Panthers Watch 2009: Bye forces no decision
Our newly beloved Carolina Panthers were off this week with a much needed bye week. The Panthers have been pretty close to abysmal through three weeks of the season and stand 0-3. Oh but wait, I'm not a Panthers fan!!! As a 49ers fan, I could not be happier about the performance of the 2009 Carolina Panthers. I find myself especially excited because John Fox has declared that Jake Delhomme will remain his starting QB with an emphatic YES.
For some of our newer readers who have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, remember that the 49ers own the Panthers 2010 first round draft pick. Accordingly, each Sunday (or Monday as was the case last week) I'll be posting a recap of the Carolina Panthers game that day. Given this week's bye, I thought I'd take another angle on this. People have discussed the Panthers remaining schedule off and on, but I thought I'd offer up a more formal post for folks to look over the remainder of the Panthers 2009 schedule. After the jump we do a breakdown with of the Panthers remaining schedule with some quick predictions.
If you're looking to continue the 49ers-Rams post-game discussion, head on over to Florida Danny's recap thread.
10/11 - vs. Washington - W - The Redskins did manage a win over the Bucs today, but Washington is not particularly good. The Panthers are not going to go 0-16 and with a bye week to prepare for Washington and the idiocy of Jim Zorn, I think they can pull out the home win. They'll erase that zero next week.
10/18 - @Tampa Bay - W - I think TB could spring the upset at home, but they're going to battle the Rams most of the season for that #1 draft choice. The Bucs do have some talent on their team, but given their QB troubles and having such a young coach, I don't think they beat Carolina either time this season.
10/25 - vs. Buffalo - L - Buffalo is really struggling and part of this prediction might be in part due to a interim coach early surge. Yes, I think it's safe to say Dick Jauron does not last the season in Buffalo. The Bills are a very talented team and I think (or maybe I'm just hoping) they can pull the road "upset."
11/1 - @ Arizona - L - The Cardinals have had their struggles this year, but I think they can pull the home victory over the Panthers. Part of the problem in predicting these later games is whether John Fox has been canned. As is the case in my description of Buffalo, a post-firing surge is always a possibility. Let's keep our fingers crossed that Fox sticks around!
11/8 - @ New Orleans - L - The Saints will destroy them. I just see no two ways around this fact.
11/15 - vs. Atlanta - L - Part of this will depend on how Atlanta lasts over the course of the year. Maybe the 49ers can break their spirit next week! But in all seriousness, the Falcons are a solid team. Maybe not great, but they are good enough to take advantage of a bad Carolina team.
11/19 - vs. Miami - W - This could be an ugly game that we get stuck with on national television (NFL Network Thursday game). A short week could mean all sorts of potential happenings.
11/29 - @ NY Jets - L - It'll be interesting to see how the Mark Sanchez is God campaign is going at this point in New York. Sanchez had a bit of a wake-up call today, so we'll see how he rebounds in the coming weeks. But the Jets are solid enough all around to take care of business.
12/6 - vs. Tampa Bay - W - Meh. It's the Bucs.
12/13 - @ New England - L - The Patriots are not downright dominant, but they're starting to take care of their business. I think they wipe the floor with their former Super Bowl competition. Still amazes me Jake Delhomme took the Panthers to the Super Bowl.
12/20 - vs. Minnesota - W - Consider this in the midst of Brett Favre's expected end of season swoon. The Vikings bring a solid defense, but Favre gets into a turnover battle with Delhomme and loses.
12/27 - @ NY GIants - L - I'd imagine the Giants will be battling for something at this point, whether it be a playoff spot, the division title, or some kind of home field advantage. Given that and how the Giants appear to be rounding into form, I think New York could wipe the floor with the Panthers.
1/3 - vs. New Orleans - L - This is one of the more interesting games on the schedule. If New Orleans has wrapped up home field advantage for the playoffs (definitely a possibility), they might end up sitting Brees and company a lot sooner than normal. If that's the case, we could see this flip to the win column for Carolina. No guarantees, but you never know.
So there you have it. My quick predictions come out at 5-11. Obviously there are several games that could go either way in my predictions. It's also hard when you're looking at a bad team because there is the potential for personnel and coaching replacements. The Panthers don't exactly have great QB options behind Delhomme. Of course going with a Matt Moore or A.J. Feeley could actually benefit the team given that they would probably try and rely more on the ground game. And of course, if the team fires John Fox, who knows what kind of bounce (if any) the Panthers would get.
I did a quick review of the draft order since 2000. A 5-11 team has drafted as high as 4th and as low as 10th. Below is the season and then the pick numbers for 5-11 teams.
| Year | Picks |
| 2008 | 7, 8 |
| 2007 | 7, 8 |
| 2006 | 5, 6 |
| 2005 | 8, 9, 10 |
| 2004 | 4, 5, 6, 7 |
| 2003 | 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| 2002 | 5, 6 |
| 2001 | 4, 5 |
| 2000 | 6, 7, 8 |
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SportingNews has us projected to pick WR Dez Bryant from OK State. I guess they figure Crabtree is never signing.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
I would guess
we are going after an OT in the draft first.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 4, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
a right tackle with a pick that high? waste of money.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
I'm afraid Staley might be more suited for RT
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 5, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Dez Bryant?
