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Official Updated NN Offseason Discussion Thread (11/28)

FOOCH'S NOTE: Consider this our current Official thread for draft and offseason discussion

Fooch has asked me to run the FanPost dedicated to the Offseason each week since the threads fill up rather quickly.

The Official Offseason FanPost has been filling up pretty fast each week (within 4-5 days 500+ comments) and the load time increases a bit when the posts do fill up. Each week, I will take it upon myself to post something similiar in nature to keep the topic of conversation live and the comment count down. For free agency, to also cut down on some of the traffic, smileyman is also volunteering some of his time and is going to go in to detail about the CBA as well as free agency.

I wanted to consolidate the process here from the very 1st one I did from the top 25 I had originally. In doing so, I will only be listing the top 5 rated players in order of best 1-5 at each position of my opinion (Idea courtesy of Eastbayjim). Considering that there has been a few weeks from my last post for this topic, some of the players have either moved up or down in ranking accordingly. I am also going to connect a few links to Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, and another really good source that I found in mynfldraft.com's. After the jump, I will start at the QB position and end on defense at the safety position.

If you would like to keep this post up for a week until I can get to the next one, like Fooch has mentioned of the others, Rec it...

Star-divide

 

Quarterbacks

1. Jake Locker

2. Tony Pike

3. Jimmy Clausen

4. Colt McCoy

5. Sam Bradforfd

Running Backs

1. C.J. Spiller (Clemson)

2. Evan Royster (Penn State)

3. Johnathon Dwyer (Georgia Tech)

4. Jahvid Best (California)

5. Ben Tate (Auburn)

Wide Receivers

Dez Bryant (Oklahoma State)

Arrelious Benn (Illinois)

Damian Williams (USC)

Brandon LaFell (LSU)

Marshawn Gilyard (Cincinnati)

Tight Ends

1. Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma)

2. Ed Dickson (Oregon)

3. Anthony McCoy (USC)

4. Dedrick Epps (Miami)

5. Aaron Hernandez (Florida)

Tackles

1. Russell Okung (Oklahoma State)

2. Bryan Bulaga (Iowa)

3. Bruce Campbell (Alabama)

4. Ciron Black (LSU)

5. Trent Williams (Oklahoma)

Guards

1. Mike Pouncey (Florida)

2. Sergio Render (Virginia Tech)

3. Mike Iupati (Idaho)

4. Dan Doering (Iowa)

5. Rodney Hudson (Florida State)

Centers

1. John McNeil (Tennessee)

2. Chris Hall (Texas)

3. John Estes (Hawaii)

4. Kristopher O'Dowd (USC)

5. Stefen Wisniewski (Penn State)

Defensive Ends

1. Greg Hardy (Ole Miss)

2. Brandon Lang (Troy)

3. Carlos Dunlap (Florida)

4. Jermaine Cunningham (Florida)

5. Derrick Morgan (Georgia Tech)

Defensive Tackles

1. Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska)

2. Terrence Cody (Alabama)

3. Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma)

4. Arthur Jones (Syracuse)

5. Allen Bailey (Miami)

Outside Linebackers

1. Sean Weatherspoon (Missouri)

2. Sergio Kindle (Texas)

3. George Selvie (South Florida)

4. Greg Jones (Michigan State)

5. Navorro Bowman (Penn State)

Inside Linebackers

1. Brandon Spikes (Florida)

2. Rolondo McClain (Alabama)

3. Joe Pawelek (Baylor)

4. Micah Johnson (Kentucky)

5. Sean Lee (Penn State)

Corners

1. Joe Haden (Florida)

2. Trevard Lindley (Kentucky)

3. Patrick Robinson (Florida State)

4. Kyle Wilson (Boise State)

5. Syd'Quan Thompson (California)

Safeties

1. Eric Berry (Tennessee)

2. Taylor Mays (USC)

3. Earl Thomas (Texas)

4. Reshad Jones (Georgia)

5. Darrell Stuckey (Kansas)

 

I used a bunch of sources in the analysis as well as my own judgment in what I have been able to see this year in watching college football. I am sure that not everyone's opinion will be the same, but in a majority of the places I refferenced, the consensus was the same give or take a few slots here and there. Overall this should be pretty acurate and inline with what alot of the pro scouts and experts are saying.

Like I mentioned above, I will now link a few 2010 NFL Mock Drafts that are the most current:

mynfldraft.com

(This draft board is the most accurate in all my research that I have seen in any of them for predictions being correct of years past)

 http://www.mynfldraft.com/NFL-Mock-Draft

Mel Kiper Jr.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4685360&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft10%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d4685360

(I couldn't get his actual mock, so his top 5 big board is the best I could do here).

Todd McShay

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft

(Again, could not get a recent full mock draft from him either, so I got the next best thing in Scout Inc's Top 32)

 

ADDITION: Compliments of smileyman, he has provided the top 5 Free Agent Quarterbacks and given a synopsis of each. Each week we will add a piece in regards to a specific position or positions of certain players that will be available as free agents or entering the draft followed by a short synonpsis.

QB Free Agents

Kyle Orton

Age: 27

Years in the League: 5th season Salary: $1.3 million Stats: 1257 attempts, 719 completions (57.2%). 7766 yards. 42 TDS, 33 INTs.  Status: UFA (RFA if there is no new CBA) Summary: An average QB who was having his best year of his season with Denver before he got hurt. He can be successful in the right system, but isn't worth paying top dollar for.

Jason Campbell

Age: 27

Years in the leauge: 5th season Salary: $1,240,400 Stats: 1421 attempts, 861 completions (61.0%). 9368 yards. 45 tds 32 INTs.  Status: UFA (RFA in an uncapped year) Summary: Average QB. If the Redskins don't extend his contract there will be a team somewhere that will want him. Not a long-term answer for any team

Chad Pennington

Age: 33

Years in the league: 10th season Salary: $5,750,000 Stats: 2461 attempts, 1631 completion (66.1%). 17,804 yards. 102 TDs, 64 INTs.  Status: UFA Summary: Some team will want to take a look at Chad. He hurt his shoulder again this season, but he wants to come back and play. He's not a long term answer for any team, but he can do a good job for someone for a couple of years until they find a solution at QB. I imagine that he'll have to take a pay cut--not many teams will want to pay almost $6 million/year for a QB that's not their long term solution. 

