Packers fan with some questions
What's up 49ers fans? I just wanted to come over here and talk a little bit about Sunday's upcoming game. I actually have a good friend of mine who is a die-hard 49ers fan and we talked a little bit about the game earlier in the week. I have some questions for you guys if you don't mind.
1. I'm really curious about Alex Smith. I know he came in a few weeks ago and threw 3 Td passes but I have heard he has struggled since. My friend who is a 9ers' fan said he has been throwing the ball pretty well but has had some unlucky breaks. What do all you guys think?
2. That defense of yours really impresses me. I've only seen your games against the Vikes and the Bears and in both games your defense looked tremendous. I love the combination of Willis and Spikes in the middle, and I wish we had some hard nosed ILBs. Is there a particular strength of defense? Do you they do better against the run or the pass, or is it pretty balanced?
3. How is your pass rush off of the edges? As you guys probably know, our o-line is very weak, and has given up the majority of our sacks against is to De/Olb's.
4. And last but not least, what do you think the outcome of this weekend's game will be? My 9ers' friend said he thought it would be 24-17 with Gore, Crabtree, and Davis each getting a Td. I personally feel the end result will be a 24-14 win in our favor.
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Welcome to NN, here's my take..
1. Alex Smith has made some good throws but the fact remains he’s got about a 1:1 ratio of bad throws to good throws. His most reccuring theme seems to be throwing the ball too high and staring down receivers. The kid has all the potential in the world but I’m not seeing it realized. All of us 49ers fans know the talented, smart and strong Alex Smith is there somewhere, we just don’t know what it will take to get it to show. A staggering number of 49ers fans are looking at who the quarterback will be next season, which is no show of confidence for Smith.
2. The run defense on the 49ers is superb. The only rusher to do good against the 49ers was Chris Johnson, a player who was literally run down from behind twice by Patrick Willis, and to my knowledge is the only linebacker to do so. The pass defense has some holes with Nate Clements being out but they’re not gaping as Tarell Brown and Shawntae Spencer are solid at CB. The particular strength on the 49ers has to be the defensive line and the ILBs. NT Aubrayo Franklin is a player to watch out for, he’s playing like never before. If the Packers want to beat this D, they’ll need a scheme for Franklin and Justin Smith and a very quick release. I don’t see the Packers gaining very many rushing yards.
3. The numbers are deceiving here. I hate the “morale victory” concept and I guess sometimes looking at pressures as opposed to sacks is a morale victory but the 49ers have been waiting all season, and no disrespect here, for an offensive line like the Packers. Parys Haralson is a great pass rusher, but only has a couple sacks to his name due to offenses scheming for him. Manny Lawson shouldn’t be too much of a threat off the left side to a pocket passer such as Rodgers, the big deal here will be designed blitzes by the ILB, SS and occasionally the OLB as the 49ers defensive line, especially Franklin, fills up some holes nicely.
4. Without trying to sound too cocky, this is the first match I’m 100% confident in my 49ers winning. If you’d care to look back through the archives of NN this season you’ll see that I was even pessimistic towards the St. Louis Rams game. I will be the first to admit right now that I’m basing this 90% off of gut feeling. My gut is just telling me the 49ers play a great game and win. Note, that isn’t to take away from the talent the 49ers have, I think from a talent standpoint I would give the Niners the edge, and make it just about even, maybe in the Packers favor with both Staley and Clements out. 49ers win this with a huge second half performance after the first half is defensive football from both sides. 26-9
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
One other thing to note about question two...
I forgot to mention one weakness in the 49ers D, and it’s not something that really shows on paper—but there’s been a ton of missed tackles in the secondary on some of the slower players. Speed is another issue in everyone but the linebackers.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
by James Brady on Nov 20, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
This is definitely something that will work in our favor. Our wr’s are very good after the catch, especially Jennings and Driver.
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Brown is Faster then Clements
Spencer is no slow poke
And Willis Drops into Coverage on most third downs. He runs fast.
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Yes, Spencer is a slow poke. I could probably outrun him. But yes, Brown is much faster than Clements.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
What I mean is..
He’s slowed considerably, or at least, his game speed is very slow.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
Without trying to sound too cocky, this is the first match I’m 100% confident in my 49ers winning.
