Weapons & Matchups (49ers vs. Titans)
Finally back!! It will be nice to have a home game after what has seemed like an eternity of playing road games even though it was just 2...
This week we face the Tennessee Titans who are coming off a win against the Jags after 6 straight losses. I didn't catch much of the game (Titans vs. Jags) but Tennessee seemed to be rejuvinated with Vince Young in at QB and walked away with barely a speck of dirt on their jersey's in a 30-13 routing of a division opponent.
I wanted to keep the theme of the weapons and matchups going each week. If it continues to get a bit of response then it's well worth me taking the time to do it. Last week I gave a full breakdown of players on both the 49ers and the Colts giving a grade (A-F) in what I thought each player deserved followed by a short summary attached to the players. Once I completed the grades, I counted them all out and gave a team grade based on the average. After that, at the bottom of the post, I look at some of the possible key matchups that would or could have an impact in the game. After the jump, I will continue with the grading, followed by the matchups.
Disclaimer: These are only my opinions obviously and you are welcome to your own. If you see something that you would grade differently feel free to say so.
I will only include the starters (12 on offense and 12 on defense. Yeah there's 11 on each side but I am adding a 3rd WR and a 3rd DB) for each team. Here goes:
49ERS OFFENSE
QB- Alex Smith [C]- (This is the grade that I had him at last week. Even though I am somewhat pleased so far, I still need to see more from him to bump it up. Had he pulled off a game winning drive in the 2nd half last week, he probably would have received a biased bump up to a B. We will see what he does at home against a team who has struggled since the departure of Haynesworth on defense).
RB- Frank Gore [B]- (I bumped Gore from the C I had him at last week. Reason being is that he looked to be back going at 100%. All around he played well. Only 13 carries for 91 yards and though most of it came on a 64 yarder, he looked to be back running at Frank the Tank full speed. He also had 43 yards on 5 receptions and the pass blocking looked to be very strong as always with him. Glad to see #21 back).
FB- Moran Norris [B]- (This grade did not change for me. Norris proved that he is an asset not only in key blocks helping to spring Gore for long runs but also in 3rd and short yardage situations. He's not as fast but in some ways I find myself wondering if he could be used on screen passes similar to a William Floyd or Tom Rathman. I've seen a couple but I don't think they were executed well. Maybe just not well designed plays).
TE- Vernon Davis [A]- (Forget the C for Captian on his jersey, this guy flat out needs a superman symbol sewed there instead. Vernon continues to amaze me this season. I expected him to do better but so far he is having a breakout year. Mc Boo Foo needs to by any means necessary keep him on the team. They better pay him in the offseason).
WR- Josh Morgan [C]- (I'm not going to change much here. I don't feel like he did much in respect to bumping this grade up. He threw a couple nice blocks I noticed. Other than that he caught it once for 3 yards so I don't have much to go on there).
WR- Isaac Bruce [C]- (I did want to bump Bruce to a B because I did see small flashes of the old Bruce in the last game {4 receptions for 51 yards} wasn't too bad. I beleive he dropped another one or maybe two. I can't recall exactly but I remember at least one.).
WR- Michael Crabtree [B]- (Obviously we saw that he is a rookie and is going to make the typical rookie mistakes. I had him at a B last week and it will stay as a B this week but I think most of us agree that we have something special in Crabtree. 6 catches for 81 yards with a long of 27 yards that Smith threaded in between 2 DB's and Crabtree almost broke loose and took his first to the house. I think he will get in the endzone this week. At least I hope).
LT- Barry Sims [C]- (I probably would catch alot of heat for giving this guy a B but I don't think that Staley could have held off Freeney all that much better. Sims did a fabulous job of filling in when Staley went down. I was really surprised and I hope he can keep it up for a while until Staley recovers).
LG- David Baas [D]- (Again, I wanted to bump him up to a C. I feel like our entire line played fairly well for a change and against a team with who some would say have the best D-line in the NFL).
C- Eric Heitmann [B]- (He would be an A but I think that he is partially to blame for the others around him not doing well. The Center is the head of the offensive line. He's got to make the guys around him better for him to earn an A with me. I will only add to what I commented on last week (the previous two sentences) that I feel until there's continuity in our line playing decent, that he will probably keep the B grade).
RG- Chilo Rachal [D]- (Even Rachal played a bit better, I hope he's finally getting it. If he does well again and plays virtually as well as last week and continues it for a little while, I will bump this grade to a C. I am not going to hold my breath but I am pulling for the guy).
LT- Adam Snyder [C]- (Considering that he had to block Mathis on the other side of Freeney, he did a so-so job at keeping Mathis in check for a majority of the game. Out of everybody on their D-line, Mathis put the most pressure on Smith so Snyder stays put where he's at with a C).
49ERS DEFENSE
LDE- Isaac Sopoaga [D]- (I am not sure if Isaac read my post last week and was pissed that I graded him at a D but hey, whatever works right. I am keeping him at a D just because I think he lacks speed. If he has back to back games like the one he had last week, I may be convinced enough to give him a C).
NT- Abrayo Franklin [C]- (Last week I mentioned that he exploded out of the gates and since has just leveled off at an average level of play. I think it is difficult to grade a NT in a 3-4 defense because he's not going to get a ton of tackles or sacks usually. I will pay close attention to Franklin this week and I may consider bumping him to a B).
