49ers-Packers: Blah pass rush versus awful pass protection
by David Fucillo on Nov 18, 2009 1:39 PM PST
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PrintThrough nine games the San Francisco 49ers have sacked quarterbacks a grand total of 17 times, good for seventh worst in the NFL. That number doesn't reflect hurries and knock-downs, but most folks will agree the pass rush has been an issue at times for the 49ers. On the other side of the ball, the Green Bay Packers have surrendered a league leading 41 sacks. While again, that number does not reflect quarterbacks pressures and whatnot, it's safe to say the Packers pass protection is pretty awful.
Earlier today, ESPN's Mike Sando and Matt Williamson were discussing pass protection on both sides of the ball for this Sunday's matchup. We've had plenty of discussion about the often lingering ineptitude of the 49ers offensive line, so let's focus this discussion on the 49ers occasionally struggling pass rush.
When asked how the Packers were attempting to decrease the pressure, he said:
They are starting to wise up a little bit by calling fewer 7- and 5-step drops. They are getting it out quicker and their wide receivers are very good after the catch, which is what they were two years ago. Last year, the Packers were very vertical and they cannot do that as much any more. They have everything but the protection.
A quick look at Aaron Rodgers game log shows a player who's only no-sack game was at Cleveland. Even with that one goose-egg, Rodgers is still being sacked 4.5 times per game. The 49ers are averaging just under two sacks a game. So maybe this is the opposite of the irresistible force meets the immovable object? Will the 49ers finally manage a consistent pass rush against the Packers?
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pass rush has been good but inconsistent this season. Although we are nowhere near the top in total sacks that doesn’t tell the entire story. For example Manny Lawson continues to get nice pressure on the QB but that has yet to add up to many sacks. Justin Smith, Aubrayo Franklin, Ray McDonald, Soap, Patrick Willis and now Parys Haralson are also starting to put more pressure on the opposing signal caller. Sacks don’t tell the whole story, if you can force the QB into an early throw on a timing route or an errant decision then sometimes that benefits you more in terms of turnovers and mistakes. I like what i see from the pass rush and the overall defensive scheme and i think it will affect Rodgers come Sunday
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Nov 18, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions
Our d line should have a field day against the packers o line, I mean they make ours look decent lol.
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 18, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
I’ve been more then pleased with the pass rush (and the front 7 overall, and hell the whole defense) despite the lack of sacks, and FO seems to agree (Defensive Line ranked 3rd, 2nd Defense by DVOA etc). QB pressure could certainly be better, but really I’m more interested in seeing how FOs #1 ranked defense (hello GB) is against the bad 49er offense. I’d say that relationship is what is going to be the story for the rest of the season, the 49ers either finding a halfway competent offense (something between the 2 min. drill success and normal success) or not.
it can be annoying
for instance on the last drive for Minnesota…we were getting up field on the rush, but the tackles were pushing us outside and thus keeping us away from Favre. That’s why Lawson couldn’t get to Favre quite in time on that last throw.
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The coach is Mike!
He is doing good with what he has. The future picks will be his if u know what I mean.
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I know what you mean. Interesting suggestion. I like Mike!
I dont know what you mean
if you know what I mean
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Average, not blah
They beat up on bad offensive lines, do so-so against average ones and get stuffed against good offensive lines. Pass rush should be similar to the Arizona game.
Are there rankings anywhere out there comparing teams
in QB pressures and knockdowns? (created and allowed)
More nonsense
Against Arizona opening day the 49ers sacked Kurt Warner 3 times. They rarely blitzed. They pressured Warner constantly throught the game.
The Cards sacked Hill 4 times. They had to blitz on almost every play.
In Peyton Manning’s first 6 games he was sacked 2 times.
2 times in 6 games. That averages out to 1/3 a sack per game.
The 49er’s sacked him 3 times in their game. Essentially, that averages out to 9 times the sacks that SF infilcted on him than his previous opponents.
9 times!
2 in 6 games.
3 in 1 game.
This too, with little blitzing.
7th worst?
Comical.
Look beyond the ‘numbers.’
So you're posting numbers.
That fall into the 17 sack number, and tell us to look past them?
Guess what? We do.
Well, we're waiting....
Well...
It’s a pretty pedantic post that is basically a box score trying to be analysis.
The real problem is the pass rush is generated by scheme, and the 49ers still haven’t a breakout player that is a dominant pass rusher. Blitzing a Top Tier QB with an aerial assault generally means he can burn them if they don’t have a fearsome pass rush. Which the 49ers don’t have.
Well, we're waiting....
7th worst
You’re not reading the context of my statement. They are in fact 7th worst in terms of sacks by their defense. That’s a statistical fact. I did not say they had the seventh worst pass rush. I was just pointing to numbers in a broad context. So I don’t think you need to be calling it nonsense.
by David Fucillo on Nov 18, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Who cares
They have 1 more sack than the Patriots. 3 less than the mighty NY Giants.
The NFL average for sacks this season is 20. They are three short of the NFL average.
In 9 games, that works out to 1/3 a sack per game.
Big deal.
