Michael Crabtree traveling to San Francisco to renew negotiations with 49ers
Thanks to everybody for posting this in the Deion thread from earlier. I said in that one that even if he was right I still don't like him. But it's still obviously necessary to note: ESPN's Mike Sando is reporting that Michael Crabtree and Eugene Parker are heading back to the Bay Area to re-open negotiations with our San Francisco 49ers.
This was linked in the Prime Time thread, but this is obviously deserving of its own thread. Needless to say this is certainly a good development. Up until now numbers were mentioned but it seemed like Parker and Crabtree were sitting back waiting for the 49ers to change their tune. This could be the first step towards somebody actually stepping up and showing a willingness to lose a little face.
While the whole situation has been bothersome, I've tried to avoid lambasting Michael Crabtree too much. At some point, there's a good chance he'll be a 49er. If/when that happens, I'd like to be able to let bygones be bygones. If he blows it as a player, so be it. But it'd be nice to get past this situation and at least see what he truly can bring to a 49ers offense that could use a little something extra. Vernon Davis has certainly stepped up, but if the 49ers could add a threat like Crabtree, the offense could add an extra gear.
Maybe Crabtree will be useless this year and do nothing for his career. For now though, I am content sitting back and hoping for great things. It's too soon to see a light at the end of the tunnel, but at least we know we're in the right tunnel now (that's not exactly the best phrasing, but you get the point). Let's hope for the best!
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All right Fooch, I expect you to go to SFO to make sure Crabtree is really in San Francisco.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
by 49er16 on Oct 5, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
No Rec's on making Fooch go to the airport to confirm?
by bignerd on Oct 5, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Deal Crabtree
He’s doing the JaMarcus Russell thing, as in hold out for insane amounts of money, and I fear he wil just be a locker room cancer, which could disrupt the rhythm of the team. Deal him to the Cowboys, he’s to Texas what Tim Tebow is to Florida, and America’s Team is reciever starved. Jerry Jones would be happy to give up a 2nd rounder and someone like Miles Austin or Patrick Crayton.
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by Ramah71 on Oct 5, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can't deal him until they sign him
And if they dealt him then they’d be on the hook for his whole signing bonus. In other words, he’s not getting dealt unless he still hasn’t signed in March.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 5, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
They could deal his rights to another team without signing him to a contract first. That team would then have to negotiate a contract with him but would have to wait until after the start of the 2010 draft to do so.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite...
They can’t trade him until march. In the event that the team who trades for him is also unable to sign him beore the drat, he would re-enter. It’s not necessarily a guarantee that if a team trades for him they will get him…
I was "Deific16"
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on Oct 5, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The Niners could trade his rights but they’d have to wait ‘til March 1 to do so. At that point the new team would have to negotiate a contract with him all over again, and like you said there’s no guarantee that they could get it done.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they signed him they could trade him immediately
But it’s very unlikely they would because they’d have to pay his whole signing bonus.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 5, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they can't
Since he doesn’t have a year of playing time he can’t be traded until AFTER the season.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could trade him on March 1
provided he still hasn’t signed. Or they could sign him without giving him a signing bonus and deal him.
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by Ramah71 on Oct 5, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Fooch, while you're at the Aeropuerto
Could you pick me up a Cinnabon? I am addicted.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Oct 5, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cinnabon
I think I’ve only eaten Cinnabon at the airport…never anywhere else.
by Fooch on Oct 5, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big in malls too...
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have gone to the Airport
Only to get a Cinnabon… I am pathetically addicted..
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Oct 5, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Seriously?
You can get them at the mall too, you know?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 5, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Fooch
While you are at the airport can pick me up a crabtree, I hear they in season this year…
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 5, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like one of those too...
you should be able to get one of those trees for cheap, too, since they’re so plentiful.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Oct 6, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The niners called his bluff
He thought they would be desperate without him, but they’re not.
I’d love to have him on the team, but I’m very glad that he’s coming to us instead of the other way around.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
by GiantPain on Oct 5, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Crabtree has to sign now. The Niners have indirectly sweetened the deal by leading the NFC west and possibly (dare I say probably playoffs). If he’s anything like the talent he thinks he is – he can help the team and he knows it. If he’s NOT the talent he thinks he is – he better sign pronto because he ain’t getting a better deal next year…
I do agree that it’s silly to hold holdouts against players – for whatever reason. I mean, if Crabtree was holding out from the Seahawks we would all have a good laugh about it, and hope that he screwed them. We are just mad because he’s taking his OWN interests over the team that drafted him. Which is perfectly logical.
(Of course, he was wrong to think holding out was going to help him, but athletes should be able to ask whatever they want from some team)
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 5, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope that Crabtree has finally come to his senses
I mean he could hold out till week 12, but WHY? The Niner’s have already showed him the money. He is gonna get exactly what they offered him back before training camp. I don’t see the Niners budging one dime. Why should they? They are willing to hand this kid 10 MIL and he wont be able to REALLY play for a game or 2 AFTER the BYE. Almost half the season lost and he won’t have anything to show for it other than missing training camp.
Mr. Crabtree is a prime example for the need of a rookie salary cap structure. If a structure was in place, none of this would have needed to happen. We could also reduce the need for scumbag agents. A lawyer would be all that is needed to go over the fine print. That alone would benefit the league and the players as well!! The process is flawed fatally, and needs to be fixed. I hate that the Players Association are throwing their own veterans under the bus just to try and keep everything status quo. The NFLPA needs to be bargaining for an Insurance program paid for by a pool of funds set aside by the owners to insure these rookies in the unlikely event that they get injured prematurely within the time frame of the rookie contract. That way, the Rookies are protected by some formula to get paid commiserate to the average of the top 5 players at their position to compensate these kids in the case of catastrophic injury during their rookie contract. That IMHO is what the NFLPA SHOULD be doing. But they are so greedy that they would rather fight the NFL to keep the STATUS QUO of more ridiculous rookie contracts that have escalated out of control over the past 10 years or so. That money should go to the VETERANS in the NFL and to retirees who make (made) the game what it is today, and not some rookie punk kid who may or may not succeed in the NFL. This is something that has really bothered me about football. I know as fans we just want to watch the games, but the distribution of money as it is today in the NFL is highly unfair to the veterans and the retirees who are the ones that should benefit from the success of the game.
Back to Crabtree. I really do hope he signs with the Niners, and I hope there are no problems in the locker room or with the fans. Crabtree hired an agent that his “friend” Dion Sanders suggested. That agent hasn’t been working in the interests of Mr. Crabtree in my opinion. Now that the season has started, and the Niner’s are winning, the Kid wants to get on the field and help his team win! All that is normal and healthy. Hopefully they can strike a deal and Crabtree can move forward with his career.
10 million dollar is generational security. His parents are set for life, He is set for life, and his children are set for life. He also has set himself up to make even MORE money after this contract has expired if he succeeds at a job he loves! There is a very good chance that this money is just the tip of the iceberg for Mr. Crabtree! I, for one, will not hold this holdout against him. In truth, players hire agents to deal with these matters. Agents are supposed to have the player’s best interests in mind. I think that Crabtree’s agent Parker is a scumbag. He has pulled a lot of gimmicks, and authored a lot of holdouts to try and squeeze ever last penny out of the teams involved mostly because he gets a percentage of the amount he is able to weasel out of the teams. Whatever that percentage is, these agents fight very hard for every last dime they can get in their own pockets. I hope that Crabtree FIRES Parker for the mess he got his client into with no gain whatsoever for the delay and casting a cloud over the young man’s character. Also he has lost money in the form of game checks that he can not now get back. ALSO, Parker has caused his client distress because it will take MONTHS for his client to recover from the lost training he cant recover by missing Mini Camps, training camp, and pre season games. Heck, if I were Crabtree, I’d have fired Parker after the first game I missed. That is a lot of money lost for what? Principles? Hardly.
I think if Crabtree signs and is in uniform asap, most fans will forgive and forget by training camp next year. This year might be a total loss for him. He might be able to lend a hand and make some impact this year, but by missing training camp and the pre season, he will be a couple of steps behind the rest of this year, and maybe for the next year or two. No way to judge the impact of all that lost training and real game action lost.
