49ers 35 - Rams 0: A Tale of Two Halves
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 5:03 PM PDT
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Florida Danny here subbing in for Fooch at the moment. By my estimation, he's currently watching the end of the 3rd quarter on DVR, so I'm sure he'll be available for comment soon. Don't worry, though. I spend enough time on here talking about stats, so this is a victory celebration thread, not a stats thread. And what a victory it was!!!!
Here are my 4 immediate impressions from the game:
- At the end of the 1st half, when the Niners meekishly chose to settle for a 7-0 halftime lead, my friends and I all agreed that there was simply no way the Niners should only be up 7 at home against as bad a team as the Rams. I'm going out on a limb here, but it sure seems like Singletary said something along those same lines in the locker room between halves. If not that, then someone must have spiked the Gatorade. That second half was an awesome display of utter dominaton, especially by the defense.
- Speaking of the defense, their second half performance was definitely sparked by -- who else -- Patrick Willis. What amazed me about Willis' "half of destruction" was how varied it was in its dominance. Ferocious tackles? Check. Sacks? Check. Interception? Check. I mean, after today, is there really anything this guy can't do at Mike LB?
- Watching the game, I was constantly thinking, "Man, Singletary and Raye must have read my post this morning." OK, just kidding. I'm not that much of a narcissist. Really, though, I couldn't believe my eyes watching the plays being called on offense. Actually running off tackle and toward the edges? Check. Throwing to a WR other than Bruce? Check. Throwing the ball downfield more? Check. Basically, I saw everything I wanted to see from the offense in terms of post-MIN adjustments.
- I don't want to end on a negative note, but my last immediate impression was, "Wow. The OL is really bad." We have to keep in mind that the Niners' offense only scored 14 points in this game. To me, it was almost a miracle they scored that many. Shaun Hill was constantly under duress from a JV defense, and it seemed like Coffee had absolutely nothing in the way of holes to run through. One play stood out in particular. In the 2nd quarter, Hill takes a 3-step drop, and gets sacked on his 3rd step!!! That's just unacceptable, and it's especially bad against the lowly Rams. I mean, the interior of the OL can't pass block for 1 second? C'mon guys.
Like I said, though, I don't want to end on a downer. All in all, this was an important win. First, it means the Niners are 3-0 in the division. I'll have a post during the week on how important that is. Second, and this is coming from a M.S. in Sport Psychology, the 49ers showed a lot of mettle and stick-to-it-iveness between the ears. Nolan teams would have folded after a big offensive injury and bad loss in that MIN game. In fact, Nolan's 2007 team did just that after losing Alex Smith and losing at home to SEA in Week 4. After that game, the Niners lost 8 of their next 9. This team is not that team. They don't fold after tough losses.
Another thing they don't do is lose to teams they should kick the crap out of, a definite Nolan trademark. One thing I learned a while back is that -- contrary to conventional wisdom -- what separates the good teams from the great teams is that the great teams always destroy the worst teams. They don't lose to them, they don't toy around with them. Great teams dispatch sorry teams in the manner that befits their sorriness.
So...'twas a great win for the Niners. I saw a alot that I liked. Willis is a beast. That defense is becoming studly. The offense, to their credit, made smart adjustments. Now, just start getting competent blocking by the OL, and this team has a really good chance to become a great team.
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our defense
is an awesome defense! GO NINERS!!
by nacho49 on Oct 4, 2009 5:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think Mike Sando said it best:
The score is 28-0 with 14:14 left in the fourth quarter. The 49ers could be on their way to one of the least impressive blowout victories imaginable. I’m sure they’ll take it.
(-Sando)
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
The O-Line does worry me. Hill was pressured all day and was sacked a couple of times. Either one or two things have to happen. Hill has to feel the pressure better and step up in the pocket or the O-Line needs a change in personel.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
Two of those sacks Hill had no chance
to avoid. He does need to get better pocket sense, but it’s a tough thing to develop when your line can’t protect you for more than 2 or 3 seconds.
our
defense is elite ppl. and willis is on a whole nother level than the rest of the league
Sam Fuld is the more accomplished Major League Hitter- Gordon Wittenmeyer
lol Mr Mayor thinks he's funny
pulling a Stev[ph]en Jackson tampering joke
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 4, 2009 5:21 PM PDT reply actions
Pretty much my thoughts too
Our defense showed that it’s one of the top defenses in the league. Our special teams coverage was once again stellar. Yeah, our offense did score 14 points this game, but that’s what it scored against the Cardinals, Seahawks, and Vikings too.
