Top NCAA/NFL Prospects
FOOCH'S NOTE: Consider this our current Official thread for draft and offseason discussion
It seems that there hasn't been draft talks for a few weeks now so I wanted to open it back up for discussion. It's still absurdly premature to start naming teams in order of draft pick but it's still kind of fun even though it's been done a thousand times since the beginning of the season. I'll highlight the players that I think will be the most likely candidates to be able to make an immediate impact in the NFL. This is probably the most elaborate anyone has really gone in to it I think but I spent a bit of time putting it together so hopefully a few of you all will enjoy....
The main reason I am posting this now is because this week will officially mark the halfway point of the 2009 Season.
I will list the positions and then top prospects of my opinion. Please add players that you think should be on those lists should I forget to mention a few.
Feel free to post your your thoughts and or 2010 NFL mock drafts. I like seeing the possibilities and the convo it drives.
QUARTERBACKS
1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma (Jr.)
2. Jevan Snead, Ole Miss (Jr.)
3. Tim Tebow, Florida
4. Colt McCoy, Texas
5. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame (Jr.)
6. Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan
7. Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State
8. Tim Hiller, Western Michigan
9. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada (Jr.)
10. Case Keenum, Houston (Jr.)
11. Jarrett Brown, West Virginia
12. Rusty Smith, Florida Atlantic
13. Juice Williams, Illinois
14. Max Hall, BYU
15. Tony Pike, Cincinnati
16. Taylor Potts, Texas Tech
17. Adam Weber, Minnesota (Jr.)
18. Todd Reesing, Kansas
19. Tyler Sheehan, Bowling Green
20. Jake Locker, Washington (Jr.)
21. Daryll Clark, Penn State
22. Andy Schmitt, Eastern Michigan
23. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
24. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa (Jr.)
25. Chris Turner, Maryland
RUNNING BACKS
1. Evan Royster, Penn State (Jr.)
2. Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech (Jr.)
3. C.J. Spiller, RB Clemson
4. Jahvid Best, RB California (Jr.)
5. DeMarco Murray, RB Oklahoma (Jr.)
6. Chris Brown, RB Oklahoma
7. LeGarrette (THUGLIFE) Blount, RB Oregon
8. Charles Scott, RB LSU
9. John Clay, RB Wisconsin (3rd year Soph.)
10. Noel Devine, RB West Virginia (Jr.)
11. Kendall Hunter, RB Oklahoma State (Jr.)
12. James Starks, RB Buffalo
13. Damion Fletcher, RB Southern Miss
14. Daniel Thomas, RB Kansas State
15. Mike Ford, RB South Florida (Jr.)
16. Da'Rel Scott, RB Maryland (Jr.)
17. Toby Gerhart, RB Stanford
18. Anthony Dixon, RB Mississippi State
19. Michael Smith, RB Arkansas
20. Mikell Simpson, RB Virginia
21. Ben Tate, RB Auburn
22. Andre Anderson, RB Tulane
23. Javarris James, RB Miami
24. MiQuale Lewis, RB Ball State
25. Ryan Matthews, RB Fresno State
WIDE RECEIVERS
1. Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State (Jr.)
2. Arrelious Benn, Illinois (Jr.)
3. Brandon LaFell, WR LSU
4. Marshawn Gilyard, Cincinnati
5. Damian Williams, USC (Jr.)
6. Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas (Jr.)
7. Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech (Jr.)
8. Bryan Anderson, Central Michigan
9. Malcolm Williams, Texas (3rd year Soph.)
10. Eric Decker, Minnesota
11. Naaman Roosevelt, Buffalo
12. Golden Tate, Notre Dame (Jr.)
13. Jordan Shipley, Texas
14. David Gettis, Baylor
15. Mike Williams, Syracuse
16. Chris McGaha, Arizona State
17. Dexter McCluster, Ole Miss
18. Mark Dell, Michigan State (Jr.)
19. Kerry Meier, WR/TE Kansas
20. Frantrell Forrest, UAB (Jr.)
21. Oderick Turner, Pitt
22. Emmanuel Sanders, SMU
23. Alric Arnett, West Virginia
24. Stephen Williams, Toledo
25. Ryan Wolfe, UNLV
TIGHT END
1. Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
2. Rob Gronkowski, Arizona (Jr.)
3. Garrett Graham, Wisconsin
4. Dennis Pitta, BYU
5. Aaron Hernandez, Florida (Jr.)
6. Ed Dickson, Oregon
7. Anthony McCoy, USC
8. Richard Dickson, LSU
9. Charlie Gantt, Michigan State (Jr.)
10. Bruce Figgins, Georgia (Jr.)
11. Cody Slate, Marshall
12. Kerry Meier, WR/TE Kansas
13. Andrew Quarless, Penn State
14. Weslye Saunders, South Carolina (Jr.)
15. Michael Hoomanawanui, Illinois
16. Luke Stocker, Tennessee (Jr.)
17. Nate Byham, Pitt
18. Mickey Shuler, Penn State
19. Jeff Cottam, Tennessee
20. Riar Geer, Colorado
21. Blaine Irby, Texas (Jr.)
22. Jeron Mastrud, Kansas State
23. Ben Wooster, Wake Forest
24. Ryan Moya, UCLA
25. Jeff Cumberland, Illinois
OFFENSIVE TACKLES
1. Trent Williams, OT Oklahoma
2. Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
3. Bryan Bulaga, Iowa (Jr.)
4. Matt Reynolds, BYU (Jr.)
5. Anthony Davis, Rutgers (Jr.)
6. Ciron Black, LSU
7. Adam latoski, Texas
8. Charles Brown, USC
9. Sam Young, Notre Dame
10. Selvish Capers, West Virginia
11. Lee Ziemba, Auburn (Jr.)
12. Trinton Sturdivant, Georgia (3rd year Soph.)
13. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin (Jr.)
14. Zane Beadles, Utah
15. Anthony Castonzo, Boston College (Jr.)
16. Ed Wang, Virginia Tech
17. Carl Johnson, Florida (Jr.)
18. Joe Thomas, Pitt
19. Chris Marinelli, Stanford
20. Ben Ossai, Washington
21. Alonzo Durham, Nevada
22. Steve Schilling, Michigan (Jr.)
23. Kyle Hix, Pitt (Jr.)
24. Drew Davis, Alabama
25. Jason Fox, Miami
OFFENSIVE GUARDS
1. Rodney Hudson, Florida State (Jr.)
2. Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
3. John Jerry, Ole Miss
4. Jon Asamoah, Illinois
5. Mike Johnson, Alabama
6. Mike Pouncey, Florida (Jr.)
7. Brandon Carter,Texas Tech
8. Dan Doering, Iowa
9. Colin Baxter, Arizona (Jr.)
10. John Bender, Nevada (Jr.
11. Doug Palmer, East Carolina
12. Eric Olsen, Notre Dame
13. Jeff Byers, USC
14. Jacques McClendon, Tennessee
15. Shelley Smith, OG/OT Colorado State
16. Orlando Franklin, Miami (Jr.)
17. Marshall Newhouse, OG/OT TCU
18. Heath Batchelor, South Carolina (Jr.)
19. Lyle Hitt, LSU
20. Shaun Lauvao, Arizona State
21. Anthony Morgan, Oklahoma State (Jr.)
22. Tim McAvoy, Michigan
23. Reggie Stephens, Iowa State
24. Kevin Haslam, Rutgers
CENTER
1. Josh McNeil Tennessee
2. John Estes, Hawaii
3. Thomas Austin, Clemson
4. Erik Cook, New Mexico
5. Chris Hall, Texas
6. Justin Walton, Baylor
7. Kenny Alfred, Washington State
8. Matt Tennant, Boston College
9. Rafael Eubanks, Iowa
10. Chris Fisher, UL Lafayette
11. Jim Cordle, Ohio State
12. Jacob Hickman, Nebraska
13. Jody Whaley, Tulsa
14. Joel Nitchman, Michigan State
15. David Moosman, Michigan
16. Garrett Anderson, South Carolina
17. Sean Allen, East Carolina
18. Dan Voss, Georgia Tech
19.Trey Bailey, Wake Forest
20. Thomas Altieri, Arizona State
DEFENSIVE ENDS
1. Greg Hardy, Ole Miss
2. Carlos Dunlap, Florida (Jr.)
3. Corey Wootton, Northwestern
4. Brandon Graham, Michigan
5. Jermaine Cunningham, Florida
6. Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB TCU
7. Brandon Lang, Troy
8. Everson Griffen, USC (Jr.)
9. Jammie Kirlew, Indiana
10. Willie Young, NC State
11. Greg Romeus, Pitt (Jr.)
12. Tyson Alualu, California
13. George Selvie, DE/OLB South Florida
14. Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech (Jr.)
16. Junior Gallette, Temple
17 Jan Jorgensen, BYU
18. C.J. Wilson, East Carolina
19. Daniel Te’o-Nesham, Washington
20. Auston English, Oklahoma
21. Greg Middleton, Indiana
22. Alex Carrington, Arkansas State
23. Kevin Basped, Nevada (Jr.)
DEFENSIVE TACKLE
1. Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
2. Arthur Jones, Syracuse
3. Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma (Jr.)
4. Terrence Cody, Alabama
5. Marvin Austin, North Carolina (Jr.)
6. D’Anthony Smith, Louisiana Tech
7. Geno Atkins, Georgia
8. Jared Odrick, Penn State
9. DeMarcus Granger, Oklahoma
10. Brian Price, UCLA (Jr.)
11. Lawrence Marsh, Florida (Jr.)
12. Vince Oghobaase, Duke
13. Dan Williams, Tennessee
14. Andre Neblett, Temple
15. Mick Williams, Pitt
16. Ekom Udofia, Stanford
17. Stephen Paea, Oregon State (Jr.)
18. Ian Williams, Notre Dame (Jr.)
19. Boo Robinson, Wake Forest
20. Colby Whitlock, Texas Tech (Jr.)
OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
1. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB/OLB Missouri
2. Sergio Kindle, OLB/DE Texas
3. Rennie Curran, Georgia (Jr.)
4. Navorro Bowman, Penn State (Jr.)
5. Justin Cole, San Jose State
6. Greg Jones, Michigan State (Jr.)
7. Travis Lewis, Oklahoma (3rd year Soph.)
8. Rico McCoy, Tennessee
9. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina (Jr.)
10. Bruce Carter, North Carolina (Jr.)
11. Antonio Coleman, Auburn
12. Eric Norwood, South Carolina
13. Nate Irving, NC State (Jr.)
14. Dexter Davis, Arizona State
15. Perry Riley, LSU
16. Stevenson Sylvester, Utah
17. Martez Wilson, Illinois (Jr.)
18. Luthur Brown, USC
19. Akeem Dent, Georgia (Jr.)
20. Michael Morgan, USC (Jr.)
21. E.J. Savannah, Washington
22. James Mouton, Michigan (Jr.)
23. Albert McClellan, Marshall (DE)
24. Cam Martin, Virginia Tech
25. Keenan Clayton, Oklahoma
INSIDE LINEBACKER
1. Brandon Spikes, Florida
2. Rolondo McClain, Alabama (Jr.)
3. Obi Ezeh, Michigan (Jr.)
4. Sean Lee, Penn State
5. Micah Johnson, Kentucky
6. Joshua Bynes, Auburn (Jr.)
7. Reggie Carter, UCLA
8. Joe Pawelek, Baylor
9. Scott Lutrus, Connecticut (Jr.)
10. Alex Wujciak, Maryland (Jr.)
11. Darryl Sharpton, Miami
12. Darryl Gamble, Georgia (Jr.)
13. Ben Jacobs, Fresno State (Jr.)
14. Jamar Chaney, Mississippi State
15. Boris Lee, Troy
16. Patrick Benoist, Vanderbilt
17. Daryl Washington, TCU
18. Mike Nixon, Arizona State
19. Brian Smith, Notre Dame (Jr.)
20. Pat Angerer, Iowa
21. Elijah Hodge, Wisconsin
22. Cardia Jackson, UL Monroe
23. Reed Williams, West Virginia
24. Ryan D’Imperio, Rutgers
25. Chris Colisanti, Penn State (Jr.)
SAFETIES
1. Eric Berry, SS Tennessee (Jr.)
2. Taylor Mays, FS USC
3. Morgan Burnett, SS Georgia Tech (Jr.)
4. Reshad Jones, FS Georgia (Jr.)
5. Darrell Stuckey, SS Kansas
6. Deunta Williams, FS North Carolina (Jr.)
7. Kam Chancellor, SS Virginia Tech
8. Deunta Williams, FS North Carolina (Jr.)
9. Justin Woodall, SS Alabama
10. Barry Church, SS Toledo
11. Davonte Shannon, SS Buffalo (Jr.)
12. Major Wright, FS Florida (Jr.)
13. Chad Jones, SS LSU (Jr.)
14. Ahmad Black, SS Florida (Jr.)
15. Nate Allen, FS Florida State
16. Quinton Andrews, SS North Alabama (formerly of West Virginia)
17. Kurt Coleman, SS Ohio State
18. Jordan Lake, FS Baylor
19. Antonio Baker, FS Louisiana Tech
20. Nate Allen, FS South Florida
21. Myron Rolle, FS Florida State
22. Demetrice Morley, FS Tennessee
23. Bo McNally, SS Stanford
24. Larry Asante, SS Nebraska
CORNERBACK
1. Patrick Robinson, Florida State
2. Kyle Wilson, Boise State
3. Joe Haden, Florida (Jr.)
4. Javier Arenas, Alabama
5. Myron Lewis, Vanderbilt
6. Stephan Virgil, Virginia Tech
7. Trevard Lindley, Kentucky
8. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia (Jr.)