RDE- Justin Smith [B]- (Smith has been all over the place. It seems as I am watching the game, he is in on every single play. And when he's not, he's usually breathing down the opposing QB's neck...this was the comment from last week and I am going to keep it there. I feel like he is getting ready to have a Jared Allen-like game here soon. Hopefully this week... Vince Young is pretty quick and crafty on his feet so I think for the entire D-line, it will be an extremely tough challenge).
LOLB- Manny Lawson [C]- (Several plays of last weeks game I noticed Manny laying flat on his back. He is a real disappointment for me. Probably the biggest disappontment on the defense for me. I expected much more than what he has been bringing to the table. I would like to see Diyral Briggs get some playing time this week to see what he brings to the table. Maybe even throw Brooks in there a little more. I will give Manny a C but if I see more of what I saw last week he will be getting a D).
LILB- Takeo Spikes [A]- (I was sure glad to see him out there. It made me a bit nervous with the injury to his shoulder. I have plenty of confidence in Scotty McKillop but he's obviously still learning the game as a rookie).
RILB- Patrick Willis [A]- (Willis is a beast. I am not sure throughout all the years of watching football that I have enjoyed watching any other defensive guy as much as I do him. He changes the way teams have to play. He takes teams strengths and chews em up and spits em out. I could write a book here but I think it's a safe assumption to say that every Niner fan would agree with the grade here).
LOLB- Parys Haralson [B]- (I didn't really notice Haralson all too much against the Colts but I am not ready to change the grade here. I think that out of all the linebackers on the team, he has the most potential to be an A along side Willis someday here soon. He's been a menace in most of the games and I feel like he's going to break out here shortly).
LCB- Tarell Brown [C]- (For such short notice, and the lack of NFL experince, I really wanted to give him a B here. Now that Clements is out, he's got some pretty big shoes to fill. I think he can do it and I have alot of confidence that he will be the starter there for a long time to come).
SS- Michael Lewis [C]- (He was like a ghost out there on Sunday. I am not sure if that's a bad thing or a good thing. Manning still got a bunch of yards in the air, so I think you have to hold both safeties partially accountable for that even though they kept the WR's out of the endzone.).
FS- Dashon Goldson [D]- (I am not sure who was supposed to be responsible for coverage on that Half-Back Pass that they ran on us to seal the deal but I suspect it was partially here and mostly on whoever let Wayne go on the original coverage. I will have to go back and look at the play to solidify the blame).
RCB- Shawntae Spencer [C]- (Spencer had a B from me last week but after Wayne racked up 12 catches for 147 yards and it was his guy a majority of the game, we have to take a step back here. He certainly could redeem himself this week. Everyone has an off game or two through the course of a season so we will see if it was just that he had a bad game or that alot of us were drinking too much Kool-Aid on him. Time will tell).
5DB- Dre Bly [C]- (Playmaker, risk taker, ball hawk...all these things can also be his down fall as well. Bly really still has not made up for his blunder and brain fart against Atlanta....I'mmmmm waaaaiiitinnngg. If he doesn't do anything this week, I am demoting him to a D).
OVERALL TEAM GRADE = C+ (80 Points)
TITANS OFFENSE
QB- Vince Young [C]- (The Titans needed a change of pace much like the Niners did. This guy can be a triple threat. He runs well, pocket prescence, and can pass the ball. He is not the most accurate QB in the league but we definitely will have to be careful in bringing the pressure. We will have to have a spy on him a majority of the game).
RB- Chris Johnson [A]- (Dangerous...would be the best one word description. He's averaging 117 yards per game, 150 yards shy of 1000 already. It's very difficult to contain him. He's proven on several occasions through the course of this season that he can take it to the house just about anytime and from anywhere on the field. He not only runs the ball well but catches it also. It will be up to Spikes and Willis to stop him and Young)
FB- Ahmard Hall [C]- (I am not all too familiar with the Titans fullback but I think it's safe to assume that he's pretty decent considering what Johnson has done. By looking at his stats, I have to go with a C here. If any Titan fans visit the site this week, feel free to set me straight if I am wrong here).
TE- Bo Scaife [C]- (Certainly one of the better blocking TE's in the league. He's not known all that much as being a receiving TE but he can catch passes and he can hurt you if you ignore him. He's about the middle of the pack as far as stats are concerned with receiving. Maybe just a shade below. Sometimes stats are deceiving though. We cannot ignore this guy or he'll hurt us).
WR- Justin Gage [D]- (I've never been real fond of Justin Gage and I am not sure how he gets the #1 spot of receivers on this roster. He's always been average at best. Let me put it in perspective...this year Michael Crabtree has just 7 catches less than Gage. He could surpass him this game if things go well. I give him a D).
WR- Nate Washington [C]- (He is probably the most talented WR on the squad and has the most potential. The problem with the potential this year so far is that he is not living up to it. He has 20 catches in 7 games and I feel like I am giving him benefit of the doubt with a C).
WR- Kenny Britt [C]- (Again, just another average receiver. This is not the Titans strength and if I was them I would be looking to draft a WR pretty high next year. Although there are many holes on this team to address. I have seen Britt go up and after a few this year. Between him and Washington, our DB's should have the edge here).
LT- Michael Roos [C]- (Has given up a few sacks. Probably better at run-blocking than pass blocking but that's good for the Titans and what they need given that they really only are successful when they run the ball).
