Michael Crabtree and the COMPLETELY UNRELATED Braylon Edwards-Jets trade
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 10:23 AM PDT
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Amidst the euphoria of Michael Crabtree contract signing, people might have missed out on the news that Braylon Edwards was dealt by the Cleveland Browns to the New York Jets. Edwards has plenty of baggage and I don't think many people are surprised he was traded. What is interesting though is the team that acquired Edwards.
Now I certainly wouldn't want to accuse anybody of tampering (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but the timing is certainly amusing nonetheless. Ray Ratto made a good point today that maybe the 49ers can actually thank Braylon Edwards for finally getting things done. If he doesn't get in a pissing contest with LeBron James, maybe he doesn't finally get dealt and thus completely take away the Jets leverage.
But we're not here to talk about that. What I want to know, is whether the 49ers continue pressing on the tampering charges. As nocal81 pointed out in our Crabtree thread, even though Crabtree signed, the tampering charges are still on the table. When the 49ers got hosed by the Bears and the NFL, Lance Briggs had already re-signed with the Bears.
So would it be greedy to still want to punish the Jets? Obviously no if they broke the rules. Of course, if the tampering charge dies away, there are two potential responses: Either the NFL is screwing over the 49ers once again, or maybe the charges did not quite have the legs we might have initially thought. The coming weeks will remain interesting on this front.
So, do people think anything will come of the tampering charges at this point? Even if the Braylon Edwards trade is a coincidence, it's certainly amusing timing.
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Crabtree finally does something right post-college!
by Undagroundjoe on Oct 7, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
links
First off we have a daily link dump. Second, welcome to the site, I hope you plan on doing more than pimping out your site. Thanks.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't count on it
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 7, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY SMOKES CRABTREE SIGNED! THANKS UNDAGROUND JOE!
I JUST READ UNDAGROUNDJOE’S SITE IT’S OFFICIAL!!!
by WhiteBuffalo on Oct 7, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe getting Edwards makes it clear
The Jets knew Crabtree wanted to play for the 49ers and the Jets knew they weren’t going to get Crabtree.So it’s pretty fishy that they go and get Edwards.I hope NFL gets the Jets if they tampered which is looking more like they probably did.
by Smallville49er on Oct 7, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NFL Network reports
That the Browns were planning to trade Edwards anyway. He hasn’t produced for them, he wore out his welcome, and he punched out a good friend of King James. They want to start fresh and rebuild without him. But to the Jets?? That’s what makes me want to push this thing forward.
by agchee on Oct 7, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t imagine how horrible the Browns offense will be now.
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by Rishi on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t he go all of last weekend’s game without making a catch? He didn’t seem to be making any impact anyway- might as well get what you can for him. He had one really good year and the rest have been sub-mediocre… This just screams “overrated”
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 7, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt hang too much on just the one game
it’s the first game of his career or something that he didnt have a catch
Timmy is my Man-crush
by Fan from Sac on Oct 7, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But other than 2007, he’s been nothing special. Last week’s game is just a highlight (lowlight?) of that
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 7, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, opposing offenses still respect him.
That’s coverage that will be put on… whoever the hell the Browns have at receiver.
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by Rishi on Oct 7, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Co-incidence? or Greed
Co-incidence?? Yes, it is a Co-incidence that NFL public fan opinion wouldn’t want to accuse anybody (NY Jets) of tampering (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but the timing of Jets trading for a much needed wide-out is certainly amusing nonetheless!
Hey Mr. Commissioner, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and timing.
After all, why would NY Jets even think of tampering with Carptree? They didn’t need another potential great receiver, did they? Jets had no motive! Right! Humm….
O, or maybe, on second thought, they did? That’s why, the B. Edwards deal did place just after the Craptree signing! By then, after the "back door" deal was closed on Agent Parker and his buddy NY Jets General manager Tannenbaun. Parker was not able to pull off another deal like those two when they stole Martin from NE to Jets and Parker broke the Phx Cardinals bank with Fitzgerald’s obscene salary.
