Mike Singletary "lunch money" transcript
Folks were wondering when we'd get another great pearl from Mike Singletary and today we got one. Coach Singletary was talking about the need for a team to think like a champion and be able to overcome adversity. He indicated he didn't feel the team had enough guys who were there yet in that mentality. That was followed by this:
On why the team didn't think like that after starting 3-1:
"Well, that's what I'm saying. I can only relate it this way. It is like this kid who is going to school, and maybe some of you guys can relate, I know I can. But it is like this kid who is going to school and this guy is taking his lunch money every day. You are tired of this guy taking your lunch money. You are bigger than he is, you are stronger than he is, you can take this kid. But because this kid has been built up so much, everything you heard about him, they say this kid is better than you and you believe that. You are going to continue to give the kid your lunch money until one day you decide, ‘You know what, I'm done with that. I'm not giving you my money anymore and that's it.' That's the same thing in any situation whether it's football, whether it's life or anything else. I'll stop there because I don't want to be motivational."
The slogan for the 2009 49ers was don't tell me, show me. Unfortunately we've seen a lot of talk thus far, and only a modicum of "show me." I know there are a lot of folks who look at most of this as just talk. At the same time, is there any level of truth to the idea that the team is used to "getting their lunch money stolen" and they need to learn how to win? I know there are tangible reasons for the struggles (offensive line, play-calling, tackling, etc...), but does this idea of getting picked on for so long play into that?
Head Coach Mike Singletary
Press Conference - November 23, 2009
San Francisco 49ers
Opening statements:
"Good morning ladies and gentlemen. How are you doing? Just to go over some of the injuries: [RB] Michael Robinson has a stinger. That's going to be MRI'd today. [SS] Michael Lewis, quad strain - left quad strain. [WR] Arnaz Battle, right leg strain. [WR] Jason Hill, left ankle sprain. [TE] Delanie Walker, forearm contusion. [LG] David Baas, right ankle sprain. [LB] Patrick Willis just has a trap spasm. [CB Marcus] Hudson, back strain. We'll see how he looks today and MRI it this week. [CB Tarell] Brown, left knee contusion. [S] Reggie Smith, abdominal strain non-related to the groin injury.
Just to get into the game yesterday, a few comments about the game. No, it is a game that we did not play well, a game that we did not tackle well, a game that we did not execute very well - particularly in the first half. And, what I have to say about that is not going to be motivational, it's not going to be - it is going to be fact. It's just a matter of when you have a team and you know you have players that want to be a good football team, they want to be good football players, you just have to work harder to get there. As a coaching staff, we just have to coach better. We just have to coach better, smarter. All of the little things that we're striving to get done, we just have to get them done. It's as simple as that. Yes, I am confident that this season will be a good season. We've got six weeks left. We've got six games left. I am convinced that going forward, that we will play better. I am convinced that in a situation like this, we have to continue to make some changes, whether they're personnel changes or whatever, to continue to try and get the people on the field that can get us where we need to go. Other than that, it's disappointing that we did not play well yesterday. We did not start well. But, we just have to continue to get better. Now, your questions."
On what if he means making the playoffs when he says "good season":
"At the very start of this season, our goal was to win enough games to go to the playoffs. That is still our goal. That has not changed, will not change. We're a team, in my mind, we're good enough to do that. We're running out of games and we're running out of time, but we are better. That's just something that I will not try to go through the ‘ifs' and the ‘buts' or whatever. We just have to get it done."
On whether coaching smarter entails tailoring the offense to QB Alex Smith's strengths:
"I would think that as we continue to move forward and [offensive coordinator] Jimmy Raye and I, and [quarterbacks coach] Mike Johnson, Alex Smith, you have to continue to learn what his strengths are. It would be, from the very first game that he played in Houston after that game, it would be very easy to say, ‘Oh, that's Alex Smith. Let's put him out there,' not taking into any consideration that the defense may be a lot different. Maybe there's something that they're giving up. Not every time that you see it, that's what it is. We're continuing to learn his strengths. We're continuing to have him communicate to us what works for him and what doesn't. I think, as we go forward, we have to really look at what's working for him and what works for the offense and continue to do more of those things."
On whether running the spread offense might suit his strengths better at this time:
"When you say spread offense, can you explain to me exactly what you mean?"
He seems to perform better when he takes the snap in the shotgun formation with more receivers on the field.
"Well, let me ask you this, just to make sure that I'm clarifying. So, you're saying he seems to work better from a shotgun with more receivers on the field. What if he had the same number of receivers on the field but he was still under the center. Would that still be spread to you?"
No. I think he does better out of the shotgun.
"You think he does better out of the shotgun."
It appears the results are better.
"OK. Alright, that's fair. I would just say this: I think for him, when - and I just went back to look at all of his time from Houston to yesterday - he's done well whether he's under center, he's done well whether he's got two backs in the backfield, he's done well whether he's got two or - I think the biggest thing for him is having time. I think that's the most important thing for him. It's to have time. I think one of the worst things that we could do right now is to put Alex Smith in shotgun and say, ‘OK. Let's go get it guys. Here's what it is.' And just let him throw 40, 50 times a game and let's see where you end up. As I'm looking at Alex Smith right now, Alex Smith, to me, is throwing as well as any quarterback in the league right now - as I'm looking at him right now. He is as accurate as any quarterback in the league right now. I think the smartest thing for us to do continuing to go forward is not to take all of training camp, not to take all of what we have gone into this season and just throw it out and say we're going to go to shotgun. I think the smartest thing for us to do is to continue to open it up as Alex Smith allows us to, as he continues to communicate, but we've got to protect him as well, and not just throw him out there because the first time he gets an interception, the first time he gets a tipped ball it is, ‘Well, why are you doing that? Do you think you should open it up that much? Do you think you should expose him that much?' I think we have to be smart about what we're doing. I think we have a good thing going with him. Unfortunately, we haven't done that in the first half, but I think we have a good thing going with him in terms of just allowing him - to every game like he had yesterday, or hopefully on the other side of that thing will be a win, but every game that he has where he can throw like that, it's all of the time he's missed, all of the crap that he's gone through, it gives him that confidence going forward to know, ‘I can do this. I can get this done.' So, hopefully, that starts coming in the first quarter and the second quarter and going forward, maybe you can run a little bit more."
