Mike Singletary Approval Rating, Week 11
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Nov 24, 2009 7:00 AM PST
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We return for Week 11 of the Approval Ratings, and I can't imagine they'll turn out all that pretty. We're going to roll out ratings for Coach Singletary, OC Jimmy Raye and DC Greg Manusky over the course of the week, and given the team's performance on Sunday, I'm curious to see how far the ratings fall. Last week, Mike Singletary's rating rose from 81% to 88%% following the victory over Chicago. If ESPN.com is any sign, it's going to be a precipitous fall. This week has seen Coach Singletary's rating there drop from 84% to 66%.
We rolled out Singletary's Monday press conference transcript yesterday and it left some folks back on board, and other folks annoyed with the same old comments. At this point, I again can imagine that he probably made a decent amount of money when he was a motivational speaker. He even recognized when he was nearing that territory during his lunch money comments.
The issue I'm curious about in relation to Singletary relates to the offense. When I post the Jimmy Raye Approval Rating we'll discuss the issues of the idea of a spread offense, or shotgun spread, or whatever, in greater depth. For now though, I'm curious about how people view the offense at this point in terms of the overall philosophy in place. We've heard over and over that Coach Singletary wants a smash mouth offense that will punch teams in the mouth. They'll establish a strong running game, which would then open up the passing game. Of course, the offense has been most successful when trailing and forced to open up the passing game beyond this "smash-mouth style."
So I guess the question out of all of this is how much is Mike Singletary driving the offensive philosophy? People jump all over Jimmy Raye for some of his calls, but is this something he's being kind of pushed into by Singletary? We can't tell for sure what Singletary's influence is on Jimmy Raye because we're not insiders. It's possible Mike Singletary told Jimmy Raye upon hiring him that he's in charge, and Singletary then stepped out of the picture for the most part. It's also possible he's continued pushing this smash mouth philosophy, and Raye is not allowed to open it up as much. I'd imagine it's somewhere in the middle, but I'm curious what people think.
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end the singletary experiment
It’s time for Singletary to go. He dosen’t have a clue. Holmgren anyone?
the feeling is Holmgren will only come back as a GM
and Seattle has been rumored as of late as his destination
I heard Cleveland.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
it's all speculation at this point
but still I don’t see him coming here.
Fire Raye, promote Johnson, get a new OL coach. Acquire players to solve the glaring weaknesses of the team.
I think Sing is doing OK other than some in-game stuff.
I agree.. Foerster is the biggest problem along with the OL itself.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
No thank you
I hate recycling coaches. Plus he won a ring with “you know who”. It would be a bad trend to fire 1st year coaches.
Let's get the division!
Agree
I can’t put a good reason on it right now, but there’s (for me) and intangible difference between Coach Sing and Mike Nolan. Sing being to me is a good coach who is going through the customary trials and tribulations, Nolan was just bad with no redeeming qualities as a head coach. Can you tell how much I grew to dislike Nolan?
I voted NO...
for the first time. Because, Sing just can’t come to terms on what we are talent wise and instead still tries to force a style he thinks the Niners should be.
he did say they would look at what is working
and what the players are most comfortable with.
I think you’ll see them go more and more to the spread. Remember it was all but inconceivable that they would spread it out a few games ago. Now we’re seeing more and more of it.
They can’t just tip their hand to upcoming opponents though and say, “yes. from now on we will run 11 personnel out of the shotgun-spread”
I voted no for the same reason
I just feel that Sing is trying to force the players to play a game that’s not suited to them. You design around your team’s strength’s, not the skills you wish they had.
Could be just me. . .
But are we not seeing a trend here?? If I had a dollar for every statement I’ve read that is in some form like yours. . .
Ya think they’ll figure it out sometime in the not so distant future??
Specifics
Just to clarify, how is he asking people to play in a way not suited to them, in your opinion?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
i'm guessing he'll say
that we’re not spreading it out in shotgun enough…not going vertical enough, etc.
honestly I don’t know what this team’s strengths are sometimes. Sure we have great receivers but between the o-line, QB and return game…what would you do?
I think in this case it’s more “player” rather than “players”. We should by now know who is being referred to. Although I never saw him play in college, Smith more than likely rarely ever had to add the element of a drop back to his passing routine. Thus it made the process of surveying his receivers at least a little bit simpler, which made him appear successsful, which is what we seem to be seeing now.
The majority of observers see that if Alex is being asked to play under center the majority of the time, this is not suited to his natural style.
A debate worth having
I think the shotgun vs under center argument misses the point but that’s IMO. I certainly don’t think we’ve had s mash mouth game plan since the Rams game so Sing has made Raye adapt, plus gave him the QB with more skill set. No matter what is called, both Sing, Raye and Smith are hamstrung by a less than adequate line. I also think Sing is looking at the big picutre, which is trying to keep Alex from again being annointed teh savior. Having him throw 40+ passes every game, behind this line, will give us just as mnay Tennessee game results as it will GB and Houston second halves. Which then makes it all Smith’s fault along wtih exposing him to many hits from the defense and turnovers that ruin his confidence. Sing is trying to build him back up while giving the team a chance to win and the team a chacne to grow. He sees beyond this season as he should.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Singletary isn't seeing beyond this season..
He can’t even prepare the team well for the next game. Who are you trying to kid here? Yourself?
Well, we're waiting....
There's negative nancy
Not even 36 hours huh? Guess that “SpurredOn” banner above your bed isn’t enough to get you through the day.