“Remember that statement from agent Parker last week that he had a firm offer for $40mil from another team (or two)? Well, that was a confession to tampering – at least one other team made a firm contract offer to Parker during a period when ONLY the 49ers had a right to be negotiating. As a result, the 49ers efforts to make a most fair and reasonable offer from the beginning, the 49ers have for all intends and purposes, have basically paid for a full season, yet lost the services of Mr. Craptree for most if not all of this year! Who pays the price for this?
Mr. Goodell, if you are a strong leader with integrity, you must now send a message and punish NY Jets and suspend Parker from doing business with NFL for at least year! By doing so, you make a statement that property rights for all in NFL draft is the Rule of Law and will be protected and Tampering in any form will not be tolerated. And maybe Mr. Crabtree, you can gain some respectability as new 49ers with your new fans by firing Parker that did not serve your interest well.
by ajp49er on Oct 7, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No take away some of thier picks and give them to us. Im hope this happens
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 7, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Charges need to go forward.
If this thing is real and its the real reason Crabtree didn’t sign earlier, than it needs to dealt with. Its all just what ifs at this point but what if we do sign him in training camp? He might have been a big factor right about now. Defenses would definitely have to account for him. But instead we might lost 2/3 of the season trying to get him up to speed.
by agchee on Oct 7, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Parker must have gotten wind of this and had no choice but to work with the contract on the table…. Niners should pursue the tampering charges…
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Oct 7, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree. If the Jets did tamper, then I’d think there almost HAS to be a connection to Crabtree not having signed by now. You can’t drop the charge now unless you have absolutely zero supporting evidence.
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by JRPhillips on Oct 7, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Co-incidence? or Greed
Co-incidence?? Yes, it is a Co-incidence that NFL public fan opinion wouldn’t want to accuse anybody (NY Jets) of tampering (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but the timing of Jets trading for a much needed wide-out is certainly amusing nonetheless!
Hey Mr. Commissioner, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and timing.
After all, why would NY Jets even think of tampering with Carptree? They didn’t need another potential great receiver, did they? Jets had no motive! Right! Humm….
O, or maybe, on second thought, they did? That’s why, the B. Edwards deal did place just after the Craptree signing! By then, after the "back door" deal was closed on Agent Parker and his buddy NY Jets General manager Tannenbaun. Parker was not able to pull off another deal like those two when they stole Martin from NE to Jets and Parker broke the Phx Cardinals bank with Fitzgerald’s obscene salary.
“Remember that statement from agent Parker last week that he had a firm offer for $40mil from another team (or two)? Well, that was a confession to tampering – at least one other team made a firm contract offer to Parker during a period when ONLY the 49ers had a right to be negotiating. As a result, the 49ers efforts to make a most fair and reasonable offer from the beginning, the 49ers have for all intends and purposes, have basically paid for a full season, yet lost the services of Mr. Craptree for most if not all of this year! Who pays the price for this?
Mr. Goodell, if you are a strong leader with integrity, you must now send a message and punish NY Jets and suspend Parker from doing business with NFL for at least year! By doing so, you make a statement that property rights for all in NFL draft is the Rule of Law and will be protected and Tampering in any form will not be tolerated. And maybe Mr. Crabtree, you can gain some respectability as new 49ers with your new fans by firing Parker that did not serve your interest well.
by ajp49er on Oct 7, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh it's definitely a LOT fishy
The day Crabtree signs the Jet’s trade for a WR. We can and WILL win this tampering charge. Even though we signed him, the Jet’s still cost us a whole year with Crabtree. You guys have to remember he went from practicing 7 days a week, twice a day in Training Camp, to now Wed-Fri. That’s going to be a LONG way back now.
by hudd07 on Oct 7, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jets are guilty
By them getting a receiver, I think it solidifies that they were in the market for a receiver. Obviously something happened with Crabtree or the Niners would not have filed charges. They were after Brandon Marshall earlier also. I find it strange that the Broncos didn’t file charges also. Seems that the Jets are being real slimy and secretive on how they’re going about thier tampering
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everybody and their mothers knew the Jets were in the market for a receiver
Just because they signed one, doesn’t mean they necessarily were doing something illegal with other ones. I still think they probably are guilty, but the Edwards trade means nothing wrt the tampering charges.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its obviously significant
I think you have a problem more with me than what I am saying. There’s no reason to disagree with what I said.
