Would you do this trade
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Oct 5, 2009 10:06 PM PDT
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PrintFooch's Note: This isn't related to any current story, but I think it's an interesting question posed and worth moving to the front page. I mentioned it in the comments, but I think this kind of decision would depend in part on what you think Brady would do behind the 49ers offensive line...
So a friend and I were talking about a week ago about a scenario, and my friend is pats fan. He brought up the idea or trade of Patrick Willis for Tom Brady. My first reactions was helllllllllllllllllllllllllll no fool, no way we trade pdub. But I have been thinking about it lately, although I wouldn't do that trade, maybe it is something to consider. Tom Brady at full health is almost unstoppable, and would do wonders for our offense(Crabtree). But then again it is Patrick Willis, the heart and soul of the defense, the beast, the man, pdub, whatever you want to call him. Hard to trade a guy like that. I think the general consensus would be no way in hell you would do that, but it is something I thought of after a couple hours
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Interesting
These kind of discussions happen among fans all the time. That’s an intriguing idea. I think part of it depends on how you feel Brady would do with the 49ers offensive line.
front page
Interesting enough to move to the front page.
by David Fucillo on Oct 5, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't do this trade for one big reason
Tom Brady is 32 years old and Patrick Willis is only 24. That’s a differance of 8 years. If Tom Brady was 4 years younger I would think it was a great trade. But as it stands, Brady only has about 4 more years. Not to mention we have an offensive coordinator who is all about the run. Brady would be wasted with our offensive plan.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Brady's contract expires in 2010.
So what he does in 4 years is largely irrelevant.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Oct 6, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
This sums it up
Plus he’s coming off an injury and would not have Moss.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
iawtc
Why?
1) age
2) money
3) team philosophy on offense (run first)
4) team philosophy on defense (d wouldn’t be the same without him)
5) Tom Brady’s a glory boy who’s basically hit his ceiling—or may never get to it again
6) health
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
3) team philosophy on offense (run first)
I’m getting pretty sick of seeing this being used as an argument against finding a real quarterback. We’re a run first team because we have Shaun Hill at quarterback…if we had someone better behind center, we would be running a much more balanced offense and we would be a much better team.
Just look at the Vikings – last year they were a run-first team with a great defense. This made them a playoff contender. When they fell behind, though, their weakness (the passing game) was exposed. This year, with Brett Favre at the helm, they have gone with a much more balanced attack. They can still run the ball all day long, but if AP struggles, then they can just hand the game over to Favre. All of a sudden, they’re NFC favorites.
If we had a quarterback like Brady, then we wouldn’t have to be a run-run-run team.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
+1
Willis will be great for 10, maybe 12 years. Brady has maybe 5-6 years of greatness in him, and that’s pretty generous. The longevity of a football player isn’t such that you can trade a young stud for an all-world vet and get full value, especially on a team that still seems to be a year or two away from competing for a super bowl.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
The Niners could’ve drafted Brady in the 5th round, instead they wait till the 7th to get the QB from LaTech……Tim Rattay. Nice scouting!
was that some kind of knock on Tim Rattay?
tread lightly my friend
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
We need to look for an accurate QB vs one with arm strength.
There will only be one Peyton Manning, all I llok for from a QB is firing accurately under pressure which you can’t simulate. If he can accuratley Whip passes(all within 35 yd routes) I can work with him. If Hill could make EVERY NFL throw he’d be outstanding.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
Never… Patrick Willis is the Poster Boy of the 49ers… He will be the MVP in this years Superbowl when we beat the Jets ;)
+100
Willis is what we want our team to be.
Besides, I don’t think Tom Brady will fit into our system. We don’t have the receivers for him to throw to, and as defenses have shown if you rush Tom Brady he’s merely mortal.
Well our O-line can’t protect Shaun Hill—they won’t be able to do it for Brady either and we’d be in the same boat. I think that Brady is actually slower than Shaun Hill too, so there’s no benefit there.
Granted he’s got plenty of experience, but if that’s all we need let’s pick up Jeff Garcia off free agency (or any other QB that’s looking for work).
What a horrible idea.
Brady would fit into any system.
He’s one of the best QB’s ever.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
Oh come on
You think he can’t throw short passes and checkdowns all day?!?!? Holy logic fail Batman, Brady is the king of that.
