49ers-Colts: The stubborn-ness of Jimmy Raye?
A couple days ago we took a look at the chances the 49ers defense would have against the prolific Colts passing attack. Today I thought we'd jump to the other side of the ball and look at the 49ers own offensive attack. The Colts defense can definitely bring the heat, but even discounting that, there naturally remain a whole host of questions about the 49ers offense.
On Thursday, in the injury report I posted a transcript from OC Jimmy Raye. I wanted to address a few points from that, so I've re-posted it after the jump. In the press conference he had the following exchange:
On whether the offense has changed philosophically with QB Alex Smith:
"None."
On whether that was a no:
"None."
On whether quarterbacks with different talents change the offense at all:
"No."
I get that the team still wants to be a power-running team, but that last question and answer seems a bit off, at least to me. Now I'm not saying you completely alter the offense, but it seems close-minded to not change the offense at all. Of course, later Raye made some other comments:
On whether the team becomes more pass-oriented with Crabtree and TE Vernon Davis:
"I think so. I don't want to give you a misguided opinion that - what we were striving to do all along is to create balance. More passes or more of a running, whatever that connotation is, I think the apt description of where we would like to go with the changes that we've made, which will take some time to achieve more balance."
One final comment I wanted to pull out:
On what Smith brings that Hill did not:
"He is more comfortable in a drop situation, throwing the ball to all areas of the field, horizontally and vertical. I don't know if they knew that before they saw him play because they didn't have any tape on him to prepare for him because all they had seen was Shaun. To flip the script and go play different than they had practiced in preparing for Shaun Hill, all of a sudden they were playing with a guy that is comfortable reading out their entire play and playing to his strengths, which is throwing the big ends, throwing the ball up in the vertical crease and throwing the ball to the boundary. It was a little bit different for them."
As I read all of these comments, I realize Jimmy Raye does not want to show too much heading into Indianapolis. It would appear as though the offense will be mixing things up a little more, but what do we really know for sure? At one point Jimmy Raye mentioned not trying to force a square peg into a round hole (meaning not forcing the run), so is Raye showing an ability to adapt? Do we really know for now? A while back I introduced the Jimmy Raye approval rating. I meant to run it this week but forget. However, I actually think waiting through the Colts game will allow folks to get a better handle on how they feel about Raye. Will we see a "spread out" vertical offensive attack mixed in with some power running? Or will we see a little bit more of rush, rush, incompletion, punt?
Offensive Coordinator Jimmy Raye
Post-Walk Thru - October 29, 2009
San Francisco 49ers
On whether the offense has changed philosophically with QB Alex Smith:
"None."
On whether that was a no:
"None."
On whether quarterbacks with different talents change the offense at all:
"No."
On what WR Michael Crabtree does for the offense:
"Well, I think he played well in his first outing last week. I think he was somewhat of a - he had some chemistry with Alex Smith, obviously, because he had been here the week during the bye and they had thrown together, and he demonstrated an ability to catch the ball when he's in close confrontation with a defensive back. He has good burst off the line of scrimmage. I think it will help our perimeter game, which will, going forward, be necessary because of the effectiveness of the tight end inside. So, I think what he showed or demonstrated in the game Sunday will help us on the edge and the horizontal stretch of the defense will give us another avenue, another outlet to be able to get the ball and make them defend the whole field."
On whether the team becomes more pass-oriented with Crabtree and TE Vernon Davis:
"I think so. I don't want to give you a misguided opinion that - what we were striving to do all along is to create balance. More passes or more of a running, whatever that connotation is, I think the apt description of where we would like to go with the changes that we've made, which will take some time to achieve more balance."
On whether the team will go with more of a spread look:
"Maybe, but if you remember the game, that's what we opened the game in Sunday with [QB] Shaun Hill. We opened the game against Houston in three wide receivers, a tight end, one back and spread. We went three-and-out and punted the ball. We could. I think it depends on the opponent that we're playing. We're not going to be stubborn and try to jam a square peg into a round hole. But, that would be something that we would mix in because of the people that we have. We would mix that, and it wouldn't only be the way it has been in the past, only a third-down part of what we do. It could become a part of what we do early on as we see the opponent that we're playing, if it fits the plan that we have going forward."