9. Alterraun Verner, UCLA
10. Walter Thurmond, Oregon
11. Syd’Quan Thompson, California
12. Donovan Warren, Michigan (Jr.)
13. Crezdon Butler, Clemson
14. Shareece Wright, USC
15. Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest
16. Jerome Murphy, South Florida
17. Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State
18. Omar Bolden, Arizona State (Jr.)
19. Jamal Wall, Texas Tech
20. Brian Jackson, Oklahoma
21. Chris Chancellor, Clemson
22. Kareem Jackson, Alabama (Jr.)
23. Patrick Stoudamire, Western Illinois
24. Vic Hall, Virginia
25. Anthony Gaitor, Florida International
MY PREDICTIONS ON DRAFT SLOT ORDER
1. TAMPA BAY BUCS
2. ST. LOUIS RAMS
3. DETROIT LIONS
4. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS
5. OAKLAND RAIDERS
6. CLEVELAND BROWNS
7. WASHINGTON REDSKINS
8. TENNESSEE TITANS
9. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS (FROM CAROLINA)
10. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
11. BUFFALO BILLS
12. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
13. CHICAGO BEARS
14. ARIZONA CARDINALS
15. MIAMI DOLPHINS
16. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
17. GREEN BAY PACKERS
18. NEW YORK JETS
19. DALLAS COWBOYS
20. HOUSTON TEXANS
21. CINCINNATI BENGALS
22. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
23. PITTSBURGH STEELERS
24. ATLANTA FALCONS
25. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
26. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
27. NEW YORK GIANTS
28. BALTIMORE RAVENS
29. MINNESOTA VIKINGS
30. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (FROM DENVER)
31. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
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Interesting
I find it interesting that you highlight Snead as a better pro prospect than the guy who ran him out of Texas (McCoy). Personally, I’ve not been impressed with Snead this year. I do think Mallet could be a good pro prospect in a quasi-Roethlisberger kind of way; the kid is huge!
On a personal note, glad to see you had Micah Johnson and Trevard Lindley highlighted. Lindley has been battling a knee injury this year and his numbers won’t look great, but the guy is a great cover corner who will be a good pick up for some team. I saw Micah Johnson play during his senior year of high school in the Ft. Knox – Ft. Campbell football game. (He played for Campbell.) The kid was a monster amongst small children out there. He’s been solid for Kentucky ever since and has all the physical tools to succeed in the NFL.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 6, 2009 6:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Snead
I have watched him play twice this year. Once versus Arkansas and the other against UAB. Both times he played extremely well and both times they came out of those game with the W. Also, he plays in an offense that will translate easier in to the NFL. McCoy to me is a bit overated. Maybe not quite as much as Tim Tebow but McCoy does run a spread offense and I just think that he will have a harder time than Snead making the transition.
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle also has Denver's 1st
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Snead has been terrible this year.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
I think Snead will be an NFL bust
by sundaysfinest on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No he won't he will be fine
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"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 7, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Says who?
His decision making has been horrible this season
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Snead plays in a spread offense which is not as easily translated to the
NFL like a pro-style offense would be.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
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Keeper of the "That's what she said"
by TheTealDeal on Nov 7, 2009 6:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't looked . . .
I see 200+ new comments in less than 12 hours which can only mean someone started a flame thrower fight.
by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope . . . surprising civil
I think a few of you are on the wrong blog . . .
College Football Knowledge >> . . . well nevermind . . .
by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RB Prospect
I love it that you have Evan Royster as your number 1 RB prospect. He doesn’t get the praise he deserves, he has the speed, vision, and the power to be a very productive runningback in the NFL. Javid Best seems like the second best RB in my opinion but he lacks consistency in my opinion, he seems to want a highlight reel everytime he has the ball. Which we know in the NFL (see R. Bush) is hard to come by.
I would love to see Royster in a Niner jersey but he probably isn’t what we need at the moment. I see the Niners taking Eric Berry or Taylor Mays with the first pick (which of the two available) and taking a Offensive Lineman or best player on the board for the second first rounder. I’m kinda hoping its Terrance Cody or Arenas.
by HailState77 on Nov 6, 2009 7:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Royster
If he is not number one, he should be high up on the list.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Safety prospect.......yeah I think you knew I wold chime in while you were typing
Berry not #1? Overall better safety, better in man coverage, zone coverage, can deliver hits, but hey You put a lot of good work into this do you have a mock? Another thing Bufalo, Jacksonville, and Seattle al picking above Carolina? Interesting although you nailed number 1 overall on the head!
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"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 8:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another thing Bufalo, Jacksonville, and Seattle al picking above Carolina?
Buffalo is doubtful, as is Seattle. Jacksonville is likely picking after them, though.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 6, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carolina has a monster schedule so I can see them falling before Seattle, Jacksonville and Buffalo.
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 6, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on your draft order
1. TAMPA BAY BUCS-N Suh DT Nedraska
2. ST. LOUIS RAMS- Jevan Snead (Clausen if he declares it’s been said he won’t)
3. DETROIT LIONS- Russell Okung OT Ok ST.
4. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS- (may trade the pick) – Trent Williams OT Oklahoma
5. OAKLAND RAIDERS- Taylor Mays (it’s the Raiders striking again)
6. CLEVELAND BROWNS- Sam Bradford QB Okla.
7. WASHINGTON REDSKINS- Colt McCoy QB Tex.
8. TENNESSEE TITANS- Gerald McCoy DT OKLA.
9. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS (FROM CAROLINA)- Eric Berry (niners won’t pick this high)
10. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS- Tim Tebow QB Flo.
11. BUFFALO BILLS- Arthur Jones DT
12. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS- Bryan Bualaga OT Iowa
13. CHICAGO BEARS- Arrelious Benn WR Ill.
14. ARIZONA CARDINALS-Sergio Kindle OLB Tex.
15. MIAMI DOLPHINS- Brandon Spikes ILB Flo.
16. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS- Jonathan Dwyer RB G Tech
17. GREEN BAY PACKERS- Matt Reynolds OT BYU
18. NEW YORK JETS-Rolando McClain ILB Ala.
19. DALLAS COWBOYS- Joe Haden CB Flo.
20. HOUSTON TEXANS-Patrick Robinson CB FSU
21. CINCINNATI BENGALS-Brandon Lafell WR LSU
22. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS- Rodney Hudson OG- FSU
23. PITTSBURGH STEELERS- Greg Hardy DE Flo.
24. ATLANTA FALCONS- Sean Witherspoon OLB Miss.
25. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES-Kyle Wilson CB Boise ST
26. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS-Josh McNeil Center
27. NEW YORK GIANTS-Carlos Dunlap DE
28. BALTIMORE RAVENS-Damion Williams WR USC
29. MINNESOTA VIKINGS- Dan Lefavour
30. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (from Denver)-Ciron Black OT LSU
31. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS-Trading pick
32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS- Marvin Austin DT UNC
I don’t think the Niners will pick that high hence E Berry going to another team, also the pick from Denver that goes to the Seahawks wasn’t listed. With Berry off the Board the niners take OT form Iowa but I will stand firm with the 2nd pick for SF in the first round. I wouldn’t be surprised if the earlier pick isn’t dealt so we have a later first and additional 2nd.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
Wow. #10, really?? Is he regarded that highly as a pro prospect? I thought he was more like a second rounder.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar
by JakeS on Nov 6, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts as well
I know the Jags like him, but I think they’d recognize that they can either trade down to get him or pick him in the second round.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 6, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's our idea
I personally think he can fall to the third in which we would all have to do is pick him. If he isn’t there then we could proceed with drafting good Qb prospects in Tony Pike, Dan Lefevour, or Tim Hiller.
Tebow is not contemplated as a 1st round pick candidate by us.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 7, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QB's will go quick and I don't think the Jags will take chances on a ticket seller
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Qb class is really deep
There’s 10-15 good prospects that can be had anywhere from 1th-4th.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 7, 2009 6:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It only takes one team to fall in love
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 49ers
would be insane to take a guard in the 1st round. Especially considering that the drop off from Hudson to Carter at #7 on the list isn’t a whole lot.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
If the 49ers were picking extremely late (last five or six) picks of the first round, I can see them going after a guard, but usually guards don’t get drafted that high in the first.
by sfgfan on Nov 6, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the picks will be dealt honestly
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always think they should be dealt
But it’s hard to get appropriate value and/or find a buyer.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 6, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering we won't pick again until 2nd at 22
They may have to.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May have to what?
deal? If they can deal I agree that would be good fill in some stuff. If you mean pick a G in the first at 20’s I don’t think so and would respectfully disagree. I think there (if they pick Berry with 1st) they go for OT. G’s just don’t go like that and there are some good FA’s to pick up out there.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 7, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 49ers...
… aren’t in a very good spot to be dealing up and giving up picks. In any case, it’s difficult to say if it’ll be better to pick a tackle or a guard in the 20s of the draft. While I definitely don’t like the value for a guard in the 20s, it’s entirely possible that this year’s tackle class is devoid of any talent for the late first round.
by sfgfan on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't notice
Dez Bryant or Terrence Cody on your list. Do you think they will not be chosen in the 1st? Also, I am not sure if you’ve seen the film or highlights of C.J. Spiller from Clemson but, IMO, he is leaps and bounds ahead of any RB coming out of this draft. He’s like AP and Frank Gore mixed in to one back.
I will probably throw a mock in here also at some point today
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bryant will drop and not because of the susoension
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also thought I had Cody go to the titans
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have Gerald McCoy from Oklahoma
I was just curious
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He may drop
but not out of the 1st round. Talent wise, he’s the BPA at that position
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hands look suspect to me
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're gonna have to back that up cause I have seen just the opposite
And about 99.9999% of the rest of the nation also
by Drew K on Nov 7, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damian Williams is better
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Prove me wrong
Damian runs better routes, plays in a pro-style offense, is a great blocker, and is probably faster than Bryant.
Bryant is a little big taller and bigger: 6-2 220 (Bryant) vs. 6-1 190 (Williams)
But there isn’t that much of a difference there though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen them both play
and Dez in miles ahead of Williams in play.
Prove you wrong? Well I think that stats wise, Bryant is way ahead of Williams. Obviously with the exception of the 2009 season (for obvious reasons) if you stack the stats side by side Bryant kills Williams in every category for the 2008 season
Bryant:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235655
Williams:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=189767
I have seen Bryant make several brilliant plays on the football field to Williams occasional nice play here and there. Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion so if you think Williams is better thats cool. Personally I cannot see him being a primary receiver in the NFL. Nothing more than a 3rd or 4th WR on the depth chart for alot of teams….the good ones anyway. Bryant will make an immediate impact like Crabtree, Sims-Walker, Harvin, and others alike.
by Drew K on Nov 11, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch
Sims-Walker… I was on rewind thinking back to 2008 because of the example above
by Drew K on Nov 11, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drew K, I am totally going on what you posted
My question is.. Where you say with the exception of the 2009 season… is there a reason why either Williams is playing better this year or Bryant is not playing as well?
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 12, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
My fault… I assumed most people knew what happened.
Bryant got suspended for the remainder of this season after only a few games because he went and hung out with Deion Sanders at his house and then lied about it to the NCAA officials; he thought it wasn’t okay to do that for some reason or another.
by Drew K on Nov 12, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dez Bryant has a lower ceiling than Damian (IMO)
Bryant will probably never be a true No.1 guy because he’s slow (like Mushin Muhammed).
He could be a good possession WR, but he drops tons of easy catches (this is what really pisses me off about him).
2008 season: Keep in mind that Damian had just transferred to USC and he played very well near the end of the season.
He’s excelling right now in spite of a true freshman QB.
Williams occasional nice play here and there.
He makes tons of plays every game.
He may not be as good in the punt return game, but still.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need OT
Yes rlott#42, Crabtree...needs to hold onto the ball
by 10forTech on Nov 7, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Way the 49ers pick in the 20's
At the rate the season is going I am expecting there pick in the 12-15 range
by earlwscott on Nov 10, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Picking in the 20's is only for the playoff teams
The system was switched around so only playoff teams pick from 20-32.
At this point I’m not so sure the 9ers are making the playoffs.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I love the 49ers
There is way the playoffs are a possibility— The defense is to inconsistant, the offense flat out stinks, though I am liking the strides I see out of Alex Smith, too many injuries and the o-line is in shambles I predict the Cardinals will overtake the Niners. I predict with the addition of a decent tackle and guard and on the defense we need to add a safety and a corner we can make some noise next year.
by earlwscott on Nov 11, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking its 22-32 for playoff teams.
NFC N, S, E, W plus wild card. AFC N, S, E, W plus wild card…that would be only 10 teams.
by hudd07 on Nov 13, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK OK, embarrassing
12 teams go to playoffs so chik was right. I’m embarrassed I didn’t know that. REALLY thought it was only 10 teams, and reading one of Sando’s posts on ESPN stating that the worst team in playoffs would get 22nd pick reaffirmed the 10 playoff team thing. I didn’t know there were TWO wildcard teams.
SORRY chik….
by hudd07 on Nov 13, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about it
I remember that last year I was counting the playoff teams and I forgot the teams with first round byes.
I was all confused, lol.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no way snead is the 1st qb off the board. never seen him ahead of a 2nd round pick anywhere else.
by hellaninersfan on Nov 17, 2009 1:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I LIke Some Of It And I Don't Like Some Of It
What I Like
1. Best as the #4 RB is great for the 49ers as we could fill a couple needs at once in the 2nd round.
2. George Selvie as the 13th best DE is also great for the 49ers as he could be had in the 3rd round. Selvie fits perfectly as a 3-4 end and have pass rush ability as well
3. Joe Haden as the 4th CB means San Francisco could pick up this possible shutdown cover man with the 2nd of their 1st round picks. Also if they decide not to go that avenue Perrish Cox could be had in the 4th or 5th round and he would fill two holes with one pick. Young corner and kick return guy.
4. Tony Pike at #15 among QB’s although a longshot is good. Could have him as the #3 behind Smith and Davis.
What I Don’t Like
1. No way on god’s green earth is Jimmy Clausen the 5th best QB. If he does come out expect him to be the first QB off the board if not the #1 pick overall
2. Dixon and Mccoy as the #6 and #7 TE’s is a reach. Before the dust settles i expect them to go 2 and 3.
3. I just don’t see Taylor Mays going ahead of Eric Berry. NFL scouts have been chirping about his breakdowns in coverage and quietly comparing him to Michael Huff. I could see him drop to the 2nd half of the 1st round.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's sort of based
on what I think teams would have guys on their boards. I bolded out the guys that I think would make an immediate impact in the NFL. Notice that Clausen is one of the bolded
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clausen is a hit or miss prospect
I have watched every ND game this year and his decision making is extremely questionable.
I went to the Washington game and he could’nt figure out who was open
by mmamcneill on Nov 6, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on the decision making
You want to see terrible decision making?
Watch Jevan Snead.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 8, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clausen is somewhat hindered by his HC's ineptitude
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 8, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a little early yet, but I'll play.
49ers 2010 Mock Draft
1a. NT Terrence Cody Ala – good chance A. Franklin will be gone next year
1b. OT Selvish Capers WV – RT with good feet & pass pro skills
2. OLB Sergio Kindle Tex – pass rusher needed desperately
3. FS Kam Chancellor VT – future SS replacing M. Lewis
4. OT Chris Scott Tenn – replacement for OG D. Baas with better feet
5. CB A.J. Wallace Penn St. – big, fast, & smart developmental CB
6. RB Michael Smith Ark – fast, elusive RB with injury history
7. TE Jimmy Graham Miami FL – 6’8" 260lb basketball player
by MontanaPass on Nov 6, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
These are what the Niners picks would be I assume?