On whether you can just be a passing team:
"I think going forward, even if you look at the Indianapolis Colts, they aren't just a passing team. They may pass more, but depending on the team that they are facing and whether they need to slow the game down or speed the game up, whether they are ahead in the game, or whether they are behind in the game, whether this team has a great pass rush or they don't, I think all of those things become a factor in how many times you are going to throw the ball. I think if you sit down and talk to Peyton Manning, I think one of the first things that he would tell you is that he loves handing the ball off because it is one less interception that he has to take the risk of taking. I do want to have a balance because I believe that if you can run the football, it forces them to respect the pass. It makes them vulnerable and vice versa. Football will always be that way, and when you have a balance, when you can effectively create a balanced attack, then it makes you a better football team. You can go into the game and Alex Smith to me is becoming a complete quarterback. The thing that I'm thankful that he's not doing is crying about not throwing the ball more. I'm really thankful that he's not doing that because he can sit back and look at the number of passes that he's thrown in the game and sit back and look at how accurate he has been. Some quarterbacks would be saying that and that really haven't been as successful as he has been throwing the ball. Some of them might have been crying more about not throwing the ball, even in the media. He hasn't been doing that, which shows me more about who he is, but from what I'm seeing from him, I'm excited about him and there are still some things that he's missing. There's still some reads that he's not getting, which makes it even more exciting, but we are going to get the offensive side of the ball going. I'm talking to Jimmy Raye too much and Jimmy Raye is talking to Alex too much and Alex is talking to Mike Johnson too much and we are talking to each other too much for it not to get where it needs to be so we can have a successful offense. With all of the weapons that we have - our offensive line, that's a work in progress. Hopefully, they are just going to continue to get better and just give us enough time that we need for Alex to get the ball out and for us to have some successful runs and go from there."
On why it is impossible for them to go to a spread offense at this point:
"I think when you are talking about a team going to the playoffs who hasn't been to the playoffs in seven years, the No. 1 thing you have to have is consistency, and to develop consistency, you have to have a certain number of repetitions in something before you can be successful at something. When Alex drops back and he throws that eight-route or that route where the receiver runs and he comes inside. For him to go back and throw that pass and have confidence that pass is going to be there as he goes back and he's looking at that safety. For him to do that, he has to do it 100 times before he can have confidence of knowing he can throw it at this speed because this time I am throwing to Jason Hill. I can throw it at this speed because this time I am throwing it to Michael Crabtree. You have to know the receivers. You have to have a feel for how fast those DBs are going to close on it. It's all of those little things that go into throwing that football with the confidence and the zip that you need in order for it to get there. So if I'm going to open up the offense, every step that I take as a quarterback, if it's a three step drop, it takes time to get the rhythm down, just in the three step drop. If I'm just dropping back and my footwork isn't good and I'm trying to make sure that I'm timing it with the receivers that are going there and if he's not there or my footwork isn't good, it's going to be a pick. It takes time to get that. So instead of working on this 100 times, I'm working on ‘this'100 times, it's a big difference and if that's what you've been doing in training camp, it makes a big difference."
On whether he looks at the trend the league is leaning towards with passing teams being more successful:
"I think every year coming out of the first half of the season, you have teams that pass the ball a lot and they look pretty good right now, but at some point in time, when you start talking about the playoff teams, they are going to have to run the ball and they are going to have to find a balance somewhere to run the football because if they are going to pass - here's what you have a lot and this is interesting, I like this, but what you have a lot is sometimes those passing teams, wherever they may be, whether it's New Orleans, Indianapolis whoever they might be, as you begin to get closer and closer to the playoffs, then those defenses get better, and if you are going to throw the ball a lot nine times out of 10, they are not just going to line up and show you what they are playing. They are going to make that quarterback work and more often than not, the quarterback is not going to be wrong and I just think that as you really get into the second half of the season and you begin to talk about the playoffs and those kinds of things, you have to strive for a balance and those teams that are throwing the ball, they have to be able to run the ball at some point in time. Now, do I think Alex can do that? Yes, I do. Do I think he will be given the opportunity to do that? At some point in time, yes, I do. I think I've said that before. I don't care if we have to throw the ball 100 times in the game. I really do not. I don't care if we run the ball 100 times a game. Do I like that better? Yes. Why? Because if I'm throwing it 100 times a game, chances are there are going to be some picks in there. I don't want that. I don't want to give the team anything if I can, but I'm not opposed to that. The common denominator for me and ever coach and every player that we have is to win. That has to be the common denominator. If that's not it, then we've got the wrong people. So yes, absolutely, whatever works, whatever the formula is, yes, I want that."
On whether he is discussing any potential personnel moves:
"I'm still looking at the film, still looking at the film. I am confident that there may be one or two, but I am still looking at the film."
On which side of the ball he is looking to make changes:
"I don't want to get into that, but there are a couple."
On the factors that led to a low rushing total against the Packers:
"I think one of the biggest things is you are behind. That's the No. 1 factor. That takes you out of everything. It takes you out of your game plan. Now you almost have to be in a panic mode like, ‘Alright, let's get our best passing plays. The run, that's it. We have to try to make it a game again before we can run the ball.' Yes there was time on the clock, but on defense we were not playing great as well. They were holding the ball and we could not get off the field on third down. That made it difficult. Better to try and throw the ball and try to get somewhere where can try to make it a game again. Then we could have a chance to run the ball."
On whether the passing game may not click until next year:
"No, I won't say that. We don't have to wait until next year. I think it is a process going forward. I think after Alex played the Houston game, and maybe after the Indianapolis game, everyone wanted to see the spread. I think we have to continue to work on it because it is a work in progress, it really is."
On whether the team is still adjusting to Smith:
"I think everything worked out for a reason. Would it have been better for Alex if he had started at the beginning of the season? Absolutely, yes. For his maturation, the whole nine yards, would it have been better for our team? Probably not. Shaun Hill started the season and did a tremendous job managing the team, throwing the balls he needed to throw. But I think he took us to a place and that was about as far as he could take us and it was Alex Smith's time to get in. But I also think that Alex Smith really had a chance to grow some. I think Alex Smith, really for the first time in his career, had a chance to sit on the bench and look at another quarterback and be able to listen to the coaches and say, ‘Shaun, I wouldn't have made that throw. Shaun, I wouldn't have done this.' And he would be able to say, ‘Now how would I have done that?' Rather than it being him every year, maybe he wasn't ready, but that's all you got. I think that Alex grew some from that as well. I think for him, it was a win-win situation."