Tarvaris Jackson

Age: 26

Years in the league: 4th season Salary: $686,120 Stats: 539 attempts, 316 completions (58.6%). 3601 yards, 21 TDs, 18 INT.  Status: UFA (RFA if uncapped year) Summary: Jackson is a project QB. I thought he improved signficantly at the end of last season. He's got a lot of athleticisim (when I saw him play he actually reminded me of the VY, Michael VIck type of QB). Somebody will take a look at him, but not for much more than what he's currently makinhg. 

Kellen Clemens

Age: 26

Years in the league: 4th season Salary: $530,000 Stats: 256 attempts, 133 completions (52%). 1,555 yards. 5 TDs, 11 INTs Status: UFA (RFA if uncapped year) Summary: I'll be surprised if Clemens isn't cut by the Jets next year. Sanchez is clearly the guy going forward and the number 3 guy on the depth chart (Erik Ainge) gave Clemens some fierce competition for the number 2 spot. 

Here's how I'd rank them:

1. Chad Pennington

2. Kyle Orton

3. Tarvaris Jackson

4. Jason Campbell

5. Kellen Clemens

Chad Pennington will be starting somewhere in 2010. The Dolphins won't need his services but there many teams in desperate need of a QB who will pick him up for a 1 or 2 year contract. I'll be surprised if Denver doesn't resign Kyle Orton. Their depth at QB is horrid. I'll be they take a QB in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft and sit him behind Orton for a couple of years to develop him. Jackson will get a chance to compete for a job as well Campbell. Clemens will probably be picked up by a team looking for a backup but won't get a chance to start.

Big thanks to smileyman for the contribution!

Poll
What should the Niners very 1st pick overall in the draft be?
Pass Rusher
6 votes
Offensive Tackle
52 votes
Safety
16 votes
Other (Explain)
3 votes

77 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted other, it's a matter of placement and who has come off the board

If Berry is there and Suh is not, I am all for Berry, No Mays and no QB. If none of these players are here, Joe Haden

"Optimist Prime"
Haden and Berry 1st round?

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 8:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I went with OT first. There are 5 good OTs and I am sure that either Williams or Bulaga would be there for us in the 1st pick

Drew K. Thanks for a great job. It is funny how those three rank people differently. the first one actually has both our 1st round picks to be after Denver.
I am going to ASSuME that neither Berry or Okung make it to our picks.

1a. Williams – OT or Bulaga – OT
1b. Kindle – OLB or Spiller – RB or Weatherspoon – OLB

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 28, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Denver

I think they have the Bears or someone’s 1st. And Seattle has Denver’s 1st pick.

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Kindle is worth a 1st rounder

at least not as high in the 1st round as we’re likely to end.

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A question about Taylor Mays

I heard on ESPN that Mays will probably get moved to ILB in the NFL. Is that what you guys have been hearing as well?

Hey, remember that one time when we were arguing and I was wrong? Yeah, me either.

by SanFranSoldier on Nov 28, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

ILB

I hadn’t heard that. Although Brian Urlacher was a safety moved to linebacker.

by Fooch on Nov 28, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would think someone with Mays’ athleticism would make a good outside linebacker rather than inside just because he would have good coverage skills to go along with his defensive instincts (note: the coverage skills im referring to is if he is moved to LB, his coverage as a safety leaves much to be desired)

"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart

by Camraman926 on Nov 28, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe in a 4-3 but not a 3-4

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like rlott says he won't work in a 3-4

You need someone who can get to the QB and the only way I see Mays being able to do that is with a designed blitz.

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

..

QB – 1.Jimmy Clausen 2. Jake Locker 3. Ryan Mallet 4. Sam Bradford 5. Jevan Snead/PatDevlin

RB – 1. Noel Devine 2. Joe McKnight 3. C.J Spiller 4. Jahvid Best 5. Travis Minor/Toby Gerhart

WR – 1. Dez Bryant 2. Arrelious Benn 3. Marshawn Gilyard 4. Brandon LaFell 5. Mike Williams

TE – (Andrew Quarless from PSU will definitely wove up the ranks after the combine)

by supraman on Nov 28, 2009 11:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

So wait...

What’s so great about Jake Locker?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Nov 28, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually meant this as a general question. Don’t know why I made it a reply to you.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Nov 28, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of people are high on locker

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too Bad his last name isn't weeds or gonja

That would have been a fnny comment.

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Coming strictly as somebody who hasn’t watched him play, his stats don’t lay out a very compelling case for him. Even considering surrounding talent and level of competition.

What about his scouting makes him such a hot ticket?

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Nov 28, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His team is terrible. His incompletions are usually dropped passes. His interceptions go through his recievers hands. His o-line is even worse.

When you watch him play he is clear first round material.

He would destroy all competition if he were on a team like Texas or Florida. No one would doubt he’d be first overall. Like McCoy, his statistics reflect the team he’s on more than his individual play.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 1, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He has NFL QB written all over him

Throws a beautiful ball. Good size, good speed, good footwork and mechanics. Doesn’t have a cannon but Jemarcus Russell does, enough said there. His arm I would say is above average and coming into this year the thing he had the most trouble with was putting touch intermediate balls but that looks like something he’s addressed. He looked outstanding against SC.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 2, 2009 3:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its been his play this year in big games.
vs U$C and ND
he has an above average arm.. accuracy is okay..mobile..looked very composed under pressure
My NFL comparison of Locker is Matt Cassel. Clausen is Aaron Rodgers.

by supraman on Nov 28, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clausen

By all accounts is a world class douche-bag, though I have to admit, he is turning in a heck of a season!

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this the order you think they'll go in?

I like Devine a lot. He’s fast and shifty but he won’t be able to be an every down back in the NFL. He could be a great return specialist and an awesome change of speed back to complement Gore but he’s not gonna be a high pick.

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the 49ers draft another Qb this year

The depth seems to be good enough to get a good pick in later rounds

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

There are a great many solid QBs coming out this year and I think we can get a good prospect in the 3rd.

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be interested in the WR class...

If Golden Tate or Jordan Shipley manage to fall to the third or fourth rounds, I think San Francisco would be stupid not to go and grab one of them.

by sigma on Nov 28, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WR

Golden Tate isn’t dropping past 2nd round. Shipley might be the returner. But honestly, I like Dezmon Briscoe and Demaryius Thomas more and they might be their in the 3rd/4th rds.

by Iwantwinners on Nov 28, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DeMaryius Thomas would be my pick over all WR's except Bryant

Size and Speed and hus numbers are low because of the offense GTECH runs. I hope we grab this guy and get rid of Ziegler and Battle.

