Week 11 Statistical Matchup Review: 49ers @ Packers
AUTHOR'S NOTE: I totally forgot to mention when I laid out the new schedule last week that I'll be posting a matchup review article every Tuesday. So, basically, my posting schedule will have you getting sick of me in no time. Just wanted to warn you.
Welcome to the first installment of my weekly matchup review articles in 2009. As I said last week, the format of these posts should be familiar to you if you were around last season. If not, the basic idea of this post is to look back at Sunday's (or Thursday's or Monday's) game, and see how the 49ers did in each of the key matchups I identified prior to the game.
Despite what some might think, I'm not an insider at Football Outsiders (FO), so I don't have access to the exact equation for DVOA or any of their other stats. Therefore, in my matchup review, I won't be saying, "Here's what DVOA said going into the game, and here's their actual DVOA for this matchup during the game." Instead, I simply look back at the play-by-play, aggregate the raw numbers for each matchup, consider the specific game situations that might have affected the numbers, and offer a quasi-objective evaluation of the Niners' performance in the matchups.
So, with the aims and methods revealed, it's time to review the matchups.
TEAM MATCHUP # 2: SF OFFENSE VS. GB DEFENSE ON 3RD AND LONG
For the moment, I'm going to ignore Team Matchup #1 (i.e., SF OFF's in-season trend vs. GB DEF's in-season trend) because I'll actually be able to give you the DVOA stats on that one once FO posts them this afternoon. So instead, I'll begin with Team Matchup #2. As you'll recall (See here if you don't), my bottom line about Team Matchup #2 was that the 49ers' OFF needed to perform a lot better than expected on 3rd & long because (a) they've sucked at it this season, and (b) GB's DEF has been awesome at it. Specifically, GB's DEF had a mind-blowing 119.3% DVOA advantage going into the game. So how did the Niners do? Based on the play-by-play, below is a table showing the game time, field position, play, and result of every 3rd & long the 49ers' OFF faced on Sunday (successful plays are in bold):
|
Distance |
Yardline |
Quarter |
Time Left |
Score |
Type of Play |
Direction |
Play |
Yards |
|
7 |
SF 19 |
1 |
1:43 |
SF 3 - GB 6 |
Pass |
NA |
Smith sacked |
-2 |
|
7 |
SF 23 |
2 |
11:25 |
SF 3 - GB 6 |
Pass |
Short Right |
Incomplete to Bruce |
0 |
|
19 |
SF11 |
2 |
8:08 |
SF 3 - GB 13 |
Pass |
Short Right |
Complete to Crabtree |
6 |
|
9 |
SF 20 |
2 |
2:00 |
SF 3 - GB 20 |
Pass |
Short Left |
Complete to Davis |
4 |
|
10 |
GB 36 |
3 |
12:12 |
SF 3 - GB 23 |
Pass |
Short Left |
Complete to Hill |
8 |
|
20 |
GB 38 |
3 |
7:35 |
SF 3 - GB 23 |
Pass |
Deep Left |
Complete to Crabtree |
38TD |
|
8 |
SF 14 |
3 |
2:29 |
SF 10 - GB 23 |
Pass |
Short Right |
Incomplete to Davis |
0 |
|
10 |
GB 24 |
4 |
10:42 |
SF 10 - GB 30 |
Pass |
Deep Middle |
Complete to Davis |
24TD |
After the jump, I'll discuss why this table means one of two people needs a stern talking-to, and I'll review the rest of the matchups...
Just to remind you, a 3rd-down play is only considered successful if it achieves a 1st down. For this reason, 3rd & long plays tend to be particularly unsuccessful, so the 49ers' 25% success rate isn't actually all that bad. And given that they scored 2 TDs on 3rd & long, I'd say their performance in this matchup was, on the surface, better than expected. However, there are two below-the-suface patterns in the table that help uncover why their success in this matchup didn't end up helping the 49ers actually win the game.