I know it is a business. I love watching the game of football, but the business side of it is pretty cut throat. GM’s and Agents facing off with threats and counter threats. I’d rather ignore this part of football. I always looked at other teams that were going thru this and I always felt a certain amount of disdain for the players who were in the center of it all. After all, the teams are willing to pay kids MILLIONS to play a game that they obviously love to play. Most fans would love to get paid MILLIONS to do something they love to do. It is hard to relate to the player in these situations. I would JUMP at the chance to sigh on the dotted line! I would rather just watch the game then know what goes on behind closed doors on the business end of things.
So my question is: If Crabby Signs Relatively soon, how long will it take for fans to forgive and forget? First time in uniform? First big play? First Touchdown? First season? Never ?
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Oct 5, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Is A Business
And i am sure most 49er players will accept Crabtree into the team without any questions asked. But i will wonder a loud how many will still hold a little bitterness towards Crabtree? Especially considering the other 53+ players went through the riggours of a Singletary training just for him to come in at week 5. Either way i have no issue with Crabtree if he performs up to that 10th pick money. If he doesn’t then of course we are all entitled to bash him as we would any other 49er draft pick. It is just that the microscope is going to be on him more then others, even more so on a national stage. If i had my druthers the 49ers wouldn’t sign Crabtree and trade him in March. But on a talent level he immediately becomes one of our best offensive players. So i can’t really argue against them bringing him in, unless of course they are the ones backing down. But i don’t see that ever happening.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 5, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he proves himself on the field
There won’t be any bitterness. Players hold out all the time for huge contracts. If he can step up and help us out than his new teammates will rally around him.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on his attitude going forward and if he gets any special treatment from Sing
The players will not hold it against him that he held out. They’ll hold it against him if he brings a diva attitude and/or gets diva treatment from Sing (fat chance). If he brings his lunch pail with the rest of the team, he’ll be fine. If he starts catching touchdowns, even better.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
get rid of michael spurlock, he is useless lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Oct 5, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we do get rid of him though, we won’t really have a backup for Rossum on the returns really… that would be the only downside to that. Jason Hill, as much as I would hate to say it, would be the guy departing. For some reason the coaches do not favor him. I think he has talent and potential, but logically i see that the case….
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly,
I’d drop Spurlock in a second and put Crabtree back as our back up return man. Personally, I’d drop Spurlock anyways for Crabtree, then drop Rossum for Sheets.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree returning kicks?
LOL………nothin more to say bout that!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Spurlock wasn’t doing the returns Sunday it was Battle.
by gbears16 on Oct 5, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
he muffed one didn’t he? Risky business.
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prob
won’t see him back there next week. Hope anyway
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he isn’t either and was wondering why they didn’t have Spurlock returning punts
by gbears16 on Oct 5, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you see how he ran the Taser? He looked horrible with the ball in his hands...
no way I trust him catching a 50 yd punt that is probably 60 yds in the air, on the 10 yard line with 10 guys running after him. He can’t even catch a 3 yd shotgun snap.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurlock was inactive Sunday
Along with Rossum.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 6, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only downside
Sign will probably make him sit in the locker room for 6 games on time out like with Vernon Davis.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 5, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sign = sing as in Coach Sing, obv.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 5, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounded like Sing sees his side of it
He talked about holding out himself in the past.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 5, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was pretty clear that he didn’t see the advantage of holding out into the season and that he never would have done that.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 5, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse you??
sit out 6 games.. no way.. I think Sing will make him sit out a week so he can have a week to get the plays down and up to speed and than just play him for bits of time and as the weeks go one increase his playing time and if he plays wonderfully than I’m sure Sing will have him in for full games
by StevenC on Oct 5, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, we need someone there tomorrow to see if his agent shows up.
I’m excited to hear this news honestly. I hope its true and I hope that he really will be joining this team. Trust me I don’t like his agent or the persona that he’s been showing for so long now, but I loved him as a player and was so happy when we was drafted. I will be that happy when/if he signs.
by renke81 on Oct 5, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What persona?
Has he said anything to the media? From all accounts I’ve seen, he’s just waiting to sign on the dotted line while doing pushups watching TV movies with his mom. I haven’t seen or heard anything to refute this claim (though doing pushups while watching TV movies is a bit outlandish), so please provide something to back up your “persona” thing. Not doubting you necessarily, just… I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest that he’s really a diva, rather than a football player letting his agent and handlers deal with the business side of things.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Woah....
somebody actually using the “REC” function over here…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Persona?
1. Michael Crabtree reportedly gave off a diva like attitude during his visit to Rams Park, and has been eliminated from contention to be picked No. 2 overall.
2. And according to published reports, the Browns do not want Michael Crabtree after a terrible visit to a Berea.
3. Ever since the game against Texas in which Crabtree caught that game-winning touchdown, his ego got bigger than Texas (Bleacher Report)
by FiveAlarmFreddy on Oct 5, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be true
But right about now I wouldn’t put too much stock into the player evaluation capabilities of the Rams and Browns. Maybe Crabtree went into Cleveland with a bad attitude, or maybe Mangini is kind of a jerk. I think it could go either way.
by DiegoAsFan on Oct 5, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares we got Sing look what he did with VD.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 5, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I wouldn’t put too much stock into the player evaluation capabilities of the Rams and Browns
Well, it’s kind of hard to evaluate anybody if they refuse to even show up.
Maybe Crabtree went into Cleveland with a bad attitude, or maybe Mangini is kind of a jerk
Both are probably right, but regardless, he is the ONLY player not signed 1/4 of the way through the season because he is not getting what he wants.
by FiveAlarmFreddy on Oct 5, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary
will put him in the corner and make him stare at a piture of his hind parts if Crabtree shows any attitude. Frankly, I think he held out cause he’s terrified of Sing
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be halirious if that was true
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 5, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 because there is prolly some element of truth to that
And we will probably never know. But Singletary is an intimidating character. I hope he doesn’t scare off free agents in the future!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only the ones too scared to play football
And who wants guys that scare easily?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 6, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet
both St. Louis and Cleveland wouldn’t mind him on their teams now.
In any case, sitting around into October has a way of shrinking an ego… and a posse.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 5, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Sh..t.Make no mistake Crabtree is getting over himself
and ready join the real world.. It is one thing to be a “college talent” and yet another to be a talent in the NFL…
I believe that one of two scenarios will play out
1) He knows that that waiting for the “the deal of the century” isn’t going to happen and now really wants to play for Singeltary because he is seeing what is going on with the Niners and wants to get on the bus
or
2) The niners they look like a “real” team.and now wants to play for a “winner” to keep up his image as a “winner” with big bucks AKA DIVA.
We will see…
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 5, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
Again, I wasn’t necessarily doubting you, but I hadn’t seen any quotes or documentation other than he likes push ups. Do you have any links?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bondslegend wuz right
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
by marcello on Oct 5, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As his college HC said,Crabs is a very hard worker and a very good team mate and a very good citizen on and off the field. Hopefully he continues to be THAT guy when he joins the Niners and is out from under the complete control of that sleeze Parker !
He has never been a Diva,until he signed with Parker. Hopefully he doesn’t bring Parker or Deion or his Cousin with him when he moves here. Crabs should be a great Niner and if he has ANY Parker hangover,then Sing will get that out of him real fast !
by TOP_CAT on Oct 5, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the LAST time...
…that I get excited for Crabtree until he catches a touchdown for the 49ers. This is it. If he leaves SF without a deal, he’s dead to me until he puts up 6 points. Any mention of him, even being a 49ers to that point, will just be met by me entering an alcohol-induced coma.
On a side-note, and as I mentioned in the other thread, did Deion totally screw himself over with his prediction? If there is a signing, he is officially written in as an inside source when the NFL comes knocking about the Jets tampering. I wonder if he thinks the tampering charge just goes away if Crabtree signs…
by Quiet Fool on Oct 5, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It better not.
The Briggs tampering charge didn’t go away and he didn’t sign with SF.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 5, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about 6 yards?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.........