On his emotions on being 4-6:
"You know what, my first emotion is anger. It really is. Anger because it doesn't have to be like this. It did not have to be this way. But at the same time, excitement. Excitement because I am just thankful that we don't have a team where I am coming in here the day after, you are 4-6, you got your tail kicked the day before, and you know when look at that film, ‘We can't do any better than that. We can't beat that team.' And I am looking at that schedule where ‘we can't beat those teams either, we just have to build for next year.' No, that's not what we are. That's not what we are. Where we are right now is, we are still hurting ourselves. We are our own worst enemy. If we could just beat the enemy within, then we have a chance to go out and beat the one we are playing against. When you talk about a championship team, when you talk about changing the culture, when you talk about taking that next step - and we will take that step - when you talk about taking that step, there is more involved in it. Even if you start the season and you are 5-0, there is more involved in it because you have to deal with some of the mental psyche that is involved in it and helping guys understand that you have to see yourselves different, you have to think different, you have to think like a champion. When you walk on that field you have to know, this is my game. When you start thinking like that and you start acting like that, when things go bad on the field you are able to take a step back and go, ‘We are going to make this happen, it is not going to be like it was before. We are going to take that step and we are going to go to the next step. We are going to win this game. We are going to get over this, we are going to around it, we are going to go under it. Whatever it is, we are going to win this game.' When you start thinking like that, that's when you start winning those kinds of games we played in yesterday, when you start thinking like that, when you know that. We don't have enough of those guys there yet. But we will get there and we will get there this year."
On why the team didn't think like that after starting 3-1:
"Well, that's what I'm saying. I can only relate it this way. It is like this kid who is going to school, and maybe some of you guys can relate, I know I can. But it is like this kid who is going to school and this guy is taking his lunch money every day. You are tired of this guy taking your lunch money. You are bigger than he is, you are stronger than he is, you can take this kid. But because this kid has been built up so much, everything you heard about him, they say this kid is better than you and you believe that. You are going to continue to give the kid your lunch money until one day you decide, ‘You know what, I'm done with that. I'm not giving you my money anymore and that's it.' That's the same thing in any situation whether it's football, whether it's life or anything else. I'll stop there because I don't want to be motivational."
On how great he's doing with his analogy:
"No, I'm done."
On whether anyone ever took his lunch money as a child:
"Absolutely."
On how old he was when it happened:
"[Maybe] seven, eight, nine [years old]. I was the last of ten kids."
On whether there is a difference to Alex Smith taking snaps under center in the shotgun formation:
"I do think it makes a difference, but the point that I was making is that he's had success whether he's been under center or in shotgun, and to me, I think it just gets down to that it's one thing when you see it on film, when you talk to him he has to give you that feel for ‘you know what, I really feel better in the shotgun [formation] or I really feel better taking it from under the center.' I think he has mixed feelings about both."
On the possibility that QB Alex Smith maybe much better in the shotgun formation:
"Maybe."
On whether the team can run off of shotgun formation just as effectively as taking snaps from under center:
"Running out of the shotgun [formation] and running from under center is a lot different because particularly having someone like Frank Gore. When you have a running back like Frank Gore, he is a hit-the-hole-downhill guy. He's not a fidget to the right and then give him the ball. When you're in the shotgun, you've got to figure out some kind of way, you've kind of have to work together on how you step this way and he steps that way. It's not like you're under center, you're going back, he's going forward -he's hitting that hole and you've this other guy running around here wrapping around the edge. No, it's not like that. It's different, you guys see what I'm saying? So it's different for the running back. For the quarterback it's great, but it's different for the running back when you've got that kind of running back."
On whether he understands the postgame statements by TE Vernon Davis and WR Michael Crabtree about their abilities flourishing under the spread offense:
"I understand that they're excited. I understand that anytime that they have the opportunity to catch the ball, they know that they're in a spread situation, and particularly Vernon, he's excited anytime he gets a play called his way. If I were them I would get excited too, but if I'm Crabtree, I need to be a little more quiet because he just got here. He's just trying to figure out what day it is, he didn't go through all the other stuff and I'm kidding when I'm saying that. I just talked to him awhile ago and he is excited about the spread set, Vernon is excited, all of the receivers are excited. I'm sure that Alex is excited as well, but I think it's one of those things where that's why we coach because we also have to look at what's good for Frank. We also have to look at what's good for the offense as a whole. But we do want to honor what the players think about, particularly a playmaker - a quarterback and that's why we've been in so many conversations with Alex. You're right about the point that you're making, Alex is such a humble guy, a meek guy, don't how long he'll stay that way but it's a great thing to have a quarterback like that says ‘what do you think, coach? What do you want?' But for him to be doing the things that he's doing right now, I'm not sure how long we're going to have that, but it's a great thing to have right now and I do want him to take that next step and be like, ‘Hey, you know what, here's what I like, here's what is good for us. That would be good and I think that Alex is getting to a place of being more comfortable being able to communicate that way, and I think as we go forward, he will do that. He's certainly gotten better."
On the possibility of WR Josh Morgan returning kicks again in the future:
"That is a thought. Obviously we liked what we saw yesterday. Hopefully, if Josh Morgan is the kickoff returner, then hopefully he's not returning too many of them in a game so we don't have to worry about it too often. I just think that yesterday, he did a nice job when called upon. I don't know, but we'll have to look at that a little bit more."
On what the coaching staff can do to bring the level of intensity to the players higher:
"I think you keep working. If it were an easy answer, everyone would figure it out. I just think you keep working and you just keep believing it's coming. When I'm talking to the players, I'm looking at the players and also listening to the players. There are a lot of good things happening, but at the end of the day, I just know that we'll get there, sooner than later."
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Success breeds success
When you’ve played on a losing team for a long time you have no confidence that you can turn it around when you need to. You get behind and you think to yourself “there’s no way we can dig out of this hole we’re in”. This causes players to not be as sharp in their execution as they might otherwise be and to not fight as hard.
When you’re a team like the Saints, Colts, or Patriots, if you get behind by a whole bunch it doesn’t matter. You’ve got the confidence that you can pull the victory off.
I do think there is something to it. That’s not all it is but it’s certainly part of it. I do think Sing is right when he says this is a better team than our record indicates—that’s one of the reasons so many fans are so upset right now.
by smileyman on Nov 23, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like some fans too
Expecting bad things to happen because they have in recent years even though the talent and coaching is better than it was. Even when they’re coming back, how many of us (and players perhaps?) really think they’ll complete the comeback? It’ll be this way until they win games like yesterday and finish games like in Minnesota and pull an upset like they almost did in Indy. Until then, Sing’s description is right.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 23, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not getting into FG range...
for an entire half isn’t almost pulling an upset in IND.