Our 3rd down percentage is among the worst in the league and it’s not improving.
Against AZ we completed 7/18 for a 38% completion
Against Seattle it 5/15 for 33%
Minnesota was that appalling 0/11 for 0%
And today it was 4/13 for an average of 30% (at least 3 missed 3rd down conversions were the results of dropped passes this time)
We can’t expect to be an elite team unless we can get that number much higher.
I liked what Raye did with the offense this time. I liked him mixing it up, doing some sweeps and screens and what not. I loved the long bomb to Morgan to open up the second half—he should’ve caught that. I hope he continues with that.
But our offense needs definite help. If we get behind by much we’re in trouble. I’d hate to put the game on Hill’s shoulders with 2 minutes left—I don’t think we could do it.
Still, it’s very nice to be number one in the NFC-West. I like our chances of winning 9 or 10 this year and making it to the playoffs. Very encouraging start.
LOL here's a weird thought
Imagine if the Rams end up somehow beat the Vikes their next game.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions
Pass that joint, brother.
I wanna see that too.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 4, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The only way the Vikings are the new Cowboys...
is if they start running around saying “We’re America’s Team,” too. I’m not from Dallas. I think we should probably have let Mexico keep Texas. That team has had more than its share of dope fiends, cheap-shot artists, and jerks. It’s been owned by jerks for as long as I’ve been alive. Why would I be a fan of the Dallas Cowboys? So now I’m not an American? That’s why my day gets a little brighter every time the Cowboys lose. Minnesota can’t hold a candle to that.
If the Rams beat the Vikes, ESPN and every analyst will mourn the loss.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
More likely pretend it never happened and just watch Favre-Lewis highlights all day
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
This defense
is elite.
Oh and to all the Seahawks fans who were so impressed with their shutout of the Rams…
Guess who just one-upped you!
They got owned and destroyed hahahaha!!!! We Run The West!!
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 4, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t aware that there were any teams Nolan’s teams should have destroyed.
And the thing I noticed about this game: The first half was as frustrating to watch as the second half was fun to watch. And that was a lot.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I'd rather have a slow start than a slow dropping end.
We held the shutout..we did what we didnt’ do last weekend. If we’d done that (yes it was the Rams vs it being the Vikings) we would have ended up winning that last game as well.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
here's a refresher course
2006
win 3 in a row to get themselves into the playoff picture at 5-5. go to STL to face a 4-6 rams squad who were on a 5-game losing streak, the last of which being a 15-0 loss to CAR. Nolan’s Niners proceed to lose to that team who they should have destroyed…you know, if the Niners were actually legit. then, after getting throttled @ NO, they come home to play GB, who were 4-8 and had lost their last 3 in a row. Nolan’s Niners proceed to get throttled again 30-19.
as i said in the post…good teams win the games they’re supposed to win, and great teams destroy the teams they’re supposed to destroy. Nolan’s Niners did neither in 2006. rather, they basically eliminated themselves from playoff contention by losing 3 in a row after getting to 5-5, with 2 of the 3 losses coming against teams that they should have at least beat if they were actually a good team. instead, as we all found out, they were a fraud. this year’s team is no fraud, and today’s game kind of proved that.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
But it was nice to see our D hold and to see our O keep the ball in their hands to run the clock out. Possibly the prettiest play of the day was the one we had 1 yards on, the kneel down. :) We beat the Cards, we beat the Hawks, we showed our own but lost to the the Vikes and we destroyed the Rams. Looking good so far, next test in a fall and winter of endless final exams comes up against the Dirty Birds.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok I guess you can't use negative numbers here LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
You can’t put two negative signs in the same post or it’ll be -1 + -2 = -3
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Der...