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I WISH.
Sergio Kindle goes mid first round at latest. OLB Pash Rushers go in first round. Especially guys like thim. I’d be happy with Cody and Kindle both in first round.
by hudd07 on Nov 10, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn't Kindle had some off field problems?
I’ve seen some draft projections pick him to go high in the second because of that.
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about the off-field stuff
But he hasn’t exactly wow-ed anyone on the field
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chik and Smiley
I havn’t heard of any off the field stuff either. As for on the field, I think all that is needed with a pass rusher is ability and upside. Think Manny Lawson, Orakpo, etc…most had upside, but didn’t exactly dominate vs the top OLs in college.
by hudd07 on Nov 10, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here it is
Apparently he ran his car into an apartment complex and suffered a concussion. He’s also been arrested for DUI. Here’s a link to ESPN.
Kindle crashes car
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
REC this so that we can have 1 drafting post during the season
At least I did
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I Will Play Too
1. S- Eric Berry, Tennessee
This is of course depending on if the 49ers get a top 10 pick. If not you could easily switch this pick to Taylor Mays, either way Berry is a much better player and will be an elite NFL safety no questions asked.
1. OLB- Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
I like him over Greg Hardy, who in my mind could turn out to be a bust. Imagine a linebacking corp consisting of Willis, Mckillop and Weatherspoon. Pretty awesome prospect huh?
2. RB- Jahvid Best, California
I can’t see Best being available in the second half of the 2nd round, but according to scouts it looks like he may be. Obviously Best doesn’t have the size to be an every down back. But that is okay for the 49ers, what they can do with him is endless. Line him up wide, behind center and in the backfield. Not to mention he would be an electric kick returner that we need to bad
3. DE- George Selvie, South Florida
He could be the steal of the draft for whoever takes him. I have no idea why he is projected as the 3rd round pick but if he falls here the 49ers have no choice but to take him
4. G- Brandon Carter, Texas Tech
There isn’t much of a drop off from the #1 guard to the 6th best guard. I cannot see the 49ers spending a #1 pick on a guard, after all there are no 1st round guard prospects. They can afford to wait until the middle rounds to address this need. Carter would be the best fit for this team
5. ILB- Daryl Sharpton, Miami (F)
This would be more of a depth move for the 49ers. With Patrick Willis and Scott Mckillop being the obvious starters for years when the ladder takes over for Spikes. But then where would the 49ers have any depth inside? In Sharpton they get an under performing physical standout who if he puts it all together will be a good NFL LB
6. WR- Riley Cooper, Florida
With Battle and Bruce all but gone following this season the 49ers need to add depth to this group. Although i do see them signing a #4 type WR in free agency but maybe they can catch lightning in a bottle with this pick. Plus i am not sure what the 49ers think of Jason Hill considering he has yet to play on offense much this season. Verran Tucker is another option.
6. QB- Max Hall, BYU
A nice project pick with a compensation pick. Hall could be hidden in the practice squad until Davis is ready to play and back-up Smith Presumably. Hall has a lot of flaws in his mechanics but could be a steal here.
7. T- Matt Koppa, Stanford
Assuming Alex Boone will be promoted to the active roster following this season this could be another good depth pick
I am adding in one compensation pick for the loss of Strickland. We could possibly get as many as 3 though.
Before anyone attacks me for not picking a tackle or cornerback, consider this. The 49ers are going to have a whole lot of money to spend in free agency. I truly believe San Francisco is going to go after and end up signing Marcus Mcneil who has said he wants to remain in California. Considering San Diego can’t afford him isn’t San Francisco the logical option? Also regarding the corner back position San Francisco has Spencer, Brown and Clements under contract for next season. So drafting a CB high really doesn’t make any sense. Even if the 49ers end up releasing Clements i could easily see them re-signing Dre Bly/Walt Harris or going after another veteran corner back.
Oh and you got it REC
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 12:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oakland will pay more as usual............LOL
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I ike the way you think but I hear weatherspoon is a 4-3 guy
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just As Lawson Was A 3-4 Guy?
From watching Weatherspoon he can play in any defensive scheme. The difference between him and Hardy is that he would be more of an every down player as opposed to a situational pass rusher. That said you could easily replace that pick with a Kindle or Hardy type.
Hey Lott isn’t this the same Raiders team that signed Kwame “The Bust” Harris and Khalif Barnes? They just don’t go after top tier offensive linemen. Mark it in stone, my first 2010 off-season prediction. San Francisco will sign Marcus Mcneil.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t doubt it. Do you think we go after anyone on defense?
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since OT is one of the most glaring problems and Jed is trying to be Eddie JR (I like Jed) I bet the 49ers make a big push for McNeil if he is a FA
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McNeil
I’m not sure they’d let a guy like that go…it would be awesome if we could get a guy like that and then move Staley back over to his natural position at RT. Then you could push Snyder in to RG… alot more solid.
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would so sweet if that happened
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drew
It’s not like they are going to have an option. A team can only franchise one player, and if they use that tag it disables their ability to apply the transition tag to another player.
San Diego Free Agents in 2010
LT- Marcus McNeill 3 time pro bowl performer
RB- Darren Sproles 1700 Total Yards and 4 TD (including KR and PR)
WR- Vincent Jackson 37 receptions 664 yards 5TD
LB- Shawne Merrimen 41.5 Career Sacks
It’s pretty obvious who they are going to franchise right? Vincent Jackson. That leaves McNeill on the open market.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hope this is true
That leaves McNeill on the open market.
by sundaysfinest on Nov 6, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Process Of Elimination
Unless of course they lock him up before free agency begins. But i doubt that is going to happen
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
others?
how’s the OT position looking for free agency
by sundaysfinest on Nov 6, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There Are A lot
Let Me Break It down For You. I have done it in the past on other threads that are gone the way of George Bush at this point.
In No Real Order
Tackles Team FF Grade
Marcus McNeill San Diego 97
Eric Winston Houston 72
Jeremy Trueblood Tampa Bay 81
Adam Terry Baltimore 83
Michael Roos Tennessee 90
Winston Justice Philadelphia 85
Chad Clifton Green Bay 87
Alex Barron St. Louis 72
Guards
Daryn Colledge Green Bay 92
Bobbie Williams Cincinnati 88
Ben Hamilton Denver 82
Logan Menkins New England 89
Chris Snee NY Giants 90
The dream scenario would be signing McNeill and either Colledge/Williams/Menkins then targeting other positions in the draft where the pot (pun very much intended) is much stronger
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s more than what i expected, thanks for the list. I know that we agree on McNeill being the best choice, but after reading the comment below by Drew K, about the niners being cheap, then do you think that any of these tackles would be an improvement.
by sundaysfinest on Nov 6, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know About Cheap
I commented on that below. But of course i see a few of these linemen as upgrades, some in a major way.
At tackle Roos,, Justice and Terry would be upgrades.
At guard they all would be upgrades over Snyder/Rachal and even allow the ladder to gain some valuable experience behind a veteran.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rachal is coming along.. and he will end up a very good RG
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 6, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course they won’t franchise him but they can renogotiate the contract and restict his free agency
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah With His Consent
And does anyone really think that is going to happen in a possibly uncapped year? The only reason Demarcus Ware re-signed with Dallas was because of the crazy amount of money they threw his way
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
wouldn’t the Chargers do the same for an important position like LT? You said it yourself, he’s a 3 time ProBowler so I think it would be dumb for them not to pay him. Besides, I think the NIners are cheapos when it comes to forking out cash. We could easily get outbid.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see that happen, its just hard for me to picture the Chargers letting him go
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trust Me
The younger York is changing that “cheap” mentality and changing it soon. He himself talked about acquiring a couple top tier free agents next off-season to supplement the draft picks they have.
You are correct regarding McNeill at least to some extent. It just comes down to what AJ Smith decides is more important LT or WR. And in my opinion a #1 receiver fits into their plans more then retaining an offensive linemen. Either way if Mcneill does hit the free agent market the 49ers will be the top player for him. You can count on that
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
They’ve got some good, young receivers in Floyd, Naanee, and Davis. I could see them going with McNeil over Vincent Jackson.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Then Grab Jackson
Let’s just raid the roster LOL. I honestly cannot see them going with McNeil over Jackson, i just can’t see Smith explaining that to his franchise QB, usually you attempt to keep them happy by retaining their top targets. Also if i am not mistaken Malcolm Floyd and Craig Davis are also free agents as is Karim Osgood. Suffice to say that team could be a shell of it’s former self.
Of course this could all change if San Diego signs Jackson to an extension before the season ends. Also just because a player is on the free agent market it doesn’t mean they are going to bolt to another team
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You also want to keep the QB upright
Kinda hard to do with no good lineman. Jackson hasn’t had a great attitude (got a DUI I think) and he’s going to be extremely expensive, I think there’s a good chance he’s gone. It’s not SD’s style to spend big on free agents, they build through the draft.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Guess It Comes Down To
AJ Smith’s theory regarding this. In essence i agree with you and would retain the franchise tackle before the bad attitude receiver, but i am not in Smith’s head, i just imagine he will do the opposite.
If you are correct, what about going after Jackson to team up with Crabtree and Davis. Scary scary good proposition. Obviously far fetched, but intriguing nonetheless
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be scary
But I still think it’s more important to find a QB to get those guys the ball first. I hope Alex can be that guy but I guess we’ll just have to see how he plays the rest of the season.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course
that is contingent on the success or lack there of regarding Smith in the final 9 games. I am confident he will show his stuff and that is a complete 180 from just a month ago. Besides other then Jimmy Clausen i am not interested in drafting ANY QB early.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we'll see
I like Locker as well.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Def LT over WR
WR are a dime a dozen, Left Tackles not so much. If I’m a QB, I’ll throw to a donkey out wide as long as you don’t let Dwight Freeney turn me into a pancake from my blindside. I wonder if Smith is telling his wife…man I wish I had a better WR, or…man I wish I had some more time in the pocket.
I don’t mean to call you out at all, but I just couldn’t disagree more. No way a QB wants a WR over a ProBowl LT.
by hudd07 on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Usually I'd agree, but
I’ll bet Kurt Warner is happy with having Larry Fitzgerald other than Walter Jones or Joe Thomas.
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
Levi Brown makes his life extremely difficult.
I guess it kind of depends on the offensive system.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright...
You can have your choice at offensive tackle, as long as I can have Jerry Rice.
by MinerNiner on Nov 12, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why not just take the 49ers offensive line in the mid 80s?
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 12, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you do that you will also need to include Mckittrick
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 12, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They paid Clements and J. Smith pretty good money.
Also, they have the cap room now and Jed is running things and he wants to be like his Uncle Eddie and that is a good thing.
If McC and Sing said we need McNeil he would gladly pay the price to get him.
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 6, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After all that money they gave to Rivers why wouldn't you protect his backside?
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by rlott#42 on Nov 7, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
um
where have you been, exactly, the last few years?
I’d like you to meet a Mr. Nate Clements, and a Mr. Justin Smith.
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by Viliphied on Nov 7, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Vincent Jackson will be resigned and Sproles will be franchised, since the RB will be cheaper, I think.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you say Staley's natural spot is RT?
He’s fine in pass protection but he’s not a very good run blocker, that’s usually the opposite of what you want at RT.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Staley is a cheap LT, forget about drafting one or signing, it's not the smart move. Considering we are under the cap and would like to stay under, we will not draft a Tackle with our best pick!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 7, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think Staley has performed fine. We need help on the right side of the line, but our left side is ok.
by smileyman on Nov 7, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that...
What about looking at Charles Brown from USC or Selvie or Black. While not “spectacular” as far as the players it is rather deep with good tackles. Think we could dip into the second and pick up a good RT?
Asked of the whole group.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 10, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is a little bit under-sized
He needs to put on some more weight.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Charles Brown
He is a little undersized as far as first rate offensive tackles go (about 295 lbs); he is more of a finesse blocker. However, what Brown does almost as well as anyone is get to the linebackers (he is a superb second level blocker) and protect his QB. I don’t think that he is a 49er type of tackle, but he would fit in great with a team that runs alot of zone blocking, like the Patriots or Broncos.
by MinerNiner on Nov 12, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
McBooFoo loves fat and slow linemen.
Charles Brown’s footwork and athleticism is too good for us.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think the Niners need Best?
I don’t know, I’m kind of debating with myself. I mean, how much would he actually play is the thing I’m wondering. If there’s a good RT there in the second round I think you’d have to take him over Best.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best is an impact player adds to the offense which I wouldn’t mind having
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the second round...
… I wouldn’t mind the team taking Best. If he could add that Reggie Bush dynamic (not necessarily as a rusher, but just as a threat from multiple positions), that would be awesome. He’s a little smaller than Bush, though, so I don’t know if he’ll definitely be capable of doing what Bush does outside.
by sfgfan on Nov 6, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Is Of Course Assuming
the 49ers address the tackle need in a strong free agent class. Also the drop off from the 1st round to the 2nd round in regards to tackles is large.
Why The need best?
1. Immediately becomes a home run hitting return man on both kick and punts.
2. Can line up on the outside as a receiving threat and burn past the coverage
3 Can be brought in on occasion at RB as a huge change of pace and have a chance to break it every chance he touches it.
4. Once Gore leaves then Best would be the perfect back up to Coffee and a great change of pace back
5. Could be used and effective in the wild cat formation due to his ability to get around defenders in open space. Also heard he doesn’t throw lame ducks so that means you would have the run/pass option with him behind center in the wild cat formation. Obviously for just 2-4 plays per game.
6. Is a local boy with a lot of upside and ability to change the game with just one touch
7. Has football savvy and can utilize that when he does get touches, however limited they may be.
I guess that is it. But mostly due to his game breaking ability on special teams. I wouldn’t spend a 1st round pick on him, but if he falls to us in the 2nd we really have to consider taking him. Just adds so many more dimensions to the team
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Best leave college to be 2nd Round pick?
If he’s a projected 2nd round pick than he’s playing for Cal in 2010 to get himself 1st Round money.
by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he is taking a chance by leaving early
but if he feels that he will go in the first round then he will enter the draft. On the other hand, who knows, maybe that concussion he suffered will give him second thoughts about declaring early. Although I don’t think RB is a pressing need, he’d be very enticing should he be there in the second round.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Best leave? 3 words for you....