On whether the implication of "square peg and round hole" is not trying to force the run:
"Yes."
On if he believes the team can still run the ball against eight-man fronts:
"Yes, I still think there are some elements of the run that you can still have. I think that the illusion of what happened in the second half of the Houston game has everybody, or most people, thinking that we've discovered this new Mecca or utopia kind of deal. I have to remind you, Alex Smith has been here all along, and the direction that our intent was to go was to help that position and our team with [RB Frank Gore]. That hasn't changed to the extent that we would become a one-back football team and create some other problems for ourselves that, outside of the locker, we are aware of that may not be apparent to the defensive teams that we're playing."
On what QB Alex Smith changed in the game when he came in:
"He was the life. What he did, what he infused in the psychic of the team offensively, the way he threw the ball and the way Frank was able to, in the second half, get some openings in the running game, I think we have to be careful to understand the structure and the circumstances of it was a 21-0 ball game when he entered it. His first drive, and maybe even his second drive, went for scores. Then we had a backed up situation and we had to punt. Then the third time he was in it went for a score. Then we had the ball with 1:38 and one timeout and a chance to put the ball in and get the game into overtime or win it. There was a foul on the preceding kick and we started at the 5-yard line, which made it a little more difficult. The things that he did, have to be weighed a little bit with the score and the time of the game. Not minimizing what he did, because that is a half of football that most quarterbacks in the NFL would love to have."
On what Smith brings that Hill did not:
"He is more comfortable in a drop situation, throwing the ball to all areas of the field, horizontally and vertical. I don't know if they knew that before they saw him play because they didn't have any tape on him to prepare for him because all they had seen was Shaun. To flip the script and go play different than they had practiced in preparing for Shaun Hill, all of a sudden they were playing with a guy that is comfortable reading out their entire play and playing to his strengths, which is throwing the big ends, throwing the ball up in the vertical crease and throwing the ball to the boundary. It was a little bit different for them."
On whether he would like continuity at the quarterback position the rest of the season:
"It seems like since we started there has been a different back, a different wide receiver, a different quarterback, a different tackle, a different guard. There has been a different something all the time. I think continuity, different form the way you all think and the way you all see it, continuity is very important to playing offensive football. Familiarity and continuity are things you are striving to get. So to answer your question, I would like to see us get to a point where we have a functioning five guys that have played together and are working cohesively together, a healthy situation in the backfield, wide receivers who have been here and have some cohesiveness and coordination with the quarterbacks. Going forward, that is what we hope to achieve. That would be nice."
On what the Colts defense presents:
"They present a defense that prides itself on rushing the quarterback. They play the run on the way to the quarterback. They are structured and built to play with the lead and they are in a building where they have an advantage with the noise and the snap count, so it has a bunch of problems that it creates. They have two defensive ends that are truly outstanding rushers. They have a perennial Pro Bowl guy on our offensive left and they play on the artificial surface inside where they have a little bit more of an edge because of that. So, we'll have a bit of a challenge ahead of us trying to be able to negate and slow that down and do the things that we want to do to attack them the way that we'd like to."
On whether it is a priority to get QB Alex Smith acclimated with two minute situations because of the delay of games during the Houston game:
"It was a problem on Sunday, yes. He wasn't the only problem. He hadn't had a competitive two-minute situation since awhile back because during this time of year, you get one on Thursday and a half of one Friday, you have to let the starting quarterback get those, but also in there, was a wide receiver that had no idea, that had not been in a two-minute situation before. He didn't know the alignments and calls and had to be coached through some things. Some formation things got screwed up, but we have addressed that this week and hopefully going forward, we will be a little bit better operating in that situation, but it was a problem last week because there were some people there that hadn't physically, even though they'd heard the words, hadn't physically been in that situation before and Alex hadn't had one - if I had to go back and check, I think since probably the week that we played Dallas, in the exhibition season."