First, you'll notice that both successful plays came in the 2nd half while losing by 20 points. As Mike Singletary hinted at during his Monday press conference, and contrary to Brian "I can't bring myself to say Michael Crabtree didn't drop it, no matter what the video evidence shows" Billick's assertion during the game, it's simply easier to have success on OFF while on the wrong side of a 2nd-half blowout than it is otherwise. Maybe, as Billick pointed out, GB wasn't playing a true prevent DEF at the time, but, I'm sorry, only the very best teams/players maintain high motivation/focus when they have that big of a lead that late in the game (See 2007 Week 8: Patriots 52, Redskins 7). Packer coaches may not have been calling passive defensive formations, but that doesn't mean Packer players weren't playing passive defense. So, given the score and game time when the 2 TDs occurred, I have to discount their impact on the overall evaluation. Therefore, the Niner OFF's grade on 3rd & long goes from something like a C to a D; still better than expected, but not a lot better. And, as I said in the preview, they needed to play a lot better than expected on 3rd & long in order to have a good chance of winning the game.
The second devil in the details is something of a pet peeve for me. Namely, their only 2 successful plays coincided with the only 2 times Alex Smith actually threw a 3rd & long pass beyond the first down marker: all 6 failures were to "short" routes, whereas the 2 successes were to "deep" routes. Now, I'm not going to affix 100% of the blame on Jimmy Raye for this. He could easily be calling 3rd & long plays with medium-to-deep primary receivers, only to have Smith - for whatever reason - check down to shorter secondary receivers when actually executing the play. Only people with access to the play calls, a candid Alex Smith, and the coach's game film -- people otherwise known as members of the 49ers roster and coaching staff - would know exactly on whom the blame lays. Nevertheless, blaming people isn't going to change anything. What matters most is that the 2009 49ers OFF is currently burdened with either (a) an offensive coordinator who has a tendency to call for short routes on 3rd & long, or (b) a QB who has a tendency to throw short passes on 3rd & long. So either one, or both, have to be dealt with going forward. Otherwise, we'll be seeing a lot more of this ineptitude on 3rd & long.
TEAM MATCHUP # 3: SF OFFENSE VS. GB DEFENSE IN THE FIRST QUARTER
Only two words necessary here: Nailed it! OK, one self-aggrandizing statement from me isn't fair to you, so I'll actually go to the trouble of discussing something that honestly requires no more discussion than those two words.
By now, you probably already know the overall 1st quarter stats: 54 rushing yards, 0 passing yards, 1 sack allowed for -2 yards. Here are some more advanced stats for you:
- 6.5 yards per play including Frank Gore's 42-yard run, 1.7 yards per play omitting Gore's run
- 2 successful plays from scrimmage, 6 unsuccessful plays
- Time of possession: 3 minutes, 37 seconds
- Smith's QB rating for the 1st quarter: 39.6
All in all, that's not playing OFF in a way that overcomes your matchup disadvantage. Yeah, you can say that the score was only 6-3 Packers at the end of the 1st quarter, and that Gore's run should mean more than what I'm allowing, but neither of these things overshadows the clear slow-starting trend for the Niner OFF. Neither can overshadow the fact that the 49ers are averaging only 3.6 points per game in the 1st quarter, and have scored 0 points in the 1st quarter - that would be 4 times - more often than they've scored 7 or more - that would be 3 times.
I've said it before and I'll say it until I'm six feet under. Good teams regularly take an early lead on their opponents, and early leads on the road are huge. Of course, you might say, "Well, it's not like the Niners aren't trying to score in the 1st quarter." On the contrary, I'd actually say they are, in fact, not trying as hard as they should be to score in the 1st quarter. Don't believe me? Here is the play selection for the 1st quarter against GB: pass short right, run up the middle, run up the middle, end around, run up the middle, run up the middle, pass short right, pass play but sacked.
Here's the problem, fellow Niner fans. Our beloved team seems to have a game strategy that's in diametric opposition to game theory, statistical research, and Bill Walsh, all of which suggest that passing the ball is more successful than running the ball, and therefore that teams should pass the ball early to get a lead, but then run the ball late to preserve the lead. Want a perfect example of this utterly-obvious, yet often-ignored winning strategy? Look no further than Sunday's opponent.
