Titans 34 - 49ers 27: 49ers blow it
by David Fucillo on Nov 8, 2009 4:51 PM PST
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PrintI think that simple headline pretty much sums up this game. For every good thing that happened, about ten bad things happened. Alex Smith pretty roll out and touchdown to Jason Hill? Let's follow that with back to back interceptions early in late-game drives. Stop Chris Johnson on 2nd down? Let's give up a touchdown on the friggin option!
Before anybody points to the last touchdown, I'll say that I can't give it a whole lot of credence given that the team was down two touchdowns. It's great that Smith was able to move the team down the field on a host of short passes, but it's just not enough. I'm not even going to say it's something to build on. The previous two games saw Alex Smith do more good than bad, and maybe start to head in the right direction in terms of his career. However, we can say that this game showed some of the worst of Alex Smith. He had a good drive, but when you cover it up with so much suck, the good just doesn't matter. I'd be one of the first to bark about the good drives. He looked good on some of his throws. But the next step in any development is showing actual consistency. At the very least mix in really good with some average play. Smith mixes in some fairly good with some god-awful.
After the thread I've got some thoughts on Jimmy Raye and the fast-approaching battle with Chicago...
Throughout the game threads the biggest complaints seemed to be about play-calling. I do agree there were times that the play-calling seemed off (those short outs on the last touchdown drive, for instance). However, I actually liked the way things were mixed up a bit. We still had runs up the middle, but the team mixed in some early screens, mixed in a couple of nice little play-action pitches to Gore, and otherwise seemed to actually try and get creative. The problem came down to execution. Two of Alex Smith's interceptions came to receivers who were covered and led to pop-ups that were easy to grab. The third interception saw a safety just snipe in and pick the ball. Smith has to see that safety.
I realize many folks will disagree with this, but I just think this goes beyond play-calling. Raye does mix passes and runs, but the play-calling simple doesn't matter when you can't execute it properly.
Thursday vs. Chicago
As miserable as this game has left us, the team now has a short week to prepare for a Chicago Bears squad that was smacked around by the NFC West leading Arizona Cardinals. The 49ers host the Bears on the NFL Network's 2009 premier game. I can only imagine how excited the NFL Network is after both teams crapped the bed today.
We're now looking at a 3-5 49ers squad hosting a 4-4 Bears squad, both of whom are desperate for a win. If the 49ers had won today I'd say a win over Chicago is fairly likely. Even with the Bears big loss to Arizona, I now really have no idea who will win this game. Really, it might come down to who actually WANTS to win this game.
So the one positive to come out of this game besides a fairly solid Gore game and Jason Hill emerging from the dead? We get to move on to a new game very quickly. If the 49ers can win this Thursday it might take some of the bad taste out of our mouths after today's loss. I'm not saying as win Thursday means the team will make it to the playoffs, but at least it might get some of the negativity out. People are perfectly entitled to be negative, and it's reasonable to be negative right now. However, I think most people would be happy having something to be happy about. Maybe we can get that this Thursday.
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This one isn't on Raye
he mixed it up good. It’s on the turnovers and the piss poor blocking of the line (especially in the passing game).
By turnovers you mean Alex Smith?
Just say it man. He had a terrible game. I’m rooting for him to succeed also, but this one was on him.
by mountaindew77 on Nov 8, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
Smith sucked it up this game. Some really good looking drives and great throws, intermixed with some really stupid throws.
yeah... he did suck when we needed him to be good...
hopefully he’ll get better and get that rust off eventually. still the line really needs to be addressed
It isn't going to change
I think it has just been a matter of mind set for Smith. He finally got his shot to play and was just happy to be out there. Now that the role is actually his and it’s running through his mind, it’s looking to be same ole Alex. I had my mind off drafting a QB next draft, but I think it’s a must again.
It's a QB rich draft
so why not take a chance on someone rather than hoping against hope with Alex Smith?
what?
everything I’ve been reading has been about how this is a weak QB draft with no real franchise guy available. All the QBs coming out have some pretty big question marks, especially those available where we’ll be picking.
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plus
we need OL, S and OLB like whoa.
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Yeah we need some upgrades in the safety, pass rushe, and o line help like badly
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
do you know how many
coming out fit Parcell’s QB drafting criteria?
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Senior with 3+ years of starting experience, 23+ wins, and a college graduate
found a list
Colt McCoy, Texas
Dan LeFevour, Central Mich
Max Hall, BYU
Tim Tebow, Florida
Todd Reesing, Kansas
Riley Skinner, Wake Forest
Zac Robinson, OK St (needs 3 more wins this season)
Eric Ward, Richmond
Armanti Edwards, Appalachian State
Dominic Randolph, Holy Cross
Derrick Fourroux, McNeese State
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Out of those I'd say
Lefevour and maybe Max Hall
BOth a good chance available in the 4 (our 5th pick)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
LOL yes it's just you
and glad to have you hear. As usual even in a loss your smile makes it better and your football knowledge is nice to have and your 9er fanatacism is great. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Depends...
on who comes out for the draft… the senior class is weak but if a few juniors come out it might be a very, very strong draft… all depends.
I'm not so sure
besides the one Int where he didn’t see the safety, I thought he played well. The other 2 ints are on the receivers (or officials, in the case of the last one) IMO. If the pall comes in like that, you have to either catch it or knock it down.
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which one?
the last one? look at it again. It was chest level. If you’re talking about the first one, well, yeah, the ball came in a little high, but if you get your hands on it, and you can’t haul it in, you need to make sure the defense isn’t going to haul it in either.
