The 49ers RT: Niners Nation looking into the Future
Quick Note: I wrote this article prior to this past weekend's heart breaking loss to the Titans. The fact that we are 3-5 doesn't mean we should give up on the season, and focus on the offseason, I just wanted to get some names out there that we can track through out the remainder of the season.
Things can't get much worse (at RT) in Ninerland with Tony Pashos being out for the season. While Pashos didn't get a lot of time to get comfortable in the offense, it leaves the 49ers with plenty of problems heading forward at the RT position. We get to see just how good Adam Snyder can be in an everyday role from here on out, without someone breathing down his neck for playing time. You can thank Joe Staley's injury for that, as Barry Sims is our starting LT. I'd be much happier discussing the notion of Sims and Snyder rotating at RT than having both guys as our starting OTs. The team may get a chance to see what Alex Boone has, but I think long term wise, Boone is depth at OL and not a future starter.
With two drafts picks in the 2010 first round, the 49ers will likely have a chance to land one of the better OTs in the class. On top of that, there are three potential free agents at RT that could interest the 49ers. It depends on how much of a splash the 49ers want to make, and how well the players will perform through out the remainder of the season. I'm going to take a look at those 3 free agent possibilities, and also run down the Top 6 OT prospects. Also, if you haven't checked out Drew K's fanpost, do so, because he's got the entire draft class ranked. While it may be too early for some to start thinking about next year's draft, it's never too early to track the talent of future 49ers.
I'll be following the three potential Free Agent RTs, as well as the top 6 OT prospects, but I encourage you to do the same. I'm also curious to know if Niners Nation would rather see the team draft the "Right Tackle Of The Future" or sign him via free agency. Again, we've got two first rounders, and I'd love to see an edge rusher come out of that round, but I'll never be unhappy when the team finally decides to spend a draft pick to bolster our LOLine. Spending money on a RT is risky, and there's only one guy I'd really love to see the team sign - in other words, if they don't get him, I'd rather they go address it in the draft.
After the jump Atlanta's Tyson Clabo, Tampa Bay's Jeremy Trueblood and Philadelphia's Winston Justice, followed by a rundown of some of the offensive tackle draft prospects...
Football Outsiders Note:
Adjusted Line Yards (ALY): Statistic which attempts to, even to a small extent, separate the ability of a running back from the ability of the offensive line. Adjusted Line Yards begin as a measure of average rushing yards per play by running backs only, adjusted in the following way:
- 0-4 yards: 100% strength
- 5-10 yards: 50% strength
- 11+ yards: not included
- runs for a loss: 120% strength
Each play is also adjusted based on game situation as well as quality of opponents faced. Adjusted Line Yards can be listed as total or broken down by direction to attempt to isolate ability of specific linemen. [The full explanation is here at FO]
The Free Agent Right Tackles
1. Tyson Clabo, RT, Atlanta Falcons - I wasn't too vocal about it this past offseason, but I wanted Clabo to sign with the 49ers badly. Clabo was a Restricted Free Agent, and I would've been more than happy to see the 49ers give up a draft pick to get a beast RT like Clabo. In Atlanta's power run game offense, this guy is a mauling run blocker and started all 16 games in 2008. Clabo took the job over 5 games into the 2007 season and has 34 career starts at RT after Week 8. On to some rushing stats...
The Falcons run 24% of their run plays to the right side, in Clabo's direction (RT - 13%, RE - 11%). Atlanta's Adjusted Line Yards on the runs to the RT are 4.4 (12th in the NFL); the runs to the RE are 5.66 (4th in the NFL). On the left side of the line (which they run a total of 26%), the LT (15%) averages 3.52 (20th) while the LE (11%) averages 5.35 (7th). In english, The Falcons have greater success running at the right side despite the similar frequency in plays run compared to the left side. The success of runs to LE & RE are a testament to how well the Guards can pull, and how well the Tight Ends can block.
Atlanta also has an 82% power success (3rd) and just a 17% stuffed rate (6th); they have a low 19% 10+ yards plays. This trend indicates that the Falcons rely on their Offensive Line to get the running game going, and don't depend on the RBs to break off bigs to help boster the rush attack. For example, the 49ers have a 37% 10+ yards rate proving that our LOLine is banking on Gore to rip off the runs. In conclusion, the Falcons have a dominant O-Line and the better part of that dominance is in Clabo's direction. While Atlanta is just 17th in the NFL in rush yards per game, it's not because the big RT isn't doing his job.
