Golden Nuggets: Looking for an o-line, any o-line..
by James Brady on Oct 28, 2009 3:00 AM PDT
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Well, maybe not the Packers o-line. Anyway, the 49ers made some moves yesterday, though I'm not sure how to take them. Or rather, I'm not sure how I feel about losing T Tony Pashos to IR. I mean of course it's never good to see somebody hurt but at the same time I feel that he wasn't playing so well at RT and his promotion to starter came because he was simply there. Still, does this mean Barry Sims gets the start? If so, I doubt I'll even watch the Colts game because I have zero faith in him whatsoever. Still, the team did promote a certain linebacker to the active roster, a certain linebacker that I happen to think can be really good when it all comes down to it. So I've got some links for you, should be a good day news wise but I'm still not optimistic about the game on Sunday and I doubt I will be at any point.
The 49ers lost Tony Pashos to injured reserve yesterday with a shoulder injury. (PressDemocrat.com)
They then signed a tackle from the Chief's practice squad who I've never heard of. (SacBee.com)
LB Marques Harris was released yesterday as well, and the 49ers elevated Diyral Briggs from the practice squad. This move I have a small bit of optimism for, seeing as how I believe Briggs can be a great LB of the future. (49ers.com)
Here's a look at the 49ers wide receivers, or rather, who the receivers will be for the future of the franchise. (SacBee.com)
There are those who think QB Alex Smith can play. There are those that think he will be very good. Then there are those like me and well.. I'll not get into it. (NFL.com)
I mean, it really will be hard for me to adjust. Can Alex be a different quarterback this time around? We'll see. (SFGate.com)
How about some Insight on Indy? A look at the team that the 49ers are playing on Sunday. (49ers.com)
Here's The Wrap Up for last Sunday's game against Houston. (49ers.com)
QB Shaun Hill says fellow signal caller Alex Smith has improved over the four years he's seen him. (PressDemocrat.com)
The team seems to be playing it safe with S Michael Lewis, which is a good thing to me. He's a good player with good instincts and I'd hate to lose him for the season and possibly his career by throwing caution aside. (SFGate.com)
What all do the 49ers have to worry about? A lot more than just the quarterback situation, it seems. (MercuryNews.com)
There's a bit of an update on the 49ers new stadium, but I didn't take the time to read this article, I confess. I just don't follow it with much interest, is all. (MercuryNews.com)
Why don't you head over and answer any questions Colts fans have for us Niner fans at SBNation's resident Colts blog? While you're at it, if you have any questions for them head over to their thread at NN here. (StampedeBlue/NinersNation.com)
Why not head over to NFL.com and do some pro bowl voting? Of course if you feel like any 49ers deserve it, vote for them, I try to keep mine realistic. I voted for TE Vernon Davis, ILB Patrick Willis and C Eric Heitman. I hate this though, how early this voting is. It's pretty much a joke at this point, but oh well. (NFL.com)
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Alex has never been given a real shot
As a rook the guy played behind an all-time bad offensive line. He was literally getting hit while coming out of his 3 step drop several times a game. That’s about 1 second of protection. You could have a hybrid of the best elements of Joe Montana and Michael Vick and Ben Rothwell and he wouldn’t succeed with that little time to pass. The last 6 games of 06 and the first 3 of 07 Hill led several game winning 4th quarter drives by making plays with his feet and his arm. The guy has talent and the deer in headlights argument is bulls5!t. The best the greatest QBs of all time could hope to do with no weapons, no running game and no O-line is survive. Alex was trying to make do with that as the youngest player in the league at 21.
His second year he showed improvement and the third year scumbag Nolan threw him under the bus and did his best to destroy his throwing arm. Alex is finally healthy to the point where he can play again and this time he has people to throw it to. The guy has the talent and mental acumen to be a top notch NFL starter. The only question is can we keep him healthy for the rest of the year with an O-line that now injury riddled is going to start resembling the line he had as a rookie. If we can expect great things in the future.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 28, 2009 4:38 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
“The last 6 games of 06 and the first 3 of 07 ALEX led several game winning 4th quarter drives…”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 28, 2009 4:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Word
I really don’t understand why there are so many Alex Smith haters. After 2006 when the 9ers went 7-9 there was so much talk about them being THE upstart franchise, Gore, Davis and Smith were all erady to step up and become a good team. I still have the article from ESPN the Mag. They had a six page spread on why the 49ers were suddenly relevent and Alex Smith was part of that!!! Then came 2007 and the woeful Jim Hostler. They went 2-0, then lost to the Steelers from there they played Seattle and that’s when Smith got hurt. How could you hold him responsible for ANYTHING that has happened since?
