Greg Manusky Approval Rating, Week 10
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Nov 19, 2009 8:00 AM PST
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After enough requests, now seemed as good a time as any to roll out a Greg Manusky Approval Rating poll. We don't have a graphic for it yet, but I'll work on that.
For those who didn't know, Football Outsiders posts weekly DVOA ratings for offenses and defenses, and the 49ers are second in the NFL in total defensive DVOA. They stand third against the rush and eighth against the pass. Although there are certain areas where the defense can still improve (namely consistency), the swarming, aggressive nature of the defense seems to have them playing fairly well for the most part.
For this first approval rating, I'm curious what has caused the improvements in the defense? Obviously they've had some tough games, but overall, the defense is better than last season. The 49ers defense was ranked 14th last season when Nolan was fired, and finished the season ranked 18th. They were 20th against the pass and 17th against the run. Fairly middle of the road. In looking at the current depth chart, we've had a couple big changes, but really most of the defense remains the same in terms of personnel. The two biggest changes since day 1 are: 1) Dashon Goldson moving into the starting lineup in place of Mark Roman, and 2) Shawntae Spencer returning to the starting lineup ahead of Dre Bly (and Walt Harris since he was injured). The second change was more recently when Tarell Brown moved into the starting lineup over Nate Clements.
I think those changes have certainly impacted the defense, but enough to sit at the #2 position in all the league? I guess I'm wondering how much credit does Greg Manusky get? Aside from the big name coordinators, you don't hear a lot about your defensive coordinator. The offensive coordinators seem to get significantly more press, and it often seems easier to assess the OC as you're watching the game.
I remember there being some talk about how Manusky was never really completely free under Nolan, and that under Singletary he's been given a lot more latitude to run the defense as he wants. In general it seems like Singletary gets a lot of the credit for positives with the 49ers, while others take the blame. Given the improvements, who (or what) gets the credit for the 49ers general defensive prowess in 2009?
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Rocky
He hates all coordinators.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 19, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
no problem
sorry about the other ones you asked me about – I need to go back and read your email again – things have been a little crazy for me but I’ll see what I can do
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
The goatee is the only thing I don't like about him
Goatees are rarely a good idea, if ever. I don’t mind his sunglasses, but I really disapprove of Sing’s shades. They need to go.
Fooch – any chance of a sunglasses approval rating?
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
The only game where i really had a problem
Was the Titan game, but look, Chris Johnson has been DESTROYING (for lack of a better word) every other team he’s played against, fastest player in the NFL, and that’s what you expect. He’s just the best, but looking at the niners D, they’re more aggressive, and playing with intensity, so i absolutely say yes to Manusky
The D is what is exciting about the team this year.
The O and Special Teams … not so much. Indeed, the O causes “cringe mode” due to the poor quarterback play.
Absolutely
I’m guessing easiest poll yet. As for why the defense has improved, there is something to be said for carryover within a system. Add to that having Spikes in OTAs and training camp, healthier Lawson receiving more playing time, more range at FS, and Spencer being an upgrade over Harris. None seems earth shattering but each little thing combined with players like Willis, Franklin, Smith and Lewis, make the entire unit better.
I have not looked at the stats but would also guess that they spend a little less time on the field per game vs last season, thus less wear and tear on their bodies, and have spent a higher percentage of game time either tied or in the lead.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Without Manusky..
I doubt this team has 4 wins.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 19, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agree
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 19, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
defense is good...
offense is mediocre @ best. i can’t help but wonder how much better we’d be if we had a ‘consistent’ o-line.
game plan that stifled PEYTON MANNING
Just saying.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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only a couple nitpicky things
one was manusky going soft at the end of the minnesota game, but even then it took a perfect throw and an unbelievable catch to beat us. we limited purple jesus well enough that game. the other was him going soft again against chicago, but then again there was a real tickytack defensive holding call on 4th and 10 that game, too.
the defense can’t control 49er offensive turnovers, which is what put us in a hole in most of our losses.
by armchair middle distance runner on Nov 19, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions
Agreed.