Rookie Wage Scale
by hudd07 on Nov 10, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2nd Rounders get no money. Late 1st Rounders don’t make much money, Balmer is paid like a backup.
Top picked rookies will still make a shiny penny. The NFL is looking to get rid of the phenomenon of rookies becoming the highest paid NFL players each year.
by bignerd on Nov 10, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends On Who Is Franchised Or Not
I was high on going after Vince Wilfork earlier, but why do that when you have a NT playing like one of the best in Franklin, re-sign him.
I do see the 49ers going after a defensive player though i am not sure what tier player they would be taking a look at. A Bert Berry or Derek Burgess makes sense and wouldn’t cost too much in free agency. There just aren’t a lot of wholes on defense with this squad. If we decide to stray away from a safety in the draft then i could see us targeting Roman Harper or Dawon Landry. Or if the 49ers don’t think that they can get a pass rushing OLB i think Peppers or Merrimen may be possibilities, though both would cost a lot and come with a lot of questions.I think the 49ers look to solidify their offensive line by signing McNeil and possibly even a guard. The free agent class when it comes to offensive linemen is much better then the draft class
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah maybe they’ll go with fixing the o line with free agency and plug the other holes in the draft
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, If the 49ers can shore up the OL with FA then that makes the two 1st round picks more interesting.
If you have a OT or Berry at number 9ish then they can go for Berry. Or they can trade back to the middle of the 1st round and pick up extra high picks.
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 6, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Than it's just pick two best players on the board.
by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Daniel Snyder style?
Yes rlott#42, Crabtree...needs to hold onto the ball
by 10forTech on Nov 7, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here here
I see the 49ers addressing safety through FA as well. There is no way to be sure of Eric Berry or Taylor Mays being there to take.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft
Well I see our needs as follow
OL (RT/RG) Hybrid player for one, injuries do happen
RB Speedback (PR/KR duties mainly and if gore get hurts, back up Coffee)
SS (get rid of not going to say his name but you know who) back up Lewis in passing situations
TE Run blocking for goal line not a work in progress type
Pass Rushing DL
I am sure we are going to get a great FA pickup so this seem more possible.
Let's get the division!
by chriscream on Nov 6, 2009 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My 2010 Mock
1. TAMPA BAY BUCS- DT Terrence Cody, Alabama
2. ST. LOUIS RAMS- DT Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
3. DETROIT LIONS- WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State (Jr.)
4. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS- SS Eric Berry, SS Tennessee (Jr.)
5. OAKLAND RAIDERS- QB Jake Locker, Washington (Jr.)
6. CLEVELAND BROWNS- QB Colt McCoy, Texas
7. WASHINGTON REDSKINS- OT Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
8. TENNESSEE TITANS- ILB Brandon Spikes, Florida
9. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS (FROM CAROLINA)- OT Trent Williams, Oklahoma
10. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS- FS Taylor Mays, USC
11. BUFFALO BILLS- QB Jevan Snead, Ole Miss
12. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS- RB Jahvid Best, California
13. CHICAGO BEARS- WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois (Jr.)
14. ARIZONA CARDINALS- OLB Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
15. MIAMI DOLPHINS- WR Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas (Jr.)
16. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS- RB Evan Royster, Penn State (Jr.)
17. GREEN BAY PACKERS- OT Ciron Black, LSU
18. NEW YORK JETS- DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma (Jr.)
19. DALLAS COWBOYS- SS Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech (Jr.)
20. HOUSTON TEXANS- WR Marshawn Gilyard, Cincinnati
21. CINCINNATI BENGALS- CB Patrick Robinson, Florida State
22. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS- OLB Sergio Kindle, Texas
23. PITTSBURGH STEELERS- QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
24. ATLANTA FALCONS- RB Noel Devine, West Virginia (Jr.)
25. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES- CB Joe Haden, Florida (Jr.)
26. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS- DT Arthur Jones, Syracuse
27. NEW YORK GIANTS- FS Reshad Jones, Georgia (Jr.)
28. BALTIMORE RAVENS- WR Damian Williams, USC (Jr.)
29. MINNESOTA VIKINGS- TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
30. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (FROM DENVER)- Bryan Bulaga, Iowa (Jr.)
31. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS- ILB Rolondo McClain, Alabama (Jr.)
32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS- G Rodney Hudson, Florida State (Jr.)
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As 49erSalvatrucha said
How could you possibly think thre Steelers would draft Bradford?
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im guessing depth maybe
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Batch
is a FA next year and he’s getting up there in age…36 or something like that. The other guy Dixon that they have isn’t really a “true” QB.
They need one and I think Bradford may just be there that low because of his shoulder. It makes sense to me because it would give Bradford extra time to heal and would be a viable backup QB for Ben.
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barring an extremely serious injury or something similiar to Big Ben
I absolutely guarantee you they will not draft a first round QB, I’d bet it 500-1 odds. There is less than zero chance that it happens.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its never happened before?
How bout Phillip Rivers when Drew Brees was in San Diego?
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you even compare those two situations???
Brees was garbage the year before they drafted Rivers and was on a cheap contract. Big Ben is an absolute stud and is one of the highest 5 QB’s in the game.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call Ben Roth a stud
I think he is the single most overrated QB in the National Football League
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well most people would disagree with you
He’s got a good shot at going in the Hall of Fame when his career is over and he just signed a mega contract, his perceived abilities are extremely high.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Put him on the Browns and he would have been a bust
Even if he would have been drafted by an average team I think he would have not made it this far
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
But on the team he plays on he has been very, very good.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
thats why I think he gets the recognition…hence furthering my point of him being overrated.
I see him in the same light that I saw Daunte Culpepper when he began his career. Ben is like a life raft…inflated.
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again. possibly
But at the very least he’s a top 10 QB.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But put Peyton Manning in a horrible situation to start his career and who knows how that would have turned out. Same goes for Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, etc……. To use the Browns as an example is to use garlic in chocolate cake, it just doesn’t work
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton Manning WAS in a horrible situation to start his career
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 7, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Take
a guy like Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning, John Elway, etc….they all made their teams better. Roth just sort of went in and was a game manager. His first Superbowl even, his defense pulled his butt outta the fire…
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His first few years
I thought he was pretty overrated. But the Steelers have been a pass-first offense recently and Roethlisberger has carried the offense, he certainly makes them a lot better now.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also has 9 years to get a pass off
I almost threw a shoe through my TV when I watched that SD vs Pitt game…. it was ridiculous and I think any QB with an average set of skills behind that O-line could possibly do just as much
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
The Steelers have had a poor line for years, it’s only Ben’s pocket presence and ability to break tackles that has kept him somewhat upright.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben's Stat Line From Last Years Super Bowl
21/30-256-TD-INT I would say that is a bit more then being a game manager. But you are right about the 1st Super Bowl
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I just don’t like him.
In my eyes he’s overrated. He just got lucky to be drafted to Pittsburgh. I think that if the 2004 draft would have been stacked like this one’s going to be, he would have fell out of the top 2 rounds and been backing someone up
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe he would’ve become a niner? naah….nevermind, i don’t like the guy either
by sundaysfinest on Nov 6, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a game manager to me I think!
How many of those yards were on the final drive?
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by rlott#42 on Nov 7, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree 100 Percent With Brendan
There is absolutely no way the Steelers draft a QB. You don’t draft for depth at that position in the 1st round, it rarely happens. Brees hadn’t proven himself, Big Ben has won 2 Super Bowls. That is a stretch to say the least.
Plus Pittsburgh does have some need that they can fill there.
1. Heath Miller is getting old so i can see Jermaine Grisham going there, although they do have Matt Spaeth.
2. They do need some corner back help so if Haden falls to them they will scoop him up.
3. Hines Ward isn’t getting any younger and they could use a #2 in the future behind Santonio Holmes
4. You could never have enough offensive linemen on either side of the ball
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could probably have enough offensive lineman on defense! ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not The Way
Pittsburgh rotates their linemen in and out. Plus Hampton is 32 and a free agent, so if Cody is there they go that way. I was just pointing out that they have multiple needs and QB has to be the least viable option at #1
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bold it for you
4. You could never have enough offensive linemen on either side of the ball
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Meant you could never have enough linemen on either side of the ball. C’mon man you knew what i was talking about.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It still looked funny...
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
Just messing with you. ;-P
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Contraire to popular belief
QB’s are drafted in the 1st as backups…
This year is stacked more than it has been in a long time so it wouldnt surprise me one bit
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
They don’t get drafted to backup young, highly-paid, franchise QB’s. Show me one instance.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And since when would a 23rd pick get paid top 10 money? I mean maybe if he hires Eugene Parker thats a likely…or unlikely scenario but not realistic. It seems to me that you think for some reason that the Steelers would be selling the farm to roster Bradford at 23. I just dont see that you have a valid argument.
For the last time and I will end this topic, there’s no possible way you could tell that they will not draft a backup QB as their number 1 pick. They already have a stacked roster and not many holes.
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Drew
I am not sure what SB nation rules are regarding wagers but i will give you 10/1 odds that they don’t draft a QB in the 1st round and even 3/1 odds they don’t go after one in the 2nd round. If not we could have a signature bet LOL
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t bet on any draft pick at all. Every year proves that outside of the top 10 anything is possible. Lately even outside of the top 5.
It’s just my opinion and it’s just a mock draft. I would like to see more mock drafts from our fans here. So far it’s just been me and rlott#42
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted a mock draft
A few weeks ago, pretty long writeups too.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay Let Me Work On Mine And I Will Post It Soon
Fair enough?
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh
won’t be with the same 3 QB’s they have on the roster this year. Like I said before, Batch should be moving along and Dennis Dixon is far from a true QB. He reminds me alot of Kordell Stewart
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And you still don’t use a first on a backup QB. It’s just common sense, it never happens. Rivers and Quinn were drafted because their current QB’s sucked at the time.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford/Steelers
Why would the Steelers pay for a 1st round QB when they already have a franchise guy? That would be a great idea but you would have to convince Bradford that you want to pay him in peanuts. In other words having a multi-million dollar backup isn’t viable. He would certainly make good trade bait though considering the lack of top echelon QB talent in the draft.
by Hoopers Judge on Nov 6, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Multi-million dollar contract?
Do you know what Shaun Hill is making this year? 3 Million dolllars. Do you know what a standard rookie contract is typically? 5 years. Do the math…18 million dollar contract tops at the 23rd pick. Crabtree only got, what, 32 Mill for 6 years? What do you think a 23rd pick is slotted around? If Bradfor is picked there, he will get 23rd pick money. Since his shoulder is all busted up don’t you think it’s possible his stock has dropped. I am not sure what all you people are thinking when you think they’re going to have to fork out all this cash… and more importantly anything different than what any other back up is currently making.
by Drew K on Nov 7, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll slip past the Redskins
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by rlott#42 on Nov 8, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It will all depend on how he does in the combine.
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 8, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody drafts 1st round QB's for depth
Ever. If they drafted Bradford there he’d probably get a $25 million dollar contract, way too expensive for a backup QB forgetting the fact that they have other huge needs.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe maybe not
we’ll see…
Not sure what other needs they have. Trust me, I looked through every depth chart before posting this.
You should post your own
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the packers did kind of the samething with rodgers
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They drafted Brohm in the late second round
Before Rodgers had started a game. Drafting a backup QB in the first round for a franchise QB with a recently signed $100 million contract would be just insane, even worse than Al Davis. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be rude
But trust me, there is no chance they take a first round QB as a backup to Big Ben. They just signed him to a $100 million contract a year or so ago.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know your probably right just saying
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Theres no possible way you could know that
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has it ever happened??
It would be an incredible waste of resources. Seriously, there’s no chance.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just gave you an example of
Phillips and Brees
Anderson and Quinn
There’s several more times that it’s happened…I am sure if you researched it, you’d find that it happens more often than you think. If you don’t have a solid backup these days and your starter goes down while you’re making a run…youre finished.
Like I said it would not surprise me all that much. There are alot of backups that make that type of money. I have them picking him at 23. The slotted money for the 23rd pick wouldn’t be mcuh different than what they’d pay another backup. Really, it’s not that far fetched but your entitled to think what you want
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I pointed out to you
How Brees and Rivers is a horrible example. Really, it has nothing to do with the Steelers situation. Brees was cheap and bad, that’s why they drafted Rivers. Your crazy if you think they still would have picked him if Brees had a recently signed $100 million deal and was playing like a stud.
The same goes for Quinn. Anderson had not even started a game at that point, and was making near the league minimum. Beyond that he was and is bad anyways.
Yes, there’s a time when everyone is entitled to their opinion, but not really here. Sorry, but your opinion is just wrong. If you think the Steelers are going to be the first team to decide they want to pay top 10 money to a backup QB then that’s your opinion, albeit a naive one, but saying that it happens sometimes is wrong, period. It does not happen.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just showed you where it happened
Brees was under a pretty fat contract… Just because you discount my points does not equal you’re right. The Steelers will be needing a QB. They are drafting backups everywhere else anyway. Not one of their starters will be replaced and if they are it will be by someone who is already on the roster.
Like I said, you can call me naive and all the other things under the sun but you’re not a phsycic and thats what it’d take for you to know that they will not draft a QB in the 1st. Nothing is certain so dont try and act like it is
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Brees wasn't
He was only making $2 million or so IIRC.
They will need a backup QB, that’s not a spot you waste a first round pick on. They could sign any decent veteran and be fine, you don’t sign a rookie to a huge contract in the hopes he never plays a down for you.
And yes, they have some starters that need to be replaced. Both lines are very old and need help, Willie Parker will be gone so they might want a RB to team with Mendenhall, Hines Ward isn’t going to be around much longer, and they don’t have many good corners. I’ve also heard Steeler fans say they need more LB depth. They’d burn down Heinz Field if they took a QB in the first.
You don’t have to be psychic to predict things that are just flat out obvious. For instance, I can say with 100% confidence (for all intents and purposes) that a kicker won’t be picked first overall. Similiarly, teams with young, expensive, franchise QB’s like the Steelers, Bears, Falcons, Lions, and Jets WILL NOT take a quarterback in the first round barring a career ending injury.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Using that kind of argument in a discussion of a future draft is egregiously hypocritical and more importantly useless
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 8, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but the odds are I don’t think they’ll do it
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drew
what about WR, DT, CB, and Safety.