Why you don’t get this is, well not beyond me honestly.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Push Mike Push
Keep going Mike you’ll get it. I believe. There is no other coach who would do any better. Keep the faith.
by zonedogs on Nov 23, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
anyone is saying that Smith should be throwing 50 times a game when you have Gore on the team.
Just that they should try opening up the running game by using the passing game.. And by being aggressive out of the shotgun a little more, even early in the game.
Whether they run in the shotgun or pass, I don’t particularly care.
Both run and pass have seemed to be effective out of the shotgun.
Everyone seems to think that the pro-spread offense people are saying “we should be in the spread ALL GAME LONG”.. Obviously that’s a retarded idea that wouldn’t work.
Luckily no one is saying that.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 23, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
me, for example.
And I really don’t see why it wouldn’t work. Keep running it until teams show they can stop it on a consistent basis.
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by Viliphied on Nov 24, 2009 2:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man ole Man
Damn I hate Mike he sure does know how to turn my faith around. Boy I was mad and was already giving up hope on the playoff but when that dude talks he makes me believe!!!! The NINERS will make it!!! Do your thing Mike…… just give your play calling to someone else.lol
by Quiet Fan on Nov 23, 2009 4:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Entertaining but I liked Lloyd Christmas's pep talk better
The only good thing to take away from the Packer game is we spiked their defense with laxatives.
by bignerd on Nov 23, 2009 4:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION...
you can see that the team has improved from last year…10-6 here we come!!! bring on the cowgirls for the first round!!!
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"
by Bo$$Ixta! on Nov 23, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
YES SIR
10-6 all the way!!!!!! Playoff bound. AZ is going down! The niners got THIS!! The good thing is when they make it they have shown they can play with the best all they need to do is beat the best!!! It only matters in the playoffs, they just got to get there!!!!!
by Quiet Fan on Nov 23, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more positives
i like when our fans can be positive and optimistic instead of disecting the games for negatives. Like life there will always be room for improvement.
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"
by Bo$$Ixta! on Nov 23, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets go NINERS the cards ain’t ****!!! 10-6 Go Singletary!!!
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 23, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
why be pessimistic and not expect to win? Sure you can hope to win as a fan but still expect the team to lose. That is not right and will not help us in getting a win.
I would rather be optimistic and have a close game and lose. Because that is the same scenario that gets you an inch close to winning rather than losing. And sometimes it is just a mental phenomenan that can get you on the other side of that inch and be the winning team each time.
by fortyniners on Nov 23, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a process
Ken Whisenhunt is in his third season with the Cards. They went to the SB last season.
Yet this is what he said last week regarding their up coming game against St. Louis:
As for the Cardinals’ maturity to handle a game like this one against the Rams, Whisenhunt said it should be a good test.
“Listen, we are a long way from being that mature team that you can count on to show up every week and play the game you’re supposed to play,” he said. “We’ve made great strides in that direction, though, and this game will go a long way toward seeing where we are.”
The Cardinals are very inconsistent. Last season they couldn’t win on the road and rarely lost at home. This season it’s almost the exact opposite.
When Whisenhunt says that his team (that almost won it all in 2008) is
“a long way from being that mature team that you can count on to show up every week and play the game you’re supposed to play”
that’s an honest and accurate evaluation of his team.
It’s a process. Singletary’s 49ers are on the right track but are quite a ways from reaching their destination. At least he has them on the right track.
by GeoMak on Nov 23, 2009 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thats right...
and i think its the first time where i see he acknowledges that they also have to coach better. We’re on track! just stay tuned… dont jump off the wagon because some of us wont let you back on… that goes for all the fake fans that cant ride out the tough times. like my ex girl. now that i’m doing good you wana join my team well i got to words for you “____ YOU!” lol
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"
by Bo$$Ixta! on Nov 23, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a fan it's frustrating
when you see close games that we could’ve won slip away. The thing that we (well at least I) tend to forget is that this team would’ve been blown out in this close games last year. We wouldn’t have held the Colts to only 18 points. We wouldn’t have been a miracle throw away from beating the Vikings. The GB game would have been a 20 point blow-out instead of 6.
We are improving it’s just frustrating.
by smileyman on Nov 23, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only motivational speaking and witty personal anecdotes were enough to get a football team to the playoffs. Unfortunately, we won’t get there with:
On whether running the spread offense might suit his strengths better at this time:
“When you say spread offense, can you explain to me exactly what you mean?”
by Chimneyfish on Nov 23, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It was a good question
To clarify the reporters intent. Like fans, they say spread and mean 3 or 4-wide. Others mean shotgun. Others means having your receivers with wide splits toward the sideline, much like Martz’s offense in STL. It’s no different than saying one wants the team to be more “aggressive” or “conservative”. There’s nothing wrong with thinking these things but one should clarify how they define it.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 23, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the reporter really needed to ask about specific formations in order to get the point across. Judging from the transcript, the general focus of the questions seemed to be why Singletary hasn’t been doing more of the type things that have worked well for them in the past. He seems really defensive towards using more of the shotgun formation for some reason but he isn’t clear in his explanation. If he thinks that Alex Smith has played as well under center as he has in the shotgun, as he seems to have implied, then he is wrong to the extent of it being very concerning.
by Chimneyfish on Nov 23, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
SIng has watched all the film and it shows Alex in the shotgun on most all of our third downs that end with sacks, incompletions and the occasional turnover. If you want a small and specific sample size then yes, yesterday Alex was much better in shotgun vs under center. The only time he was under center all 2nd half he threw an INT. But I recall play by play transcripts that show three of Smith’s four turnovers vs Tennessee were from the shotgun. So when looking at a full sample size, Sing sees that’s it’s not all one sided. I don’t think it’s an issue of shotgun vs under center. I think it’s more about formations and personnel, both of which should focus on more receivers and less Norris.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 23, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
has been much more effective from the shotgun this year, and it really hasn’t been close. Even with the poor performance against TEN.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 24, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The question to my mind is: Does Smith’s success out of shotgun actually have to do with his comfort with the formation, or does it have more to do with the quality of plays being called when we use that formation?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the conclusion I've come to as well
After looking at Sunday’s game and seeing what was actually called. I think the playcalling is vastly different under shotgun—much more down the field routes. Under Center it seems like there are more crossing patterns, and slow developing plays.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Factor
Maybe the opponents are better prepared for our base offense? In that case, if we start relying on the shotgun, spread, whatever, it will lose its surprise value.