by return2greatness on Oct 28, 2009 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
EXACTLY
That’s what I’ve always said about the Smith situation. Everything around him was falling apart, and he takes the blame because of the expectations the so called “Faithful” had in him. He’s got plenty of weapons around him now, we can’t go wrong.
If anyone is concerned about his INT habits… I once heard of this great QB… I think his name was Brett Favre (pronounced Farve) who is the all time leader in INT’s, and he didn’t turn out so bad.
One thing is guaranteed. The offense will put up more points with Smith leading the offense. Sure we can all make the excuse that the Texans didn’t prepare for Smith. The only thing I saw happening is the Texans didn’t expect a decent “Passing Game”. The opposing defenses will show respect to Smith’s ability, and leave some doors open for Frank Gore to do his thing.
Smith isn't Farve. If he was...
The Texans game would be in the win column. Smith just doesn’t pull a lot of rabbits out of his hat to make up for the dumb ints. I would also point out that the guy the 49ers passed on in GB has managed to get things done some of the time, despite an equally horrible O-line.
He actually has weapons
Alex seemed to get something done with weapons all of a sudden too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 28, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Get back to me about Smith in 3-4 weeks...
I’ll give him a mulligan if he sucks in the Colts game. I remain deeply skeptical. My money’s on this last game being a fluke. OTH, right now, I agree with the decision to go with Smith. Given how lousy Hill’s been looking, you have to do something. His lack of production is now losing games just like a lot of turnovers would. Unfortunately, Smith is the only option. Maybe Davis could be tried next year, but certainly not this one.
Whether we disagree on Smith or not...
Thank god you’re one of the people that realizes the worst thing we could possibly do is put Davis in there right now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Oct 29, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets not forget the Madden Curse
That’s gonna be the only thing to save our season!
The only real hope is "On Any Given Sunday"
Indy is the class of the NFL. Sometimes there are matchups that aren’t apparent, sometimes a great team comes out really flat and never picks it up. Sometimes a lesser team plays way over its head. Sometimes a team improves in an unexpected spurt and goes up to the next level.
Otherwise, the team shows up and is cut up with surgeon-like precision by Manning.
The Niners are an interesting team because it’s got a resurrected quarterback and a great new wide receiver. Suddenly the plodding offense of the first third of the season has grown a pair of wings.
One move I’d like to see is for Brandon Jones to be dressed on Sunday just to put him in randomly to run deep routes. Suddenly the field is opened up.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 28, 2009 8:02 AM PDT reply actions
This is how you know Billick is FOS
"Do they want to put him back into the formation and format of running the ball and playing good defense, which they’ve been fairly good with, or…
“Playing good defense?” Check, though not for 6 quarters in there.
“Running the ball?” Umm… Brian, our unis don’t look like the Dolphins, so clearly you’re off your rocker.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 28, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions
I hope Briggs is one of the gameday 45
I would like to see him get some 3rd down pass-rushing opportunities. Come in fresh, on the turf, and see if he can he can provide some pressure. He’s certain to get man blocked. Let’s see what the kid can do.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The solution to our O-Line problem
Draft, draft and draft. Rachal is looking like a POS, but I wouldn’t say give up on him just yet. However, we desperately need some help at RT and LG (when we let Baas walk). So I suggest the team drafts two tackles and a guard – no matter what. I don’t care if they have reach on a guy in round 2 to get a guard or tackle.
As for the remainder of this season, we’ll probably have to put up with Barry Sims at RT, but that’s better than having Barry Sims at LT (or Kwame Harris at RT for that matter). Adam Snyder has always been a better interior lineman in my opinion, so I think the team keeps him in the RG rotation with Rachal. There’s now way Chilo could make a move to the outside with his mediocre pass protect skills.