I dunno…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I Wasn't Impressed
with the offensive performance at all. The line didn’t play that well and Coffee didn’t have many holes to run through, he also didn’t have that RB instinct between the tackles. The receivers dropped too many passes and Morgan especially on that one where Hill glided the ball right in there. Plus the play calling wasn’t that good up until the 2nd half when they opened it up some. And look what happened?
Regarding the defense. Well it is right up there with the best in the entire league. Justin Smith, Ray McDonald and Franklin up front played one hell of a game. Forget about Willis being the best LB in the league, he is the best defensive player in the league plain and simple. Spikes was all over the field and his passion was 2nd to none. But what about Manny Lawson? He looked dominating today and i think he has taken the game to the next level. Lets face one reality, THE RAMS SUCK!!!!!!! But the secondary played real well as well, this against the worse group of receivers in the NFL.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions
The Play Calling?
Jimmy Raye did everything that was complained about throughout the week and he still gets raked over the coals for play calling.
I don't have any complaints about the playcalling
I really liked the mix actually—and I said that several times through the game.
The execution sucked big time though.
Play calling has never been the issue.
It’s the execution. I seen some nice plays drawn up that weren’t executed. The offense needs more reps in the playbook.
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
I actually have more complaints about the offensive line, then I do about Raye’s playcalling.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
Definitely our weak spot...
Is it the quality of the players and it’ll never improve or is it the chemistry between them and it’ll improve over the season? This is the key that’ll make the difference between 8-8 and a first round exit and 12-4 and maybe a few more wins.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Talking About The First Half
It improved dramatically in the 2nd half. I again and just saying it wasn’t all that great. I guess i just want to see them open it up for Hill. But Raye did do a good job in the 2nd half.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions
First drive of the second half
Was a long bomb to Morgan who basically dropped it.
When your receivers are dropping the ball and the O-line isn’t protecting you long enough to throw it deep, it’s hard to open it up.
By The Way
Can someone tell me why Rossum was de-activated for the game? Apparently it wasn’t an injury but rather a coaches decision. Is Rossum going to be released? And why was Battle and Walker returning kicks and not Spurlock. I am really confused. Some help here
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions
i thought robinson and walker only returned kicks in preseason
why do we want robinson returning anyway? he doesnt have top line speed and his blocking against AZ last season are what allowed rossum to take it to the house anyway
And Spurlock wasn't active either.
Hmmm.
by Bob In Beaverton on Oct 4, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
from Maiocco
“Singletary said he wanted to have an extra linebacker in uniform, so the 49ers de-activated Allen Rossum and Micheal Spurlock. Arnaz Battle struggled on punt returns with two fumbles (no turnovers). Battle had 3 yards on three returns and caught two fair catches.”
Hope not Steve
Sheets has more chance of an impact at this point than the man with the crabs on the brain. IMHO. Crabby has more chance of another stress fracture or some other type of injury. Coffee Sheets could be a nice young change up with Mr Big (Gore) coming in to show how it’s really done.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea I like Sheets too
I’d like to see a 3 back system like last years Giants with 3 backs who have different styles to keep the defense on their toes (I’m not counting Robinson). But If what they are saying about his pass blocking is true, then perhaps he is best left off for now, with the possibility of him coming in later this season. Would hate for him to have to sit out like Clayton did the past couple of years and never get activated.
Who do you think that Sing yelled more at during Halftime?
The players or Raye?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions
The problem with the O-line is that they are slow off the snap, period!
faster D-linemen get into them before they can get set and as a result it is chaos after the snap…when the D-line is slow and we can get set then we can handle them because of the sheer size of them.
The one play where Hill had a HUGE pocket to throw from is where he found Vernon for an open first down. Too bad these are few and far between
McGM likes to have big bodies in there but what he has overlooked is quick feet and athleticism off of the snap. Coach McKittrick would probably be disgusted with this group.
The o line is going to have fun on tuesday lol.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 4, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL you saying
“Gentleman, see this hill? You’ve seen it many a time, now get to know it very well.”?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Jimmy Raye
John Lynch (who actually PLAYED the game, at it’s highest level):
“I like the creativity, I like the imagination of the offense under Jimmy Raye.”