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It was chest level
I think people are too eagerly jumping on the “throws too high” assumption.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I'll admit
there were some times when he through high, but they ended up as incompletions, not ints.
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I was going to say the same thing.
There were many passes thrown to high, those just were lucky enough to not be picked off.
hahaha
I just read your post to my brother, and he laughed and said, “Who the hell knocks down balls. Either you catch it or you don’t.”
Listen. If the ball “comes in like that”, as you said, the point should be made that the QB made a bad throw. Right or wrong? Why should the receivers make up for the QB’s mistakes?
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 8, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
really?
you’ve never seen a receiver make a play on a ball he couldn’t catch? I see it all the time.
And yes, seeing as how this is a team game, when the QB makes a mistake, his teammates should pick him up.
Yes. The QB made a bad throw. No that ball should not have been intercepted. Those positions are not mutually exclusive.
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I understand what you’re saying here, but the point I was trying to make here was in regards to your original post. You were literally making an excuse for Smith. I just looked at the replays on NFL.com, and the three picks were entirely on Smith.
I’m tired of arguing this point here. But I’ll try my best because I can’t just let you go like this.
you’ve never seen a receiver make a play on a ball he couldn’t catch?
Yes I have. But those plays are almost always, if not always, exclusively on plays where the ball is overthrown and the DB is chasing it down and the WR knows that he has no chance catching it, in which case he plays “defense” by knocking it down. I get it. But these interceptions weren’t like that. Get it? The two tipped interceptions were tipped because the receiver ran his route, and smith didn’t get the ball in quick enough. When the receiver runs the route and turns around (the way Crabtree and Morgan did on those plays), the receiver isn’t expecting to “help” the QB by knocking the ball down. Instead, the receiver is expecting the ball to be there on time and there focus is to catch the damn ball, not knock it down. Plain and simple. So when the ball doesn’t get there in time, who’s fault is it on? certainly not the receivers. Why can’t people get that?
Thanks for the quick response.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 8, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
the 3rd
is not on Smith at all. At. All. It was there, perfectly catchable, at chest level, and even with a blatant PI / excellent defensive play, Morgan should have had it.
The first one was an overthrow by Smith, and I stand by saying that if the receiver can’t catch it he needs to make sure he avoids the tip drill. It doesn’t completely excuse Smith, but those types of plays happen sometimes, and sometimes they go up in the air, and sometimes the defense gets them. It was a bad throw.
I’m not saying that the receiver is 100% at fault for the int, and sorry if it came off that way, but I also won’t say Smith is 100% at fault either. (except the 2nd int, that was 100% on Smith)
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Smith's Interceptions
first, you don’t have to say sorry for anything. We’re all adults here, and it’s not like you insulted me.
I suppose the big point I’m trying to make here is that by bringing up those other factors, it comes off as sounding as though fans are making excuses for him.
And, whether or not those interceptions are all on him or not, you can not ignore the fact that he still turned the ball over 4 times. It’s his 5 year in the league. When is he going to get it?
It seems fans are still pro-smith for some odd reason. I’m pro-smith when it comes to his character (i.e. he’s a great guy), but I’m not pro-smith when it comes to his play. We can’t keep defending this guy. He’s no longer a baby, and the truth is his timing has always been off, which is why we always see these tipped passes. SMITH ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN. Right or wrong?
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 8, 2009 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
well
I just think even NFL players have bad games on occasion. This was a game where things didn’t go our way. I think Smith’s “true talent” is around 10-15 int / year with 15-20 TD, with some room to improve. With that kind of talent level, games like this will happen. There will also be some 3-4 TD 0 Int games to balance them out.
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I just think even NFL players have bad games on occasion.
Point taken, but from my perspective, Smith has stunk it up for several years now. We can argue that the OC’s keep changing, and that’s why he’s struggled, but that doesn’t excuse his other flaws.
There will also be some 3-4 TD 0 Int games to balance them out.
The only good game I can remember Smith really having where he had such numbers were against the Raiders where I think he threw for three TDs, but I also remember a pick. whatever it was though, we still want consistency from the QB. fans get upset when there’s a “balance”, as you say. Look at it this way. Smith played amazing in the second half against Houston where he threw 3 td’s and wowed everybody. But then he came back and stunk it up against the titans (and I’m ignoring the game against the colts here). What was the result? They lost…
thanks for the hasty response.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 8, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
There was also
the one against Seattle that year.
I’m pretty much ignoring Smith’s previous body of work, since his last regular season snaps came a year and a half ago, while he was injured, and he’s still only 25. This is a new body of work we’re looking at now, and we’ll be able to evaluate it as a whole at the end of the season.
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also
Favre is rather boom or bust (and has been throughout his career), and fans seemed to like him ok. (not saying Smith = Favre, btw)
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hmmm...
This is a new body of work we’re looking at now, and we’ll be able to evaluate it as a whole at the end of the season.
Interesting, and well put. You’re the first one to point that out to me. I suppose that’s how I should really look at this. “A new body of work…”
Let’s just hope Jimmy Raye stays for longer than 1 year, eh? Let Smith get comfortable with one OC and see how he does. The 49ers already set with the receivers, and they have Frank Gore. Now all Smith needs I suppose is to be in one offensive system for longer than a year. :)
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 12, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Several years?
He’s only played in four seasons (including this one). One was as rookie. One was for a handful of game for which he was hurt for most. And he hasn’t played in two.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
on second thought
No. It just “seems” like it’s been several years. I suppose I say that only because I’ve analyzed Smith’s play extremely closely ever since the 49ers drafted him, and when you do that it’ll really feel like it’s been a while. But I was wrong. Only 2 and a half years, I think, not counting this one….