The Packers threw the ball on 2 of their first 3 plays, and on 10 of their first 17 plays in the 1st quarter; a slight skew towards passing the ball resulted in a 3-point lead at the end of the 1st. Did they start running it to preserve the lead at that point? Quite the opposite: a Patriots-esque 24 of GB's 26 plays from scrimmage in the 2nd quarter were passes, with the 24 passes coming from one 14-consecutive-passes stretch and another 10-consecutive-passes stretch to end the half. What happened? A 3-point lead ballooned to a 20-point lead in a matter of 15 minutes.
So, to recap, 34 of GB's 45 plays in the 1st half were passes (they had 2 running plays to finish the 1st quarter that I didn't mention above), and they ended up with a 20-point lead going into the locker room. Meanwhile, throughout the 2nd quarter, the Niners continued to run up the middle and throw short passes, which led to a 20-point halftime deficit. Hopefully, you get the idea: pass early to take a lead.
Now for the endgame. In the 3rd quarter, 6 of GB's 14 plays were runs; not run-heavy, but definitely less pass-heavy than their 1st half imbalance. And in the 4th quarter, low and behold 9 of the Packers' 15 non-kneel-down plays were runs. Putting these together, GB's play selection during the 2nd half was 52% run, as compared to their 1st-half play selection, which was 76% pass.
I use the Packers as an example, not to distort general evidence by citing an exceptional anecdote, but rather because the anecdote is fresh in our memories and summarily fits the general evidence. The fact of the matter is that, as long as the 49ers come out running the ball up the middle and throwing short passes in the 1st half, they're not going to build the kind of early lead that a running back like Gore and a DEF like theirs are perfectly suited to preserve. Furthermore, as the Packers example shows, a 3-point lead in the 1st quarter does not represent grounds to shift into lead-preserving, run-baby-run mode. Look no further than to their losses against the Vikings, Titans, and Colts to see how much a slim first-half lead is not a lead at all.
My point here is that, rather than starting each game with a series of up-the-middle runs and short passes, the 49ers need to instead pass the ball frequently during the first half, and continue to pass - preferably down the field - until they've built a comfortable lead. Then, holding a comfortable lead in the 2nd half, that's when Gore should become the focal point of the offense. Unfortunately, Jimmy Raye, and I suppose Mike Singletary, seem to think winning means doing the opposite. Unlike the 49ers' problems on 3rd & long, I do blame Raye/Singletary 100% for this one because they're the ones that put in the game plan and author the 15-play script. I'm sorry, but, when the script isn't working, it's time to start editing on the fly. A screenplay with a lot of early action, climaxing in a massive butt-kicking, and ending with an uneventful dénouement is what the studio execs are looking for.
TEAM MATCHUP # 4: SF OFFENSIVE LINE VS. GB DEFENSIVE FRONT 7 ON UP-THE-MIDDLE RUNS
In detailing this disadvantage for the 49ers' OL in their matchup with the Packers' defensive front 7, I cited each unit's Stuffed Rate and Up-The-Middle ALY. So how did the Niners' OL fare on Sunday in these two areas?
Well, in terms of having their runs stopped for zero or negative yardage, SF's OL had 2 such plays on 8 RB carries, for a Stuffed Rate of 25%, which nailed the expected rate right on the nose (Aside: Where's the dude who says stats can't predict anything?). Therefore, on this stat, we'd have to say the OL didn't overcome its disadvantage.
With respect to C/G ALY, the Niners' OL contributed 13 unadjusted line yards on 5 RB carries, good for a magical average of 2.6 unadjusted line yards per carry. Of course, they were going against the 8th-best defensive front 7 in the NFL, so we can kind of adjust this upward in our minds to something around 3.0 to 3.5. Oh wait, that hits the expected number on the nose again (Aside: C'mon, show yourself Mr. Stats Naysayer!). So again, the OL didn't overcome it's disadvantage.
All in all, my overall view on this matchup is that the 49ers' OL didn't overperform they way that they needed to going into the game, but the game played out in such a manner that they really didn't need to overperform in the first place. Indeed, when a team only has 8 RB carries in a game, it's kind of obvious that the run-blocking performance of their OL was not a major factor in the result of that game.
TEAM MATCHUP # 5: SF DEFENSIVE FRONT 7 VS. GB OFFENSIVE LINE ON LEFT-SIDE RUNS
In the preview post, my bottom line for this matchup was that the 49ers had a general advantage when GB runs to the left side of their formation, but especially when they run to the outside left (GB OL ALY = 2.87 yards per RB carry; SF defensive front 7 ALY = 2.71 yards per carry).