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I keep forgetting about him

because he isn’t getting a ton of attention. I will put him up next week for sure. Thats the guy thats built like Anquan Boldin or Andre Johnson, right? He isn’t ranked high on any of the pro scouts boards.

I wonder if because he isn’t getting the notorioty he deserves that we could steal him in the 3rd or so? I agree alot on this guy, if we could get him…I would not care if we said good-bye to Battle. Keep Zeigler on the practice squad…he’s shown some promise here and there.

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the running team is hurting his scouting but that's why I think he may not enter the draft.

If he does, he is more of an Andre Johnson type, plus we could then leave Morgan to KR/PR duties and not use a pick on one and try o acquire one in UDFA. I think he can be a beast, hands look good and so do his routes and at that size, he’d be a WR I’d add.

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love his speed, his athelticism, his build—I hope he’s there in the 3rd+

by Iwantwinners on Nov 28, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a big kid

Just looked at some of his highlights. Looks like he’s got some good hands and decent moves. Not a really fast guy, but sure handed. I wouldn’t be opposed to getting him in the later rounds if he was available, but we’re already heavy at the WR position. I’m not sure what he would bring to the table that we don’t have between Morgan, Jones, Hill and Crabtree.

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just think though

If he did turn out like a Johnson or Boldin type player… That would be nice: Crabtree, Thomas, and Morgan and Hill sharing the slot and then them primarily in a 4-Wide set. Jones backing all of them up.

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

<strong>Frank Gore has been very good this year, and is stronger than ever, but has again missed time. Glen Coffee, Gore’s backup, is not confident in getting to the second level. The 49ers have struggled to convert in short yardage and 8 man front scenerios. I think that the 49ers would like to draft another running back, a running back with lower body strength. We’re more likely to watch them draft a back in the middle rounds, because there are too many needs to deal with early on, as has been nit picked. Just FYI,

Allen Bradford, 4th year junior at USC. Missed majority of ’’07 and ’08 seasons due to hip injuries, but is having his best year this season, and has relativley few carries as a result. Looks like LenDale White on film, but is healthier than LenDale and has an extra gear that LenDale did not have. Might return for 5th year, however, he is an interesting player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZk8bv_Pizw

Jonathon Dwyer, junior at Georgia Tech. From what I’ve watched of him, strong build and deceptive speed. Could go high in draft, but could slip depending on 40 yard time, combine; much like Shonn Greene last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBy-kfoYIHw

Charles Scottsenior at LSU. Does not have top line speed(~4.60?), but he does have some burst and the capability to bull his way to the linebackers. Good for 3-4 yards every down. Production is down as a senior, and could cause him to slip to middle rounds of draft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrIY31e7yE

*Stafon Johnson, senior at USC. I don’t know what his status is, but before he unfortunately dropped a 220 some pound bench bar on his throat (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/09/usc-stafon-johnson-weightlifting-accident.html) , he was the trojans most dependable running back in short yardage situations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDDWx-2P0R0

Offensive line might be the position most in need of a gutting, on a team that needs much refurbishing. If the 49ers were to find themselves in the enviable position of drafting perhaps the drafts top offensive player again outside of the top 7, they should take Russell Okung. If not, I would have no qualms with taking the next best available OT at a reasonable spot (15-23) with pick 1b; and/or in the second round.

I do think that there are a handful of skill players that are worth taking over good prospects like Trent Williams, Brian Bulaga and Ciron Black with 1a; I might eat my words if Bruce Campbell of Maryland makes himself draft eligible. Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, Joe Haden, Ndamukong Suh, and Gerald McCoy come to mind. And, I have made it known that I do think that Sam Bradford will be a good NFL QB, but more on that later. Even Taylor Mays, whose pass coverage is not the absolute wreck one foreign observer might believe it to be, still deserves my interest. Anyone who can run a sub 4.4 at 235 lbs, jump 40 inches and put up 225lbs 30+ times is going to turn heads; and intimidate offensive players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26rLxHZpiKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LRc-6cN1Ck

The team is going to need another cornerback, particularly one who can play good run coverage. Since Nate Clements has been hurt, opponents have been targeting the the corners with end arounds, screens, sweeps, etc. Joe Haden of Florida and Syd’Quan Thompson of Cal are two players who, despite their heigth, have been standout tacklers; though Haden is the faster of the two. I think SQT is about a 4.5 (maybe 4.45) guy, so maybe the 2nd or third round is likely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzLHL7Kz1ck

If the front office is going to use a draft selection on a QB, they need to do so knowing that he is ‘the man.’ The staff would sees Shaun Hill as a backup, and, IMO, Alex Smith can be a backup in this league, and good one at that. They used a 5th round pick on Nate Davis, and there is no telling how that will turn out; they will not start Davis for the sake of development.

Just for fun, a couple of players that have stood out this college season,

Damien Williams, 4th year junior at USC. To me, he is a lot like Wes Chamberlin used to be for the Chargers, when they had Dan Fouts. Faster than he looks, stronger than he looks, and knows how to sell a defensive back like Jerry Rice used to. I remember watching Mitch Mustain HS highlights a few years ago, and asking myself, “who is this reciever?”I don’t think that the 49ers would take a reciever early in the draft, but if they surprise me, it will be a pleasant surprise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbrgvxl—o8

Colt McCoy, senior QB at Texas. And, as a result of this, Jordon Shipley as well. Neither of them are physical marvels, and, in fact, you find reasons to try and not like them, but by the end of the game, you come away thoroughly impressed.

Javier Arenas, senior CB at Alabama. Strong player with good speed; has been a big part of Alabama’s success and can return kicks! Who doesn’t like that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzROZ77kw3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR4nLYlQtM

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Charles Scott

I don’t think he has what it takes to be an even average back in the NFL. That offensive line at LSU is beastly and opens holes that deisels could drive through. Scott is a north and south runner; a north and south runner in the NFL typically has speed to go with it. I think Scott will be released by whatever team drafts him.

We still do not know what we have in Ray Lewis’ little brother that we signed to our practice squad. I am curious to see what he does in the preseason of next year. He’s a big back like what you are suggesting.

Personally, as far as the RB position is concerned, I believe we need a quick shifty, change-of-pace type of back in there. Gore is a power runner and so is Coffee. M-Rob needs to not be on the depth chart as a RB. We need to figure something else out for him on the roster to keep him on special teams.

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: LSU’s offensive line, that is interesting. There have been some big county boys on that line creating damage. Herman Johnson comes to mind.

I suppose what I should have highlighted is their need to drive defensive lineman backwards in short yardage scenarios. By doing so, their will be holes to run through.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, a strong but fast and shifty RB would be a positive change from Gore

One that knows how to block.