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 12, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
well...
that last interception was only partially on Smith, the DB seemed to be quite early on contact, causing the ball to popped up and picked off, should have been called pass interference and we would most likely be talking about OT…the Niners are one call and/or mistake from being 7-1, so frustrating
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 8, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah we are a young team. They are getting there just have to be patient.
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
The play calling was good for the most part, it was the execution that was the problem.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 8, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
maybe sing was right when he Said Alex wasnt ready for a full time spread. A little conservitive action here and there might of kept us in the game. course i couldnt see all of it through redzone just the actual turn overs themselves so i could be wrong.
I disagree
the spread at the end of the halves worked. Also, it was working pretty well at the start of the 2nd half, but then something happened (false start, i think?) and they just completely abandoned it.
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We're often overlooking the times it didn't work
Like when Alex is sacked or intercepted.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I don't
I think it works more often than the other formations.
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i mean
of course it’s not going to work every time, but I think overall, it’s been pretty successful.
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Crabtree lined up in the wrong place
Plus the lack of reps these players as a unit prevent us from going to that offense more often and certainly no hurry-up more than once or twice per half.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
so give them more reps during the week
problem solved. I think they should hire me as a special offensive assistant :p
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We need more than a week of practice to fix this
It’ll take time. And I’m one who think it will get better. The problem is that we have playoff expectations and everyone (me included) is tired of close losses. Even though it is better than the double digit defeats of past seasons.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
You really need a full off-season
this offense is trying to switch horses mid-stream and it’s going to be a rough adjustment
Well let's not forget the Titans are in the same boat.
And only 1-6. You are supposed to make the changes for the better, and when it comes to the 49ers, it just doesn’t matter. It’s always SUCK!!
Actually, I thought the pass protection was decent
they gave Smith atleast 3 seconds to pass all day. Granted, the Titans don’t have game changing DT’s, but they gave the offense a chance. That said, some linemen need to go.
Smith was scrambling a lot
he didn’t get hit a great deal but he was flushed out of the pocket way too much
and also
the Titans have one of the worst pass rushes in the NFL.
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He still had his 3-4 sec most of the game even before he scrambled.
He just doesn’t risk sticking around the pocket which I like, but they just weren’t making enought happen. 4 turnovers and how many penalties is not going to get it done.
When you say mixed it up good?
How? 15 carries for Gore? How about ignoring Gore for most of the first half? Raye is the problem and it’s been clear for sometime now.
I’m not even quite sure what Raye was calling when the 49ers had the ball and on the first series Smith was picked off? The play itself even if the pass was completed would have gotten what six yards? What are these routes he’s calling?
How about the fact that Jason Hill wasn’t used until the game was all but done? How come Crabtree had no catches in the second half? It’s on Raye. Keep telling yourself that it wasn’t, because no matter how many times you say it, the answer is that Raye was the one who cost the 49ers.
Do you think every pass should go for 20+ yards?
Then be a Raiders fan. Al Davis agrees with you. And you see how well that philosophy works.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Another excellent point
It was insane… a bad o-line and the coaching staff thought now would be a good time to throw the ball all day long? Idiotic.
Remind those who wanted us to throw all the time
Even though Gore is our most consistent player.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah I know right very funny lol
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Gore
besides those 3 big runs hasn’t been very good before this game. A LOT of that is on the OL, but the run game is hardly our strength.
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Not saying it's a strength
And I’m one who believes we should be passing to open up the run. But I don’t think we win many games when our QB has 30+ pass attempts and our running game has fewer than 20. Some fans seem to think that throwing more is all that was needed, ignoring the LOL-line and lack of experience with our new WR and two years of no play by our new starting QB.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I wonder
what the pass-run ratio would look like if you took out the 2 2 minute drives.
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You can't take that out
Since end of first half drives are part of the game and overall strategy. If you mean end of the game, those are the extra attempts that losing teams rack up since they’re losing.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
well
i’m just saying that the niners didn’t have a whole lot of snaps in non-passing situations. If you take out the pass only situations, they were pretty balanced.z
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yeah
especially when he was actually averaging like 5 yards a carry WITHOUT having a 60+ yd run to boost the average
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 8, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
They threw the ball the Frank quite a bit too.
Those 15 carries weren’t all that went Gores way. Crabtree didn’t have much on the stat sheet because he dropped what, 3 balls at least? When it comes to throwing the ball, it’s on Smith, not Raye. No one has been more anti-Raye going back to the moment of the hire than I, but this team is not getting it done. Playing calling was not bad enough today to warrant coach blaming. This one is 100% on player execution, especially the defense, they played like a** most of the game. Like Haralson missing that tackle for a loss of 4th down, what the heck was that?? We could have had the ball back with a tie and time on the clock instead of playing from behind like always. This loss is completely on the players.
Yeah Raye did a good job just the turnovers hurt us. We are getting there just have to be patient I guess.
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I hope he comes back next year
Contrary to popular opinion, I think Raye can make a decent O-Coordinator. Heaven knows the 49ers can use continuity at that position.
by brundylop on Nov 8, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
How the fuck can you say that
He hasn’t been a coordinator for a decent offense since 1997 over 12 years since he had anything decent coming from Raye. It’s clear his senility is getting the better of him and that he has no clue what he’s doing.
no swearing in non-game threads
A recap thread is not a game thread so no more swearing in this thread.
by David Fucillo on Nov 8, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
What's up with this now swearing stuff?