Wow, I wish I was that confident. I think the Packers have one of the top QBs in the league who is underrated even despite his sack issues, arguably the best D-line in the league, one of the best cornerbacks in Charles Woodson (interceptions have been known to be a bit of a problem for Alex Smith), a much-criticized O-line that is still quite a bit better than the Niners (for example; while 14% of the Packers pass plays end up in either a sack or interception, this number is still 12% for the Niners. But the Packers convert 43% of their third downs while the Niners convert only 30%. Obviously those two stats aren’t everything but they are key indicators of success for things like an O-line’s pass protection ability)
However, both teams have only one win each against teams with a winning record (no moral victories!), but the Niners have been tested a bit more so far this season by having played five good teams vs. the Packers’ four. And the Packers lot to the Bucs. So who knows.
by Chimneyfish on Nov 20, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Again, it's just.. a gut feeling more than anything.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
But the Packers convert 43% of their third downs while the Niners convert only 30%. Obviously those two stats aren’t everything but they are key indicators of success for things like an O-line’s pass protection ability)
Yeah, while we usually do move the ball well we take a big hit because of our o-line. I can’t tell you how many times we start off getting 3-4 first downs only to have the drive stalled because our o-line gives up a bad sack or gets a penalty.
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks!
The run defense on the 49ers is superb. The only rusher to do good against the 49ers was Chris Johnson, a player who was literally run down from behind twice by Patrick Willis, and to my knowledge is the only linebacker to do so.
Patrick is amazing. I watched him chase down AP in the game against the 49ers and was amazed.
NT Aubrayo Franklin is a player to watch out for, he’s playing like never before. If the Packers want to beat this D, they’ll need a scheme for Franklin and Justin Smith and a very quick release. I don’t see the Packers gaining very many rushing yards.
This scares me a lot. Smith is definitely one of the better 3-4 De’s in the league as Frankiln is Nt’s. I agree totally in saying we won’t rush the ball well. Part of it is because you guys have the best ru defense in the league but another part is because McCarthy (who calls our plays) always gets away from the run.
Thanks for all your answers I really appreciate them!
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
I think Ninjames nailed it
Interestingly enough there are a great many similarities between our two teams.
We both have struggling O-lines. Our O-lines are particularly weak at the RT (you guys started a rookie last week, we’ve got Adam Snyder). We both have QBs with turnover issues—Aaron Rogers fumbles a lot and Alex Smith has been interception prone (though his accuracy has gotten much better).
Roger’s 41 sacks this season is encouraging for our defense. You guys do a pretty good job of moving up and down the field but if you get a sack that’s a drive killer big time. I expect a win here. I think our D is better and I think we have more potent combination with Gore, Davis and Crabtree.
This made me laugh out loud
you guys started a rookie last week, we’ve got Adam Snyder
And then weep a little
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
correction
Aaron Rodgers rarely turns the ball over
by Donald Driver on Nov 20, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I think he has only lost 2 of them though, which is pretty darn good considering how little protection he gets.
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
If you get sacked 41 times and only lose the ball twice
then you’re pretty damn good at protecting the ball
by Donald Driver on Nov 21, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
Not exactly:
That’s not protecting, that’s recovering. A protected ball does not get fumbled. But he is very good at recovering fumbles.
Yeah I was going to mention that
I own Rodgers in fantasy and never have to worry about him throwing INTs or losing fumbles.
I believe he’s only thrown 5 INTs on the year?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Nov 20, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
5 or 6
He’s gotta be getting you MEGA points
by Donald Driver on Nov 21, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
In my league he has the most points of all the Qb’s in the league. And I have him :) and Chris Johnson and Andre Johnson.
by packallday555 on Nov 21, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I have Rodgers and Andre. I could have taken Chris Johnson but I opted for Gore instead, as a Niner fan. I thought Len Dale White would still vulture, but it looks like a bad decision in retrospect.
I do have Ray Rice and Ocho Cinco though.
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
by achiappanza on Nov 27, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
You asked about Alex Smith
He has plenty of physical talent and no natural instincts for the position. He’ll make some great plays and you think he’s finally gotten it. Then he makes his usual slow decision, passes late to his receivers, and looks like a high school kid playing college football. He’ll always be a backup.
Kezarvet
Nah.
He might not end up succeeding, but it’s not because he’s lacking in any innate abilities.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Shhhh.