The average Niner fan: “Jimmy Raye is an idiot.”
Oh well.
Up to this game
Raye had been an idiot. I really liked the mix of calls this game. I hope he continues with it.
Up to this game?
Like, from the opening play of the opening game with his NEW team (and playing two games in two of the worst stadiums for crowd noise), he should’ve been OPENING it UP?
Unfortunately, many here and elsewhere simply DON’T understand the game of football.
Sorry!
Unfortunately, many here and elsewhere simply DON’T understand the game of football.
I’m sure the irony of this statement is completely lost on you.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
Not at all.
I DO understand the game. I know that it’s infinitely more difficult than it appears to be, to all the geniuses watching at home (you know, the ones that ALWAYS know the perfect call to make). LOLOLOLOLOL!
That mainly comes from my following the game religously for over 40 years, and also having friends that actually played in the NFL.
Sorry.
Hey drummer!
Where’d ya go the other night?
I notice that you DISAPPEARED after I challenged you on your pals (FO).
You know, the knuckleheads who predicted that (excuse wme while I bust a gut) that the Rams would be their surprise team of 2009 (winning at least 7 games) and that the 49ers were only marginally better than Detroit and would probably ONLY win three games in 2009!
Too funny (and TOO STUPID)! BTW – They ain’t looking so hot, what with the Rams at 0-4 and YOUR 49ers at 3-1!
Where are you now, drummer, to defend your boys at FO????
Bawk . . . Bawk . . . Bawk . . . (at least be a MAN and say SOMETHING about it – preferably something INTELLIGENT)!!!!!!
FO messed up
But I’ve never cared for their predictions.
You can’t really argue the validity of DVOA though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe this.
Perhaps they should STOP making predictions.
Beyond that, there’s this (which is STUPID)!
They had Brandon Marshall as a top 10 WR in 2008, and Devin Hester as being in the 50’s. Can’t do it. It can’t be done.
One (Marshall) had the rocket armed QB and the offensive genius on his team. The other (Hester) was just in his SECOND year (at any level) of playing WR and had Kyle Orton as his QB on a defensive, running oriented team.
Hello! How can you even REMOTELY compare the two? Answer? You can’t!
Completely different circumstances for Marshall & Hester in 2008.
Pure nonsense.
speaking as the resident FO guy...
…i’m pretty sure drummer is ranked about 100th in FO love on NN. he’s as skeptical of them as anyone.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
All I remember Danny is drummer
attacking me about how great FO was and how stupid I was that I didn’t ‘understand it.’
Of course he attacks me constantly, so whatever.
Regarding predictions, NOBODY, as far as the NFL can even come close. So why bother? Personally, I never do. You’ll neve hear me utter a prediciton (as far as won/loss). NEVER!
Show of hands? I say that we have two teams here (Tennessee & Denver). One is 4-0 & the other is 0-4.
How many (BEFORE the start of the NFL season) has DENVER as the 4-0 team (and not the Titans)?
Exactly.
Anytime anyone tries to tell me how smart they are with their preseason ‘predictions’ . . . AFTER I stop laughing, I say BU++S++T!
Complete nonsense.
BTW: (Anyone who, based on Singletary’s audition last season, COULDN’T see/undersatnd that they were going to be greatly improved in 2009, really doesn’t understand the game of football).
Period.
actually...
and you can choose to believe me on this or not…
but i came up with a statistical model that predicts win change from one year to the next in the NFL based on various pieces of information about the previous season and changes made in the offseason. the model’s top 3 in terms of win increase were DET, SEA, CIN; GB was 8th, NO was 11th, and SF was 12th. the top 3 in terms of loss increase were TEN, CAR, IND; with MIA 4th. i’d say that’s looking pretty good so far. not perfect, of course. but no one and no model can perfectly predict anything. that doesn’t mean that, as you say, NOBODY EVER COMES CLOSE!!!!
p.s. like i said, you can believe me or not. i didn’t post anything about it because i’m still working out the kinks and adding more info to the model. besides, whenever it is as good as i want it to be, i’ll be charging for it.
p.p.s. when you say NOBODY EVER COMES CLOSE…i assume you’re not aware of the billions of dollars people with stat-based against-the-spread systems are making these days. you must be talking about the talking heads on the pregam shows or the blowhards on sports radio.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
i should add...