What difference does it make if it’s game time or not? We are all men here no? Swearing and football belong together, especially when you are a bay area sports fan. It’s the only language I seem to speak anymore.
swearing
Generally I think that in most threads if you want to swear about something, if you stop for a second and think about it you’ll come up with something more articulate to describe what you’re thinking.
The reason I allow swearing in game threads is because people are reacting in the moment to plays that are happening. That’s also why swearing is allowed in the live draft threads.
In non-game/draft threads, you are taking the time to comment on something in particular, and I just feel that it can be better said without swearing.
by David Fucillo on Nov 8, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
I don't necessarily disagree..
But I think post-game threads should be included. Especially as a Niner fan. All I wanted to do yesterday was smash everything around me and spurt the F-bomb constantly. I think people come here after the game to blow some of that steam and it is really hard not to cuss. Just sayin.
He's shown steady improvement the last month or so.
He’s better than the likes of say Hostler. And anybody legitimately great would be snatched away for a head coaching gig within a year or two. The likes of Raye (and arguably Martz) are the best this team can do at OC if they care about continuity.
You make a good point.
No legitimate coach would come to SF anyway, even linehan that loser didn’t want to come here. I am convinced there is a curse on bay area sports.
I agree.
The problem wasn’t the play calling today, it was execution. He showed he can mix it up today.
by we want foyle on Nov 8, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I mean today was promising for raye, an improvement over the last couple of weeks plus we someone to stay here for more than 1 yr.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah our safetys aren’t very good. Im hoping for Berry or the FS from the Rams
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
We're not drafting Berry
He’s going to go top 7. He is that good. Then again, if he is availible, draft him.
How can you say that?
We don’t know where guys will go, guys slide in the draft all the time. Beyond that who’s to say we won’t have a pick in the top 7? Either or our picks both still have a possibitlity of being there.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 8, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
TEN
and I agreee with Brendan. Who thought Crabtree would be available at 10?
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aah, I haven't watched to many Tenn games.
We do desperately need a good safety. Also O line. Actually we need a whole new team.
Too young
And I don’t mean Vince. This team expected to win because Tennessee was 1-6. After all the focus when traveling on the road as underdogs they come home and play poorly as they did vs Atlanta. I wondered how they would respond to a close game in the 4th quarter when they’re expected to win. The answer: not very well.
Too young an inexperienced. Too many changing parts; we’ve had different QBs. RBs, WRs, RT, LT and rotated RG all in a new system. This creates poor timing amongst other things.
They’re better than 3-5 but not obviously not as good as I thought they’d be. Hopefully the timing on offense clicks with more reps and they finish the year strong, especially just in case AZ stumbles or suffers any significant injuries.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I don't think people should give up on Smith.
Yes, he had an atrocious game today, but he was not the only one who made mistakes. Parys Haralson, for example, had Chris Johnson wrapped up and could have held the Titans to a Field Goal. The secondary got beat A LOT, but they have gone through injuries. Maybe I am holding out hope on this guy, but we shouldn’t give up on # 11.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Nov 8, 2009 4:58 PM PST reply actions
That one play
That happens in key moments, we don’t make it. We didn’t in Minnesota. Or in Houston. Or in INdy. Parys could’ve stopped that 4th down play and the drive ends with us up 20-17. At some point the hard truth s that we don’t make that one play because we’re just good enough to lose. Which means we need that one playmaker on defense and offense. Maybe Crabtree is the guy on offense so an improved line will take care of that. But we need a playmaking pass rusher and Safety.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Instinct vs difference makers
I hear what you’re saying. But that instinct usually is about having a difference maker who pressures the QB or INTs the pass or makes the key block or run. We’ve built a solid team. But they’re young in all the key places and haven’t earned the level of success yet. To cross that final threshold they need another player or two on defense and lineman on offense.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We have a playmaker at every level of the defense except?
The socondary, all Great defenses have a pro bowl caliber player at DL,LB and DB
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
I like our DL
I think they do a great job. Justin Smith is fantastic, Franklin is hugely underrated. Our linebackers are generally pretty good and we’ve got a future hall of famer with Bam Bam.
You’re absolutely right about our safeties and cbs though. We need a star in that area of the field.
So hmmm
We need O-Line help, a dominant NT I think would be a help but we could make due another year if we get Franklin, and we need Safety and Corner help. So given the possibility of Franklin’s contract being extended, let’s say we focus on OL, S and CB for the first 3 picks (1a, 1b, 2). If Berry is out do you say we go for Haden (CB FL) or Mays (S USC)? And then do we look for OL? I mean I know a lot is going to depend on how the board plays out but really that’s looking like our big needs OL, S, CB, NT. NT’s don’t grow on trees and though this draft might be DL Deep it’s very NT shallow, really I think the only 3-4 DT/NT is Mount Cody and if we go OL and Secondary with the 2 1st rounders we probably end up losing out on him. Now if we get Otogwe from Rams or Harper from the Saints that can lessen the need for safety and secondary help but by how much? and we can go after some good OTs (not that many that are really good and not pushing it on age in FA) and OGs in FA to lessen that. Oh and I almost forgot a pass rusher. Not sure if we’d be able to pick that up sufficiently in the 3rd or not. A lot to think about. Maybe better carried over in the off season thred Fooch put up.
Pardon the meandering.
Christopher
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
please not Mays
whoever we draft, please not Mays.