Bottom Line: Tyson Clabo is a beast and would be a great RTOTF for this franchise. Back a dump truck up to his house in the offseason and pay the guy. Atlanta would be wise to extend this player before the 2010 FA period begins, let's hope they do not. Age: 28, Height: 6'6, Weight: 314
2. Jeremy Trueblood, RT, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - What can I say about Trueblood, who seems to be an underrated RT on an otherwise terrible Buccaneers football team. The Tampa Bay big fella started all 16 games in both 2007 and 2008, and 13 in his 2006 rookie season. His total games started at RT after week 8 now sit at 52, and he's two years younger than Clabo. Trueblood is schedule to be an Unrestricted Free Agent should the Bucs not sign him before the FA period begins in 2010. Let's look at Trueblood's juicy stats...
Tampa runs 20% of their rush attempts to the right side in Trueblood's direction (10% RT, 10% RE). The Bucs have the 4th ranked ALY at RT averaging 5.18, while averaging 1.74 at RE (ranked 30th). To the left side of the line, Tampa Bay runs 19% (11% LT, 8% LE) and has the best ALY to LT at 5.78, but the 30th to LE at 2.69. Despite having the 24th ranked rush offense in yards per game, Tampa has great success running at the tackles, but also lacks the help of a solid blocking Tight End (see: Kellen Winslow).
The Buccaneers do not boast a high power success rate, sitting 22nd in the league at 60%. Their 20% rate of 10+ yard plays has them ranked 12th while a 24% stuffed rate is "good" for 28th in the league. There aren't exact numbers to back up this claim, but the fact that Tampa Bay has the 31st ALY (3.03) in the Middle/Guard direction leads me to believe most of the stuffs aren't coming at the RT or LT's expense. I'm concluding that the Buccaneers are solid at the tackle positions, but need improvement in the interior line (and Kellen Winslow stinks at blocking). In other words, Jeremy Trueblood is worth looking at come FA time in 2010, and certainly worth tracking the rest of way in 2009.
Bottom Line: If/when the Falcons re-up with Clabo, I would have no complaints about seeing Jeremy Trueblood join the 49ers O-Line in 2010. He's durable, he's reliable, and he's huge. I may actually endorse this signing more than Clabo based on contract value, but Clabo is such a mean, angry, mauling beast. Age: 25, Height: 6'8, Weight: 320
3. Winston Justice, RT, Philadelphia Eagles - Justice is on this list because of his smooth transition from LT to RT in 2009. For the better part of 2007 and 2008, Justice was an ineffective LT on the verge of being labelled a bust. The Eagles 2006 draft missed his entire rookie season and never got acclimated to the position as a pro. Enter 2009, where Justice has emerged as a pleasant surpise starting all 7 games at RT for the Eagles. By all appearances, Justice looks the part of an NFL-caliber starting RT. The reflection of Justice in statistics...
Perhaps Justice has been pleasing the Eagles because they only run plays to RT at 7%, but the team runs to RE at 21%; that's 28% that the Eagles team is running in Justice's direction. Comparatively, Philadelpha runs to the left side 28%, the difference being 14% at LT, and 14% at LE. In terms of Adjusted Line Yards, the Eagles are fairly mediocre with a 3.61 average running towards RT (26th), and 3.7 at RE (18th). Plays directed towars the LT are much more effective at 4.61, good for 5th in the league; Philly's LE rate is middle of the pack, averaging 4.08 (16th). Winston Justice isn't the best lineman on the team, but he's certainly not terrible.
The Eagles have the 14th ranked rushing attack in the NFL averaging 115.4 yards per game, quite impressive considering the nagging injury problems that plague Brian Westbrook. Even more impressive is Philadelphia's 83% power success (2nd in the league) combined with a 24% runs of 10+ yards (7th in the league). The Eagles also have the league's 2nd ranked stuffed percentage, which is pretty stellar 14%. While Justice's numbers aren't quite as impressive, it definitely shows that the team's O-Line is successful as whole, thanks in part to Justice's play at RT. If it came down to Justice being a targeted FA acquisition, it would mean both Clabo and Trueblood are off the market.