Marshall, Crabtree, and Edwards… I thinkit’s easy to do the math on that
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you're saying doesn't make a lot of sense
If the Jets were tampering with Crabtree they wouldn’t be able to trade for him until after the season. Which means he wouldn’t be suiting up for them until next year. Edwards, on the other hand will be playing for the Jets this year and is in a contract year so him spot on the Jets next year is yet to be secured. There’s really no connection here but all you conspiracy theorist have at it.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 7, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
What I’m saying doesn’t make sense? Did you read what you wrote before you hit send?
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I did
The Jets have been in the market for a WR since the off season, this is not news. Because they traded for Edwards doesn’t mean they tampered with Crabtree.
Please connect the dots for us. How does reconfirmation that the Jets were in the market for a WR confirm that they actually tampered with Crabtree?
I did read what I wrote. The only this that doesn’t make sense in my post is the typo where I wrote “him spot” and not “his spot”. Maybe your reading comprehension much lack your logic leaves something to be desired.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 7, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 49ers are not going to just throw caution to the wind having nothing to go off of and file charges.
The Edwards thing, whether you see it or not, significant
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Co-incidence? or Greed
Co-incidence?? Yes, it is a Co-incidence that NFL public fan opinion wouldn’t want to accuse anybody (NY Jets) of tampering (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but the timing of Jets trading for a much needed wide-out is certainly amusing nonetheless!
Hey Mr. Commissioner, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and timing.
After all, why would NY Jets even think of tampering with Carptree? They didn’t need another potential great receiver, did they? Jets had no motive! Right! Humm….
O, or maybe, on second thought, they did? That’s why, the B. Edwards deal did place just after the Craptree signing! By then, after the "back door" deal was closed on Agent Parker and his buddy NY Jets General manager Tannenbaun. Parker was not able to pull off another deal like those two when they stole Martin from NE to Jets and Parker broke the Phx Cardinals bank with Fitzgerald’s obscene salary.
“Remember that statement from agent Parker last week that he had a firm offer for $40mil from another team (or two)? Well, that was a confession to tampering – at least one other team made a firm contract offer to Parker during a period when ONLY the 49ers had a right to be negotiating. As a result, the 49ers efforts to make a most fair and reasonable offer from the beginning, the 49ers have for all intends and purposes, have basically paid for a full season, yet lost the services of Mr. Craptree for most if not all of this year! Who pays the price for this?
Mr. Goodell, if you are a strong leader with integrity, you must now send a message and punish NY Jets and suspend Parker from doing business with NFL for at least year! By doing so, you make a statement that property rights for all in NFL draft is the Rule of Law and will be protected and Tampering in any form will not be tolerated. And maybe Mr. Crabtree, you can gain some respectability as new 49ers with your new fans by firing Parker that did not serve your interest well.
by ajp49er on Oct 7, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
God, Fooch
I thought this internet sucked too. I was flipping out. Thanks for the heads up.
by Ninjames on Oct 7, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As evidenced by the issues with the Bears
The charges will go forward. And the draft needs to be protected, far more than free agency. If you lose a free agent due to tampering, you haven’t lost anything, really, just go after another one. If you draft somebody and then somebody tampers with your negotiations, you don’t have any chance to go after another player, the draft is over.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 7, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
im not sure if this has been posted, sorry if it has
by sundaysfinest on Oct 7, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Thanks for the link! Get to see Coach Sing give Crabs that look… the “I own you for the next 5 seasons” look…
by Typecast on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Make him climb mount sing
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 7, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not posted yet
I’ll get a FanShot up to highlight it. Thanks.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampering
Personally, I believe the Jets tampered.