See, when I read your posts and find myself disagreeing or spotting incorrect info I move on, since I expect no less from you. On the rare occasions you’re on point I also move on. But my little stalker needs me, so here you go: your argument below, about Sing getting blasted for only four wins and having less without Manusky, is disingenous on your part. I recall pre-season and your feelings about the Niners being a 5 or 6 win team based on talent. So if that’s the case, then four wins with six to go is pretty good right? Or at least on target. Because in your mind it was a talent issue not coaching issue. Yet you change the argument to fit the moment.
I’m sure you wake up every morning shouting at the sun for rising. Then shout again in the evening because it went down. Do better than this drummer.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
LOL..
Here is a clue: this is a blog. If you go ahead a read all my posts, they address a lot of other posters than you. If you think I stalk you, great. That’s one more thing you’re wrong about, like everything else.
Hey, it’s your head. You can pull it out of your ass anytime Bubba.
Well, we're waiting....
And now you go all shy
Cause your crush got called out. Along with your disingenious argument. This would be why debating with you is no fun. You don’t stay on topic, you make bipolar style arguments and worse, you do it with a negative and often insulting attitude. Then can’t take it when you get hit back. So small, so weak. And you’ll be back for more in less than 24 hours.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Ummmm...
If you really went back in my posting history here, you would see that I’ve been consistent in all of my opinions, like of Singletary, Raye, Hill, Smith, etc., and I’ve been dead on in my assessments of all of it.
You on the other hand, just likes to throw dung against the wall to see if it sticks.
That’s on you Bubba, not me.
Well, we're waiting....
drummer stalks anyone
who isn’t convinced that the Niners suck. If we were to go 15-1 in a season he would be upset that we lost the one game. If we won a Super Bowl he’d be upset that it was only on a last second FG instead of by 40 points.
I’m convinced that there’s nothing this team or coach could do that would make him happy.
Do any of you guys listen to KNBR often?? There’s a guy who calls often who goes by the name of “Salty”?? Hmmm. . . :)
LOL... Good knowledge!
Though Salty is too optimistic and consistent to be drummer.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I’ll say consistent, but optimistic?? I have to change the frequency sometimes when I hear his name being called!
I can find...
about 1000 posters on the Webzone that are “SpurredOns”, and 1000 more on .com.
Those places are where brain cells go to die.
Well, we're waiting....
Speaking of having fans..
Though you’re not one I’d brag about, feel free to stalk my name there all you want. I never visit those sites so you may obsess over all those “SpurredOns” as you feel the need. You’ll likely feel more comfortable there and perhaps they’ll enjoy salt.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
49erLou better file a restraining order..
I replied to a post of his here in this thread as well.
Bwah!
Well, we're waiting....
im already on the phone with my lawyer!!
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
He's not airing it out
He’s not letting Raye call the plays that give us the biggest chance to win. This offense can put up big points but it doesn’t until we’re behind and have to play catch up.
It just seems to me that for whatever reason this team works better under shotgun. I don’t know if it’s because Alex is more comfortable there, if we have different plays that are being called, etc., but it works.
Lets start out with what works for once instead of playing catch up with it.
Another dollar
I agree though. Even with the running game, the spread/shotgun whatever you want to call it can still work to Gore’s strengths. Running in that kind of formation is 99.9% of the time up the gut. How many times has Gore run on a toss or a sweep this season?? I think I can count that on one hand.
I'm with you
I’d like to see more variety in how Gore is used. But here’s what Singletary says:
Running out of the shotgun [formation] and running from under center is a lot different because particularly having someone like Frank Gore. When you have a running back like Frank Gore, he is a hit-the-hole-downhill guy. He’s not a fidget to the right and then give him the ball. When you’re in the shotgun, you’ve got to figure out some kind of way, you’ve kind of have to work together on how you step this way and he steps that way. It’s not like you’re under center, you’re going back, he’s going forward -he’s hitting that hole and you’ve this other guy running around here wrapping around the edge. No, it’s not like that. It’s different, you guys see what I’m saying? So it’s different for the running back. For the quarterback it’s great, but it’s different for the running back when you’ve got that kind of running back.
We'll see them again in the playoffs! What channel is it on?
Understood
Yeah I understand what he’s saying. It sucks, but it almost feels like Gore would not have the chance of getting the breakaway runs that he has if he runs out of the spread. But really the difference between the two formations is timing, and with Gore’s talent I think that can be mastered rather quickly.
voted yes but...
his in-game management leaves something to be desired. just some of the challenges and in-game decisions…he’s a great position coach, motivator, interviewee…but he could use some help with game-management.
I think he’s showing some wilingness to change, and we are, albeit slowly, evolving the offense. The most disappointing thing to me is the lack of discipline the team has at times. The bears game was penalties. They cleaned that up, but this week it was arm tackles, poor angles…I’d like to see a real clean game.
The challenge was a good call
It was worth challenging and he was going to use the timeout anyway. So if it’s not overturned, you lose the TO you were going to call. If it is overturned, they move the ball back and the clock stays stopped, thus a free TO.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
free timeout or save the challenge for a more appropriate time
I agree there was logic involved…but still not sure I like the call. I’ve also seen him challenge a play or two this year before anyone really looked close at the replay. Maybe he’s trying to have faith in his players ability to make plays…to show them he believes in them…but those are precious challenges.
Two things
Saving it wouldn’t matter since he had yet to use any and we were less than thirty seconds from the end of game 2-min warning, where all changes come from the booth not coaches.