In Sunday's game, the defensive front 7's Unadjusted ALY on left-side runs was 2.62 yards overall, and their Unadjusted ALY on GB runs to the outside left was 2.43 yards per RB carry. Given that I'm not privy to FO's opponent adjustments, we just have to wing it here, and say that we probably need to adjust these raw numbers upward just a little because the Packers' OL was near the bottom of the league on such runs going into the game. Doing so leads to the conclusion that the Niners', once again, played about as well as expected in the left-end/left-side run-stopping matchup.
Unfortunately, like the 3rd & long matchup, left-end run-stopping on Sunday was another case of the Niners' devil being in the details. Specifically, GB's two longest RB carries during the game were both on runs to the outside left, and they both came at the most inopportune times. The first was a 26-yard carry by Ryan Grant on his first outside-left run of the game, and the second was a back-breaking 21-yard Grant carry with 2:51 left in the game, which allowed GB to salt away the game for all intents and purposes. So basically, the Niners' defensive front 7 took a favorable matchup, and turned it into a non-trivial contributor to the loss. On this week of Thanksgiving, a good analogy for the Niners performance in this matchup is screwing up the turkey. After 57 minutes in the oven, the 49ers had a beautiful, juicy bird, but those last 3 minutes of cooking time ended up turning it into bad eats, and having their fans reaching for the sweet potato casserole.
PLAYER MATCHUP # 1: VERNON DAVIS VS. GB PASS DEF
Going into the game, I wanted to see whether the Niners' OFF would be able to "impose its will" in the passing game by getting the ball to Vernon Davis despite GB's prowess when it comes to defending TEs. Of course, just looking at the stat line (12 targets, 9 yards per target, 18 yards per catch, 3 FDs, 1 TD), you'd have to say VD exceeded expectations overall. However, going inside the numbers, you realize that SF's utilization of VD did not resemble "imposing its will" in the slightest. That's because 11 of VD's 12 targets came during the 2nd half. Furthermore, VD did not have a pass thrown his way until there were 2 minutes left in the 1st half. In other words, SF's OFF basically ignored VD for the first 28 minutes of game time.
I'm not going to beat the proverbial dead horse here, but this is not winning football. Not even attempting to get the ball to a player who's #3 among TEs in targets for nearly the entire first half is an epic fail from a strategic standpoint; an epic fail that compounds the OFF's previously described epic fail with respect to 1st-half passing.
The sickening thing is that, once they started throwing the ball to VD in the 2nd half, he was incredibly productive. To me, that's the most frustrating part of watching this OFF. It's like they stubbornly implement their short pass and up-the-middle run game plan until they're (un)comfortably behind in the game, then the light comes on and they play efficient NFL OFF, only to revert back to their Hostlerian game plan to start the following game. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Despite what Mike "aw shucks, I don't know what you're talking about" Singletary might be saying during his Monday press conferences, I have to believe that the coaching staff notices this pattern. It goes without saying that they know more about football than I (or any other sentient Niner fan) do. So the question that needs to be asked is not, "Mike, why don't you use the spread more?" Rather, it's, "Mike, why do you play OFF backwards?" or, "Mike, why does Jimmy Raye only call an NFL-caliber offense when the score forces him to?" I hate to break the news to Mike, but it's not only the players who don't show up for all 60 minutes of the game; it's also the aptly named "offensive" coaching staff. Matt Barrows seems to agree with me on this point.
PLAYER MATCHUP # 2: DONALD DRIVER VS. SF PASS DEF
I said going into the game that SF's pass DEF needed to either prevent Driver's catches from hurting them in crucial situations or prevent him from catching the ball in the first place. His stat line for the game (8 targets, 5 yards per target, 8 yards per catch, 2 FDs, 0 TDs) suggests they succeeded in limiting the damage. What makes their performance against Driver even better was that none of his targets came on 3rd down or in the red zone. In other words, they played a perfect game when it came to preventing Driver from touching the ball in crucial situations.