I am not doubting that you looked through every depth chart. But did you take into consideration the pending free agency of Casey Hampton, Hines Ward Age or the lack of quality young corners on the roster? Though it may seem they are set at every position a further look shows that they have more needs then a back up QB.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hines Ward isn’t going anywhere and Mike Wallace is very solid to step in to the #2 and Limas Sweed should be a very viable #3 for them when Ward goes… They could possibly be a little deeper at DE and DT but they are set at CB. Pretty much anywhere you go with them they have very solid starters. They will for the most part be drafting backups. I don’t think they have a ton of guys that will be unrestricted free agents either
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Set At CB?
Townsend is 34. Taylor is there #1 CB and is really good, Gay is a decent CB but may be more suited for NB. So this position would be a much larger need then QB.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor and Gay
will be solid there for a few years and I think they like Ratliff as the nickel CB
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In addition- 49ers top 6 picks
1A- Trent Williams OT, Oklahoma
1B- Sergio Kindle OLB, Texas
2- Darrell Stuckey, SS Kansas
3- Stafon Johnson, RB USC
4- Mike Pouncey, G Florida (Jr.)
5- Ryan Mallett, QB Arkansas
6- Anthony Gaitor, CB Florida International
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Like This Draft
But i would go with Carter over Pouncey in the 4th round. If Mallett falls to the 5th you have no choice but to scoop him up, but scouts are saying he will be taken in the 1st round following the combine where he can showcase his skills. Stafon Johnson? Didn’t he get injured working out? Is that career ending. Also what about drafting Best in the 2nd round and going after a SS in the 3rd?
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carter seems kind of nuts
And doesn’t sound like he’s very good in pass pro, I’d take Pouncey personally.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And What Exactly Are You Basing That On?
I am not questioning it i am just wondering what makes you think that
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
What the hell was that!! Please tell me that was done for Halloween. Yeah…Im with ya on that…no way Sing would want that looney on the team. Thats got police report written all over it eventually
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Here’s the google images page, looks like he wears that makeup for nearly every game. He was also suspended earlier in the year for one game. He is a monster in the run game though supposedly, he’s 6’7" and 344 lb.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like
a character that would be on Nightmare Before Christmas
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to get
C.J. Spiller….check this guy out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxkNT9IxEu8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU_HjK0va1k&feature=related
I think he is the best RB in the draft so I am not sure he will drop to us but the NFL has almost evolved in to a need for each team to have 2 really good RB’s. I am not giving up on Coffee just yet but it would be nice to have 3 very very solid RB’s.
Spiller returns kicks too
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be nice too
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I like, besides his speed, is his cuts... the guy and just stop and change direction.
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 6, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In some ways
he reminds me of Adrian Peterson and not just because he wears #28. I am an OU fan so I religiously watched AP when he was with the Sooners and I see alot of similarities.
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a change a pace back with the home run hitting ability
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gore
has homerun hitting ability but 2 would be nice…Spiller returns kickoffs and punts also.
If we draft a RB, we should probably get one that has the capability to do returns
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah thats what I meant
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's much smaller than AP
Nowhere near the power. Looks more like Chris Johnson to me.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's smaller
but he doesn’t lack power. Chris Johnson is more of a slasher, Spiller goes heads up with people and rolls off them more like Peterson. The styles are similar…trust me, I watched enough AP in college to know what I’m talking about. I have been a die hard Sooners fan since I was 12 and rarely miss a game
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's cool
But Spiller is not going to be Peterson, he’s almost 30 pounds lighter. He won’t run over guys in the NFL, if he is going to be a successful back he is going to have to be a Chris Johnson type guy.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Spiller play?
Nothing about him says Chris Johnson except for the speed. I really do not see a spec of Johnson in Spiller so I am unsure of where you’re getting that. I have never seen Chris Johnson do some of the things Spiller does. Johnson is more like a Marcus Allen type of player, a slasher… Spiller will be a multi-dimensional guy. He does run guys over, he jukes them out of their cleats, he can hit a hole and burn it to the endzone, he bounces off players, he can burn a DB lining up as a receiver, etc…Just wait and watch. Alot of people doubted me when I said that AP was going to be special when he was a freshman too so I am not worried that you doubt this. I know exactly what I’m talking about
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Best
would be more of a Chris Johnson type, at least a poor man’s version with more special teams ability.
I see bust written all over Spiller, but hey that is just me
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked AP a lot too
But I don’t see how he is anything like Spiller. He’s a big workhorse who will run you over.
Spiller is a small, quick, shifty guy, just like Johnson. How is that not an accurate comparison? They are both undersized backs who are very quick and elusive and very good receivers, the only difference is Johnson isn’t a return man. Spiller ain’t running over linebackers who are 50-60 pounds heavier than he is, even if he can run over guys in college.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to say anything else
you will see that you’re wrong next season
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, okay
I thought you were the one who said we couldn’t be sure of what hasn’t happened yet?
Regardless, if you think a guy whose under 200 pounds is going to bowl guys over in the NFL then you haven’t been watching the NFL very long.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be over 200 lbs by the time he
takes his first snap in the NFL…
And I can’t be sure, you’re right, I just don’t get the feeling on certain players like I do with him, like I did with Peterson, very often. Typically when I follow my instincts, I am correct.
My brother was telling me I was nuts for thinking that Patrick Willis was going to be an all-star when we drafted him and he’s having to eat an awful lot of crow these days
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Johnson is 200 lbs, so is Reggie Bush
They are all not going to run guys over but are going to be able to elude a lot of tackles.
I actually like Spiller a lot, but Adrain Peterson he is not. Peterson was a special player with the ability to be a full time back and have great strength and speed but very little pass catching or blocking skills. Spiller is an electric player but relies on speed, quickness, and agility rather than overpowering you. He’s also a dynamite return man and receiver. Their not very much alike at all other than the fact they both might be very good.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall Faulk
He was all of those things you stated as well…but even though he was a smaller back, he could hit a LB and take him with momentum another 3-4 yards.
I’ve seen Spiller hit LB’s and while they had him wrapped, he broke lose somehow. Reggie Bush never did that; he mainly just juked guys. Thats the difference
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
We’ll just agree to disagree then.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your brother is an idiot
and sorry, but saying Willis was going to be a Pro Bowler isn’t that awesome of a prediction.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 8, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have been watching football
since 1980…you?
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
and I went to my first game in 1621…Thanksgiving Day. The Pilgrims vs. The Indians…
Guess who won? The Pilgrims got scalped
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I would have rooted against the Pilgrims, stupid (site decorums) always had the money to lure the best free agents.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears slaughtered the competition that year.
by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL brought to mind that beer commercial
where the scotsmen play football with a rock
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also played it
since I was 7 (Pop-Warner through high school)…so it’s definitely not foreign to me if thats what you’re implying
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking
I don’t really care how long someone has played or watched football, just how well they can debate/analyze it.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the latter part of your equation
would be the main thing that matters. Everyone thinks their opinion is the best fitting. And more often than not, people will argue their point until they’re blue in the face. I won’t, it’s a waste of time. The difference with me and most of these bloggers here is I’ll admit when I’m wrong…So if Spiller ends up being a bust, I will admit that I was wrong but I just don’t see that I will need to.
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He could probably easily gain 20-30 lbs in pure muscle and some fat. Not every college kid is equipped to immediatelty play in the NFL physical wise.
by Hoopers Judge on Nov 6, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes 2 RB is the new model
but usually that’s more of a thunder and lightning prospect. That’s why I was thrilled to see us pick up Sheets, wanted to get Jennings (from Liberty, went to Jags in the 7th). Gore, Coffee and a speedster/wiggle worm would be sweet.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 7, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Best can deliver a hit like Johnson, Best can be the best back, and I think th kid from LSU is better than Spiller
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by rlott#42 on Nov 7, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa there nelly…easy. lets not get ahead of ourselves
by Drew K on Nov 7, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Charles Scott will not make it in the NFL…
He’s nothing more than a North and South type of runner. You could drive trucks through some of the holes he gets to run through. Hell I could probably be a decent RB with those same holes…oh…and he’s slow for a RB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrIY31e7yE
Jahvid Best has Reggie Bush written all over him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQdhYCZIMRQ
C.J. Spiller reminds me of…. well, C.J. Spiller. Yeah, he’s gonna be one of those guys that you compare other RB’s someday. He’s a faster Marshall Faulk. And despite what Brendan says, he can run people over that are 40-50 pounds larger than him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnL75G-Eu4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LBNA6kQWXA
He racked up 310 all purpose yards this week against Florida State and he did the EXACT same thing against Miami.
22 rushes for 165 1 TD and 3 Rec for 67 yards 1TD today
Charles Scott
13 rushes 83 yards (half of which came on one lucky bust) 0 TD’s
Jahvid Best- Out early with 2nd concusion in 3 weeks
by Drew K on Nov 7, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the first 3 picks here are all reaches
But I like the rest of it.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
!A won't happen if it's a top ten pick, why draft and pay a player that money to be a RT.
Staley will beour LT for the future, we passed on Oher because Crabtree slipped, they will draftt BPA with that pick.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 8, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just it.. they would have drafted Oher at #10 to be a RT if Crabtree hadn't fallen to them.
So if Williams falls to the 9ers at # 9 – #15, then if they don’t get a starting RT/LT in FA they will pick him. The need is too great to pass up.
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 8, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But we didn't have another 1st behind that pick so logically BPA with
the first 1st rounder
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by rlott#42 on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs can't run or pass, I think they draft OL there
Raiders will still have Al Davis next year and that pick is too smart!!
Wash will get a QB
Jacks will go D they can’t stop the run
Vikes need a QB
Bulaga won’t drop that far
THis is just my Opinion not trying to rag on your pics, we agreed on some position wise
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by rlott#42 on Nov 6, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Raiders pick is easy
Whose the guy with unbelievable 40 time speed for his position?
by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope to draft almost exclusively
defense with the exception of what i hope to draft at Qb in the 3rd.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 7, 2009 6:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are the steelers drafting bradford?
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 6, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 7, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting this. I've got some disagreements though
It seems like there’s a few players you have ranked either way too high or way too low:
You have Jake Locker as the #20 QB??? He’ll probably be a top 10 pick if he comes out, if he was the #20 QB he wouldn’t even get drafted. You also have him drafted in the first round in your mock draft in the comments so maybe the ranking was just a mistake. I also think you have Ryan Mallett way too low and Clausen deserves to be higher, he’s in the running to be the #1 overall pick and looks way better than guys like Snead and McCoy. And Jevan Snead has been awful this year, he probably won’t declare but if he does I wouldn’t expect him to go until the late rounds. He needs another year of college badly.
At RB I’m not sure why you have Evan Royster so high, he doesn’t look like a Day 1 pick to me. I’d say Spiller is the top guy followed by Dwyer and Best. I also think you have Ben Tate way too low, he’s a guy I think the Niners could be possibly interested in in the 3rd-4th round.
At WR Golden Tate is much too low for me, he’s been a big riser and I’d say he’s go in the second round.
I don’t see Trent WIlliams as the top OT. He’s been pretty disappointing this year, he’s not very quick or agile. I could see him slipping to the second round and being a RT for a long time though. Where are Bruce Campbell and Nate Solder??
Derrick Morgan is way too low. He’s looked great this year. Also I think Everson Griffin is too low and Jermaine Cunningham is too high.
At DT I don’t see how you can put Arthur Jones ahead of Gerald McCoy. From what I’ve heard Jones has been disappointing this year and if you’ve seen McCoy you know he’s playing like an absolute stud.
At OLB Eric Norwood looks like he’ll be ranked much higher and I also personally like the two UNC linebackers (Quan Sturdivant and Bruce Carter). You don’t have Ricky Sapp ranked as either a DE or an OLB, I’m assuming that’s a typo?
I think you’ve got Nate Allen much too low at safety and you don’t even have Earl Thomas ranked. I’d consider taking both of them over Taylor Mays (who has been disapponting) at this point so I don’t know how they can’t bee considerably higher.
At corner I think you’ve got Patrick Robinson too high, he’s been disappointing from what I’ve heard and seen and I’m not sure he’s a first rounder. I like Joe Haden a lot though, I think he might go in the top 10. I also like Javier Arenas and Ras-I Dowling.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I actually sort of rated them in order of what I thought teams would have them on their boards. The ones that are bolded, are the ones that I personally think will make the most impact
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Well I would bet anything Locker is ranked much higher than #20, and guys like Bruce Campbell, Ricky Sapp, and Earl Thomas are pretty high as well.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky Sapp
Is very intriguing. Was one of the highest recruited HS players in his class and can fly around the edge.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just Some Inside Information From Notre Dame
Jimmy Clausen and Golden Tate are going to come back for their Senior seasons.
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Have A link
I have just watched every game and heard them speak about the disapointment of not winning a title in 2009 and wanting to come back and prove that ND can do it. Plus the mood on the campus is one that has already assumed they are returning for their senior season. As an Irish alum i am well connected to the goings on in that program.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see
Well I hope your wrong. :-)
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're wrong also
I would hate to see what happened to Bradford also happen to Clausen. Bradfords gonna lose several millions of dollars now
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
If Clausen comes out and depending whose drafting high i can see him going #1 in the 2010 draft to the Rams. It is a perfect fit and my nightmare scenario. My Irish lose a chance to contend for title next season and my boy Clausen goes to our arch rival.
But to be honest it would be a mistake for him to return for his senior season. Especially considering his draft stock and what happened to Bradford this season
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't come out until winning a title
Thank god the NCAA has that 4 year eligibility rule.
What kind of egotistical crap is that? Is he not going to accept his degree until he gets a straight A report card?
by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit
I hope some Agent is able to convince both of those guys to declare
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 8, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ND
will also be losing their 3 top offensive linemen to graduation/draft, so that’s another reason he needs to make the smart decision for himself and declare. But many on the outside don’t know what it means to dawn that golden helmet and the pride that comes with it. I just think it would be a major mistake on his part.
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
questions about Okung and Trent Williams
How do Okung and Trent Williams compare with each other? with other OT’s in the draft?
What would you think if the 49ers created a package and try to move up a bit to get:
Okung?
Williams?
How would they tend to fit in or impact the 49er OL and offense??
by zacksf on Nov 6, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Okung is a better pass blocker
And overall player, Williams is a RT who will struggle against edge rushers.
Okung you could probably try to trade up for but the OT class is fairly deep so I wouldn’t want to. I definitely wouldn’t trade up for Williams even though he’d be a good fit at RT, I don’t think he deserves to go in the top half of the first round.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2010 OT class is not that good. Definately not as good as last year
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 6, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okung is your typical franchise LT
Trent Williams is extremely overrated and shouldn’t even be drafted in the top 15
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Might the Niners try to pick 2 OTs
in the first? Seems like we could use the depth….
