A Brief Note to Jimmy Raye

by timhudson on Nov 2, 2009 9:07 AM PST Comment 30 comments

Stop running the ball up the gut on first down. Just stop it. Please. It's ridiculous. I'd make this post longer, but its really that simple.

And quick note to Mike Singeltary: it's OK to score more than 14 points, it doesn't mean your team is finesse or soft. You don't have to sit on a 3 point lead to prove your toughness. So you too. Just stop it.

Sincerely,

It's really not that complicated

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LOL hahahaha

49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha

by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 2, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think it's time for an Official Jimmy Raye thread.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Nov 2, 2009 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I was actually going to suggest this to Fooch. Thanks for getting in before me.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Jimmy Raye

I’ll get a FanPost together on that later today.

by Fooch on Nov 2, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by renke81 on Nov 2, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I know very little about football so this observation is probably way off base.

It appears to me that they mostly run up the middle because it bunches the defenders and defenders bunched in the middle makes it much easier to pass protect on the passing plays. Not that I’m defending Raye and his inconsistent, reactionary play calling , but I’ll save my comments on him for the FanPost.

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Nov 2, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

the problem with raye’s play calling isn’t that its inconsistent and reactionary. in fact its the opposite. It is so consistent that the worst defensive coordinators can predict his plays with complete precision. If his play calling were reactionary then he would have reacted and stopped doing the run twice- 3rd and long- punt strategy.

by hellaninersfan on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gore runs for a long TD off a delayed draw – Raye runs that same play over and over the rest of the game with little success.
Niners were passing vertically until the interception – Raye stops passing vertically and goes to the dump pass for the next few series. Same exact thing after Crabtree fumbles.
Niners run a very conservative short pass and run offense after getting the lead until they get behind by only 4 points with almost a quarter left, then Raye completely opens up the pass offense mostly abandoning the run.

Hell yes it’s predictable!. It’s also inconsistent and over reactive.

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Nov 2, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It is also

Very Boring!

by CorneliusJ on Nov 2, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the draw play

It doesn’t look like Smith (or Hill when he was in there) really sell the play well at all. You can tell immediately that the draw is on.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 2, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The 49ers passed more on 1st downs

And if you have read Danny’s posts you’ll notice that the 49ers are the worst on 2nd down.

I’m pissed because the offense can’t execute on 2nd down which always puts them in 3rd and long situations.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 2, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Unfortunately

they can’t execute on 1st down which puts them in 2nd and long situations. How many times did we see 2nd and 9, 2nd and 10…? Very frustrating.

The future ain't what it used to be.

by riderless on Nov 2, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They're bad on 2nd down

because so many of their first down plays gain little or no yardage.

by smileyman on Nov 2, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not yesterday.

7 runs, 5 passes on first down against Indy.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Nov 2, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Via MM:

49ers on first downs: 8 rushes for 23 yards; and 17 pass plays (7 of 15 for 76 yards w/ 1 interception and two sacks).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 2, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You do realize I'm talking about JUST yesterday, and not all season?

I’m fairly sure that they didn’t have 25 first downs yesterday.

They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick

by mikev on Nov 2, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Drive Log

1. 1st-10, SF29 14:55 F. Gore rushed up the middle for 6 yard gain
2. 1st-10, SF30 12:02 A. Smith passed to I. Bruce to the right for 6 yard gain
3. 1st-10, SF27 9:32 A. Smith sacked by A. Johnson
4. 1st-10, SF12 3:11 F. Gore rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain
5. 1st-10, SF12 3:11 F. Gore rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain
6. 1st-10, SF30 14:45 F. Gore rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain
7. 1st-10, SF28 10:30 A. Smith incomplete pass to the left
8. 1st-10, SF22 6:22 F. Gore rushed to the left for 2 yard gain
9. 1st-10, SF11 1:44 A. Smith passed to M. Crabtree to the right for 27 yard gain
10. 1st-10, SF38 1:21 A. Smith passed to I. Bruce to the right for 12 yard gain
11. 1st-10, 50 1:16 A. Smith passed to V. Davis to the right for 10 yard gain
12. 1st-10, IND40 0:57 A. Smith incomplete pass to the left
13. 1st-10, IND12 0:43 A. Smith passed to F. Gore to the right for 4 yard gain
14. 1st-10, SF22 9:27 F. Gore rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain
15. 1st-10, SF34 7:32 F. Gore rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
16. 1st-10, SF44 5:28 A. Smith incomplete pass to the left
17. 1st-10, SF20 4:45 F. Gore rushed to the left for 3 yard gain

