Michael Crabtree Press Conference @ 11:45am
The press conference is on at 49ers.com and also at csnbayarea.com. This is the 49ers.com link for now.
about 1 month ago
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give updates if you are on here fooch.
csnbayarea died, at least on my end and the 49ers site doesn’t run well when I am on my wireless at work. I want to know what is said. Thanks!
by renke81 on Oct 7, 2009 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
man, way to dress to impress mike
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i like they gave him teh practice jersey with the visa logo
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Updates
The team applied for a roster exemption so he can play after the bye.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
update
Starting with a small role to get him onto the field.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a LOL moment...
… when one of the reports asked about putting their top 10 pick on special teams.
by sfgfan on Oct 7, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sure theres no chancce he plays this week
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
its on csn ba now
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
its a humbling experience!!! love it!!!
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’s finally getting his cash…
by Badly Browned on Oct 7, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
He is definitely an athlete with all the and uhs, and uhs.
by GeeMunster on Oct 7, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow he got some press conference lessons
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
zig here, zag there... hope he eludes dbs as well as he eludes the press
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Coach Sing put that in place.. His first words were
Michael will answerer a few questions then he has to go.. got film to look at.. Right to work..
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 7, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant the way he was giving elusive answers that had nothing to do with the questions. like a pro!!
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Transcript
Anyone know where to fine one?
by niners84 on Oct 7, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
have one in a little bit probably
The 49ers email out transcripts, so hopefully I’ll get this one.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey fooch
what is going on with SB Nation? NN has been acting really strange for me today. After I read a post it still acts like I haven’t. For example when I click back to the home page this thread still says 18 new comments even though I am here now and reading them. I guess what i’m trying to say is it’s not recognizing when I read a post. Is it my computer or the Nation as a whole?
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Oct 7, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
temporary problem
The network tech folks shut that feature off (I think elsewhere around the network as well) b/c it was causing some kind of problem. Should be back on sometime soon.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh ok thanks Fooch
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Oct 7, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that his first press conference? I don’t think i’ve ever seen him speak before…
by Badly Browned on Oct 7, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure...
… he had some sort of press conference/interview in front of a lot of people after he was drafted (i.e. when the 49ers presented their draft picks).
by sfgfan on Oct 7, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked
What I saw. Crabtree gave the right answers, but he seemed happy to finally be signed and looks excited to play.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
by cassusriff on Oct 7, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
his humbling experience quote was priceless
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should've just said.
you know, i left it up to my agent. He thought that this would’ve been the best thing for me. Now I am signed and we are going to play.
by renke81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
For him to admit he was humbled by everything is good. It shows that he wishes it could’ve gone differently. Diva or not, this is a guy who loves to play football and I want to see what he can bring.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
by cassusriff on Oct 7, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but he wasn't really humbled. let's be real. he didn't know what to say!
Don’t get me wrong. He looks like he wants to play and I’m excited to have him.
by renke81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was he supposed to say?
I mean, thats the thing with these press conferences. You gotta go by the script or he will get lambasted. You can tell he’s camera shy.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
by cassusriff on Oct 7, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mc hammer!!! this just gets better and better... can we get hammer on the sidelines for his first game?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your feed is ahead
I’m still watching singletary. Its very laggy.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
by cassusriff on Oct 7, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn .. missed Crabtree
Just got home from work. Watching Sing now. Crabtree already been up judging by the comments from you guys.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah only like 5 questions from the media and then sing took over
by renke81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool - thanks, how did he seem?
Watching Scott M now.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a lot - watching it now ...
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought it was important to note
What Singletary said about Crabtree, “I never heard him say anything, and that’s important.”
Yes, we have to blame crabs for this holdout, but in the end he was probably just listening to his agent and letting him do his job. It all got done, we got an extra year out of it, and Crabs will be playing in 2 weeks. So it’s time to move on and get more excited for this team.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
by cassusriff on Oct 7, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
Potential picks from the jets, our pick and carolina’s pick next year. I mean, this team is only going to get better.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
by cassusriff on Oct 7, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Hill up
On CSNBayArea.com Shaun Hill is talking to the press now.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When
Singeltary spoke, did anyone ask when Crabtree would see playing time? May have missed it
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Said he wouldn't suit up this week ...
… beyond that didn’t want to get into it.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sing did say
that he will start with small roles ( blocking-decoy’s, etc) until he is ready to take on bigger bites.. Kinda what I would expect.. Rember he is a rookie…
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 7, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against Houston
Thats what i got out of it
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My stream has given up
I’ll just follow it here and on Maiocco’s Twitter.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
CSNBayarea stream much better for me
by Badly Browned on Oct 7, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks - that did seem good ...