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Nov 6, 2009 5:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It makes it less of a gamble on landing one good one if you do that. But if you do that, then you quite possibly lose out on some of the special talent gamebreaking type of players. There’s a bunch of rounds so it won’t surprise me if there were 2 OT’s and a Guard in there somewhere. I just can’t picture them grabbing 2 OT’s with the 1st rounders. It’s not to say it couldn’t happen… like I said above, it’s one of those things you cannot possibly predict. So many unexpected things happen through the course of a draft.
There’s also free agency to consider for alot of the holes so…
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
I could see us getting some OL in FA, and then another in the draft.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Nov 6, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or vice-versa
One OL in FA and a couple more in the draft, more likely.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Nov 6, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guards
are harder to find in the draft. Personally if it was up to me, I would get a solid guard in free agency and a couple tackles in the draft. Chilo needs someone he can develop and learn from
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
They’re just not picked as high, but they shouldn’t be any harder to find than a tackle. You could actually turn a tackle into a guard if you wanted to.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ala
Robert Gallery, but that was just because he was a bust
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah of course
Because if they can stay at tackle you almost always want them too since tackles are harder to find, it’s a much tougher position to play because you have to deal with an edge rush.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chilo Rachal?
there have been alot more. It’s alot easier to go for the sure thing in free agency with at the guard position
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's EXACTLY the opposite than what McCloughan thinks.
by hudd07 on Nov 10, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McCloughan thinks that enormous Gs are good
He doesn’t seem to care about quick feet.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
but he doesn’t feel like he should have to pay top dollar for a guard. That’s why Smiley is gone. We don’t ever sign Guards in FA since McC has been hear. I even remember reading somewhere that he feels it’s easier to draft a Guard, and would rather do that, then sign for a big contract. Granted, he SUCKS at drafting OL, but that’s still his thought process.
by hudd07 on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The scouts probably suck too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Way
The 49ers actually don’t need two offensive tackles, they need one good one. They have Joe Staley and Tony Pashos under contract and Alex Boone waiting in the wings. They need 1 tackle and 1 guard.
Either way it’s more likely the 49ers sign a tackle and guard in free agency then draft another offensive linemen in the middle rounds. As mentioned above Pouncey and Carter come to mind. And not to be repetitive but other positions in the draft are more top heavy and talented then the offensive line. DE, LB, CB and S come to mind
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by nocal81 on Nov 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Pashos under contract for next year too?
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
He signed a one year deal. However, with his season over his free agency bid just got {site decorum} canned. The 49ers might be able to land him again for a very favorable contract.
by bignerd on Nov 6, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
If he still has anything left.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 7, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boone waiting in the wings?
Maybe Boone needs to grow some wings. (He’s no angel.) Anyway, i think he is kind of a long shot, no? Undrafted. Lazy. Just being big does not make you an OT in the NFL.
I mean, sure, i hope he gets it together, but in the mean time we need someone we can count on.
(Even Sing could not get “Mudslide” to get serious about training…)
by zacksf on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
But perhaps one in the first and then another a few rounds later.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Ryan Matthews?
I find that hard to believe, considering he is the nations leading rusher.
by Poundtherock on Nov 6, 2009 8:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how I overlooked that
I have even seen him play. It just slipped my attention. Thank you for pointing that out. I added him to this list above.
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell and Thomas could be first rounders
Just so you know.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think
he was going to declare. I assumed he was staying for his Jr. year. Did you see something that suggest he was entering the draft?
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Just heard a lot of people praising him and saying he has a decent shot at being a first round pick. I figure with a potential rookie cap looming anyone who can be a first rounder should declare this year.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas
If he runs well at the draft combine, he deserves to go high.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Myron Rolle?
why is no one talking about him. he would have been a first round pick had he not decided to attend oxford and i think he could help the 49ers if berry or mays are not available
by andylee4 on Nov 6, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's supposedly not a first round talent
That’s what I have read from multiple scouting reports.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 6, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Samari's cousin?
I thought he was going to be a Doctor instead… I didn’t know he declared for the 2010 Draft
by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PFT says hes declaring
“Per Adam Schefter of ESPN, Rolle is making plans to play in the Senior Bowl, and he’ll participate in the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. He’s expected to run the 40-yard dash in under 4.5 seconds.” Adam Schefter has been pretty reliable and a safety running is sub 4.5 40 at 6’2" 220 could have an immediate impact
by andylee4 on Nov 6, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This type of player seems to be a SIngletary guy, just like Oher, it had to be hard to pass him up.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 7, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep put him on the board if he declares
So sounds like even if we lose out on Berry we still have a chance at Campbell(?), Rolle, Thomas and Allen. Would be oh so sweet if we could pick up an OL, NT, and S with our first 3 picks and then look for an LB/DE pass rush guy in the 3rd and then lefevour or hall in the 4th. Again all dependent upon our FA moves.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Side note:
Chris Berman announced: The Bucs are wearing their Creamsicle Uni’s this coming weekend.
Are they trying to suggest that the 1st round pick is theres with this action? haha


by Drew K on Nov 6, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My 1st attempt at my mock draft
Ok. I will bite on this topic. Here is my first shot at a mock draft. I am going to use the order that Drew put down at the top of the thread.
1. TAMPA BAY BUCS- Ndumukong Suh. Should probably trade down as they have many many holes that need to be filled, but if they stay they channel their inner Warren Sapp and take Suh here.
2. ST. LOUIS RAMS- Jimmy Clausen. Mark Bulger is done. Clausen is probably the most pro ready QB and will step in right away.
3. DETROIT LIONS- Russel Okung. Matt Stafford looks like he could be a player. With Calvin Johnson on the outside, they need to find a way to keep him healthy and in the lineup.
4. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS- Dez Bryant. After spending the money on Cassel they need to give him an opportunity to succeed.
5. OAKLAND RAIDERS-Taylor Mays. This is probably the easiest pick in the draft. Find the biggest athlete who can run the fastest and paste his name here.
6. CLEVELAND BROWNS-Jake Locker. Browns desperately need some hope on the offensive side of the ball. Locker is a dynamic talent who can run (and with their o-line he will need to.)
7. WASHINGTON REDSKINS-Gerald Mccoy. Team him up with Albert Haynesworth and this defense instantly becomes one of the best up the middle. * This is the Redskins so watch out for something interesting here.
8. TENNESSEE TITANS- Sam Bradford. I am guessing that the Vince Young experiment proves to be a failure (although I really do like VY and will be rooting for him outside of this week.) Bradford proves himself healthy and gets the right to hand the ball to Johnson 20+ times a game.
9. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS (FROM CAROLINA)- Eric Berry. 49ers holding their breath that Berry or Mays falls to them. Berry and Willis running around on the field will be very exciting for us to watch.
10. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS- Arrelious Benn. Could they actually take Tebow here? I dont think so. Torry Holt is no longer a viable wide out and they need to give Jones-Drew some help.
11. BUFFALO BILLS- Terrance Cody- The Bills run defense is atrocious. The addition of Cody will go a long way to help them.
12. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS-Joe Haden- Top CB goes here to Seattle as they continue to add to there defense.
13. CHICAGO BEARS- Brandon Spikes. Brian Urlacher can not be counted on any longer. Spikes will come in and maybe gouge the competition… I am sorry I could not resist.
14. ARIZONA CARDINALS-Greg Hardy. They are pretty good on the offensive side of the ball. This will help out the defensive front.
15. MIAMI DOLPHINS- Derrick Morgan. Joey Porter getting up there in age. Means it is time to move along.
16. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS- Brian Buluga. Maybe a little low for the Iowa star, but the Charges may be looking to replace Marcus Mcneil.
17. GREEN BAY PACKERS- CJ Spiller. Makes this offense all that much more dynamic.
18. NEW YORK JETS- Arthur Jones. DT can help replace Kris Jenkins.
19. DALLAS COWBOYS-Carlos Dunlap. Could be the ultimate Boom/Bust prospect.
20. HOUSTON TEXANS-Rodney Hudson- Maybe a little to early for a guard prospect… but I am not so enthused by the remaining tackles.
21. CINCINNATI BENGALS- Sean Witherspoon. Can play both inside and outside and take the Bengals strong rushing defense and make it an elite one.
22. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS-Sergio Kindle. I would love love love to take Best here but we really need to put some pressure on the QB.
23. PITTSBURGH STEELERS- Jermaine Grisham. The rich get richer as the Steelers pick up the top TE in the draft
24. ATLANTA FALCONS- Ciron Black. Provide some protection for Matt Ryan. Could also look at Defensive secondary.
25. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES- Rolando Mcclain. Have lacked up the middle this year.
26. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS- Jahvid Best. Mix him in the backfield and give Manning another elite weapon to rely on.
27. NEW YORK GIANTS-Jonathon Dwyer. Just seeing if you are paying attention still. They pick up some secondary help with Kyle Wilson from Boise St.
28. BALTIMORE RAVENS-Damian Williams. Tall playmaker for Joe Flacco to reach out to.
29. MINNESOTA VIKINGS-Jevan Sneed. Perfect sitaution to allow him to come in and sit behind the best for a yr. Maybe two…. or three.
30. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (FROM DENVER)-Jonathon Dwyer. Big back instantly is the most talented player in the backfield.
31. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS-Marvin Austin. Helps provide some of the size that the Dline lost with the trading of Richard Seymour
32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS- Patarick Robinson. The Saints get a potential steal here.
by Andrew9er on Nov 7, 2009 5:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
As for WR,
Since we’re in rebuilding mode, we really need to get some more “Big Uglies”. As in DE’s, OG’s, etc. I also think since its so blatant that we totally suck at defense that defense will be picked in the 1st. I hope for us to get Morgan Burnett (Safety), Terrence Cody (Eventual replacement for Henderson), trade back and get Greg Hardy, get Rolando Mcclain or Brandon Spikes depending on which defensive scheme we decide to use for the future, or just trade down and garner picks.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 7, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Raiders will draft Mays. Even if they don’t need him.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, The Raiders will draft someone who should go in the 3rd round.
I can see Berry falling to our 1st pick just like Crabtree did in 2009.
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 9, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree
fell because of his foot. There’s nothing wrong with Berry. If he just does horrible in the combine that would be the only way. But I am not sure he will do bad in the combine. I suppose there’s always a chance though
by Drew K on Nov 9, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i was actually doing positive thinking.. If it happened in 2009, then it can happen again in 2010
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Observations on 2010 "uncapped" FA moves.
One thing I see in this thread is that people are not taking into account the distortions that may affect Free Agency in 2010 due to the fact it is an “uncapped” year. “Uncapped” means there will be no limits on what teams can bid for FA players because there will be no salary cap. Owners like Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, and Al Davis will be able to overspend to their heart’s delight.
So how does this affect the 49ers? Forget about signing M. McNeil from the Chargers because good OTs are hard to find in this league and someone will be willing to pay him Haynesworth money. The same may be true of NT V. Wilfork – anyone think Nolan in Denver or the Tuna in Miami wouldn’t love to have him? Same thing for the good pass rushers and CBs. 2010 will not be a good year to be hunting for FA help. So I don’t see McCloughan diving into bidding wars next year when help can be found in the draft.
Which leads us to A. Franklin. The 9ers best move might be to franchise him to keep him off the FA market for a year while they develop his replacement (T. Cody or D. Williams?). Or they could attempt to re-sign him to a longer contract if he fits into the team’s long term plans. Getting into a bidding war with Denver or Miami for his services would not be prudent.
by MontanaPass on Nov 7, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope we can get McNeil. That would help a lot and would use our draft picks for something else.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 7, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why pay $100mil for a RT?
The 9ers don’t need a LT, they need a better RT, and nobody in their right mind is going to pay top LT $$$ for a RT. The team can draft a player like RT Selvish Capers (WV) in the late 1st who has good feet and outstanding pass pro skills. Another RT prospect is Chris Scott (Tenn) who is huge (350lbs) and fairly agile but a little slow for LT – I would draft him and make him a LG.
I just don’t see the urgency to get a top LT in FA at an inflated price when other options are available. And then there’s still A. Boone, who may or may not turn into a good RT(I think he needs to move inside to OG). And T. Pashos may be resigned, too. So there are options at RT without getting into a bidding war over McNeil.
Actually, the 9ers’ problems on the OL are mostly at the guard positions with Rachal and Baas. Baas is a FA next year and will go somewhere else and Rachal will hopefully improve, so what the team really needs is a RT who is good at pass pro and a better LG. Both can be had in the draft without breaking the bank. I was for trading for McNeil before the deadline because the team obviously needs help this year, but that didn’t happen. Which leads me to conclude that if McCloughan wouldn’t do a deal for McNeil this year in the face of obvious need, why would he chase him in FA in an uncapped year. I just don’t think that’s going to happen either.
by MontanaPass on Nov 7, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think it was only up to McCloughan to trade for McNeil. It is very possible that the Chargers don't want to trade him.
It always takes two to do a trade
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 9, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CBA is being worked on right now the uncapped year is possible and it is also possible they will get a new deal to prevent it.
Honestly how many owners want to compete with the Guru’s of finance as far as ownership goes, if that the case I’d be trying to sale part of the team to Warren Buffet.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 7, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A new CBA this year is a real longshot.
Both sides are getting ready for war. The NFLPA is making moves to disband so they can strike without retaliation and the owners are making noises that they want a rollback in the player’s income percentage or they will have a lockout. I have read nothing about any progress from the two sides. So making plans based on a new CBA being in place for next year’s FA & draft would be very risky. Prudence calls for planning for the worst and hoping for the best.
by MontanaPass on Nov 7, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing my hat in the ring :-)
Ok this has to all be varianced as far as the draft against the FA moves. The moves or lack of moves in FA will have an effect on next years needs. So here goes:
Niners FA moves
1) OT McNeill from SD (Other options such asMichael Roos TN, Eric Winston PH a possibility)
2) OG One of the following: OG Logan Mankins NE, OG Jahri Evans NO, OG Daryn Colledge GB
3) S One of the following: S Oshiomogho Atogwe SL, S Roman Harper NO
4) RS (Long shot but I think a good idea) CB Blackmon GB (He may not be great at CB but pretty darn good on the return and that’s a need)
Then if we look at the draft:
Niners Rd 1a From Carolina (probably 8-12) Trent Williams OT Oklahoma – If we get McNeill or Roos in FA then Berry will probably be here.