Furthermore, “the system” is what it is because we have Hill at QB. If we had a more capable QB they’d obviously change things. In other words, if we had arguably one of the top 5 QB’s ever we wouldn’t run Glen Coffee into the line 25 times a game, we’d be shredding defenses apart with the pass. Brady was a monster in New England with no receivers, he’d be great on any team.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions
No protection
Holy Sack Batman. He didn’t manage to check down in the superbowl. I keep referencing that since it would be that way every game. With Willis gone from the D it won’t be top 4 vs the run. McKillop and Spikes? Two mud slow ILB’s yeah that’ll work who cares if one is a rookie!!
The system is also what it is because of the OL, that’s where it starts. TB has 3 pro bowl OL’s we have how many?
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
LOL
Brady was no monster until 2007, after NE got him some WR. Before that it was Deion Branch (remember that beast, frog), some mid round picks and left over free agents.
10 season with around 20 TD each. Oh, he did throw for around 50 TD’s in 2007.
150 TDs / 9 seasons = 16.6TD
Soooo...
How long has he been in the NFL, how many TD’s does he have, and how many rings?
Brady has no impact in NE?
LOL, only you can try to obfuscate reality.
Well, we're waiting....
He’s done a fabulous job in his career setting up Vinatieri for incredibly long and difficult game winning kicks.
Also assists from the Tuck Rule, Drew Beldsoe, Troy Brown’s blocked FG for TD, tape recording the Rams, Mike Martz refusal to use Marshall Faulk, Carolina’s kicker, the best defensive coach in football and the Brady Rule.
Wait
And you think Shaun Hill is good???
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
It’s called efficiency. You don’t have to throw 50 TD’s to be good.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I see where bignerd is going with this...
It’s about how a Franchise QB who throws for 50 TD’s is nothing compared to a lesser QB who has 23 in 3 years, due to the fact that the QB who has 23 is generally more efficient because the NFL has become a model for QB’s that make Brady obsolete.
Well, we're waiting....
Focus?...
Can you?
Brady was no monster until 2007, after NE got him some WR
Bwah!
Well, we're waiting....
Bwah!!
Now you are going with Manning? Bwah! Where do we go next? Unitas? Marino? Kelly? Staubach?
Wow, let’s lead bignerd down his path of fail here.
Well, we're waiting....
WTF do you mean by monster?
Brady had one monster statistical season. He was the luckest SOB on the planet to win in 2001. The 2003-2004 Patriots were so good they didn’t even ask him to do much, not his fault sometimes the game was to win with limited use of his arm.
The two season the Pats have asked Brady to air it out was 2002 and 2007.
Not only has Brady..
Thrown for over 3000 yds consistently between 2001 and 2006, he has thrown for over 4000 yds twice in that span. His QB rating is stellar during this period, and the one season where he peaked is astronomical in numbers. Before he got hurt.
He is already passed for over 1000 this season. In 4 games.
Forget the stupid “Willis over Brady” stuff.
You’re seriously gonna question Brady’s production? Why?
Because I’m pissing you off, that’s why.
Well, we're waiting....
Check my numbers here..
He has thrown for over 25,000 yards between 2001-2006 and I’m not even accurate on that. I’m not even gonna go where how many TD’s he has thrown, because it’s HOF stuff already.
Well, we're waiting....
You do know passing for over 3000 yards in a season means you only passed for 187 per game?
18 QBs surpassed the 3000 yard mark in 2008. It’s like 1000 yard rushers.
I like Tom Brady, but he hasn’t made a career being a statical monster.
Brady wouldn’t make this team better if you took Patrick Willis away to do it.
Are you talking YDs per game? ..
Because Brady’s average per is around 230. Not a statistical monster?
50tds, 8 ints, almost 5000 yards, 117.2 QB rating. In one season.
It would be crazy if that was a fluke. Being that he is capable of doing that with his stellar production over the years shows that he is a legit HOF QB.
Oh, I forget, your idea of QB’s is those that produce less are better than Brady with a defense and run game. Brady would not matter on this team, despite as you say, his lack of WR talent before Moss. Brady from what I read from you is a true dinosaur on his way out. Despite the fact the true Franchise QB’s are still the norm in the NFL when is come to consistent offensive production.
Too bad Tommy Frazier is old. He’s your perfect QB.
Well, we're waiting....
Instead of giving up Willis lets trade Spikes for Randall Cunningham. He is what, 65 cents on the dollar to Tom Brady?