Ray Lewis’ brother is KEON LATTIMORE. Here is a link to his senior highlights. He makes pretty good moves and mostly runs towards the outside. I would like to see a bit more power in his legs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTBsbQkqEOE

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 28, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see that

He’s got some speed too and excellent cut back ability.

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Johnson like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb-chWh64Dc

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I watched him play last week

For a smaller guy he can actually throw blocks on some big guys too. He has no fear

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is? Or has ever been?

Maybe Deion but that’s about it.

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

you just said Chris Johnson like so I was thinking track speed in my head. I didn’t remember him being super fast so I clicked on the link you put up and was like “oh”. He is fast, I just was thinking SUPER fast when I recalled him on youtube. But against LSU last week for a smaller guy, he was a beast. Plus he has hands too, he could line up in the slot or wherever.

There’s a couple of sleepers to consider for the later rounds. I thin this is the most talent stacked the draft has been in a while.

by Drew K on Nov 29, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Trindon Holliday is actually faster than Chris Johnson… at least over 100 meters… He may be hundreths of a second slower over the first 40 though. LSU’s back ran the fastest collegiate 100M in the nation this year 10.00

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 30, 2009 4:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I found reports of 2 times for Holliday

But its also reported that these are the only 2 times he’s run it for numbers at LSU and its laser timed

4.27 and 4.28

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 30, 2009 4:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which LSU back?

I know it can’t be Charles Scott you’re talking about…he’s slower than molasses.

by Drew K on Nov 30, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright everyone let's get some projected draft results with the current standings as they sit now

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Current Standings

1. Cleveland Browns – 1-9 (.531)
2. St. Louis Rams – 1-9 (.544)
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – 1-9 (.550)
4. Detroit Lions – 2-8 (.531)
5. Seattle Seahawks – 3-7 (.488)
6. Washington Redskins – 3-7 (.500)
7. Buffalo Bills – 3-7 (.506)
8. Oakland Raiders – 3-7 (.513)
9. Kansas City Chiefs – 3-7 (.513)
10. Denver Broncos (from Chicago) – 4-6 (.494)
11. San Francisco 49ers – 4-6 (.494)
12. New York Jets – 4-6 (.531)
13. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina) – 4-6 (.556)
14. Tennessee Titans – 4-6 (.556)
15. Atlanta Falcons – 5-5 (.494)
16. Houston Texans – 5-5 (.525)
17. Baltimore Ravens – 5-5 (.531)
18. Miami Dolphins – 5-5 (.538)
19. Green Bay Packers – 6-4 (.500)
20. Pittsburgh Steelers – 6-4 (.469)
21. Jacksonville Jaguars – 6-4 (.475)
22. Philadelphia Eagles – 6-4 (.494)
23. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – 6-4 (.525)
24. New York Giants – 6-4 (.544)
25. Arizona Cardinals – 7-3 (.450)
26. Cincinnati Bengals – 7-3 (.456)
27. San Diego Chargers – 7-3 (.463)
28. Dallas Cowboys – 7-3 (.488)
29. New England Patriots – 7-3 (.500)
30. Minnesota Vikings – 9-1 (.425)
31. New Orleans Saints – 10-0 (.400)
32. Indianapolis Colts – 10-0 (.469)

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1. Cleveland Browns – Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska)
2. St. Louis Rams – Russell Okung (Oklahoma State)
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Jimmy Clausen
4. Detroit Lions – Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma)
5. Seattle Seahawks – Jake Locker QB
6. Washington Redskins – Sam Bradforfd
7. Buffalo Bills – Colt McCoy
8. Oakland Raiders – Tim Tebow or Taylor Mays (it’s Oakland so two is ok)
9. Kansas City Chiefs – Dez Bryant (Oklahoma State)
10. Denver Broncos (from Chicago) – Eric Berry (Tennessee)
11. San Francisco 49ers – Terrence Cody (Alabama)
12. New York Jets – Brandon Spikes (Florida)
13. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina) Bryan Bulaga (Iowa)
14. Tennessee Titans – Rolondo McClain (Alabama)
15. Atlanta Falcons – Sean Weatherspoon (Missouri)
16. Houston Texans – Joe Haden CB
17. Baltimore Ravens – Trevard Lindley (Kentucky)
18. Miami Dolphins – Sergio Kindle (Texas)
19. Green Bay Packers – Trent Williams (Oklahoma)
20. Pittsburgh Steelers – Bruce Campbell (Alabama)
21. Jacksonville Jaguars – Patrick Robinson (Florida State)
22. Philadelphia Eagles – C.J. Spiller (Clemson)
23. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – Ciron Black (LSU)
24. New York Giants – Allen Bailey (Miami)
25. Arizona Cardinals – Arrelious Benn (Illinois)
26. Cincinnati Bengals – Marshawn Gilyard (Cincinnati)
27. San Diego Chargers –George Selvie (South Florida)
28. Dallas Cowboys – Mike Williams WR USC
29. New England Patriots – Arthur Jones (Syracuse)
30. Minnesota Vikings – Tony Pike QB Cinn.
31. New Orleans Saints – Joe Pawelek (Baylor)
32. Indianapolis Colts – Kyle Wilson (Boise State)

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I meant

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cards picking up a WR?

Huh? I think they need help on their OL tbh.

by Iwantwinners on Nov 28, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No more tackles worth a 1st rounder and no guards that early

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jahvid Best

you really think the odds are against him to fall into the 2nd round?

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because of such a talent stacked draft it's quite possible

If teams know they can hold off until the second round to get a quality RB for less because of that factor (talent stacked draft), then why not? I bet there is not more than 2 RB’s picked in the 1st. C.J. Spiller will more than likely be the 1st one to go… and I feel Royster and Dwyer are more “bust-proof” than Best. He’s too much like Reggie Bush.

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nonsense
Best. He’s too much like Reggie Bush

The only issue for Jahvid is staying healthy.

Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!

by bonbrillio on Nov 29, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He looks like a clone of Reggie Bush

have you seen him play an entire game?

by Drew K on Nov 29, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ofcourse,

and I resent the the question, even if it’s entirely sarcastic. I’m a Cal Bears fan and I have been for a long long time. Bush is probably a more talented receiver than Best will ever be and Best is by far a superior runner between the tackles. Just because they are both fast, both play the same position and both play(ed) in the pac-10 doesn’t make one just like the other.

Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!

by bonbrillio on Nov 29, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No way

Best = Bust… I am not being sarcastic and I am not trying to offend anyone… but I have looked at the videos side-by-side and really taken a hard look at Best. I have watched a couple Bears games this year as well as last and looks very much like Reggie Bush. I watched alot of Bush as well in college…too many similairities. This is coming from someone that is looking at things from a non-bias stand. In fact, Cal is probably my favorite Pac10 team…its a toss up between them and ASU.

I believe that the order I have those backs in will be very close to how they go in the draft. Dwyer and Royster could possibly switch but thats really all I can see changing there.

by Drew K on Nov 30, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Just about the same size (Reggie’s an inch taller) and their stats the in their best year are just about the same (Reggie’s were a bit better). The running styles are so similiar its scary… They both return kicks, etc. Reggie Bush in college DID run between the tackles (actually alot) …I am not far off in the comparison and some of the experts themselves have compared the two backs.

by Drew K on Nov 30, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The more I look at the potential draft order, it is! Jacksonville could draft Best, as could Seattle, Cincinnati, and San Diego. He goes early in the second if he falls.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think that the Bucs keep Josh Freeman?

He’s done pretty good for them in the games he’s been in and he’s only a rookie. They have more pressing needs than QB RIGHT NOW.

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I must have mixed up some where I know the Bucs keep Freeman

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A little help here...

1. Cleveland Browns – Colt McCoy (another QB fail in Cleveland)
2. St. Louis Rams – Jake Locker(this can actually be promising for the Rams)
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Ndamukong Suh(Stud)
4. Detroit Lions – Trent Williams(protecting last years #1 is important)
5. Seattle Seahawks – Jimmy Clausen(time for Hasselbeck to teach before he’s done)
6. Washington Redskins – Sam Bradford(Campbell isn’t the answer)
7. Buffalo Bills – Gerald McCoy(good line filler for a D in need of a run stopper)
8. Oakland Raiders – Taylor Mays(unless some WR amazes Al Davis)
9. Kansas City Chiefs – Eric Berry(BPA?)
10. Denver Broncos (from Chicago) – Terrence Cody(Good fit for revamped D)
11. San Francisco 49ers – Russel Okung(finally some protection!)
12. New York Jets – Dez Bryant(good fit alongside Baylon Edwards)
13. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina) –?
OK, I need some guidance, I’ve been staring at my screen for about 10 min. thinking about who the niners should take with the second pick. They got the OT that they needed, now where do they from there(besides the playoffs!)
I mean would it make sense to draft 2 OT’s in the 1st round. Earlier in the year, I really considered a DT, but I think that Franklin is doing awesome, so they should simply re-sign him. The 2 top safeties are gone, should they go after Earl Thomas(i don’t like that idea because he’s only a sophomore, he should return for his Junior year), or should they go DE, and if so, who.
If none of the above, then what….seriously I need some assistance with this……..

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

D-Back or ILB or DE

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chiefs has one of the league worst offenses with an offensive minded coach

Never know but I think they take the first WR in the draft

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

K.C.

Dez Bryant would be goo fit there as well. I think Bryant would fit well on any team that doesn’t require him to become a #1 WR right off the bat.

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is unlikely they draft a guy that high who missed his senior year, but possible.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that McCoy isn’t going to be the 1st pick..it’ll be Clausen or Locker

by Iwantwinners on Nov 28, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Browns will give up on Quinn

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Do you know that the current staff didn’t draft Quinn?

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah otherwise they would have traded him to the Broncos when they wanted him

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Browns were not willing to part with their first round pick (let alone this year’s as well), which at the time, was 5th overall.

Yes, they could still want to develop Quinn, but their staff has made no public concessions to him.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They attempted again before the trade deadline

Why would the Browns have to give up their 5th to trade Quinn

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Before the season, the Browns were one of the teams interested in trading for Jay Cutler; and the Broncos were asking for two first round picks. If that is not what you were reffering to, then I am mistaken.

However, in the past, the Browns front office has made no public statement of confidence in Brady Quinn. It is possible that they stick with him, but they will have their ’T’s’ crossed and their ’I’s" dotted, and keep looking at other QBs, because their offense has been awful.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1) Cleveland – Jimmy Clausen
2) St. Louis – Jake Locker (I don’t know how he is projected so high. I think that Locker will stay in college. If so, I think they go for value and take Suh, even though they’ve drafted 3 straight lineman)
3) Tampa Bay – Ndamukong Suh (Best player available)
4) Detroit – Russell Okung (Need to protect Stafford. Berry a possibility)
5) Seattle – Eric Berry (Best player and a postion of need)
6) Washington – Gerald McCoy (To help shore up NFL’s 25th ranked run defense. I like the Bradford pick; that could happen)
7) Buffalo – Rolando McClain (Might be early for Dez Bryant and Sam Bradford. Run defense is 31st in league)
8) Oakland – Carlos Dunlap
9) Kansas City – Joe Haden (28th ranked pass defense could use some youth. Derrick Morgan a possibility)
10) Denver – Terrance Cody
11) San Francisco – Sam Bradford (could be wrong, but everyone else I like has been drafted)
12) NYJ – Dez Bryant
13) Bruce Campbell

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With both Williams and Bulaga available the 49ers will take one of them first, well before a QB

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 28, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

If they draft Bradford with those 2 trucks still on the board, I will be extremely shocked!

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe, with picks that close, it just depends on whom they value more.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alex Smith is our QB next year

like it or not. He may not be the QB of the future, but unless he implodes he’s got the job next year.

We’ll be getting best tackle available with at least one of our 1st round picks. Maybe both

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle needs another LT and a QBOTF

Unless they want to be faced with our current situation

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Two seasons in a row

Good for him

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're going to get a position player on offense

They may even go QB since they have (2) 1sts

by Drew K on Nov 30, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love us getting Okung at 11 but he will be the first OL taken, well before Williams