A few short, however, sounds a lot ‘better’ than the 7th worst. And a lot more accurate.
Of the 10 teams that are leading the NFL in passing defense, the 49ers are equal or within one sack of 6 of those teams:
Jets: 16
Panthers: 18
Packers: 18
Patriots: 16
Bears: 18
Bills: 17
That’s right. the 49er’s are equal to or within 1 sack (more or less) of over half the leading pass defenses in the NFL so far in 2009.
Glass half full. Glass half empty.
But...
The 49ers are ranked 29th against the pass. That’s not a leading pass defense.
Well, we're waiting....
The 49ers are 3rd in Run Defense and 1st allowed yp carry
Maybe that why our pass D numbers are so bad?
Didn't say they were
BTW: They’ve already faced Kurt Warner, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre & Jay Cutler this season.
Look at last years passing leaders. Those four are all over the top 10 (usually the top 5).
Perspective, my friend. Perspective.
Well...
They have also faced Hasslebach, Bulger, Vince Young, Schaub, and Ryan (who wasn’t sacked the entire game). The had 4 sacks alone in STL.
What more perspective do I need now?
Well, we're waiting....
Hasslebach
The German twin to Hasselbeck? I thought of David Hasselhoff when I read that.
by David Fucillo on Nov 18, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Again you make no sense
regarding your 6:09 post. You said:
The 49ers are ranked 29th against the pass. That’s not a leading pass defense.
I never said they were. We were talking about sacks, not total pass defense
You need to learn to stay on topic. Sorry. Even though I’m used to your rambling, it doesn make it difficult to have an intelligent conversation.
I am..
In the first 3 games against the NFCW, the 49ers have around 9 sacks. Add 3 against IND? That’s 12. In how many games? 4. How many games played? 9.
They are at 17 total now. If I add the half sacks in STL, they have 5 there.
Sorry if you don’t get this, but throwing the statue of Warner (who was sacked quite a bit over his career) out there just how empty your context was.
Well, we're waiting....
Right drummer (LOL)
They are 3 sacks away from being average in the NFL in 2009.
That’s 1/3 per game. Big Deal!
Kurt Warner (the statue – LOL) was sacked 26 times in 2008.
TWENTY TWO Quarterbacks were sacked MORE than ‘The Statue’ last season.
22! Out of 32 teams.
You make . . . . . . . . NO SENSE!
You amuse me my little friend. Really. However, you make very little sense.
Have you looked up Warner's career in sacks?
Heck, he is one of the most sacked QB’s in the League. I mean, if you wanna throw in Warner, fine. I think everybody here knows he is prone to being sacked. I don’t know where you wanna go with this, but I’ve pretty much spelled out the sacks here. You just fail at recognizing where you have, well, failed to bring an argument.
BTW, both Cutler and Favre are on new teams this season, and it’s pretty obvious that Cutler misses Shananan. So scratch Cutler off of your list of fail here.
I sense another meltdown from you. Better take your blood pressure after reading this:
29th in pass defense. 9 sacks in the NFCW. Hey! They got one in SEA!
Just how did those SEA QB’s rate the season prior?
Well, we're waiting....
One more thing..
AZ are at 15 sacks allowed already this season. Warner took all of them too.
But AZ defense has 25!
Well, we're waiting....
as said above
they have played some very good pass offenses. FO has the 7th in pass defense (and about 14th in Adjusted sack rate)
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They've given up..
over 2,300 yards and have an average of 7.0 per attempt. Those are pretty tangible numbers.
Well, we're waiting....
Does anyone have a clear idea, among the players currently
in the secondary and in nickle and dime packages, who is most likely to step up and be part of a presumably stronger group next year, and who might be playing a more modest role next year (or get cut)?
I am a little unclear on where our future lies in terms of DB’s currently on the roster.
the feeling is
That Spencer and Brown are going to only get better and thus will both be heavily involved in the secondary next year. the reason I don’t say both will start is that we don’t know what’s going to happen with Clements. He has played OK this year and is owed a pretty significant amount of money on his contract next season. I personally think he’d be better off at Free Safety but others believe that’s far-fetched and I don’t blame them. However that’s not a bad problem to have, 3 capable CB’s is good. One for the nickel. Bly will probably be gone, i’m guessing. Hudson is an unknown too. Only plays special teams and though he is good at them…do we want to keep him around for that?
We have young guys back at Safety and Roman is probably done once these guys can handle the load (presumably next year). There is talk of drafting a safety…that would be great if he’s really going to contribute early and be a game changer.
I love Dashon Goldson btw. However I kinda hope if we do draft a Berry or someone that we can move Goldson to Strong. He is a big hitter and I love that.
Just to "borrow" from FO again
Football Outsiders: Defensive Line
The 49ers defensive line is 3rd in Adjusted Line Yards, meaning they rock against the run, and 14th in Pass Protection, with an Adjusted Sack Rate (definition included on linked page) of 6.7%. League average on Adjusted Sack Rate is 6.6%. It’s not something to write home about or cheer about, but not getting enough sacks really isn’t a major problem for the team.
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