Niners Rd 1b: Terrence Cody DT/NT Alabama
Niners Rd 2: Possible picks: OG/Cs: Jon Asamoah IL, Mike Johnson AL, Estes ( C) HI; CB/DB: Syd’Quan Thompson Cal, Perish Cox OK State, Nate Allen (S) S FL; LB: Eric Norwood SC, Rod Muckelroy TX, Sean Lee Penn State
Niners Rd 3: Fill in (BPA) for what was missed..pick up a good guard or QB if someone like Lefevour is available, maybe look for WR.
Niners Rd 4-7: Fill in (BPA)
I’m working on my overall Mock Draft and as always with anything this is always a work in progress.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 7, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This leaves us with
OL A) Staley or McNeill at LT and RT whichever wins the LT pos in camp, backing them up Boone and Snyder if needed. LG Mankins, Evans or Colledge, and RG Rachal or Snyder
OL B) Staley and Williams as LT and RT respectively. really that’s the only adjustment from above.
WR Corps: Crabtree, Morgan and Jones
QB: Smith or Hill and Nate Davis and a possible backup from a 3-5 pick.
RB: Gore, Coffee and someone else.
DL: Smith, McDonald, Soap, Balmer, RJF and Cody in the middle.
LB: Willis, McKillop, Haralson, Lawson, Spikes, Brooks, Briggs
CB: Clements, Spencer, Brown and possible draft pick, also Blackmon
S: Berry (or Atogwe/Harper), Goldston, Reggie Smith
ST: K Nedney, P Lee, RS Blackmon
That sound about right?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 7, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the 49ers could get Thompson
in the second round that’d be great.
by Rocky63215 on Nov 8, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep and Cox isn't bad either.
And he’s noted to have RS abilities.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm looking at Cox and our needs I say we target him
Definite RS skills holds big 12 and OSU return records (means he beat Ginn right?) and is noted as a ball hawk.Also he might (emphasis on might) fall under the radar. Hmm gonna have to rethink things a bit LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the consensus on WR Jordan Shipley from Texas?
I don’t know what kind of effect his strong season has had on his draft stock but if he were available in the 3rd round I would hope the Niners would look at grabbing him. Watching him at Texas he really reminds me of a Wes Welker type receiver who could make a big impact in the slot and in the return game.
The Niners are kind of overrun with WR’s right now but I could see Bruce retiring in the off-season and the team taking advantage of the uncapped year to part ways with Brandon Jones who hasn’t been able to find his role on this team. Hill, Battle, and Ziegler have their strengths but I would think Shipley could be enough of an upgrade to be worth the pick.
I have to admit that I haven’t been following things that closely so I don’t know where Shipley’s stock is at right now, but I would think that with his age and injury history teams would be reluctant to grab him too high.
by DiegoAsFan on Nov 7, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't like him
He plays against terrible defenses in a gimmick offense.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 8, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Crabtree
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by rlott#42 on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he posting up Crabtree numbers?
Crabtree ate those same defenses alive.
Shipley can’t even get open sometimes.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 9, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
But he has better size than Welker and shown some of the same elusiveness and sure hands. He’s been a stud int he return game and is Colt McCoy’s favorite receiver. Not saying he will be as successful in the NFL as Welker has been, but I think he brings a lot of the same skills and could be an interesting option as a mid round pick.
Also I think Welker is a little bit overrated now as he is benefitting from Tom Brady and the Patriots offense, but if Shipley coule even approximate the Miami version of Welker that could add a lot of value to the Niners.
by DiegoAsFan on Nov 10, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's like Wes Welker
but bigger. Could see him being primarily a slot reciever, but a threat at that.
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's like Welker
But whiter.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I lol'd
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Niners biggest needs...
Obviously the O-Line needs to improved and I would argue going after Marcus Mcneil from San Diego as a FA would be the best option to fill this need. If not the niners need to get a 1st round tackle talent in the draft, preferrably a left tackle so Staley can be moved to right tackle. Then they need to draft a guard in rounds 4-5 to compete with Baas and Rachal for a starting spot.
All great defenses have a playmaker in the secondary, particularly at safety which is one of the niners weak points. If Berry is available with the Carolina pick the Niners must take him. The other guy I am real interested in at the Safety position in the draft is Myron Rolle, the former FSU safety who took a year off due to the Rhodes Scholarship. He may be available far later in the draft and he is highly talented.
For all the people wanting Javhid Best, he is great against weak competition but when he plays someone good they shut him down. I know he is a change of pace but if the Niners want to be a power running team they should go a different route. They should go after Gerhart of Stanford(dudes a beast) or Blount of Oregon who will fall in the draft due to character concerns.
Another Pass Rushing Linebacker or great DLinemen is also a need. Niners D Line is okay…. Justin Smith is above average and Franklin is solid, Ray Mcdonald is a solid situational pass rusher but they need at least one more good d line men.
The last big concern is the return game and thats the reason many people argue for Best. But they are other guys that will be available and I just believe Best is overrated.
by Oracle Junkie on Nov 7, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Blount would be an interesting late round pick that has a wee bit of speed and his size denotes a FB. Not sure if his weight is due to not being in shape at the start of this year or what.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 7, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin is more than solid
Our running defense is the 2nd best in the league right now and in a 3-4 the largest responsibility for that is with the NT. His responsibility is to prevent the running back from getting past the line of scrimmage and thus making him either bounce to the outside, or get stopped by the linebacker.
Without a great nose tackle that doesn’t happen. A nose tackle in a 3-4 won’t record much in the way of stats, but his play is vital for the defense.
by smileyman on Nov 7, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How old is Franklin
I can’t think that he is close to retiring or worth drafting a successor for.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Franklin is in the last year of his contract
Which may be why he’s playing so well.
by smileyman on Nov 9, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin started playing better last year when Sing took over.
The 49ers may try to sign him to an extension.
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by Eastbayjim on Nov 9, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the 49ers need some faster players
It isn’t a good thing when a TE and MLB are your fastest players (no disrespect for their freakish abilities)
I think we need a Speedy WR, RB, and CB mainly. We need a Johnny Knox type WR who can return punts and kickoffs and has the speed to go all the way. Of course a RB who could do that could be a alternative like Darren Sproles. Even if they aren’t as talented a quick RB who could come in on a 3rd every once in a while and run past some guys. Then a quick CB who won’t get burned. I know this are all what-ifs, but you need these types of players if you are going to consistent playoff or championship team.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 7, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Hill is very fast.....
I do agree that we need a CB.
Vince Young threw all over us.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Terrail Lambert had a 4.2 -4.3 40 time and we didn't keep him on the PS
Now he is on the PS in Indy. A more sucessful franchise, Imagine that. We have no faith in our position coaches obviously we keep Ziegler on the PS for 3 or 4 years, what’s the point? Lambert could have helped this team this season, he has a lot of speed and he made plays downfield on defense (preseason). Sure it’s against 2nd and 3rd string, but speed is speed and reacting to the ball is reacting to the ball, 49ers don’t look for speed, obviously, we never have it!!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 9, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't impressed during the pre-season
Speed isn’t everything.
I’d really like to see us grab Joe Haden somehow, he’s like a Darelle Reeivs clone.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 9, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haden is about 5'9 while Revis is 6'0ish
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They play the same way
Same style
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 9, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The best WR's in the NFC West will eat his lil' A(site decorum) up
But I do see talent there
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by rlott#42 on Nov 10, 2009 2:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Fitzgerald
Will eat anybody’s ass up
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speed is a lot though
I was impressed considering what we have on the back burner as far as talent coming up, He has the speed and he made someplays, I thought he was worth keeping on the PS over Zeigler!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 10, 2009 2:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tarrell Brown is pretty fast
He’s faster than Spencer right?
I wouldn’t say he’s better than Spencer though….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No he isn't but he is in his third year and can be better by his sixth
Speed is the BEST Commodity to build on when talking CB. Size is good in our division but as you can see not agaisnt the entire league. All I’m saying is he SHOULD have been kept around because of his speed, he ran a 4.36 at his pro day and said he slipped. V Davis looked damn good agaist Moss last week because of his combo of size and speed, which is rare. Speed is a neccesity when you need to get to the QB and you leave your CB’s on an island. Since we can’t leave our DB’s on an island, it’s harder to get to the QB!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speed is overrated. The only team that over values it is the Raiders. Do you know how long it took Crabtree to outproduce DHB? 1 game.
by aBulldog on Nov 10, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We could've used some speed in our secondary
on Sunday chasing down Chris Johnson
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Johnson is the fastest man in the NFL
Not even the fastest CB in the NFL can catch CJ in a foot race.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lambert was said to have recorded a 4.25 or 4.26 at a Nike camp
I’ll look for the link!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 11, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I thought C.J. ran a 4.24 though…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speed is not overrated
Name one lock down corner that doesn’t have it!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spikes' draft stock is falling
and falling fast. Jack Locker is ranked higher than Tebow.
But, anyways I would hope in the second round the 49ers go after Golden Tate.
by Rocky63215 on Nov 8, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A few corrections:
No Way Jevan Snead should be rated that high.
I know you saw him play well in a few games, but most of us have seen him play terribly this season.
And Jake Locker deserves to be higher, his stats have taken a hit the past few games, but don’t overlook the fact that he has almost no talent around him.
1. Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State (Jr.)
2. Arrelious Benn, Illinois (Jr.)
3. Brandon LaFell, WR LSU
4. Marshawn Gilyard, Cincinnati
5. Damian Williams, USC (Jr.)
????
How are any of these guys better than Damian Williams?
Williams runs better routes than any them, and he’s having a great year despite having a freshman QB throwing to him.
OTs:
No way T. Williams is better than Okung.
Williams has not lived up to the hype and will not be a LT in the NFL (he doesn’t have the footwork nor the quickness).
And where is Bruce Campbell (Maryland)???
He is a great prospect and the only knock on him is his injury history.
Where is Von Miller??
I know he’s a bit undersized, but so is Elvis Dumerville…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 8, 2009 11:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Order aside
There are some very good receivers in college football right now! And even though there are the most quality receivers on the 49ers than in the last 8 years, I would be inclined to take Damian Williams, in particular, if he were around in the second round (which is a pipe dream anyway).
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of questions
1) Tarrell Brown was he injured in the game? What’s his current status?
2) I know we wouldn’t take a cap hit for releasing Smith but what kind of hit would we take for releasing Hill (Just wondering)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Hill?
Why ask? Do we want Davis as our number two? that’s ridiculous, if that’s what you mean.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 9, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need to release Hill
Unless he wants to hold out or something.
Hill’s salary probably isn’t too high and he’s a great back-up.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agents 2010: OL
I’m gonna put out some lists of the FAs available at different positions. I’ve put their age in parentheses and their “rating” (From ESPN) in square brackets. I’m using Walter Football for my reference of FAs.
Tackles – Reference Points: Staley is [ 76 ], Pashos is [ 68 ]
OT Michael Roos TEN (27) ??? [ 85 ] – Walter says he’s signed till 2014 but heard a few say he’s gonna be an FA.
OT Marcus McNeil SD (26) [ 84 ] – Probably expensive
OT Jared Gaither BAL (23) (RFA) [ 74 ] – RFA could mean a bidding war with Ravens? Not sure
OT Alex Baron STL (26) [ 63 ]
OT Tyson Clabo ATL (28) [ 60 ]
OT Pat MCQuistan DAL (26) [ 58 ]
OT Winston Justice PHI (24) [ 55 ]
Guards/Centers – Reference points: Baas is [ 65 ], Snyder and Rachal [ 63 ]
OG Logan Mankins NE (26) [ 81 ]
OG Jahri Evans NO (26) [ 72 ]
OG Deuce Lutui ARI (26) [ 66 ]
OG Daryn Colledge GB (26) [ 66 ]
OG Marshal Yanda BAL (24) (RFA) [ 65 ]
OC Chris Chester BAL (26) [ 65 ]
OG Chris Kuper DEN (26) [ 65 ]
OG Max-Jean Giles PHI (25) [ 61 ]
OC Lyle Sendlein ARI (25) (ERFA) [ 61 ]
OG Harvey Dahl ATL (28) [ 50 ]
OC Kyle Cook CIN (26) – Interesting because starting C for Bengals
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 9, 2009 4:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Given these players are available, who do you take?
49ers (From Carolina) 9th overall:
Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
Taylor Mays, S, Southern California
Earl Thomas, S, Texas
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
Jake Locker, QB, Washington
Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas
Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
Personally, I’d have a tough choice between Sam Bradford, Eric Berry and Russell Okung. Their respective positions are arguably the most glaring positions of need for the 49ers. Bradford is a talent that could have been the number one overall choice in last year’s draft class, and unfortunately, an injury might have cost him that status next year. If he recovers well and throws well at his pro day, I assume that GMs and scouts will want him on their team’s again next year. Very rare do players like Eric Berry come along, and he might be my choice if the 49ers add an awesome tackle through FA. He can cover and when a ball carrier comes his way, the play is usually dead, as is the ball carrier. He can even play corner back. Okung is the top tackle in the draft and might not even be available. I am of the assumption that neither McCoy nor Suh will be for the taking when the 49ers draft, though either would be tempting, despite strong talent on the current line.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Staley has been pretty good for us at LT
You don’t spend a first round on a RT. We also extended his contract during the off season so I can’t see us grabbing Okung. I don’t like Taylor Mays—I think he plays for the splashy hit rather than for the stop or the tackle. I think Berry is the better safety. This year’s draft is QB heavy so I think we pick up a QB in the second or third round.
If it’s me I grab Berry first because we desperately need help there. If Gerald McCoy is available once we get to our second pick I grab him to replace Sopaga though I don’t know how well a 4-3 tackle will translate to a 3-4 scheme. Maybe we grab Sergio Kindle or Derrick Morgan instead for that position.
by smileyman on Nov 9, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McCoy
McCoy would play best as a strong side DE with the 49ers. I’m sure they could play him in the 0 technique in a pinch, but he is similar to Ty Warren of the Patriots, maybe better.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If either Kindle or Morgan were available with pick 1B
they would be given a long look at, as well as any tackles.
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Staley is our LT
Due to that and the fact that we have two 1st round draft picks the early pick would not be used on a RT. Hell yeah get Berry, Bradford is from a spread offense and we all see what happened to him when the O-Line falls apart. Mays appears to be a talent but I think the Raiders nab him.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 9, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
This is why Taylor Mays is of value
by MinerNiner on Nov 9, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that would have been useful against chris johnson
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 9, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Having Nate Clements would have been useful
by Drew K on Nov 9, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not having mark roman would have been useful
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
He has no ball skills against the pass and very low field IQ (hence this play)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBA_sYH4FHw
Great speed though!