LG- Eugene Amano [D]- (This side of the line is not the Titans strength in my opinion. It seems that a majority of Johnson's seams and big gains have come from the other side of the line).
C- Kevin Mawae [A]- (Pro Bowl just about every year. One of the meanest Centers in the league. This guy is the poster child for what any team should want in a center. What is funny abou this guy is that while known for one of the most fierce offensive linemen in the NFL, off the field he is considered to be one of the most good-hearted well-rounded people...so I have heard and seen on interviews. Class act here. Getting old though).
RG- Jake Scott [B]- (Before the trade deadline, this was one of the guys I was hoping the Niners would go after. He would have been perfect for Chilo to sit behind and learn from. Also very tough and when Johnson is running the gap in between Mawae and Scott he is going to gain gain a bunch of yardage).
RT- David Stewart [B]- (Probably the stronger tackle of the two on the team. It's going to be very difficult to break through this line to get to Young. Especially considering Young's mobility).
TITANS DEFENSE
LDE- William Hayes [C]- (Filling in for and injured Jevon Kearse, he is doing just that...filling in. Not exactly what you'd call an impact player here. He's gonna get you a few tackles here and there but beyond that this guy is just a solid back up).
LDT- Jovan Haye [D]- (Had his best year in 2007 with Tampa. Since then there hasn't been a whole lot of havoc going on on the interior at this position for the Titans).
RDT- Tony Brown [B]- (This guy can get to the QB and stop the run. He's on the smaller side for what you would want in a DT but it helps in the area of speed. He can track down a RB running horizontally).
RDE- Kyle Vanden Bosch [B]- (Lots of parralels between Vanden Bosch and Justin Smith. He can flat out get after the QB. He has the potential to make it a long day for Alex Smith and company whether he's working against Sims or Snyder. This would be a very big concern for me except I like the job we did against Freeney and Mathis. We will see if he can get after Smith and stop the run. Sometimes his weakness is overpersuit. He could get burnt on a few draw plays if he's not careful).
SSLB- David Thornton [C]- (Not much more than what we saw in Clint Session last week. In fact, he reminds me alot of Session. Average LB with average skills. He gets a C).
MLB- Stephen Tulloch [B]- (Decent LB with a decent set of skills. He can stop the run and does well spying on QB's and dropping back in to coverage. From what I have seen he is a well-rounded linebacker. His problem is that he can be streaky. He either looks like a genius or a schmuck. Lets hope for the latter in that equation).
WSLB- Keith Bulluck [A]- (Even though he is getting up there in age, this guy can still flat out play. He flys to the ball, he doesn't let up and leads this defense very well when they are playing as a unit. He has had trouble up until their last game in bringing everyone together. He will be effective against us but I hope that is limited somehow, someway).
LCB- Jason McCourty [D]- (I don't think a rookie should ever start at the CB position in the NFL. This guy has done well with consideration but not exactly what you'd want to have in there on a starting defense. He can come up and stop the run but thats where the train stops. He has potential but I always say, "potential means it ain't happened yet". If he's covering Crabtree it'll be a long day I feel...Possible poster material for Crabs).
SS- Chris Hope [C]- (Well if the Niners can get some rythem in the passing game, Chris better "Hope" he has the wheels to keep up with Vernon and Crabtree. In all seriousness, he reminds me a little bit of Michael Lewis. Great at coming up and stuffing the run, but not exactly the best in coverage. Puts himself in position enough though).
FS- Michael Griffin [B]- (Not his best year so far. I think alot of people were expecting more from him considering his stellar ability to ball hawk and then run it back for yardage afterward. Although he hasn't quite plucked a couple from the air just yet, he has jarred a couple balls loose. We cannot sleep on this guy or we'll be in trouble. Despite his lack of stats, he is still the best DB on this team right now).
RCB- Cortland Finnegan [C]- (I would give him a slightly higher grade but he has been streaky as well. Another guy we cannot sleep on or he will fly outta nowhere and grab one out of the air. He also has the ablility to take it to the house after he picks one. This may be one of those games that you do hope the run game gets rolling early and often).
5DB- Ryan Mouton [D]- (Another rookie DB. Not the best option for them if you ask me but I'll take it. If we can create some ISO on him and McCourty we could see Alex have a very big day with some very big numbers).
OVERALL TEAM GRADE= C+ (82 Points)
KEY MATCHUPS
Alex Smith vs, Titans Defense- Edge= Smith
Vince Young vs. 49ers Defense- Edge= 49ers Defense
Frank Gore vs. Titans LB's- Edge= Gore
Chris Johnson vs. 49ers LB's- Edge= Draw
Vernon Davis vs. Titans LB's, DB's- Edge= Davis
Bo Scaife vs. 49ers LB's, DB's- Edge= 49ers LB's, DB's
Shawntae Spencer vs. Justin Gage- Edge= Spencer
Tarell Brown vs. Nate Washington- Edge= Draw
Michael Crabtree vs. Jason McCourty- Edge= Crabtree
Isaac Bruce vs. Cortland Finnegan- Edge= Finnegan
49ers O-line vs. Titans D-line- Edge= Titans D-line
Titans O-line vs. 49ers D-line- Edge- Titans O-line
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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49ers inch away with victory
Vince Young isn’t good enough in the passing game, in my opinion, to convince me that the titans can win this one. That Johnson kid is fantabulous, but so is All Day Adrian Peterson, and the 49ers kept him in check. My point being, the 49ers have a pretty darn good run defense, and because I think that’s what the titans will need in order to win the game this Sunday, I think the 49ers come out on top. I shy away from saying that they’ll dominate this game because I’m still not convinced that Smith is better. He gets rid of the ball quicker these days, and I think he got that cue from watching his good friend Shaun Hill operate while he was on the sidelines, but as it stands, he still has happy feet; he still has an inaccurate arm; and he still isn’t able to move his way around the pocket as effectively given his “speed” at qb (it’s called pocket presense and being able to improvise).