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So you're rather have Nate Allen
The next available S on the boards than Mays? Not disagreeing with you just point out that there is a rather large drop off of Safeties
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Oops sorry missed one other
Earl Thomas of Texas
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
depends
I’d rather have Allen/Thomas in the 2nd/3rd and an actual GOOD player in the 1st than Mays in the 1st.
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Ok that's cool and that's what I was wondering from everyone
I was just wondering what your opinion is.
Thanks Vil,
Christopher
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
I agreee
I don’t want Mays. He goes for the big hit rather than defending against the ball. That’ll work in college but he’ll get burned in the pros.
If Berry is there it would be good to grab him. Maybe pkg a couple of our first rounders together to trade up and get him.
Yeah he can’t cover at all. lol
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Cam Thomas and Phil Taylor
Are two other potential 3-4 NT’s to look at in the draft.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 8, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
We need a dominant outside rusher and Safety
Our corners are fine and would look dominant if they had a pass rush helping out.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
You're not going to get a dominant d-line rusher
in a 3-4. That’s not their job. That’s the job of the linebacker.
I didn't say d-line. I said outside rusher
As in Demarcus Ware or Harrison, or Haley and Dean from our yesteryear.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah were missing that
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
The miss tackle
is on Manusky for not having his defense prepared and what he gets for not spending time on the basics as in actually wrapping a player up and making sure they don’t go anywhere.
that has nothing to do with Manusky it has more to do with Haralson not being aware he needed to take an angle to stop the TD
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
What are you talking about??
They were completely prepared for that play, the execution was terrible. 3 guys were out there to make that play, Haralson completely missed the tackle and the 2 other bums got completely covered up in blocks.
On eof whom was Roman
I hate to pick on the guy but that’s another play made by the other team where Roman is in the area.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
We should have faith in Smith because other people sucked too? What?
seriously dude. alex is never going anywhere. accept it and move on.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
alex smith
I just dont know anymore i really cant blame raye for this one altough it seems like we give up in the second half.
"Im not a numbers guy, im a Football player"
-M.Crabtree
The picks were on tip balls so I can’t blame him all the way
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
picks
The problem with the two picks is he was throwing at a guy who was covered pretty heavily.
by David Fucillo on Nov 8, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
again
on which one? The first one was a little high, the 2nd was low, and the 3rd was at chest level.
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Wasn’ t the last one like PI. The only one I can really blame him on is the first one
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think you mean the 2nd one. He stared down his receiver that time and the safety made a good play.
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My bad
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
He stared down his reciever
and then threw the ball before he got sacked cause the DT was coming free despite being double teamed
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 8, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
yup
He literally got sacked once within 1/2 a second. He hiked the ball, took 2 steps back and was being wrapped up. I don’t even know if it was a run or a pass because he didn’t even get back to the running back yet.
PA-THE-TIC
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 8, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
That was pretty bad.
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
There were 3 picks I thought
The one to Morgan was Morgan’s fault and the one to Crabtree just took a really funny bounce. I don’t totally blame Smith on those 2. But the last one was all Alex. Bad read, bad throw etc.
Personally I think he is not consistent in his mechanics. There’s something he’s doing that is causing throws to sail high.
The funble was all Smith; it just slipped right out because of his munchkin hands while in the motion of throwing. Nobody even knocked it out
Actually both fumbles were knocked out
One by a Titans rushers fist, the other unintentionally by a rushers helmet when Smith had cocked his arm to throw.
I agree with what Plummer said at the end of the radio broadcast: I hope people don’t start the small hands crap again because that had nothing to do with it.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
My good, bad and ugly
Good – Hill. What did he say about Singletary’s mother in practice that kept him off the field so long?
Franklin. Sure there were some plays up the middle, but no big gainers, and he got some good push for the most part
Willis. You can pretty much always just pencil him in here.
Gore. It was really nice to see him looking like his old self again.
Bad – Officiating. If that last interception wasn’t PI, I don’t know what is. Also, it shouldn’t have taken them a half to notice that TEN was lining up in the neutral zone on every play.
Pass Rush. Come on guys. You sacked freaking PEYTON MANNING 3 times, then this? WTF.
Ugly – Offensive Line. The OL play was, well, offensive. TEN has one of the worst pass rushes in the NFL and they had pressure ALL DAY.
Receivers not named Hill. Dropped passes, tipped balls, just bad play in general. Also, Bruce is D-O-N-E done.
Safeties. No matter who it was, they were all terrible.
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Officiating. If that last interception wasn’t PI, I don’t know what is.
THANK you. I was waiting for the announcers to mention that the defender’s hands were all over Morgan and it wasn’t possible for him to raise his damn arms.
Also, there was an illegal man downfield call on a screen pass, which I thought was wrong because Coffee caught the ball behind the line of scrimmage. But that could be wrong (that it’s the rule, anyway. He was definitely behind the line).
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I am on the same page as you man.
Why are we the only ones who see that Bruce is done? I don’t just mean you and I, I mean the coaches. Sing preaches this we will put out the winners except they refuse to take out one of the weakest links on our team. It’s getting ridiculous. I don’t even think he is a veteran presence who helps our younger guys, I am just basing that off statements I have read through the media.
to be fair
I THINK he took him out toward the end of the game, and put Hill in. Hopefully he keeps that up.
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According to Matt Maiocco
Bruce lost the 3rd receiving spot to Hill, which is why Jason Hill got some good playing time in.
*applause*
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Alright
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
I've said it before...
and I’ll say it again:
football starts with the offensive and defensive lines. This damn organization drafted a quarterback before building a line to protect him… no wonder he sucks. He never had a chance.