As for challenges, I read an entry by Mike Sando back in September, I think, showing that coaches have a much higher challenge success when on the road and low when at home. His theory was that at home coaches feel more pressure from the crowd to challenage a play that looks questionable on the big video board but in reality is not worth the risk.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Little by little
I see a big differene in out team. Last year when we lose a game, it was pretty much like when we played the Falcons. I want the Niners in the playoffs, and I do believe they can make it. But you have to admit there are some big problems that has to be address in the offseason. If we got to spend the money, might as well get impact players. We have to solidify that O Line. No QB (or QB of the Future) will not be successful. We also need a young, fast Safety. The defense is playing awesome (majority of the time) but when they bend they brake. They need to rest and regroup like any other team. So let’s not throw new coaches under the bus, We do not want to start firing 1st year coaches like a “certain” team did.
Let's get the division!
We are getting better
Last year we were getting blown out in big games, we are still losing game but at least they’re close. Most of the time within the Vegas points even. I think we really just need to be consistent and fix the big issues (OL and Pass Rush). I think if those are fixed and we can be consistent it could be huge.
Look at the Packer’s last year, lost a ton of games but all by 2-3 points. This year they were media darlings for the Super Bowl and are a pretty solid team.
don't you sometimes wish you could Fast Forward the NFL?
I want to skip to the games ahead, watch them, skip to the next one, then once the season is over, skip to the newsworthy events for the team, free agency, the draft, then skip to OTA’s and Training Camp and start there.
as far as Raye goes
though I know we’ll have a thread for that later…
If we crap-can him…I really hope we promote Johnson so we can have some continuity. The team has made some progress…we can’t go back to the drawing board on offense with a whole new system. Transition it to where we want to go, agressively albeit…but don’t change the whole scheme of things overnight by bringing in a totally different system.
just read this interesting tidbit from Maiocco
that I didn’t know…guess I don’t follow the position coaches as well as I should.
" QBs coach Mike Johnson, who spent his year away from football last season completing his communications degree and learning more about the spread offense."
Don't feel too bad, nobody follows the Niners like Maiocco
He made all 70’s stakeout on the hotel during the Crabtree negotiations and broke the story about Hammer (in reality) closing the deal
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 24, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
oh I follow MM via tweets to my cell phone...
but I haven’t dug much into the position coaches…so unless he’s written it since training camp…it’s likely I didn’t know it.
I still want him as our coach.
I just don’t approve of the job he is doing right now. Our team looked totally unprepared to face the packers. Not acceptable in my eyes. 1st half should not have been so one sided.
The preperation is anything thing that's really bothering me
Coming off a bye week we had the first half in Houston…. coming out of a 10 day gap we had the first half in GB. It’s almost like the longer Sing and his staff have to prepare, the worse they play.
Most concerning
I agree. Firing is out of the question as he has changed the attitude and needs at least another year or two of working with Scott to draft/sign for the type of team he wants to build, but the best coaches can game plan for an opponent. I’ve seen no real signs of that on offense. It was a poor performance by the D this week, but they had a great plan against Indy and I think any indication of an offense (ball control and more than 3 and outs) would help show our defense as at least top 10. The offense just doesn’t seem to be adjusting to the defenses they are facing and from Raye’s comments, he doesn’t seem to want to. He always answers that ‘we do what we do best’ and maybe throw in a wrinkle or two… I don’t think that get’s it done in the NFL.
Right now .... no
That doesn’t mean I want him fired at this very moment. But he needs to show the ability to adapt during and between games much faster than he’s shown in his first 19 games. Jimmy Raye is on him … that was his guy. So it’s on him to make this work with the personnel we have. I’ll wait until the end of the season but if they are still trying to force a square peg into a round hole come late Dec the 49ers might be better off going in a new direction.
Point
It’s like they weren’t even trying to do that in GB, so aren’t Sing/Raye already showing that they’re moving away from that brand of offense??
Yes
Anyone who thought the niners were going to make the playoffs this year were kind of dreaming. We need to address the OL and DL. We get no pass protection and still have problems stopping the pass. We need to stop switching OF cordinators every year and stick to a plan. We need to open the offense up, but in order to do that the QB needs time. Until or OL gets better it wont matter
Smashmouth is relative
The only reason why I can’t see it is just because of the orientation of it, but why can’t the Niners play a smashmouth type of football even in a spread-type formation?? I can’t see much reason why they could not.
i say you can't define what style of football you're going to play
rather, you see what’s working throughout the game and do that. or be one step ahead of the defense and catch them off guard. that’s the problem. we don’t call the right plays at the right time.
Voted yes but....
I read that he said about trailing in games “My first emotion is anger,” Singletary said. “Anger because it doesn’t have to be like this.”
When I read that I’m thinking duh, our gameplan did not work with atlanta, did not work with tennessee, barely squeezed by with chicago, and fell on its face again in green bay. Obviously there’s a problem, so why do we keep banging our heads against the wall? We are only kidding ourselves thinking it might work on of these days( maybe with a new OL.)
But there's hope!
The coaches are having a meeting this morning. Sing said it on Murph and Mac. They should all be on the same page by the time this meeting is over!
Ok if you can’t tell by now that I’m being facetious. . . :)
It seems like the only time they'll be on the same page...
is on the classifieds.
by Steve Young on Nov 24, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
needs a “meh” category
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2009 10:01 AM PST reply actions
Big picture
Yes vote. Still six games to go and this team, despite teh furstrations of the past six weeks, is better than last season.
Small snap shot: I do not understand and thus would vote no based on this team playing poorly when given more time to rest and prepare. I don’t know if it’s coaching or lack of leadership amongst the players or both. But they seem to start slower in those situations, especially on offense (Houston, GB and even the opener in AZ).
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
My meh vote of last week..