Careful with your words that contain “nate.” You might set him off.
by sfgfan on Nov 20, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Greetings Packers fan
For once I don’t have to tell you how much I hate seeing Favre and Co. thromp us in Lambeau. Sure, it may be Rodgers and Co. thromping us, but that’s another story entirely. I’ve actually acquired some respect for the Packers in the way they handled the whole Brenda Brett Favre situation, and they have fallen my list of top 3 teams to despise. Anyway, now that that’s out of the way…
1. Alex Smith is neither great nor terrible. He is Alex Smith – he is good at times, he is bad at times. He has a much better athletic skill set than Shaun Hill (or Swan Hill if you prefer), and much better arm strength. The downside is that he tends to throw the INT in more frequency than Hill. He doesn’t take as many sacks as Hill, which can be attributed to jittery feet in the pocket or athleticism. His pocket presence has been improving, but he’s no John Elway.
2. Our defense is pretty solid, more so against the run than the pass. Chris Johnson was the only back to tear us apart. Since he’s superman, it’s expected. Michael Turner faired pretty well against us too, but that Atlanta game was an overall suck fest. The bigger, power backs tend to have greater success at beating us, with CJ being the exception (he is the exception to all). The 49ers don’t have the best secondary in the world, and the safeties are the weak spots. Michael Lewis is a good LB playing SS, but can’t cover the pass. Dashon Goldson tries to lay the wood far too often, and that leads to some hilarious miss-tackles.
3. The stats numbers don’t back it up in the sack column, but the 49ers pass rush off the edge is pretty good. Justin Smith has 28 QB pressures, and 11 QB hits. Parys Haralson has 22 pressures (6 hits), and Manny Lawson has 15 pressures (8 hits). The team doesn’t get a lot of sacks, but at the same time, they can rough up a QB pretty good. Our secondary needs to maintain better coverage so those pressures can turn into more sacks or INTs.
4. I don’t want to make any predictions concerning this game. I feel the 49ers can win the game, but the 49ers I remember of recent years don’t win “winnable” games late in the season when they count most. It will be a serious test for Singletary’s bunch, and this Sunday will prove what the 49ers are truly made of.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 20, 2009 7:14 AM PST reply actions
Thanks
It’s so frustrating watching a player who you know has all the skill and ability in the world not achieve that skill. I personally think Smith will eventually achieve it though. When he came in his situation was a pretty horrible (no disrespect intended). I’m not sure any rookie Qb would have been able to succeed in that situation. But with Gore, Davis, Crabtree, and Morgan (who I think is underrated) he has some good playmakers to take some pressure off of him.
The 49ers don’t have the best secondary in the world, and the safeties are the weak spots. Michael Lewis is a good LB playing SS, but can’t cover the pass. Dashon Goldson tries to lay the wood far too often, and that leads to some hilarious miss-tackles
This is positive for us, and I hope we can take advantae of this. We have a very good young Te in Jermichael Finely who I imagine would be covered by one of your safties as he has Wr type speed. Our coach also seems to love to throw the deep ball so maybe we can get some big plays.
The stats numbers don’t back it up in the sack column, but the 49ers pass rush off the edge is pretty good. Justin Smith has 28 QB pressures, and 11 QB hits. Parys Haralson has 22 pressures (6 hits), and Manny Lawson has 15 pressures (8 hits). The team doesn’t get a lot of sacks, but at the same time, they can rough up a QB pretty good.
This sounds a lot like our team. Kampman has 14 Qb hits which I believe leads the league and Matthews had 5 sacks I believe. But the fact that you guys get good pressure on the Qb certainly doesn’t fair well for us.
Yeah, I kinda feel like this is a winnable game for us too. But much like you said about your team not always winning winnable games, I feel the same about our team. We lose to Tampa Bay who we should have beat by 14 and beat Dallas who many of us felt we should have lost too.
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
1. He’s got all the talent in the world and is still trying to put it all together. His career was really derailed with that shoulder injury two seasons ago right when he seemed to be starting to figure things out. He needs more than 3 games starting the in same system to get comfortable. I think with some continuity he’ll start to get it together. As for right now – he will make some good throws but he tends to make only one read, stare down his receiver, and he throws a little late. His performance this week could go either way.