I do not, however, believe that the Jets decided to trade for Edwards after Crabtree signed. Seems to me that the Jets probably decided to move on, in light of the tampering charges. With that leverage/back-up plan/whatever gone, Crabtree came back to the table.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Co-incidence? or Greed
Co-incidence?? Yes, it is a Co-incidence that NFL public fan opinion wouldn’t want to accuse anybody (NY Jets) of tampering (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but the timing of Jets trading for a much needed wide-out is certainly amusing nonetheless!
Hey Mr. Commissioner, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and timing.
After all, why would NY Jets even think of tampering with Carptree? They didn’t need another potential great receiver, did they? Jets had no motive! Right! Humm….
O, or maybe, on second thought, they did? That’s why, the B. Edwards deal did place just after the Craptree signing! By then, after the "back door" deal was closed on Agent Parker and his buddy NY Jets General manager Tannenbaun. Parker was not able to pull off another deal like those two when they stole Martin from NE to Jets and Parker broke the Phx Cardinals bank with Fitzgerald’s obscene salary.
“Remember that statement from agent Parker last week that he had a firm offer for $40mil from another team (or two)? Well, that was a confession to tampering – at least one other team made a firm contract offer to Parker during a period when ONLY the 49ers had a right to be negotiating. As a result, the 49ers efforts to make a most fair and reasonable offer from the beginning, the 49ers have for all intends and purposes, have basically paid for a full season, yet lost the services of Mr. Craptree for most if not all of this year! Who pays the price for this?
Mr. Goodell, if you are a strong leader with integrity, you must now send a message and punish NY Jets and suspend Parker from doing business with NFL for at least year! By doing so, you make a statement that property rights for all in NFL draft is the Rule of Law and will be protected and Tampering in any form will not be tolerated. And maybe Mr. Crabtree, you can gain some respectability as new 49ers with your new fans by firing Parker that did not serve your interest well.
by ajp49er on Oct 7, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol dude you posted this same comment like 5 other times in this thread.
we got it the first time
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by 49erLou on Oct 7, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would it be greedy to still want to punish the Jets?
uh no, why would it be. everyone always says the NFL is a dog eat dog business…
by Bo$$Ixta! on Oct 7, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No sir punish them up!!!
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
by Athletic on Oct 7, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree BABY!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you Al Davis for Michael Crabtree!!!!!
by Athletic on Oct 7, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what i dont understand is...
how could you not find out if they tampered or not. Deon said " there are 2 teams" and “Crabtree knows this” i mean what more do you need? all you have to do is ask Deon what does he know and ask crabtree what does he know. ask the jets why did they tamper with Brandon Marshal and Crabtree and why did they trade for a Receiver?
by Bo$$Ixta! on Oct 7, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s look at the major players in this deal. It’s tough to figure out how the Jets and Browns made off, given that the trade involved an "undisclosed" draft pick. For this exercise, let’s assume a second rounder:
Browns – Mangini’s offense already sucked to the point that they don’t have a stable QB and can’t score. Now, take away their #1 receiver and they’re stuck with nothing to spark the offense. He got a #3 receiver and an LB in return. Basically, Mangini is trying too hard to be Belichick and failing miserably.
Jets – Risk/Reward. Edwards drops a ton of passes, but when he’s on, he can be great (see 2007). The X factor here, though, is how he affects the strong team chemistry the Jets have demonstrated in the past several games.
49ers – Realistically they just added another weapon to an already-solid offense and there’s no need to rush Crabtree in. Also, did not cave into ridiculous demands.
Crabtree – Hurt himself in the short-term. Lost out on four games of pay, preseason experience, team building, and a chance to establish chemistry with Shaun Hill. May not make a difference several years from now if he performs as he is supposed to.