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 9, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In defense
That was an illegal play. I’d have a tough time taking him with the first pick, because he is not a standout coverage guy, but past pick 15, that is a steal. Especially if they have not picked up another safety by then.
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...
The guy took a good angle. That’s what happens when you’re a safety on the edge and you don’t get blocked. I’m not really that impressed. It was a good, solid play. Anybody considered as a first day selection in the NFL draft should have been able to make that play.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okung is the best on that list and at a need position.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 9, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LT?
Not a need position.
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 9, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not with a first rounder anyway
I wouldn’t be opposed to getting one in later rounds for a backup to Staley.
by smileyman on Nov 9, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Mike Oher?
I recall that he’d have been the pick had Michael Crabtree not been available.
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure I remember him
How can you forget with advertising for his movie being all over TV.
I just don’t see the need for us to spend a 1st round pick on a left tackle. Staley’s done a good job for us there and we just extended his contract. We can pick up a backup through FA or the draft, and draft a good RT in the second round.
by smileyman on Nov 10, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying that the 49ers would take one early if they liked him enough.
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Staley would have gone back to RT
That was the report based on picking Oher. Well, the switch would have been made in Oher’s 2nd season.
by bignerd on Nov 10, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oher seems more suited to play RT
That’s what he’s going to do in BAL right?
Jared Gaither is much better at LT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After his stellar performance against Jared Allen
The Ravens would be foolish to have him play anything but LT
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 11, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what the Ravens will do in the future....
I’ll keep an eye on the situation.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oher
is a LT. He has the feet of a gymnast.
by MinerNiner on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 49ers are going to get another tackle
and he will play opposite of Joe Staley. Where they play is irrelevant as long as they are both playing at a high level.
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 49ers NEED two above average OTs and right now they only have one in Staley
If you have the opportunity to draft a OT who can play both RT and LT and who can run block and pass block well, then you go for him.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't happen last year
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.. that is why it is so important this year.
RT is terrible this year and our starting LT went down for a few weeks. So if we draft a really good LT / RT then he can move over from RT to LT when this happens and you don’t lose much in the process.
There are other holes on the team but OT is the biggest.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 11, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has to be Berry
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey DrewK
I think it would be extremely helpful to do a series of draft posts focusing on each position and taking the top 10 prospects, grabbing some youtube highlights of them (if available), as well as getting some stats and draft projections for them. If you want some help with that shoot me an email.
smileyman2002 at hotmail dot com
by smileyman on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This would be very interesting
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would all US... NN to pick who we would like at each position from 1 to 10
That way looking at the draft if you have a 2 OT and a 2 DE and a the rest are at 3 or lower then we can see if the 49ers follow our lead. See how close our picks are to what actually happens
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thaddeus Gibson, Ohio State
The man is a beast. I want to see him on the niners.
by BucksForever on Nov 9, 2009 11:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is Sam Bradford really going to be a high 1st round pick? I thought he hurt his shoulder pretty bad.
Anyways, I’m not going to attempt to do a mock draft, or even pick who the Niners will draft, but I will offer my thoughts on what positions I think the 49ers will draft, and possible positions via free agency.
I think getting a starting RT or Guard through free agency is something to be looked at. Tyson Clabo at RT, or Logan Mankins at a Guard position.
Draft:
Round 1: Defensive End (pick 1), Cornerback (pick 2), or possibly a QB, if in fact Bradford or another top 3 QB falls into their lap with the 2nd of the 1st round picks. There is a lot of depth at QB though.
Round 2: RT – There is a lot of depth at Tackle too, so getting a Tackle in the 1st round is a possibility, and then taking a QB at this spot.
Round 3: Defensive Tackle – We need more than just a defensive end, and depth at the tackle spot is a must.
Round 4: Saftey
Round 5: RB
Round 6: Guard
Round 7: OLB
One guy I do like in college is Ryan Mathews from Fresno State. He’s a junior and some people think he’s a late 1st round talent, but see him going in the 2nd or 3rd round. He’s 25th on the list here, but is considered a top 5 Junior running back. I think he falls further than round 3, since he plays in the WAC.
by aBulldog on Nov 10, 2009 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If he throws well at his pro day, then he should go in the top half of the draft, if not top 10. Scouts have had enough games to watch of Bradford to make a decision.
by MinerNiner on Nov 10, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bradford isn't going to throw a football until Training camp next year.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford reeks of bust
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford reeks of
He’s gonna drop in the draft and the expectations won’t be high enough for him to truly be a bust.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 11, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he will not drop because of all the teams that need a QB.
Rams, Seahawks, Panthers (got that pick), Jacksonville, Raiders, and Redskins to name a few.
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
by rlott#42 on Nov 11, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's talented
He kicked ass when he was well protected.
How many times was he sacked in 2008?
But as soon as he started taking hits this year, he went down…twice.
Too fragile.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to decide
Between whether I want Mays or Berry first. I definitely think we should take a safety. Mays has speed and likes to hit, but Berry has better skills. One reason I would take Mays is that last game, we got hit with a couple long passes, and michael lewis barely caught up to Chris Johnson
by benzhou12345 on Nov 10, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Few are going to catch Chris Johnson.. But... Willis did on that one good play, ran him down
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kick/punt returner
Could someone watch for the kick/punt returners in college? Obviously that is a need as of now. I think that would be something good to look at for the off season and to consider in any future mock drafts.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 10, 2009 9:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Snyder is going to be the KR / PR next year.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 10, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Snyder?
That would be epic
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 10, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
One of our first rd picks (maybe 2nd) needs to go towards a playmaker on special teams. Admittedly I don’t know much about the current incoming crop of OGs and OTs but another 1st/2nd rd pick should be used there too- as long as Barry Simms is making multiple starts, we can use more serviceable bodies.
IMO, Toby Gerhardt is the backup to Frank Gore we could use. He’s big, durable, and would be a great change of pace to Frank Gore. I don’t care that we just drafted Coffee, if Coffee turns out not to work, then we have to address the void. I’m not aware of where he’s predicted to go, but I would think 3rd rd (maybe?).
If the right playmaker/O-lineman is not available/worth taking at either one of our 1st rd picks, we should leap at either Eric Berry or Taylor Mays (if either are available). I’m a huge Taylor Mays fan- he’s almost the size of a LB and second level enforcer that would definitely make receivers think twice coming across the middle.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Nov 12, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can find a special teams playmaker in the 3rd or 4th round. It’s simple, just pick the guy with the zOmg fastest time left on the board.
by bignerd on Nov 12, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Every time Ive watched our anemic
return game i think of Chiloh Rachal…. DeSean Jackson was still on the board when we drafted him.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Nov 12, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McCloughan doesn't draft short WRs
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In Draft ..
There’s Perrish Cox a lower round CB that has RS skills. In FA there’s Will Blackmon on GB he’s young and has real good RS skills
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 15, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have a point
They need to find a returner in the off-season; and it could come through the draft.
Toby Gerhardt, if he declares early, will probably go in the 3rd or 4th round. Does not have much speed, but defenses have trouble keeping up with him in the 4th quarter, in terms of stamina; he is one of the best conditioned players in the Pac-10.
by MinerNiner on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
sorry
meant to reply to bonbrillio
by MinerNiner on Nov 12, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what's the difference between Toby Gerhardt and Michael Robinson returning kicks?
We need someone explosive and with speed. Not a guy that can wear a team down in the 4th quarter. Because on ST he is going against 2nd string defense that most likely ISN’T tired. A guy that doesn’t have speed, doesn’t make it on ST. Hester, SPEED. Cribbs, SPEED. Sproles, SPEED. I could go on and on. By grabbing a guy with no speed, you are grabbing another Michael Robinson.
by hudd07 on Nov 13, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
T. Gerhart > M. Robinson
When it comes to pure running (I don’t know how good Toby is in ST)
Some team will reach for him in the 2nd or 3rd round (probably the Texans).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better how? At returning kicks or as RB?
by hudd07 on Nov 18, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Playing RB in the offense
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 18, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For all QB aficionados,
remember to watch Sean Canfield of Oregon State. Their offense has really been lights out the last month.
by MinerNiner on Nov 12, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
my prayer for the 2010 draft is to get 2 of these guys
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Charles Brown
Mike Iupati
Selvish Capers
Jason Fox
Ciron Black
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga
Rodney Hudson
Jon Asamoah
Sergio Render
Matt Reynolds
Yes, we have other needs, but I’m just sick and tired of it. I want to know what it’d feel like to get one, or especially two, high quality, top tier offensive linemen in an NFL draft. I bet it’d be a nice feeling.
… or we could completely ignore OT and OG and just play around with the free agent waivers like we did this year.
"We’ll see them again in the playoffs." - Mike Singletary, right after the Week 3 Minnesota game
by Persiflage on Nov 14, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
“I want to know what it’d feel like to get one, or especially two, high quality, top tier offensive linemen in an NFL draft. I bet it’d be a nice feeling.”
I bet it is a very nice feeling.
by zacksf on Nov 14, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should know
We drafted Staley in 2007…..
Feels pretty good doesn’t it?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 15, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
FA 2010: Safety, CB, DT/NT
Continuing with FAs for 2010. I’ve put their age in parentheses and their "rating" (From ESPN) in square brackets. I’m using Walter Football for my reference of FAs.
Safety
S Nick Collins GB (26) 70
S Daniel Bullocks DET (26) 69
S Brodney Pool CLE (25) 68
S O.J. Atogwe STL (28) 67
S Danieal Manning CHI (27)66
S Dawan Landry BAL (26) 65
S Ko Simpson DET (25) 64
S Roman Harper NO (26) 62
S Josh Bullock CHI (25) 61
Defensive Tackle/Nose Tackle
DT Dusty Dvoracek CHI (28) (RFA) 71
NT Aubrayo Franklin SF (29) 67
NT Gabe Watson ARI (25) 64
NT Johh Jolly GB (26) 64
DT Nick Hayden CAR (23) (RFA) 20
Cornerback
CB Ashton Youbouty BUF 63
CB Fabian Washington BAL (26) 69
CB Richard Marshall CAR (25) 69
CB Will Blackmon GB (24) 60
CB Dunta Robinson HOU (27) 78
CB Leigh Bodden NE (27) 76
CB Marlin Jackson IND (26) 67
CB Melvin Bullitt IND (24) 62
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 15, 2009 12:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Free Agents 2010: LB, WR, TE
Linebacker
LB Demarcus Ware DAL (27) [ 94 ]
ILB Karlos Dansby ARI (27) [ 86 ]
MLB Demeco Ryans HOU (26) [ 81 ]
ILB Derrick Johnson KC (26) [ 81 ]
MLB Larry Foote DET (29) [ 67 ]
OLB Thomas Davis CAR (26) [ 69 ]
OLB Nick Roach CHI (24) (RFA) [ 58 ]
LB Antwan Barnes BAL (24) (RFA) [59 ]
OLB Keith Ellision BUF (25) [ 56 ]
OLB James Anderson CAR (25) [ 54 ]
Wide Receiver
WR Chris Henry CIN (26) [ 69 ]
WR Josh Reed BUF [ 65 ]
WR Stephen Breaston ARI (26) (RFA)
WR Miles Austin DAL (25) [ 59 ]
WR Sam Hurd DAL (24) [ 56 ]
Tight End
TE Tony Scheffler DEN (26) [ 66 ]
TE Jeff King CAR (26) [ 59 ]
TE Stephen Spach ARI (27) [ 55 ]
TE Derek Schouman BUF [ 53 ]
TE Ben Patrick ARI (25) [ 52 ]
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 15, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I wasn't clearer on that
The ratings are the ratings that ESPN’s Scout’s Inc uses on for their scouting pages. Here is an explanation from them on it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/scouts/news/story?id=2996209
I needed some “scale” and chose that.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 18, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to take an all around viewpoint here. Tell me where I'm dead wrong
I want to look over the whole thing and by that I want to try and determine the needs of the team (as far as they can be determined at this time) and the fact that we still have Free Agency AND the Draft. I think that many (including myself well in that many) consider them separate entities and they are not they are coexistent, highly so. Anyway, here goes:
Needs: RT, OG, S, CB, NT, RS, Pass rusher (We can all debate about order as far as these and we can also debate as far as QB should be on their or others.)
Now let’s look at the possibility of finding an RT in FA. I’m going to put a list of the available FAs as far as OT and with notes in regards to them.
Tackles in FA
OT Marcus McNeil SD – Possibility SD will do what is needed to keep him. Also may be overkill at RT.
OT Jared Gaither BAL (23) (RFA) – Restricted so might get in a money battle with Ravens.
OT Alex Baron STL (26) – A possibility and with the Rams having Jason Smith might not be held on to
OT Tyson Clabo ATL (28) – Another guard pushed into the Tackle position ala Snyder (no offense meant to either)
OT Pat MCQuistan DAL (26) – Not sure he’s really a viable choice.
OT Winston Justice PHI (24) – Even though lowest by ranking I think he might be a viable RT.
Notes: I see 4 – 5 viable options there and none are in the old and injury prone category.
Guard
OG Logan Mankins NE (26) – Logan is good and Pats don’t throw money at guards most time.
OG Jahri Evans NO (26) – NO has a lot they have to get under contract may be available.
OG Deuce Lutui ARI (26) – ARI has a truckload of players to get resigned and I think he is a viable choice
OG Daryn Colledge GB (26) – Played some tackle and mainly a guard
OG Marshal Yanda BAL (24) (RFA) – Possibly a good choice
Notes: Again a lot of options on a lot of levels.
Safety
S Nick Collins GB (26) – Distinct possibility
S Daniel Bullocks DET (26) – LOL a definite maybe
S Brodney Pool CLE (25) – Could be good and CLE has enough on their hands right now.
S O.J. Atogwe STL (28) – Good possibility
S Dawan Landry BAL (26) – Good possibility, not sure BAL would put up too much of a fight
S Ko Simpson DET (25) – Kinda like this guy
S Roman Harper NO (26) – Kinda like this guy.
Ok that’s enough for now will continue later. My basis is to look at the options in both FA and Draft and do the best we can to fill in holes.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 15, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
WE NEED TAYLOR MAYS IN THE SECONDARY
THE DUDE IS A BEAST
GeT Ya Popcorn ReadY
The Last Names Ever, First Names Greatest.
by Italian King on Nov 16, 2009 11:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
USC allowed 55 pts to stanford
BEAST….
Get a clue.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Nov 18, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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