I’ll accept him with open arms if he signs but until then Crabtree is a tool!!! ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 5, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't trained with the niners
but its nice to hear that he’s training in other places like orlando keeping in shape so i think he can make a solid contribution i mean its not like we have a spectacular WR right now to speak of? Our leader right now is Vernon Davis who i am absolutely estatic he is doing so well but morgan and bruce aren’t doing much for me to not think about the Crabtree possibilities.
by 49ersAllTheWay on Oct 5, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And not on his driveway too
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we start winning
and suddenly he has a change of heart?
by Repperson29 on Oct 5, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he knows now that we don't need him
he wanted to play here, but he thought we needed him and he could ask what he wanted. now he knows we don’t need him and he’s gonna play.
by renke81 on Oct 5, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that has too much to do with it
I think it has more to do with watching gamechecks go by. Even if he signs today he has to forfeit about 1/4 of his first year base salary, and that number grows with each game he misses. I think he and Parker have made their play and have decided to make some concessions before too many of the games are played.
by DiegoAsFan on Oct 5, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn’t have much leverage with the Niners having a winning record. He would have all the leverage if the Niners record was reversed.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
by 49er16 on Oct 5, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO DIVAS IN RED AND GOLD!
I never want to see crabtree in Red and Gold. I hope that the Niners stall on signing him until after the November deadline and then trade the fashion designer wanna-be in March. NO CRABTREE, NOT NOW. NOT EVER.
by Jabberwokky on Oct 5, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what about VD
he was a diva/TO personality and coach changed that.
so you want him gone also???
give me TD’s or give me nothing.
by whitemike1644 on Oct 5, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me
TDs or give me VDs or give me VD TDs
by Florida Danny on Oct 5, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Give me TDs or VD TDs but u lost me on VDs you gotta stop sleeping with dirty women or use a rubber Danny come on!!!! coommmee onnn!!!!
by 49ersAllTheWay on Oct 5, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just can't help...
making VD jokes…esp when someone titles a comment “what about VD.” i guess you could say i have a weakness for VD……..jokes that is.
by Florida Danny on Oct 5, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true that
the title as i observed it a lil more and keep repeating it thoughout the day is hilarious!
by 49ersAllTheWay on Oct 5, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love jokes about the disease
I mean, come on, you can talk about how…
…when everybody’s scoring, VD is harder to contain because the openings in the defense are larger
…you can think you have VD under control and suddenly you have another outbreak
…VD takes a hit but keeps on coming at you…
How can you not have a weakness for VD…jokes?
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Oct 5, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you know what the cure was before they had penincelin
Ohhhhhcchhhh. Man if Crab signs, I think I would like to treat his agent in that fashion.
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 5, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when crabs signs...
maybe they’ll change their mascot to syphillis sid:

by Florida Danny on Oct 5, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone loves Syphillis Sid
Maybe wjackalope can get a 49ers jersey digitally inserted since we could have Crabs and VD?
by Fooch on Oct 5, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
where would the jersey go?
his whole body is his head
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
maybe give him just the gold pants?
by Fooch on Oct 5, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Awesome
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 6, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vernon was never like Owens
Nor has Crabtree been, since he actually hasn’t;t spoken to the media, something Owens never learned.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 6, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s really a diva, I think he’s been told not to sign the Niners contract.
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
by 49er16 on Oct 5, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont really think he is a Diva
I think he is a smart kid that got hooked up with some bad advisors (ie Sanders, Parker, etc…) I’d be willing to bet the kid is a model citizen and he turns out to be a half decent receiver. There has been no proof of Divaism other that the association with that A-Hole Sanders. Parker was considered a tough agent at one time. Now he is blacklisted by most front offices. Listening to your cousin for advice regarding millions of dollars isn’t too wise either. But we are talking about a Pre 21 year old young man who is not wise in the ways of the world. He got snapped up by a loser of an agent and now he has to pay the price of missing game checks. Oh Well, if this kid is half as good as he THINKS he is, he will get that money back and more. I know our offense could use a wide receiver that can stretch the field and catch the ball (unlike D.H.B – a.k.a. Frying pan hands – a.k.a. James Jett #2)
Lets give the kid a chance to make good. Once we get him into our system, and away from the losers that have been handling him, and we can have Coach SIng speak some truth into this kids head, lets see what type of young man he turns out to be. If he can be saved, then coach Singletary is the reverend to do it. I often think these rookies need to be saved from themselves. But on the other hand, most of the good wide receivers have that “better than you are” attitude. I think is is part of what drives these Kids to be great. BUT you have to keep that attitude in check, and make sure it doesn’t effect your play. There are lotsa ways to succeed in the NFL, but as a receiver the way you succeed is score touchdowns. He was able to set records doing it in college. I hope the kid just signs just to see if he can do it at the pro level. If this kid can run a go route and stretch the field so our underneath receivers can get 1 on 1 coverage, then he will prove useful in the short term. If he can get open on one of those go routes, he can be a weapon.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Oct 5, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long do you think it will be
Until he is game ready? Been training in Tampa for the last few weeks, as it was said… So hopefully physically he is ready.. and then its just a matter of getting down the plays and chemistry with the QB and his teammates, IF… IF he does sign.
Like someone said before, I am glad he came back to us, instead of giving in. We do need a threat outside of Vernon Davis, and I will be accepting him open arms into this team if he can help us out.
Let’s go NINERS!!
by ZonaBacks10 on Oct 5, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he signs this week
I think he will be ready to play @ Houston after the bye week. Maybe even get a couple of reps in the ATL game this week, simple stuff, just to give him the feel of NFL game speed.
by sundaysfinest on Oct 5, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roster
It’s been mentioned elsewhere, but teams often can get a two week roster exemption in these kinds of situations. He would practice with the team but not play on game-days and be exempt from the 53-man roster requirement. I’d imagine the 49ers would want to take advantage of that initially.
by Fooch on Oct 5, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
there is no way he plays in Atlanta if he signs this week, absolutely no way. MAYBE the first game after the bye but even that is a stretch unless he’s at practice on Wednesday
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be the smart play.
So say he signs this week. He’s inactive for Friday vs the Falcons. Has the bye week to practice, and then we play at Houston.
Houston has been horrid at stopping the run so Gore will have a big game. Houston also has trouble stopping the big play so we have Crabtree go in for a half-dozen plays or so to see what he can do.
Keep adding him in bit by bit so that by the time we hit the playoffs (I know, don’t count your chickens), he’ll be ready to go full time.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
we should keep Gore out 1 more week until Indy? If Houston is not great at stopping the run like you mentioned, then Coffee should be good enough to carry us through, right? I would rather have Gore at 100% rather than 90% and risking re-injuring that leg. There were 2 isolated injuries on the same leg so the chances that both will be 100% by the Houston game are not great I dont think. I mean if the doctors clear him then there’s no way he will sit, but I have had sprained ankles and high calf strains and typically they heal a month, month and a half to be 100%. I am sure at the NFL capacity and advanced rehibilitation will help speed it up but I am weary about bringing him back so soon
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that idea
Depends on what the doctors say and what he looks like at practice, but if he’s at all questionable sit him for one more week and let Coffee show us what he can do.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gore was supposed to only be out 2-3 weeks
So the 3rd week (our bye) is the long term to make sure he is 100%. I don’t think we will have any problem with Gore coming back for Houston. In fact, would you rather he get his legs back under him and “tune” up against Houston or Indy? I’d rather him get a week under his belt, and some game confidence before Indy but that’s just me. As for Crab, if you give him a half dozen passes to get up to speed, that could be all the passes we throw that day. ;-)
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends
on how he truly feels I guess. Of course that would be nice, but I dont think that confidence is ever a problem for Gore. If you mean in terms of his leg…it could have an adverse affect even if he sligthly twists it in a game. He can run wind sprints when we’re in Houston to get it 100% if its only 90%. I guess I am just saying I’d rather have 100% than 90%. LT came back too soon and look what happened to him
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
I think will be 100%. You have to remember he hurt it vs. Vikings 1st part of game. So essentially all of Sunday, through this week (1st week), through next week (2nd week), all the way to our bye (3rd week), then out of the bye vs. Houston (4th week). So really he will be back on the 4th week if he plays vs. Houston and that’s for an injury where he was predicted to miss 2-3 weeks. I think Houston is PLENTY of time to get healthy and I’d rather him practice cutting on the ankle in a game situation vs. Houston than when we REALLY need him vs. Indy.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
we should keep Gore out 1 more week until Indy? If Houston is not great at stopping the run like you mentioned, then Coffee should be good enough to carry us through, right? I would rather have Gore at 100% rather than 90% and risking re-injuring that leg. There were 2 isolated injuries on the same leg so the chances that both will be 100% by the Houston game are not great I dont think. I mean if the doctors clear him then there’s no way he will sit, but I have had sprained ankles and high calf strains and typically they heal a month, month and a half to be 100%. I am sure at the NFL capacity and advanced rehibilitation will help speed it up but I am weary about bringing him back so soon
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I think too
Maybe that’s why Rossum was inactive to clear room for Crabtree?
