Playoffs: Details on the 2 horse race...
Hello all. This is my first post, but I was looking at the strength of schedule posts and thought that since its really a two horse race to the playoffs (I know the Seahawks could make a resurgence, but I think SF or ARI would have to falter more than expected), then we should take a closer look at the past and future schedule of the two. SF has a game up on them head-to-head and Arizona has one more win so it's sort of equivalent to a half game. If you assume we can win the head-to-head at home late in the season, then we make up the one game deficit and have the tie-breaker so it comes down to who can post the better record in a very similar schedule.
Common Opponents:
SF vs. ARI: Hope you all remember the whupping we put on them in week 1 in Arizona. 20 to 16 win. Probably not considered a whupping by many, but I couldn't find the exact definition of 'whupping' so I decided to use it loosely because it makes me feel good...
Seattle: ARI had a convincing 27-3 win in week 6 in Seattle. We also had a good game winning 23-10 at home. You could give the edge to ARI here, but as we're not really a run-up-the-score type team I'm not sure its a huge advantage.
Indianapolis: ARI suffered a beat down at home 31-10 in week 3. As we all know, we dropped a heartbreaker 18-14 in Indy last week. Strong edge to the Niners here playing Indy so close at home.
Houston: ARI beat Houston 28-21 in week 5 at home. The Niners lost 21-24 in Houston week 7. If you assume a 3pt boost for the home team, then ARI has a slight edge again in this one.
Overall: I think a head-to-head defeat on their turf and a great performance in Indy outweigh the win at home against Houston (vs road for us) and a few more points vs SEA. Advantage 49ers.
Different Opponents:
ARI: They beat NYG on the road 24-17, JAC on the road 31 to 17, and lost to Carolina at home 34-21.
SF: We beat STL 35-0 at home, lost to MIN 27-24 on the road, and lost to ATL at home 45-10.
Overall: The win over STL really doesn't count as much as ARI's win over the Giants, but I would argue that the last second loss to the Vikings on the road is at least as good as the Jaguars win or maybe even the Giants win (as they haven't looked that good lately). Atlanta is a better team than Carolina, but it was a worse loss for us. We weren't even competitive. I think I have to give a slight edge to the Cardinals here. Small Advantage Cardinals.
So what have we learned?
We are who we thought we were. (I just love that line and couldn't pass up the chance). Based on performance through Week 8, I'd give a slight edge to the Niners overall, but there's not too much in the difference. The head to head win and the performance in Indy pushes them into the lead. With Smith and Crabtree added into the mix you have to like our upside a bit more than ARI as I don't think they have any reinforcements coming off the bench in the near future.
After the jump we'll look at future schedules.
Common Opponents:We have a great number of common opponents in the rest of the schedule. Listed in order of strength (my opinion of anyway)
GB (SF= road, ARI= home)
CHI (SF= home, ARI= road)
TEN (SF= home, ARI= road)
SEA (SF= road, ARI= home)
STL (both on road)
DET (SF= home, ARI= road)
I don't think the road vs home gives an advantage to either team. GB and CHI are pretty evenly matched and TEN and SEA are as well and we each get one on the road and one at home. Even I don't think DET on the road is a problem for the Cards. Advantage Even.
Different Future Opponents:
Arizona will play STL again at home and the Vikings at home. We play Jacksonville at home and Philly on the road. You could argue that the Vikings are better than Philly, but there's not much in it and I don't really fancy going into Philly. I also think that although either team can surprise, Jacksonville is consistently more difficult to beat than STL so there is an edge here for Arizona although it's not a huge one. If we both lose to PHI/MIN and beat STL/JAC as we'll probably be expected to do then there is no gain for either of us. Small Advantage Cardinals.
Summary:
In the end, we have the head to head at home in week 14 and pretty even schedules other than that. So really it's who steps up against common or similar strength opponents to gain a game or two edge. The head-to-head is key for us with the one game ARI head start they have. We'll probably both finish around 9-6, so one game either way is probably the difference. It'll be great to be able to track that on a week by week basis. Can't wait until this weekend. Thanks for reading and looking forward to any comments or opinions.
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Yea, thinking about the strength of schedule of past and future opponents, outcomes of close and and not close shoot out games, and teams performance each week (49ers started off great but only picking up moral victories and supposedly improving, while Cardinals are still up and down the entire season and difficult to predict), with all these things in mind best to evaluate these scenarios on a week-by-week basis.
Very interesting, but difficult to extrapolate onto the rest of the season, this early in the season. Maybe in several weeks something will clear up in our division, so it would be nice to keep all these related posts linked together.
Maybe in each of your subheadings, you can Bold who you give the advantage to, so in then in the summary see who has more advantages in the different aspects of the schedule/opponents/teams performance, since there’s 4-5 categories that can be ranked.
Great job on first post!
by fortyniners on Nov 7, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Good ideas. I’ll see what I can do next post. It is early to predict playoffs so that is why I kept it at a high level. I love the FO posts and I’m a bit of a statistician, but that also means I know they can be less than representative at times. And everyone goes overboard on the analysis at one point or another. In the end, its the wins that will get us to the playoffs that matter and I think it will be fun ticking off each win/loss as the schedules are so similar.
by NH49er on Nov 7, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No disrespect
but this stuff is meaningless.
The 5-2 Eagles are commonly considered to be one of the better and most stable franchises in the NFL for the last decade
The Oakland Raiders one of the worst.
October 18th, 2009?
Raiders 13, Eagles 9.
Before the season started, virtually all fans of all teams had their team losing to the Tennessee Titans.
Now? It’s a completely different story.
Strength of schedule means next to nothing at this point
by GeoMak on Nov 7, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No disrespect taken
That is why we love the NFL. The ‘Any Given Sunday’ mantra. But I would disagree in that, if wins and losses of our competitors are meaningless then what exactly is the point of any performance discussions? How can a full discussion on our use of Wide receivers or 3rd down conversion be more meaningful than whether we win or lose and whether those teams we are playing win or lose when playing others? Do you think our playoff hopes would change if we had IND, PIT, NO, NE as our next four game rather than CLE, OAK, TB, STL?
by NH49er on Nov 9, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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