Never mind the record, and fans will realize that the titans still have a decent defense, one that I think stacks up well against a 49ers offense that’s still struggling to find an identity. The latter is always huge no matter what team you’re playing against (unless that team is the St. Lunatics or the team owned by the most senile man on earth, Al Davis).
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 4, 2009 2:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i forgot this part
49ers win because they’re at home, Smith has new life, Frank is back, and the defense improves because Clements is out… oops, I meant to say because P. Willie is Dy-no-MITE!!!
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 4, 2009 2:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Niners just eek out a small victory it will be a moral loss, a hollow win. Titans are the team that lost to the Pats 119-0 earlier in the season
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Nov 4, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(I meant to hit cancel on that)
But, if they come away from the game with new direction and confidence it can turn into a good thing.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Nov 4, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the Titans
the extra 12th man on offense should’ve been LenDale White, and also the team is going to have to account to a multiple TE set, Crumpler and Scaife.
This match-up doesn’t line up (not yours, I mean the Titans vs. the Niners) and I think this has the potential to be the toughest “win” for San Francisco this season. Defensively, Gore should be able to tear the middle apart and make people miss in the secondary. Jacksonville has a shady O-Line, and the Titans pressured Garrard all day. I think the 49ers O-Line is better than the Jags, and Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree are better than the Jags #1 TE and WR.
When the Titans have the ball on offensive is where the problems can come. Chris Johnson is an absolute burner, and LenDale White is an absolute bruiser. This is the first time all season the team has to face two RBs in the same game with such glaring differences. The team has had solid run D all season long, but these two RBs frighten me. I’m not concerned about Vince Young so much, because Manny Lawson and Parys Haralson should have the discipline and speed to contain him from scrambling his way to first downs.
Obviously, I think our CBs out match their WRs, but the crafty veteran presence of two TEs could pose a threat as well. After all, look at what Owen Daniels did to us, and what Dallas Clark did to us late in the Indy game. Neither Scaife nor Crumpler are the caliber of those two, but they’ve been around long enough to know how to be successful.
The 49ers haven’t faced a team like the Titans all season long, but I also believe that the Titans win last week helps improve the 49ers chance of win this week. Reason 1, because the Titans are now off the snide and have to travel to San Francisco. Reason 2, because now the 49ers won’t be worried about being the first “W” on a winless team’s schedule. I think the 49ers will be preparing for a hungry Titans team, and they know what Tennessee can do when executing well.
Also, Franklin deserve better than a C, he’s been playing at B, borderline A, level all season long. He’s truly developed into a beast of a NT, and hopefully he won’t jump for huge bucks in the offseason and stay in San Francisco for a relatively home town discount deal.
I think Spencer deserve a B also, for that swat he had on the pass intended for Wayne in the end zone. Yeah Wayne had 12 grabs, but it’s Reggie Wayne we are talking about. It’s not like he let Wayne go off, it’s the fact that when Peyton Manning is throwing 48 passes, it’s not going to be easy to keep Wayen under 10 catches for anyone. The lone TD allowed came on a play that no one saw coming. Who knew Addai was a lefty? Who knew Indy would call such a slick play? Addai had never thrown a pass in his career, so to say the very least, that play was incredibly tricky.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 4, 2009 6:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1 on a B for Spencer. Peyton completed a lot of passes but he didn’t really get what he wanted as far as the knockout play or even a TD. I’d say the entire secondary frustrated Manning a bit although he wasn’t throwing his best.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Nov 4, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
key matchups: Titans running O vs. 9ers run D, and 9ers pass O vs. Titans pass D
Like AD just wrote, the Titans 2-headed rushing attack is formidable. Chris Johnson is scary fast and LenDale is less fat but still a load to bring down. The key will be the amount of push the Niners D-Line will be able to get against them. Hopefully the fact that the game is being played in SFO will make the snap count difficult to hear so that the Titans’ O-Line isn’t able to just fire off the ball, opening up big holes for those two. This match-up is a good one and key to the game because it’s strength on strength; the Niners have held some big-name running backs down (opponents average only 3.2 ypc (!) this year) and have stayed in games that way.
The other matchup I mention is just the opposite: it’s weakness on weakness. The Niners have passed the ball very poorly over the course of this season; they’ve only cracked 200 yards passing once (the loss to the Texans) and passed for less than 150 yards in two games. The Titans pass defense, by contrast, has been owned by opponents so far; they’ve given up 300 yards+ in 4 games, 400 yards+ in 1 game—and, rather oddly, less than 150 yards in two other games. This game may very well depend on which Titans pass defense shows up on Sunday.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good article
And for the most part I like the grades, but you seem a bit off on a couple. For instance Dashon Goldson getting a D. The man had 10 tackles last Sunday. 10! That’s insane for a FS. And the man wasn’t just pulling them down by their shoe laces, he was packing heat and getting in some mean hits. Also, Michael Lewis had 5 tkls and a ff. Pretty good for a guy just coming back from a concussion.
by Kaizre on Nov 4, 2009 9:27 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
because I didn’t realize Goldson had 10 tackles (9 solo, 1 assist). Also, I don’t think it would’ve mattered if those tackles were shoe lace tackles, having 10 in one game is impressive for a FS.
