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There have been changes made to the Offense, very necessary changes, unfortunately the injuries have put us in a bit of a pickle, and we didn't get to see the results come into effect over time.  What about the defense.  Anyone remember the WR playing CB in N.E. and making plays.  We often see Belichek using subs for situations and switching up against different teams.  I've seen him attacking opposing O-lines at their weakness versus our style of play (this is our scheme and this is it, pretty vanilla, IMO).  I'm talking about situational subs that would create more turnovers and cause more confusion on OL's and QB's and also DC's.

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Jumping.................I have been looking at defensive numbers and taking into account the guys on the defensive end that have been stepping up, and the ones that haven't been given more playing time and are productive.  Mainly speaking on Ahmad Brooks and Ray McDonald.  These two have done well in some situations in the pass rush.  I am not in the practices, so maybe they aren't good with run support, but added pressure from these players can possibly open up more dynamic players being put in the position to make plays.  I've been thinking why not have Lawson in at ILB (not every down) doing so would confuse QB's since either he or Willis can be used in coverage and either could be deadly blitzing up the middle,  using speed and height to get to the QB or bother a QB.  Ahmad Brooks has shown some ability in the run and pass rush and can free Lawson for that position.  Added pressure from McDonald would be helpful to Smith and with him being in on more than passing downs, our defense could be less predictable at who is coming on the pressure.  Send P Will along side Smith, Aubrayo, and Haralson (or Brooks) and drop the other side of the D in zone, I think that could be quick pressure against even good OL's.

 

Also to point out a few things on the offense, why haven't we seen Davis lined up at the WR?   Improving blocking and creating a mismatch on the outside, that makes both safeties back off with the presence of Crabtree(one on one he'll get open). We can leave the Duke at his usual position and play Walker on the outside, to create a mismatch.  I'm jsut wondering why aren't we creating mismatches on the offensive side of the ball and defensive.  I also would like to hear if anyone else has ideas about situational subs on O and D, and also if it's too early to do these things or is the personnel not that good.  I personally think we can create situations to help our O-Line with sbbing in talent and creating mismatches.  Didn't want this to be about Raye but I think this is where the offense lacks the MOST.  The OL can be helped in this manner, IMO

Please everyone share some situational substitutions you feel could be good for the team, let's move past the moral victories and fire this guy and who sucks, what do you think can ultimately improve the team as a whole?

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What front 7 would be the most effective creating TO's?
PWill, Brooks, Smith, Sapoaga, McDonald, Lawson, and Haralson
17 votes
The usual 7
24 votes
Brooks, Lawson, Willis, Spikes, Smith Franklin and Sapoaga
9 votes
Haralson, Willis, Spikes, Brooks, Smith, Sapoaga, and McDonald
14 votes

64 votes | Poll has closed

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Also to point out a few things on the offense, why haven’t we seen Davis lined up at the WR?

If I’m not mistaken, they did this a quite a few times during the second half of the Falcons game (and by “quite a few”, I mean compared to not doing it at all).

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't have it TiVo'd or DVR'd...

… or anything, but I seem to remember quite a few times where the 49ers went with “4 WRs” without actually putting a 4th WR on the field. They even went empty backfield at least two or three times without bringing in 4th and 5th WRs, with either two TEs split out or TE/RB.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's what they should do much more often

It’d be interesting to see the Niners go ‘no huddle’ with 2 WR, 2 TE and Gore on the field. They can run out of that set and both Walker and VD are mismatches against linebackers. Always huddling up allows the defense to match their personnel for down and distance—and this puts the Niners at a disadvantage. IIRC, the Niners haven’t gone no huddle except at the very end of games/halves.

Morgan breaks through in 2009!

by grantmp on Nov 3, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love...

… to see the 49ers go with more no-huddle’s, even if it’s only for parts of a drive (i.e. three consecutive plays). I’m sure that takes quite a bit of confidence in Smith from Singletary/Raye, but if what was said about Sunday’s late-first-half drives were true, Alex should really be instilling that trust with each passing week.

I think Smith is definitely smart enough to call plays at the line. If Raye/Singletary are worried about making him think too much, then give him the play-call for the upcoming play, and two plays to choose from for the next one.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't want Smith to think too much..