All of the offensive problems (except turnovers) and lapses in the secondary can be mitigated by improving the lines… at worst we could be the Giants and instead we’re the redskins.
If I had the Giants O-Line
I’d still have left Smith alone. Even with good protection, he waits too long to throw the ball.
You cannot judge a quarterback until you see what he can do with a good offensive line in front of him.
I agree with Delmuir on that. It is standard rebuilding procedure to get an Oline in place (with some very high draft picks) before you draft your franchise QB.
We are seeing what happens when an organization doesn’t do that.
For various reasons
I was disconnected from this game. I had it on but I wasn’t engaged.
I’m not saying that the Niners can’t make the playoffs but nothing I’ve seen over the last couple of weeks suggests that they will.
Did Smith have a bad game? Yeah. Lots of turnovers. Some came from late passes, some came from great Titan tip drills. The OL have a share of the fumble.
The whole team looked pretty mediocre, even the defense.
Two things I’d lay at McCloughan’s feet. Letting Sheets go and cutting Rossum without a plan. Robinson will get you maybe 20-25 yards on a kick return, Jones might not lose too many yards. I’m not sure what the report on Coffee was, but for a team that was going to run the ball, they are getting might thin at running back.
As far as where the team goes, well, at this stage we know we’re not going very far with S. Hill, we need to play Smith to see how he plays over the rest of the season. If he plays like he did today, then it’s time to move on. I’m not sure this game answers all the questions.
by Bob In Beaverton on Nov 8, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions
You are right.
I was extremely upset about Sheets. At first I didn’t think Rossum was a big deal because I wasn’t sure he had much left and I thought Spurlock would be a better fill. Then they never give Spurlock a chance and then he gets cut and it’s just like what the hell are they doing?
I agree on Sheets but..
I still say make a play for Blackmon from GB and have him be our new Rossum he’s young and good if not great at Return.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 8, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Nate Davis Time
I know it has ben too many offensive play callers, and injuries but look Alex may be a good guy but he plays a lousy QB.
Lets see if the kid can do some things to build upon.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Nov 8, 2009 5:03 PM PST reply actions
Tsk tsk
This is a terrible idea and will simply signal to the team that they are giving up on the season. They should go back to Shaun Hill and instead focus on ball security and good fundamentals all the while hoping Carolina sucks so we can draft some help on the Offensive line or possibly a future QB… one that we shouldn’t start for a year or two until we have a line that can protect him.
Then when HE has a bad game we can go to Michael Robinson as the QB! Then when he sucks, we’ll go with Battle!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Then when HE sucks
INVINCIBLE style street FA’s! Sure I have a torn ACL, but damnit, I have a chance!
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Sign Alex Brink. Start him. Kid was underrated at Washington State, and he’ll hold the fort until Colt Brennan is back from injury*.
Note: We trade Carolina’s pick for Colt Brennan.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 8, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Its is not Raye, it is not Alex Smith. It is the OLine.
When you misunderstand the problem, you go for the wrong solution. The problem is fundamental: it is the oline, weak, no continuity, ineffective.
Defenses are licking their chops when they play us.
You cannot accurately evaluate an OC or a QB in this situation.
Pretty much. I mean what qb could play with our terrible blocking and be legit?
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad he’s not ready
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think you still gotta stick with Alex
You have to make sure he’s not the guy first. He wasn’t good today but 1 game isn’t enough to bench him.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 8, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
This game is more than balanced out by his performance in HOU.
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I think we underestimated
The titans we had the game and all of a sudden we gave up, i hope we win against chicago who will look for revenge after the cards handed it to them, alex no doubt had a bad game but i didnt expect him to throw 3 picks. Also that 4th and 1 should have been our ball, overall mistakes everywere and even though i like alex smith he lost us the game with 4 turnovers that just cant happen.
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-M.Crabtree
Nate Davis time
isn’t until December at the earliest.
by Bob In Beaverton on Nov 8, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions
Really
I think if he is better he should play, and it’s hard to think he could be worse
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Nov 8, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
did you not WATCH the game?
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halfway through the season
I think that we need a little perspective here about the rest of the season. The Niners are halfway through the season and still have a lot of games to improve on their relative craptasticness.
Only saying that the season’s not over – yet.
by MondayMorningMontana on Nov 8, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions
Nope
It’s over. Look at the schedule (not to mention Arizona’s) and try to find some plausible way for the niners to make the playoffs… there aren’t any. It’s time to start jostling for draft position.
we'll see
in the NFL some cray stuff goes down week to week. Last week Carolina beat the Cards, for example.
This league plays out in very unpredictable ways and it is too early to just give up.
by MondayMorningMontana on Nov 8, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Our remaining schedule is not tough
It’ll be about how we play not the opponents.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah but
The team can only afford 1, maybe 2 more losses at this point. Going even 6-2 is a tall order for a mediocre team.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 8, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
In order to have a chance at a playoff berth
we need to finish the season at 6-2.
This team can play well enough to do it, but the question is will they?
Yeah No!
To even have a chance we can’t lose another one period. Wild Card is already out the window and AZ has the weakest schedule ever, they can easily sweep.
Is WC really out the window?
Rest of the NFC is falling apart, aside from the division leaders and Atlanta. There will be one 10-win WC, maybe even 9 wins.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yeah I still think there’s a chance.
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
I am more looking at the way our team is looking compared to the other teams.
We still have to sweep to have a chance and we couldn’t even beat Tenn at home. This team doesn’t know how to take a game, they expect it to come just by being out on the field.
Yeah but we suck we cant win to save our lives.