Bottom Line: If does come down to Justice as a FA target, I think I'd rather have the team address RT in the draft. Not that Justice's play isn't impressive, his 7 total starts at RT (and likely 16 by year's end) don't justify a big FA deal in my opinion. Age: 24, Height: 6'6, Weight: 320
Note: All RB % and ALY stats provided by FootballOutsiders.com; All games started data provided by PFR & CBS; All Team Rushing Date provided by TeamRankings.com; All stats are based on statistics prior to this past weekends games.
The Offensive Tackle Draft Prospects
Note: All due respect to the potential underclassmen, but for the purposes in this list, I'm going with strictly seniors who will be in the 2010 draft undoubtedly. My apologies to Bruce Campbell (Maryland), Bryan Bulaga (Iowa), and Anthony Davis (Rutgers). Click on Scouting Report to get a deeper look at each prospect.
1. Russell Okung, Oklahoma State, Scouting Report - Projected Pick*: Top 5, Projected 40yd Dash*: 5.22, Height*: 6'5 Weight*: 305
The Rundown: Starting LT for the OSU Cowboys, and arguably the top OT prospect in the draft. Some underclassmen could dethrone Okung, but it's likely that the first OL off the board in 2010 will be Okung. The Cowboys have rushed for 20 TDs this season, and QB Zac Robinson has been sacked just 5 times in 228 pass attempts (through 9 games). Texas fans may scream about Okung being a cheapshot artist, but check this video out and see him simply toss Freshman Alex Okafor to the turf (before he takes a crack at Keenan Robinson). Doesn't every lineman need a nasty streak? Yep. The 49ers will likely have to trade up in the draft to get Okung, and Staley would have to move back to RT in such a scenario. Since Okung has very few flaws in his game, the Niners would possibly have to acquire the Number 1 selection (and his talents are much deserving of that slot).
2. Charles Brown, Southern California, Scouting Report - Projected Pick: Top 20, Projected 40yd Dash: 5.06, Height: 6'6 Weight: 296
The Rundown: Another LT prospect, Brown is the starter for the USC Trojans. I think the idea that Brown is a Top 20 pick is certainly debatable, but not far-fetched either. He'll likely have to bulk up when he makes the transition to the pro game as he may be too "svelt" to be an NFL-caliber LT. The Trojans QBs have been sacked 11 times in 225 pass attempts, while the team has rushed for 18 TDs (through 8 games). I found this video on Youtube, that takes a glimpse into Brown's HS coach and the relationship they developed. To say the very least, Brown seems like a professional and off the field issues seem highly unlikely. I can definitely see the 49ers selecting Brown in the late teens, early twenties in the draft, and asking him to make the switch to RT at the next level.
3. Trent Williams, Oklahoma, Scouting Report - Projected Pick: Round 1-2, Projected 40yd Dash: 5.27, Height: 6'5 Weight: 315
The Rundown: While Williams is the starting LT for Oklahoma, it's very likely he'll be a RT for which ever NFL team drafts him. The Sooner had an extremely productive 2008 season, but opted to remain in college for his senior season. In 2008, Williams played RT, which will help him if he has to make the switch back in the pros. The Sooners on the season have rushed for 12 TDs and allowed 7 sacks in 298 pass attempts (through 8 games). One knock on Williams is that he doesn't have enough nastiness when run blocking, which hopefully can be addressed by pro coaches. It's likely that the 49ers would have to reach for Williams in round 1, and not be high enough in Round 2 to have a shot at him (well assuming the 49ers don't fudge the mattress the rest of the way).
4. Ciron Black, Lousiania State, Scouting Report - Projected Pick: Round 2, Projected 40yd Dash: 5.27, Height: 6'5, Weight: 320
The Rundown: Black is the starting LT for the LSU Tigers, but is another prospect that will likely end up as RT in the NFL. He also has the versatility to play guard, which will make him no worse than a second round draft choice in my opinion. Black is a powerful run blocker, but struggles in pass protection at times (sounds like he'll fit right in). The Tigers have allowed QB Jordan Jefferson to be sacked 23 times in 210 pass attempts, and have 12 Rush TDs in nine games thus far. After passing up on Phil Loadholt last year, I'll find it hard to agree with the 49ers passing on Black if he's available when the Niners are on the clock in Round 2. While I love the extra 2010 first rounder, it's time to address RT before the 2011 offseason.