Is now a No vote. Good teams win in OCT\NOV. This team can do better. This is on the HC. Sing gets a pass from the Homers here because they are, well, blind Homers. Any other coach would get blasted for only winning 4 games.
Without Manusky, this team wouldn’t have 4 wins. They would have only 2, if that.
Well, we're waiting....
Have to agree
I voted no for the first time.
That first half was hard to watch. I don’t care how developed the spread is, even if we have 5 plays it works better than our base.
One big Gore run for every 10 stuffs will not win us games, and it hasn’t.
Go spread- air it out- develop the receivers. Give the tired hurt line a break in the meantime. And hope we win a few on the way out.
After thinking things through a bit...
Imagine if just a few things had gone differently this year…
1) Favre doesn’t throw the miracle pass
2) Harrelson doesn’t allow Chris Johnson around the corner and into the end zone
3) Alex Smith doesn’t cough up the interceptions against Houston & Indy
This team could very easily be 7-3, and we would be talking about how great Singletary is and what a tough mindset he has instilled on the team. I realize that you can always make these kinds of projections for many teams, but in reality, these were not coaching mistakes.
He should share some of the blame for allowing these situations in games to arise, but he should also get accolades for keeping them close in nearly every game, except the Atlanta game. This is a very flawed team, and I think he deserves credit for making this team competitive week in and week out.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions
Nice logical approch.
That I happen to share.
by Natural Red on Nov 24, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Coming out woefully unprepared..
almost every game is costing the 49ers. That’s on the HC.
Well, we're waiting....
Owns up to it
Sing does take the blame for it though. He said it this morning on Murph and Mac & I give him the benefit of the doubt. I think the main thing now is he needs to “figure it out” , whatever that may be.
A Few Points
Let’s not expect too much out of Singletary in his first year. He’s never even been a coordinator, so he’s got a heck of a lot to learn. Does anyone remember Bill Belichick’s head coaching debut? After 12 years with the Giants, who won two Super Bowls with him as defensive coordinator, he took over the Cleveland Browns in 1991. In 5 years, the team had one winning season (’94). His record was 36-44 when they fired him.
I’ve been wondering whether Singletary’s comments about “hit ’em in the mouth,” “impose our will,” etc., really represent a strategy or are more of a statement of attitude meant to inspire the players to be more physically aggressive. Of course it’s hard to “hit ’em in the mouth” when you’re on your knees. Maybe it should be, “Hit ’em in the mouth! And if that fails, hit ’em in the small intestines!”
Smith himself says a full-time spread offense is not the answer. http://www.nfl.com/videos/san-francisco-49ers/09000d5d814664b3/49ers-postgame-press-conference
I believe him.
We'll see them again in the playoffs! What channel is it on?
It's an attitude
And one that coaches named Parcells and Cowher, to name a few, would agree with. Even Walsh believed in landing the first punch and being a split secon quicker, but there were no blogs or NFL Network in those days. The only reason the statement, which to my knowledge hasn’t been spoken publicly since last October, is even given any power is because of marketing. It’s not like he says it every day to the media or leads off every press conference with it.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Too bad the 49ers..
are getting beaten to the punch before they can counter.
Well, we're waiting....
No video
I went to look at the video and it said it’s no longer available. Sorry to ask, but can you or someone say what Alex’s reasoning was.
Also, it’s not like they would be running the spread completely full time, for whatever it’s worth. I don’t think they’d run it too often in situations of less than five yards to go for a 1st. And I think that’s what makes it so much more potent to run it because if you normally show a spread and then go under center in short yardage situations, there’s potentially a lot more you can do like use play action.
The link still works for me
Smith mumbles a bit, but essentially, he says the team isn’t prepared to run the spread, needs to be balanced and capable of doing different things. He calls the spread “impossible” and adds “I don’t think it’s about that. It’s about us executing.”
We'll see them again in the playoffs! What channel is it on?
Does he know what he says?
I wonder if Alex knows what he means by impossible. The wildcat is even more impossible. The wishbone is downright impossible which is why it’s never been run in earnest in the NFL (although I saw the Niners run it in the strike year in the late 80’s with replacements). The spread is the least impossible.
On the other hand, when he says it’s about us executing, I almost feel like he might be at least unconsciously calling out his OL. Essentially they need to step it up if Alex is truly convinced that the spread is impossible!
I guess I mischaracterized it
He said switching to the spread midseason is impossible. He seems to believe we might be able run it next year if we practice it.
I doubt he specifically had the line in mind when he talked about execution. But in my view, that is the biggest weakness. And you can’t really fix it by changing the formation.
We'll see them again in the playoffs! What channel is it on?
Agreed
Changing the formation does one thing, but it doesn’t fix the long term need. No matter what, it’s the NFL. You need at least a decent OL to win.
But about practice, we’re kind of in practice mode now with this season, there’s no better way to practice something than in a real game situation right??
Maybe not
It seems to me the spread elevates the risk of injury to the QB, particularly with a weak offensive line and particularly if you haven’t adequately prepared to play it..
We'll see them again in the playoffs! What channel is it on?
Interesting point
Just wondering, how would the spread elevate the risk? Most people tend to believe it automatically gives the QB a bit more time if not one less element to think about in his set up. Wouldn’t that lessen the risk?
My Thought
In the “I” you have two running backs to help protect the QB on passing downs. Gore is known to be very good at this.
We'll see them again in the playoffs! What channel is it on?
If a team has an identity crisis on offense...
with no real answers a few days before Thanksgiving, then there is some serious trouble.
Well, we're waiting....
Other than some relatively good first drives...
The offence falls asleep during a good portion of the first half and part of the third quarter.