Excellent observation on your point, I completely overlooked Dashon on the stat sheet (he also had 1 PD).
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 4, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Drew K is considering previous weeks aswell and trends of the player for the whole season, not just only the previous week. So even though Goldson is having some decent games, he’s not having a huge season as was expected before the season started as a ball hawk. But yea I don’t think anyone on our defense is a D even though the unit is still learning to play together and hopefully improving each week. No TD’s to Manning, that’s huge.
by fortyniners on Nov 4, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Goldson
I didn’t realize that Goldson did that well also. 10 tackles is alot. Consistency is why I kept him at a D. If he has a good game this week, depending on what he does, He could easily move up to a C…maybe even B.
Lewis… I guess I just didn’t notice him all too much. I mentioned the concusion last week. I am not sure Lewis is or has been playing B level ball all year. He has lost a step or two though and it seems about 50/50 that he is out of position on pass plays.
When I was grading these two, I had to consider Manning’s 347 yards. No TD’s which is the main objective but somene blew the coverage on the 1 TD pass they did have. When a RB is running semi-backwards and holding the ball the way Addai was, 10 times out of 10 it’s a HB-Pass. So I had to put some blame on the safeties for that. That was the difference in the game.
by Drew K on Nov 4, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
You get that meany tackles because there were plenty of passing yards and catches surrndered. No it isn’t his fault but to have Manning pass 40 plus times and no deflections or int’s doesn’t sit well when we’re talking about a FS. D is a fair grade, especially since we have been torched in the passing game for a few weeks now.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
10 tackles is easy when the Colts ran a thousand plays….
by hudd07 on Nov 5, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Credit where credit is due
D. Goldson 10
Spencer 8
P. Willis 8
T. Spikes 5
M. Lewis 5
M. Hudson 4
J. Smith 7
These were the leading tacklers for the team this past weekend. If that was true, don’t you think EVERYONE would have had a bunch of tackles. My problem with Goldson is that he’s not consistent. The green dot seemed to have helped him. We will see if it translates this week as well. His coverage is what he needs to get better on. He’s fine in helping out with the run.
by Drew K on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok you get 10 tackles and your secondary surrenders 300 plus
What credit is due with that. Majority of the plays that Manning didn’t make was his timing being thrown off and him coming out flat, it had nothing to do with our DB’s, he missed passes that were open for 6!!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand you dislike Goldson and for some reason and you want to see him fail…it’s been clearly painted all over these posts but he was the leading tackler this past weekend and he made some pretty good plays to prevent some 1st downs in that game. It’s your right to dislike a player but if someone does good on this team, I am going to give them credit for whatever they did. I really am not fond of Lawson and I don’t really think he’s the best guy to be on that field. Personally I think Brooks would be a better option there. But if Lawson happens to make some good plays and puts the team in a position to win ANY game, I will give him credit. I mentioned that Goldsons coverage needs work but I also realize that this is really his first full year back there. Sometimes it doesn’t happen overnight.
This is a serious question, and I hope you dont take offense to it, but are you hoping Goldson will fail so it will justify drafting a safety in the 1st round? I could be wrong but that’s how it comes off at times with your opinions of Goldson. I don’t really think that he is performing that well in coverage either but there have been plenty of 1st year 2nd year guys that struggled early until the game slowed down for them.
by Drew K on Nov 5, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I am a 49ers fan, but I am also realistic about a players performance especially when it hurts the team.
He was being talked about, so I commented on GOLDSON. I don’t give much credit to tackles by D-Backs because 1 they weren’t for a loss and they weren’t for 2 or 3 yard gains and most of the time when your safety leads in tackles you gave up plenty of passes. Why no comment for hudd07? We don’t need a tackling safety, we need someone to make plays. Maybe Smith would be better served there. You are right and wrong about my intentions as far as the team needing a safety. We also need corners too!! As much as I want Eric Berry to fall to us I hope we trade out of the first round with one of those picks or both. It was the move we should have made last year, and I think adding Crabtree was good(although I don’t admit it much), but we have several holes. Yeah it was good to see Manning not get a TD pass, but the DL had waaaay more to do with that than the DB’s. All I heard about Goldson is his ballhawking abilities, well where are they? He doesn’t have any, he gives up on plays it has nothing to do with getting used to the position. A player crosses in front of you and no other WR or TE is near you and you don’t go defend? We don’t need that, and frankly you calling him an all-pro is nothing more than you not wanting us to draft a safety that high in the draft. TO each his own, but I wouldn’t have called you out on it, like you’re trying to do me. Darius Byrd is a rookie and has 7 picks………….7 Goldson has 1 and one pass deflected, the Niners wanted Byrd with the 2nd round pick and traded it away, so obviously they know they need a Free Safety, and they will have to get one and a DB, we’ll be shocked again next draft, just you wait. Our pass D has been crap for years and still is. Front 7 did the job this week as usual.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that Goldson lacks the great coverage skills…thats why I graded him at a D. I just think regardless of position, 10 tackles is alot. So I was just saying give credit where credit is due in that regard. Had it been a different name back there, people would have been giving more credit. He may not even have another game like that again in his career…or he may continue to just get better and better; there’s no telling on that really. All I was doing is trying to point out the performance he had against the Colts…nothing else. He hasn’t been consistent and thats my main problem with him or anyone else on the team (which includes Jimmy Raye).