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that wouldn't have any bearing on crabtree
to make room for crabs someone has to be removed from the 53 man roster. rossum wasn’t removed, just inactive for the game – he could be active again this sunday
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a go route as a decoy...
Just to stretch the field and maybe take up a corner and a safety so the underneath receiver can get 1 on 1 coverage. That would be helpful in the short term. If he can get OPEN on one of those GO routes, he can be a weapon. A go route is a go route. Nothing special, just run by the corner covering you and keep going. Look back at the last minute to see if the pass is coming to you. If he is as fast as they say, he might prove to be very useful as a decoy! You can’t just let the kid run by you. They will cover him with a defender right.? Maybe single coverage with a corner. If he takes up a Corner AND a safety, it will open up our other receivers on the underneath routes.
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Oct 5, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Brandon Jones' job.
Remember, he’s the burner. Apparently he’s got 4.4 speed. Crabtree? Not so much.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Oct 6, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't expect him anytime soon.
Remember that foot issue?
He diodn’t work out for any teams…he’s certainly not put any pads on recently or likely worked out at game speed at all. Maybe we’ll get a teaser near week 10 or so.
What we got is what we got!
by StepUp on Oct 5, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats going to be a helluva game
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 5, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Low expectations...
are the name of the game here. IF he signs (arg, getting ahead of ourselves already), he won’t be getting solid playing time until much later this season, if then.
But what I think we CAN be excited about is him getting on the field for maybe 5 snaps a game, maybe a few WR screens here or there, and a deep ball or two. We just want flashes.
IF we make it to the playoffs (ahead of myself again), I think he could be a solid Slot WR. Just give him some short passes. Especially if he proves he is any sort of blocker (which he was scouted as being), if he is decent at getting YAC, we could use a lot more 3 WR sets at the end of the season instead of those 2 TE 2 WR 2 Back sets we’ve been favoring so far.
3rd and 5 —> Vernon, Bruce, Morgan, Gore, and CRABTREE? I like that sound of that towards the end of the season.
by Quiet Fool on Oct 5, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thats what i said in another post… if he is a #1 or a #3 doesn’t matter as long as he is helping us win games later this season.
by whitemike1644 on Oct 5, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty confident that we can make the playoffs
I’m expecting a 10-6 season with us winning the rest of our division games (except possibly the one at Seattle). AZ won’t go 10-6, Neither will the ’Hawks. St. Louis might win 1 or 2 games this year. This would put us on top of the NFC West, a happy thought.
Last year AZ made it to the playoffs with a 9-7 record.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not jinx this and assume hes gonna sign the second he steps off the plane
But i am pretty damn excited about our chances of actually seeing him in a Niner uniform this season.
I dont think he’ll break the #3 WR spot till maybe way later in the season. But im sure hes gonna get put in for certain situations. Quick slants, WR screens, stuff that really made his highlight reels in college. One this i miss about T.O. was his ability to beat press coverage all the time…Crabtree can do that too.
by Beatclash on Oct 5, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Excited!!!
I was jumping up and down for joy when we picked him. Since then I have been getting angrier with what seems to be his stupidity. Lets see if he signs and for how much to see if it was stupid or not to hold out this long.
My only question is can Ray actually work plays into the game plan that will work for him. So far he hasn’t done very well with the receivers that we have now. (and they aren’t that bad either)
I hope that Crabs will be catching on by the end of the year and into the playoffs.
by 49RFAN on Oct 5, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sunday he was throwing more screens to RBs and WRs so I think if Crabtree were to sign he can use those type of plays for him. It was mentioned somewhere else but I think Raye may have been showing Crabtree that we are not just all run but will utilize receivers during games as well.
by gbears16 on Oct 5, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Crabtree signs it's not out of the question
That he can actually be productive this season. The 49ers are playing well and I like our receivers, but they’re not exactly helping out Shaun Hill. Sure Crabtree would need a lot of time to get up to speed but I can see him being just about ready in only a few weeks and ready to possibly make an impact come playoff time. He’s an asset, one of the best receiving prospects in a long time and nothing can get in the way of pure talent like he has. Sure, he could bust, but more than likely he could contribute in big ways. I’m very upset the way things have turned out but if he comes in and plays, then I’m happy. Here’s to hoping Crabtree is what we thought he was on draft day.
by Ninjames on Oct 5, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If a deal was done this week he'd have this week with the Hill and two weeks in the offense.
If he’s a student of the game he’ll be able to play by week 8. Plenty of time to build chemistry and I think Bruce will be more effective working from the slot against LB’s and 3rd CB’s!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless crabtree is
larry fitzgerald or anquan boldin, or even better than them, there’s really no chance he’d be an NFL #1 WR as a rookie, even if he hadn’t held out. i think a causal chain might work here to show what he has to do to even get on the field during games.
crabtree signs —> crabtree practices —> crabtree gets out of doghouse —> crabtree moves ahead of arnaz battle on depth chart
there’s no way he’s going to be playing any time soon, even if he signs tomorrow. first he has to practice, then he has to show coaches and teammates that he’s not a team-killer like TO, and then he has to show that his talent warrants getting on the field ahead of battle…and that’s just what he has to do to be #4 on the depth chart! then he’s gotta supplant morgan as the starter in order to really be productive, whatever “productive” means in raye’s WR-phobic offense.
singletary will lose the locker room (and esp battle, hill, and morgan) if he just anoints crabtree as a starter. singletary is a show-me kind of coach, so he doesn’t believe in anointments. after proving himself in practice, and getting out of the doghouse, then he’ll see the field…sparingly at best. and we’re talking probably 3 or 4 weeks for even that to happen. so at that point, he’s only going to be on the field (initially as a #3 or #4 WR) for 8 games. now, add onto it that there’s no way singletary is giving a rookie WR significant playing time while SF is in the middle of a playoff run at the end of the season. a div title race is not the place for a rook to “learn on the job.”
so basically, being “productive” is a long shot unless he’s a talent ala fitzgerald/boldin that simply cannot be denied. but even in that case, 30 catches for 400 yards and 4 TDs is about as productive as he can possibly be in 8 games as the #2 WR in raye’s offense in the middle of a playoff run. i’d take that from him for sure, but our expectations for him should be just showing he’s not a horrific bust. anything else is gravy this season. expecting “productivity” is just setting ourselves up for disappointment.
by Florida Danny on Oct 5, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100% let him earn his spot and prove to us he is really that good
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 5, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus he has to make WRs coach Jerry Sullivan happy.
And that ain’t easy. Sullivan won’t let him on the field until he runs routes correctly, knows his blocking assignments, and shows he understands the playbook, limited as it may be.
by MontanaPass on Oct 5, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 catches for 400 yards and 4 TDs
In Jimmy Raye’s offense that makes him our No. 1 WR. That’s like 3 catches a game if he starts playing after the bye week. ZOMG . . . of the charts production.
by bignerd on Oct 5, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FLA Danny
I totally agree, I think it’s a mute point though to even begin to think that Sing would annoint ANYONE a starter without them proving it to the team and to the coaches. I’m kind of surprised you even brought that up. Not one person on the team I think was given anything this year. Why would Crabtree be any different?
