New Official Michael Crabtree FanPost
by David Fucillo on Oct 5, 2009 9:01 AM PDT
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PrintI was looking over the site this evening and I noticed that we have an overwhelming number of FanPosts dedicated to the Michael Crabtree contract dispute. I am glad people are joining in the discussion, but we are once again at a point where we need to confine this discussion before it takes over the entire site.
Feel free to continue posting in the existing FanPosts but for the sanity of everybody and general clarity on the site, for the time being please do not create new Michael Crabtree FanPosts. When you get a moment please Rec this FanPost so it will stay near the top and allow folks to generate all sorts of discussion in a single space. Even when it's Rec'd up to the top, keep Rec'ing it. The more Recs the longer it will stay up top without needing to update the publishing date.
I will say that I like grantmp's idea for the Crabtree Contract Prediction Game. So make sure and go enter your prediction for the result.
Big thanks to smileyman for coming up with a quick FAQ to answer some of the frequent questions related to the Michael Crabtree holdout. We'll add more FAQ as they come up.
1. When is the deadline for signing him? NIners must come to an agreement by Nov 17 if Crabtree is to play in 2009. If they sign him after that point he's inelgible for play until 2010.
2. What about trading him? March 1 is the day he becomes eligible for a trade. The Niners will have from that date until the first day of the 2010 draft to work out some sort of trade agreement with another team. However, Crabtree could not sign a new contract with that team until after the 2010 draft.
3. What about redrafting him? This is a popular sentiment. A stupid one, but popular (why we want to redraft someone if we can't come to an agreement in the first place?). Per the CBA, if a player sits out and reenters the draft he can not be drafted by the original team.
4. Is there precedent for players sitting out and being redrafted? Yes. The best example is Bo Jackson. He was selected as the first overall pick by Tampa Bay in 1986. His new team did not want him playing baseball and gave him an ultimatum. He refused to sign and re-entered the draft. He was picked in the 7th round with the 183rd overall pick.
In 1987 the Cardinals picked QB Kelly Stouffer with the 6th overall pick. He also refused to sign and sat out the entire season. His rights were dealt to the Seahawks for a 5th round pick in the 1988 draft, and another 5th rounder in the 1989.
This does not give Crabtree much leverage. If he's expecting better money next year by re-entering the draft he's deluding himself. If he simply doesn't want to play for the 49ers he should let us know and we can get him signed.
5. Where's the dispute? Couple of things are up for dispute here. One is the contract length. We'd like to see fixe or six years, Parker wants a contract for four years. The other sticking point is the guaranteed money. We're offering around 17-18 million. Crabtree seems to want Hewyward-Bey money which is 23.5million guaranteed.
Since the 9th overall pick signed a 5 year deal worth 28 million (18 million guaranteed), it's hard to see how we could justify giving him more. I think the real sticking point is the length of the contract. Shorter contract means less time untill free agency when the big bucks can really come in.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Why the 49ers SHOULDN'T sign Crabtree
With week 4 on the horizon, I have realized that maybe things are working out for the best. With Crabtree still unsigned, I’m not sure that we would be better off by signing him and ending the longest draft pick holdout the NFL has seen in a long time. Below are my reasons that letting Crabtree go may just be in the best intrests of the team.
1. Salary cap: By not having to commit to the guaranteed money a #10 pick will command, we have more flexibility for next year and possibly beyond.
2. Next years draft: We have 2 first round picks next year. One of which is looking more and more like it may be a top 5 pick, which we recieved in exchange for a second round pick. In most drafts, There is usually a team out there willing to package a first and a second in exchange for a top 5 pick. If you look at in the broader spectrum, we inadvertantly traded up in next years draft.
3. Team chemistry: Remember the early rears of this decade? There was an un-named WR with the initials of TO who put personal interests ahead of the team. A win wasn’t good enough if he wasn’t satisfied with the amount of passes thrown his way. Teamates were alienated, coaches left vulnerable, and fans left empty. In the first year of true hope since, do really need the energy drain that would follow a Crabtree signing?
4. Bad fit: After 3 games, it is obvious that the offense is not geared to a #1 WR. That is just not the way Jimmy Raye runs an offense. After 7 (is this an NFL record?) offensive coordinators in 7 years, I believe that coach Sing is looking to find long term consistency throughout the team. would he really become the next great wideout, or would he be just another guy lined up outside?
5. Medical risk: I have heard reports that Crabtree hasn’t signed because of his foot injury. I doubt that is why, but I have to wonder if that injury may be something that can hold back a productive career. Do we really need someone out there who may possibly never be 100%.
6. Relationship with rest of NFL: Paying a #10 pick with top 5 or so money would send negative waves throughout the league. Trades would become less likely. The league would watch us more closely in hopes to punish us for caving in to rookie demands. And as our baseball friends in China Basin have showed us, bad sighings are followed by more bad signings. Agents would label us as suckers, causing us to get less value for the dollar.
Comments and/or arguements welcomed.
by remembertheCATCH on Oct 3, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions
1 – The salary cap will no longer exist at the end of this season.
2 – If we signed Crabtree, this could all still be true.
3 – Shouldn’t be a problem with Singletary as the coach. Crabtree isn’t T.O. And I’m pretty sure T.O. never complained when he had Steve Young throwing to him, kind of a high standard to measure other QBs up to, but if I started my career with Steve Young, I’d get annoyed with fops like Romo too.
4 – A good OC runs an offense based on the weapons he has to use. There’s no way San Francisco is going to stay a playoff contender without a dangerous passing game.
5 – He recovered from his injury months ago and doesn’t have an history of being injury prone in college.
6 – First off, (site decorum) the rest of the league. They’ll trade or make deals with us when it’s in their best interests too. Second, we should only sign Crabtree when he gives in and accepts what we’re offering him.
So the only reason I can think of NOT to sign Crabtree would be IF signing him meant giving in to Eugene Parker’s ridiculous demands.
And the only logical reason I can think of for Crabtree not taking what the Niners have offered him is because another team has promised him more.