We still a get a QB with leg issues, had a statistically monster season (also throwing to Moss ), a potential if the mood strikes them right HOF QB, a guy used to playing with a good defense, experience in a Run n’ Shoot offense and we get to keep Willis. I even think Cunningham was an MVP candidate on a few occasions.
LOL
Sorry, I had to jump in once Brendan started taking it too seriously.
“Do you know the value of franchise QB is greater than a franchise MLB?”
“Brady would fit into any system.”
LOL, it’s not a serious discussion.
Of course it isn't..
You think Brady isn’t an Elite QB.
How can that be serious?
Well, we're waiting....
No this was funny
Brady was a monster in New England with no receivers, he’d be great on any team.
Patrick Willis for Tom Brady was a blatant attempt to get some posted homerism.
Instead it generated Homer-ism.
ZOMG, Tom Brady is the greatest ever! We’d winz the SB.
I find it interesting...
that you would downplay Brady for being on several Superbowl winning teams…and then click on another thread and talk up Shaun Hill for “winning” a hand full of regular season games against garbage opponents.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
I really like Tom Brady
But I disagree with the idea you could plug him into any team and win, which I felt was suggested.
Theres no way in hell that SIng would let that happen and Hell NOOOO i wouldn’t make that trade.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 5, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It Would Be One Helluva Headline...
Brady Comes Back Home..
This is what the actual headline would say...
Jed York fined 49"er",000 dollars for substance abuse…
Drugs would be the only way we would make such of an obnoxious trade
Only if we got a decent O-line and a less conservative OC along with Brady.
Brady on 2009 49ers is useless.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
WTF?
This is right on par with those Julius Peppers/Shawne Merriman fanposts asking the 49ers to trade away both 2010 1st round picks and take on a maximum contract.
discussion
I think this is even further away from reality….which makes it a fun hypothetical to discuss. We know it will never happen so why not just banter about it?
by David Fucillo on Oct 5, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
site decorum those guys we'll wait for FA
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
Heart and sould of the defense?
I think it would be more appropriate to call him the heart and soul of the entire team. Removing Willis removes any chance the 49ers have at winning to me.
My Will Clark will kick your honor student's ass!
There isn't a player in this ENTIRE league I would trade P Will for........Not one!
Patrick is the heart and soul of our defense, imagine Brady here and Pat gone. We’d have an accurate QB who can’t be protected, pretty much making our season look like the Giants vs Pats Superbowl. P Will is as fast as a WR and hits like a Madman. Plus he has had 3 years with Sing’s influence, who is arguably the greatest MLB of all time. P Will is irreplaceble, and I stand firm on that!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
That's silly
A franchise QB has a ton more value than Bamm Bamm. Now I’m not saying Brady would be a good fit because of his contract and age but if the front office could trade Willis for Matt Ryan they’d do it in a heartbeat and cry tears of joy. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
He is a Franchise QB.....Just on the Defense
Defense wins championships……The one time Brady went to a Superbowl where offense was the best side of the ball he went home with a loss. No Way you trade Willis, there will be another Matt Ryan, who was the last Bamm Bamm……none since Ray Lewis.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
QB's are much, MUCH more valuable than MLB's
There’s just no comparison. When a team gets a guy like Brady, Manning, or Farve they are usually top contenders mostly their whole career.
The bottom line is that linebackers just don’t have nearly the impact that QB’s have. If the Ravens tried to trade Ray in his prime for Manning in his prime the Colts would have laughed in their face. I’m sure the Falcons would do the same with Ryan, there’s absolutely no way they’d even consider trading him for Willis.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
This is so pointless
Why argue when we got Nate Davis?
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
True
No point. Nate Davis brought all that is good into the world. And the Pats brought everything that was bad, so I’m not sure what I’m doing here. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Some QB's are more important than some MLB's
The only QB more important than Willis would have to be Manning, he’s #1 by far, yeah by far. He’s too high up in age for consideration. A defensive leader will be better served than a QB on a defensive team.
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
A defensive leader will be better served than a QB on a defensive team.
Having a franchise quarterback means that you no longer have to comfort yourself by embracing the label of a “defensive team”. You simply become a “good team”.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
But at the loss of a P Will
Your defense goes from 4th in the league to 15th and possibly worse since the morale would plummit. Since your offense still would not be high powered, that franchise QB wouldn’t hit the field much. There’s only ONE P Manning and he isn’t the QB we’re discussing.