On the final delay of game and the timeout was called:
"Critical. That's the mechanics of it. If you notice, [Coach] Sing on the sideline, asked the official for the timeout and I think Alex saw that and turned to walk and didn't turn himself to Mike Carey and asked for the timeout and this official, if you don't turn and get your hands over your head and ask for it, you didn't get it. So that was a critical point. At that point, there was 47 seconds to go. On third down we clocked the ball on the chunk play. Prior to that, we were operating in a three down deal with one timeout. It was third-and-six that went to fourth-and-six that went to fourth-and-11, which was the difference between us converting and being able to add on and get the ball in a position to kick. We should have used the timeout because the time was more important at that point than the timeout. The coach asked for the time from the boundary which he's allowed to do and that wasn't acknowledged and then when Alex saw the clock and turned and saw Mike doing [timeout signal] to the official, he didn't turn to Mike Carey and ask for it, so we got a five-yard delay and that five was big because now you are trying to convert fourth-and-11 as opposed to fourth-and-six."
On them taking a chance downfield on 4th-and-11:
"Yes, you had to throw it. You had to try and get in the air and hope to make a play. Then we would have been in another clock situation and then trying to get to the boundary to be able to get into range that we could get our kicker on the field."
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… go play different than they had practiced in preparing for Shaun Hill, all of a sudden they were playing with a guy that is comfortable reading out their entire play and playing to his strengths, which is throwing the big ends, throwing the ball up in the vertical crease and throwing the ball to the boundary.
In other words…Houston defense was suddenly playing against a QB who could actually throw the ball. Sounds like Raye just laid it out that Hill is unable throw to the TE’s or vertically or to the sidelines. That really doesn’t leave much that Hill can do other than hand off the ball and take sacks.
Amy Mainzer my brain thinks your brain is HOT!
by cybermaldonado on Oct 31, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to read this as anything but a vicious slam against Hill
I was looking—in vain—for Raye to say something about how they have different skill sets.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Oct 31, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raye has worked with all kinds of offenses.
Mike told him what he wanted and Raye delivered. A run first power running game. One problem — mediocre OL. Not Raye’s fault. When Singletary saw that our OL would never be able to power run over 8 and 9 men in the box, he saw the futility of keeping Hill as the starter, a game manager to lead a running game with occasional short passes.
The light went on and Singletary went to Raye for help. They brought in Alex and we’re seeing intermediate throws, and a more open offense. Raye will do what Singletary wants him to do. I’d like to see them throw more to Gore and Robinson, and to activate Jason Hill for some 4-WR sets. He performs very well when they let him play. Hill sucked in practice, but they played him. How about the same opportunity for JHill?
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Oct 31, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Hill hasn't been in there
I think it has less to do with Hill’s ‘sucking’ or not and more to do with his having been injured. Heck, Singletary has been reticent to play Brandon Jones for the same reason. I actually see both of those guys making a bigger contribution now that Smith is in at QB because both of them have good speed.
As for the 4-WR sets, it seems to me that if you’re going 4-wide with this team, you’re going 5-wide—since Vernon Davis should never leave the field (and really he doesn’t leave it either). He’s got better speed than most of the wideouts and takes a hit better than any of them by a large margin.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Oct 31, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A more potent passing game?
I need to see Smith play a full game or two to be sure that there there really is a “new A.Smith” that can lead this team to the playoffs. However assuming for the moment that he Smith is really reborn, then I offer this further positive news for the Niner offense…
1) A potent viable passing game that produces TD’s and not just yardage will open up the “box” and allow the much advertised running game for Gore and company.
2) Smith did seem to sell the play action pass much better than Hill so given that the passing game and the running game are very much connected and dependent on each other.
3) A viable offense that can make plays and score through the air and on the ground will produce the offense that can sustain lengthy drives using the clock and take the pressure off the defense.
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 31, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd take his 'not changing the offense' comments with a large pinch of salt
I mean, in one sense, he’s not – he’s not going to throw out the playbook just cause Alex Smith is in. He might well call different plays, though. But he’s hardly going to telegraph it before a Very tough game…
by bobnothing on Oct 31, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a make it or break it game for me in terms of my approval for Jimmy Raye. If he doesn’t open it up here, in this game, I bet that whatever approval rating he had prior to it would be below 50%…maybe lower. That’s just my own opinion though.
I reallly would like to get some continuity in there at the OC coaching position but I am not so sure that Raye is the guy. It’s been a roller coaster. Also, when he talks, if you’ve seen any of the interviews on 49ers.com, it always seems as though he’s forgetting what he’s saying. Takes like 9 years to formulate a semi-funtional sentence. Alzheimers setting in? I’d hate to think so, but maybe…
Maybe Norv Turner will be looking for work again at the end of the season
by Drew K on Oct 31, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Raye and Singletary do the same thing in the media, as well as Manusky
They don’t give away anything, in regards to the offense or defense or what have you. I think it’s more of a wait and see, but he always says he wants to focus on getting the ball to #21.
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Oct 31, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They think before they talk which is good. Raye wouldn’t look so bad if our LOLoline could block people in the run game. Personally I think we are going to start passing more than running.
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 31, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raye is the focus but not the problem
When a team keeps going 3 & out, it doesn’t matter what order the plays are called. It’s always going to be: run, run, pass. Or pass, run, pass. And on a few occasions pass, pass, pass. If the line is not blocking well and/or the QB is missing open receivers or making poor throws, it always ends with a punt. I believe Houston called plays in those orders and made first downs. If a team can’t get a first down they never get to find any rhythm as a unit and as a play caller. Period. Yes, there have been times I thought Raye had been “Knapp-ed” with his predictable type of play, but I also realize that most every time we’ve had a possession this year, save the Ram game and first half of the AZ game, we’re always backed up in our territory. This is what happens when the offense continually stalls.
I also think Raye has been around long enough to not tip his hand re the game-plan, especially with a new starter providing a one week strategy advantage.
Lastly, other than the Seattle game, haven’t we always passed more than run? So for Raye to not change anything means we’ll have more pass than run plays. Isn’t that what may of us Niners fans want?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 31, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The stubborn-ness of the 49er Front Office?
Crabtree could have helped to ‘create balance’ and ‘help our perimeter game’ starting with the Arizona Cardinals in week one.
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeebus...
Your Man Love for Crabtree is borderline insane.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 31, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's cool
you don’t want to discuss it? No problem…
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been beaten to death...
In several threads during Crabtree’s holdout, which wasn’t the fault of the 49ers FO. That was the stubborn-ness of Parker, Crabtree, and whoever else had Crabtree’s ear.
Heck not only was that discussed here, but it was a National story that everybody jawed over, and the general consensus was that Crabtree was nuts with this holdout.
The 49ers made the right move that impacts the League more than a game against AZ.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 31, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a long suffering 49er fan. I respect that.
I don’t blame you for not wanting to blame the holdout on the FO. Much easier to blame the dumb, slow, injured, system player, really not very good ‘diva’.
Isn’t it possible, however, that that the FO made a mistake? You don’t think the 49ers could have been more aggressive in the negotiations and got Crabtree into camp sooner without going over slot and impacting the League in a negative way?
I’m sure you’ll at least agree that Crabtree in camp would have been worth a few G’s considering his impact on the team now and his potential impact earlier in the season.
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't about a few G's..
It was about a player thinking he was above his slotted draft position. Crabtree “fell” into the 49ers lap at #10. You pay a pick according to their draft slot, and the contract wasn’t cheap anyway. It was a fair deal. GM’s need to exercise more power and will over agents, because if agents really controlled the market (they almost essentially do with big FA’s), the NFL would be in disaster. There still is talk in the League of a rookie Cap, and who knows what will happen next season with the talk of capless season. The bottom line is, the 49ers cannot let a player or his agent hi-jack the team that could hurt them in the future (the 49ers have 2 first round picks next draft, and you could imagine what could possibly happen there if the 49ers didn’t respect the slotting system, and those 2 picks could make the same demands as Crabtree did because the 49ers set a precedent the draft prior.