We'll see them again in the playoffs! What channel is it on?
by silverjay on Nov 24, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.
but in that case, run it until they show they can stop you, then you switch back to base to change it up.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 24, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually no
I saw on Comcast Sports last night: 5TD 4 INT in shotgun, 4TD 3 INT under center. So in these small sample sizes their about equal. Again, I think it’s less about shotgun and more about personnel and types of plays called, as howy is saying.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 24, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just looking at TD/INT numbers
is ignoring the big picture. The entire offense is more effective out of that formation, for whatever reason.
And again, I’m not really talking about running plays out of the shotgun. I’m talking about adopting the shotgun/spread as an offensive philosophy.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 24, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's more effective
or maybe it’s the play calling that’s different.
We don’t push it downfield very often when under center. When in shotgun we tend to air it out more. The time to complete a play (i.e. from snap to pass) is the same under either circumstance.
I would like to see Alex more under shotgun—or at least I’d like to see the offense go lights out to open the game, not to try to come back from 20 points down.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aggression is the key...
I’m not saying that we need to air it out every down, but we should attack as an offense from the beginning of the game, as opposed to waiting until we’re down by 23 points. Bottom line is that we have very good core players @ WR, TE, and RB. I would rather lose with an aggressive game plan that takes more shots down field, than to lose by going 3 and out and wearing out our defense. Besides if we’re punting on nearly every possession, it doesn’t really make a difference if we throw a INT deep down field. IMO going 3-and-out is almost as bad as a turnover…
by Jay-skee on Nov 23, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think you'll find that that is exactly what they'll start doing.
This new regime is still feeling it’s way around. They’ll adapt but they will do it later rather than sooner.
by GeoMak on Nov 23, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"This new regime is still reeling it’s way around"..
Fixed.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 1:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Just like Ken Whisenhunt reeled
his way around in Arizona in his first two seasons when he (incredibly) named Matt Leinart the starter not once (2007) but twice (2007 & 2008) over Kurt Warner.
Think about it. In both of his first two seasons, Whisenhunt named Matt Leinart to start over Kurt Warner.
Talk about ‘reeling your way around.’
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 4:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't watch this team, do you?..
I forgot, you just read your local paper, and throw out inane comparisons.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I get it
You just prefer to be pessismistic. You’re one of those guys who if we win the Super Bowl by 7 points is upset because it’s not by 21. Your glass is always half empty.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer..
to piss pathetic Homers off. I do a great job of it too.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I watch every snap of every game
I just have enough intelligence to understand that it’s a process.
It was for Walsh and for everybody else.
Sorry.
(And if you think it’s an inane comparison to listen to Whisenhunt talk about how far away his SB team is from being a mature team, well then, I guess that’s your problem. Not mine).
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL..
I mean, you are now trying to give Whizz a whole lot of credit after you have slammed him in the past? What, are you running out of platitudes and anecdotes?
Jeebus, you are really out there.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I'm not giving him any credit
In fact, it’s not exactly something he should highlight on his resume’ to be honest. But he said it.
As far as slamming him in the past, therein lies your problem. I don’t ‘slam people.’ I just tell it like it is. He badly mismanaged the Kurt Warner situation. I just call him out on it. Most people don’t.
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how any Whizz..
comparison fits here. The 49ers are a totally different team than AZ is. The 49ers situation stems back way before Whizz was named HC in AZ. If you wanna reach with that, well, fair enough I suppose.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
The 49ers are a totally different team than AZ is
Let me help you out here.
A few years ago (2007) KW took over a team as the HC.
Last season MS (2008 1/2) took over a team as a HC.
Ken Whisenhunt is almost universally praised and loved in Arizona. Nationally he’s considered a top 10 HC. He’s the first HC to take the Cardinals to the SB
Therefore, if a guy who has done ‘all that’ can come out and publicly admit that, 2 1/2 seasons into his tenure there, that his team still isn’t mature that you can
count on them to show up every week and play the game you’re supposed to play
then that says a lot to me.
People expecting Singletary’s team (a much less talented team) to do just that in half the time aren’t realistic. At all.
I’m sorry this concept eludes you.
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That isn't even a concept..
That’s more like a grab bag of poop analysis that can be used in terms of the 49ers in 2005.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary’s team still sometimes goes out and plays racquetball. But they’re working on it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a process.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You think the first step would be taking away their racquets. But I guess you can’t just dive into these things.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
drummer
Don’t even worry about it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes a complete grasp
of things going around the entire NFL (and not just with the home team) is a good thing.
It gives one perspective.
Feel free to expand your horizons
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're welcome
Helpful hint:
Thanks to the power of the internet and ‘the Google’ you can follow each team from the comfort of your home.
Everything written in their local papers and beyond is readily available.
Since the 49ers are in the NFC West, reading a little something about thier immediate competition (SeaHawks, Cardinals and Rams) might be a good place to start.
You’re welcome!
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thanking howie..
Jeebus, even when you bring the Internet into the conversation, you fail at that too.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You amuse me
my little friend. You rarely make any sense, and your constant attacks on me just serve to illuminate your considerable ignorance on all things NFL . . but you amuse me nonetheless.
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to help you out..
Do you remember how you came in?
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another intelligent comment
from the drummer boy.
How I came in?
What? To Niners Nation? (The hiring of Mike Singletary as interim HC last season).
Is that what you’re asking?
If so, WHY?
Shhesh. For the love of God, TRY!!!!! to say something intelligent in response to me.
Please!
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sauerkraut..
Chop or grate cabbage, finely or coarsely, with or without hearts, however you like it. I love to mix green and red cabbage to end up with bright pink kraut. Place cabbage in a large bowl as you chop it.
Sprinkle salt on the cabbage as you go. The salt pulls water out of the cabbage (through osmosis), and this creates the brine in which the cabbage can ferment and sour without rotting. The salt also has the effect of keeping the cabbage crunchy, by inhibiting organisms and enzymes that soften it. 3 tablespoons of salt is a rough guideline for 5 pounds of cabbage. I never measure the salt; I just shake some on after I chop up each cabbage. I use more salt in summer, less in winter.
