Packers 30 - 49ers 24: A tale of two offenses

Seriously, I don’t know what to think about this team.

I’m pretty sure it was intended for Walker, who took a TERRIBLE route.

we ran out of the shotgun effectively last week. I don’t see why running the shotgun spread precludes the possibility of a run except on direct snaps.

but can a spread-style shotgun offense be effective for 4 quarters? I guess one answer to that is: might as well try it.

Didn’t they try this against the Titans? Alex threw a bunch of INT that game, but I think they were kinda fluky, and also that was his first start.

…on BOTH coordinators. Raye’s game plan was again the opposite of what it should be, opening with more runs than passes to open the game. This again forced us to pass more late in the game, which is exactly what we do NOT want to be doing. For the first time, I also felt some frustration with Manusky, too. It seemed fairly obvious Green Bay was passing every third down, yet we couldn’t seem to stop them.

is truly garbage. Both first round draft picks need to be spent on the OL, I don’t care if we need a play-maker in the secondary or an edge rusher. We need OL first, and both 1st round picks (which seem more and more likely to be back-to-back) need to address OT and OG.

I’m sick of this crap excuse of an offensive line.

Michael Crabtree made a couple incredible grabs, and VD made a few tough catches after good hits. Josh Morgan had a 76-yard kick return! All of these late game plays were spoiled because the defense was exhausted at the end of the game. Why were they so tired? Look at the T.O.P. from the first half, and you’ll find your answer. It’s hard to blame a defense for breaking, when the team’s offense kept it off the field for 18:21 through out the entire game.

what happened to the offense in the 4th quarter? Were there better plays being called or was Alex actually executing some of the same plays from earlier?

Can we extrapolate anything tangible to use going forward or is it just that this team needs a fire lit under it’s arse in order to move the damn ball on offense?

I mean sure the defense gave up the game anyway, but what was the point in challenging the spot? That TO lost effectively ended the game.

Please don’t get me started about the absolutely idiotic way that nearly 4 minutes of game time can be burned off the clock at the end of the game by basically running 3 plays. Still hate that about football.

and the redzone throws in the middle to VDiddy is working. I think we’ll get back on track next week

I’ve watched them get away with this the last few games but they no longer swarm to the ball. Seems like the other 10 guys just expect Willis to make the tackle every time. It’s a big problem on the screen passes too. The defense line doesn’t even try to get into the play.

break down the entire play of the INT? I didn’t see it replayed and don’t have the game DVR’d.

this team needs to take chances earlier on. play to win early. if we’re going to lose, at least let’s take our shots.

is it the players, or the defensive playcalling? We were super porous today. I’m so tired of being known for poor secondary

had a steady stream of people stopping by to look at a bunch of power tools i’m selling on craigslist so I didn’t get to finish watching the game.

making easy money > watching the 49ers lose

First half: after they went down 6-3, in Raye’s remaining 11 plays he ran 9 passes and 2 runs. Three of those pass plays resulted in sacks. We got manhandled on the O-Line on passing plays but those two run plays went for 4 yards and 6 yards, and our first drive, which went for points, was all runs.

Bottom line is, earlier in the game, we should have handed the ball off to Gore more, which would have helped us get some first downs and control the ball (which ties it in with the defensive performance). This one-dimensional passing attack (as long as it’s not out of the shotgun, as Viliphied noted) really doesn’t work in the 2nd-4th drives of the game.

I was very optimistic about the LOLfensive line. I spouted phrases about continuity. Well, these guys have been playing together for a while now. Maybe it’s just time to accept that there isn’t as much talent in the line as some of us thought.

Joe Staley is solid, but that’s about it, nothing exceptional. Heitman, solid again, nothing exceptional. Baas, along with Rachal I always seem to see one of them on their faces when some DLineman is penetrating to stuff the run. Snyder, I’ll give a break to, he’s been moved around a lot.

I’m with a lot of people here that tackle needs to be a key point to address in the offseason, but I’m not sure that anybody’s spot on that line should be safe. I would peg that position as the weakest unit of the 49ers, and needs to be addressed accordingly. Hopefully next season starts with more than one new face on the line.

is 28th in carries on the year.

Some guys to note who are ahead of him are:

Cadillac Williams (RBBC, missed some time)
Fred Jackson (not even a starter anymore)

When you have a stud RB like Gore…108 carries through 10 games just isn’t going to cut it. He realistically played considerable time in 7 games. That averages out to 15 per game.

I don’t think the problem is Raye, so much as it’s Singletary’s strategic decision to play smash-mouth football.

The NFL game is opening up. Lots of teams run misdirections on short-yardage plays now, rather than just try to ram it home, because defenses have gotten too big and strong. That’s what we saw on the first possession third-and-inches: the defense got the push, and it was all over.

But Singletary seems to want to coach the team he played for: a great back running the ball, and QB throwing enough to keep defenses honest, and a brutal defense. But that doesn’t win in today’s NFL, where the best teams are the Patriots, Colts, Saints – teams which throw early and often. This is why we ended up with Raye rather than Linehan. Is Raye being the good soldier he promised to be, and running what Sing wants, until the game situation gets so bleak that the team has no other choice?