I have been absolutely thrilled with the defense this year, so Manusky gets an A+ in my book.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 19, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Who are the 7 people that said no?
If so, did those people only watch the Falcons game? That was hardly Manu’s fault – yep I just gave him a nickname (I’m a Spurs fan you can tell why I’d like that one). The Titans game can be credited to the offense’s turnovers and Chris Johnson’s super human like abilities.
What other DC has held Peyton Manning to 0 TDs this season? None. What other DC has held the Colts to 18 points this season? None. Extend Manusky right effin’ now.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 19, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions
He needs just 2 more players...
a true pass rushing stud, another DB, and move Clements over to Safety, along with that extension. Heck, have 2 pass rush studs, and this could be a perennial Top Ten defense.
Well, we're waiting....
Yeah serioulsy don’t let him leave!! He makes our defense look good.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 19, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Heard a Merril Hoge radio interview yesterday
Where he said in his film study, no team has played with such great zone principles and discipline against Peyton this season as the Niners did. That certainly speaks to the coaching.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Extending doesn’t do anything. Every NFL team releases their coordinators from the contract if another team wants to hire them as a head coach.
Why??? LOL
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 19, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
General curiosity
Always been a unwritten rule to not stand in the way of a promotion. Teams always want to recruit new coaching talent and don’t want to be known as the organization costing their coaches opportunities.
By curiousity I assume you mean courtesy?
If the Niners D performs well again next year I expect Manusky to be offered head coaching positions elsewhere.
Good catch
Yes, spell check doesn’t work if you select the wrong word.
LOL
If he’s around next season and our D does extremely well, I’m ok with him getting a HC gig. I just don’t want him leaving this offseason.
Extending doesn’t necessarily guarantee him leaving for another HC job bignerd, but it may keep his interest out of being a HC for that time. I can’t see him landing a HC job with a contender, but if he sticks around as DC in San Francisco, the 49ers should become contenders. That should be enough to keep him around with an extension, I hope.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 19, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Figuring it out. . .I think?!?
This D is doing a great job. Aside from the Falcons (whom I think we lost to mainly because of a letdown after a lopsided win against the Lambs), we’ve for the most part been in every game. I just wish the D could score a TD on their own every so often so we could have a chance to be on the winning end of a few more of the close ones! :) Let’s face it, we’re not going to exactly be an offensive juggernaut this year, someone’s gotta do it! However, I think after last week Raye may be starting to get on the right track in terms of fashioning the offense to Alex’s strengths. We’ve started to see more of a spread out formation that against the Bears we ran quite a few times with. If we do that enough times with success, I can see defenses stacking the box on a regular basis. That would hopefully open the passing lanes well enough for Alex to do what he does best, which is to throw out of the shotgun. Even with that said, he needs the time to do it! I wouldn’t be surprised if by week 12 or 13 they are running the majority of the plays out of the shotgun/spread. We’ll see how it works this Sunday.
It may not really saying much, but. . .
There might be some evidence that what I’ve said about Raye is true because in the last three weeks the 3rd down efficiency has gone from 20, to 30 to 43%. On third down they would likely be putting Alex in the shotgun the majority of the time.
For the most part I agree
I’m starting to see some nice drives out of the offense. The third down conversion rate has gotten much better. We just need to be able to finish the drives off with points on the board.
Like the "Nedney Factor" people?...
Besides, what are you gonna do? Flame them to Hell?
Well, we're waiting....
See?..
I’m a Manusky supporter, yet you still get your panties in a bunch.
Consider whoever voted No and not posting why is your friend for not ruining even more of your Victoria’s Secret.
Well, we're waiting....
Provoked by none other than.....drum role ******
Who cares?… Do we call out who votes "Yes" in the Raye thread?
Well, we’re waiting….
by drummer on Nov 19, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zzzzzz....
See, the good thing is that if those who did vote no would have Drew K taking bait all day long and calling you all Nazi’s.
He does well with that.
Well, we're waiting....
wow
I didnt realize homer had such long teeth.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 19, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Right...
and you’re a class act…
Click your heals together drummer recite these words 3 times, “there’s no place like home”.