Losing a 1st round top 10 draft pick is a HUGE LOSS, both for this season and over the long term. If we don’t sign Crabtree and get nothing for it, then we’ve really been hurt. I’m sure Singletary and the Niners could just shake it off – but that’s minus a young, top 10 talent player that could be helping us in a much needed skill position. Seems like a lot of fans don’t realize the cost of losing a 1st round draft pick is a (undefinable but certain) number of games lost instead of won, if not this season, then sometime in the future.
"We’ll see them again in the playoffs." - Mike Singletary, right after the Week 3 Minnesota game
The only reason I would like the 49ers to sign Crabtree is that Davis will one day be our starting QB
Davis has already shown promise they are bring him up slowly, which will only help him. The 49ers found a way to visually help him learn the system and he could be our future QB.
If the 49ers sign Crabtree then Davis / Crabtree could be the Montana/Rice or Young/Rice combo of the future.
I personally would like to see Jerry Jones and all of this coaches and FO, scouts and Deion put on Lie detector tests to see if they have been tampering… It will never happen but it would be great if it did.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
This is the point that a lot of people seem to be missing.
The “we’re doing fine! We’re 2-1 without Crabtree!” argument is bunk. We didn’t draft him so he’d come in and play for us just this year. We drafted him with the idea of having a weapon at the WR position for the next 5 or 6 years. What happens when Bruce retires next year? What happens if Davis works out or we stumble upon a great QB prospect? Wouldn’t we want whoever is under center to have as many weapons as possible going forward? Even if Crabtree holds out for 10 games this year, it’s still worth it to sign him because he’ll be on our team for several seasons after this.
All this being said, however, I don’t think it would make much sense for us to cave to his demands and shell out $40 million just to appease his ego. All I’m saying is that we should not completely give up on him until we have no other choice.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Oct 4, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Davis
The staff likes Davis, but I hope they are not already laying their hopes in him (and I am sure that they have not). In the meantime, there is a season to playout, and this will be answered as that goes along.
2, 3, 4 & 6
rtC, you nailed it on these.
The Niners have a plan, I don’t believe it includes a primadona wide receiver. Good luck in the 2010 draft, Mr. Crabtree.
Truth has a well-known liberal bias.
Some thoughts
1. We’re 40 million under salary cap. We can afford it. Next year will be uncapped anyway so it won’t matter.
2. I’d rather spend our draft picks on O-line and a QB of the future. I’m not convinced that any of those who are on the roster are the franchise QB.
3. Sing won’t let a player destroy the chemeistry. Look what he did to Vernon Davis and how Davis has turned it around this year. Crabtree will shape up or ship out.
4. Our offense isn’t geared to a number 1 receiver because we don’t have a number one. We need a guy that makes the defense respect him. One that can go up and make those tough catches and blow past DBs and CBs. Much as I like what Davis has done this year he’s not that guy. Nor is Battle or Bruce.
5. Crabtree’s ankle will be fine. He’s not signing for the money, pure and simple.
6. He won’t get top 5 money. Besides, what business is it to the rest of the NFL what we pay our guys?
If he’ll sign we need to do it. We can’t afford to waste a number 1 pick, especially when we need a #1 WR so badly.
T O Crabtree
I remember the catch and it wasn’t T O or Crabtree. it ws snaged by a well respected, team player (TEAM PLAYER), not a selfish, egotist out for the money ( both of them ) and the unearned fame ( TO ). a lot of players bhave given up salery to stay on the niners team. steve young, jerry rice, smith. etc. so don’t reward selflessness with selfishness. trade him to detroit or the dolphins. they need ANYBODY they can get. lol
TO made his share of catches in a Niner uni
He had/has his problems, but he was/is an excellent football player.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
If he signs what we offered, keep him.
Otherwise……………………………Crabtree who?
With our owner being ignored when he reached out to the Crabtree camp, it’s evident he has a team telling him what they will give him. Personally I think it’s the cowboys!
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I think so too
I have a feeling cowboys talked with crabtree or his agent. Crabtrees dad loves the cowboys, deion sanders has connections with cowboys still. I don’t know I just feel they did something.
by 49ersAllTheWay on Oct 4, 2009 4:32 AM PDT up reply actions
If he sits out and re-enters and goes 2nd round...his new nickname should be
Michael “Cab Fee” cause thats all he’ll be able to afford
He'll get paid by the Cowboys
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Because IMO, think they are the tamperers. Jerry Jones will pay for a hometown hero!
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i personally...
do not care about crabtree anymore. Im seriously happy with the direction the team is going and I would rather him not play this year at all. I feel that the 49ers brass should do whatever they can to not only keep him off the field but to find a trade partner for him before next years draft which could be a late 1st rounder and 2nd. I don’t think we need him for this year and as far as the future….i think we can find a veteran wr in free agency who we actually know can produce. And if not i don’t think drafting a wr in the 2nd round of next year’s draft will be any different than if we had sign crabtree this year. It would only be a year difference and actually not even that because of the holdout fiasco.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
I am just pissed we wasted our best pic of the draft and our team is far away of where they need to be!
This will always matter if he never signs!
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and on top of all that...
who is to say that we don’t trade for a wr this year?
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
Give the Panthers their pick back for Steve Smith?
For who? I don’t know of any receivers a team will be willing to part with that would be beneficial.
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Thank you Fooch
There’s way to much on this Butthead. I for one, am fed up regarding " His Highest " !!!
until I actually hear Crabtree say something ...
I’m not going to give up on the kid. He’s been surrounded by bad advisors. He ended up with a horrible agent in Parker. Should he have just fired Parker by now? Yes. But he’s an inexperienced kid who got caught up in a contract hailstorm probably with other teams telling his agent that if he holds out, they’ll pay him more than the Niners.
Nothing’s happened for quite a while now, but the longer nothing happens I think the greater chance there is of Crabtree winning us over by saying (site decorum this, firing Parker, and just signing because he wants to play football.