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
moot fail
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. I KNEW mute didn't sound right. Thanks wjackalope. LOL.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey no problem
just call me (and howie) the spelling police
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm finding issue with the wording here..
I didn’t say once he’d be the number one right off the bat or even anytime soon as per how you put it. “just anoints Crabtree as a starter” really irks me because I never said that he would. I said our receivers, including Arnaz Battle are not helping Shaun Hill one bit. At this point, it’s hard to say “Well lets not insult Battle…” when Battle decided to once again, do enough to not die off, but has yet to impress one bit. Also, the stats you’ve suggested WOULD be productive by anyone’s standards. I wasn’t claiming he was going to be a 1000 yard receiver this season, in fact I believe I was rather pessimistic about the situation, more so advocating his potential and raw ability than anything else. You cite Fiz/Q and I say Crabtree has the talent and tools to be better than the both. Not necessarily right off the bat.
by Ninjames on Oct 5, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next Year
Our D is great. If we can shore up our O line, we can be (and should be) one of the elite teams. Is there any good , big offensive linemen coming out next year (who).
We need to find a way to give Hill some extra time in the pocket so we can utilize Crabs.
by 49RFAN on Oct 5, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Next year maybe be a silly draft...
… with all the juniors coming out. Current projections are it being LOADED, particularly for defensive lineman. So kudos to us for having 2 First Rounders. I’m sure there will be a solid tackle in there somewhere.
by Quiet Fool on Oct 5, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a poor OT draft class.
After Okung, the talent level falls off drastically. I’m thinking Selvish Capers(WV) is a good fit for the 9ers. He’s a LT who has played RT for lefty QB White(now at Miami), so he’s already good in pass pro and has good feet. He would have to bulk up some and improve his run blocking, but it could work out well for us.
by MontanaPass on Oct 5, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The kid from IOWA will be player!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
get berry and a OT in the 1st and start with nate davis developing… we are going to be pretty good and a damn young team…
+ crabtree i hopes
by whitemike1644 on Oct 5, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No safetys
Unless we’re picking after #20 (hopefully #32)…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok... you will get your wish... The 49ers get their own # 32 pick and Carolina's top 10 pick in 2010
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 5, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it weren't for the Favre bomb with 2 seconds remaining
I would agree no safeties. Plus Lewis isn’t getting any better with age. Berry is the best Defensive player in the draft. He is a game changer and can play every down. He won’t need a sub because of his weight and he can cover all aspects at hs position. (man coverage, zone coverage and heavy efficient tackling)
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd still be promoting Berry, even if Roman had picked that one off and we were 4-0
As I can see from your sig, photo, and fan description.
Look, if the OLine were anything better than crappy, we’d have won that game by earning a first down on maybe one 3rd down. There are many things to point to besides that last play. As I said, if we’re picking in the 20s and he’s BPA, go for it. Otherwise, he’s too far away from the line of scrimmage and won’t get involved in too many plays.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it weren't for the Game vs The Dolphins last year
And the game against The Vikings and also the fact that Lewis has 2 interceptions in 36 games. The sig, pics and everything else, is there because there has not been a successful 49ers team without a standout at safety. I think it’s time to get younger behind Lewis and Berry is the REAL DEAL!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way we trade up for a Safety.
We won’t even trade up for QB, why would we for a Strong Safety? I think Mays will be available when we pick and I’m fine with him since he is built like a LB. Heck, Berry will probably be there with the 10th pick (CAR). Kiper has Berry 2 but no way he goes there.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might not have to
Depending on how the Panthers do the rest of the season.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 5, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you guys forgotten we still have a sad, sad OL to fix..
Come on man with the way the D is playing why all the negative stuff????
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 5, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think OT is our biggest need. We grab OT with 1st pick, Mays with 2nd.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guard also
I think Baas is a FA next year also. He may go
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look for an OG
In lower rounds, maybe?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Oct 5, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but the need may be there none the less
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We probably will need a guard
For depth, if nothing else. If we get a steal, I’d say go for it.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Oct 5, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF Baas doesn't sign he will be a free agent
That makes starting G and starting RT both big needs.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 5, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but we can get a good guard in the 3rd.
LT you draft in first, RT in 2nd, Guard in 3rd TYPICALLY.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't negative
Just hoping the Panthers record is bad.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 5, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only OL position drafted in the high first round is LT.
We have Staley, that’s why I’m talking E Berry!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you say No way we trade up for safety in respinse to my comment?
It’s in my sig, but I know the Niners wouldn’t trade up for a safety, we’re not the Raiders. But I would!!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they trade up for anyone it will be OT Okung or Williams
Safety isn’t a big need but OT and OG are
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 5, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Up?
So you’re saying we trade multiple picks to grab Berry? Maybe our 2 first round picks? No way, the only way we trade multiple picks for ONE player is if we grab a QB. I just don’t think we need to trade up to get Berry when Mays should be around when our CAR pick comes around.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you reading what I'm typing? Obviously not.
I don’t expect this team to, I said I would, I don’t expect the team to. I’ll bet a left nut that if Berry slips to us from 7 and up we’ll take him unless we get Atogwe!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll bet a left nut that if Berry slips to us from 7 and up we’ll take him unless we get Atogwe!
You’d better ice that thing up. It’s going to hurt next April.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Oct 6, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berry or Mays will be had if they fall to us under the 20's
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by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree
I saw nothing special in him when ever I saw him play, but maybe that’s just me, and If he signs and plays I hope I’m wrong and if he is as good as he thinks, because if he’s not we just wasted all that money on him when we could of used it to extend Patrick Willis or get another player needed.
by Lyken84 on Oct 5, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you're joking right?
i understand hating him for holding out, but you never saw anything special whenever you saw him play? um, dude had 41 TDs in 26 college games. and looking only at his 16 gams vs. Big 12 competition, he had 143 catches for 1856 yds and 22 TDs. that’s pretty special.
by Florida Danny on Oct 5, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Thats only through two seasons also. Special indeed. Which means if this is only a tease, I will hate him even more. If he signs, I will support him
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are going to support him. WOW that will cost you around $25 million like a major child support check
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 5, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same system and no WR is accomplishing what he did.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
Crabtree will give us someone who can turn a 7 yard pass in to a TD since our O-line has trouble with pass protection. Hill in most cases yesterday had about 1 second to get the ball out and that was against a not-so-strong defensive line
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
That’s what I’m hoping for him. Much as I like Battle and Bruce they’re definitely not #1 WR and haven’t been for awhile. (Take them to New Englad or Indianopolis and they’d be #2 at best and most likely #3’s).
This is why i was so excited for his signing. The potential to have an explosive number 1 WR who can take a short ball and turn it into long gains.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce
looked glacially slow on Sunday on those little quick passes. Just plodding.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Oct 5, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monetree will do what is best for him.
If this is a case of his seeing the niners as a liget team with potential and now is the time to make a deal then so be it, but don’t expect me “respect” him until he pours some soul for this team like the rest have.. There are way to many “ifs” here for me to get all teary eyed..
Coach said today that if he signs is ok with that, As for how he could fit in with the rest of the squad. that is up to them. This group seems to have formed the “family” type bond that was discounted by so many in dull dry months leading up to camp. For this kid to come in mid stream and “expect” to be granted full family status is a stretch.
If he signs (and that is a big IF) then he likely will not see any action on the field until the last game or two.. So lets all hold on and see what the “real deal” is here (pun intended)
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 5, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
its a Love Hate thing
I love him. I hate him. I love him again. I hate him again. He better sign. I was one mouse click away from buying his jersey and my spider scenes tingled and I didn’t do it thank God. I hope he signs though.
by japanesezero on Oct 5, 2009 3:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Can we stop using the word Diva?
“Selfish” or “misguided” would be appropriate labels
Deion Sanders is a media-whore…or… “diva”
Michael Crabtree is a pretty quiet dude…who wants an unreasonable amount of money
that doesn’t equate to being a diva
TO is a diva…
by foosball4949 on Oct 5, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
No kidding, Ocho Cinco welcomed being called a diva.