"Optimist Prime"
Come along and ride the muthaship!
I don't think...
… Willis by himself is worth 11 ranking spots. As great as I think Willis is (he’s by far my favorite 49ers’ player), he plays a position that is somewhat replaceable on defense. He, himself, isn’t very easily replaced, but finding someone to amass tackles from a position that is designed to amass tackles really isn’t that difficult to do.
It's not just tackles, he's the damn Captain. maybe 5 it's not the same!
You tellin m that the bears d didn’t REALLY need Mike to be that good? Diagnosing plays and making them himself is easily replaced? He has the speed of a wideout for crying out loud. I’m saying, with the loss of your leader, your morale would plummit as a unit, and it would. look at the Ravens after losing Bart Scott, they have Ray Lewis, terrell suggs, ed reed, and the same guys up front. We’d have Justin Smith, McDonald and uuuuhhhhh, bunch of unproven guys who benefit from teams scheming against Willis.
"Optimist Prime"
Come along and ride the muthaship!
As I said.
Willis himself isn’t replaceable, but finding a decent Mike LB that prevents the team from falling apart really isn’t that difficult.
I’m not advocating getting rid of Willis. As I mention, he’s my favorite player. I was just simply pointing out that his performance isn’t worth 11 ranking spots.
How does a team get to 3-1 while being ranked 28th in offense ???
Willis is the heart of our great D. The 9ers are winning with D !!! S. Hill is a top notch QB. Envision him with time to throw. If the 9ers O-Line was better, and the rest remained the same, they could be headed for the SB. Getting rid of Willis would be like trading Montana or Lott in their 3rd year.
Nine mile skid, on a ten mile ride ... Hot as a pistol but cool inside
You must be trying to start a new debate! Hill is some where around average and above average.
S. Hill is a top notch QB
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
Hill Is Not A Top Notch QB
That assessment would have to be left for the likes of Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees. Shaun Hill is of course a good QB and above average. But in now way can he be placed among those listed above. But we don’t need a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning type the way our team is constructed
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't want to debate you on this again
But I’ll just say this is totally unfair:
Shaun Hill is of course a good QB and above average
Saying Hill is “of course a good QB” is like saying Adam Snyder is a nice RT. At the best it’s highly debatable if not outright wrong.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
He's got a darn good percentage. Also, check out his 7-0 home games record.
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
He does have a good Checkdown Percentage™
That’s true. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
A Checkdown to Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, or Frank Gore
Is like a 12 yard pass to anybody else.
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
And on top of that
He’s a Gritty Veteran (Rich Aurillia Class)™
I’d say he’s the best QB in football at this point in time.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh, no.
But if our players can just mesh and play to the top of their potential we’ll get to the Super Bowl anyway so it doesn’t really matter right?
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Alex smith doesn't even have a good checkdown percentage.
"Optimist Prime"
Come along and ride the muthaship!
Say What?
Trade possibly the best defensive player in the entire NFL for a 32 year old QB coming off an injury that hasn’t been himself in 2009? No way in HELL do we even think about this… I am kinda surprised the play the topic has even got to this point
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 6, 2009 12:52 AM PDT reply actions
In fairness..
That’s a tough injury. Brady was lights out before it. If Willis had the same injury, it could equal the impact on the team depsite the age.
Brady is a HOF QB in the wings. Willis has yet to be on a team with winning season. But I wouldn’t make that trade no how. Willis is more important to this team now than before.
It’s Willis’ team. I just want a QB that has the potential of being Brady to go along with it.
Well, we're waiting....
PSHAW
We have a QB that has the potential of being Brady. NATE DAVIS, remember him?
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Oops, I forgot...
…This is Drummer I’m talking to. The guy who said he was drilling through my thick skull (but forgot that drummers beat ON things, not THROUGH them).
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions
The best tones you get..
are from things that resonate. Why? Because the is nothing but space between.
Well, we're waiting....
Ever seen Battlestar Galactica?
My skull is like the void. You can see the edges but nothing in between. But when you go into that nothingness you discover a treasure you could not have thought possible.
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Ehe. Right, if you say so. Don't forget though, Jack Sparrow is always wasted and yet he can think circles around everyone else.
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Cmon drumstick, don't tell me that you threw in the towel already?
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides, it isn't really a fight is it? The word "fight" implies that you actually have a chance against me
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions
"For the princess? To the death? I accept!"