Would I take a first round pick next year for him? Probably. But could I still end up enjoying rooting for him? Yeah – I mean, who knows? – the guy doesn’t have to become another Jerry Rice, but I think he has the talent to become a Top 10 NFL Wide Receiver on the level of Calvin Johnson.
"We’ll see them again in the playoffs." - Mike Singletary, right after the Week 3 Minnesota game
So he's a victim?
The poor misunderstood all around great guy is just a pawn?
Good grief ~ he’s been offered a fortune. All he has to say is yes. It’s that simple.
He’s an idiot. The last thing this team needs right now is another intelligence challenged super ego whose heart is in Dallas.
The future ain't what it used to be. Go Niners!
Diggin a hole
This guy is digging such a hole for himself, ya he will sign somewhere, yes he will play. I’m just curious if he will be able to recover from the backlash from his actions and when he drops that first ball or fumbles will he be able to stand the negative tsunami that will comes his way. He is digging such a hole for himself and putting so much pressure for himself he better get his 40 million because if he is not a Hall of fame player he will be the guy everyone loves to see fail.
J GO
If he reenters the draft
Let me say that I don’t think this would happen but if Crabtree reenters the draft could the niners draft him again. A friend of mine made the point that if he reenters the draft the team that drafts him will have all the leverage to pay him nothing because frankly he isn’t sitting out a second year. I am sticking with the idea he signs in early Nov.
Tom will never be as cool as Joe
Can't happen
If Crabtree enters the draft, the niners are not allowed to draft him again.
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by davebenfremont on Oct 4, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats what I thought
I remembered hearing that somewhere after I posted that comment, but Parker has to know that if they think they can hold out until next years draft.
Tom will never be as cool as Joe
Clarification
I mean that Parker and Crabtree have to know that whatever leverage they have is gone once he reenters the draft since any team drafting him knows he won’t sit out another year. Sorry about the unclear post and for asking the question I should have known the answer to.
Tom will never be as cool as Joe
Can I make a suggestion Fooch?
Can you put all the rules about trading him, and redrafting him, and when his rights become available again, etc. in the body of fanpost so we don’t have to explain three million times that we can’t redraft him?
It’d make things lots easiers
good call
I’ll add that later tonight when I get a chance.
by David Fucillo on Oct 4, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
There are really two possibilities here
1. Some other team made him an illegal promise or suggested that “If we’d have drafted you…” and he & his agent are running with it.
2. He’s so egotistical that he can’t comprehend that he’s worth less than DHB, and thus wants to be accomodated as such.
On possibility 1, Parker’s not stupid enough to put any weight into a tongue in cheek comment, but maybe Crabtree’s other advisors are. If there was real tampering, we’ll see what happens. I sincerely hope it wasn’t somebody from the Jets saying, “Look, we would have taken you at #5, but Sanchez fell to us. If we had drafted you, we’d have given you $40M+ (i.e. what’s in line with the #5 pick!).”
Possibility 2 could go two ways. Either he’s too mentally fragile and once he realizes that he’s not God in a football uniform, he’ll crack and won’t be the same, or he’s frigging insane and will work immensely hard, “Michael Jordan style” to continue to prove his doubters wrong.
If there wasn’t tampering, the Niners will sign him (unless he’s batsheet crazy and goes back into the draft with no safety net). I’m hoping for MJ insane, rather than “expects the world to bow down at his feet” stupid.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 4, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions
What did Deion Sanders really say in his September 4th interview with Rich Eisen on NFL Network?
Here’s the link to the video: Where’s Crabtree?
0:41:
Let’s negate all the family members and just focus on his agent slash attorney, Eugene Parker; one of the most reputable agents in the business. Let’s start by saying Eugene had over five first rounders a season ago and all those guys getting into camp within the first or second week of camp. This year he retained the rights of Tyson Jackson who had an enormous and very large contract and he’s certainly happy. And it’s not Eugene’s reputation or benefit to keep a guy out. There’s so many more parameters in this case than we’re hearing.
1:33:
Well, first of all family members… they want you to go and get paid because they need a loan here and there. But the picture is so much larger than this and everyone talking about (him) being slotted… and he should just go with the slot. Let’s just take a peek at the top 11 guys that are already slotted that are in camp. I’m talking about the real money, not the money from pretentious, you see up here [sic] …if Moby Dick was a minnow, they would get this or if they throw more yards than Dan Marino they would get that. Number five Sanchez literally, in real money, got more than number four so what’s up with that slot? Number seven… Heyward-Bey got more money than Andre Smith the number six in real money. Let’s go, B.J. Raji, number nine received more money than Monroe in real money. So where does that leave Michael Crabtree? He’s not going to suffer for the lack of negotiating power with some of the agents or lack of will with some of the players to really realize their real (worth). A lot of people would say, well, man they offered this guy $20 million over five years. No, no, no… To me, really that’s not good enough. I’m not advising Michael Crabtree, but when it comes to real money you only get one chance on this first deal and you may not ever make it to the second deal and you really don’t want to mess this one up. And when you think about only $20 million…when you think about Sanchez and $48 million…$50 million over five years…$49 million of real money. Then you go down to number seven and number six and they’re in the $40’s of millions. Then you go down to nine and eight… they’re in the 20’s. What happened to the 30’s? Why did we skip from the…40’s all the way to the 20’s? That’s the problem and Eugene Parker and Michael Crabtree, they just really would like San Francisco to make up that difference… to meet them half way.
4:05:
Well, first of all I’d like to say he’s not thinking he is a number one pick. No, that’s not the case. He is realizing he is a number ten (pick) but he’s not going to suffer for the lack of contract negotiation power with some of the agents that didn’t do a good job or some of the players that caved in and really didn’t get what they’re worth. You have $20 million dollars on the table; yeah…they have an extra $8 million, yeah, but if he catches more balls than Jerry Rice in the first or second year and with their quarterback situation that’s not going to be the case. So, he’s looking at real numbers. When you think about young guys… Some of these young guys never make it to a second contract so you may never get another chance.