Unfortunately, stopping Driver doesn't mean much when you decide not to cover his counterpart, Greg Jennings, in general, but specifically in crucial situations. Overall, Jennings had 7 targets, for 18 yards per target, 25.2 yards per catch, 3 FDs, and 1 TD. That's pretty bad pass DEF from the Niners against an opponent's #1 WR. However, what's worse is that 4 of Jennings' 7 targets came on 3rd down, with these targets resulting in 3 catches for 3 FDs. So, in the end, their perfect performance against Driver was offset by their nearly (im)perfect performance against Jennings.
BOTTOM LINE
Based on their performance during Sunday's game, here are the main matchup-related reasons why the 49ers lost to the Packers:
- The OFF didn't overcome their disadvantage on 3rd & long because they didn't actually throw the ball beyond the 1st-down marker until the game was basically out of reach.
- Their OFF once again came out of the locker room with a Hostlerian play-calling philosophy during the 1st quarter.
- When it actually mattered, the defensive front 7 failed to exploit their advantage on GB runs to the outside left.
- The OFF didn't throw the ball to their high-target TE during the first 28 minutes of the game.
- Their pass DEF offset a highly efficient performance against Driver with a highly inefficient performance against Jennings.
Coming up tomorrow, an evaluation of how the Niners played against the Packers according to Singletary's Formula for Success.
*DVOA and ALY statistics used to produce this article were obtained from Football Outsiders.
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Damn good post Danny.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 24, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You nailed it
The sickening thing is that, once they started throwing the ball to VD in the 2nd half, he was incredibly productive. To me, that’s the most frustrating part of watching this OFF. It’s like they stubbornly implement their short pass and up-the-middle run game plan until they’re (un)comfortably behind in the game, then the light comes on and they play efficient NFL OFF, only to revert back to their Hostlerian game plan to start the following game. Wash, rinse, repeat.
This has been the most frustrating thing about watching this team. We have the talent but the coaching philosophy needs to change.
Regarding the second half—by my count GB blitzed us 16 times. I find it a bit hard to believe that they were playing passively with that kind of statistic.
I am no expert
but the announcers noticed the VD was catching the ball (in the 2nd half) only when covered by a S or LB instead of one of the good GB corners… i also think the check-down passes on 3rd-and-long are not so much bad play calls as good defense. There might have been one or two “give up” screens in there.
And why not blame the defense for giving up 17 points in the 2nd Quarter? Not to mention the Offensive ZERO the team put up then. I mean, the first quarter was not well played to be sure, but down 6-3 or 3-0 (or tied) one can at least IMAGINE that you can force the packers to play your game. After the 1st Quarter – they should have tossed the game plan and been happy they were only down 3. Instead, they let the Packers run up the score (“they” being the offense, which did zilch, the defense which was porous, and the coaching that didn’t adjust), and THEN changed the plan.
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didn't...
mention the defense’s overall contribution to the loss because this was a review of the key stat matchups i identified prior to the game. i did mention their poor performance in the 2 relevant matchups though.
one other thing…satisfaction with being down 6-3 at the end of the 1st qr is exactly the kind of mentality that this team needs to shed…and quickly.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Satisfaction with 6-3.
I don’t think zenbitz was endorsing the 49ers’ version of being “happy” they were only down 6-3. I think zenbitz was suggesting that they should feel lucky they were only losing by three with that horrid opening gameplan and that they should have scrapped it then in hopes of starting something more.
looking back at what zenbitz said...
it sounds like he meant that the niners were right to be plodding along with their horrible gameplan during the 1st quarter as long as they were down by 3, but once they got down by more, they should have scrapped the gameplan and opened it up.
i guess my point is that they should never be plodding along because they’re only down by 3. they should be trying harder to score during the 1st quarter no matter the score, during the 2nd quarter no matter the score, etc., until they’re comfortably ahead. only then should they plod along. coming out in that plodding OFF to begin with is where i think they’re going wrong, and sticking with it just because the game is still close only compounds the error.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 25, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not letting the defense off the hook
but we started moving the ball well in the 2nd half even with the coverage. Harris wasn’t hurt until the 4th quarter and Crabtree’s TD came in the third.
Crabtree's TD...
… was an amazing play by a young player. I don’t think the coverage could have been any better (and Crabtree kind of got away with a slight shove there, I think).