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess you've never seen "The Princess Bride"?
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I have...
Probably the only movie where an actor named “Mandy” could play a badass.
Well, we're waiting....
Ok quick, what old time song is this from:
“Mandy, there’s a minister handy…”
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 3:18 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL..
I don’t know.
But you are seriously having a good time.
That’s a good thing.
Well, we're waiting....
Well that's fair cause I don't know either
I’m pretty sure it is from “White Christmas” (GREAT movie btw), but I would not swear to it.
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Well..
I’d drink a few with you anytime, but only if that music never is played.
Well, we're waiting....
"Rum is a vile drink that turns even the best men into complete scoundrels."
In other words, I don’t drink. Mebbe that’s why I’m so smart. It is definitely why I’m so modest.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? That music is so much fun! Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Ginger Rogers, Rodgers and Hammerstein, Julie Andrews. The list just goes on and on. “They sure don’t make em like they used to.”
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not meant to be serious
It’s meant to stimulate discussion. Obviously there is no chance of it happening.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
y not? Because people don't agree with you? I thought that made it a discussion!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
Huh???
I said the purpose of it was “to stimulate a discussion”. Do you not understand what the word “stimulate” means?
It’s obviously not meant to be serious because the trade has no chance of happening. But it is an interesting discussion.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I simulated the whole thread
We have drummer threatening to square off in a public battle of wits just above. Do I need to say more where this topic is headed?
Quick, Frank Gore for Ed Reed? . . . Go!
Ok...
So we take away 9 years of Favre’s career, just to make your argument.
Well, we see where your head is at.
Well, we're waiting....
Farve was fairly good at one point I hear...
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm
Are you trying to bring context here?
Well, we're waiting....
If I don’t count Brady’s 2008 as a season, give him credit for 2009 seasons TDs, still without counting 2009 as a season. Take away Favre’s TD’s in 2009 but count it as a full season while including Brett’s rookie year when he didn’t play a snap than Brady does have a higher TD ratio per season. Have another beer. You are better troll when aren’t trying to throw out stats.
Ok, Patrick Willis for Fran Tarkenton or Dan Marino? Or lets say Steve Young will come back if Willis will agree to retire right now.
I love this idea of taking our best player just getting into his prime and trading him for the biggest name in the twilight of their career. What a fascinating scenario. How about Patrick Willis for Matt Hasselbeck, Shaun Alexander and Walter Jones. Can’t wait to vote “Yeahh Boy” in that survey.
Are you trying to make sense here?...
Here is a clue:
Brady is not turning 40 next week. If you wanna spot Brady ten years opposed to Favre, then you have an argument. But you have to spot Favre ten years. That’s like the local Golf pro spotting you 50 strokes on an Executive course with he having a scratch handicap.
LOL, this:
I love this idea of taking our best player just getting into his prime and trading him for the biggest name in the twilight of their career. What a fascinating scenario. How about Patrick Willis for Matt Hasselbeck, Shaun Alexander and Walter Jones. Can’t wait to vote "Yeahh Boy" in that survey.
Way to go bignerd. Nice to see you try to throw crap on the wall, only to hit your LCD display.
Well, we're waiting....
Brady isn’t turning 26 next week either. He’s got around 4 trips around the course left in him and that doesn’t account for Adam Snyder being assigned as his body guard.
I think..
I may need to get this spotting thingy worked out.
In order to discuss football with you, I may need to spot you 100 IQ points to make it interesting.
If we were playing golf, I would have only 5 clubs in my bag to your 14 for the same.
Well, we're waiting....
Hells yeah.
Okay, i think Reed is fairly old actually. He’s a better player than Frank the Tank though.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, not on either side!!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
Obviously this is about the most unrealistic trade scenario possible
Even moreso than the Niners saying no, the Pats wouldn’t trade Brady for Willis. They’d probably laugh and hang up the phone. The downgrade from Brady to Hoyer (the backup) is much, much bigger than the upgrade they’d get from Willis. The Pats are contenders so they wouldn’t want to ruin they’re chances of winning this year.
As for the Niners, it’d make them a LOT better for this year at least but the salary cap ramifications and eventual age-related decline for Brady would cancel that out.
If money wasn’t a factor I’d guess yeah the Niners would make the trade. But that’s obviously not the case and the odds of a trade like this happening are literally less than zero.
It wouldn't make them better!