Now, is he willing or prepared to sit out the entire…year? I think so. I really do think so. The reason I’m saying this, Rich, and I’m saying this with, not an educated guess or assumption, with knowledge I’m saying this is because there have been two teams that have contacted the San Francisco 49ers desiring a trade and will pay this kid and he knows that.
5:27:
Because you can’t miss what you don’t have. A lot of people would tell you about… $20 million dollars? Well, you don’t have it. How can you miss what you’ve never had? Yeah, he can have it but it’s not what he feels like he’s worth. Why would you settle for twenty when you feel like you can get forty? That’s the problem.
5:48:
Well, he is willing to sit down and relax and he’s secure. I’m not going to say not anyone wins… pretty much the San Francisco 49ers, they need this desperately. You would say Michael Crabtree would need it but he’s not in dire need of money at this time and I can say that honestly.
Crabtree, WTF?
I’m saying this is because there have been two teams that. . .will pay this kid and he knows that.
And we have the definition of tampering.
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The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Why didn't you post the entire quote?
The reason I posted the transcript above is because I wanted everyone to have a better understanding of what exactly was said in the interview.
The reason I’m saying this, Rich, and I’m saying this with, not an educated guess or assumption, with knowledge I’m saying this is because there have been two teams that have contacted the San Francisco 49ers desiring a trade and will pay this kid and he knows that.
Deion says 2 teams contacted the San Francisco 49ers.
Sorry, but that is not the definition of tampering.
Crabtree, WTF?
Why would the niners tell Deion?
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Or maybe
Parker is using Deion as a middle man to negotiate subtly between teams by saying specific things in an incognito type of way. Maybe since Parker was Deions agent there could be some sort of incentive to do this
However, there can be tampering charges filed that would cause Deion to lose his job.
With him being a rep of ESPN he can get into trouble!
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I don't have a problem with either of these answers
I just hate the-
We should let Crabtree re-enter the draft so we can draft him again.
-crap.
Man, I know you’re tired of having to correct that one.
Crabtree, WTF?
And how did Crabtree find out?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He pretty much is saying two teams have tampered with Crabtree. The niners may not have the evidence to file against the Cowboys, but who else has the money to burn?
Deion is going to HAVE to answer to questions from the league because of who he is employed by. I think ESPN could make him come clean since one of their employees possibly has information in the tampering. Of course he would lie, but he is jeopardizing his own career flappin his gums. How is an unproven player worth this money? Not one player that signed is worth what they signed for. None of the top 10 players have made an impact. And for that kind of money, quit crying. If he signed he would be over paid, he’s not gonna block like Morgan, is he? Why consider what happened from 1-8? You’re tenth and you get lees than 9, period end of sentence!
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See Below!!!!
49ers said no team contacted them about the trade. And of I’m not mistaken the agent or player can’t be contacted by the other team, hence the tampering. So why would the Niners, who want to get Crabtree signed, tell him and his posse that two other teams are interested in a trade.
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Basically I'm saying that's info that would never be released to anyone.
When discussing an unsigned draft pick, a team interested can only consult with the team.
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I'm not arguing I'm just saying Deion isn't to be contacted and he is gonna have to release the info to keep his job!
I think!
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Ok, I didn't think
I was just tired of people saying, “Deion said blah, blah, blah…” when clearly (or maybe not so clearly until I posted the transcript) he didn’t say that.
Crabtree, WTF?
Ok, just watched NFL Access
Deion during the 49ers game highlights commented that something could be brewing with Crabtree.
Something like what?
Between the niners and Crabtree?
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NFL Access?
I can’t remember, is it on Sportsccenter or something seperate?
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NFL GameDay Final playing on the NFL Network
Their Sunday highlight show with Eisen, Deion and Mooch.
LOL
I was just about to post the same thing.. You’re fast haha… But that was very interesting. I know most people are like Crabtree who but I’d love for him to be on our team. We would have another weapon to throw to and I’m sure he would/will eventually do great if he doesn’t start off great. You can’t be the most amazing receiver throughout college the past 2 years and suddenly lose all that skill.
I say we sign Crabtree and the Jets get caught up for tampering by the NFL so we can get an extra pick or more for next years draft.
Go Niners!
by the way… Who here agrees that Rich Eisen is getting very annoying with the Crabtree screams every time there is a highlight of Hill throwing a TD pass to one of our great players??
I am faster because I wrote less.
Who here agrees that Rich Eisen is getting very annoying with the Crabtree screams every time there is a highlight of Hill throwing a TD pass to one of our great players??
Ditto, I wish I could swear about it on here.
swearing
Darn you Rich Eisen you such and such!
by David Fucillo on Oct 4, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Every time a 49ers player makes catch in the highlights he yells “Michael Crabtree” like he’s player making than the play than comments “. . . oh wait . . . chuckle . . . chuckle”
NFL Access
What was said?
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Ok, it's was brief and bit of unspoken language but generally this is what happened
They were showing the 49er highlights and Eisen was doing his Crabtree shtick like we talking about just above.
I don’t remember if someone said something back to Eisen after his shtick or shot him a look but Eisen made a comment to Deion to the effect of “well, you would know” meaning he is still holding out. Deion replied with a Dr. Evil like smirk noise. Eisen kind of shot that back at him like what do you mean and Deion replied that something might be brewing with Crabtree. Probably not an accurate recap but describes sorta what was was said.
Also, during Deion’s highlights he said again that Crabtree might be on his way to the 49ers.
Don't get people's hopes up
Deion was probably just being a douche
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Deion was probably just being a douche??
I could have sworn that douche and Deion were one and the same.. hmm ;)
ok
He is a douche.
Either way, we should still keep our hopes low.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
You'll get to scream HAHA, to me in particular if he signs!
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Eric Berry anyone?
didn't think you were
But ive been ademant in throwing this situation in your digital face……….lol
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It's all fun
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Thats because
it’s wishful thinking on Eisen’s behalf…he has him on his fantasy team or something like that.