Some people may be thinking Alex Boone, but I think he needs more time developing and learning before getting significant reps. Sadly, we’re going to have to wait until next draft to get some O-Line help that matters. The bright side? If Alex Smith pans out, at least we won’t have to invest one of the first-round picks in a QB. Maybe, just maybe, we can get an edge-rusher and OT in the first round for a change. Maybe.
by Andrew Davidson on Oct 28, 2009 11:20 AM PDT reply actions
Let Baas walk?
I kind of figured he’d just trip over the door frame and end up laying on his back or face outside of 49ers HQ.
by James Brady on Oct 28, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
He won't be getting a Justin Smiley style contract
that’s a fact.
by Andrew Davidson on Oct 28, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
You are aware, of course..
That I was implying that we need to get rid of him ASAP because he has no footwork and always ends up on his back, right?
by James Brady on Oct 28, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, I am
and by my comment, you are aware that I was implying letting Baas go wouldn’t hurt us much, and that the demand for him won’t include a midnight signing similar to the way Smiley was scooped up by the Dolphins.
by Andrew Davidson on Oct 29, 2009 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Baas
I’m actually open to retaining him if he gets a Wragge-type contract, where it’s practically league-minimum. I really don’t know what the demand would be for Baas in the open market, but I definitely think the 49ers should let him test it so he can come back with his tail between his legs.
And by...
… “retaining him,” I mean more as a potential backup, as he’s fairly versatile. Think a younger version of Wragge (who’s also a FA this offseason, no?).
If one more person says versatile
I’m leaving this site forever.
by James Brady on Oct 28, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Versatile.
Like it or not, backups need to be versatile, otherwise you end up occupying more of your game-day actives with offensive linemen who may never even see the field.
So again, “versatile.”
Backups need to be good.
Not “versatile.” Every single article about the 49ers bringing in a player NEVER says “a good player,” it always says “a versatile player.”
“Coach, what do you like about [x player]?”
“Well I like ‘em. He’s extremely versatile and can do so and so for us…” Just sick of it.
Also, am I correct in assuming you want me gone from NN?
Want you gone?
No. I’m just suggesting you’ve come to a very narrow-minded conclusion. If you want to leave because people think that a versatile backup offensive lineman is a good thing, that’s your prerogative.
In an ideal world, backups will be good AND versatile. However, in a world where teams generally like to carry 7 offensive linemen going into a game, versatility will almost always be in the backups’ descriptions.
Sigh.
Come on, seriously? Am I not allowed to joke anymore? Are you seriously thinking I’m seriously thinking about leaving this place? Still. That aside..
If you think I’m just talking about o-lineman you’re crazy. All I hear anymore about any player coming into the 49ers organization is how versatile they are, yet when I see them play they’re nothing but trash. Utter trash. David Baas is a sorry lineman when he starts which means he’ll be a sorry lineman when he backs up any starter. I’m just sick of that word being used as an excuse to keep someone around a la Tony Wragge, Barry Sims, Micheal Spurlock, Arnaz Battle and also being used as an excuse to get rid of players who could possibly be something good/be coached up to it a la Kory Sheets and Bear Pascoe.
In short, I don’t have much a problem at all with David Baas, nor am I honestly furious at the use of that word. It was a passing statement said very lightly and you’re analyzing my frustrations far too closely.
Internets
The internets doesn’t translate lightness very well. You’ve pushed that “no versatility” point a couple times in a very short period of time, so I just took it as a serious gripe.
In any case, I understand your frustrations. While I believe that versatility is a must for backup offensive linemen, I truly don’t think versatility is needed in backups for positions like DB, WR, and all that, as they get on the field more. Having pure WRs doesn’t hurt, and I’ve said it a few times this season that Spurlock (and to a lesser extent, Battle) is a waste of 53-man space.
In any case, my fault for “over analyzing” a statement you made partially in jest.
It is a gripe it's just
I wouldn’t honestly claim to leave the site over it. I’m just frustrated with this team, as always.
The only "vers-----" player I want
Is someone who is very good at their respective skill position but who is also a very good kick returner. That’s versatility we can believe in.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
" I SAID SPREAD THE DEFENSE"
see what happens when you listen to me? i just hope that they continue to do it…. let brandon get in the mix…
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