5. Jason Fox, Miami, Scouting Report - Projected Pick: Round 2, Projected 40yd Dash: 5.10, Height: 6'6, Weight: 310
The Rundown: Ok, so the trend stops from being college LT = NFL RT in this case, as Fox is the starting LT for the Hurricanes, and projects as an NFL LT. In fact, Fox has been Miami's starting Left Tackle since his freshman season. Miami's QB Jacory Harris has been sacked 25 times in 264 pass attempts through nine games, and the team has rushed for 15 TDs. Since Fox is likely to be an NFL LT, it would be hard to see the 49ers take him. Should Black be off the board in Round 2, but Fox is ripe for the picking, it would be wise at that point for the 49ers to entertain trade offers. That is, unless the team was absolutely comfortable having Joe Staley move back to RT in order to shift a second round rookie in the starting LT role.
6. Selvish Capers, West Virginia, Scouting Report - Projected Pick: Round 3-4, Projected 40yd Dash: 4.91, Height: 6'6, Weight: 289
The Rundown: Capers is the Mountaineers starting RT, while some scouts envision him as a possible NFL LT. By the time he's drafted and ready to suit up, it's likely he'll remain in his natural position. However, should a team be able to land him in round 4, it's easily a possibility that an NFL team try and convert Capers to LT. The West Virginia spread offense has seen QBs sacked 12 times in 251 pass attempts, while plundering opponents with 21 rushing TDs (9 games). If the Niners haven't addressed offensive tackle by round 3, they'd jump on Capers if he's available, and not bank on him slipping to Round 4. I don't think I can stress enough how important it will be for the team to get a RTOTF before the start of the 2010 season. And for fun (since I couldn't find any other videos), Capers waves a pretty mean flag.
* - projected data provided by WalterFootball.com (as of Oct. 24, 2009); NCAA team stats courtesy of Yahoo!; NOTE: The USC and Oklahoma games were not completed while this article was written.
That wraps up my first take on the 2010 offseason prospects at Right Tackle. While I'd certainly be happy with Tyson Clabo or Jeremy Trueblood coming over via free agency, it could be wiser to have the team draft it's big grinder. I'm wondering what Niners Nation thinks, should we sign a RT or draft a RT? Certainly we need a RT for 2010, there's no denying that (unless your Kool-Aid has cyanide in it).
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IMO...
I would rather have the 49ers pick up some reasonably young O.lineman that could be a main stay for at least 4 years and use those 2 draft picks on a pass rusher and a cover safety.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Nov 10, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this
i agree. Clabo is 28…unless his added experience is well worth his age…i’d rather a guy closer to 25.
by Tre9er on Nov 10, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clabo is 28
but the guy plays with an intense mean streak. Trueblood is 25, but the way Clabo attacks defenders is something that makes up for his “old” age. With Rachal and Clabo each on the right side of the line, Rachal’s play would increase by default. Have you see Harvey Dahl in at RG beside Clabo in Atlanta? They’re both in beast mode.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 10, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
28 isn't too bad for a lineman
We could get another 5 years easy out of him if he stays in shape.
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
and he didn’t take over the RT job until 5 games into 2007, and hasn’t missed a game since. He doesn’t have a lot of miles on his tires, but he’s certainly run more than enough DL over with them.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 10, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With experience at 28, he can be a solid starter. A rookie will have kinks to work out.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Nov 11, 2009 3:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this approach more
I have more faith in the GM/coaching staff on picking and developing a pass rusher and a cover safety than on any OL position.
by dgriot on Nov 10, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We need a cover safety more desperately than we need O-linemen.
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Don’t see how, the O-line is awful.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 11, 2009 4:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our O-lne play has improved
We do need help on the right side, but I’d rather spend a 1st rounder on a top safety. We’re getting burned on pass plays way too often.
by smileyman on Nov 11, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
our O-Line situation is iffy for next season
David Baas is likely to be gone via free agency, as no one really expects him to return as a the starting LG. Tony Pashos is hurt for the remainder of the year, and he’s a FA next year too. If anything the injury improves his chance at re-signing with the 49ers, but is he really a long term RT? I’d like him a lot more as depth, than anything.
Adam Snyder is not a long term option as #1 RT, he’s much better as a reserve. Tony Wragge isn’t a long term option as starting LG, he’s a great guy for depth but thata’s about it.
I’m not saying the team needs to ignore the FS position, but we certainly are going to need a few pieces for the O-Line. I’d like to see an Edge-Rusher and Safety help come in the first round, but that would mean we signed a RT in free agency. Chances are, we will have to rely on the draft to address all of our offseason needs, because of this collective bargaining mess and the lurking possibility of an uncapped season ahead.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 11, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
C. Black FTW
He’s played very well this season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We have been trying to sign a RT for years now… we got a guy who kept getting injured, another one retired, and then another one that got injured.