Quit being such a Nancy
difference
I think the difference is the Jimmy Raye yes’s are over 250, while the Manusky No’s are 11. It’s more when it’s so overwhelmingly in favor one.
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Nov 19, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
So we would have to have...
250 posters explaining why they voted yes.
I’d rather not read those explanations.
Well, we're waiting....
Martha Stewart
probably has blogs…maybe you should go there so all opinions will be the same. Of course you would have objections in how one was mixing their hot chocolate packages in to the hot water
no
I’m saying the reason we don’t need that is because a significant chunk is showing support. It’s when you’ve got such a small number like this that explanations would be nice. I’m just curious for reasons.
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Nov 19, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah especially when it’s obvious one guy is doing so much better than the other that it’s almost absurd to say no?? :)
Well ok
There is a talent level disparity, but it’s not THAT huge. You can give the offense just a little more credit that that! hahaha!
FINE
I voted Yes but I’m not losing sleep at night worried about Manusky going some place else. The defense has talent, if another coach had to be brought in they would still be good.
Also, I only give Manusky 50% credit. The big difference is the play of the defensive line. I think a huge part of their improvement was Singletary getting those guys to dedicate themselves to the off season program. Each came into the camp in better shape with more muscle and it’s showed.
That's incredibly debatable
especially when you consider that in the 3-4 the D-line just about HAS to play really well in order for the LB’s to make plays.
We often get push upfield with only 3 or 4 guys rushing too.
Honestly, aside from Willis I’d say the LB’s are underperforming compared to the D-Line.
In certain situations, yes..
But I don’t find them that consistent enough to be dominant. I think the scheme has more to do with their success than as individuals.
Well, we're waiting....
by that thinking then
I’m absolutely right in saying that we can make our offense look great with proper scheming. Which I have been saying for a while now. So let’s hope you’re right. That makes things simple.
I'm with you on the offense..
The change at QB presents more of an issue of that you can have a more dynamic offense, and the adjustment to that is more complicated with a host of new faces that are different than at the beginning of the season.
I’d post more thoughts on this, but my browser keeps bumping lower due to Drew K melting down adding more idiotic posts.
Well, we're waiting....
point being
we can find ways to succeed no matter what the defense is doing, if the protection isn’t great, etc. rather than make excuses.
The offense does have problems..
That are more systemic than what the defense has.
Well, we're waiting....
I'm gonna vote no..
So you can pad your post count of horrid in this thread.
I like to mess with you that way. Brings me back to the good ’ol Shaun Hill days. =)
Well, we're waiting....
I can understand that comment
In my own mind I keep referencing Lawson and Haralson as defensive linemen but yes they are technically linebackers.
Willis has done well again. Spikes has been so-so and his typical injury issues.
I see what you mean though..
Of course, I think the defense should go back to a 4-3, but that’s just me.
Well, we're waiting....
So the guys that voted No haven't revealed themselves?
I’d rather know why they voted no than watch Drew and Drummer throw random insults at each other.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
I agree
but only because there hasn’t been a lot of photos posted, just the homer so far. if they step up the insults with more pictures, I’ll forget people voted “no” in the first place.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 19, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
A Resounding YES!!!
Look at the talent he has. Sure there is Willis, but after that things get a little foggy trying to figure out why the Niners Defense is playing so well. Well, Foggy in San Francisco isnt all that unusual, so Willis is probably 1/4th the reason the Defense is very good. Willis is a tackling machine that just makes any other linebacker at the Pro Bowl look stupid in comparison. Even the great Ray Lewis bows down to Willis! Willis is the best linebacker in our time. We are witnessing one heluva Linebacker every Sunday. He is the reason our defense keeps the Niners in the game. He is the spark plug and the glue. Take Willis out of that lineup and that defense falls APART! Can you say that about anyone else on the “D”? Greg Manusky has done a fine job. But Patrick Willis has really been the difference!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
What about the 2 past years?
We’ve had Willis since 2007.
Yet our Defense was still below average.
I’d like to say that Aubrayo Franklin’s great play has made the biggest difference.
You are right that if Willis is taken out the defense will probably fall apart.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 19, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
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