We played one of the worst teams and lost…. what does that tell you. WE SUCK!!!
Smith Sucks
wish we had Aaron Rodgers. And don’t give me that he sat for 4 years crap. His O-line is as bad as the Niners, and he still is awesome. and yes I know GB lost today. But please send me whatever it is that you smoke if you think smith was the right choice.
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by ninerchip on Nov 8, 2009 5:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Aaron Rodgers sat behind Favre for four years.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 8, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
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by ninerchip on Nov 8, 2009 5:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah hilarious because it's true
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
Check Rogers statline against Tampa today
Rogers against Tampa Bay who is always horrible: 17/35 266 yards 2TD 3INT 57.6 rating (74 yards came on 1 pass at the start of the game)
Alex against Tennesse who should not be horrible: 29/45 286 yards 2TD 3INT 69.3 rating
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 8, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to ask this queston again
Does Mike Singletary have the balls to get rid of the biggest problems in San Francisco and that is Manusky and Raye?
I think Manusky's defense has been pretty good most of the year.
They’re getting frayed by injuries now.
As for Raye, I’ve been unhappy with the last couple of O coordinators very soon out of the box. With Raye, I’m not sure how much it’s his playcalling (with Singletary’s overarching philosophy) or just the dearth of talent.
The one person I’m starting to question is McCloughan’s juggling of the roster (if it is him). They are losing lots of field position since they got rid of Rossum. I’m not sure that any of his replacements are better than what Spurlock would have been.
In any case, in answer to your question, no one’s going anywhere for the rest of the year.
by Bob In Beaverton on Nov 8, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
interesting you say that
because the last O-Coordinators also worked with bad talent, (actually much worse!)
But I agree with you that we don’t have a chance to fairly evaluate Raye’s talents.
OK just to shut up the defensive coaching problems
Just look at what Nolan has done to turn around Denvers D. That right there is enough to show you how terrible our players are. I am just set on the fact that we have a bunch of retards on our team who just don’t get it or aren’t truly committed. You can’t get by with talent alone in the NFL, and there lies the problem of the 49ers. There is no question about the talent level, it’s everything else. If you have ever read anything about previous first round flops and what not, 9 out of 10 times they state that their heart was just not fully into it and their dedication was minimal. I don’t know if this is our problem per say, but I question it, or think something similar is going on.
and frayed by....
the offense turning the ball over on their side of the field….24 of the titans points came off of turnovers, they really didn’t have to work for their points
by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 8, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Is it me or
do the niners always win in the beggining of the season and always always in the middle of the season lose something like 5 or 6 in a row, im tired of these 49er teasers i hate that they can never be consistent, one thing is for sure the turnovers lost us the game
"Im not a numbers guy, im a Football player"
-M.Crabtree
I was hoping...
the 49ers would end their losing streak today. Now they’re on a 4 game slide. Seems every season they have on too.
Well, we're waiting....
um, what?
4 games.
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Concerned with Singletary...
Incredible motivator…and as one of greates MLBs of all time, assuredly a great D mind. But would he be better suited as a D Coordinator (Ie. Nolan). Just feel like the O is so lacking in creativity, etc. and its continued poor performance effects other areas of the team (such as D) that has previously shown flashes of brilliance. Or going to need a really strong O Coordinator for game planning or GM to assist in major personnel decisions.
When has the defense shown flashes of brilliance?
They’ve shown that they can be good, but they cannot get to the elevated status of great.
um
2nd best running D in the NFL? Hadn’t allowed a 100 yard rusher before today? STILL haven’t allowed a team to score on their opening posession? (the ONLY team left in the NFL who can say that)
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but they haven't been?
they’ve been a top-10 D all season.
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And what a fluke it is.
That’s why I don’t care about stats and numbers. All that matters is wins and they can’t put anyone away. They allow the big plays and winning drives. Just like Sing said. ‘I want winners!!’
ugh
there is no such thing as a “winner” in and of itself. Those stats and numbers you so deride? They directly lead to winning.
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As much as you berate the other point against the existence of “winners” you’re argument that “winners” don’t exist is just as shaky and lacking evidence.
Florida Danny, our own resident number experts even sites physiological studies about varying human ability to perform under pressure, which is where this vague concept of a winner begins.
Bottom line
You don’t produce, you don’t win. The guys who become “winners” are usually the guys who are just flat out the best players. The Niners don’t have near the talent that some of the other teams in the league have.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 9, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
How?
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no
They’ve lost 4 straight and 5 of six (beat the Rams in between
by David Fucillo on Nov 8, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Smith
There are worse QBs in the league than Alex Smith. I think he will stick around the NFL as a productive back up.
I don’t believe Nate Davis is the answer either. I have nothing concrete to back that up, just that even in college, I never felt confident in him.
What the 49ers need aside from a good OC, is a QB who sees what is happening on the field; someone who has ‘it’. I’ve watched a lot of football, and few QBs have it. Sam Bradford has ‘it’.
Bradford does not have it.
Bradford and McCoy do not have it. The only player with it is Jake Locker. Big, Mobile, and has a strong arm. McCoy and Bradford have average arms.
It’s a lot of ‘it’. Or are you one of those guys who’s really big on Wins as a QB stat?
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Vision is more important than arm strength
Drew Brees is not particularly tall nor strong. Rich Gannon was right, Smith was staring down his receivers. I rarely saw him turn his head to scan the field. Other than when he got flushed out (like the TD to Hill, that was pretty good), he always seemed be to locked in on one receiver.