…in fairness, that, FO has been great on some specific predictions (e.g., having PHI rated way higher than their reg season record indicated last year…that is, before PHI’s playoff run) and pretty bad on other specific predictions (e.g., the ones you cite). other people, like nate silver, have been astonishingly good at making stat-based predictions.
what i would challenge you to do is predict every game every week…and predict every record for every team each season…and post it in a fanshot, so we can ridicule you for the inaccuracy of your predictions the same way you’re ridiculing FO for theirs. i think shakespeare works here to describe your told-you-so-ness: “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”.
p.s. i omitted the “it’s a tale told by an idiot…” beginning of that quote out of respect to you.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's not..
Let reality seep in here Danny. It’s more fun watching a grown man with “Superior Football Knowledge” meltdown here.
Well, we're waiting....
reality...
it’s my weakness.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Even though I can be skeptical..
about FO and any other stat based analysis, at least I appreciate them more, as well as the science, when someone like you explains them. Some people don’t like the predictions, but I think they were pretty spot on about the 49ers last season, no?
I still can’t figure out Pro Football Reference’s stat models. That’s some real geeky stuff.
What I like about FO and your posts is that they break down the games in more detail.
Well, we're waiting....
to me...
…a lot of P-F-R’s stuff seems to me to be just mathematics rather than statistics. it’s like they take one NFL stat and divide it by another NFL stat, and call it a “rating” of some sort for teams/players/etc. i really don’t read their blog much, so i don’t want to poo poo it too much. just going by what i’ve seen. i mean, certainly, they do about as good a job as anyone as far as intelligently using NFL stats goes. in particular, their revision of the NFL pythagorean wins stat was a good one. i think by far, though, their main contribution to NFL stat analysis is their stat database. the amount of historical info they have on that site is awe-inspiring.
i’d say FO and P-F-R are apples and oranges. P-F-R is more about the application of already-available measurements, whereas FO is about (a) producing a better measurement from a methodological standpoint, and (b) applying those measurements. you’ll notice that FO is constantly updating and refining the methods behind their stats. that’s what a good measurement specialist should do. take it from a fellow measurement specialist.
p.s. i just sent you the QB rating article i promised.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny post...
Over at Football Guy’s Free for All board about PFR’s Chase Stuart (who posts there):
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=493675&hl=chase+stuart
=)
Well, we're waiting....
LOL...
Here is something everybody should realize about you here.
Ready?
You’re a grown man.
Bwah!
Well, we're waiting....
I'm a Man! I'm 40
I’m not here to mock anybody, but it just reminded me of the Mike Gundy press conference (an extremely short portion of it).
by David Fucillo on Oct 4, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Ughh jeez I hate those type of people
They think they know way more than everybody else. Just keep your comments to yourself now. If you keep acting all arrogant people aren’t going to care what you write no matter how much you think you may know. That statement bothers me mr. Self-proclaimed football know it all. Alot of people might like what you have to say. Just be less arrogant and alot of people will take you more serious.
by 49ersAllTheWay on Oct 4, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No facts can support that statement. He has to allow the offense time to evolve within the playbook.
This team is not ready to open it up as we seen today against the Rams. Too bad Spagnulo is the coach other wise the DL wouldn’t play so well. I have to give my hat off to Raye. It’s not that the plays are predictable, the OL is missing assignments and making bad plays, I specifically watched it closely.
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
You mean what Lynch said in the second half?
When he had opened it up?
Like what people are applauding him for in this very thread?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
context
I get the point you’re trying to make about “average 49er fans” but I think you should consider the context of everything. John Lynch was applauding the play-calling in this game. And I do applaud it as Raye actually mixed in useful things like more quick passes, screens and outside runs.
Raye’s play-calling was decidedly un-creative the first three games. It’s great that he mixed it up this time, even if the execution was less than stellar at times. But you’re cherry picking a comment that doesn’t consider the context of the full season.
by David Fucillo on Oct 4, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's the problem.