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 28, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1. Cleveland Browns – Jimmy Clausen QB ND
2. St. Louis Rams – Jake Locker-QB-Washington
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Ndamukong Suh-DT-Nebraska
4. Detroit Lions – Russell Okung-OT-Oklahoma St.
5. Seattle Seahawks – C.J. Spiller-RB-Clemson
6. Washington Redskins – Gerald McCoy-DT- Oklahoma
7. Buffalo Bills – Eric Berry-S-Tennesee
8. Oakland Raiders – Taylor Mays-S-USC OR player with fastest 40 time
9. Kansas City Chiefs – Dez Bryant-WR-Oklahoma St.
10. Denver Broncos (from Chicago) - Terrence Cody -NT Alabama
11. San Francisco 49ers – Joe Haden-CB-Florida
12. New York Jets – Donovan Warren-CB-Michigan
13. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina) – Bryan Bulaga-OT- Iowa
14. Tennessee Titans – Brandon Graham-DE- Michigan
15. Atlanta Falcons – Brandon Spikes-LB-Florida
16. Houston Texans – Arthur Jones-DT-Syracuse
17. Baltimore Ravens – Arrellious Benn-WR-Illinois
18. Miami Dolphins – Rolando McClain-LB-Alabama
19. Green Bay Packers – Trent Williams-OT-Oklahoma
20. Pittsburgh Steelers – Ciron Black-OT-LSU
21. Jacksonville Jaguars – Tim Tebow-QB-Florida
22. Philadelphia Eagles – Carlos Dunlap-DE-Florida
23. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver) – Sam Bradford-QB-Oklahoma
24. New York Giants – Ras-I Dowling-CB- Virginia
25. Arizona Cardinals – Bruce Campbell-OT- Maryland
26. Cincinnati Bengals – Jermaine Gresham-TE-Oklahoma
27. San Diego Chargers – Damian Williams-WR-USC
28. Dallas Cowboys – Charles Brown-OT-USC
29. New England Patriots – Brandon LaFell-WR-LSU
30. Minnesota Vikings – Jevan Snead-QB-Miss.
31. New Orleans Saints – Sean Weatherspoon-OLB-Missouri
32. Indianapolis Colts – Nate Allen-S- South Florida

by Iwantwinners on Nov 28, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

whoa sorry

I accident used a strike through on Cody;disregard it

by Iwantwinners on Nov 28, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bills won't take Berry They need a QB badly

Plus they have D Byrd he has 7 int’s this season as a rookie. They will go OL or DL or LB

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That means

that Berry (hoping for Al Davis being Al Davis) will likely drop to us. Should we grab him or Haden?

by Iwantwinners on Nov 28, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He could fall, but the Seahawks, Raiders and Chiefs will be giving him a lot of consideration.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Raiders

didn’t they draft a Safety last year in the 2nd rd?

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They did

and if i were the Raiders, I would take the best lineman available, regardless of O or D.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very true

but………well……..I mean c’mon it’s the Raiders

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would take Tebow

Keep it Raider-like

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it's the raiders

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If both were available the 49ers would pick Berry first

Then either Bulaga or Williams with pick 1a.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 28, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Berry

Then best tackle available.

by smileyman on Nov 28, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont think anyone wants vick but fans

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

People in Buffalo’s organization have expressed interest.

I wouldn’t want a QB with a career comp % of 55% or whatever it is. But some teams actually like his playmaking abilities. He will end up somewhere starting if Philly drops him. Too many teams need QB’s

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think there are too many prospects this season

He could end up in Oakland

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

and I could easily see that as an option as well. I don’t think the Browns would go there (with the Dawg Pound and all). But there’s a few candidates.

1. Bills
2. Raiders
3. Jags
4. Redskins
5. Rams

The thing about Vick versus getting a rookie, is you already know what you get in Vick and he is a veteran. Someone’s gonna snatch him up. I am sure of it. And I don’t think he will be backing anyone up again. He’s got 4-5 years left in him. From what little bit we have seen in his passing, he looks to be more acurate

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also Carolina

I forgot about them and they won’t have a 1st rounder so they very well could be shopping for Vick in the offseason

by Drew K on Nov 30, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haden and Beluga, nice!

I would be very happy with that 1st round.
How “shut-down” is Haden??

by zacksf on Nov 28, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't see it.

but i agree that cb is very important.

by zacksf on Nov 28, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Draft position

Never gave it much thought but how would you guys prefer the 2 picks to be slotted? Do you guys like the back to back selections, 1early-1late, or both late?

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

b2b

more likely to have one traded

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

reply fail to sndaysfinst

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What does everyone think about trading players for picks this year

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Depends

What players and what round can the niners get for them?

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lawson, Franklin?, who would you want to trade and for what pick?

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd trade Lawson for a 2nd, but probably wouldn't get it unless the Pats were interested

I would take the Patriots first for him and our 2nd

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lawson and the 49ers 2nd round pick for the Patriots 1st?

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, since we have two mid to early picks we can still trade one for a later 1st and 2nd.

We’d have 3 1st rounders and a 2nd and no Lawson

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No,

the 49ers would not have a second, nor Lawson. They traded them both away to the Pats. The 49ers had better have somebody in mind at OLB if they make that trade, which the Patriots would not take in the first place. If the Pats want an OLB, they will draft him; not trade away (their 1st rounder) for a player who has yet to deliver.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They would trade away one of their early first to acquire another 2nd

I think you just wanted to respond NO, I said IF the Pats would do it, they have gotten production from Banta Cain this season and he was nothing to us. They trade away their 1st every year

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 49ers trade one of their two first round picks (which project to be 10-23) and Manny Lawson for the patriots first and second round picks?

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NO

Manny and a 2nd for their first then trade one of their early first for a later first and later 2nd

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, I hope they can do that.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just throwin it out there

I think our backups at OLB are as good as lawson

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lawson has been very good at containing the run this year. But, he gets stuck when a lineman locks onto him. Unless he gets better, he’ll be gone one way or another. Ahmad Brooks is a guy to keep around.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If they do trade Lawson

it should be with the knowledge they will aquire another OLB whom they believe will be a starter. Right now, they do not have that ability.

by MinerNiner on Nov 28, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you just wanted to be a Spaz about it

Whatever

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brooks and Briggs

would be adequate enough I think to fill that spot

by Drew K on Nov 29, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin

I hope they re-sign him

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would hate to see Franklin go

He has been an awesome force at NT.

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would go with whatever option that would land me picks for whoever outbid us

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not worth it

I dont think that I would be able to get teams to bite on the guys that I would throw out there for trade bait

by sundaysfinest on Nov 28, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can they trade for a GOOD OL Coach?

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 28, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Waitin' for Cable to get fired

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 28, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to bring to everyones attention that smileyman has contributed to the post above by adding the top 5 FA QB’s available next year

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 7:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Out of the 5 QB free agents

I actually think that Tavaris Jackson would be the best candidate, Also consider that he is soaking up everything he can right now from a future Hall Of Famer. He’s still young too

by Drew K on Nov 28, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

3d Rd

Toby Gerhardt, hopefully he’s there.

1st rd picks are going to go to the BPA’s at OL, then DL/pass-rush, tho I’d really like to see Taylor Mays in the red and gold next year.

Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!

by bonbrillio on Nov 29, 2009 8:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

At what position for T Mays?

Gerhardt in the the 3rd? to play what position?

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Backup RB

Change of pace w/ Gore. As for Mays, SS if Michael Lewis is still having concussions, if not, open competition for either I’d say.

I wasn’t aware of Gerhardt’s status as a junior… I’d imagine he’d stick around, but if he’s seriously in the Heisman hunt, his stock may be higher than a 3rd rd pick and possibly won’t get any higher if he stayed for next year.

Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!

by bonbrillio on Nov 29, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Change of pace usually means faster.

he’s a NFL FB IMO, but he is a man child

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Toby

isn’t leaving this year.

by Iwantwinners on Nov 29, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Toby Gerhardt is the RB for Stanford

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 29, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oops, didn't hit reply

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 29, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know who he is, don't know if he will be a rb or fb

"Optimist Prime"
Yes 10fortech I am still pissed the crabtree pick wasn't traded!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't figure out why YOU wouldn't know that... But he looks like a good RB for the niners

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 29, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't look like a NFL RB. FB yes, RB, NO

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

If Jerome Bettis was a HB, I guess Gerhart can be too.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 29, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be satisfied with a Bettis clone

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 29, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He isn't that fast

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Yes 10fortech, Crabtree can block, should the two drops question other things? I know none of those passes came down like a punt!!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno man

Bettis was no burner and I’ve seen it reported his combine time was 4.56. Gerhart’s averaged 40 time is 4.55. Don’t know if that’s hand timed or laser but thats running a 4.48 and a 4.64. (Track is likely slightly unlevel)

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 30, 2009 4:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the picture of Berry in that draft

and see the reason for my concern. He does that no matter who has the ball.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 29, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever he has made plenty of wrap up tackles

You want Mays and he does it more often, you are full of hot air.

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
We talked bad about Morgan when it came down like a punt, what about Crabs droppin' that spiral?

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a rookie...it happens

How many passes did Jerry Rice drop his rookie season?

by Drew K on Nov 29, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to entertain 10fortech

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Yes 10fortech, Crabtree can block, should the two drops question other things? I know none of those passes came down like a punt!!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, right

Yes, I'm sure Jerry Rice never dropped a single pass in his entire football career.

by 10forTech on Nov 29, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about wrapping up

I’m talking about being built like a cornerback and launching yourself at guys like you’re Ray Maulauga. Which is what Berry does.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 30, 2009 4:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of safeties do that

You want another Deion? he stil wraps up sometimes. Plus even guys with size can get hurt tackling, Ed Reed does the same thing

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Morgan dropped a TD, and the whole blogospere went nuts!!
Yes I want Eric Bery to be a 49er!

by rlott#42 on Nov 30, 2009 6:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This Mock

also pays absolutely no attention to our need for an OL and and how bad Carolina is… And how every horrible team except Carolina is winning or tied today! Bills win over Miami, Wash is tied with Philly, and Tampa (not that it really matters with them) is trying to hang on over ATL

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 29, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see that

It also says nothing abotu FA which has a lot to do with how you draft. Who’s to say we don’t get a veteran RT and LG? If we did that in the offseason and got these two what would you say? You’d probably trade the pick that got Cody to get a player we don’t NEED,

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
We talked bad about Morgan when it came down like a punt, what about Crabs droppin' that spiral?

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep and that's why I feel they are "symbiotic"

Until after FA period is “over” you really can’t start showing a mock without noting the assumed FA moves, even if they are none. Not knocking the mock or you, plenty other than that Mock do that (heck I’ve done it many a time LOL). Just a personal bias and something for us all to keep in mind (IMHO).

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 30, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t kick him off of the team, but I can’t picture the 49ers drafting Cody after the season that Aubrayo Franklin is having. I do envision the 49ers drafting an OT with one of their first rounders, even if it is perceived to be a reach.

by MinerNiner on Nov 30, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I didn’t even notice he has Tebow going #9. This lost any cred right there.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 29, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be surprosed if Tebow goes to the Raiders

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
We talked bad about Morgan when it came down like a punt, what about Crabs droppin' that spiral?

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even Al Davis isn't that stupid

Yes rlott#42, I'm sure Jerry Rice never dropped a single pass in his entire football career.

by 10forTech on Nov 29, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Say that again and actually mean it

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Yes 10fortech, Crabtree can block, should the two drops question other things? I know none of those passes came down like a punt!!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I get your point

Yes, I'm sure Jerry Rice never dropped a single pass in his entire football career.

by 10forTech on Nov 29, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

I might give him a late 3rd. No higher than that.

Yes, I'm sure Jerry Rice never dropped a single pass in his entire football career.

by 10forTech on Nov 29, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats possible also

Jimmy Johnson (the ex head coach) doesnt even think he will be tried out as a QB by whatever team is dimb enough to get him

by Drew K on Nov 29, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If he can block he would make a good fullback

And he could catch the ball out of the backfield.

Yes, I'm sure Jerry Rice never dropped a single pass in his entire football career.

by 10forTech on Nov 29, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If thats the case,

he will have to learn whatever position it is (FB or whatever else is a possibility) all new. He’s been a QB since he was a kid.

by Drew K on Nov 29, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly 10for

Tebow is a good enough athlete to reach on a 2nd-3rd round pick but not safe to be drafted anywhere above that

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 30, 2009 4:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 49ers second pick would be either Williams or Bulaga not Cody

Need to secure that OL

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 29, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

No way we get Cody in the 1st when we already have a stud NT. I can see Berry slipping to us though and I’d be all over that.

by smileyman on Nov 29, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No poo

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Yes 10fortech, Crabtree can block, should the two drops question other things? I know none of those passes came down like a punt!!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll repost another mock

Since the Bills beat the Dolphins (not expected) the Panthers lost (I expected) Seattle won and tennessee did it again……………..BERRY

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Yes 10fortech, Crabtree can block, should the two drops question other things? I know none of those passes came down like a punt!!!

by rlott#42 on Nov 29, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fill me in on this 'Berry'

Yes, I'm sure Jerry Rice never dropped a single pass in his entire football career.

by 10forTech on Nov 29, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm suprised more people haven't been talking about picking up another corner.

some people are talking how Nate Clements might not get an extension, some people want him to get one. i think i’m ok with it given the price is right.

i think we have learned that without him our run D has suffered, without him our pass coverage has suffered also.

depending on how we plan on addressing this i think we should have a corner high on our list maybe 3rd latest or our eye on a FA, given that we are not going to extend his contract.

unless we get berry, people say he can play corner. and i would be ok with that.

by whitemike1644 on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’m really not concerned at CB. Also, I’ve been through enough Mike Rumphs to know that the veteran free agency wire is always stocked full of decent options.

by bignerd on Nov 30, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Scouts Inc.'s Gary Horton on ESPNChat at 1 PST

Flood him with questions such as,

Brian Bulaga, Trent Williams, Charles Brown and Ciron Black. In what order do you rate them?