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by Rishi on Oct 7, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Something from GGN
The Jets have made two major trades with the Browns since Eric Mangini took over as head coach in Cleveland. The first was for the pick that turned into Mark Sanchez. The Jets gave up 1st and 2nd round picks, Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam, and Brett Ratliff. In the second, the Jets got Braylon Edwards. Cleveland gave Jason Trusnik, Chansi Stuckey, and 3rd and 5th round picks.
So… If the Jets are found guilty, looks like their earliest pick is the 4th round. Certainly we won’t see a similar penalty of losing a 5th and swapping 3rds.
by Typecast on Oct 7, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Jets
Still have a 1st round pick in 2010. They gave up there own 1st in 2009, not a 1st in 2010.
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by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Yea, for some reason, I just didn’t grasp that… but in that case, this trade just makes the penalty if found guilty that much more severe. A 1st/2nd/4th is whats available and now we just need the NFL to make sure they come to a decision.
by Typecast on Oct 7, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We would rather have a 1st in 2010
We have two 1st already that will cost the team lots of money. Would be better to spread it out to 2010 draft.
by agchee on Oct 7, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow… a 3rd and a 5th round pick?
Mangini isn’t as smart as he seems to believe he is.
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by Rishi on Oct 7, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually that's a good trade for the Browns
A 3rd, which I believe can escalate to a 2nd, and a 5th for 12 games of Braylon Edwards is more than enough. Throw in Stuckey and special teams ace/back-up LB and it’s a very solid return for the Browns. The Jets will look like morons if Edwards bolts for FA after this year.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 7, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Take
The 49ers would never have accused the Jets unless there was some evidence of tampering, that much i know for sure. As i stated before the Crabtree signing should be a non factor in punishing the Jets if proven true. At the least the tampering may have cost the 49ers 5 games with Crabtree and that isn’t something the NFL should take lightly. Tampering with rookies is a precedent i believe the NFL’s brass doesn’t want to become mainstream in the league so i do believe that Goodell will come down hard on them.
These charges if proven true make a mockery of the #1 team building aspect, the NFL draft and spits in the face of league rules. There are no gray lines when it comes to this and unlike tampering with pending free agents this is the first know case regarding this. Goodell has set examples of those in the past. Michael Vick and Dante Stallworth come to mind. Also he penalized the Patriots a 1st round pick for “spygate”
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by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If there is solid proof, the league should murder the Jets on this one and we should get their #1 at the least. There’s almost no comparison between draft picks and potential free agents in terms of the harm tampering can do.
by hammystyle on Oct 7, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Co-incidence? or Greed
Co-incidence?? Yes, it is a Co-incidence that NFL public fan opinion wouldn’t want to accuse anybody (NY Jets) of tampering (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but the timing of Jets trading for a much needed wide-out is certainly amusing nonetheless!
Hey Mr. Commissioner, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and timing.
After all, why would NY Jets even think of tampering with Carptree? They didn’t need another potential great receiver, did they? Jets had no motive! Right! Humm….
O, or maybe, on second thought, they did? That’s why, the B. Edwards deal did place just after the Craptree signing! By then, after the "back door" deal was closed on Agent Parker and his buddy NY Jets General manager Tannenbaun. Parker was not able to pull off another deal like those two when they stole Martin from NE to Jets and Parker broke the Phx Cardinals bank with Fitzgerald’s obscene salary.
“Remember that statement from agent Parker last week that he had a firm offer for $40mil from another team (or two)? Well, that was a confession to tampering – at least one other team made a firm contract offer to Parker during a period when ONLY the 49ers had a right to be negotiating. As a result, the 49ers efforts to make a most fair and reasonable offer from the beginning, the 49ers have for all intends and purposes, have basically paid for a full season, yet lost the services of Mr. Craptree for most if not all of this year! Who pays the price for this?