I agree with you that he lacks the ball-hawking skills that a FS should have. I would like to see what Reggie Smith can do but the safety position they have him at is SS, so the chances of him taking over at FS are pretty much none. If Goldson doesn’t crank up the level of play by season end or even before that, I am all for getting a FS in the draft too. Reggie Smith at SS and a potentially awesome safety like Berry or Mays does sound nice. Me, personally though, since Goldson is the guy right now, I would like to see him do well and not get beat as much in coverage.
When you bring a guy like Byrd in to the conversation, I think it’s pretty safe to say that his play this year as a rookie is way beyond normal. If he continues, he should get the Rookie of the Year Award…although I suspect it’s already predetermined that Harvin will have it (maybe rightfully so). In any case, Byrd’s play is far exceeding expectations of any rookie.
by Drew K on Nov 5, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least we can say Mc Boo Foo had his eye on the right player
I have a buddy and a brother that are BiLLs fans, and they remined me 20 times that the Niners wanted Byrd, plus they rubbed it in because i didn’t want Crabtree, I can’t wait to shut them up about the holdout.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Yeah it would have been a win-win either way in that scenario. It seems that Byrd is going to being one of the better FS of the league for years to come.
As for Crabtree…I don’t even know what to think. Despite his couple rookie errors last week, I think he has superstar written all over him. I hate to say things prematurely and count my chickens before they hatch but I am very impressed so far. I mean the guy missed training camp, geting used to the playbook, etc…and he just steps on the field as a rookie and has that type of influence already? All I have to say is WOW. I cannot wait to see him score his first TD. I still to this day remember Rice’s 1st TD reception from Montana againsst Atlanta…so I am anxious to see that with Crabtree. Maybe this week against Tennessee. fingers crossed
by Drew K on Nov 5, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't think it was a great game for a FS, try some PD's or Int's, he is a Free Safety
And for the most part I like the grades, but you seem a bit off on a couple. For instance Dashon Goldson getting a D. The man had 10 tackles last Sunday. 10! That’s insane for a FS. And the man wasn’t just pulling them down by their shoe laces, he was packing heat and getting in some mean hits
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by rlott#42 on Nov 7, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
VD can’t be an A this week in my book. Elite receivers have to make some sort of effort to get their feet in bounds on 3rd down plays. It’s like it’s not worth the trouble for him unless it’s over 30yards or for a TD.
Morgan = D. He was given the start over Bruce and did nothing last week except get an awful celebration penalty.
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by cybermaldonado on Nov 4, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am am more or less basing it off of an overall basis. If someone has a breakout game followed by another solid game that could change a game. The opposite of that is true as well.
As far as Vernon, I can’t really justify downgrading him to a B when he is leading the league in receiving TD’s as a TE. Missing one toe tap isn’t enough for me to consider dropping him. Especially when he got open and scored the only receving TD this past week.
If Morgan doesn’t produce this coming week, he will drop.
by Drew K on Nov 4, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't agree with Morgan being a D, I also really don't have much to argue except
Alex Smith locks in on targets and he pretty much locked in on Crabtree. Crabs had the most targets this past week hence the production.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan
77 DYAR (25 in NFL), 23.2% DVOA (12th in NFL). He’s really good, but he’s been targeted less than 30 times this season.
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by Viliphied on Nov 7, 2009 1:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Found this quote on the si.com power rankings
“Toward the end of 2006 (when Smith and Dilfer were teammates in San Francisco), that’s what (offensive coordinator) Norv (Turner) was moving toward, some empty backfield sets and spreading the field with receivers. Alex’s used to that and that’s what he how he knows how to play,” Dilfer said. “But I don’t think the 49ers will have the wisdom and the foresight to change to that degree. I just don’t.”
This is exactly how I feel. It just seems so clear that the gameplan needs to let Alex free, but until I see it, I won’t have faith in them to actually go through with it.
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 4, 2009 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok
If we spread out the offense and leave Smith behind 5 linemen protecting him, how long will we get to see a healthy Alex Smith? Our O-Line sucks, we can’t just spread everyone out and leave Smith with basic protection, it won’t work. The team has to pick and choose the spots to use the “spread”, which they have done so far.
We also can’t always use the “spread” all the time because running Frank Gore is a wise decision. Putting Gore behind Norris is much easier to run the ball than Gore split out wide, motioning into the backfield and running behind the same 5 linemen that can’t block for Smith.
The 49ers used Shotgun on Sunday, and had 3 WR formations with a TE and Gore in the backfield for blitz support. That’s the best formation the team can use for a “spread” attack.
by Andrew Davidson on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I favor a hurry up offense with our 5 OL, Gore, FB, Crabtree, Morgan and Davis. We can alternate back and forth from Davis in the slot and Davis lined by the tackle, give A Smith a 2 Minute Offense on a wristband so we can avoid delay of games. We don’t need to always use the spread but we do need ot create matchups for the D to worry about to open up the run game and take some pressure off of our OL.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
‘If we spread out the offense and leave Smith behind 5 linemen protecting him, how long will we get to see a healthy Alex Smith? Our O-Line sucks, we can’t just spread everyone out and leave Smith with basic protection, it won’t work. The team has to pick and choose the spots to use the "spread", which they have done so far.’