Raye vs Singletary
So I guess the question out of all of this is how much is Mike Singletary driving the offensive philosophy? People jump all over Jimmy Raye for some of his calls, but is this something he’s being kind of pushed into by Singletary? We can’t tell for sure what Singletary’s influence is on Jimmy Raye because we’re not insiders. It’s possible Mike Singletary told Jimmy Raye upon hiring him that he’s in charge, and Singletary then stepped out of the picture for the most part. It’s also possible he’s continued pushing this smash mouth philosophy, and Raye is not allowed to open it up as much. I’d imagine it’s somewhere in the middle, but I’m curious what people think.
I imagine that Singletary probably gave Raye leeway to run the offense as he sees fit, within certain parameters. However, at some point the HC has to step in and say “Hey look, we put big points up on the board when we go vertical. Let’s get a bunch more of those plays called each game, rather than when we’re down by 21 points.”
If the OC isn’t getting it done on offense the coach has to step in and make the change in philosophy, which is why I voted no for the first time this year.
Coaches don't play
Yo everyone. Last time I checked, there’s 11 folks with helmets out there at a time and Coach Sing isn’t one of them….though if he were, we’d do a much better job tackling and stopping teams from holding the ball for 5+ minutes. But I digress. We have a young team, with another offensive scheme. It was perfectly logical to try and pound the ball and play D with Hill at qb. But now with Alex showing signs of why we drafted him, Vernon stepping up, Gore healthy and Crabtree, we have weapons on offense that we didn’t have, or didn’t plan on having early on. So just like you have to adjust if a star gets hurt, we now have to adjust based on an evaluation of the best way for the offense to score points.
Alex is right that you don’t just go from a running team to a spread offense team over a weekend. We show flashes of brilliance, but we aren’t consistent with it….yet. I trust that Sing and Raye will look at things and make changes as it makes sense. But you can’t overhaul everything overnight. And it’s not like all pro offensive linemen grow on trees. Things are turning around. We’re going to have to be patient. Realistically, this year was always looking like something between 7-9 and 9-7. That’s better than last season and 9-7 gets us in the playoffs. If we can finish in this window, then next year it’s reasonable to say we can get to 10-6 or 11-5 with a few tweaks and maybe a commitment to a more open offense. But with Sing at the helm.
voted no
tired of hearing the same cliche crap from Sing in the press conferences and not seeing it play out on the field. I’m not going to lie, I have been fairly optimistic throughout the season, even after the ATL and TENN losses, but after this weekend I am done. I am not optimistic about the rest of the season and if things don’t get better I won’t have much optimism going into next year either. I don’t think Sing needs to be fired (I don’t think ANY coach should be fired in his first year) but I do think he needs to seriously re-evaluate the Jimmy Raye decision and maybe look into replacing Forester
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
Careful Lou...
You’re starting to sound like me, and that get’s a lot of panties in a bunch here.
Well, we're waiting....
Weakest link
We are only as strong as our weakest link. FO needs work. OC needs to go and we need to fininsh games. Singletary is doing better than the previous. not by much but it has improved. unless we get the front office and coordinators straight. we will be a one quarter team as we have proved.
major brain fart but...
what the heck is FO again? Flailing Offense? Falling Over? Finding Offensivelineman?
I still have to be in the yes column.
Many of you blame the coaching staff for lack of preparation on both sides of the ball. They can be blamed for not adjusting to game situations quickly enough and sticking with game plans that don’t work on gameday. But the coaches are not short arming receptions over the middle wiffing tackles and missing blocks. I don’t think any of the coaches are saying " Go out there and play like shit ".
I dont think Free Agency is the way to go for the QB issue
Marc Bulger is pretty much dealing with the same problem in St. Louis. A terrible offensive line and a new playbook hes still taking in. Hes pretty much playing at the same level if not a lower level then Alex Smith. WhIle i still think Marc Bulger is a good QB…i dont think it will give the offense the boost most people will expect it will.
The money the 49ers would use there can be used on a lineman if any good ones appear in FA. QB should be addressed through the draft with a mid to early round pick (2nd or 3rd). The offensive line, and safety positions are top priorities in the short term. QB is more of a long term issue.
JUST GETTING MY POINT ACROSS
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"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"
I figured that was the case. And I agree to a point. I feel like if they let Alex go, he’s going to excel somewhere else and then we’re going to hear all the usual comments again about why didn’t we keep him from the same people who said we should let him go!
SEE
typo lol thats what im saying, all these threads i need someone to read mine and give me their opinion… i say get rid of Hill and keep alex…
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"
Voted No . . . for Mc Boo Foo
What new players does Singletary have compared to last years 7-9 squad? That’s right, Michael Crabtree is the only new impact player. For the most part Singletary has gotten more out Mc Boo Foo’s picks than Nolan but he doesn’t have enough talent to make this an upper tier team. It was always a .500 ball club which Singletary hoped to squeeze an extra W from to make the playoffs.
They are 4-6 against an above average schedule. They have improved but not enough to make a difference in the W/L column. If the front office can shore up the offensive line and add one impact player to help with the pass defense (either pass rusher and safety) than I will fully blame Singletary for the losses. It’s really hard to win with an atrocious offensive line, everything else has to be above par.
Right now I only have two gripes with coaching:
It’s obvious from the last game the huge problem with the 49ers offense isn’t the formations, it’s there willingness through deep. Teams that score points through deep down the middle and the 49ers have been to shy to take the risk, like in they never try it. AT LEAST A FEW TIMES A GAME AND NOT AFTER BEING DOWN 20 POINTS.