Mr. Goodell, if you are a strong leader with integrity, you must now send a message and punish NY Jets and suspend Parker from doing business with NFL for at least year! By doing so, you make a statement that property rights for all in NFL draft is the Rule of Law and will be protected and Tampering in any form will not be tolerated. And maybe Mr. Crabtree, you can gain some respectability as new 49ers with your new fans by firing Parker that did not serve your interest well.
by ajp49er on Oct 7, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cost us more
I think it cost us more than 5 games. It’s gonna cost us the year to be honest. He missed 2 practices a day through training camp, and is coming in for 3 practices a week (Wed-Fri) and trying to learn the whole system. It’s gonna take him a LONG time to get up to speed.
by hudd07 on Oct 7, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, we haven’t exactly been running a complex offense. We might as well resort to playground style where the receivers just round around like headless chickens, trying to get open.
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 7, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Crabtree
be punished if he came out as a witness in the tampering case and said, “Yes the Jets did contact me or my agent?”
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not That I Am Aware OF
Unless it was Crabtree who contacted the Jets. And i doubt that was the case, if it were then Eugene Parker would be the one punished. (possible year suspension)
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by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be all we need now
If it is in fact as simple as that, then the Jets may be coughing up a pick or two. Regardless is we receive compensation, which I doubt we will now that he signed, it would still be nice to see them receive a harsh penalty
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him Signing
Means nothing regards to the 49ers receiving compensation nor should it
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by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be too smart
to throw your agent under the bus
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
he might be pretty fed up with Parker – if Parker was the one behind this holdout, I would be pretty angry if I were Crabs – he ended up pretty much holding out all of camp and through 4 games an got basically nothing out of it. Now that the deal is done he has no need for Parker – he could fire him and hire a different agent if he wanted to.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 7, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't buy the conspiracy
I think the timing of the Braylon deal had nothing to do with Crabtree and everything to do with Cle just deciding it was time to get rid of him. The key reason is that Cleveland got bupkus for him, two low picks and two scrubs. There’s no way that deal has been on the table since August, and the Jets were waiting to see what happened with Crabtree before taking it.
Now that doesn’t mean the Jets didn’t tamper, I just don’’t think this is good evidence of that. And if they did, we should hold them to the fire just like nocal81 said. Its huge, and should easily cost them a 1st rounder.
by hammystyle on Oct 7, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know -- it is the Browns. Did you see how awful their draft-day trading was???
According to the Draft Trade Value Chart, they traded the #5 pick for the equivelant of the #10 pick: 1700 pts for 1330 pts — right off the bat.
After pulling off this move, the Jets traded down from the #17 to the #19 for a 6th rounder (31st pick in the 6th round #191 – 15 pts) — when the chart dictates a mid-4th rounder (#110 – 74 pts).
Deciding to pass on Jeremy Maclin, the Browns then traded that pick to Philly for another late 6th rounder — when they should have received a mid-4th rounder.
When it is all said and done, the Browns traded the #5 pick for the #12 pick — simply awful.
At #21, they passed on Percy Harvin and took Alex Mack — a good player but not a major need.
by nickbradley on Oct 7, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how long do you think Mangini lasts? I guess it depends on the ineptitude of the Cleveland front office
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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 7, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
SI called the Mangini hire the worst in Browns History even before he started:
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2009/09/sicom_article_says_eric_mangin.html
by nickbradley on Oct 7, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can someone send me a link
to the Crabtree Press Conference!
by goatfather on Oct 7, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
cool
just realized its on 49ers.com
by goatfather on Oct 7, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stream is terrible
I’ll wait till it’s up later
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 7, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goti It
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree: Eccentric Not Diva
I have a prediction. And I want to use a little priming. When you watch and listen to Crabs see if you notice more of an eccentric vibe. I think he might be some sort of creative genius.
Seriously
by goatfather on Oct 7, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't surprise
me if he were a bit eccentric. He’s a Virgo, they can be a little eccentric at times.
by GeeMunster on Oct 7, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dropping Signs
LOL you remind me of my ex lol. I hate hippies.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re a Capricorn, aren’t you?
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 7, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seconded...