Add other vegetables. Grate carrots for a coleslaw-like kraut. Other vegetables I’ve added include onions, garlic, seaweed, greens, Brussels sprouts, small whole heads of cabbage, turnips, beets, and burdock roots. You can also add fruits (apples, whole or sliced, are classic), and herbs and spices (caraway seeds, dill seeds, celery seeds, and juniper berries are classic, but anything you like will work). Experiment.
Mix ingredients together and pack into crock. Pack just a bit into the crock at a time and tamp it down hard using your fists or any (other) sturdy kitchen implement. The tamping packs the kraut tight in the crock and helps force water out of the cabbage.
5. Cover kraut with a plate or some other lid that fits snugly inside the crock. Place a clean weight (a glass jug filled with water) on the cover. This weight is to force water out of the cabbage and then keep the cabbage submerged under the brine. Cover the whole thing with a cloth to keep dust and flies out.
Press down on the weight to add pressure to the cabbage and help force water out of it. Continue doing this periodically (as often as you think of it, every few hours), until the brine rises above the cover. This can take up to about 24 hours, as the salt draws water out of the cabbage slowly. Some cabbage, particularly if it is old, simply contains less water. If the brine does not rise above the plate level by the next day, add enough salt water to bring the brine level above the plate. Add about a teaspoon of salt to a cup of water and stir until it’s completely dissolved.
Leave the crock to ferment. I generally store the crock in an unobtrusive corner of the kitchen where I won’t forget about it, but where it won’t be in anybody’s way. You could also store it in a cool basement if you want a slower fermentation that will preserve for longer.
Check the kraut every day or two. The volume reduces as the fermentation proceeds. Sometimes mold appears on the surface. Many books refer to this mold as "scum," but I prefer to think of it as a bloom. Skim what you can off of the surface; it will break up and you will probably not be able to remove all of it. Don’t worry about this. It’s just a surface phenomenon, a result of contact with the air. The kraut itself is under the anaerobic protection of the brine. Rinse off the plate and the weight. Taste the kraut. Generally it starts to be tangy after a few days, and the taste gets stronger as time passes. In the cool temperatures of a cellar in winter, kraut can keep improving for months and months. In the summer or in a heated room, its life cycle is more rapid. Eventually it becomes soft and the flavor turns less pleasant.
Enjoy. I generally scoop out a bowl- or jarful at a time and keep it in the fridge. I start when the kraut is young and enjoy its evolving flavor over the course of a few weeks. Try the sauerkraut juice that will be left in the bowl after the kraut is eaten. Sauerkraut juice is a rare delicacy and unparalleled digestive tonic. Each time you scoop some kraut out of the crock, you have to repack it carefully. Make sure the kraut is packed tight in the crock, the surface is level, and the cover and weight are clean. Sometimes brine evaporates, so if the kraut is not submerged below brine just add salted water as necessary. Some people preserve kraut by canning and heat-processing it. This can be done; but so much of the power of sauerkraut is its aliveness that I wonder: Why kill it?
Develop a rhythm. I try to start a new batch before the previous batch runs out. I remove the remaining kraut from the crock, repack it with fresh salted cabbage, then pour the old kraut and its juices over the new kraut. This gives the new batch a boost with an active culture starter.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You kill me dude.
A long time ago there was this commercial on TV.
They’d show an egg in a frying fan and the voiceover would say “This is your brain.”
Then they’d drop the egg on the ground where it would get all F++Ked up and the voice would say: “This is your brain on drugs.”
I got a feeling which ‘egg’ you are!
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually..
The frying egg was the brain on drugs.
One more GeoFail in the boxscore.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you are right
about the eggs drummer.
It’s possible. Even for you.
But you get the point.
That said, tell me (oh genius one) what exactly you object to regarding my Ken Whisenhunt quote.
Is it:
A) It doesn’t directly concern the 49ers so it has no value to you.
or
B) You don’t exactly understand what he’s CLEARLY saying?
What say you?
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you that.
You know a lot about eggs and sauerkraut.
The NFL? Not so much.
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Walsh..
See this? I just pulled out some GeoMak Superior Football Name Drop Knowledge.
I see you all as worthless now.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Walsh was 2-14 in his first season.
Where were you then, drummer boy?
Telling everyone how great old Bill would be in a few short years!
Yeah, right. (were you even alive in 1979)?
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vince Lombardi..
You will all bow down to me NOW.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It all started with St. Vincent
which has a lot to do with why his name is on the Super Bowl trophy.
There are many books at your local library about Vince Lombardi. I would suggest starting with ’Instant Replay" and then work through the rest.
They are free there. No excuses!
Educate yourself, my little friend. the mind is a terrible thing to waste!
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Brown..
You will kneel before me as I take your Virgin wife and subject her to my Superior Football Name Drop Knowledge.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it wasn't for the
connection between Bill Walsh and Paul Brown you wouldn’t know Paul Brown from Charlie Brown.
Really. Sad but true.
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
George Halas..
You will now fear the Superior Football Name Drop Knowledge like you fear Obamacare, Facism, Parking Tickets, and cleft chinned dwarfs wearing chaps.
All your eggs belong to us.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem. I don’t respond to GeoMak anymore, and my life has been better for it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
We need to be more aggresive. I know it was early but the call that stood out for me was going to the wildcat right after a 42 yard run by Gore. Are you kidding me?!?!? If we at least had someone who could pass from the wildcat this might be better but this is a formation we should put to bed. To me after that run you pull a play action pass and air it out for the end zone. Or run that reverse to Morgan you called later on. Do something to take advantage and keep the defense off balance.
Don’t kill it by going to the wildcat.
by snowweasel30 on Nov 23, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That play got stomped pretty hard
but we got a big gain from the wildcat last week. My biggest problem with the play calling is running a 5 yard route when we need 9 and hoping we can get it with yards after the catch.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bottom line
is that you’re hearing him say that if it works, and Alex and the other guys seem to feel comfortable doing it, they’ll do their best to accomodate. at least he’s being flexible. before we were all worried that there was no way we’d go spread, stop pounding it up the gut…but we’re changing.
i agree that he is a good motivator. i was so mad yesterday and now i have some hope. the tackling must improve though. those little details, the fundamentals…that has to be solid, consistent. I can’t allow those things to be sloppy.
by Tre9er on Nov 23, 2009 5:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Our pass defense is almost the worst in the league
31st in yards allowed. That’s just unacceptable.
by smileyman on Nov 23, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's counterbalanced by the fact that
they are #6 in rushing defense. That’s often the case. That Cardinals are 28th in pass defense and 10th in rush defense.