Makes him sounds like he has mounds of intelligents, dontcha think?
If anyone wants to hear the small mention from Deion that means nothing here ya go!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81329ffa/NFL-GameDay-Rams-vs-49ers-highlights
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Eisen you dawg you !! lol
Props to Mariucci for showing love to the 49ers throughout the highlights. I can tell he wants us to go the distance this year =).
bignerd, you da man!
If anyone tells you different, come and get me and we can go find that M(site decorum)
LOL
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Great stuff bignerd
Man, i hope Deion isn’t BSing. Personally, I don’t trust him.
You would say Michael Crabtree would need it but he’s not in dire need of money at this time and I can say that honestly.
See transcript above
OK Deion, which part were you being dishonest about?
Crabtree, WTF?
It could be that Crabtree is just tired of holding out. Often that’s what get’s most rookies to cave into the contract.
There was a baseless rumor posted by Yahoo earlier this week saying Crabtree was about give up his holdout after the Week 1 game against the Cardinals but his agent talked him into holding out longer.
The truth is
There are a lot of Texas Tech people (myself included) really pissed about the holdout. If he was going to hold out, he should have just stayed in college.
Our new QB could use a sure-handed receiver to throw to.
Crabtree, WTF?
If he was going to hold out, he should have just stayed in college.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Creepy
Reminds me of the Hannibal movies
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure whether or not he stayed in college another year he would still want money, but I don’t see why you would say your new QB could use a sure-handed receiver to throw to. Doesn’t he already have that in Detron Lewis. Heck, I even enjoy how Alex Torres has played so far.
Torres has sure hands
The best hands on the team, but not great speed or the instincts to get open often enough. He made some plays this weekend, but he’s no Crabtree, and neither is Detron Lewis. We’ve had some drops this year. Too many. Part of it is the new QB, but not all.
Crabtree’s a beast. A play-maker. We don’t have a receiver like that this year.
Crabtree, WTF?
do you reside in lubbock?
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I moved to Amarillo, he's still loved around here too!
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Amarillo
I feel for you.
I’m not trying to talk trash, but Lubbock is by far a better place to live. I call it the best kept secret it Texas.
Crabtree, WTF?
I moved here for 20,000 more than what I was making in Iowa.
So to hell with this ugly town, my kid’s Christmas’ will be sweeeet
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been there
All I can say is ………………ladies, ladies, ladies
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WOW!
How long did it take you to scrouge up a picture of two 7’s?
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by methodrampage on Oct 5, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
Read my mind. They’re cute, but… is one of them your girlfriend?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
they'll be in houston
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Hmmm
I’ll believe it when I see Crabtree in Uniform.
Deion was hinting pretty good during the show about Crabtree maybe signing soon.
I would welcome his signing…
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Comments
At the 1:35 mark, Eisen yells Crabtree for the Morgan TD.
Deion: “Not yet. It could be brewing.”
Eisen: “Are you dropping hints?”
Deion: “I’m dropping hints.”
Mooch: You don’t know!
by David Fucillo on Oct 4, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you make of it Fooch?
I just watched both videos and Deion was dropping his hints.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I see what you did there
Was that intentional?
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the way I look at it!
1. If Crabtree doesn’t sign and is NOT traded by the Niners and is drafted and paid more than slot and more than what the 49ers offered, Deion has questions to answer.
2. If their are teams that want Crabtree now and will pay him more than our offer, how could he possibly know?
3. Who on Earth would take the chance of going back in the draft and it has never worked before?
4. With the CBA changing in 2011, a lot of underclassmen will declare. This shold be the richest draft in history!
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4 continued- Who woul re-enter the draft with those odds?
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The videos
I posted them as a Fanshot
So that way everyone can see them without having to dig through this post.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Now seems like an ideal time if he were to sign by 11/17
He gets to practice this week but definitely won’t be active for the Falcons’ game and the BYE week is next. After the BYE week, SF will be in Houston – close to where Crabs grew up so it’d be nice for his first game to be in front of friends, family and Deion.
Win the inning.
He'll probably be inactive (assuming he signs....I still don't think he will)
He will have a rough time trying to climb the depth chart.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I Would Take A Lot Of Stock
In what Deion has to say. He is on the inside of the Crabtree camp and knows what he is talking about. What does this mean? Is a Crabtree signing coming this week? Is he taking Rossum’s roster spot?
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
That's a damn good question!
Hope I didn’t violate language rules, but a very debatable question. At leeast in arousing opinions!
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Is he taking Rossum's roster spot?
Oh, please, NO!!!!!!
Do you really want to see Battle muff 2 punts a game?
Battle just proved why we need Rossum.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Spurlock was a return man
Hope we didn’t keep him to run the taser!
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Spurlock Anyone?
Of course i don’t want Battle returning kicks. But we could easily release Rossum and HIll (Jason) that is lol and have Crabtree come in as the 4 WR and move Spurlock to the return game
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy Sheet(s)
How about Kory at return for next week to see how he does and maybe get him in for a few running plays or more depending on his and Coffee’s play. Just a thought, but i like it :)
You don't know much about Spurlock
But you do know that Rossum doesn’t lose kicks or make costly mistakes.
I’d rather keep Rossum and release Spurlock.
Sheets was a fumbler in college, BTW….I’m not sure I want him returning kicks
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I Just Heard
Deion again and people it really does seem that he is dropping major hints regarding Crabtree signing soon. I would be surprised if there wasn’t any substance to this.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions
Classic sig!!
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IF
What Deion says has any validity to it, then this talks had to have taken place before Sunday. I still won’t believe until it actually happens.
Maybe Crabtree just told him that he'd be meeting with the 49ers
Jed York did want to talk to Crabtree…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully
That is the case and something could get done.
I doubt it would happen anytime soon
If Crabtree agrees to re-open negotiations then they’ll still have a lot of work to do.
This is assuming that Deion’s comments only mean that Crabtree is just meeting with Jed York and other talks have not taken place.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but what if York buckles?