Anyways, I think they should draft a RT, and also sign one. You can never have enough depth, and the O-line now is so bad, you really need to upgrade it with more than one guy. Some of these draft picks will be 2nd round guys, and the 49ers can sign a veteran, draft a tackle in the 2nd round and develop him for a year, and STILL have both 1st round picks.
One 1st round pick should be used on a Defensive pass rusher for sure…
The other pick remains to be seen, and depends on how well Alex Smith plays the rest of this season. I think there will be depth at QB this year in the draft, and we could probably get a quality QB for the future in the later part of the first round. Sam Bradford’s injury, I assume will scare a lot of people off. Jevan Snead, if he comes out, will have to compete with Tim Tebow and Colt McCoy. Tony Pike, Tim Hiller, Dan LeFevour will be other options as well.
by aBulldog on Nov 10, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i'm almost afraid to say it
but a few more losses that the 49ers should win and it might be time for the nate davis experiement
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Nov 10, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, If the 49ers are out of the playoff race, I think it would be wise to check out Nate Davis in the last couple games of this season. I really liked what I saw in the pre-season… but what I saw, was a very raw talent.
by aBulldog on Nov 10, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i just don't think he's ready yet
but I will say that if we continue to lose @ this rate…letting him have a go at it near the end of the season probably couldn’t hurt.
by Doni S on Nov 10, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely not
I heard he was playing DB on the scout team recently (they didn’t have enough DBs).
MM said Nate hasn’t practiced the 49ers offense since pre-season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DB on the scout team?
Really? Wow… :-)
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 11, 2009 4:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All the QB prospects suck this year. None are better prospects than Nate Davis in 2010.
They can grab a guy in the 4th/5th rounds for fodder if needs be for competition.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 10, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Clausen, Jake Locker, and even the injury-prone Sam Bradford
are probably better prospects than 2010 Nate Davis.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're both wrong.
Clausen is the only close one, but there is NO WAY a rookie Locker or Bradford will even be remotely close to 2nd year Nate Davis.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 11, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You said they weren't better prospects than Davis was
That is completely untrue, and I would bet money that there’s not a single NFL executive that would agree with you.
Could Davis end up being a better pro than Clausen, Locker, or Bradford? Sure. Was he a better prospect than they were? Absolutely no way, and that’s why at least 2 of those guys will probably go top 10 overall if they declare.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 11, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cody
I like the NT Cody from Alabama in round 1 I think he is big enough to help the entire line like the kid on the Chargers, and maybe move Franklin to D End.
I like the FS Berry from Tennessee but he may not be there for us.
I am not sure but Pathos is young and he was part of a Jaguar team the use to run the ball down peoples throats, he may be a beast. I think we should look at drafting a beast at left guard since Baas is a UFA after this season and he has not really panned out. It is strange because he is so big he makes his helmet look TINY but he does not kill em
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Nov 10, 2009 2:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine this kid, 6’ 5 360? i thought he was up to 380, but this kid just wouldn’t be moved, but he’s really a run stopper more than he is a pass rusher
by PiKAgiant on Nov 10, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He lost weight
He sucked really bad early in the season.
He lost some weight and is playing very well now.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, yeah his helmet looks pretty tight. I think the niners should try to sign a RT, or guard…. and maybe Logan Mankins will be available for them…. a guy I wanted them to draft, but the Pats got to him right before we could a few years ago. He MAY come cheaper than one of the RT’s in free agency, and that will allow us to draft a Tackle in the draft.
Also, I’ve heard from some people that they don’t think Franklin will be coming back next year. What do you guys know about that? I think he’s one of the better “unknown” DT’s in the league and it will REALLY suck if we have to replace him, at the same time trying to find a DE.
by aBulldog on Nov 10, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BRUUUCE CAMPBELLLLLLLLL!!!!
Also, everyone can basically forget about FA. With no cap, players under 6 years RFA, you can assume that everyone worth signing is going to get re-signed, tagged, or given a 1st and 3rd matchable tender.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 10, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I left the underclassmen off, just so I could focus on guys I know for sure that will be in April’s Draft.