He has been proclaimed a diva and said that’s a fair assesment, he gets fines and then donates to a charity in the amount of the fine, he’s a stand up guy in the community, so is it really bad.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean Ochocinco?
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dobson Collins
Matt M just tweeted that WR Dobson Collins was released from the Practice Squad and the team will tryouts tomorrow to fill that slot. Not sure what to make of it, It’s probably nothing.
by GeeMunster on Oct 5, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
YOU'RE LATE!!! ProFootBallTalk got this first
you guys should really check that site out. i would’ve spread the word a lot sooner if i wasnt at work!!!
by Bo$$Ixta! on Oct 5, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
breaking news
In reality I never can “break news.” The best I can do at this point is getting the 49ers emailed press releases. So I’m relatively public news. And I’m fine with that. Just because they released the info doesn’t mean folks here won’t want to talk about it as well.
And PFT did get info out but I’d prefer using a site like ESPN. PFT has a tendency to throw crap against the wall at times.
by Fooch on Oct 5, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They remind me of Truth & Rumors that way
Basically any tidbit that comes their way they put out as truth without doing any fact checking on it.
Niners nation isn’t really designed to be a news site anyway. It’s a place for fans to come and talk about our team and get great anaylsis.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t trust ESPN either, Fooch. Remember the whole Brett Favre and Vikings “Schism” before the beginning of the season?
FIRE BRUCE BOCHY NOW!!!!!!
AND TAKE BRIAN SABEAN WITH HIM!!!!!
by 49er16 on Oct 5, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, well if Fooch wasn’t first then I don’t want to talk about it.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 5, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Being ready to play
I don’t know if Crabtree will be available to play right away if and as soon as he is part of the team.
After Brandon Jones was available to play, he was not ready and it took him like 3 weeks before he was active for a game. But he is a veteran. Was he not ready because he was out of shape or not ready because of timing and lack of practice from the actual playbook? If it’s just out of shape then hopefully Crabtree did his part and be in shape.
But still it will probably take several weeks atleast for Crabtree to do anything besides some simple routes not requring the best timing from him adjusting to Shaun Hill, which the opposing teams are more likely to expect when Crabtree is in.
by fortyniners on Oct 5, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sing and Raye
said he was in shape but not GAME shape. I think Crab would have the same issue. It’s one thing to run on the treadmill and lift weights to stay in shape, it’s another to practice on the field. I say it takes MINIMUM 3 weeks to see him on the field in anything other than a decoy role.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
finally
he better sign for the rookie minimum.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Oct 5, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I want Dez now tho...
I’ve already started daydreaming about Dez Bryant via the Carolina pick
by RobbieS on Oct 5, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not add dez if he signs
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Snakes on a Plane! Parker and Crabtree headed to SF.
One last cheap shot before he joins the team.
by bignerd on Oct 5, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ tired of these [site decorum] on this [site decorum] plane!!! lol!
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The tampering charge is making him sign!
I suspect both Crabtree and Parker have come to the conclusion that his alternate suitors are not so serious now that there are tampering charges involved. That means neither the Jets or or the Cowgirls(the mysterious #2 suitor) will dare trade or draft Crabtree if he misses the entire season. And pretty nearly everyone understands that his prospects entering next year’s draft will be poor after an extended holdout. Parker essentially confessed to tampering charges last week, declaring he had a solid offer for $40mil+, and that looked like a last-gasp desperation negotiating tactic to me. And sure enough, now it looks like they’re coming to town to “negotiate”, which in this case means sign on the dotted line. My guess is he signs by Friday.
by MontanaPass on Oct 5, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WE ARE ALL SUCH SUCKERS!
I’m just waiting for this to be an internet hoax. Whoever said “this is the last time I get excited…” was just one step off. Last time was the last time I decided to get excited. I’m not getting the fish hook stuck in my cheek again. Waiting for the first six-pointer because I’ve been jilted once too often by this kid. Heard wind of it on AM radio during the commute on the way home. Damn, we are such suckers! Go Niners!
Hope for Favre to throw so many picks he moves down one spot so Hill can take his place in the QB rankings (Favre #9, Hill #10 based on passer rating).
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
by dartdart on Oct 5, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
49ers Release WR Dobson Collins From Practice Squad
Preparing to make roster room, perhaps?
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
by shlecko on Oct 5, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no
how does that have anything to do with it? They’re gonna cut someone else from the 53-man and try to put them on the practice squad and that’s why they need room on the practice squad? Seems premature to make that kind of move.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
maybe they have verbally agreed to a contract and all that has to happen is Crabtree sign on the dotted line tomorrow. Heck he could be in a Niners Jersey at practice by Noon.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reason it wouldn't be related
There’s a good chance the 49ers will get a week or two exception for Crabtree where Crabtree will be able to practice with the team, but not play in the games, and in turn would NOT count against the 53-man roster for that week or 2. So no it’s probably not related.
by Fooch on Oct 5, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once the
Brett [site decorum] drama is finished tonight… this topic should be back to even with that particular one. Hopefully “that guy” gets demolished by Green Bay tonight. I hope that Woodson and Harris pick him 4 times tonight…
Sorry had to get that out of the way.
Now back to Crabtree talk!
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dez Bryant aint gonna happen, crabtree or no crabtree. Neither is a 1st round tackle..
Next years draft is going to have some very good Safety and Defensive Tackle talent in the first round. (As well as QB, depending on how the rest of HIlls season go’s…)
I dont think those positions are really a terrible weakness for our defense, but they arent a strength. In a 3-4 Defense a dominating DT improves the entire defense and makes it more effective. We dont have that. As for safety, M. Lewis is getting older, and we dont really have much depth or a real playmaker there. Eric Berry or Taylor Mays would change that. This defense looks like its just 2-3 players away from being the best in the league. Im sure SIngletary thinks the same thing.
I expect at least one of those positions being upgraded way before the-line or WR spots.
by Beatclash on Oct 5, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
The line is a much bigger need than either of those spots, and WR too if Crabs doesn’t sign.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 5, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Are Correct
No Matter What Happens there is no reason to select a QB in the 1st round of the 2010 draft. If the 49ers want to become an elite team in 2010 they must first fill other holes such as T, G and DL. Why would we go after a player like Tebow(gosh hope not), Mccoy or Bradford when we could solidify the line with Okung or make our defense that much better with Berry? Just imagine how dominating the defense would be with a bal hawking defensive back to go a long with players like Goldson, Clements and Spencer. Or if the line could give Hill more time to pass and open up better lines for Gore/Coffee?
Either way a Crabtree signing pretty much takes that position away as a major need. We would still need to draft another one but that could be done in the middle rounds.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 5, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To hell with a qb if it isn’t clausen other than that go with berry, a tackle, or nt.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 5, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'd definitely go with a QB
If the right guy was there. A franchise QB has a much bigger impact than any other position. But I’d still go with OL or WR (if Crabs doesn’t sign at least) over a safety or a DT.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 5, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okung and Trent WIlliams are rated 7 and 8 in Scout's top 32. They are also the only OT in the top 32.
OT is our biggest need.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 5, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT can be filled with the 2nd round pick.
The panthers pick is probably going to be between 10-20. If Eric Berry or Taylor mays slips, or even terrance cody…i really cant see the 49ers passing on them for a tackle. It would just be crazy. The potential impact of one of those players on the defensive side of the ball just cant be compared to to a OT, in my opinion. There are times to draft for need and times to draft for value, and a top 20 pick next year is going to have players too promising to pass up at more valuable positions. Im not saying they shouldnt pick a lineman with the 49ers original pick, but i just cant see them using that first panthers pick on one.
by Beatclash on Oct 5, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need safeties
If our offense is weak and our defense not so weak, I have a feeling most of our picks will be to enhance our O
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a playmaking safety that has man and zone coverage abilities to enhance the pass rush to another level!
How many top 3 defenses don’t have a playmaker at safety?
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no gauruntee that Berry
is that guy. NFL is a big jump from college. And besides I watched the Tennesse game this past weekend and I think that Berry had a less than stellar performance.