I strongly agree with A.D. on this.
by zacksf on Nov 6, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he has
that extra second to get the pass off, I don’t think the line would matter that much. Assuming that he would be working it from a shotgun. He’s getting it out at lightning speed right now and it seems to have been giving our line a lift
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere (don't remember where)
that every time Moran Norris is in, the opposing defense brings another man in the box. I know Jimmy Raye has had some FB passes but I think on 2nd and short or 3rd and short the should have Gore and Norris in the backfield and do passes where they have Norris block and have Gore out in the flat. They could have V-Dav in and Crabtree and Morgan as the WRs. I don’t believe I have seen Norris pass block. Also they should do a formation where they have Davis in the FB position. If V-Dav is at the FB position, the D-coordinator might not see or realize it. That could create mismatches and utilize V-Dav’s blocking skills and mix things up a little bit. Please correct me if I said anything that is not true because I obviously don’t know all the formations that the 49ers have run
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by iaalexeeff on Nov 4, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They used to run that
alot when Ricky Watters and William Floyd were back there. Maybe not in the same exact formation but I remember at times they would swing Watters in to the flat and Floyd would stay behind to bolck for Young. Also, sometimes they’d both swing out in the flat, 1 on each side with one going left and one going right.
Stuff like this will never happen as long as Jimmy Raye is th OC. He will never do more than the 10 run plays and 10 pass plays that he’s limited to. When people ask me what is he not doing that is creative, this is the exact thing. He doesn’t think outside the box. You think ever in a million years he would have called a play like the halfback-pass the Colts ran against us to win the game? Hell no. And he just doesn’t create the best possible mismatches. I have already stated that I don’t want a new OC every single year but I do not like Raye. I mean who calls a FB dive on 2nd and 10 when the game is on the line. These are the types of plays and decisions that make me not like him as our OC.
by Drew K on Nov 4, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he is so stubborn due to the weak O-line play
but maybe not. I know in one of the press conferences he said that running the 60% and passing 40% is a balanced offense. I like running the football but you need to open up the playbook. Hopefully as Smith, Crabtree, and the O-Line develop, the playbook opens. I hope they use a HB pass like the Colts did.
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by iaalexeeff on Nov 4, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the thing though
I think that his playbook is opened up and we have seen exactly what we’re going to get. The line looks to be playing better because Alex is getting the ball out of his hand really really fast. It’s probably building confidence in them.
With how old Raye is, I am not so sure he will be in the league very much longer. I would like to see someone a little bit younger in there with innovative ideas on what to do with the talent. Also someone who is looking to build a resume and be in there for a while. Jimmy Raye’s resume is maxed out and it’s not that impressive.
There is a bunch of young talent coming together on this team. If it’s guided in the right direction, then we will be enjoying a bunch of wins, playoffs, etc…things we grew used to watching before.
by Drew K on Nov 4, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know Kezarvet will back me on this one
It might make sense to have Michael Robinson play some fullback and throw some passes to both Gore and him out of the I-Form. Robinson may be a crappy running back, but he is a good receiver out of the backfield, and his blocking ability is pretty decent.
Morgan breaks through in 2009!
by grantmp on Nov 5, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they wanted ot mae room for our QB Coach to move into the position within the same system.
Which would make sense, so our offense has continuity.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine with me if the system
is the same…I like the idea of the continuity. However, I just hope with the sets and formations that if it is indeed the QB coach that takes over, that he develops new plays utilizing the talent there and creating better mismatches. I mean just with Vernon Davis alone….he’s a mismatch on most DB’s cause of strength, size, and ability…and on LB’s he can outrun probably 100% of them in the league. Crabtree, Gore, etc… several mismatches “could” be created. Its just not happening a ton.
With Alex getting rid of the ball at lightning speed, it seems that the O-line is gaining more confidence and that should help in the process of the evolution of this team also.
by Drew K on Nov 5, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see that in Raye but he is building a solid foundation by not becoming frustrated
It will prove helpful down the stretch.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look up at the ratings on the offense from one of our fans
Crabtree-B
Morgan-D
Davis-A
Bruce-D
Why should we pass more with players that can’t get open or drop passes and a QB who has yet to find a rhythm on the offense?
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there is no way
Morgan should be at a D
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by Viliphied on Nov 7, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why is it?
Every week seems like a ‘watershed’ game for the Niners?
This week I think it’s simply – do we have an offense, or not? I think the Titans are going to put up some points on the board – not a lot – but they won’t get shut out either. 17 points or so.
Can the niners put up 21? I think they can, and if they can’t? To ’ell with ’em, and wait until next year.
Obviously, something like a 21-17 game goes out the window if one team makes a bunch of mistakes early.
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by zenbitz on Nov 5, 2009 3:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds about right, maybe that's why it's the Vegas line...