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After 2 and a half weeks? hmmmm...........I'd be pissed!
I know a lot of people here don’t like York, do you think he’ll cave?
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No
I don’t know if York would cave, maybe the two sides are coming to compromise.
Compromise with them has seemed to point to caving!
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You think so ?
I see it as the two sides coming to an agreement on a deal that makes both sides happy.
Lets see what MM has to say tomorrow
There should be a lot of Crabtree related links tomorrow.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Eugene Parker
IMO, he was counting on the 49ers not being very good this year. A few more loses would have put a lot of pressure on the front office to sign Crabs. That didn’t happen. He may be ready to cut bait.
Crabtree, WTF?
Comments deleted
A couple of folks were getting extremely childish so I’ve deleted the last group of comments form this thread. People need to act like adults here.
California girls are hotter ;-)
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 6, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Somebody's a little sensitive...
Booyah!
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Do they even know how to swim?
lol
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by SportsChicken on Oct 7, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The real question is...
Do they swim in high heels with their bikinis twisted (like the girl in the bottom right)?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 8, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
What's that? Female college athletes are hot? NO WAY!!!1
It’s not exclusive to Lubbock. At all.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Oct 9, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think i might be in love with that chick on the top
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
or is that the same chick?
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
im in love with both either way
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
same girl in both
And just to make you feel dirty, I believe the first picture was from high school, second from college. There was a big to-do on the Internet about it a couple years ago.
by David Fucillo on Oct 10, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
lol thanks for making me feel dirty Fooch
always appreciated.
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
Just speculation, but...
If crabs has decided to sign (questionable, but deion is clearly alluding to it) maybe he’s waiting for the bye week to do it. Since he missed so much time already, he wouldn’t be able to play his first week on the team; which is pretty embarrassing. If he waits until next week though, he might be able to suit up for the houston game if he worked his tail off for two weeks.
If he signs this year I don't expect him to play
for several more games anyway.
If he doesn’t sign by Nov 17 he can’t play this season at all.
Deion is just baiting you guys....
He keeps dropping hints like dangling a carrot. Whether he says it or not Deion is acting as an extension of his agent. The last thing Crabtree wants to happen is to stop talking about him, and with the team winning that is exactly what is happening. So Parker has Deion preach from his paid pulpit to rile up the masses, and WALLAH! Look what happens. The best way to play this is to follow the head coach and focus on the players who will play for him and not the ONE who wont.
by FiveAlarmFreddy on Oct 5, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions
Could be true, bt what does talking about him do.
The Team isn’t from what I hear!
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Look what happens.
What, some yahoos on a blog (myself included) get excited that this BS might be over? Woohoo! It means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The last thing Crabtree wants to happen is to stop talking about him, and with the team winning that is exactly what is happening.
Right… which is why the Niners’ sportscasters are using his name as a catch phrase when they’re announcing a passing score and why we have this blog post here.
Dude, people are still talking about him non-stop, maybe not in the nat’l media because you’d have to get into the “What’s the latest on the tampering charge?” which Goodell and the NFL don’t want discussed because it involves one of their favorite teams.
The best way to play this is to follow the head coach and focus on the players who will play for him and not the ONE who wont.
Best way to play what? I’m thoroughly excited for what’s happening on the field, but frankly, our WRs leave a little something to be desired, especially going forward, and there are only so many Patrick Willis facts out there to quote. It’s perfectly reasonable to discuss the Crabtree saga, even for Deion Sanders. I think everybody here knows that he’s just the mouthpiece of Crabtree’s “people” when he speaks on the matter.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
"What’s the latest on the tampering charge?" which Goodell and the NFL don’t want discussed because it involves one of their favorite teams.
Who’s that? Other than the Cowboys, Patriots, Steelers and whatever team has a Manning at QB the NFL could care less. Outside San Francisco no one cares about the tampering charge—even in the Meadowlands.
I’m thoroughly excited for what’s happening on the field, but frankly, our WRs leave a little something to be desired, especially going forward,
Face it, Crabtree is useless this year.
by FiveAlarmFreddy on Oct 5, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Oddly enough, the world is not going to end at the end of this football year
There’ll be a draft, we’ll lose free agents, and we’ll need to replace some guys. Going forward, we’ll need some help at WR. This year Crabby was always going to be half decent at best (same as every rookie receiver other than Moss and Boldin).
Goodell lives in NYC, NYC is the biggest city in the US and the largest TV market, etc.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Moss, Boldin & Royal?
But I agree with you. This year wasn’t going to be the year to get excited about Crabtree. It should have always been next year (or even the year after as year 3 is typically when WR start to put it all together). If Crabtree signs and gets into practice hopefully his time lost this year won’t hurt him too much next year.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 6, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully the learning curve is of the
Get some experience in the NFL, work out in the off season to learn what you need to learn variety. If so, he’ll be fine.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 6, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Haven't....
… seen your comments lately method. Welcome back.
http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nfl/Michael_Crabtree/566922#
A reason to settle down on this Crabtree guy. I’m back to my stance from a few days ago………Crabtree who?
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Im not an NFL insider
But I work with a guy who is friends with an agent. He said that the 49ers are not budging on their offer, and that Crab’s agent will have to break sometime soon. I believe this will happen most likely after we beat Atlanta next Sunday :). That way he comes in on the BYE week, learns some plays and comes out for a few during the game at Houston. From what I’ve heard Crabtree has no say in this matter, the only part he plays is signing the dotted line.
even if he does sign before the bye week
I think the Niners give him a little “suspension” of sorts by having him inactive for at least 1 game
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
That's a really, really insulting way to begin a contractual relationship
They can keep him inactive for two weeks to learn things while he’s still useless to the team, which is a good idea for everybody, and having him signed the week before a bye week would give him two weeks to get up to speed. However, suspending him would be petty, childish, and bullyish. It would not be remotely productive. Welcome with open arms or don’t welcome him at all. Fine him for time missed, etc., but no punishment going forward unless he has any future infractions.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you pre-emptively suspend a player?