They are right around the league average for completion % given up. They are better than the league average for TD’s given up and for INT’s. As far as passing yardage is concerned they are giving up 39 yards more per game than the league average.
by GeoMak on Nov 23, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason we're ranked almost dead last
isn’t because of completion percentage against us or scoring TDs. It’s because of the big plays we give up. 32 plays of over 20 yards (bottom third of the league), 7 of over 40 yards (bottom third again), and only 19 sacks (bottom third again).
by smileyman on Nov 23, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's because of 39 yards per game
Basically the equivalent of one passing 1st down per quarter. Big deal.
With the more important stats (completion %, TD’s given up, etc) they’re pretty much average.
The 49ers have played five of the top ten passing offenses in the NFL (Indy, Arizona, Houston, GB and Minnesota).
Getting bent out of shape over 39 yards over the league average is kind of crazy, IMO.
by GeoMak on Nov 24, 2009 4:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two reasons
Lack of pass rush is the most obvious and is unlikely to get better before next season. But for full context you look at the QBs they’ve gone against and there are more high yardage guys than not.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 23, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We've played some quality QBs
no doubt about it, but we continued to get burned on long passing plays which is why I think our two biggest needs in the off-season are O-line and secondary.
by smileyman on Nov 23, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't pass rush help more
To stop big plays? If the play can not develop and our corners know that the QB will constantly have less than four second before he’s sacked or at least hit, they can play more bump and run, guess on some routes and rarely will anyone have time to get behind them?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 23, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After the game yesterday Alex said it would be unreasonable to switch to a spread offense in the middle of the season. I’m not sure what he means by “switch.” They’re already incorporating the shotgun formation and Alex obviously does well in it. I think people just want to see it being used more often, and throughout the entire game- not just once they’re in a 20 point hole. It hardly requires some kind of complete paradigm shift for the entire offense.
I’m getting the feeling that Alex, being excellent with all the in-house relations type stuff, doesn’t want to say anything that might come off sounding at all critical towards Sing or Raye’s decisions. And he shouldn’t, that’s not his job. I’m also getting the feeling that Singletary is suffering from the first year head coaching syndrome, where he is conservative to the point of it hurting the team. This involves very rarely attempting to convert a fourth-and-short and being adverse to deep passing plays that increase the likelihood of an interception. New coaches are afraid that they’ll be criticized harshly if a riskier play fails than they will be praised if it succeeds, and they’re probably right. But this can cause new coaches to unconsciously put maximizing their job security over maximizing their team scoring points.
by Chimneyfish on Nov 23, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
and Sing said so in so many words. Alex is “meek” and is trying to be politically correct. Sing even said he WANTS Alex to say “I like this. We do well in this. This is right for us”.
This is part of the Alex maturation process too. He has to be a good communicator and leader…take the bull by the horns so to speak. Doesn’t he want to give himself the best chance to succeed?
by Tre9er on Nov 24, 2009 6:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also need some luck
we played Titans just hwne they switched to V.Young and started getting hot. Matchups agaisnt players have been the worst because our opponents ALWAYS either have a good player return form injury, or a good player on the opposing team is out for a while AFTER playing the 49ers.
by fortyniners on Nov 23, 2009 6:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cmon Sing...
I think if you sit down and talk to Peyton Manning, I think one of the first things that he would tell you is that he loves handing the ball off because it is one less interception that he has to take the risk of taking.
I HIGHLY doubt that’s what he would say….
by hudd07 on Nov 23, 2009 7:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
two things that interest me most about his comments...
first, how exactly do these two statements come out of the same mouth if that mouth is spewing honesty:
When you say spread offense, can you explain to me exactly what you mean?
I think after Alex played the Houston game, and maybe after the Indianapolis game, everyone wanted to see the spread.
so, when asked about this nebulous, enigmatic “spread offense” that the reporter was asking him about, he needed clarification on its actual definition, then minutes later he’s using the term “the spread” declaratively rather than saying “…everyone wanted to see this offense you’re talking about and about which you’ve just alerted me to the fact of existence.” to boot, he’s even aware that “everyone” both (a) knew what the spread is, and (b) wanted to see it. c’mon coach, don’t BS us with the, “gee, what’s the spread offense, reporterman?” unless maybe, in the second comment, he’s talking about the point spread as in, “after alex played the houston game…everyone wanted to see the [point] spread.” haha…not likely.
second, he can’t honestly be serious about this
he’s done well whether he’s under center, he’s done well whether he’s got two backs in the backfield
i’m in the process of getting this info from FO given that they keep, but don’t publish, individual shotgun vs. non-shotgun stats during the season. it’s too obvious that smith is better in the shotgun for there not to be a massive difference between his shotgun and non-shotgun DVOAs.
even from a non-statistical perspective, it’s obvious that a QB who plays from the shotgun every snap in college is going to be more comfortable when every defender is right there in his field of vision from the huddle until the whistle than when he has to “go blind” to all 11 defenders during a play-action drop or “go blind” to all blind-side defenders during a non-play-action drop. further, given that his OL can’t pass-block their way out of a paper bag, isn’t it likely that there’s an element of “being afraid of the blind-side rush” going on in his head when he’s dropping back, which isn’t present when no blind-side rush exists in a shotgun formation? i mean, from the shotgun, he can see all the rushers, so he doesn’t have to worry as much about getting killed by an inept OL, whereas he has to pray that the left side of the line isn’t turnstiling as he’s dropping back from center.
by Florida Danny on Nov 23, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be interested to see those stats
Because everything at this point is anecdotal when discussing as fans. I think all three TDs vs Houston were from under center. Yet all three TDs yesterday were from the shotgun. Three of his turnovers vs the Titans we from the shotgun. But so was his TD pass to Hill. And during the 2-min drive before the half against Indy, the big play to Crabtree was under center but the TD pass to VD was from shotgun. It should be interesting analysis.
As for his first response, I still like that he asked the reporter to define his use of spread.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 23, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see those stats too
In fact I think that it would be interesting to see those for every QB. I wonder if FO can put them up on their site?
by smileyman on Nov 23, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, how much defense does Smith read...