2. Way better against the run. Our D-Line has been very good this year and obviously the ILBs, especially Willis, are great. I think we have some pretty talented guys in the secondary but with no pass rush to speak of they end up getting burned at least a few times a game.
3. Terrible. Haralson and Lawson have some skills but are not plus pass rushers. We end up getting pressure by collapsing the pocket with our D-Line but very few sacks.
4. If this were at home I’d give the Niners a punchers chance but on the road I think we lose.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Thanks
- worries me a lot. Our o-line barely ever establishes a pocket for Rodgers and I doubt we’ll be able to this week against the likes of Smith and Franklin.
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, the Niner front three is the best in the NFC.
Smith and Franklin get all the hype, but Isaac Sopoaga plays a steady game every week, usually attracting a double team and still forcing them to back up toward the QB. Soap at 330 and Franklin at 317 clog up the running lanes pretty well.
Kezarvet
I just worry about your passing game and your running game late in the game.
Didn’t participate in questions, but I think your pass rush without blitzing is not up to par and with those corners why not blitz. If we pick up those blitzes we can burn you guys deep. Should be a good matchup if it’s not a 7 pt or less game I think the Pack will win, although I used to have hatred for you when Favre was there it has changed a bit, since I wanted to draft Rogers if any QB in 05
"Optimist Prime"
I'll say it over and over Crabtree was not the pick we NEEDED, at least until he scores with 100yds receiving.
I'd be really surprised if they didn't blitz the crap out of Smith
especially on obvious passing downs. I don’t think there will be enough time for plays to develop deep. The question is can Alex make the hot reads. Will the receivers be ready for the quick throws?
Eh
That’s what a lot of us have hoped but he really only has been blitz heavy in our games against the Bears and Cowboys (which were the two games where our defense looked really good.) Like Salty said above the difference maker will likely be whether or not Smith is able to make the hot reads. Romo wasn’t able to last week, and it will be interesting to see if Smith is able too.
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's more that he just tries to do what's working
nothing really worked against the Vikings. However, he knew that the Packers speed on defense could really hurt the Cowboys and Bears mammoth o-lines. Overall, Capers’s play-calling has been effective so I’m not ready to criticize it. Saying that about Capers is completely discounting the fact that he invented the Steelers defense which regularly blitzes five or more.
by Donald Driver on Nov 21, 2009 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
All I did was point out his unique use of the term blitz
That really isn’t a criticism of his ability. It is a bit of a warning sign that the GB PR machine has to orchestrate the story that he has been doing really well because the goal coming into the season was to stop the run.
Eh
I personally don’t think he has done a very good job this year. He was brought in to stop the run and make our defense “unpredictable”. He has accomplished the first objective but the unpredictable part is still definitely a work in progress.
We did a good job of being unpredictable last week and I hope it continues tomorrow but we also looked unpredictable week 1 and then didn’t see that for 9 weeks.
by packallday555 on Nov 21, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
We can win this because of one reason and that is that they don’t have farve anymore LOL
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 20, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions
Packer fan here
And I’ve noticed that there are a lot of posts saying these two teams are alike. I can see the similiarities: the embarassing offensive lines, the great front sevens, the on-and-off running game and the quarterbacks who were taken in the first round of the same draft. However that is where the similiarities end. The Packers have a far superior secondary, far better recievers, and a much better quarterback. The only way the Packers lose this game is on penalties and poor special teams play. This is very possible but I’m still predicting a 24-10 Packer win
Well, I for one am shocked that you think 49ers fans are being generous to their team’s chances. I wouldn’t expect any fan of either team to be much of a homer. I mean, that would be ridiculous!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't just talking about 49ers fans
that being said, my post does make me come off as somewhat of a doucher
by Donald Driver on Nov 21, 2009 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Hey…it’s not may handle. Your choice not mine
What language? What attitude?
I’m just joking just like you there ponchy. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it
Well, its a nickname I have. I think I’m pretty laid back most of the time, but others think I’m salty on line. Language is limited and I try to keep it clean, but I can sound like I have Tourette’s.
Salty you are not nor have you ever been laid back
Evidence: You, a Vikings fan, went all the way to a Niners blog to insult the Packers. Congratulations, you are officially a blowhard.
by Donald Driver on Nov 21, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions
oh man Donald Driver!!
how’s it going man?