If they can’t pull out this game, to ’ell with ’em. Though I suspect a TD & 2-3 FGs instead of 2TDs & a FG from TEN.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 5, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest matchup is not any player vs another
It is Brown responding to run support since Clements is gone. You can look for the Titans to make plenty runs to the right, off tackle and tosses, there won’t be much for Johnson up the middle. I for one have always hated Clements in coverage, but not in run support, he is an absolute beast and this game, Clements will be missed. Also, our OLB’s don’t do well on weakside vs the playaction fake, and with Johnson, you can expect our Defense to be tested with it. Hopefully Johnson can’t pass or it can be a very long day for SF defense. I’m not sure about the injuries in Tennessee as far as DB’s go, but if their starters play, them being abused as usual will not be the case and we may have to get into a shootout.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 5, 2009 10:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
true but. cornerbacks have to cover.
In my opinion, most of the time Eric Wright was a more effective corner than Ronnie Lott*. (Though I love them both.) Eric did more isolated coverage on the other teams elite receivers, got the key strip in the 1st superbowl against Cincinati, the pick against Miami…
Anyway, i would judge a cb on his cover ability.
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by zacksf on Nov 6, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not worth a response, but, really?
In my opinion, most of the time Eric Wright was a more effective corner than Ronnie Lott*.
Lott played safety for most of his career, and he was an all-pro corner!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree that Eric Wright
was an even more effective cover man than Ronnie who got all the press. The best cover man the Niners ever had was Jimmy Johnson. Tall, fast, long arms and a great hitter. Many times they would go an entire game without throwing to Johnson’s man. He was the most intimidating cover man I personally have ever seen.
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by kezarvet on Nov 7, 2009 5:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Line match-ups are important
As you say:
49ers O-line vs. Titans D-line- Edge= Titans D-line
Titans O-line vs. 49ers D-line- Edge- Titans O-line
Those worry me. Unfortunately I cannot disagree.
Here is hoping our skill match-ups (49er LB’s, Davis, Crabtree, Smith) are enough to overcome that
by zacksf on Nov 6, 2009 9:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
TEN's OL
= overrated.
20th in the NFL in ALY. Niners DL is 5th in NFL in ALY. Edge – Niners.
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by Viliphied on Nov 7, 2009 2:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kentwan Balmer
How do you think he is coming along?
Any chance he will make an impact this week??
by zacksf on Nov 6, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope so
I really don’t think he’s going to be a ‘bust’ like alot of people are already chalking him up to be. I just think he’s taking little bit more time to develop. I don’t think they will wait as long as they did for Alex Smith, so if he wants to stay with the team, he better get it in gear.
He may just be a better fit with a team that runs a 4-3. I wouldn’t mind trying to trade him to the AFC in the offseason if he doesn’t step up. I would really hate to see him do well after we trade him though. Not sure what that would say about the coaching here…
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right, i hope so too
is he pretty much a DE here or could he play NT in a 3-4?
How often do the 49ers use 4 down lineman in passing situations?
Would he fit in there more?
by zacksf on Nov 6, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was drafted as a DT
but they moved him to DE…so technically, yes he could, but I don’t think he will just because Franklin has done such a good job so far. He’s a big tall guy though (6’5’ and 315lbs) and if he gets his hands up at the line it makes it harder for opposing QB’s. I think maybe speed is the concern there and that is a tangible that can’t be fixed. It’s the same problem we have with Sopoaga…
As far as the question on 4 down lineman…I haven’t noticed it too much but it migh be something worth looking in to
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isaac Sopoaga
does not lack speed. Where do you guys get this stuff? A “D”? FYI, last season Tomsula timed all of the defensive linemen to determine who was the quickest off the ball. Most Niner fans would say McDonald or Justin Smith. WRONG. It was Sopoaga. This guy does a great job. He frequently faces double teams and still manages to push them backwards. He is a key ingredient in our defense vs. the run. You guys read something and believe it. You’ve been brainwashed.
Now, let’s everyone say it: SOPOAGA is the fastest defensive lineman off the ball.
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by kezarvet on Nov 7, 2009 5:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't have to read anything
I have eyes. I just rewatched the game last night and saw the same thing as always. Double team? Not one time against the Colts. What reason would they have to double Sopoaga? He cannot chase down RB’s and even average speed QB’s manage to elude him when does once in a blue moon break free. Pressure never comes from that side unless McDonald is in there. Even on his sack lst week, it was an error by the Colts Tackle when his left foot slipped. So I am not sure what YOU’RE seeing but he is well deserving of a D in my opinion. I’d rather have Kentwan Balmer in there than Sopoaga.
FYI: Tomsula can do all the time testing he wants in practice but it doesn’t mean anything unless it translates to games
by Drew K on Nov 7, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think your grades for Simms and Franklin are
too harsh. Simms did an exception job filling in for Staley and Franklin continues to be a force on the defense. Against Indy he had 3 tackles and 1 sack, which is very impressive for a NT against Indy’s offensive line.
He’s at least a B, maybe even an A. I’d give Simms a B for his effort on the left side.
by smileyman on Nov 7, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
didn't Sims have a lot of help with Feeney
that left vulnerablities and one-on-one match-ups elsewhere? I haven’t analyzed it in detail, but that was my impression.
by zacksf on Nov 7, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
We ran lots of two tight end sets last week but generally Delanie Walker was lined up on the right side, not the left. Davis would be lined up on the left side then go in motion. The only time that Simms got consistent help was in a 3rd and long situation when the Colts would only rush 3 or 4 leaving an extra offensive lineman to help double-team.
by smileyman on Nov 7, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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