Ew
I’d rather have LaFell or Williams….
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Any of them as explosive!
We need a gamebreaker at WR.
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Eric Berry anyone?
I'd rather have a true No.1 WR
Williams is a prototypical No.1 WR.
We have a gamebreaker in VD, who’s our No.1 guy?
Issac Bruce?
He’d be a No.2 on most other teams.
IMO I think “explosive” WRs are somewhat overrated, would you rather have Andre Johnson or Desean Jackson?
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You can only have 1
I’d rather have the big-time No.1 WR that can be a consistent producer.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
That's right
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Andre Johnson is very explosive, best WR in the league!
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He's not exactly a "playmaker"
Like a Percy Harvin or Desean Jackson.
He’s a prototypical No.1 WR that runs great routes, gets open, and makes fantastic catches.
What I’m saying is that I’d rather have a true No.1 guy that you can count on on every single snap rather than a guy you bring in on 3rd downs or trick play situations.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 5, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a playmaker?
He makes more plays than Harvin or Jackson.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 5, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was hesitant on the title
I thought it would be misinterpreted.
And it was.
I put playmaker in quotation marks (" ") for a reason.
“playmaker” is a term given to 3rd down players that make big plays here an there.
BTW: I wouldn’t compare Dez Bryant to Andre Johnson….Bryant’s route running is nothing spectacular.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 5, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
RE: 3rd down players
I’ve never heard of “3rd down players” being called play makers. Andre Johnson, in case you didn’t know, is a 1st, 2nd and 3rd down player.
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by methodrampage on Oct 6, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
A playmaker makes plays in any situation.
He has the break away speed, jumping ability, solid hands, and a huge frame. Dez Bryant is closer to him than D jack, Crabtree or any other WR coming out in the draft, he just doesn’t have the hands!
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For sure
Lets hope he Declares though.
His stats are going to suffer this season because of Barkley (which may cause him to fall in the draft) and he may want to come back to try to improve his stats.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The niners should
draft Russell Okung, the big OT with our first pick, then take Ndamukong Suh, the DT out of Nebraska. Then, if the they get the Jets pick from the alleged Crabtree tampering thing, they take Dez Bryant or Arrelious Benn. Super Bowl.
Pablo Sandoval eats Dodgers for lunch. And sometimes dinner.
The 49ers could get a top RT or LG or even WR in free agency in 2010.
But I like your choice of Okung and Suh…
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Okung is probably going to be a top 5 pick
And you don’t pay a RT top 5 money.
Plus N. Suh will probably be the first D-lineman taken in the draft (Rams?)
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Assumin the Panthers net us the 6th pick, which is probably what they’ll do, Okung will most likely fall to us. If not, we take Eric Berry and then Carlos Dunlap.
Pablo Sandoval eats Dodgers for lunch. And sometimes dinner.
even if he does fall to No.6
You just don’t pay a RT that much money.
They are already paying Staley LT money.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There is good chance Staley would eventually move back to RT if we drafted another 1st Rnd OT. The 49ers hinted at it this year before the draft.
Wasn't that before they extended him?
Although it would make sense given Staley’s mauler attitude…
I still like Joe Staley as the LT of the future.
I just see no point in spending a top 10 pick on a player that might not even be better than what we already have (Okung has a high ceiling, but he’s still unproven).
Of course if a top-tier OT falls to us at, say the 10-15th pick, and there is no better player available, I wouldn’t be against the pick.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Difference
Oher’s contract is probably pretty small.
Definitely not top 10 money.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
His extension isn't paying him a lot!
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Ok
But how do you know the guy you draft is better than Staley?
What do you do if the new guy can’t unseat Staley and can’t win the LT job.
I still think that there are plenty of good OTs in the draft and that it’s not necessary to spend a top 10 pick on one of them if all you want from that pick is a RT.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 5, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I used to think the same
But I’ve come to the opinion that there are far worse places to dump money than your OL.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 5, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
But in some situations there are better places to dump your money.
Of course, we don’t know what situation the 49ers will be in.
So arguments over something like this are pretty pointless.
I’ll withdraw all of my previous arguments based on this.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 5, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Prediction
I think you’d do better if you switched the Miami Buffalo predictions, though I think the Panthers will lose both those games.
i dont see them beating minnesota
adrian peterson is the bigger part of that offense, and i think that should help offset any late-season collapse by the Dark Magician.
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Everyone knows I want Eric Berry
Panthers 0-3, Browns 0-4, Chiefs 0-4, Rams 0-4, TB 0-4, and Tenn. 0-4………Chiefs, Rams, TB, Browns will be 1-4 in the draft I don’t see any of them drafting Berry so hopefully we get lucky and can grab him. The panthers aren’t as bad but their schedule is grueling. Keepin hope alive for EB.
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Eric Berry anyone?
F(site decorum) right!
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
I want to ask where you think teams will be drafting?
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
Pretty much draft position on supposed non playoff teams!
