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Question For Anyone Who Has Ever Played Organized Football as a Place Kicker

At the end of the Texans vs Titans game tonight, Matt Schaub chose to "center" the football by taking the snap, taking a few steps to his right, and downing the ball in the middle of the field between both hash marks, thereby giving his kicker a straight on kick from about 50 yards as opposed to a kick from the left hash mark. My question is this: Do field goal kickers always prefer a kick from straight on? Or are there kickers who play a "draw" or "fade" to use golf analogy. (Some golfers prefer to tee up on the left side of the tee box, others the right.) I have to believe that not all kickers prefer a "straight on" kick; that some would prefer to kick from either of the hash marks. However, I've never seen a team choose to move the ball from the left hash mark to the right, or right to left to play to a kicker's strength or preference. Teams always choose to center the ball. Do all kickers prefer a kick from straight on?

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Interesting question

I’m curious as well, so I’m moving this to the front page.

by David Fucillo on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

I have no idea

Some kickers seem to slice it. I’d guess that it depends on if you’re left-footed or right-footed too.

Maybe we can get Joe Nedney on to answer that questions for us . . .

by smileyman on Nov 23, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions  

Well on my high school team

we did that a couple times. i think it does help the kicker because you don’t have to angle it as much

by Dub4lif3 on Nov 23, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions  

LACES OUT, MARINO!

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2009 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

Einhorn is a man!

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by groug on Nov 23, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, Courtney Cox was in that movie.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

straight for sure!

From 50 yards out and at an angle it would narrow the width of the goal post. Someone that is good at geometry could probably answer that better but take your remote control, hold it straight at you, the turn it a little and see how much thinner it is. I think it changes how wide the goal posts are. So for example, straight on, its 15 yards wide, at an angle from 50 yds out, maybe its 14 yards wide?

by hudd07 on Nov 23, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions  

This,

Think about it like sinking a ball in billiards. Is it easier to make it in angle or from straight on?

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by Sultan of Seitan on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

from 50 yards out

the change would be almost immeasurable,

for a counterpoint, is it easier to hit a strike with a curve on your bowling ball or throwing it straight?

by kevinkinsler on Nov 24, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought they preferred it on or closer to the same hash as their kicking leg

So when it slices back it goes to the middle.

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by SpurredOn on Nov 23, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

soccer style

I never played football, but I did win the san mateo punt, pass, and kick one year. I always liked to be on the right hash because of my right to left draw. I am right footed and kick it soccer style and my field goals usually fades left.

by 49RFAN on Nov 23, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions  

My field goals usually fade down

about 20 yards in front of the goal post. Seriously, I’ve never figured out how to properly kick a football.

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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 23, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Dead straight is easiest.

Even if you kick the ball and it has a curve to it (generally right to left for righties, left to right for lefties) the ball will still be straight where you aimed it.

Also the way the football is shaped, they don’t really curve as much as a soccer ball does. The end over end rotation helps to keep it straight, so even a soccer style kicker generally doesn’t get very much of a bend when they kick the ball right on the sweet spot.

For reference, I’ve played soccer since I was 6 and was part time kicker on the football team in high school. It’s a much different kicking style.

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by mikev on Nov 23, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

From that far out, you almost have to kick from the middle. Some teams will go to either hash depending on wind and such sometimes, but in a dome like tonight, from that far out, you almost have to kick it from the middle. It give you a larger target, and keeps the kick shorter.

by alwaysforgiven821 on Nov 23, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

never kicked, but...

i’ve played golf since i was a kid and taught it at UF during grad school…

from what i understand, the soccer style football kick is very similar to the golf swing in terms of physics. basically, in both, your distance comes from the amount of power you store in your hip coil during the backswing, and your trajectory comes from the plane your club/leg follows immediately preceding and following impact. given that the best golfers end up with a natural draw (i.e., a shot that curves slightly to the left or righties or sligthly to the right for lefties), I’d imagine that the same thing applies to the best kickers. i’m confident in this because (a) the same things that produce a bad slice in golf (i.e., deceleration in the downswing coupled with an outside-in swing plane) produce the dreaded wide-right shank in FG-kicking, and (b) the same things that produce a duck hook in golf (i.e., overacceleration in the downswing coupled with an inside-out swing plane) produce a duck hook in FG-kicking.

so my guess is that most really good kickers have a nartural draw on their kicks, and that kicking from the dominant-leg hashmark is probably a bit easier than from the opposite hashmark. however, given what people before me have said about (a) the geometry of the kicking angle, and (b) the non-spherical shape of a football, i’m pretty much concluding that the best spot isn’t the right or left hash, but a spot slightly to the right or left of center based on how much the distance affects narrowing of the goalposts for geometric reasons.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 23, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

great analogy!

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by dianemarie on Nov 24, 2009 5:32 AM PST up reply actions  

i think that more than whether or not it was straight on, the kicker would have appreciated the ball being closer and not having to kick it as far.

 from that far out does it really matter if it is centered or not? this isnt college where the hashes are so wide that it severely alters the kick being on a hash. why not just run a play and possibly get a lot closer?

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by TrojanCBB on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 PM PST reply actions  

It's been a L-O-N-G time since high school but

I always liked the ball placed at the left of center which would allow me to start it at the right upright with a slight draw. (hook to the left). That’s because I kicked with my right foot. You always have to take other factors into account as well. Wind direction, moisture in the air, etc. They all affect the flight of the ball. Dead straight is not the easiest.

To explain, if you aim at the center, you have half the distance between the uprights as your room for error in each direction. If you are a hooker, you aim at the right upright and with your natural hook, you have the entire distance between the uprights as your room for error.

The golf analogy was a good one but a bit too technical. I also played as a kid, started at 6, and played professionally until my late 50’s. Kicking is much easier.

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by kezarvet on Nov 24, 2009 5:41 AM PST reply actions  

Different kickers prefer different angles

Pro is a much more narrow hashmark, but as a right footed kicker I tended to like it a little to the left.

by whistlingmountain on Nov 24, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

Here's some more insight on this call
Before I get to the alternatives, a quick intermission about the actual centering of the ball. I apologize for breaking out the trigonometry on you. Centering the ball matters the most when you are closer to the goal posts, and it matters more in college where the hash marks are farther than six yards apart. It might make sense in some small marginal way if you are going to kick the game winning kick inside the 10. But it simply cannot matter at the distance for this kick. If you want to think of it like a triangle, with one point being the hashmark, one being the center of the field at the same yard marker, and the final point being the point on the ground directly below the upright meeting the crossbar, then we can see this is so. The distance (three yards) from the hashmark to the center is the base of the triangle, and from the center point to the crossbar/upright is the length. As the length of the kick decreases, the angle increases. In this case, a 3 yard base and a 49 yard length results in a 3.5 degree angle change on the kick. I’m inclined to say no effect, but convince me otherwise.

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by smileyman on Nov 26, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions  

It's all about finger strength...

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by 10forTech on Dec 1, 2009 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

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