My other gripe is they should have been able to get one of these games: Minnesota, Atlanta, Houston, Indy and Green Bay . . . maybe I being greedy since they pulled out the Arizona and Chicago but that is blowing too many close games or winnable situations. GeoMak isn’t too far off base in his fan post. The Cardinals had two seasons just like this before putting it together. It’s been 10 games, the overreaction in dumping the coaching staff is a little high.
You've got a really good point
Winning games is just like running a business. You won’t succeed without taking risks. You’re definitely right in that sense, maybe the offense just isn’t taking the risks that they need to be taking and throwing deep more. That said, how can you throw deep with no time to do it? Sing/Raye just need to find a solution that addresses all that and do it. I almost don’t care anymore how, make like Nike and just do it!! :)
The offensive line can block 40-50% of the time on pass plays. The problem is how does the team maximize it’s return.
Throwing out patterns are not going to produce big plays. Michael Crabtree has to catch 4-5 out patterns on a drive for the 49ers offense to walk away with points. However, this what they have been trying, it doesn’t work. The offensive line cannot block for that many plays.
Deep passes over the middle produce 15, 20, 30 yard gains . . . even TDs. Sometimes the offense just needs to complete one to score. Even short passes over the middle produce more YAC than going to the outside. The problem is the risk is much higher for interceptions and giving up field position. The only time I see them try to throw down the middle is in the red zone to VD or when they are zOmg behind and have no choice.
On to something
I think you’re getting your point across. You notice last Sunday that the passes that were being completed were to the outside or in the backfield? You see where that got us, nowhere!
Logic
It’s all about getting the ball downfield isn’t it? Unless you have a group of monsters up front (which last time I checked, we don’t have), you’re not gonna get the ball downfield by throwing in the backfield, flats or with 3-5 yard out patterns.
What's more it takes the same amount of time
to throw the ball in a 5 yard crossing pattern as it does to throw a 38 yard TD pass.
Yup same amount of time, with a good pair of eyes. Wait, maye Alex just needs laser vision correction with Dr. Hyver! I wish it was only that.
Alex did it this game
The deep passes he threw for over 30 yards took 3 seconds from snap to release. Five yard pass attempts to VD also took 3 seconds. VD’s TD pass took 2 seconds from snap to release.
It’s not just that Alex doesn’t have enough time—it’s also that the play calling isn’t trying to stretch the field.
i noticed that too
i watched the highlights again yesterday and he dropped back, set, and fired on ALL of the long completions in the second half, 3 seconds on the mark, no more. The pocket didn’t have time to collapse because as soon as his back foot hit on the last step of the drop, he stepped and threw.
He committed to deep routes and just let it fly. Something needs to do earlier in the game. Plus, notice the pass protection seemed to get better with each long completion???
Those passes to VD are only 15-20 yard passes with barely a cut. It’s probably the same amount time to run that pattern as it is the 9 yard out to the sideline.
seam route
it’s just a go route with enough bend to get between the safeties, positioning.
the nice thing about the seam is that the safeties start to cheat it, leaving one on one on the outside.
this is why i keep clamoring for the pump fake. Maiocco once said on twitter that pump fakes only work on double moves. BS. Pump the short route or the inside route, the safety bites, then burn him. Ever watch Big Ben play? Guy pumps almost every pass play.
Alex did get a couple of those in
I think the pump fake comes with more comfort with your offense and more familiarity with what your receivers are doing.
I think Alex is making really good strides. Compare how he played at GB vs the TN game for example.
If you have an identity problem on offense..
A few days before Thanksgiving, then that’s on the HC.
They don’t even know who the hell they are.
Well, we're waiting....
I’d say the confusion is they aren’t what the HC wanted them to be. The offensive line regressed this season to the point of collapse.
There is no fix. Can continue to try to run and risk falling behind by 20 points by the half. The other option is to gamble and throw the ball which might give away more games like Tennessee. Either way, the offensive line is equally able to lose the games.
I get what you're saying..
But reading between the Singletary blurred lines, it pretty clear he doesn’t trust his offense, and that he hasn’t a clue of what he can do with it. The offense has no identity, and that’s an error of the FOP hiring an HC who screwed the pooch during his OC search. The 49ers needed a HC who knows offense, because that’s the area that needed the most work with the crap stable of QB’s on the roster. The offense is in full Schizo mode. That’s on the HC.
Well, we're waiting....
Just thought about this
The offensive dilemmas have also got to do with the conservative play calling and the inability to convert on third down. So if that’s the case, I think throwing more downfield earlier in the series when it’s less expected might make for more consistency. No one pays that much attention, but does anyone watch to see on what down the most successful plays happen on? I know one of the TD’s last Sunday was on 4th down, so other than that?
I can understand the bad 3rd down percentage. Lets see:
1. They cannot run in short yardage (pitiful)
2. There offensive line is awful at picking up blitzes (so 75% of 3rd downs are blitzes)
3. Defenses can roll coverage to VD and Crabtree cause no one else is capable of getting open. (the other 25% the defense doesn’t blitz).
On 3rd
I looked at Florida Danny’s blog a little bit ago and it looked like at least a couple of the successful plays were long passes on 3rd down. So it doesn’t really matter what down it is, they just have to have the cajones to do it!
when we're in the desperation offense
the formula is the more desperation, the more chance for success…probably because of the likelihood to risk more…3rd and 4th down=more desperation.
Vote No all you want...
If we had the Colts, Vikes, or Saints O-Line, Mike Nolan could coach us to a winning season and a 80%+ approval rating! Cant believe people want to see ANOTHER new coach… see now you got me using ALL CAPS! haha.