If 2010 is an uncapped year, and there’s no new CBA, yes, the RFA factor comes into effect. Clabo was an RFA last year, so I think he’s excluded from that clause, because he’s already been an RFA. In other words, I believe it will only apply to those who haven’t reached RFA status yet.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 10, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention teams can do up to 3 franchise tags next year if no cap.
it’ll be slim pickins.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 11, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Campbell is a great OT prospect
There are some injury questions though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but they were both pretty random
an mcl sprain and turf toe. not like he is missing games to do mystery injuries or the dreaded back or shoulder.
by whistlingmountain on Nov 11, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can get one of those RTs with all the cap space we have
and get OJ Atagwe in free agency (possibly cutting Clements along the way), then we’ll have the flexibility of drafting the BPA with our first two pick,s whether its a stud corner that can return kicks, pass rushing OLB, or an OT for depth like Brown or Williams. If we go defense with the 1st two picks, then maybe we go BOL (best o-lineman) with the pick in the second rd (hopefully it will be a low 2nd rd pick!). Then with one of the picks in rounds 3 or 4, maybe we splurge and get one of the QBs that dropped or invest in a speed receiver that can handle both kick returning duties.
by Rep the Bay on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
cutting clements?
I don’t think he has been that bad to get cut off the team. He is still one of the 49ers most talented tackler. He will make good for free safety. Now if you mean cut him because of his huge contract then thats a good reason but I think the 49ers would get him to reconstruct that contract
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Nov 10, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's set to make a lot of money next year
If he’s not going to play like a No. 1 CB, he’s not going to be paid like a No. 1 CB…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Staley
The 49ers have wanted to move him to RT prior to this year, is that correct? In the time since, he has signed an expensive extension. When the 49ers add another dependable tackle, would the 49ers be willing to move Staley to RT, given that they believe the later is more suited to play LT?
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 3:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think he was just a fill in
He took Kwame Harris’ spot on RT. He played all last season at LT.
BTW, the 4th round pick we gave up for him was used by the Patriots to get Randy Moss.
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Staley
played all 16 games at RT in his rookie season, and has been at LT since. I’m not sure if the team plans to move Staley back to RT, but if it means getting a rock solid LT, I think Staley and the team would consider it.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 10, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
Staley is not a very good run-blocker.
And he has played much better at LT the past 1 1/2 years than at RT his rookie season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't Staley be a bad fit at RT though?
Seems to go against his strengths…
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 11, 2009 4:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a better fit at LT
and I say this because the team extended him after they moved him to LT. He’s a better pass blocker than he is run blocker, and he’s got the quick feet (from his track days) to stay in front of edge-rushers on the QB’s blind side.
I really can’t see him make a move back to RT unless the team gets a Top 10 draft pick and takes a beast LT. I’d really like to see the 49ers sign a free agent RT, draft a LG and depth at OL. The first round picks can be spent on Speed Rush and Safety help, or BPA. Or QB. Or NT if Franklin gets a big FA contract elsewhere.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather the 49ers upgrade the offensive line through free agency
Stop with the foolish talk of drafting an offensive linement, let’s get a free agent that’s been productive or at least has been productive and consistently in the lineup.
I think Alex Barron at 6’7 320 of the Rams could be an ideal fit he may just need a change of scenery from such a terrible team. He’s been healthy throughout his career.
There’s Winston Justice of the Philadelphia Eagles.
But, most importantly the 49ers could improve their left tackle position by signing Marcus McNeil from the Charges and at 6’8 335 I like him better than Joe Staley. Heck Staley could move back to right tackle if Mcneil is brought in.
Free agents for defensive tackle that can at least rush the quarterback or at least improve the line, Tony Castillo, Adewale Ogunleye, and Richard Seymour.
Secondary Antonie Bethea, Will Allen, Nick Collins, Cedric Griffin, Sean Jones, Terrance McGee, Darren Sharper, and Antoine Winfield.
Linebacker wise the 49ers need to replace Takeo Spikes sometime in the future so the 49ers could look at Scott Fujita, Elvis Dumervil, Aaron Kampman, Shawne Merriman, Kirk Morrison, DeMeco Ryans, and D.J. Williams.
by Rocky63215 on Nov 10, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
DJ Williams
I like the thought of him being beside Willis inside of a 3-4. Like many of the LBs though, his price tag will be a bit rich aside from Fujita who is getting up there in age.