I don't even know why I made that comment/reply.
Maybe I was implying that the offense got lucky there or something.
It was hard for our defense to get sacks on “the worst” O-Line in the NFL because our D wasn’t on the field the same time our offense was.
by brianmc27 on Nov 24, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Danny, is this your litmus test answer for the week?
Failing against Jennings while succeeding against Driver
Let me ask you this, if the coverage was 12 yards off both Crabtree and Bruce than who would you throw to the entire game? The 49ers left both Jennings and Driver open but the Packers wisely chose to throw to their better receiver.
agreed...
they’d throw to crabtree every time. the point i was making in the post was that, even though they had basically the same # of targets (driver actually had 1 more), jennings was the one that ended up doing the damage in crucial situations; presumably because the niners pass D was focused on preventing jennings from getting the ball in those situations. after all, they must have known driver’s 3rd-down stats going in…just like we did.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't vote - Hats off as Usual Flo-Rida
Only because I feel the early three and outs has once doomed us again. Not using the playaction after the run. After Gore’s run we should have spread the field to get to the redzone, we need agressiveness when we get to the 50, especially after a run like that because we don’t get a lot of them.
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haha...
i’d say about 25% on 3rd & long ;-)
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
yes...
here’s the link to last year’s SB preview
thanks for giving me the opportunity to look back at this post…i pretty much nailed it at the end when i said
if the playoff ARI team plays this game, it’s going to be a closely-contested affair that goes down to the wire, with some random event deciding the outcome
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
they love me...
because i haven’t had the time to sit down and do a methodologically sound analysis that would give me the long-term edge…i’ve fiddled around, but i’ve learned this year that the difference between being able to explain something retrospectively and predict something prospectively using DVOA are two animals altogether. every season, i say i’m going to get to the system-making during the offseason, and then the offseason comes and i put it aside. maybe this offseason will be different, and next year i’ll beat my man’s ass, as they say.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
DVOA for prediction vs review
I think that’s where the usefulness of DVOA kind of wavers. It’s nice to be able to look back and compare teams and why one may have succeeded while another one failed. I think the reason why it’s difficult to use DVOA as a predictor is because (at least season-to-season) I think that the values that are used to adjust for defense and such aren’t constant. They just can’t be if you want an accurate depiction of how teams did in a given year. Also, as a rule (like most other statistics), DVOA during the course of a season is only at it’s strongest at the end of the dataset, so using current season DVOA to predict upcoming games still has the potential for a ton of error.
I’d definitely be interested in how your “work” on this stuff, if it happens, turns out.
haha...
just found another “nailed it”…
ARI could also just throw deep to avoid the red zone altogether. Given Larry Fitzgerald’s prowess in that regard, it’s actually not such a bad idea.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
The Packers are better at being the Niners than the Niners are.
Bill Walsh is turning it his grave. The Bears had how many good seasons compared to the Niners? And we are doing what? A losing season means what?
At some point the packers lost:
their best pass rusher (#74) and their second best pro-bowl cornerback.
I am not saying it made a huge difference, but I haven’t noticed anyone mentioning that and I wondered if that might have diminished the pressure on AS and diminished the coverage enough to make a difference? Any thoughts on that?
Also, my impression from some Green Bay talk was that VD did the most damage when he was not covered by Woodsen, and that that was a mistake on their part.
That's about it.
Obviously, once Al tore his knee apart, you can’t keep Woodson in the roving-safety-corner-linebacker spot, but putting anyone else but Woodson on Davis was plain foolish. (Says the fan who has no idea whether Crabtree or Morgan would have had those long gainers instead.)
Kampman went out in the middle of the 3rd
Harris was out in the middle of the 4th. (The order of the injuries might be reversed but that was the time frame).
Which of the following matchup performances
was the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT reason for the 49ers’ loss to the Packers on Sunday?
I didn’t vote because you left off the obvious answer:
The ineffectiveness of the 49ers oline in slowing down the GB pass rush in the 1st half.
Did you get bored with that? (I know it is the same every week…)
regarding Vernon Davis utilization:
Excellent post by the way. I just reread what you wrote about VD not getting the ball early and want to restate what I heard about that for your response.
