to run the ball when we want to run the ball, duh.”
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 27, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To get Gore going...
I think Raye should do what the Falcons did against the niners.Line up two TE’s two back and Crabtree. Now let Davis and Crabtree lined up on the same side and have Walker as an extra blocker. Davis and Crabs run a pass pattern.This will loosen up that side since the defense will be force to run coverage. Then let Gore run a sweep on the other side. With an extra TE and Norris blocking this will open up Frank Gore . We all know what Frank can do once he’s on the open field. Mathis and Freeney are all agressive rushers and this will play against their strength like what Atlanta did with the 9ers defense.
Then on a traditional formation, just have Vernon Davis shift.Again like what Atlanta Falcons did with the 9ers. This will force them to put Sanders on VD.Davis is starting to get attention and this is one way to utilize him. This will also keep the defense honest and will have them keep guessing whether it’s a pass play or not.
by miksar617 on Oct 27, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That formation still forces the linemen to decide who to block
They’ve been terrible at it so far, I don’t expect that to change. Inevitably, one of the linemen or linebackers will sprint through a hole in the OLine and tackle Gore in the backfield, or at least screw up the play. Sweeps don’t work without half decent offensive lines because it requires them to hold blocks for longer.
We should spread them out so the line can work with a less complicated defensive box, for both rushing and passing. If they start crowding the box, we HAVE to make them pay by making throws over the D. It’s pretty simple. the blocking needs to be good enough to give whoever’s QB enough time to find the receiver who wins his 1 on 1 battle.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 27, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Highlights
I was watching some Alex Smith Highlights on youtube, and I see #84 (and 82) a lot, but that was before 2008, who was 84?
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by chili01 on Oct 27, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
(84)Bryan Gilmore and(82) Eric Johnson(2006) , Darrel Jackson (2007)
by miksar617 on Oct 27, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also in 2005 Johnnie Morton was 84
That was Smith’s first season.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 27, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
82 is Darrell Jackson
And after some research I believe 84 was Bryan Gilmore? I don’t remember him a whole lot.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 27, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
is there like website that lists this stuff? i’ve been searching and I only find jerserys for sale lol
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by chili01 on Oct 27, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just search
a history of 49ers rosters. That usually provides stats, jersey numbers, etc.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 27, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.pro-football-reference.com
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Receivers to open up play action
With a threat like Crabtreee now the D’s will have to respect the 49er passing game.Especially with Alex Smith in there. That could open it up for more play action plays and open up the running game more.
by Smallville49er on Oct 27, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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