Kampman is an OLB, so are Dumervil and Merriman so they really wouldn’t be replacing Spikes. DeMeco Ryans and D.J. Williams would likely be out of the price range, and I’m sure Kirk Morrison would get a better deal elsewhere. I think the FO envisioned McKillop as the eventual replacement to Spikes, and the first LB we need to sign is Patrick Willis – to an extension.
I was all about Sean Jones last offseason, and it seems he’s just wasting away in Philly as a reserve. I’d love to see O.J. Atogwe come over and shore up our FS spot over any other guy on that list.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McNeil
If the 49ers are willing to pay him atleast $40 million, I’m sure that they’ll go after him. But they need atleast two more reliable offensive linemen, so that may not happen.
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Staley really so good that you see him as
the left tack of the future for the 49ers?
If we could somehow move up to get Okung, or some other dominant LT in the 1st round, and move Staley to RT, wouldn’t that be preferable and create an environment where our young quarterback would feel, you know, protected…
How would you rank Staley as an LT? Top ten? lower?
(This is an honest question, i am not trying criticize him…)
I love a good cover safety as much as the next guy, but right now I just find myself thinking oline, oline, oline. Maybe I need to expand my prespective…
by zacksf on Nov 10, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like Staley at LT
I think he’ll develop into a very good LT to be honest. Remember he spent all of his rookie season playing at RT. Is he a dominant LT? Not yet. Can he be? I think so. He’s dedicated to the team, and I’m sure he’ll put in the hard work to become better.
I am against getting a hulking LT and moving Staley back to RT? Not at all. We’ve got a decent amount of money tied up in Staley, but certainly money that isn’t premier LT wages. It wouldn’t kill the team to make a move and get a LT, but it depends where our draft picks end up in round 1. It doesn’t look like we’ll get a top 10, but it could change.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 10, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This might be a stupid question, but I wonder if someone can enlighten me
What are the physical charactoristics that would stop a LT switching to RT? I always thought you put your biggest, best pass blocker at LT, and then at RT, you had whoever your next best tackle was.
It seems as if this is wrong – any help?
by bobnothing on Nov 10, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's easier for a LT to go to RT than the other way 'round
Tackle spots also tend to require more skill than guard spots. You have both be bigger and quicker. I always picture a RT as being more of a power guy that you use to run with (traps, sweeps, etc.), and a LT as your finesse guy who’s got to be quick to keep your QBs blindside protected.
The transition from RT to LT doesn’t happen very often. It’s more common for a LT to play on the right side.
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... this is what I thought, but then there was a line in the post above, when talking about Jason Fox, that says
Since Fox is likely to be an NFL LT, it would be hard to see the 49ers take him.
And I was wondering what physical attributes / lack of physical attributes meant that he could cope with LT, but not RT?
I’m obviously missing something here, but I don’t know what…
by bobnothing on Nov 10, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the quote is in reference to the fact that we already have a LT
in Staley, so there’s no need to use a high draft choice to get him. OTOH, if we move Staley to RT it would make sense to grab Fox.
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Fox
is not projected as a top LT in this draft class, he’s second round talent. Generally you don’t move your starting LT to RT in favour of a second rounder. Some exceptions can be made, I’m sure, but I can’t see the Niners doing that in this situation.
If they drafted a big LT in the top 10, I could see it happening (or if they went out and signed a big name LT).
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 10, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bobnothing is saying
If the switch from LT to RT is fairly easy, why couldn’t Fox move to RT instead of Staley?
And while I haven’t seen Fox, I’m guessing the reason is because he’s not a very good run blocker. Then again, neither is Staley…
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 11, 2009 4:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LTs have to have quick feet and are primarily pass-blockers.
RTs need more power and are more “maulers”.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of RT needs
Simms has done a pretty good job for us so far. I wouldn’t be opposed to making him the starting left tackle and moving Staley over to right.
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Trueblood for sure. 50% b/c he is good and 50% for the name.
Bernard, Percy and AP oh my!
by VikesPma on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great post Andrew
Very interesting and insightful. Plus, for the first time i think I have nothing to disagree about! ;-)
Let’s hope Bulaga, Campbell, and Davis declare. That gives the Niners more options in the first and a better chance that one of these guys falls a round farther than they should.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 11, 2009 4:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see Bruce Campbell
get drafted by the 49ers. After all, I’m a huge Evil Dead fan, and I want to get a 49ers shirt that says “Hail to the King, Baby!”
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 11, 2009 5:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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