There are two types of NFL fans (Bears, Broncos, 49ers, etc):
The MAJORITY (who criticize pretty much everything). For example, if their team scores 35, they’re not really happy as they SHOULD’VE (if they didn’t have idiot coaches and players) scored 48 or 54! They’re on EVERY teams blog.
And the minority (such as myself) who, as much as they follow football, REALIZE that we don’t know the gameplan. We don’t know EXACTLY what the coaches and players are trying to do on any given play (the in-depth stuff). We don’t watch the COACHES tape (all 22 players) and the practices so on and so forth.
That’s why most NFL players and coaches hold fans in almost complete disdain and contempt. That’s what Jim Mora Sr. meant while he said (at a NO Saint press conference to the assembled media): “You (the media) don’t know. You don’t know. And you NEVER will.” What he meant was this: You judge and critique and analyze and yet really, you don’t know S++T!
Nothing personal. I follow this stuff to a ridiculous level. But I’m smart enought o know and understand that really, I don’t know Jack S++T (in the words of Buddy Ryan). And neither do any of you.
In the NFL, there are the ’haves’and the ‘have nots.’
The players and coaches are the ‘haves.’ Try as we might, the rest of us are the ‘have nots.’ We are on the ‘outside looking in.’ They are in the ‘inside looking out.’
Remember SB XXX (here in Tempe. The Steelers against the Cowboys). The one where QB Neil O’Donnell threw two easy INT"s right into the hands of SB MVP Larry Brown.
Neil was considered the goat of that SB. Just one problem. One was his fault. The other? Clearly the fault of the WR (Andre Hastings) who cut the WRONG way on the play. This was later confirmed by back-up QB Mike Tomczack among others.
Hard to criticize the QB when the WR cuts the WRONG Way . . . but that’s exactly what happened.
O’Donnell has never lived that down, and yet he was only 50% responsible for what happened near the end of the game. How does the average fan, watching at home, know exactly who is at fault? Answer . . . they pretty much don’t.
And yet these blogs are filled with geniuses who know EVERYTHING (and actually, know very little).
Sorry.
Here is an easy solution fer ya...
Don’t read or post in them. You don’t add anything to them being that you know about as much as anybody else here, yet really fail at showing what you know that isn’t some anecdotal yadda yadda yadda.
This is a 49er fan board. It’s not an “Official NFL Players Blog”. If your purpose is to demean everybody here because they don’t play or coach in the NFL, well, you’re insane for doing that.
But, LOL, you do provide a purpose here. You have become my favorite source to ridicule, and man, you don’t have any quit in that respect.
Well, we're waiting....
Knowledge
Then why do you waste your time at a site where people are going to frustrate you with their lack of knowledge? Nobody here claims to know everything there is about football, and yet you have no problem claiming to know more than anybody. If everybody is beneath you in terms of football knowledge, why stick around?
by David Fucillo on Oct 4, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The best
Willis play was the last sack at the end when he hurdled then poor fullback trying to pick him up. Kyle Boller must’ve shat himself on that one when he saw Willis hurdle that guy.
Boller is used to dirty drawers
He practiced with Ray Ray didn’t he? LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll Take It
I was watching at my local sports pub, and I met a couple of old 9ers fans. We talked about the “old days” as I go back to Brodie, and they could talk about Tittle. We agreed that we like a WIN!
Key to the game: Score More
Wow!
Started reading this and thought “back to Brodie?” And then read back to Tittle. Just wow. My Dad got my mom’s wedding ring in SF after seeing a game at Kezar and I’m old. (Not meaning that detrimentally towards any of us LOL) And yes a win is nice and a decisive win with points scored by “all three teams” is nicer stilland a shut out is always kinda like that feeling you get on Thanksgiving when you sit down satiated. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Willis = Whole Package
The stats speak for themselves. What I loved was the post game interview where he gave all the credit to his teammates and coaches. This guy is beyond something special.
J Raye’s playcalling…. let’s just say I let out a huge sigh of relief. It looks like this guy is more adaptable than he’s been showing us so far. The true test will be what he does when he gets Gore back. But I have hope.