How can you suspend a player for things he did while not under contract? You can’t. The idea is ludicrous and silly. Plus the players union would go bonkers over something like that. With that said, I have no doubt that he’ll be inactive for games until he’s ready to contribute.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 5, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
this is exactly what i said
first he signs the contract. Then, because he took so darn long to sign, the Niners keep him inactive for a few weeks. I put suspension in quotes because I meant that it wouldn’t be a formal suspension, just a slap on the wrist if you will
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Fair enough
Maybe I took the “suspension” too much at face value. I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that Crabtree signs and walks onto the active roster for the first game he’s available.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 6, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly
I just wasn’t exactly clear with what I said – I think we’re thinking along the exact same lines
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Sorry
Keeping a new signee inactive so they can learn the offense is one thing, telling people its a suspension is completely different. There can be no “slap on the wrist” unless he does something wrong. Fining him for game time missed is great, suspending him going forward is terrible.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 6, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
suspension? totally beside the point
By all accounts, he’s been a good teammate in the sense that he’s gotten himself into shape—if not football shape. He isn’t in an Andre Smith type situation where he’s going to come in and promptly get injured because he hasn’t thought about football in 3 months.
(note: love the Sig, DFiB)
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
yeah
I didn’t mean that we would call it a suspension – just that they would keep him inactive as a way of disciplining him a little bit
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Crab's agent will have to break soon?
Haven’t people been saying that for the last month?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Deion wasn't lying
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4534306
DALLAS — First-round draft pick Michael Crabtree left for San Francisco from Tampa, Fla., on Monday to renew contract talks with the 49ers, according to multiple sources.
Crabtree was unavailable for comment. The Dallas native and former Texas Tech receiver has been training in Tampa the past few weeks in Tampa.
Eugene Parker, Crabtree’s agent, is scheduled to arrive in San Francisco on Tuesday. Parker declined comment when reached.
Crabtree, the 10th overall selection in last April’s draft, is the only unsigned first-round pick. He has missed the first four weeks of the regular season.
The 22-year-old Crabtree is seeking money comparable to higher picks and has turned down the 49ers’ offer for approximately five years and $20 million, with a reported $16 million guaranteed.
The 49ers have until Nov. 17 to sign Crabtree in order for him to play this season. If Crabtree is not signed and he is not traded, he would go back into the April draft.
I'll believe it
when I see it
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
ok lets be realistic.
after watching brandon marshall do what he did yesterday against the cowgirl. i don’t see how crabtree can’t help us. if he is on the team its not going to hurt… coach just won’t let that happen.
so if he signs given that we don’t end up with like some $40mil deal and he helps us win a few games late this season great. also what if the tampering charges are true and we STILL get compensated than thats a win win right there… even though him signing might reduce the chances of us actually getting a pick.
if he performs on the field i’m fine with it if he doesn’t he will be gone by next year anyway. (given that we sign him ofcourse)
by whitemike1644 on Oct 5, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
hell
this can’t work out worse than jamarcus or DHB are working out for the raiders… or a ryan leaf situation… if he doesn’t pan out hey its happened to all the teams in the nfl.
but if he becomes a #1 or even a #3 wide out that is helping the team than it all worked out this way for a reason… and if he is our next T.O. what can we do to change that… hell if we don’t and he goes on the haunt us i’m sure people would be looking back saying the opposite…
i’ve never really cared that ha hasn’t signed i figured cool thats just money we can spend on someone else next season… for me drafting a player and never signing them and spending the money else where is better than signing a player and giving him top dollar and him doing nothing…
thats how i’ve always felt.
by whitemike1644 on Oct 5, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
gone by next year anyway?
if he signs i doubt he will be gone in a year.
by 49ersAllTheWay on Oct 5, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
No way he's gone by next year (if he signs this year)
Players take time to develop, no matter how talented. Unless he starts ordering Willis to pick him up some $5 footlongs at halftime there’s little justification to cut him, or any high draft pick, after a year (as you’d still be on the hook for his bonus).
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 5, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
if he signs there’s to much bonus money we would lose if he was gone in the first year
by 49ersAllTheWay on Oct 5, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless they're rightfully afraid of a tampering charge...
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree coming to SF
I pulled that link out to a front page post. Feel free to keep discussin Crabtree stuff here, but every once in a while I’ll pull out something potentially big like this.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/10/5/1071573/michael-crabtree-traveling-to-san
So if Crabtree signs now
What kind of Rookie hazing should he expect, since he missed a lot this preseason? Also, what should he have to do to make up for holding out so long?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
probably have to carry some vet's bag and such
I’m sure there will be some good-hearted ball-busting, but probably not much more than that. The thing is, with an NFL team type situation where you don’t want to create rifts, you can only really get someone good when you know them already or are in a unique situation like training camp.
That said, I’d duct tape him to the goal post and cover him in monopoly money if I was on the 49ers.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
Not to alienate the kid
Just to mess with him and let him know that the team is ready to move on. I like the Monopoly money idea. I would probably have a watch and a calendar waiting in his locker.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
or a clock ticking VERY loudly
maybe a grandfather clock that is rigged to chime “money-money-money-maaah-ney…maaah-ney” on the hour.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
Matt Maiocco's twitter:
Just stated “PFT report: 49ers-Crabtree meeting is set for today.”
They also just stated it on KNBR with Singletary that there is a meeting today as i am writing this now. Exciting stuff, i hope!
once again
are we supposed to believe PFT?
this could all be BS
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
I am a bit confused as to which Crabtree article we're supposed to be posting on
So I’ll re-tweet here the post I made on the one Fooch has linked to above. Happy to join either Crabtree conversation, particularly since it looks like there might be some actual news …
I know Crabtree is a great player, and I know we should be excited about him coming in, even if we all pretended to hate him before. But I really do worry that his signing might just disrupt what has been a really cohesive team unit. The likes of Spikes, Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, obviously Willis, on defense, plus on Crabtree’s side of the ball, Shaun Hill, Joe Staley, Gore, Coffee, all feel like out-and-out team men to me, and not divas in the slightest. Am I wrong to fret a little that Mr Look At Me comes in, goes all TO on us and disrupts the togetherness that Coach Sing has garnered so successfully?