I can appreciate your campaign to get him, but what happens if we don’t? I mean you have to prepare yourself for that I think. Goldson impresses me… and when Reggie Smith gets healthy, he is our playmaking safety. Lewis is fine for now and is pretty awesome in helping to stop the run
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goldson plays FS not SS. Berry will be a player.
Never seen a saety make those type of plays and not pan out.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was exceptional at OU
and in the preseason, he had 4 picks. Good in stuffing the run also. Not to mention he has experience at CB just as Ronnie Lott did
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No guarantee that Smith is as good as Berry either
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that he's played in the NFL
and made plays already
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah 4 tackles in 2 seasons!
How many defenses that are said to be GREAT defenses, have at least 1. a great safety or 2. a great front 7 ? 0 you have to have one of the other. It’s the DT (36o lbs) name leaves me I’m a lil drunk. And Eric Berry. These two will impact our defense immediately. Berry is extremely instinctive and Smith was never that good in College!!!!!!!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith was spectacular in college
You obviously never watched a Sooners game!!
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a safety or NT to compete in the playoffs
Lewis is a great run support safety, but for how much longer? Goldson is only playing because Roman was entirely ineffective at FS. Hes playing well, but hes not a superstar. This defense would be so much better with an All-Pro at the NT or FS position. It will NEVER be a championship caliber defense without an upgrade at one of those positions.
by Beatclash on Oct 5, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or SS
Jury is still out on Goldson, but Lewis is ONLY a run stopping Safety. He’s not good in man coverage and zone coverage.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's very far
from reality that we go after a safety for a 1st round pick. It’s not like it’s a glaring issue. I mean straanger things have happened. But usually you patch up the holes and then supplement in a draft. We don’t have glaring issues at the free safety position. And I think Smith is going to be more than good for us. He only has what he has statistically because Lewis has been healthy
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If reggie smith was going to be a player
Then he would have showed it by now and gotten on the field. Im not saying we HAVE to draft a safety in the 1st round, what im saying is if taylor mays or eric berry are available…i cant possibly see the 49ers passing either of them up. The potential impact on the defense would be too good to pass up.
Same for NT…except i actually consider NT a position of need. A dominating NT would improve the entire pass rush. Lawson, Haralson, Smith, etc. That entire front seven would get more sacks and hurries, which in turn will lead to turnovers, and an even more dominating defense.
by Beatclash on Oct 5, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he would have showed it by now and gotten on the field. huh? Smith hasn’t had his shot yet due to inexperience. I seriously doubt even if we draft Berry that he would start his first year either. It takes awhile for FS or SS to develop at the NFL level.
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to consider
we drafted Curtis Taylor last year. So we have two young guys to develop already
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Berry is a can’t miss player, meaning you can’t miss the chance on drafting him. Ed Reed, Troy P. Griffin in Tenn, they don’t come around that often. Now if we get Atogwe to come to SF then we don’t need Berry. Berry seems to be an upgrade over what we have. Man coverage zone coverage and hitting power!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had a bigger need at OL then WR this year.
We all know what happened. Where do you think the hole is in the OL? It’s not LT so a top ten pick wouldn’t be used on one! It’s about a guy you can’t pass up. Berry hits harder and has shown better instincts than any of our safeties, let’s be real, it’s one of the easiest transitions from college to the NFL next to LB.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Crabtree hadn't fallen to # 10 the 49ers would have picked a LT/RT at # 10.
Having a RT who is also a good LT is a plus and this year there are only two tackles who will fall into the first round and they are both going to be in the top ten. Okung and Williams. Once we get the tackle spot then Berry or Mays would be great.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Oct 5, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LG is bigger,
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by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our offensive line issues won't be solved in the first round
We don’t need a LT, which is the only position you draft top ten. OG, RT which sounds like 2nd and 3rd round picks. !st rounders typically are your immediate impact guys, at least the biggest hope. Our RT position is up in the air since Pashos may suffice for two more seasons. So draft to groom which isn’t for the 1st round unless it’s a QB.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im for Berry with carolinas pick hes a playmaker
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 5, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, a spot on a 3-1 division leader and $16MM ish looks better than a year out of the league, obliterated draft status, and basically no guaranteed money?
Who woulda thunk it.
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by That'll Cheech You on Oct 5, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Real odd isn't it?
I mean, who needs $16MM anyway????
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 5, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, with the economy the way it is
and the high taxes and all…you’d be crazy to take the 16 mil. You’d be better off working for…Subway…or something.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Oct 5, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what happens when u got crazy lefties in power lol.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 5, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably actually
Get a much lower tax bracket that way.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was playing Madden 2010...
…on the iphone the other day and shivered a little when I realized I was passing to Michael Crabtree for a touchdown. Turns out maybe it was a flash of the future…
by Bigmouth on Oct 5, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree get's better and better in that game
I’m on like year 10 of franchise and Crabtree was the top receiver in the game.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know what Eugene Parker looks like????
For some reason I keep picturing him to look a little something like this:

by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
nope but close....younger, shorter hair, same attitude and personality though.
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

from here
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm
For some reason I imagined him looking more… evil.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding
look at the beady little eyes, hands clasped, mouth open like he is speaking to the voices in his head. pretty scary to me ;-)
by hudd07 on Oct 6, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Your right, he tries to hide the evil but fails. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
i totally pictured Eugene Parker being an old white guy.
by fortyniners on Oct 7, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all would take his salary!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree, the bandwagoner. Oh yay.
At least this means we’ve been whittling away his will to demand more money. Thanks Sing!
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by Yoyo on Oct 5, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sing on Crabtree
Singletary in today’s press conference: “I met him, I talked to him, I had a good feel for him, uh I haven’t been wrong too often. Um, so I beleive, I I think he’s a great kid. I have a good feel for these types of things.” and “I would never say, no we don’t need him”.
Interesting
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoply crap!
I will be happy when this over
Hey, remember that one time when we were arguing and I was wrong? Yeah, me either.
by SanFranSoldier on Oct 5, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Fooch
you should get the rest of that transcript if you can. Someone asked about Deion, etc. I think it would be a nice addition to whats already been discussed
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
THE WHOLE THING WAS A LIE
per matt maiocco
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ok maybe not a lie
but this is exactly why I said “wake me up when he signs.” You can’t believe anything when it comes from “sources.” Those sources were probably making stuff up based on what Deion said. What a load of baloney. Again, I’ll believe it when I see it.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
They are cutting out the middleman (GM Sott M) and will be meeting with Jed York instead? After all, Jed was the one that called for a face to face.
by GeeMunster on Oct 5, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or possibly
do not want the public to know in case things do not get negotiated?
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree, it’s possible, but I am beginning to frustrated right now.
by GeeMunster on Oct 5, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
but I think it might just be reporting based on speculation. For all we know Parker is coming here to help Crabs sell the house he bought so he can move back to texas
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's crabtree's sports agent
I don’t think he’s gonna be running errands for him. If he’s in th Bay Area, it’s more than likely involving a sports related (business related) trip
by Drew K on Oct 5, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I was pretty much joking
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 5, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mc Boo Foo can’t bother to buy them lunch while they are in town? I’m guessing he has a company credit card.
Worst lie ever . . . unless they are in town to meet Al Davis.
by bignerd on Oct 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
There is no point
in Crabtree holding out past the deadline in November. He’d lose this year’s pay and considering the number of great underclassmen coming out next year Crabtree and his reputation could easily slide out of the first round.
So Crabtree needs to sign.
How much? We’ve seen the $16 million figure forever, but if you take McCloughan’s offer of a dollar less than the #9 slot that should push it up over $18 million. There could be some more wiggle room. I think the Niners, if they haven’t decided they don’t want him (and I don’t think they would), would tack on some incentives that would allow Parker to save some, but not much, face.
The long short here, it’s really in Crabtree’s interest in getting this thing done so that he can get into Santa Clara, keep his head down and hope he can give something to the team between now and the end of the season.