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
Pretty good
Watch Inside The Huddle every Sunday at 10:30 Central!!!
by Donald Driver on Nov 21, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
lol well played sir
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
I know these blogs are complex
but you can look at my posting history here. I didn’t just join. You’re not arguing that the 1 second it takes to pull down the menu is “all the way” are you? It is interesting to see what one of the whiniest and delusional fan bases is saying and you know they are a division opponent.
Right on the front page, some Acmeite says the only reason Rodgers is on the ground so much is because the O line is so bad. It happens a lot after 3-4-5 seconds. Mr. Hollywood even does it in the end zone. How stupid is that?
Not sure about the "far superior secondary, far better recievers"
Crabtree and Morgan may be young, and Hill may not be getting PT, but your receivers are far from being far better. And there’s a guy names Vernon Davis who leads our team in Receiving.
The secondary may not be ranked very well, but held Manning to 0 TD’s. They did a great job on Favre… Well almost.
Well if you want to go that route
We have a far superior running back, tight end and our defense actually has elite talent sprinkled throughout instead of those cloak and danger schemes the Packers have been able to get away with so far.
I can tell that I've irked you
Grant=good vs. Gore=very good. However I would say that Jermichal is almost equivalent to Vernon Davis. This is mostly because of Davis’s attitude and Jermichal’s superior potential. However, the “elite talent” business is a bit absurd. The Packers do not run schemes that hide the skill of their players. Okay, you have elite talent sprinkled about your defense. The Packers have elite talent at almost every position on their defense. Nick Barnett, Clay Matthews, Cullen Jenkins, Ryan Pickett/B.J. Raji, Johnny Jolly, Charles Woodson, Al Harris and Nick Collins? They are all either future or former Pro Bowlers. Takeo Spikes is the shit though
by Donald Driver on Nov 21, 2009 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t know if any of them are “elite” talent but they have all been good players, especially Matthews. Raji has been good when he gets time and Jolly usually plays well when he isn’t head butting the opposition.
by packallday555 on Nov 21, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
I love it when we go this route
Not too serious about it but it’s fun. Bonus points for being the 1st poster to call Takeo Spikes {site decorum}. The Takeo Spikes I remember was always {site decorum}. He’s actually been a solid football player as the 49ers instead of his previous self of always bumping his gums with no substance on the field.
You have two great CB and an out of position Aaron Kampman (if he is still good). Nick Barnett is alright, I wouldn’t throw him off my team. The rest of those guys, we will wait and see. Any guy from the Matthews family has promise but this is his 10th game.
The only real disagreement I have
is that I think Barnett was elite talent pre-injury and he’s been getting closer and closer to being back to that level
by Donald Driver on Nov 21, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of which
Do you cheesers actually prefer shutty weather for your home games or is that a myth?
Shaun and Alex ~ A Commitment to Mediocrity
Umm
Some do, some don’t. I think that was more of a preference when we had Favre in the 90s’. Rodgers plays well in the cold but for our offenses sake a dry game is definitely more favorable then a wet one because we’re a pass heavy team.
We all prefer the weather to be cold, as a lot of teams tend to struggle in the cold.
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Back in the day when I played
I loved it when the weather got nasty. I liked getting all wet and muddy and cold. Made me feel like I was working for it.
TWSS!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Haha I didn't!
Being a Qb in Minnesota isn’t always the easiest thing to do.
by packallday555 on Nov 20, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully it's snowing and your passing game is off
You won’t be able to run on us, I don’t think you will. We can however dump of to gore in the bad weather. Grant is too slow for our d
"Optimist Prime"
I'll say it over and over Crabtree was not the pick we NEEDED, at least until he scores with 100yds receiving.
I think they’ll stick him on Crabtree. Crab’s got the youthful speed advantage but Woodson is great at jamming and jumping routes, which could be a problem for a guy like Crabtree.
I’m expecting Nick Barnett to be the one covering VD. For a LB he’s good in pass coverage, but VD has the “strength and speed and being a badass and overall athleticism” advantage.
by Chimneyfish on Nov 21, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Not likely
Woodson will likely be on Davis and Tramon Williams will probably cover Crabtree because of his speed, and I would expect Harris to cover Bruce.
We don’t really use Barnett a whole lot to cover guys, as he is probably our third best LB in terms of coverage behind Chillar and Hawk.
by packallday555 on Nov 21, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions

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