4th Quarter Drive Logs:
1st-10, SF21 14:47 A. Smith incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, SF21 14:43 A. Smith passed to M. Crabtree to the right for 11 yard gain
1st-10, SF32 14:18 A. Smith passed to I. Bruce to the right for 20 yard gain
1st-10, IND48 13:54 F. Gore rushed up the middle for 7 yard gain
2nd-3, IND41 13:15 G. Coffee rushed up the middle for 8 yard gain
1st-10, IND33 12:37 A. Smith incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, IND33 12:32 A. Smith passed to J. Morgan to the right for 3 yard gain
3rd-7, IND30 12:06 SF committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-12, IND35 11:49 A. Smith sacked by R. Mathis
4th-20, IND43 11:17 A. Lee punt, no return

Drive 2
1st-10, SF6 8:36 IND committed 5 yard penalty
1st-5, SF11 8:17 A. Smith passed to F. Gore to the right for 7 yard gain
1st-10, SF18 7:42 A. Smith sacked by P. Wheeler
2nd-10, SF18 7:08 A. Smith passed to M. Crabtree to the left for 17 yard gain
1st-10, SF35 6:24 A. Smith incomplete pass to the right
2nd-10, SF35 6:19 A. Smith incomplete pass to the left
3rd-10, SF35 6:14 A. Smith sacked by D. Freeney
4th-15, SF30 5:45 A. Lee punt, no return

by Andrew Davidson on Nov 2, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Man, beat me to it...

… while I was trying to count to verify Maiocco’s totals.

by sfgfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

On a side note...

… NFL.com has the 49ers getting 16 first downs on offense, and 12 total possesions, which SHOULD push the total first downs to 28, no? I wonder where NFL.com’s counts went wrong, because I counted the same numbers Maiocco did (ignoring the penalties that negated plays on first down).

by sfgfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

believe it or not

we had a few possessions that had multiple first downs acheived.

I know, it’s hard to believe, since we lead the league in 3-and-outs, but it’s true!

by Andrew Davidson on Nov 2, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny Coffee got like 1 run the whole game and it was longer than all Gore’s first down runs.

If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.

by cybermaldonado on Nov 2, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Seems like we got AWAY from the run at the end

Maybe we need a BALANCED offense instead of ALL run or ALL pass.

by hudd07 on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

we definitely abandoned the run in the 4th quarter

two running plays in the 4th quarter while trailing by just 4 points doesn’t make a lot of sense, especially since both carries were pretty effective.

by Andrew Davidson on Nov 2, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

if only he would listen

If the fans can tell…how come the coaches don’t understand? Unbelievable. Good post here

by theduke85 on Nov 2, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

There's quite a bit of fan overreaction here.

It’s the same attitude that led to people thinking Shaun Hill was a quality QB (because the team won when he started, until it didn’t) and that Vernon was a bust (because he was playing for an O.C. who didn’t like to throw to the TE.

It’s “The offense isn’t producing. It must be the playcalling.”

Take, for example, the claim that Raye is predictable. Well, who would have predicted that we would have run far more than we threw this last game? No one! In another thread, somebody was lambasting him for running on 2nd-and-20 (nevermind that it was a draw) – that’s a predictable play?

The offense came out very differently this week than it had when Hill was the starter. We are throwing the ball much more, and running more routes to wideouts.

I am not crazy about Raye’s playcalling. It seems to take a while to get plays in there. He’s not particularly imaginative, and he seems slow to adjust to what’s happening on the field. I’d give him something in the B/B- range – not anything to get excited about, but nothing that’s losing us games, either.

But he’s also working within the constraints of both his talent – honestly, execution has often seemed like a bigger problem on this team than the playcalls – and of what Sing wants. Sing doesn’t want footballs being slung all over the field.

It’s pretty clear Raye isn’t a great O.C., but, of course, that was obvious from his resume when he was hired.

But I’m reminded off a joke a friend of mine used to make in college: there were two plays a team could run: “The play the works” and “The play that doesn’t work.” Obviously, only an idiot OC would call The Play That Doesn’t Work. I mean, sheesh. Fire the guy and hire someone who’ll cal The Play That Works already. Duh!

by Ronaldinho on Nov 2, 2009 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Watching the game

I could not predict when the team would run, but it wasn’t hard to predict where they would run. And I would like to see a little more deception/miss-direction.

by CorneliusJ on Nov 2, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand that, but ...

Misdirection plays tend to work primarily when your opponent is afraid of the “obvious” play.

A great example of this is the Redskin’s famous counter-gap run. The reason why that play was so effective for that team (Washington 42, Denver 10) was because their o-line was so feared than teams felt they had to commit, hard, to stopping the primary direction of the play. That left them vulnerable to the counter.

When the defensive is blowing up your o-line on straight ahead runs, if you try to run wide, you’re usually going to lose yards. Penetration on the o-line forces the RB BACK and wide, rather than hitting the corner hard, to avoid getting tripped up. If he does manage to avoid getting tripped up, he’s now several yards behind the line of scrimmage with his momentum taking him the wrong way, giving the LBs a lot of time to close the distance.

by Ronaldinho on Nov 2, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs