49ers going forward: Tough losses and "moral victories"
We've heard plenty about how the 49ers are not playing for moral victories. They're going on the field to get notches in the actual win column and to make the playoffs. At this point though, they've notched up just as many "moral victories" if you will, as they have actual victories. If you don't believe in moral victories that's not the case, but if you do, one might argue they've got 3 real victories and 3 "moral" victories (Minnesota, Houston, Indianapolis).
I don't know about you, but I'm getting tired of moral victories. We're still a game away from the halfway point, but given the flood of recent close, tough losses, I thought now was as good a time for this discussion as any. There are an assortment of questions and thoughts, so rather than order this in any particular way, I'll just starting firing away.
Is this team good enough to expect them to get past these moral victories and turn them into real victories. When I was watching the Colts game, even as the 49ers were clinging to their lead, I felt like it was inevitable that Manning and company would turn it on and pull the game out. Once the Colts took the lead, I was expecting at least one more TD from them. And yet the defense stood tall and gave the 49ers offense just about every chance to come back in this game. Should this team be able to pull those games out at this point?
The 49rs got through a rough stretch of the schedule, but they still have tough games left. They host Chicago in two weeks, they head into Green Bay in three weeks, and they get to go to Philly in seven weeks. Obviously Arizona and at Seattle will also be tough games, but I want to stick with those non-division games. Are we going to be staring at more "moral victories?"
After the jump we look at general ways to turn moral victories into actual victories...
I guess in the end, the question is what this team needs to improve upon to start turning those moral Ws into real Ws. There are several ways things can turn around either this year, or simply "in the future":
1. Personnel - This argument would point to not being able to scheme out of a bad offensive line, or simply lacking an "elite" pass rusher. Often times scheming simply cannot overcome that. This argument would go towards adding players via free agency and the draft in 2010. One might argue this is the easiest "fix" of all these. You add enough talented players and maybe even the worst coordinators could look good.
2. Execution - This argument would point to simply not executing on the plays being called. Maybe the players aren't fantastic, but they're making mistakes in execution that simply require understanding things better. One could also argue this is really a problem in personnel and/or coaching. So maybe it's that "gray area."
3. Coaching - This is for the anti-Jimmy Raye crowd. This argument might be that the players may not be fantastic, but the scheming is just all wrong. The coaches are not game-planning to the strengths of their players and the team is suffering accordingly.
In the end it's likely a combination of things because nothing in life is ever so black and white. It also depends in part on each unit of the team. Some units just need better plays called, while others, like the offensive line, could use an infusion of new talent.
So, part of this would involve more of a long term look at getting better, but for the short term, what can the 49ers do to avoid hanging up "moral victories" in Green Bay and Philly? Or is 2009 going to be the year of the moral victory no matter what they do?
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Moral Victories still go in the loss column
But it doesn’t mean that we can’t find things to reassure us for the future in them. How many years has it been since this team would have stood a chance in Peyton Manning’s back yard? How many years since it took a Brett Favre hail mary to beat us?
I look at our record, and I can honestly say we’re about where I thought we would be before the season started. (Although I thought at Arizona would be a loss and Houston would be a win.) So I can’t be too discouraged. I’m seeing progress and it looks like the corpse of Alex Smith may still have some juice left in it.
As to your points, I agree whole-heartedly with all of them. This team is still just a couple years removed from being absolutely putrid. The personell will take time to be replenished… but our roster is much more robust than it once was.
Execution errors plague even the best teams, but the best teams find ways to overcome them. The Niners have to learn to deal with them and reduce their frequency.
There’s a new toughness on the team that the coaching staff has obviously brought on board, now they need to show that they can adapt just as well as the team showed they could.
In the end, I was just excited to finally get to see a 49ers game in its entirety. Although, not enough to want them to play Indy every year just so I can see it in my home market!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 2, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
Is this team good enough to expect them to get past these moral victories and turn them into real victories. When I was watching the Colts game, even as the 49ers were clinging to their lead, I felt like it was inevitable that Manning and company would turn it on and pull the game out. Once the Colts took the lead, I was expecting at least one more TD from them. And yet the defense stood tall and gave the 49ers offense just about every chance to come back in this game. Should this team be able to pull those games out at this point?
When you go into the half leading 14-6 at Indy, and then go scoreless in the second half, that’s a massive failure. The team did not play to win in the second half, whether it’s playcalling or execution or whatever you want to point at. There’s just no excuse for not putting ANY points on the board.
1. Personnel – This argument would point to not being able to scheme out of a bad offensive line, or simply lacking an “elite” pass rusher. Often times scheming simply cannot overcome that. This argument would go towards adding players via free agency and the draft in 2010. One might argue this is the easiest “fix” of all these. You add enough talented players and maybe even the worst coordinators could look good.
Agreed. The trade deadline is gone, and there’s little chance of signing any kind of impact player now. Put the guys in the best position to succeed and hope for the best. This team is still being built, and I think more will be added this offseason.
2. Execution – This argument would point to simply not executing on the plays being called. Maybe the players aren’t fantastic, but they’re making mistakes in execution that simply require understanding things better. One could also argue this is really a problem in personnel and/or coaching. So maybe it’s that “gray area.”
In all, it wasn’t bad. One fumble, one tipped INT, a dropped pass. These things happen.
3. Coaching – This is for the anti-Jimmy Raye crowd. This argument might be that the players may not be fantastic, but the scheming is just all wrong. The coaches are not game-planning to the strengths of their players and the team is suffering accordingly.
I have to agree here. There’s simply no excuse for Vernon Davis to only have 3 receptions or for running up the gut on first down like 80% of the time.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 2, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
1.Personnel- I agree that this is the easiest fix. Next year they will have a solid draft along with hopefully some key FA’s.
2.Execution- You cant execute when the defense memorizes your 1 page playbook
3.Coaching- Is doing a good job except for Jimmy. I guess that makes me anti-Jimmy
Or is 2009 going to be the year of the moral victory no matter what they do?
i think that there will be more moral victories to come, hopefully i’m proven wrong. I see moral victories vs. Chicago and Green Bay. Philly might be straight out nasty. I’m not saying that they cant win these games, I’m just pointing these teams out because the niners have problems with speedy receivers.
Tennessee is another game, that they need to contain Chris Johnson but I’m not too concerned against teams with good running games because the niners have a good run defense. The niners should be fine against the Titans and Jags.
Division games will always be hard fought games, but there’s no reason why the niners can’t sweep the division this year.
Although I think that there will be more moral victories this year, I still think the niners win the division and make the playoffs. Of course, once the playoffs start, anything can happen.
Lets all hope for a strong finish……..
by sundaysfinest on Nov 2, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, more moral victories are coming.
But the team is improving steadily. The offense is going to take a lot of work to figure out the OL, QB, receiver morass. No use firing Raye for the GM’s failure to address the line problems, though.
And the return game—what a crock. This better be a lesson learning fast.
For improvement in moral victory category, I thought the team took a step forward by learning its opponent better, in the Colts. The coaching staff will be have to be obsessed with every game, as if a playoff game, to make the playoffs.
At least these games are moral victories; I remember many a loss the last five years of just hideous, lesson-less, disasters. Getting moral victories is itself a moral victory!
by Vertigo on Nov 2, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i completely agree with this
The coaching staff will be have to be obsessed with every game, as if a playoff game, to make the playoffs.
by sundaysfinest on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea i agree, this will have to be something the coaching staff fixes, and i hope they will, they are so damn close to getting to getting a win the past 3 weeks, but whatever
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
preparation
yes. i like our chances when we have a good game plan. This defense deserves something special for the way they’ve played most of the games thus far. I only hope the offense can catch up.
by Tre9er on Nov 2, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I expected this and yet am frustrated by it
I believe(d) we would go 10-6 and that most all of those losses would be by one score, and that half the wins would be 10 points or less. We’re currently on track for that. I thought we’d be 5-3 at the half way point and with a win over Tennessee, we’ll be one game behind that.
This team is better than last season and is likely getting better efforts from their opponents, as they are not flying under the radar. This means that the blowout losses from last year become close losses, and hopefully some close losses become wins. We’ve already turned around the AZ road loss, and this year’s tight losses in Minnesota & Indy would’ve been blowouts last season, such as the games in NY & Dallas. So we’re better yet still not good enough.
The larger reasons are easy: we don’t have that one playmaker at pass-rusher. The guy who makes that one game changing play. We also have not had that on offense, but the presence of Crabtree may change that going forward.
Smaller reasons: we keep making that one mistake that turns a game against us and we’re not good enough to recover from that against the top teams. A muffed punt and blown coverage in Houston. Fumble and tipped INT in Indy, though the bigger mistake was the celebration penalty that made it easy for Indy to get in FG range.
It’s not one play or player. Or even one coach. But good teams, even with mistakes, make that one play. A sack. An INT. A third down conversion. A great call or catch. Some of those plays have been there: Bly’s dropped INT vs Favre. Even his dropped INT early yesterday. We’re not making them and because we lack a game changers, we can’t let the opportunities that happen go by since we only create so many.
Going forward this season, I’m a believer that the lucky 50/50 plays and ref calls even out over a full season if you keep playing hard. We lost a muffed punt in the sun but couldn’t recover it when the Colts did. Our QBs tipped passes are bing INT but we’re dropping the ones we get our hands on. This will even out if the guys keep playing as they are.
All that said, I’m quite tired of moral victories and having our loss counted as some end of the day highlight because teh big-boy team still won. I want us to finish what we start and be the story of the day because we won.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 2, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ron Wolfley
Is a former NFL player ( a crazy, kamikaze ST’s player) who is currently a Cardinal broadcaster.
He’s a complete Cardinal homer but a very intelligent and well respected guy (he often appears on ‘Mike & Mike’)..
A) When the 49ers beat Arizona in the opener, he was effusive in his praise of the 49ers, saying that the difference in the game was that the 49ers ‘outphysicalled’ the Cardinals.
B). This morning he again went crazy about the 49ers. He said that their defense played Manning BETTER than any team (I don’t know if he said ‘this year’ or ’ever) he had seen.
He said that the Colts had no uncontested passes and couldn’t praise the 49ers defense enough.
Just relayin’.
by GeoMak on Nov 2, 2009 11:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
no uncontested passes?
Do you mean passes where defenders weren’t covering the receiver? Because I don’t really know if that’s an accurate comment by Wolfley. I guess it depends on the context of what he meant by “uncontested.”
by Fooch on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
When he said that I thought the same thing.
But I think we know what he meant. Except for a few, almost all were ‘well’ contested.
I allowed him some ‘poetic license’ there.
The fact of the matter is few teams have held Manning with out a TD pass or have frustrated him as much as did the 49ers yesterday.
I’m sure even the most negative 49er fans would have to agree with that.
Wolfley did say that he watched almost the entire game (before the Cardinal game).
And he does know what he’s talking about.
by GeoMak on Nov 2, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For all the "We have no pass rush" talk ...
… we got three sacks yesterday against a QB who’s be very hard to sack this year.
by Ronaldinho on Nov 2, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We got a pass rush against the most protected qb in footabll with 4 guys
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 2, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moral Victories Label is a complete Mischaracterization
There’s no such thing as a moral victory. This is what losing teams (fans) say to justify the need for improvement. We’ve seen vast improvement, we’ve seen adjustments being made, we’ve seen the defense show up at times and play great, we’ve seen them out to lunch. This team has not been able to put it all together in one cohesive package like we see the better teams be able to do week in and week out.
Put things in to perspective. We have a relatively new coaches and a new system, new QB. Yeah I expect them to win and I think that Sing is a good coach, but it’s going to take a while to get all the working pieces in order. Moral Victories is just a poor simplistic label for the adolescence that this team is experiencing.
by brewitt on Nov 2, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I will accept yesterday as a moral victory
However, i think we’ve used all of our moral victories up this year and we can only get better and learn from our mistakes. If not, then we become what we consistantly do: Fail. We are at a point where we must hold ourselves accountable for every decision after today. If we cant figure it all out now then the personell have failed, even Singletary. Keep in mind I am highly optimistic for the rest of the year and I have faith we will still win the division
by dalien82 on Nov 2, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
we have talent. sure you always need/want to get more talent so we will surely do that in the offseason. you want to be as talented as you can be.
it takes time for it to come together. we’re making progress for sure. progress is key. Sing is saying that right now in his presser that i’m listening to. I wont evaluate coaching until there is an entire season body-of-work to evaluate.
I think our guys are trying hard, most of them, and they are getting better.
I would have to say I get a little annoyed at the lack of any risks on both sides of the ball at times. We need to play to win. The bend dont break coverage Sunday was great to stay in the game but on the last drive we needed to stonewall the Colts and get the ball back. We let them get first downs and run out the clock, up only 4 points.
Offensively we need to pick our spots and take them. Just throwing the deep ball even if incomplete forces defenses to have to play deep enough to keep WR’s honest. with our receivers, they will catch some of them too.
by Tre9er on Nov 2, 2009 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A moral victory is a loss that you should've won
Plain and simple.
This team lacks the killer instinct. We failed to put away the Vikings. We failed to put away the Colts. We had a chance in Houston and let it slip away.
I still think we’ll end up 10-6. At the beginning of the year I predicted that we would at worst go 9-7, and at best be 11-5 and we’re still on pace for that. A 10-6 season might still put us in the playoff picture. An 11-5 season will for sure, and a 9-7 season almost certainly not.
We’ve got to get that killer instinct developed if we’re going to be a championship team.
by smileyman on Nov 2, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We are getting better?
If we all are going to have to listen to Singletary say we are getting better then we all should get ready for the 2013 season. We go now 4 weeks on……..what? No momentum. ?Unforgiving pentalies. Mediocre QB play. Poor Oline play. We are getting better…..better at making excuses for poor execution. 8-8 at best 2nd in the division. Sorry to watch this again.
by zonedogs on Nov 2, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so in your opinion who is it you want to see as Head Coach, that is actually a possibility, because i’m sorry, i like Singletary as head coach, and judging him on one full season is just not what i’m prepared to do. In my opinion, he’s going to be judged over the next 5 games, because this team needs to win the rest of their home games, no exception
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
win loss
there is no judging going on. wins are wins and losses are losses. coaches,players,admin,cheerleaders,haters,lovers. you have to win……no excuses.
by zonedogs on Nov 2, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You play to win the game… nah i understand it, i really am getting sick and tired of the “moral victory” thing too, plus, as a Bay Area fan, i’m really struggling, after not seeing a championship since the niners in 1995, i’m getting anxious and can’t stand all the losing and crap that comes with it, and look, would we sit here and say “oh that was a moral victory” if the niners were, like 5-2? so say the niners were 5-1 going into week 8, and then they lose, making it 5-2, would there be such a thing as a “moral victory”? Not sure if this makes sense…
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No victories unless you win. Let’s say we were down 16 points with 4 minutes to go and won. The other team lost…..simple as that…….are we the in the BCS system now as fans? More total offense Better Defense and they still lost…….that is BS……..get off the Fantasy teams and start posting results.
by zonedogs on Nov 2, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, so basically what i mentioned in just win, all that matters is the win or loss, doesnt matter if you make a valiant come back or what, it’s the win or the loss that matters most. And over the past 7 years, there’s been a good amount of losses with this niner team
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly……we need winners….not build a winner program. Singletary is the real deal, but we need to get the victory. 11 on 11 win every play every down. I hate the we’re getting there mentality…..we should already be there.
by zonedogs on Nov 2, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ha, this is just like how warriors fans feel dude, WE’RE ALMOST THERE, and then the wheels fall off. It’s really getting old, and you know, thing is, the team played better and is playing better than that game coming off the bye. So last element is finishing the damn game, and you’re right, we should be there already, and now the team’s gotta deal with injuries, and they probably will, they did that yesterday on D, but now they come home and play 2, then in Jax
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its almost like the old saying…“tryers try…..doers do”
by zonedogs on Nov 2, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t the niners mentality kinda like that? DOERS DO?
by PiKAgiant on Nov 2, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is progress
We need to see ourselves in proper size in relation to the rest of the league. We WILL get better
by dalien82 on Nov 2, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moral Victories = Growing Pains
Are a hard pill to swallow and have been given three so far this season. As pointed out above, moral victories are still better than beat downs which has been the M.O. for better part of the decade. At least moral victories indicate winning is just around the corner. Having two SB contenders in the Vikings on Colts on the mat in their own home is a good sign, even if they did let them up. Unfortunately these developments are part of process. All the great 49ers teams of the 80’s suffered seasons filled with moral losses, 1980, 1984 and 1988 (although the team turned it around and won the SB that season).
by bignerd on Nov 2, 2009 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't get moral victories either
Then again, I don’t entirely get the anti Jimmy Raye stuff.
Why was Indy a moral victory? I am always conscious that other people on this site know more than me about the game – one of the reasons I love this site is because I can ask questions like this and get a sensible answer – but I do not get it. We restricted Peyton to no TD passes – is that it? Surely we just lost to a team who scored as many TDs as we did, whoever threw the pass, got down the field enough times to kick a few field goals, and used a defense which is not as vaunted as their offense to restrict us? That’s just a plain old victory for them isn’t it? I am not arguing, I just don’t see the moral victory stuff unless the refs have cheated you out of something, or another reason outside of either team’s control.
I am not really understanding the Raye stuff either. He’s slammed for run first, being stubborn, not willing to change things, so they change the QB, change the system, pass more than they run on first down, and still he’s the wrong guy? Maybe he just doesn’t have the players? Because Sing and Raye inherited a bad team and need a season or two to make it better? Didn’t just about everyone say Alex Smith’s problem before was seven OCs in seven years? We don’t want to make that eight in eight surely?
I think we’ll beat Tennessee and Chicago and things will look a little brighter then, and I’m keeping the faith. But, like I say, I could be wrong!
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by LondonNiner on Nov 2, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you're wrong
Perhaps the distance is giving you better perspective, so you’re not regurgitating what people on TV and sports sites say.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 2, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moral victories
are really dangerous for a team, but almost essential for fans.
Can you imagine how hard it would be as a fan, someone who really in no possible way can affect the outcome of anything relating to the team you care about, short of providing 1/60,000th of noise at a stadium, if you couldn’t have moral victories?
Moral victories allow us to get up on Monday morning and try to remain optimistic about the following week and remainder of the season. They allow us to pick out cornerstones and foundations that we hope to see the team build upon. They allow us to stay sane.
However, for players to accept moral victories is very dangerous because you run the risk of becoming complacent and reassuring yourself too often after a moral victory can lead it to feel like a real victory over time.
Being a coach makes you fall somewhere in the middle because, like a player, you can’t get complacent, however, unlike a fan, you are in the position to impact the team and need to be able to step back and figure out what went right in a loss and then find a way to make that happen the next week, to find ways to grow your team. That’s why Singletary should be lauded for publicly claiming he doesn’t believe in moral victories, it sends the right message to the team.
by foosball4949 on Nov 2, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
From a semantics standpoint
I also think moral victories have become misapplied or a misnomer. They’re really morale victories, something you can still feel ok or good about even though it was a technical loss.
To me, a moral victory is technically a situation where taking the highroad led to the loss of something desired but was the right think to do.
I think Sando puts it right when he pulls out the “silver lining” for every NFC West losing team, that’s the correct term.
Or maybe I’m crazy…
by foosball4949 on Nov 2, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Morale victories makes much more sense
That’s a good observation. It doesn’t make you crazy. Replying to your own point? That’s kinda crazy ;)
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by LondonNiner on Nov 2, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like that
morale victories. That’s good.
by smileyman on Nov 2, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the 49ers problem is very simple
They want to control the clock and play keep away when they have the lead, and they cannot.
There could be many reasons for this, but I think fundamentally is that the coaches believe the team is better than it actually is. They trust their defense to ALWAYS make stops, and they want to run the ball to eat the clock and reduce turnovers. The defense is not good enough to shut out teams\* and they have to open up the offense and risk some INTs to get first downs.
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by zenbitz on Nov 2, 2009 3:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm still waiting for an out of division victory
I really hope it comes this week…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 2, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wasted
I have wasted a lot of time on Moral victories……try 3.5 hours times 7,12,9,7 losses in the last 4 years…= 123 hours of moral……bull crap. Play to your potential and play to win…….win anything else is a loss…. get out of the clouds and on the field. the fantasy system has got most thinking we are getting better……….lets win. We currently have a losing record. Playoffs……Playoffs? Jim Mora said it best(game we won.btw) we have to just find a way to win the game. i am sick of it
by zonedogs on Nov 2, 2009 3:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One quibble
And yet the defense stood tall and gave the 49ers offense just about every chance to come back in this game.
Umm… in the two drives after the TD, the Niners D gave up 102 yards on 16 plays in two drives that ate up 8:15 of the final 11:17. That’s not even close to “giving the offense just about every chance…” They ALMOST made a few stops on that last drive, but couldn’t stop the Colts on two key 3rd downs. Sure, the offense failed at the end too, but let’s call a spade a spade. The D didn’t get Manning & co. off the field when they needed to, just like the O didn’t punch the ball in in the second half, like they needed to.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 2, 2009 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Keep your faith
I am from Texas and now a 49 fan cause I think Mike S. is incredible. We will win a Super Bowl with Mike S. as coach. I’m also a Baylor guy and our board was nuts to pass on hiring him twice. Great head coaches are not usually great coordinates (watch Ryan at the Jets flame out in three years), see Wade Phillips and Norv Turner.
Head Coaching is about leadership and we probably have the best in the league right now except for that NE jerk guy, but he wins.
We are competitive, and will continue to be more so. I see us 9-7 at worst, 10-6 at best. It will all come down to beating Arizona to make the playoffs.’
I think we win the next two, lose at GB. Smith is for real, and the only other loss is possibly Philly but they can run hot and cold.
by Desperado18 on Nov 2, 2009 5:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
rant
Here goes. I am sick and tired of watching us lose. We have talent. We have overpaid athletes. We have good coaching. What we don’t have is a winning record. We are not an offensive team. We have a false sense of hope. Hope is not a Game Plan. We need to find out how to win. Bury teams and threaten others. Full scale.
Winning is a process and a driven synergy. I am a fan that does not believe in Moral anything. You win or you lose. Kinda Win>? Kinda Lose.? BS. You give the gameball to the winning team.
Playoffs? Please………..what if the playoffs start next week…..what are we gonna say? We are getting better. ARGGGH.
Show me something players. You have a great coach, a great fanbase. Now win. Not kinda. Not sorta………
WIN
I am gonna keep watching…….but you better put a winning streak together.
by zonedogs on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If you watch and play sports
there is so much more to sports than just winning.
1 team wins it in the end of every season, all the other teams aren’t expected to win the championship, and only half are expceted to have a chance at making the playoffs. I would rather be a team that almost makes it, then a team that doesn’t make it completely.
So I am not gonna put down morale victories, especially if you are a team that is not expected to win every game.
Yankees need to win the championship, every single year because they are expected to and they don’t need any lessons.
We’re 3-4, and looking on our way up, unlike previous several seasons and not the same if we would have been like 1-6 this season. I’m not saying that the 49ers shouldn’t be a team that is expected to win every game, because we’re not quite there yet, but we may be half a season away if everything starts clicking, or we may be 1 season away. But I’m only trying to say here in general that you can take positives with you besides just wins.
by fortyniners on Nov 2, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chicago
will be the first true barometer game. It’s no shame to lose at elite teams like Indy and Minnesota, or at upcoming teams like Houston. The Atlanta game was an embarrassment but offset by the road win at Arizona. Chicago will tell us who we are.
Oh, if we lose to Tennessee, time to hit the panic button.
by monophonik on Nov 2, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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