I see getting Crabtree at #10 a steal for the 49ers, simply because he was a Top 5 prospect. But for him to fall to #10 isn’t the 49ers fault at all. It’s Crabtree’s and his agent’s. The 49ers made the right move by not relenting to ridiculous demands, because again, they have 2 first round picks next season.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 31, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh???
Did we just talk past each other ‘cus I’m sure I said:
…the 49ers could have been more aggressive in the negotiations and got Crabtree into camp sooner without going over slot…not:
…if the 49ers didn’t respect the slotting system…
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
…the 49ers could have been more aggressive in the negotiations and got Crabtree into camp sooner without going over slot…
IIRC, the 49ers did what they thought was fair, and the onus was on Crabtree’s camp to get him camp. Letting Crabtree sit there and stew into the regular season was the 49er’s FO being aggressive in a more positive direction than caving into Crabtree’s demands. The 49ers were open to getting it done. Crabtree’s people shut that down. It’s more about the integrity of a relatively green FO that won’t get overran by a rookie’s agent. Jed and Co. stood more to lose by showing softness there. To me, it wasn’t so much about Crabtree than how the FO will be perceived by agents. Let me put a hypothetical out there: what WAS had the #10, and Snyder caved in to Crabtree? Snyder would have looked like he does when it comes to killing the FA market, and now he is doing it in the draft, paying Top 5 money for a #10 pick.
I can copy and paste this over and over again, in case you don’t get one sentence that leads into the real point, which I made with the rest of the paragraph.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 31, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
I’m kinda slow so let’s see if I understand you correctly.
The front office was afraid of looking soft if they gave any concession to Crabtree whatsoever.
They could have upped the offer significantly and not compromised the integrity of the slotting system or the League in order to get a true difference maker on the field, but they stubbornly refused to do so because of the perception of weakness.
They were willing to throw the entire season away and lose all hope of making the playoffs this year as long as they could be perceived as ‘tough’ by player’s agents.
Hmmm… That sounds like ‘stubborn-ness’ to me…
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again..
The holdout came from Crabtree’s camp. If you have a player willing to sit out an entire season when he was offered a fair deal, then that’s on the player.
It’s as simple as your blind Man Love for Crabtree.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 31, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and one more thing...
There is that issue of the “tampering” thingy. Let’s not forget about that one, shall we?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 31, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 'tampering' thingy
Again, I’m kinda slow so you’ll have to fill me in on how that is relevant to this conversation.
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's part of the reason he signed
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fair deal...
So, you don’t think upping the offer within the parameters of the slot would have made any difference. I do.
The FO was willing to sacrifice the entire season for a ‘fair’ deal. I think that was a mistake.
And what’s with the snide remarks? Can’t you be civil?
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To paraphrase Winston Wolfe..
sorry if i’m being curt, but you’re not getting the point. Crabtree wanted more money than DHB, or the equivalent. At least that’s what it seems. But to also make a point about the alleged tampering issue that involved the Jets, it seems Crabtree’s camp thought they could get more $$$ by sitting out the season. Once Braylon Edwards came into play, then Crabtree had no leverage if this tampering issue is brought into brighter light. What it came down to was Crabtree thinking he was worth more, and the 49ers offering what they deem as above fair value for drafting him @ the 10 spot.
The 49ers weren’t willing to throw an entire season away with one player. If anything, they were gambling on throwing a 1st round draft pick. The person that stood to lose the most was Crabtree, since his value, again, maybe because the Jets weren’t in play anymore, was lessening with each game missed. Guess what? Even after missing 5 regular season games, he still got (I think) the same deal offered before camp.
You don’t mortgage your future on one player. In the 49ers case, it wasn’t about the $$$, rather it was about how a player and his agent can manipulate the slotting process. Had the 49ers caved in, then a whole can of worms will be opened, the League itself pissed off at 2nd year GM ScotM and 1st year VP Jed for opening that can of worms, and all that hanging over a season where a lot of their decisions is in balance.
You’re thinking that Crabtree would have made a bigger difference in the w-l column. The 49ers won 3 games without him.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 31, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree wanted more money than DHB, or the equivalent. At least that’s what it seems.
Even Deion Sanders said that wasn’t true.
…it seems Crabtree’s camp thought they could get more $$$ by sitting out the season.
No one with any intelligence took that seriously.
Once Braylon Edwards came into play, then Crabtree had no leverage if this tampering issue is brought into brighter light.
You think Braylon Edwards had something to do with it. Even some die hard Niner Nation fans would disagree with you. I’m sure punching a friend of LeBron James outside of a Cleveland night club had nothing to do with it………
What it came down to was Crabtree thinking he was worth more…
Yes, Crabtree wanted more, how much more is what we’re debating.
…and the 49ers offering what they deem as above fair value for drafting him @ the 10 spot.
Crabtree didn’t think it was fair so why not offer a few G’s more? BTW, how did ‘fair’ turn into ‘above fair’?
The person that stood to lose the most was Crabtree…
Exactly why he wasn’t going to sit out the season. But he could have been in camp had the 49ers upped the offer (within the slot of course).
…maybe because the Jets weren’t in play anymore…
Maybe…or maybe it’s pure speculation completely devoid of anything approaching fact. You don’t believe in UFOs, do you?
Guess what? Even after missing 5 regular season games, he still got (I think) the same deal offered before camp.
Exactly my point. Why not offer more within the parameters of the slot?
…rather it was about how a player and his agent can manipulate the slotting process.
Again, you’re talking about breaking the slotting system. I have never endorsed that.
You’re thinking that Crabtree would have made a bigger difference in the w-l column. The 49ers won 3 games without him.
They also lost 2 games without him. Could he have made a difference in those 2 games? Certainly the potential is there. That’s why I brought it up in the first place.
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL..
Even Deion Sanders said that wasn’t true.
Bwah! Deion started the whole speculation that another team had another offer for Crabtree.
No one with any intelligence took that seriously.
Bwah! What, he heldout for 5 games into the season only to get what was already on the table because of some other principle like Brown M&M’s in the locker room?
You think Braylon Edwards had something to do with it. Even some die hard Niner Nation fans would disagree with you. I’m sure punching a friend of LeBron James outside of a Cleveland night club had nothing to do with it………
Bwah! You don’t see the curious coincidence of timing between Edwards and Crabtree’s signings? Oh, I forget, you’re a Crabtree fan who knows nothing about the 49ers.
Yes, Crabtree wanted more, how much more is what we’re debating.
He wanted more than what the 49ers were willing to pay for a 10th pick. Oh, I get it, he just wanted a dollar more for due diligence of the contract. Bwah!
Crabtree didn’t think it was fair so why not offer a few G’s more? BTW, how did ‘fair’ turn into ‘above fair’?
It turned into above fair because Crabtree held out for 5 regular season games.
Exactly why he wasn’t going to sit out the season. But he could have been in camp had the 49ers upped the offer (within the slot of course).
Crabtree’s holding out was his agent’s and his fault. You’re not a 49er fan, just a Crabtree jock licker.
Maybe…or maybe it’s pure speculation completely devoid of anything approaching fact. You don’t believe in UFOs, do you?
Jed York said they will pursue an investigation. You’re the one wearing a Tin Foil jockstrap.
Exactly my point. Why not offer more within the parameters of the slot?
Because the 49ers didn’t have to. Why? Because Crabtree had no leverage left.
Again, you’re talking about breaking the slotting system. I have never endorsed that.
Yes you do when it comes to Crabtree.
They also lost 2 games without him. Could he have made a difference in those 2 games? Certainly the potential is there. That’s why I brought it up in the first place.