Because that’s not a good thing.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Nov 4, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No suggestions for formations on D and O?

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by rlott#42 on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

More 3 WR/ 1 TE spread sets. As stated in another thread we can still have the run/pass option with Davis lined up outside the tackle and Gore in the back field. It just fits to the talents of Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan and Alex Smith better.

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by nocal81 on Nov 3, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know that Sing and Raye like the use of the fullback.

I was suggesting Davis in the slot to keep the FB in the lineup and at the same time have 3wr’s. The playfake would be more effective since we usually run with a lead blocker. Davis could move from the slot to the outside and back to the tackle position all within a hurry up offense, and keep us from making substitutions and keep defenses on their heels. This would be my stradegy I have my best components for the run in as well as pass protection and pass completions. Davis can easily line up wide on his own side of the field and take two players out of the first 8 yards from the line of scrimmage.

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by rlott#42 on Nov 3, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of fullback and two TE sets in

Sundays game. Even had a couple of tackle-eligible plays they called.

by smileyman on Nov 3, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can the FB except on goal line sits

go with two TE’s, Walker and Davis. One can motion out to spread the field, or both, or keep them in to block or max protect. Our TE’s can block and run routes…so let’s keep the Defense guessing.

by Tre9er on Nov 3, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To answer your poll question...

I think I’m okay with the way the front seven rotation is currently working. Lawson is still struggling to produce a pass rush, but he seems to be getting better at blowing plays up in the backfield. Haralson has been a “disappointment,” and I think that where he goes, the 49ers’ pass rush will go. I really like the tandem of Willis/Spikes in the middle, too.

I think along the front, Sopoaga and Smith provide for a VERY solid DE combo, as both are tough guys who fight for space. Also, we all know Franklin is playing well over his head right now, so he really shouldn’t be subbed out in base packages.

In all honesty, I think the 49ers need to work on their sub packages. That’s where I think Brooks should be in more often, and I definitely think McDonald is making an impact in those situations. The players, all around the horn, need to just step up in the obvious pass situations.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also.

I put Haralson’s “disappointment” in quotes, because I think it was a false assumption to think he could realistically reproduce what he produced last season without further help from his teammates. It would definitely have been nice to see him develop as a pure pass-rusher, but I don’t think he has EVER been viewed as that, otherwise he probably would have stuck as a 4-3 DE taken a lot earlier than the 49ers took him. If I’m not mistaken (which I could be), he actually had to lose weight to make the transition to OLB.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

So I was mistaken, as my primitive (aka half-trying) Google search for his draft measurements have him at 253. He’s now listed as 255-260, depending on where you look, so he’s actually packed on weight.

In any case, I still stand by my assessment that Haralson couldn’t realistically be depended on to reproduce what he did last season. Pass rushing is a very fickle business, where many players show “glimpses” of talent only to fall off the face of the Earth. That’s why so many teams spend high picks on pass-rushers.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

I guess it would have been nice for me to put all those “responses” into one consolidated response.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like this little conversation you're having with yourself

Haralson has been a disappointment out of the Nickel defense, though. There were times when he just ran around guys last year, and that hasn’t happened this year.

Morgan breaks through in 2009!

by grantmp on Nov 3, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

You can’t just run by people in the NFL, though. That can easily be gameplanned against, and I think Parys is learning just that.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like our front 7

the problem is with the pass coverage. We still give up too many big plays. Even though we played tough against the Colts and held Manning out of the end zone he still got over 300 yards passing against us. Reggie Wayne put up 147 yards by himself.

If we can eliminate the big mistakes on pass coverage we’ll be a top 5 defense.

by smileyman on Nov 3, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Chicken and egg argument.

It could also be argued, though, that if the front 5/6/7 puts pressure on the opposing QB, the DBs’ jobs become much easier. You can have the best DBs in the league in your secondary, but at some point they’re going to let up if the QB has time to throw.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From what I seen in the Colts game we tend to blitz from the OLB and the outside and rarely up the middle.

When you have QB’s (like Manning, Brady, and Breez) You need pressure up the middle to get in their face adn throw off their timing. If we could send Willis up the middle it would bode well for the defense, I was considering Lawson for the coverage in place of Willis. Or even vice versa. I think we would have more success sending four to one side then outside pressure. Less CB blitzes that are timed waaaay too slow.