Brady looked like every other QB in the NFL when he had constant pressure vs the Giants and that’s pre-injury for him. He would come here and be above average and no where near what we saw. He had a good defense in all his Superbowl WINS! There is no OL, WR that put fear in D, there is just Gore and he’s out Brady wouldn’t do much here. they may not win the division, it would be like the cardinals without the wideouts
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
Brady would be worlds better than Hill will ever be
I love how you use one game against the Superbowl Champions with constant pressure in his face to write off Brady. He actually played pretty well that game, considering the circumstances I doubt many QB’s would have fared better. And Brady is so good he doesn’t need receivers. I’m not saying he would play like he did in 2007 but he would undoubtedly be a huge upgrade over any recent NIners QB.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
We don't agree, and since we don't there's no point in arguing?
Tom Brady would not make the 09 49ers better if there is no Willis on defense. Brady is a solid QB don’t get me wrong, but him with this OL would not work. Anyone can get pressure rushing 4 and that was the problem in NY. And he couldn’t have possibly had a good game, their offense put up 38 in week 16 or 17 when they faced the giants, then a measly 14 in the biggest game of the year. He looked pretty average that game, Shaun Hill like despite the Franchise QB talent! Brady’s Superbowl teams had Solid defenses. He had a bad running game and bad receivers and a stellar defense. Defense in SF wouldn’t be stellar without Willis, so I don’t see his addition as making us better, maybe adding sex appeal and more points offensively but not stopping anyone. Like I said it would be like the Cardinals without the big game WR’s!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
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It's rlott#42 and we're not arguing.
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He's an upgrade, just not the answer.
I think the team as a whole would be better with Willis on D, than Brady on O with no Willis. Brady would have to score points. Belichek isn’t included in a package deal. If you remember his titles were won with defense.
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WORST TRADE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!
I’m not saying that the trade doesn’t look good as stated for a one year run to the Super Bowl. BUT THAT ISN’T THE SITUATION!! We already have the next Tom Brady on the team. NATE DAVIS IS GOING TO TEAR THINGS UP NEXT YEAR!!!
Also, I’m already quivering with excitement over the possibility of a Niners D that is exactly the same as it is now but with Scott McKillop replacing Spikes and Diyral Briggs replacing Harris(and/or Brooks). Our D getting even better is just plain scary.
This team is already pretty darn good as is, but with:
1. A year playing together and under Sing’s leadership
2. An even better D with some hot young rookies (Briggs and McKillop)
3. A true franchise QB that can feel the rush and avoid it, make the big throws and the small throws, and knows when to throw it away
4. A year of experience under Coffee’s belt
5. A still young and improving WR corps (hopefully including a repentant Crabtree)
With those improvements, the rest of the NFL will have to look at us and shiver.
Bottom Line: FORGET TOM BRADY, WE GOT NATE DAVIS!!!
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:41 AM PDT reply actions
Oh, and can imagine having two Patrick Willises as our ILBs? That's potentially what we got with McKillop.
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Nate Davis can't be the reason to ignore this trade, he played against backups!
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Backups or not Davis showed instints, accuracy, decision making, mobility, pocket presence, etc. Those are things that are the same not matter who you are playing.
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but Coffee exceled against the first team defense in the preseason.
His avg is horrible now!
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I’ve been evilly laughing out loud ever since the draft. I just feel sorry for other teams.
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
Just wait until after next year’s draft. The whole team is going to be BEAST MODE.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Heck yeah!
Diyral Briggs and Parys Haralson as our OLB pass rushers, McKillop and Willis as our ILBs, our current DBs (or mebbe an even better SS), and our current D-line.
On offense, Nate Davis, Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Gore, Coffee, Morgan, Crabtree, Jones.
And you’re telling me we can pickup a whole bunch more hot young rookies?? That’s just not even fair. Imagine a Percy Harvin type instead of Jones for example. That would be so sweet!
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Imagine having a right tackle instead of a turnstile...
Also, you forgot Manny, he’s been in BEAST MODE so far this season.
We’re going to draft Tebow and McCoy in the first and run a full house fomration but with QB’s to spice up the offense (with Frank Gore at QB of course).
With our second rounder we’ll take Terrance Cody. No, not to play NT, to be the short-yardage back. Think about it, 4th and goal from the one, try to stop 365 pounds of pure fat you (site decorums).