And they lost a game with Crabtree.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 31, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, if you didn’t really want to discuss it civilly, you shouldn’t have wasted my time…
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
within the slot system
Wasn’t it reported that the FO offered a contract right up to a penny or a dollar less than the #9 pick? I don’t think you could get any higher & still be within the slotted system. If you think they should have offered more, then you are indirectly advocating a contract outside of the slotted system.
by fl_niner on Oct 31, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been 'repeated'
It was an unsubstantiated rumor.
A ‘source’ said…
Never saw a link that pointed to the FO.
Never.
Believe me, I searched.
by 10forTech on Oct 31, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He signed a worse deal than ofered intiially
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FO should have passed on crabs and traded the pick to the Lions for their #20 and number #33
We could have drafted Oher and Laurinitis then how would we look? Mind you we could still have goten Carolina’s pick. (Ala Patriots)
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And the FO should have drafted Superman…
Wasn’t Spiderman still on the board? He woulda made a helluva receiver…
by 10forTech on Nov 1, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe next time they will go with Juggernaut, Maybe then we will have some holes in the line for Gore to run through..That and no injury risk since Wolverine is on the IR.
Judgment day is coming!
by Widowwolf on Nov 1, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope that Raye has the ability to adapt his offense to the pieces he has now.
The game has changed. The offensive weapons Raye has are different. Gore has been less of a success because of the poor OL play. Gore is the King of the cutback run, but even the cutback lanes are non existant when the Offensive Line is getting beaten so badly. The defense is 5 yards into the backfield right after the snap. Gore has to make a move right after he gets the ball. He shouldn’t have to dodge defenders before he gets the ball!
The Offensive Line has to give Gore and Smith a chance. Raye is going to have to go with screens and rollouts to help slow down the rush. Maybe later on in the game when the pass rush isnt so fierce, he can take a chance or two down the field. But the key is the Offensive line. They have to give Smith more than a three second count. If you watch Manning drop back, he has 4-5 seconds to make a pass even on blitzes.
With the new receivers that the Niners now have, there will be open receivers downfield now. Given time, Smith will hit those receivers. Smith can check down to Davis and Gore when the pressure gets to him too quickly. The key is to keep moving the chains. I think game planning will be improtant. The Niners have to plan for the Offensive Line deficiencies by checking down to the hot recievers as quickly as possible to avoid sacks. They need to plan on taking advantage of the over agressive defensive line and get positive yards by whatever means necessary. The longet they can keep the ball, the less time Manning has to score TD’s. Hopefully Gore will have a good day and Smith will find open receivers quickly. It sure would be great if Smith could play like he did in the second half against the Texans for the whole game against Indy.
I think the only way the Niners beat Indy is by keeping the ball on offense with long ball control drives that end in TD’s. On defense, they need to create turnovers and do whatever they can to slow down Manning. Blitzing wont work because Manning is smart enough to beat any blitz scheme. The will have to get pressure with the front 4 and play straight up man to man and hope that it is enough to slow the Colts down. If the defense can play like they did against Minnesota, we have a chance. If not, well it will be a long plane ride home…
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Nov 1, 2009 12:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Raye has been running the same offense all season . . . I spent the entire week breaking it down . . . NOT A SPREAD OFFENSE SECOND HALF. It’s right there in the interview, the team started the 1st series of the game in 3 WR set trying to pass the ball..
Also, it will be colossal mistake to try to open up the offense up against the Colts. Really, Alex Smith is going to beat Peyton Manning in a shoot out. Would any QB on this planet beat Manning in a shoot out?
by bignerd on Nov 1, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see us winning with any other game plan
If our defense can hold tough, a shoot out gives us the best chance to win in my opinion.
by 10forTech on Nov 1, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shootout with manning?
lol
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you have to keep him off the field but you have to score points in the process
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No? Really?
You’d better get on the phone and call Raye right away. He could use your keen insight.
by 10forTech on Nov 1, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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