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by rlott#42 on Nov 3, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CB blitzes

I’m all for the canning of DB blitzes. The 49ers are just flat out bad at them (except for that one by Spencer in ’06 where he absolutely leveled Kitna).

As for more inside pressure, I totally agree. However, with the blitzing of all players on one side (i.e. four to one side), it leaves that side of the field open for at least the early part of a play where the opposing QB can pick it easy for five to ten yards (as it’d take time for Spikes and/or Lawson to slide across the formation without doing it too early to tip off the blitz).

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 49ers just run a very basic 3-4...

… because I think they don’t have the talent to run a more complex 3-4. If they had at least ONE linebacker who could consistently get QB pressure, it would allow them to be more complex, as the offense could either be over-scheming for that one guy and you take the other side or you blitz around that one guy, augmenting his effect on the line.

Right now, the slow/lack-of development of Lawson and Haralson in the pass-rushing aspect of their games is hurting the development of the defense as a whole.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Brooks is our best PR LB next to Willis

I understend they like continuity in the system but the kid looks better than Lawson and Haralson even when they’re fresh in the beginning of the game and Lawson looks better than Haralson this season.

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by rlott#42 on Nov 3, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on all accounts.

I think Brooks definitely has the potential, and I think the team easing him in could be good for him. I think keeping him as rushing end in passing situations allows for him to work on his technique and not worry about working on pass coverage. If he can show that he can do more than try to blow by guys, I’m sure the 49ers would think long and hard about rotating him into the base defense at the expense of Haralson.

I’m definitely glad that Lawson’s developing somewhat well. I’ve never expected him to be a pass rusher, but him showing that he can at least get into the backfield on run plays is pretty encouraging. So far this season, he seems like he knows how to get to the ball. If he continues to work on that and his coverage skills, I think he’d be a really good strong-side OLB in that 3-4. He just needs a better pass-rushing counterpart on the other side of the formation.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I was saying Lawson at the other ILBon some plays, to set that play up

Lawson’s length and speed coming from the ILB would be an easy adjustment

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"Child Please" -Ochocinco

by rlott#42 on Nov 3, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is true.

I think that Lawson playing inside would be great if it was a passing situation. However, I don’t know how stout he is at the point of attack, and the other ILB position is there to kind of free up Willis. Lawson kind of has a tall frame and that could hurt in the trenches, no?

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Only in passing situations(3rd downs)

This would address our 3rd down defense if we can get more pressure 3rd and 4 or 5 he’d be fine we do well getting to the ball and I don’t think a rum would be dangerous to us. But with the ability to send Willis at will teams will have to game plan for it then QB’s are thnkin about it, than they all start looking like the 05 Alex Smith…..lol

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by rlott#42 on Nov 3, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've always...

… wondered why the 49ers don’t play Lawson standing up along-side Willis in their “sub” packages instead of Spikes. Lawson is more in the coverage OLB mold than he is a pass rusher, anyway. Kind of like a half of Julian Peterson.

by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steeler fan here

I must say it is somewhat entertaining to watch the Niners again. I really like what Singletary has brought to you guys. I’ve followed the Niners for years and for the first time in forever they are finally moving in the right direction.

What do you guys think of Alex Smith so far? Can he finally develop into the 1 overall pick?

by StoneColdSteel on Nov 3, 2009 2:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Alex Smith

It’s still too early to say, but he’s definitely playing better than he was before his injury. If he really did call plays by himself leading up to the half, I’d say that he’s probably more confident than he’s ever been in his career.

by sfgfan on Nov 3, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He can, jury is gonna be out one more season, though

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH the steelers fans, my dad is a Steel Curtain lover, so don’t take it personal, but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!

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by rlott#42 on Nov 3, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My brother is one too

I have no idea why.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 5, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Besides Wayne with over 100 yards and Manning over 300, it was good to see the success of the defense. I wasn’t able to view the game fully though but it seems like there were potential interceptions and forced fumbles that we didn’t capitalize on.

How did Michael Lewis play? He had some tackles so I’m hoping he’s recovered a bit and doing well, and fortunately didn’t get injured again.

by fortyniners on Nov 3, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs


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