NINERS 4 LIFE
Ok laugh at me if you want
I know it’s because they didn’t see eye to eye, but what if Singletary had decided to go ahead and keep Martz as OC?? Would we be in this situation? Humor me, even literally if you want.
you're not the only one thinking that way
the knee-jerk reactions at this point have had a few clamoring for bringing Martz out of his NFL Network chair and back into SF.
Never gonna happen. I do wonder why they let him go though. He seems so easy going. Did he really straight up refuse to change the offense around to Sing’s liking or was it just getting rid of competition for the HC job in coming seasons? Someone who followed the team closer than I did last year has got to let me in on the thinking behind the firing.
I know he was trying to get the team to be a passing juggernaut when we didn’t have the personnel, but it also seemed like the philosophy changed once Sing took over and we did manage some wins. So again, was Martz really not capable or willing to alter his offensive approach or was it political?
Philosophy
Sing’s and Martz’s were very different and that’s what more than likely led to the firing. Obviously Sing wasn’t leaving as he just got in as HC. But most people in the organization should have been able to see that the notion of becoming primarily a running team might sound good initially when you’ve got the talent, but this isn’t Navy in the NCAA, it’s the NFL for crying out loud! If you can’t be a multi-dimentional team, you’re not gonna win! But Raye seemed the more likely candidate to be subservient to the type of offense Sing envisioned and that’s why Martz isn’t here. It kinda sucks people!!
the thing i hate the most about this
is the pride factor. rarely does a guy (if ever?) get fired from a team and ever come back. I can’t remember a time either where a HC accepted a demotion to Coordinator either.
I guess my point is that I think most of us would take Martz over Raye…though it aint gonna happen. And also that I like a lot of what Sing brings to the table, although I wonder if he’s got all the tools to be HC. Unfortunately guys don’t go backwards with the same team…
I still want him as my coach
Okay I still want sing to be my coach but I gave him a No for approval rating. Just the play calling horrid offensively if he is truly a head coach he needs to step in and fix this issue. No approval rating all day just so disappointed we should have realized by now that we score points in the spread. The moment we struggled we should have pushed for the spread. I don’t get it??? We will switch to the spread offense on a consent basis when its to late in the season just like in the game. Ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shanahan is out
BTW, I don’t want to hear anyone talking about Shanahan as OC. He looks to be going to Buffalo next year.
Voted no
for the 3rd straight time, the bears game was one good pass away from us being on a 5 game losing streak after the loss to the titans i would have to say bad coaching and alot of people blame the oline and smith ect. ect.. but we should have beat the colts, titans, and the vikings if it wasnt for the third down conversion that we didnt get because of poor play calling…that said remember people motivation doesnt win games good decicions do, it hink a guy by the name of bilichik has never been the motivational type…except for that stupid call with the colts..
"Im not a numbers guy, im a Football player"
-M.Crabtree
Voted yes
too many fair weather fans here.
This is Singletary’s rookie season. Even if this team finishes 8-8 (.500), it is still an improvement from the last 7 years.
I will wait to pass judgment if the team is not in sync by year end or mid-season of the 2010 season. Alot of rookie coaches don’t do well, unless you inherit the Colts or some team like that. Rex Ryan isn’t doing much better there either. I think they both will be good coaches. Possibly even McDaniels in Denver too.
Cut him some slack. Not even a full season and people want him out? Why dont you all wait at least until the end of the season to pass judgment?
I'm not saying that we need to fire him
To me as a fan it seems glaringly obvious where our strengths are on offense but for whatever reason we’re not doing that.
If Coach Sing would give us a straight up answer as to why, it would go a long way towards dispelling the dissatisfaction (at least for me).
In the press conference yesterday
he didn’t really say he was opposed to it. He just gave his usual vague answer by saying if we have to throw it 100 times a game to win, then we will and if we have to run it 100 times to win, then we will. Which to me sounds like thats what should have been the strategy from game 1. But sometimes as a new coach, you dont know exactly what you have on your team as far as talent in the regular season. So next year will give us a much more clear picture of what kind of coach he will be. Is he going to be below, average, or above? Only time is going to clue us in to that
Well my point is
that even in Nolans first year he was a rookie…we didn’t know he would be the coach he ended up being until his 2nd or 3rd year. A coach should always be given 2 years minimum to make an impact. Especially when inheriting a less than average team.
Give it time to pass judgment is all I am saying here. at least a full season. I think bignerd hit the mark with one of his posts above. The one titled Voted no…for Mc Boo Foo …or something like that.
In a 5th year of a rebuild...
You don’t hire a rookie HC with no coordinator experience. Especially when you have a rookie GM in place, and a VP with hardly a hair on his scrotum and just off his Momma’s breast.
Ted Robinson 2 years ago sat in for Ralph and T, and a caller was slamming 49ers fans for hating on Nolan. TR told him the bottom line was that coaches have to win games. Flash forward, and the rule still applies.
Well, we're waiting....
Well than blame ownership or whoever you want
but, like I said, its his (Sing’s) first year. Nobody knows EXACTLY what we have just yet. And nobody knew what to expect really with the exception of the momentum at the end of last year. If Sing doesnt produce playoffs next season or his 3rd, then I may consider wanting a new coach also. But without having a little bit of time, there’s no real, honest way to tell.
Shannahan his first year with the Broncos went 8-8 and in his 3rd or 4th year there took them to back to back Superbowls.
But...
Shanahan (who the Raiders gave up on) was behind one of the greatest offenses in NFL history, and won a Super Bowl with that great offense.
Let me put it this way: I’ll take Phil Jackson over Magic Johnson or even Larry Bird as coach. Even though Bird wasn’t that bad as a coach.