The third rounder will definitely be Toby Gerhart, just for the embarassment factor. When we’re up 45-3 in the 3rd quarter every game we put in Gerhart just to say, "How does it feel to have a white boy run the ball down your throats, (site decorums)?
4th round we go with Jahvid Best, just to monpolize the word “best”. He never plays though, Gerhart is above him on the depth chart.
No one cares about 5th, 6th, or 7th rounders
Finally, we get Chris Johnson and Marshawn Lynch, just because I have an irrational mancrush on them. We need to take all the cool players from the other teams.
So our base offense is a nine running back formation with Hill, Tebow, McCoy, Gore, Coffee, Lynch, Johnson, Cody, and Gerhart all lined up in a big gigantic I. We have two offensive lineman, Staley and Rachal. Smashmouth football baby.
BELIEVE IT.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 6, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hahahaha!
Too funny man! (Gerhart is a beast though! Hope we pick him up!)
by Riding The F Train on Oct 6, 2009 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd for humor
LMAO…………..But if we got Cody I wouldn’t be surprised if he led block on the Goaline.
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Finally, we get Chris Johnson and Marshawn Lynch, just because I have an irrational mancrush on them. We need to take all the cool players from the other teams.
It’s not an irrational mancrush, these two play integral parts in our team philosophy:
Marshawn has a BA in Ghost Riding. He can take the injury cart and ghost ride down the sidelines as Tebow and Gerhart lateral the ball back and forth for our 15th TD each week (by team tradition) while Johnson and his nursing degree prep little Phillipino boys for their circumcisions as part of Tebow’s TD celebration.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 6, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
HELL NO!!
Frankly if you voted yes or think this is remotely a good idea than you fail as a fan and should please start rooting for another team. (I hear the cowboys and raiders are looking for more dumb fans)
hellllllll no
p willis is the best player in the league imo……definitely my favorite active player, along with ray lewis. i like the 9ers as a defensive team. defense wins games. 9er fans need to stop wishing for the west coast offense days. that offense hasn’t been effective for many teams in a long time. lets build a defense like the ravens. eventually nate davis will be our flacco
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
Nah...
First, it’s Patrick Willis. He’s the key part of the defence, which at this point is what we’re relying on.
Second, Brady is great and all, but I don’t think he’d do well here because of our O-Line and because he won’t have Belichick’s system to thrive in.
Now if this was Peyton, the only thing that would stop me from doing the trade would be the age difference.
That’s just me anyway…
I wouldn't trade Willis for anybody
( not even for Tony ~ Where for Art Thy TD’s ~ Romo)
The future ain't what it used to be. Go Niners!
No Weenies On Our Team
Did you see the girl Brady egg the ref on to throw the flag when Suggs barely touched him on Sunday?? Brady should be wearing a yellow sun dress on the field..
The model wife has turned Brady into a girl..It was truly pathetic and I don’t blame the Ravens for calling Brady out..
Hey Tom if you don’t want to get hit, play tennis or golf..
Mostly unrelated to this thread.
But I do agree – Tom Brady lost some serious man points for that.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Tom Brady would be useless....
because he would have OUR offensive line lol
Careful with all this talk...
Goodell might take away a draft choice, again.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
I don't do this trade right now ..
… for two reasons:
Brady’s age and injury history.
I think Brady enters the short list conversation for the best QB of all time. Willis might, eventually, do the same at LB, but a top QB is more valuable than a top LB.
But Brady isn’t 100%, and leg injuries can take a long time for QBs to come back with. And if it takes him, say, two years to get healthy, how old is he? How many more years of top performance do you expect to get out of him?
But as a matter of principle, all else being equal, if you can trade the best LB in the game for the best QB in the game you do it. That’s even true if, say, you’re talking about the best of all time: you would trade Lawrence Taylor for Joe Montana.
And at the moment, on the all-time lists, Brady is closer to Montana than Willis is to LT. And LT was a pass-rushing LB, which is more valuable than a ILB.
(In practice, neither team makes an LT-for-Joe trade. Teams have a bias toward guys they already have.)
That being said, there are good reasons not to make this trade:
We’re a young team, and WIllis is a young player. Brady isn’t. Our O-line and receivers would limit Brady’s effectiveness even if he’s 100% recovered from the leg injury (whichI don’t think he is, psychologically, at least). We’ve been building our defense around Wilis’ abilities, which would create a huge problem if we lost him.
by Ronaldinho on Oct 7, 2009 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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