… for the two seconds I got of an empty podium before it ended! Cheers anyway Badly Browned. How did Hill seem? Did he discuss Crabtree?
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically said that the team is focused on the falcons and he is more concerned with the players on the field at the moment. It was previously stated by the Coach Sing that he would not be playing this week. He did say that things might change during the bye week. He confirmed what everyone was saying, that he’s a hard worker, a football player. So, we just gotta wait now and see how quickly he can pick up Raye’s system.
by Typecast on Oct 7, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D’oh….
Hill was good. Seemed very poised and carried himself well. Basically said that while he looks forward to playing with Crabtree (and not having to answer holdout questions anymore) that he still has his eyes focused on the Falcons game.
by Badly Browned on Oct 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is kind of like an extension of Sing right?
When you listen to Hill speak, it’s obvious how affected he is by Sing, and you can see how Sing loves him. He’s more mature than most players, more like a coach wouldn’t you say?
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Website is weird today
Not sure those new updates took hold
by bignerd on Oct 7, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
comment above
The network (SB Nation as a whole) was struggling earlier today. The tech folks shut off the feature that marks comments as read for now. Should be going later.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Love
That Crabtree said it was a humbling experience. At least he told the truth. Because there is no way in heck that he wasn’t humbled by it. Plus him saying that he is not a number guy, i wonder how true that is, but it was the right thing to say at the right time.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he can put up big numbers in this offense. especially with his YAC ability.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally!!!
Someone who has YAC ability
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Just look at his Yac at Tech. Not just was he a physical receiver when in the open field he just dominated. I look for him to open up the offense in the second half of the season with his abilities. The more playing time he gets the more open our offense will be. Davis is also very good in space, this will open up the running game and dramatically improve our offense as a whole
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope
that the offensive line comes together soon. Do you know if Snyder or Pashos is starting against Atlanta?
by Drew K on Oct 7, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reports From CSN BA
18 Million guaranteed
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#s
Which basically reflects the original offer with the now additional year.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
The 49ers didn’t give in on anything… That is the way to handle a contract negotiation. The 49ers are back people!!!!!
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
read that as “niners are black people”
instead of “niners are back, people”
by wizard5ive on Oct 7, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Amazing what adding an L could do to an otherwise innocent comment LOL
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so calling the 49ers black isn't innocent?
(TOTALLY KIDDING)
by wizard5ive on Oct 7, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great
now can we trade him?
and up rode a camargue horse named Victory, upon the magnificent beast sat a triumphant rider, that rider's name: Noodle Arm.
by jfainsf49 on Oct 7, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
but we are respnsible for the guaranteed 18 million. Why do you want to trade him???
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took that to be a joke
I thought it was funny.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not responsible for that. if we trade him the contract goes to the next team. what are you talking about?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Are Responsible For The
Guaranteed portion of the contract. That is what i am talking about
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we would be responsible if we cut him or restructure. but we arent responsible if we trade him. am i wrong on this? anyone know definitively?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Am Pretty Sure
That the signing team is responsible for the entire amount of the guarantee. I heard this multiple times from NFL insiders when some people mentioned signing then trading him. But i don’t have a definitve answer from the NFL. I am researching that now. Either way he won’t be traded.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course he wont. but its nagging now. hahahaha
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it depends on whether its deemed a signing bonus or not. if the guaranteed part is a signing bonus then they owe it.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Am Pretty Sure
It is catagorized as a partial/total signing bonus.
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we would pay him all of it up front and then it would be counted against the cap split up for the six years.
But I thought it was just guaranteed portion of the salary. so that you cant cut him without having to pay. guess not.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That is why the guaranteed part of Smith’s contract ends this year. So we can release him after the season without any salary cap hit. If we were to release Crabtree after 3 seasons then then we would be responsible for the remaining 9 million guaranteed. I could be wrong though
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are mistaken
The Niners would be on the hook for all his bonus/guaranteed money. And it would all count against the cap next year. So the Niners would have to pay him $18M to watch him play somewhere else and take a $18M cap hit. What would be worth that?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 7, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess
that as part of the trade the Niners could ask for $$ which would offset part of the bonus. But I doubt they should trade him.
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by zenbitz on Oct 7, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
For Jamarcus Russell. We all know Shaun Hill’s noodle arm is the culprit holding back the offense.