Besides, eccentric and locker room cancer are not mutually exclusive, in fact one may make the other more likely. I have found that many bona fide eccentrics are impossible to do business with or work with. We’ll just have to see how it ends up.
by asleepinSF on Oct 7, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not Greedy to punish the Jets. If they tampered then they should pay for it. They got freaking Braylon Edwards… not a bad consolation prize. Besides, if they go unpunished they’ll just do it again and again. Also, it won’t be the 49ers punishing them, it’ll be the League. The 49ers wouldn’t get any compensation from them, but the Jets should still lose a pick or two, or have a fat financial penalty to pay.
All Crabtree has to do is do better than DBH this year… and he’s only 2 receptions behind him. If not, then he’ll wish he sat out, cuz the fans are gonna be on him for a long time if he doesn’t produce.
by aBulldog on Oct 7, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait to hear the terms of the deal. Not that it affects me at all… I just want to know which side caved more
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 7, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's About time...
Finally, the Niners have a legitimate threat at wide receiver. Let’s just hope that he is not the diva or head job that T.O turned out to be. And if you have been a Niner fan long enough, you will certainly recall Jerry being a bit of a diva at times. But we over looked it because he worked the hardest and was always a team player and in the process became the greatest ever. I hope Crabtree gets together with Jerry. I just watched the press conference and I am sure Crabtree left so quickly to start running up Mt. Singletary.
by NYC N on Oct 7, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eugene Parker already confessed to tampering.
Remember that statement from Crabtree’s agent last week that he had a firm offer for $40mil from another team (or two)? Well, that was a confession to tampering – at least one other team made a firm contract offer to Parker during a period when ONLY the 49ers had a right to be negotiating. Why would he do confess? First of all, because he won’t be punished for it – he’s an agent and only the team doing the tampering is punished. Secondarily, it’s very likely he’s already signed a declaration or affidavit outlining the specifics of the tampering; who called whom and what was said and offered. This would have come out during the 49ers’ internal investigation as they pressured Parker to come clean (or never sign another contract with the 49ers) and provide evidence.
It was the tampering charges and Parker’s confession that made me think he was making a last-gasp desperation negotiating ploy (here’s what he can get from someone else – now match it!) before capitulating because there was now no other viable option before allowing Crabtree to re-enter the draft, which would have been a disaster for him.
So yeah, the tampering charges will go forward and the Jets will be dinged unless Goodell decides to screw the 49ers again because the Jets are in a big media market and he doesn’t want to piss off their fans. The penalty? Loss of their 5th round pick and a swap of draft positions something like their 4th for our 5th, but that’s just a guess. My own opinion is that the Jets’ tampering is far worse than the 49ers-Bears tampering because the 49ers actually lost the services of the player while Briggs never missed a down for the Bears, and that merits a far worse penalty – something like the loss of a 2nd, imho.
by MontanaPass on Oct 7, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In-season trades are pretty rare in the NFL, no?
I can’t remember the last time I heard of one. Though in the interest of full disclosure I must admit I’m not really thinking very hard anymore these days.
by WhiteBuffalo on Oct 7, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Big name trades are rare in the NFL
Whether it’s in season or off season. Mainly due to the cap ramifications of the bonus money left on the player’s contract. Teams are usually only interested in dealing players with little time left on their contracts because the cap penalty will be less severe. Like in this case Edwards is in a contract year so there’s really no penalty for trading him. On the other hand teams are reluctant to trade for players in a contract year because they’d hate to give up draft picks for the player if he decides to hit free agency.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 7, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is like the NFL version of the Giants trading Alderson for Sanchez
compromising the future for an ill-fated attempt at winning now
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 7, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damon Bruce talked about this last night
He brought up the Marty Booker – Adewale Ogunleye trade as the last big name trade he remembered. Kinda funny that it came up considering the timing of the Braylon deal.
by RobbieS on Oct 7, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Roy Williams to Dallas just last season
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 8, 2009 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tampering charges took away leverage that Crabtree and his dumbass agent had to go to another team in next season’s draft. Drafting him just became too radioactive and no team would likely do it w/o a deal in place when the pick was made.