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
Hate is a pretty intense word
But I for one wasn’t pretending to dislike the fool ~ and I still don’t. But if Coach Sings wants him then who am I to argue.
One way or t’other ~ Onward to Falcon Crunch!
The future ain't what it used to be. Go Niners!
Ha ha - and you're right ...
… hate is a strong word, and inappropriate really in this context. Mr Crabtree gets all of our emotions high I guess. Agreed on clipping those Falcon wings my friend!
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
Let Coach Singletary's Words Guide You
Coach Sing in his news conference yesterday stated to the press that Michael is a great kid and he is very seldom wrong about evaluating kids..If Coach Sing wants him on the team, then who are we to say he will be a cancer or his game doesn’t work for out type of offense..
Coach said we need all of the good players we can get..This team is starting to build something special and if Coach says he is a great kid, then I am with Coach Sing..
Sign Michael now, get him a playbook , and put him on the field after the bye week..
We need an outside threat and none of our receivers is in the top 50 of wideouts..
Hope you're right ...
… and have no problem in trusting Coach Sing. I guess in a way he wouldn’t say anything else, because he knows he’s gonna have this kid in his camp, but I do think, having read Sing’s books, that he is the best possible person to rehabilitate,. if indeed there is any rehab to be done … maybe we’ll find out soon who was the real diva out of Crabtree and his agent …
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
Cut a WR from the Practice Squad...making room
It’s probably not new news here, but over at 49ers.com one of the front page stories is that they just cut a WR from the practice squad today. I’d bet that’s to make room for Rossum or someone else to be moved there and make room for Crabtree…
It’s gonna happen soon. And I hope the kid is as good as everyone (include him) thinks he is!
Pete
I'd be surprised if Rossum was moved to the PS
Michael Spurlock is more likely to end up there. Unless Rossum is hurt and Spurlock is taking kick returns.
Rossum
He has no practice squad eligibility.
by David Fucillo on Oct 6, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
practice squad
The PS move probably does not have to do with Crabtre:
There’s a good chance the 49ers will get a week or two exception for Crabtree where Crabtree will be able to practice with the team, but not play in the games, and in turn would NOT count against the 53-man roster for that week or 2.
by David Fucillo on Oct 6, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Jet's tampering charge
I’m guessing that nothing will change, but will someone with knowledge please share some insight on how this affects the tampering charge against the Jet’s? Thanks.
It Shouldn't
The 49ers were hit with a tampering charge months after the player in question signed a contract back with his original team.
It’s been speculated that if the Jets were found guilty of tampering than the punishment would probably be much harsher if Crabtree did indeed decide to re-enter the draft.
The important thing about the tampering charge...
…was to remove the economic demand from the Crabtree side of the equation. It’s funny that the holdout moves forward once the other “alleged” offer dries up….. Essentially, the 49ers let the Jets know they weren’t messing around, which led the Jets to withdrawn from the situation, leaving Crabby out in the cold….and there was a nice, warm $20million blankie over here being held by Coach Sing…. Come to papa….
yep,
the niners got a 3rd rounder and 5th rounder taken away for tampering on Briggs and he resigned with the Bears. If the Jets got caught tampering and we signed crabs, then I would see it being something similar. If crabs were to re-enter the draft next year and they tampered, then i could see something like a first rounder being taken away.
no chance
Seeing how Scott Mc. said he has not scheduled a meeting with crabtree. I doubt anything happens this week at all so I’m just looking forward to the atlanta game and of course the panthers game.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
ESPN Reporting meeting took place today
By Michael Smith
ESPN
Michael Crabtree and his agent, Eugene Parker, met with San Francisco 49ers front office personnel for an hour Tuesday in the Bay area, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.
Sources said Crabtree and Parker met with VP of football operations Paraag Marathe, owner Jed York and GM Scot McCloughan.
Indications are that Crabtree wants to play football for the 49ers this season, but there was no word on what kind of progress, if any, was made on a possible contract.
The two sides had gone almost three weeks without talking.
The 49ers have until Nov. 17 to sign Crabtree and have him play this season.
Michael Smith is a reporter for ESPN.
LOL! An hour to go over a $20MM contract…heck, who needs an hour for that? ;)
Of course I was being sarcastic, but in reality I doubt the contract they discussed was much different than the one that’s been on the table for a month or more… so maybe an hour did the trick.
Let’s hope for a press conference sometime soon. I’d like to see this kid become an above-average target for our average QB.
Per Maiocco
“Michael Crabtree’s foot is just fine. He just sprinted away from me. Seriously.”
“He made a very nice move to avoid me and @MBachCSN at the hotel where the meeting his taking place.”
Officially has left the building.
New Thread for the evening
I opened up a front page post, so we’ll consolidate discussion in there for now.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/10/6/1073870/michael-crabtree-contract
Madden!
I can finally play Madden like I want to now… I was feeling bad cause I was drafting WRs and I did not want too. lol
Revenge is a dish best served in the playoffs!
Going to the 49ers vs Texans game to see Crabtree debut for us.
First of all I would like to start by saying “All is forgiven Mr. Crabtree and we welcome you with open arms.I hope and pray you become what we’ve lacked here in San Fran since T.O.” That said,I just want to say how proud I am for getting our guy Crabtree in here and how Crabtree told Scot McCloughan that he was a 49er.Anyways just would like to add that I live in South Texas (Cowboy country) and I wil be going to the 49er vs Texans game.I already have the tickets and I have never been to an NFL game.What a first to go to one with my favorite team the Niners first.I’m gonna get pictures when Crabtree goes into the game for the 1st time and lines up for the 1st time and when he cathes his first ball and hopefully his 1st TD.
I will be there as well....
…with my Nikkon! Hope to get some good shots and hope he surprises everyone with a big play or his first TD etc…
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