I also love that this was truly a team win. Everybody got involved, and everbody stepped up. All we have to do is bring our OL up to Mike’s standards…..
…..we’ll have a JUGGERNAUGHT!
WTF is FF at?
How many times did he call Willis one dimensional and Tatupa a complete LB. Froggy how bout them 9ers, you know the 3rd best team in the division
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
I went to my first game in several years and had a good time, though the first half was extremely frustrating. I had a bad feeling about it after the first half, but I had faith that Singletary wouldn’t let them come out for the second half so flat. And he didn’t!
Patrick Willis is beyond description.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Was this one of the games that Chumley was going to?
I hope so, sounds like she deserves to see a game like this and I’d love to see/hear her input.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh, I wish
I would have slapped my momma to be at that game. Watched it at ye ole watering hole in Ramsland and it took every bit of class and tact in my person to not gloat. Cuz I’m not like that. Woo sportsmanship.
I just thought I’d add, too—I’m really enjoying this thread. There are a lot of differing opinions and I feel like I’m learning a lot. Eat sleep breathe football!
Glen Coffee... Not impressed
but at least he doesn’t fumble
Sheets needs to be there for a few downs.
Its not the running philosophy that’s the problem. Its the running threat. Coffee does not have enough burst to scare away the DB’s.
Atlanta will kill us if we don’t make a move this week.
Atlanta will kill us if we don’t make a move this week.
Not on defense, they wont.
They’re not that good.
They have one good pass rusher, a young and promising QB, a No.1 WR, and a HOF TE.
They’ll present a good challenge, but it’s not like they’ll blow us out.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
They can. Our offense is going to have to start PRODUCING!
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
Plus it's in SF
It’ll be a close game, for sure. Let’s hope we don’t give up a kick return for a TD and then lie down on D at the end… I’m thinking something like 20-13 Niners. ATL beat the Dolphins and Carolina handily, but got beat pretty bad by New England. We should win this game at home.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure he impresses me either but question is, will he do?
3.1 yards is not much but not exactly paltry. And yes 74 yards is kinda paltry, he’s not an AD nor is he a Gore. Pats shut down the dirty birds and Turner the Burner and without Seymour we shut down AD. It’ll be a good game that’s for sure and that’s all I have to say. What were the run plays that Coffee played were they all up the middle? Sorry guys suffering from not being able to see the game here.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Coffee wasn’t exactly fast at Alabama. I watched a lot of his games last season, and he is a run it up the middle and grind on the defense kind of guy.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
whats interesting
is that coffee actually had a faster 40 time than both knowshon moreno and beanie wells. Chew on that
by Salem Team Regional on Oct 4, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't know that.
Interesting
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Its not the running philosophy that’s the problem.
before today, the running philosophy was at least part of the problem. i’s just bad football to go up the middle on every running play when every team in the league has scouted your tendencies and knows how often you run up the middle. to his credit, raye mixed in outside runs and off-tackle runs today a lot more than he had been the first 3 games.
Coffee does not have enough burst to scare away the DB’s.
how do you make this assessment? the guy hasn’t had any holes to run through. it’s kind of hard to scare away DBs when you’re busy trying to just make it back to the line of scrimmage. barry sanders would have a hard time running behind this OL. it’s that bad at run-blocking right now.
Atlanta will kill us if we don’t make a move this week.
no they won’t. they specifically drafted DT peria jerry this season because they sucked stopping up-the-middle runs. he played well, then got hurt, and now he’s out for the year. so ATL’s run defense is right back where it was last year. namely, 28th in DL ALY and 27th in power run-stopping success. those stats are even worse than STL’s.
the niners will be fine next week in the running game.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont think
St Louis was supposed to be good stopping the run either?! They currently rank 24th and Coffee got what 3.1 yrds a carry?
Oh and about the DB comment
Coffee was getting caught from behind when corners were calling the run and coming off the ends. I likes some of the stretch plays. I like how he holds the ball. I don’t like his galloping footwork. He is not an every down back.
And Baltimore today for sure says thank you.