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
I know people want O lineman and a QB, but who wants to put the money into a 1st rond QB?
How about a post about a DREAM 1st round, and the NINERS have the two selections that are set in stone and nothing coming from tampering?
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Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
Draft...
Umm… I think Shaun Hill is a winner and all, but with 2 first round picks next year there’s NO WAY the 49ers aren’t drafting a QB.
-- Jay T.
RE: there’s NO WAY the 49ers aren’t drafting a QB.
Says who? If Hill keeps playing like he is I don’t think the Niners will feel rushed to draft a QB. Plus it depends a lot on Nate Davis. I also think the the draft will be deep at QB. I seriously doubt the Niners take a QB that early. An impact OL and DB would be bigger needs for this team.
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by methodrampage on Oct 5, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Eric Berry or Bust
Berry is a great fit, especially with Lewis getting older. Maybe shift Goldson over to SS once Lewis’ contract ends. Talk about some speed and playmaking on the field. Plus he’s just an all-around talent. Just imagine him paired up with Willis. That said, I don’t think he’d be available barring a top-5 pick, though i’d love to see trading up for him.
What I really see happening, however, is the team trading down for some picks into the teens/20’s and taking a OT or a rush OLB there. Targeting someone like Cirron Black from LSU or Bryan Bulaga from Iowa would help solve the RT problem. For OLB, Jerry Hughes from TCU seems pretty intriguing. Sergio Kindle from Texas, Greg Hardy from Ole’ Miss (granted that he can show he can stand up) and Brandon Lang from Troy are also some names to keep in mind.
Regarding a couple of the other prospects mentioned, I’m not sure how they fit into our defensive system. Carlos Dunlap is more of your prototypical 4-3 DE and it’s debatable if he’s be able to play as an OLB. It would seem to be a waste to play him as a 3-4 DE. Same thing goes for Suh; he’s not a great fit for the 3-4. Suh doesn’t exactly have the bulk to play the NT and is more in the mold of one-gap under tackle in the 4-3.
Lastly, I don’t see the team taking a QB with its first pick barring a huge implosion from Shaun Hill during the rest of the season. The team is winning and Hill is doing what the team is asking of him. Does the team really want to inject controversy into the locker by spending a top-10 pick on a QB? Plus the team would be committing a large amount of money for that high of a pick. Maybe I could see the team taking a QB, particularly, if the player slides with the second of the team’s first round picks, though not likely. Also, it sort of seems as if the team has liked what it has seen from Nate Davis so that might be another factor against taking a QB.
that would be correct sir
Though i will add i’ve been life-time niner’s fan. Originally started out rooting for the team more so to annoy my folks who were LA Rams fans at the time. I really only got an SB nation account to chatter about the Angels (hence the name), but now that football season is in swing there’s just another thing to distract me on the weekends.
We're going to take it to the Red Sox....
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen the Halo
But supposedly it looks much better. (new paint)
I don’t know if they have installed the “screen” in it yet.
They want to use it for advertising….
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't need an OLB.
Haralson-good n cheap
Lawson- massive improvement n cheap
Brooks- enough upside to not draft an OLB unless he’s a can’t pass player!
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I agree...
I see them focusing on S, DL, QB, in the first day then OL, LBs, WR, CB and in later rounds. maybe another RB, K or TE at the end
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
Jake Locker anybody?
Locker to Crabtree and Morgan would be guaranteed offense for the next 10 years.
I was disappointed in him last Saturday
He couldn’t read the blitzes and was constantly pressured because he didn’t know where the Irish were coming from.
If he reads the defense correctly on that final drive before OT he scores a TD instead of settling for a FG and wins the game.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 5, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
did you guys know.
seattle has denvers 1st round pick this next year???
i guess our trade is looking better at this point.
Look at Denver's schedule though!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
I didn't think Denver would win 4 games
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by methodrampage on Oct 6, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Well with
NE, SD, Bal, Pitt, Wash, SD, NYG, KC, IND, Oak Phi, and KC….that could be 6 more wins or only 3, but I think they will be better than the Panthers!
"Optimist Prime"
Come along and ride the muthaship!
GO whoever's playing the Panthers !!!
Weird to root for the other team or to root against poor Carolina. But if it means a better draft pick for my Niners, so be it !!! I hope Carolina crashes and burns and they get a top 3 pick that they sadly hand over to US ! That would be adding insult to injury. Loose a ton of games and having nothing to show for it come draft day. Wow, that would so totally suck! Looks like that is what is gonna happen for Carolina though… I guess whoever the coach is next year (because it sure the h3ll wont be Fox after stupidly giving away their first round draft pick and losing a ton of games) will have to clean up this mess. Jake Delhome was a one hit wonder. He is a turnover machine that keeps repeating mindlessly. I have never seen a starting QB turn a ball over so much and still be on the field (trying to block out images of JT O’Turnover from my mind and memory…) They really could have used their 1st round draft pick next year to get a QB. Almost feel bad about taking their pick, but if you are dumb enough to throw your 1st round draft pick away (Nolan was that dumb) then I guess you have to live with the consequences. Poor Carolina Fans. I feel sorriest for them.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

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