Do the 49ers draft Joe Haden if he is availible?

Anything else?

by MinerNiner on Nov 30, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Updated draft order after Week 12

I updated the previous order and updated by strength of schedule remaining

1. Browns (1-10) – (Held)
2. Bucs (1-10) – (Held)
3. Rams (1-10) – (Held)
4. Lions (2-9) – (Held)
5. Redskins (3-8) – (Held)
6. Chiefs (3-8) – (Previously 9th)
7. Raiders (3-8) – (Previously 8th)
8. 49ers from Panthers (4-7) – (Previously 13th)
9. Broncos from Bears (4-7) – (Previously 10th)
10. Seahawks (4-7) – (Previously 5th)
11. Bills (4-7) – Previously 7th)
12. Dolphins (5-6) – (Previously 18th)
13. Jets (5-6) – (Previously 12th)
14. 49ers (5-6) – (Previously 11th)
15. Texans (5-6) – (Previously 16th)
16. Titans (5-6) – (Previously 14th)
17. Jaguars (6-5) – (Previously 21st)
18. Giants (6-5) – (Previously 24th)
19. Steelers (6-5) – (Previously 20th
20. Falcons (6-5) – (Previously 15th)
21. Ravens (6-5) – (Previously 17th)
22. Seahawks from Denver (7-4) – (Previously 23rd)
23. Eagles (7-4) – (Previously 22nd)
24. Packers (7-4) – (Previously 19th)
25. Cardinals (7-4) – (Held)
26. Patriots (7-3) – (Previously 29th)
27. Chargers (8-3) – (Held)
28. Cowboys (8-3) – (Held)
29. Bengals (Previously 26th)
30. Vikings (10-1) – (Held)
31. Saints (10-0) – (Held)
32. Colts (11-0) – (Held)

Bare in mind that these were posted pre MNF.

by Drew K on Nov 30, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

its a shame so many bad teams

i mean look at it. browns, bucs, rams, lions, redskins, chiefs, raiders. too bad out pick cant be higher

by brtdud7 on Nov 30, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Panther pick is about where I expected

The Niiner pick will end up around 20th overall I bet.

by smileyman on Nov 30, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Drew K

You have made this very interesting.

That would be good post mgmt.

"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco

Ignorance is truly bliss!!

Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!

by rlott#42 on Dec 1, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

TRADING OUR SECOND FIRST ROUND?

does anyone think that trading our second first round to a team like, say, the browns or lions could be possible or beneficial to us?

by brtdud7 on Nov 30, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not without a proven player with a 2nd in return

I can’t imagine they have a veteran RT or LG young enough to justify it, they stink so bad. If one of the teams were in the situation like the Lions last year this would be perfect for us. We could still get a RT and we can add a corner or ILB or DE

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Morgan dropped a TD, and the whole blogospere went nuts!!
Yes I want Eric Bery to be a 49er!

by rlott#42 on Nov 30, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OLB not a DE.. we have a ton of DEs already

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 30, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And the OLB would be a pass rushing beast

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Nov 30, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the LE is weak and Balmer is a bust

"Optimist Prime"
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Morgan dropped a TD, and the whole blogospere went nuts!!
Yes I want Eric Bery to be a 49er!

by rlott#42 on Dec 1, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I might trade our pick at 13 or so to the Browns or Lions for their pick next year… Then we’d have a top 5 pick

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 1, 2009 1:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

If all the Jrs. expected to declare come into the draft this year its pretty pointless even to do that.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 1, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1. Browns (1-10) – Jimmy Clausen, QB
2. Bucs (1-10) – Ndamakong Suh, DT
3. Rams (1-10) – Jake Locker, QB
4. Lions (2-9) – Russel Okung, OT
5. Redskins (3-8) – Gerald McCoy, DT
6. Chiefs (3-8) – Eric Berry, SS
7. Raiders (3-8) – Taylor Mays, FS

8. 49ers from Panthers (4-7) – Joe Haden, CB

 Wow, this is a really high pick. Bruce Campbell has durability concerns and is more of a left tackle. Brian Buluga really fits our needs in terms of a right tackle and should still be around later. We can get a dynamite Corner or pass rusher here. This draft has a lot of depth at corner, so I think we take a pass rusher. However, there are no 3-4 OLB here worth this pick. Joe Haden it is then. but don’t be surprised if we trade this pick down to somone looking for a LT or sam bradford. I don’t think we will get a QB because what we have is servicable, and we have too many other needs.

9. Broncos from Bears (4-7) – Derick Morgan, DE
10. Seahawks (4-7) – Trent Williams, OT
11. Bills (4-7) – Sam Bradford, QB
12. Dolphins (5-6) – Terrence Cody, NT (we don’t take him because we franchised Aubrayo Franklin)
13. Jets (5-6) – Damian Williams, WR
14. 49ers (5-6) – Brian Buluga, OT

Now we address the single biggest problem on our offense. Buluga is a monster in both protection and run blocking.

15. Texans (5-6) – Earl Thomas, FS
16. Titans (5-6) – Dez Bryant, WR
17. Jaguars (6-5) – Jerry Hughes, OLB
18. Giants (6-5) – Rolando McClain, ILB
19. Steelers (6-5) – Bruce Campbell, OT
20. Falcons (6-5) – Trevard Lindley, CB
21. Ravens (6-5) – Brandon LaFell, WR
22. Seahawks from Denver (7-4) – CJ Spiller, RB
23. Eagles (7-4) – Greg Hardy, DE
24. Packers (7-4) – Charles Brown, OT
25. Cardinals (7-4) – Anthony Davis, OT
26. Patriots (7-3) – Cameron Hayward, DE
27. Chargers (8-3) – Golden Tate, WR
28. Cowboys (8-3) – Ras-I-Dowling
29. Bengals (8-3)- Jahvid Best, RB
30. Vikings (10-1) – Everson Griffeth, DE
31. Saints (10-0) – Sean Weatherspoon, OLB
32. Colts (11-0) – Jonathan Dwyer, RB

by hellaninersfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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