The time for bluffing is over. McCloughan is playing it cool. If Parker wants a meeting he damned well better make the call. If Parker and Crabtree are just flying into San Francisco to keep the show going, then they’re wasting everyone’s time.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 5, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned it elsewhere
But I think the big sticking point is not the money but the length of the contract. Parker always tries to get short-term contracts for his guys because the Free Agent market is where it’s at. We’d like to see five or six years. Parker wants four years.
I bet we give Crabtree less money than he wants but give him the years on the contract.
by smileyman on Oct 5, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Crabtree doesn't sign this year
the any four-year deal next year would be a five-year deal without any money for the first year.
That ain’t happening. Crabtree has no leverage. He either signs what’s offered him or he loses ten million off the top, and maybe a lot more.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 5, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look like his foot is finally feeling better. Time to sign that line and get paid.
Judgment day is coming!
by Widowwolf on Oct 5, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt M is saying that he ran into Scot Mc and he said that he wasn't meeting with Crabs camp.
So if there is a negotiation being done, it’s without Mc and a lot of money will be given up.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 5, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeb York
did say that if a major negotiation was in it’s final stages that only the would he get involved. So at this point i am not sure how much of this really involves Scott M, i know that he is the GM, but in a situation like this it may be up to the owner to close the deal.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 5, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JED
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Oct 5, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just think of JED Clampett

"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Oct 5, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to hell with him
why are 9er fans still beggin for this idiot to sign. i hope he never puts on a 9er uniform….EVER….
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
by redrum21225 on Oct 5, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasting a top ten pick is not good! If he's a bust at least we found out while using our pick.
Wasting the pick and having him going elsewhere is ridiculous, I was never a supporter of the pick but I am supporting getting him signed.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we effed up........we need to live with it and not make this mistake next yr
even though we’re losing out on this pic, we still don’t need that worthless cancer in our locker room. we’re FINALLY winning again and you people want to eff that up by bringing this scumbag in? phukin crazy! i hate 9er fans i really do. most of you are just content to lose
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
by redrum21225 on Oct 6, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Cancer according to what?
Sing said he was a great person and he’d love to have him! We can run with Sing on everything but Crabtree and Jimmy Raye I suppose!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said it
i am running with sing on everything but raye and crab. i don’t believe in either of those 2. and crab will disrupt our locker room. i feel it. so do many other fans who have a vivid memory of the t.o. days
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
by redrum21225 on Oct 6, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO publicly blasted the team and the coach
We don’t know if Crabtree is that kinda guy, he has yet to sign. These players understand the business side of things and there will be a problem in the locker room if there is a hint of favortism. I have one word for the Bold words and the locker room morale, Singletary, and he isn’t having that BS!!
"Optimist Prime"
Come along and ride the muthaship!
by rlott#42 on Oct 7, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to NFL.com
as of 25 minutes ago…
49ers report no progress in negotiations with holdout CrabtreeI was "Deific16"
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on Oct 5, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they are dismissing the earlier reports though. They are just saying what everybody has said for the past couple of days. What is new is the idea that Crabtree is flying to SF, which they ay nothing about.
DOUBLE SWITCHES AND MATCH-UPS, THAT'S WHAT BRUCE BOCHY DOES!
by PAWarrior on Oct 5, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
crabgrass
the bottom line on this young twerp is, the team doesn’t need
him and the fans don’t want another T O. end of sublect. off him go to detroit.
by tystick on Oct 5, 2009 9:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
TO was a Beast
I’d take another TO (in his first 6 seasons), especially with Singletary as the coach
Tinman
by Tinman17 on Oct 5, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 49ers Release
Dabson Collins from the practice squad. I know i know it’s a minor move not even worthy of much conversation. Except for this. What does that mean? Are they planning to demote someone (Curtis Taylor, Jason Hill or Ricky-Jean Francois) to the practice squad in order to make room for i don’t know maybe Crabtree? I know it could be a stretch but isn’t the timing a little bit well shall i say odd?
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 5, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
practice squad
I mentioned this above about the move:
There’s a good chance the 49ers will get a week or two exception for Crabtree where Crabtree will be able to practice with the team, but not play in the games, and in turn would NOT count against the 53-man roster for that week or 2. So no it’s probably not related.
by Fooch on Oct 5, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
for the clarification. I have not had the time to read all the posts on these seperate threads so i apoligize for re-hashing it. So i wonder what move the 49ers are going to make in terms of this. Either way i am pretty sure Crabtree will be in uniform and on the field against the Colts at the latest, but most likely the Texans
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 6, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fooch hit on this above
and I think Sando said it first, but typically the NFL will give us a roster exception of about 2 weeks to allow Crabtree to practice, not suit up for games, without having to cut someone. So seems like this is either unrelated, the NFL denied the claim for roster exemption, or Niners brass didn’t know….my guess unrelated. Or maybe, we know that Crab is coming, and want to work out a OLineman while we get our 2 week roster exemption?
by hudd07 on Oct 5, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Hill,
Wouldn’t last on the PS.
I was "Deific16"
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on Oct 6, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wind up in Chicago
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
by rlott#42 on Oct 6, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah The More I Think About It Your Right
Teams carry 6 receivers and i would have to say that Hill is probably one of the 200 receivers in the NFL (laughing to myself) . QB’s, RB’s, DT’s, And Safeties are probably the easiest players to hid on the practice squad simply because of the roster number crunch.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 6, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
first comment on 49ers forum yadig?
singletary lead us to victory baby. you beat teh falcons worse then the vikings il nut. WILLIS, CLEMENTS, MC.DONALD/FRANKLIN. KEEP GIGGIN, ILL SEE YOU LIVE SOON ENOUGH. im only 21 and i swear to god ill be @ every playoff match with my boys. give them hell patrick!!!!!
by kin on Oct 6, 2009 5:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know PFT has less of a rep around here than ESPN, and especially the local guys ...
… but there’s a little more here …
I know Crabtree is a great player, and I know we should be excited about him coming in, even if we all pretended to hate him before. But I really do worry that his signing might just disrupt what has been a really cohesive team unit. The likes of Spikes, Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, obviously Willis, on defense, plus on Crabtree’s side of the ball, Shaun Hill, Joe Staley, Gore, Coffee, all feel like out-and-out team men to me, and not divas in the slightest. Am I wrong to fret a little that Mr Look At Me comes in, goes all TO on us and disrupts the togetherness that Coach Sing has garnered so successfully?
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 6, 2009 8:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you're wrong
Am I wrong to fret a little that Mr Look At Me comes in, goes all TO on us and disrupts the togetherness that Coach Sing has garnered so successfully?
I think this is worth a small amount of worry – but at this point if I were planning on worrying about something I would worry a lot more about whether or not he will sign in the first place. I think once he’s in with the team he won’t be nearly as big a distraction as TO – he seems like (while he have big ego) he’s a relatively quiet guy and a decent teammate
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 6, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope you're right!
Thanks for the reply. I guess we’ll find out soon who the real diva was – Michael or his agent.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 6, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As it curretnly stands,
His not being here consumes a certain amount of oxygen and media inquiry so I don’t think it will be any worse with him on the team. It’ll be the story for a while (especially during the bye week) and it’ll be noted when he has hisr firsts (game active/ play / reception / TD) but then the games and our play will become the most important factor. Willis is now becoming the public face of the franchise. Gore will return after the bye. As the season wears on and we’re in a playoff race it’ll be all about play on the field.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 6, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the reply ...
… and I love your point about Willis becoming the public face of the franchise. I read somewhere recently that all the while that Singletary is the public face, that’ll be a failing on the team’s part, and as soon as someone comes through as that face, Sing’s work is done. Step forward, Patrick.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 6, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well your right about no meeting with Scot Mc.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/10/06/49ers-will-resume-discussions-with-crabtree-tuesday/
because the niners and letting the VP, meet with him.
“Scot Mc. isn’t meeting with him this is a hoax” Jesus people way to jump to conclusions.
by whitemike1644 on Oct 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN
I wonder why they feel they need to lie about facts. It’s not like they have a lack of material… Seems like certain “resources” fabricate information to keep thier jobs or something. Tired of the on-going saga…especially considering there seems to not be any saga.
by Drew K on Oct 6, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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