But is sounds as if there was some talk w/ other teams – whether it was instigated by the agent or not, remains to be seen. It wouldn’t be the first time an agent was making up offers from other un-named teams in an attempt to drive up the price.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 7, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the jets should still be charged to the fullest assuming they tampered with crabtree. Im glad he finally signed and its time to get to work, but its a bit strange that they aquired Edwards after the files were charged. They were no longer able to get Crabtree nor did their intrest in Marshall pan out. The jets needed Crabtree and did tamper and show cough up some sort of penalty!
by NinerBread27 on Oct 7, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Co-incidence? or Greed
Co-incidence?? Yes, it is a Co-incidence that NFL public opinion wouldn’t want to accuse anybody (NY Jets) of tampering (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but the timing of Jets trading for a much needed wide-out is certainly amusing nonetheless!
Hey Mr. Commissioner, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and timing.
After all, why would NY Jets even think of tampering with Carptree? They didn’t need another potential great receiver, did they? Had no motive! Right! Humm….
O, or maybe, on second thought, they did? That’s why, the B. Edwards deal did place just after Craptree signing, Then, after the "back door" deal was closed on Agent Parker and his buddy NY Jets General manager Tannenbaun. Parker was not able to pull off another deal like those two when they stole Martin from NE to Jets and Parker broke the Phx Cardinals bank with Fitzgerald’s obscene salary.
“Remember that statement from agent Parker last week that he had a firm offer for $40mil from another team (or two)? Well, that was a confession to tampering – at least one other team made a firm contract offer to Parker during a period when ONLY the 49ers had a right to be negotiating. As a result, the 49ers efforts to make a most fair and reasonable offer from the beginning, have for intends and purposes have basically paid for and lost the services of Mr. Craptree for most if not all of this year!
Mr. Goodell, if you are any leader with integrity, you must now punish NY Jets and suspend Parker from doing business with NFL for at least year! By doing so, you make a statement that property rights for all in NFL draft is the Rule of Law and will be protected and Tampering in any form will not be tolerated. And maybe Mr. Craptree, you can gain some respectabilty as a new 49ers with fans by firing Parker that did not serve your interest well.
by ajp49er on Oct 7, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UP-DATED; COMMISSIONER: INTEGRITY WINS OVER TAMPERING??
Co-incidence?? Yes, it is a Co-incidence that NFL public fan opinion wouldn’t want to accuse anybody (NY Jets) of tampering (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), but the timing of Jets trading for a much needed wide-out is certainly amusing nonetheless!
Hey Mr. Commissioner, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and timing.
After all, why would NY Jets even think of tampering with Carptree? They didn’t need another potential great receiver, did they? Jets had no motive! Right! Humm….
O, or maybe, on second thought, they did? That’s why, the B. Edwards deal did place just after the Craptree signing! By then, after the "back door" deal was closed on Agent Parker and his buddy NY Jets General manager Tannenbaun. Parker was not able to pull off another deal like those two when they stole Martin from NE to Jets and Parker broke the Phx Cardinals bank with Fitzgerald’s obscene salary.
“Remember that statement from agent Parker last week that he had a firm offer for $40mil from another team (or two)? Well, that was a confession to tampering – at least one other team made a firm contract offer to Parker during a period when ONLY the 49ers had a right to be negotiating. As a result, the 49ers efforts to make a most fair and reasonable offer from the beginning, the 49ers have for all intends and purposes, have basically paid for a full season, yet lost the services of Mr. Craptree for most if not all of this year! Who pays the price for this?
Mr. Goodell, if you are a strong leader with integrity, you must now send a message and punish NY Jets and suspend Parker from doing business with NFL for at least year! By doing so, you make a statement that property rights for all in NFL draft is the Rule of Law and will be protected and Tampering in any form will not be tolerated. And maybe Mr. Crabtree, you can gain some respectability as new 49ers with your new fans by firing Parker that did not serve your interest well.
by ajp49er on Oct 7, 2009 6:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
dude, settle down
Please stop posting the same thing over and over again.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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