BTW Gaither last I heard had feeling and movement in all extremities. Let’s all hope and pray for a good and speedy recovery.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
SD is Tissue Soft
I expected a Steeler win but this game is ridiculous. Firing Marty was the worst move ever, they have turned into a bunch headline reading wimps.
Dang! Someone got the Steelers fired up
Sounds like Tomlin pulled a Sing musta pulled his pants down!
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
Get rid of Bochy and Sabean, it's time for something new.
I'm showing my age I guess
Mike Wallace formerly of 60 Minutes as in the show probably just statring on CBS right now in SF
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That's
Just absolutely random LMFAO
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Norv is a great Coordinator but a horrible Head Coach
same with Wade Phillips in Dallas
Kinda Like Nolan
Nolan was a horrible head coach. But look what he has done on defense with the Broncos.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Just saw the 35-0 score on the bottomline on ESPN...
made me happy all over again!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
Get rid of Bochy and Sabean, it's time for something new.
It’s awesome to know that the 49ers have a future hall of fame Linebacker in Patrick Willis. This kid is absolutely unstoppable, and he treated Stephen Jackson and Adrian Peterson like bad step-children in consecutive weeks.
Hell yeah.
wait...
derek smith and jeff ulbrich aren’t hall of famers? wtf?!?!?!?! ;-)
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Oct 4, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
bring on Michael Turner
I’m anxious to see how the 49ers D does against an offense like Atlanta. Michael Turner, Matt Ryan, Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez, Michael Jenkins. Some solid talent too contend with.
by David Fucillo on Oct 4, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya know...Staley's on Twitter...
We should encourage him to have a chit chat with Jimmy. Despite the blow out,—for which I am grateful, and with which I am thrilled—our offense had too many pointless run plays. Ugh, my God, I am so tired of seeing a stuffed run on 3rd and 8.
Also, not to troll, but this maybe we can take the heat off of Hill for a while, considering at least three of his awesome passes this game were dropped. Just sayin’.
The game was ugly in the first half, but I am so stoked right now. Doing my victory dance (drinking Sierra Nevada Pale Ale) and hoping for some beat down on ATL next Sunday.
Go Niners!
Staley
Maybe Fooch can land an interview?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
great win
OL needs to step it up.. raye showed signs of a pulse. shotgun very successful??? i may be misremembering the shotgun plays, but i recall them being positive plays for the most part, especially with the subpar pass blocking.. the san diego bLOLts
didn't get to watch the whole game, but
I love Patrick Willis at an unhealthy level. The man is a monster and I want the FO to start talking extension like yesterday.
I think VD is finally living up to his potential.
Finally a Josh Morgan TD!
Today was a good day.
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
important to remember
Jimmy Raye… 5th offensive coordinator in five years. Not only that but consider the assignments of the players who have been here for any significant amount of time. We went from a Mike Martz offense to a Jimmy raye style. I predicted (as everyone should have) early season struggles for the offense. Instead of piling on I would like to state I am encouraged by what I see.
1.) Hill is protecting the ball and completing a good pct of passes.
2.) Vernon Davis has emerged as an ELITE tight end.
3.) We have shown glimpses of explosiveness from the running game.
4.) The playbook looks like it is expanding every game.
From what i’ve seen, Jimmy Raye has really simplified the offense. We don’t do anything tricky and are predictable at times. I believe this is necessary. Don’t overwhelm your young offensive line, your relatively new QB or your (other than bruce) very young receiving corp. Pick your spots and grow week by week. Thats what is happening.
I now predict by the end of this year our offense will be more dynamic and our playbook shall be robust.
As for P Willis. I’m dressing up like 52 for halloween, that man is scary!
by Salem Team Regional on Oct 4, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions
4.) The playbook looks like it is expanding every game.
A’men. Don’t throw the entire playbook at them and expect a high level of performance. Yes, they’re professionals, but NFL playbooks have well over 200 plays in them. Asking everybody to be ready for any of those plays on day 1 is a fool’s errand. Start small and work it up from there. And Hill is being the consumate “game manager.” Color me excited. I just wish Coffee had handled that flip in the Minny game a little better… that was a good play.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
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