Basically that is that he was taken out of the game by Woodsen and that it was only when he was not covered by Woodsen that he (VD) was effective. Does that agree with your analysis. That would suggest that it was when GB changed coverage, perhaps unwisely, that he got engaged and was perhaps out of the control of the 49ers coaches. (And instead dictated by the GB defensive scheme). I did not do the close analysis to establish this myself, but wonder if this gibes with what you saw?
again...
something you’d have to have access to the game film to really find out the answer to given that they generally don’t show a replay during the game telecast when a guy is not the target of the pass…unless they happened to show a montage of his routes to illustrate why he wasn’t getting the ball. but i don’t remember them doing that during the telecast. oh wait, i do remember them replaying that “ducking VD” play where smith threw the INT. i’m sure the defender’s in that shot, but don’t know how many 1st-half shots they might have shown, so it’d be tough to get both sides of the woodson vs. other argument.
it’s very well possible that VD’s emergence in the 2nd half coincided w/ woodson being taken off of VD duties. i can’t imagine though that GB would have stuck with that too long given how VD immediately shredded them to start the 2nd half. harris’s injury might have complicated things to the point that they couldn’t go back to woodson on VD because they felt it was more important to shut down 1 WR at that point in the game than to continue shutting down VD while letting 2 (or more) WRs go against backup CBs.
also, just from a statistical perspective, my main point is the difference in targets, not necessarily the difference in production. obviously, if VD isn’t getting thrown the ball, he can’t be productive. in that case, 1 target in the first half vs. 12 targets in the 2nd half, and 0 targets in the first 28 minutes vs. 13 targets in the last 32 minutes, can’t possibly be explained fully by woodson vs. non-woodson. if the niners wanted to “impose their will” on GB, they would have gotten the ball to VD early and often come hell or high water. that’s kind of what “imposing your will” means: they know we want to get him the ball, the fans know we want to get him the ball, and they still can’t prevent us from getting him the ball.
so, my short answer is…if the woodson vs. non-woodson thing is true, it probably had an impact (in terms of targets) that didn’t outweigh the impact of niner play-calling ineptitude. but that’s just my opinion of course.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
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Zacksf is right about Woodson — I have Game Rewind, and it’s clear that on Davis’s biggest gains, he was covered by linebackers, safeties, or Jarrett Bush (who many of us wonder why he’s even on our team). Davis is a stud, but Woodson shut down Witten in W10, and was able to blanket VD in coverage during the first half of W11. Once Al and Kamp went out, our pass defense went up in smoke.
I just wanted to stop by and say that this is a stellar analysis of the game, having nothing to do whatsoever with the outcome. Excellent use of pre- and post-game stats as well as in-game examples. Wow. Well done.
thanks...
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i’ll take a look at woodson vs. non-woodson on game rewind when i get a chance, but i’ll take your word for it at this point. i think, regardless of who’s covering him, the niners should be able to at least attempt a pass intended for VD more than zero times in the first 28 minutes of the game, right? i mean, unless GB was using woodson vs. VD in a strictly man-to-man sense no matter the rest of the coverage call, the niners should have been able to get him away from woodson’s zone, or should have been able to use other tricks of the trade to at least throw him one ball before they were down 20-3.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
I guess the question would than be was Woodson vs Non-Woodson determined by the 49ers offensive formation? Personnel didn’t always change but they put 3 sometimes 4 targets in WR spots in the 2nd half, maybe that is why the offense got the Non-Woodson.
Not even sure it should have mattered. T.O. used to burn Woodson to crisp because he was just too powerful for him. Woodson can push and bump smaller WR’s but his been victimized throughout his career by big, powerful targets.
I think this is where the coaching broke down.
They didn’t really realize what the packers were doing do them (throwing underneath passes, blowing the DL off the LOS, shutting down VD) until it was 20-3.
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Hey danny
did you ever get the DVOA/DYAR splits for Smith out of the shotgun/under center?
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still waiting for a reply from aaron
he’s obviously busy, but he always gets back to me in a reasonable amount of time. you’ll know when i know.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 24, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
have no clue...
…if you’re going to even know that i’m replying to this right now, but…
aaron just responded to me saying he’s going to try to get a post up about it on FO sometime soon.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 25, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions

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