In the shotgun as opposed to taking a snap from center? The shotgun plays are much more simple than the plays under center. Smith still has problems with a conventional offense. He is very confused when he has to deal with it. His mechanics are still pretty horrid in the pocket. He is a one dimensional QB. He still is robotic and stares down routes. The one benefit to the shotgun is that he doesn’t have to throw off a drop. His drop timing sucks ass. His footwork sucks ass in when he does have to drop back. He still has zero feel for the pocket. That’s why Turner designed a boatload of rollout plays for Smith.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 1:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You must have watched a different game than I did
Because I didn’t see that any of that with the GB game.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 2:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you didn't watch the first half.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did
I watched the whole game twice (actually three times).
Give me a specific instance of when Alex locked onto a receiver. You won’t be able to because he didn’t do it.
His percentage completion yesterday was the same under center as it was out of the shotgun which blows that theory of yours out of the water.
Near as I can tell he had one sack where he got happy feet and broke out of the pocket early. However, since this O-line can’t give him more than 3 seconds of protection a snap I can’t blame him for being a little nervous.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's easy..
The INT where he stared down the route and the defender picked off a horrid pass that was woefully under thrown and just as inaccurate.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't stare down the receiver on that one
And the INT was Walker’s fault for running a bad route.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The defender who grabbed that INT...
was reading Smith’s eyes and knew where he was gonna throw the ball. Smith telegraphed that route the whole time. Smith had his eyes on that side of the field from snap. He may have looked at the middle of the field for half a second, but past that, it’s all on the left side.
Even a couple of big pass plays to Davis was Smith looking at him the entire time and throwing to that spot.
The more I look at it, it’s really a simple offense that doesn’t require Smith to think or use his feet.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeebus...
The more I look at it, that was a horribly thrown ball out of 3-4 step drop.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK you keep on thinking that
If Walker makes his cut like he’s supposed to it’s a pass that’s right on the money.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have to think it..
I’m seeing it right now. Walker is covered and the ball is thrown 3 yards behind him inside, and the on the money throw was to the wrong color jersey. This is off of a 3 step drop and one hop while looking at that side of the field with both receivers well covered. The ball was in no position for any of those receivers to make a play on. Both receivers backs were turned away from the ball. The GB defender made a great play on the ball shooting the gap where to the spot where Smith was throwing to, because he saw it coming.
That’s what I see. I dunno what you saw.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have to think
And with that, drummer admitted what everyone else already knew. Thank you.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 24, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A SpurredOn post illustrated..

Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that what I do to you?
Well, it’s usually not my intent. Honest. But if you find context and logic that frustrating, perhaps you should give up blogging, at least with football, until you can handle it. I wish you luck.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 24, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeebus..
You act like I stole your “lunch money”.
=)
BTW, why are you stalking me?
Bwah!
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would make you the bully who got bloodied
Not sure that’s the parallel you want. Though it may be apt.
Happy Thanksgiving drummer.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Nov 24, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget the lunch money..
I have my eye on your Thanksgiving turkey.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
guys, it’s true. whether it’s because he needs more work, or if it’s just inherently something he’ll never be great at…
He’s the best we got right now, so we DO have to scheme around his strengths. I still want to see slants with some pump fakes thrown in then going deep. I agree sprint outs and rollouts should be a big part of it too. At least then he wont break the pocket too early and roll AWAY from the majority of the routes…something I’ve seen him do a lot.
by Tre9er on Nov 24, 2009 6:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny, you can do better than this...
You need to explain in DVOA type detail the difference in situational stats regarding Footjoys vs. Nike while teeing off an elevated tee in a dog leg left 384 yard Par 4 from the tips, using steel shaft driver with a certain weight, vs. player with man boobs against player without, with 15 MPH winds from the right gusting to 30 with a $50 Nassau after 3 beers at the 9th hole, after getting the beer cart girl’s digits and pissing off the Ranger for peeing in the Straw bushes while trying to find the range ball you’ve used specifically for water holes.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 2:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
man up
coach sing is dead on when it comes to the spirit of the guys, a lotta football gets won through proper preparation and great playcalling, but at the end of the day, i cant excuse the lack of exicution from the guys . A ll this BS about playcalling and jimmy ray being at fault is a buncha crap, thats like a drop out blaming the school for his being a moron when at the and of the day, its on him. same goes for the team, eather u go out and smash em in the mouth, or u loose, till the guys can get this in their head, expect losses, a lot of them
by erob52 on Nov 23, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In high school my coach ran what we called a single-wing offense. There were two “Backs” (not labeled as QB’s or RB’s) Both guys could toss the ball, obviously one guy was better at it, but neither was lined up directly behind the center, instead one would be in shotgun slightly to the left, the other shotgun slightly to the right. If the niners set up this formation, they could directly snap the ball to the right, straight to Gore and he can run his downhill style at full speed, no fidget necessary. If they want to pass it on the spread, snap it to the left, Gore steps up in pass protection and Smith is throwing out of the shotgun.
by zlasher on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
SING CAN'T ADAPT.
I think one of the worst things that we could do right now is to put Alex Smith in shotgun and say, ‘OK. Let’s go get it guys. Here’s what it is.’ And just let him throw 40, 50 times a game and let’s see where you end up. As I’m looking at Alex Smith right now, Alex Smith, to me, is throwing as well as any quarterback in the league right now – as I’m looking at him right now. He is as accurate as any quarterback in the league right now.
Honestly…if he is throwing as well as any QB in the league, and is as accurate as any QB in the league, why wouldn’t you want to throw 40-50 times a game? That is ridiculous.
He also stated he wanted to stick with what we practiced in Training Camp. Hello Sing, we don’t have the offensive line we had in training camp, we need to adapt.
SING CAN’T ADAPT!!!
by hudd07 on Nov 23, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Preview before you post
I’m still learning to do this, too.
We'll see them again in the playoffs! What channel is it on?
by silverjay on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When did we ever have a good line this season? lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 23, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
It may never have been “good,” but it was certainly better than it is now before Staley went down… and Pashos was apparently doing a good job for the game he was in there. Small sample size, but we’ve gone from bad to worse on the LOL.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 23, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pashos was better than Snyder
but still not great. Sims has done an admirable job but I’d rather have Staley there. I’m hoping that Baas is back next week because I don’t want Wragge in at LG. Rachal has made big improvements in his play.
by smileyman on Nov 24, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, no more quotes for you!Because you keep nesting them like thisYour blockquotes should be separated; start tag than end tagRinse and repeat, rinse and repeat . . .See that is all you have to do so your quotes don’t turn out like this
by bignerd on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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