The FO can fail any coach. One scout to Maiocco he thought Nolan was a good coach, but the 49ers FO will never be able to set him up for success. Well, it seems they won’t for Singletary either.
Well, we're waiting....
Yeah but
who else was really out there to go after? Look at the coaches that came in to the league this year…
Do you mean the FO will fail him by not getting the personel he needs to be succussful?
Singletary...
is in a bad position right now as we speak because we know what he is up against. All of the holes on the team, the question marks, the lack of prior vision, heck, he really is taking over a mess. Add in the boy Jed, Mc Boo Foo…
My frustration as a die hard fan lies within the FO. I see the same patterns over and over again. Singletary is just another HC the Yorks hired. They didn’t even do due diligence when they did hire him. They don’t know what they have as a football team. This season really isn’t about Singletary. He isn’t that good to fix this crap. This season is about why they didn’t clean house before this season started. This is all a failure of the Yorks.
Well, we're waiting....
I think they just need to find an established/ proven guy for a GM
Like Shanahan or someone like that, that would be willing to come in and take initiative like the Dolphins did with Parcells. That would be the first step in the house cleaning I would do if I owned the team. Having a proven multiple SB winner in there gving advice and running things from the GM spot with some true knowledge of the game would certainly give Singletary a better shot.
I would even consider going after Charlie Weis as an OC if his head rolls in South Bend (which it seems like will happen soon)
Ya think the 49ers...
as a team have an identity crisis? The FO is where their identity lies. They don’t have a clue of thier own identity, thus parading Jed out there hoping he can emulate Uncle Ed instead of his doofus Father.
Denise York has her name engraved on a Stanley Cup. That’s weird considering the state of this team.
Well, we're waiting....
So is any coach who happens to have a losing season in their first year. It doesn’t really say a whole heck of a lot either way. Not yet, anyway.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Nov 25, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
The difference..
there is that Nolan was hired to overhaul a team as well as part of the Organization that was in turmoil. Nolan didn’t have the experience in any capacity to do that. The team still is in a bit of turmoil, and Singletary is continuum of the Nolan regime, with about the same amount of experience Nolan has, with a GN who is in his second year as GM who had never had that position prior, and the only reason he is GM now is because Nolan brought him in and the 49ers said they would hire one the year after the Hostler debacle. So there really is no plan for success. Just the same pattern of failure.
Well, we're waiting....
vote
Actually, a person can disapprove of the job Singletary is doing, but not want him fired. Some folks have said fire him (for whatever reason), but of the 30% who voted no, I bet many of them are not saying they want him fired at this point.
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I needed the clarification
The my post was meant for the other 10% that are rolling out the guillotine prematurely.
agree
I don’t understand the folks saying he should be fired either. But I’m on the fence as far as approving of things at this point. I voted yes for now, but the shine has certainly worn off at this point.
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Nov 25, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
From game 1 to game 10, I agree
but there is still 6 games left. I did not like the decision after reading up on it in the beggining of the season to hire Jimmy Raye but there wasn’t much else out there at the time.
If Jimmy Raye climbs out of the little box he has been in all year, my perception of him could change. I have more of a strong opinion about him because of his track record. This is Sing’s very first year, so, I will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
The Falcons game is when things began rolling downhill.
I think Fooch hit the nail on the head by saying the shine has worn off. Maybe a better analogy than:
Games 1-10…can deserve a No approval.
And that's fair...
I think even a person like Singletary knows he has to do better.
Well, we're waiting....
Singletary is also a shiny new toy
and the shine is wearing off.
However, even if we go 8-8 he’ll get my confidence going into next year. If we go 9-7 I’ll be ecstatic because that will be the first winning record for this team in 7 years, and only the 3rd in the last 10.
5 years into a rebuild...
you should have at least a 10-6 record in the NFCW. If you don’t?
Well, we're waiting....
It's not 5 years into a rebuild
not with this HC.
It’s half of last season and half of this.
Singletary is just starting his rebuild. You can argue that the FO and the ownership of the team have no idea how to run a franchise I’d probably agree with you, but that’s not Singletary’s fault.
It's not Sing's fault...
But Sing isn’t that good to overhaul it either. Heck, he has been dead wrong in his vision of it this season. How? The 49ers are a passing team. He still thinks he can evoke they Year of Turner, without Larry Allen.
Just think of the 49ers stood fast and drafted Oher. He is the next Orlando Pace. I love Crabtree though. But a potential franchise LT is way better.
Well, we're waiting....
What does NO mean?
“Do you approve of the job Mike Singletary is doing as head coach?”
Does it have to mean Singletary should go. Or can it mean only, “I don’t like the way the team was handled in the last game.”
approval rating
I’ve never really determined what it should encompass. It lessens the value by having multiple visions of it, but I suppose it can cover what people think about Singletary’s job the previous game, or how they feel about him from a general perspective.
by David Fucillo (Fooch) on Nov 24, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps,
But I voted no only because I hated the offensive game plan exhibited in the first half against GB
Then you should have
reserved your “no” for Jimmy Raye. At least, if that is your only reasoning for the “no” vote.
I dont know…to each their own.
I guess I think,
That Singletary is at least somewhat responsible for Raye’s decisions, game plan, and just being the OC. He is in charge and gets both credit and blame, which ever applies.
I voted yes
Only because I think he has done a good job over the course of the season, not because I like what he did last week. However, I have a feeling next week will be a big factor in whether or not my vote changes, after the success out of the shotgun against the Packers I hope we see a different offensive look.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 27, 2009 1:21 AM PST reply actions
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