Our team’s main offensive strength is the receiving corps: Crabtree, Morgan, and Davis are all very good payers. Hill may prove to be a very good player. Gore has always been an effective pass-catching back, and he’s excellent at picking up the blitz. I think it’s telling that when the team has to switch to emphasizing those players, they start moving the ball. So why are we trying to be a power-run team?

I’d blame Raye for this if I thought it was his idea, but I don’t. This is the offense Singletary told us he wanted to run when he was hired. This is the offense he hired Raye to run. And maybe it could work if we had a great power offensive line.

But we don’t. Singletary needs to start coaching the team he has, rather than the team he wished he had.

has no business getting a handoff. Unless it’s like 1st and goal from the 1-inch mark and we’re trying to surprise the defense…even then…not sure…

what record do we have to get to before we say let’s see what we have in Nate Davis before it’s draft time / FA time?

I’ve noticed a big fall off in this area since his injury/benching. He was the team’s best tackler in the secondary and seemed to inspire others. The defense doesn’t have the same ferocity anymore.

There were no garbage touchdowns in this game. The Packers never took any starters out. Twenty points isn’t a big enough lead in the NFL for a team to go into garbage. The STDs earned those fair and square.

The reason why we keep seeing these Jekyll and Hyde offensive displays is because the Niners’ “desperation offense” is the type play calling we should be seeing all game. It works, and Alex Smith works well in it. When they line up in the shotgun and take shots downfield, they succeed. When they try to force an offensive scheme that depends heavily on run-blocking by the offensive line, they fail. This is clearly demonstrable, and it seems like Jimmy Raye is the only person left in the world still not convinced of it. It’s the reason for the second half of the Houston game, and it’s the reason Smith all of a sudden becomes so impressive looking during two minute drills. If you don’t believe me, go look at the play-by-plays for almost every single drive that resulted in a 49er touchdown this year and the type of play calling that caused it.

I don’t think they need to direct-snap to Gore when they line up in a shotgun formation. Gore seems to do well on draw plays. God knows he can’t depend on this O-line to open up holes for him- might as well draw some of those defenders out of his face.

They cannot do anything without him. Their whole offense reloves around the talent they have. CLUE TO RAYE; utilize the talent you have.

Niners almost overcome a 20 point deficit in eleven minutes. What a story it could’ve been. They continue to be one or two plays away, which I appreciate makes them better than last season, but am frustrated that it’s still not good enough this season. Very good teams make there own breaks; that’s obviously not us. But even good and average teams get a break or two. We have yet to. In all four road losses we’re the team that makes the one or two big mistakes that make us just good enough to lose. Colts today won their fourth straight that coulda/shoulda been a loss. Dallas won because the Redskins kicker sucked today. Even the awful Lions got a break against the worse Browns.

In scoring position, down 15. Bring on the comeback

Davis said the 49ers’ success came in large part from their shotgun spread formations, and suggested the team should use the spread more often.

“We’ve just got to come out from the beginning and take advantage of the things we can take advantage of,” Davis said. “If it’s spreading the ball, maybe we need to do that. But it’s not up to me, I don’t call the plays.”

Welp, there you go.

Our fourth-year tight end understands more about offensive strategy than a coordinator who’s been working in the NFL for the last 32 years.

I really thought when the season started that we would have a top 5 D, all kinds of sacks and respect, it seems like we actually provide a platform for teams players to have a spot at the sports center top 10 lately

LOL, the 49ers have just one more win than the Duhs.

but I’m a girl so its ok. The local Raiders show just called out our offensive play-calling, Jeremy Newberry just said “the Niners are playing not to lose, they aren’t playing to win.” Besides the whole ‘those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones’ bit, it’s just sad when even the Raiders are smart enough to know Raye’s/Sing’s game strategy is all wrong. The Raiders! And they won today. Seriously, tear.

to those saying our offense was “conservative”

Just make sure you understand that doesn’t entail running the ball a ton. Gore only had 7 carries. We called a ton of pass plays. They were just ineffective, largely due to poor protection, short routes called (Raye) and lack of execution by the QB

was a huge let down. I mean, we know the offense is awful – we expect it. But the D got brutalized on the ground, and didn’t stop the pass either. Only a couple key stops on 3rd-and-short prevented this game from being more like 30-3 at the half.

I do think there’s no point in keeping up the charade of a run-first offense. We’re 4-6, and basically out of the playoffs. May as well go full shotgun no-huddle the rest of the way and see if we can’t score some points. Keep Gore on the field, use him as a outlet/draw play back, or even split him wide if we can get some pass protection from the front 4.

that is the truth of it and alex smith is a bust for sure are team just isnt that good and we still need players in all phases of the game.

even with all of whatever people want to say this guy does not win games and will lose a game for you and just completing less than 50% of the passes is not encouraging to me