ZOMG . . . Jamarcus Russell! Defenses will drop back 25 yards and weez can run da ball.
by bignerd on Oct 7, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BS, his arm is fine (not great), its the O-Line dude...No solid, consistant run game. so we go through the air
until the O-line can open up holes for Gore and Coffee we will be looking for the pass to set up the run..Which sucks because I know there have been many 3rd downs were we wimped and a couple of 4th down situations that Sing would have loved to punch it through on a run but there is no confidence right now.. Crab won’t be able to help with that unless he can block as good or better than VD..
by WC-Ninerhead on Oct 7, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way!
We need Jamarcus, 4.4 YPA is irrefutable evidence that Shaun Hills sucks. If not Jamarcus lets trade Willis straight up for Tom Brady.
by bignerd on Oct 7, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Or his 38 percent completion percentage? Or that Hill has a better QB rating over the first 4 games. Uh oh i am going to get slack for that comment from (unnamed) people.
Oh by the way Michael Crabtree signed on October 7th and still only has 3 less receptions then DHB. LMFAO at the Raiders. Commitment to what?
Playoffs? Playoffs? Playoffs? Your Talking about Playoffs? Yes Sir I am!!!!!!!!!!!
by nocal81 on Oct 7, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can trade him to the jets now!!!!
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Oct 7, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
favorite part
was when a reporter asked as Crabtree was walking away….what kind of role did Hammer play in this? Made me laugh outloud. Loved that everyone was laughing even Sing cracked a little smile.
by hudd07 on Oct 7, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hammer was Copach Sing's era
I bet he’s done a little Superbowl Shuffle to that bad boy in his time.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a nice enough kid...
sure didn’t come off as a diva… also, I will echo those above who said it was telling that Sing stated “I hadn’t heard a thing from Michael.” It goes to show that this whole mess was engineered by his agent.
Glad it’s over. Glad he’s wearing my favorite number. Now I hope he doesn’t go screw it up.
Pete
by StereoPete on Oct 7, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree is now a trending topic on Twitter
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 7, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When Scott McCloughan was asked...
about Hammer…I like how he mentioned how he knows Deion…
McCloughan maybe admitting that Deion did have a part in this…(channeling my Kawakami)
by wizard5ive on Oct 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Disappearing act
Fooch, the promoted FanShots are still doing that disappearing act. I don’t remember if there was an actual reason for this or if it’s just a bug they haven’t fixed.
Basically, the FanShots, if they’re promoted to the front page, disappear from the “FanShots” page and don’t exist in the “Archives” page, either.
by sfgfan on Oct 7, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FanShots
Are you talking about this FanShot in particular? Because when I create them straight to the front page (as I did with this one), it doesn’t show up in the FanShot list. I’ll email our people to see about correcting that.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right.
I think that was the explanation you gave me last time, too. I’m not 100% sure if I’ve seen it lately with a non-Fooch FanShot. Though, it’d be cool to have the ones you create on the FanShot page, too.
by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES or NO question:
Does Crabtree supplant Josh Morgan in the starting lineup at any point this season?
by Florida Danny on Oct 7, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Morgan
I see him ending up in a 3rd receiver role for now…I like the idea of having him on the field along with Bruce and Morgan. Bruce is clearly a “possession receiver type” (big catch week 1 aside). Morgan is still hard to categorize in my mind…is he a deep threat? An all-around threat?
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll record that...
as a “NO.” ;-)
by Florida Danny on Oct 7, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...simpler question:
Does Crabtree start any games this season, either by supplanting one of the current starters or because one (or more) of the WRs ahead of him on the depth chart get injured?
by Florida Danny on Oct 7, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wide Receivers
With next week’s bye week I’m gonna save this post for then, but I definitely plan on doing a rundown of the receivers. I really am curious to see what happens with Brandon Jones and Jason Hill at this point.
I don’t think Crabtree becomes a starter this season, but I see him as a sort of 6th man (to use an NBA comparison). He’ll get a lot of playing time but won’t technically be starting.
by Fooch on Oct 7, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Crabtree becomes a starter this season, but I see him as a sort of 6th man (to use an NBA comparison). He’ll get a lot of playing time but won’t technically be starting.
i agree
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 7, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love
how SIngletary takes control of the press conference.
Awesome.
by mountaindew77 on Oct 7, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he is in practice
and there is no logo on that helmet. Gotta earn it!
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 7, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
gotta love singletary...
saying, “you’re still in training camp buddy” w/ no logo and the tape-on name label, as if he’s a no-name street F/A that the coaches have never heard of. let the hazing begin! i love it.
by Florida Danny on Oct 7, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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