I saw him look guys off a lot (like on the last int), but there were a couple times where he stared his guy down (like the 2nd int) but he’s definitely improved that aspect of his game since ‘06-’07
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The last INT was a look-off
And it got tipped (or the WR was interfered with).
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Spot on
I agree 100% that Jake Locker is the QB I would draft of the current crop.
I would consider Clausen but I’d like to see another year out of him… Locker is definitely the guy I’m keeping an eye on.
Have you watched him throw?
He sails his passes. There are many QBs who have better touch and feel. He is a good QB with a great arm, but Bradford is a more natural QB.
Well
You are right but that is why I said Locker is the guy I’d keep an eye on and draft if I HAD too.
I’m not a big fan of any of them and Bradford has shown a tendency to wilt in big games and his health is a huge, huge issue.
Yeah
he is a talented QB; but he hasn’t won many games with his arm. On the other hand, for the aforementioned reason, you have to watch him.
I like Keenum from Houston and Reesing from Kansas, however Reesing may have been a premature evaluation against weak opponents. They haven’t been very good against conference teams. Also, I would hold out for Stanfords QB, Luck is badass.
I like Luck too
Reesing is too small though, and it doesn’t seem like he has a good arm.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 9, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Luck
If you are willing to hold out for Luck, might as well hold out for Matt Barkley as well. Both look like future All-America’s. Luck reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers, same size, arm strength, accuracy. Barkley is a more poised Matthew Stafford, though he lacks his mobility.
Bradford
He has a bad shoulder already, and I don’t think he can take a hit. I think Nate Davis will be the man we need.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Nov 8, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
That's true
but even Ben Roethlisberger has had DL beat him up
But ben is always there.
Bradford isn’t even a pro yet. Too risky for me, I don’t want any part of it.
And that is why he will probably fall
A good reason to take him if he falls past the first eight or so picks. If he weren’t injured this year, he would be the number one pick next year; he would have been the number one pick this last draft! This, from GMs and scouts that have been entrusted with this sort of evaluation.
So you want to draft another spread qb even though we have smith? Also don’t forget that bradford barely gets sacked, love to see what how does with a pass rush
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly!
Another spread QB is not what we need… what we need is a darn offensive and defensive line.
DL
is pretty good. We need a pass rushing OLB.
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if only
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Yup build the lines plz. :) Especially the O line por favor.
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Watch Bradford play
Watch his highlights, he is in full control of his position and movement always. That, is a natural instinct, besides the spread.
If we even think about drafting a qb it has to be from a pro style offense
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yup makes the transition a hella of a lot easier
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
I won't argue that, nonetheless
Watch his highlights, Bradford’s footwork is exceptional. He throws out of the shotgun 4 out of 5 downs, but he steps into his throws and side steps pass rushers at once as well if not better than anyone in college. The majority of QB’s take sacks where defenders miss him.
smith
will finish the season and after this game i believe he will step up his game, this is what he needed i think he felt a little cocky ater the first 6 quaters, now the pressure is back on him and something tells me that he will outperform jay cutler. i will be watching that game on thursday smith knows this is his last chance to prove himself and besides every qb has a bad game he made some good throws, whatever happend to crabtree?? he disappeared after the first half
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-M.Crabtree
Sure...
If you ignore his entire history in the NFL.
He just isn’t NFL material, bottom line. He makes decisions slowly and gets the ball out late… that is an attribute that is a deal-killer in the NFL.
3 picks
Only one was a clear pick the other ones were tips and plus do we have any recievers that can catch the freaking ball?? real pro recievers would have caught those balls besides one of those was a Pi call just a bad game overall
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Stick with Smith
I think the niners have to stick with Smith. The franchise knows that there is no future with Shaun Hill. Hill simply cannot move the ball down field. Hill might be able to beat weak teams, but who cares. Stick with Smith and draft a QB.
Bench the bum
The equation goes something like this:
Smith= Close losses to good (Colts) and bad (Tits)
Hill= Blowouts against mediocre (Falcons), wins against bad (Rams) and ?? (Cards, Hawks)
I want Shaun Hill back. We’d be one win closer to missing the playoffs anyway.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
That's a pretty silly way to analyze QB's
Your only judging them based on how the whole team played.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 9, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
the D sucked on wheels
because alex kept giving the ball away. hard to play D when you have no time to rest and the other team gets all-you-can-eat chances.
quit trying to defend your beloved first overall pick. alex smith will never make it in the NFL. wake up and accept it and move on.
I take full responsibility for my irresponsibility.
I guess
Well then put Shawn Hill in there. The int for td wasnt his fault unless he made the ball bounce off the receiver. I will defend Alex all day, at least until the Niners get a better QB. Hill and Davis are no answer. Maybe if the Niners could run a decent org like back in the day Alex could have developed normally. The friggin Niners are looking like the Raiders as far as management. So what else is there? Locker is over-rated. Bradford is going to be the next glass joe. I know, I’m just a Utes fan in denial, but for the record I’m transplant from Walnut Creek and was stationed in Concord for 2 years. SLC is where I spent the most time. The Niners are killing me and its deeper than Alex Smith. Wake up and accept that my fellow Niner fan. Peace out! Go Niners for the love of god!!
by utah pens fan on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Team lost because it forgot it's identity.
Up 17-10 it was time to shelve the passing game and play to their strengths. Running the ball, dominate the kicking game and strong defense. Instead, this is what happens when the 49ers think they are a passing offense. Easy turnovers negated all those strengths. Out played the Titans completely for 2 1/2 quarters and the game was tied because of turnovers, that is why they lost.
If you didn’t think Chris Johnson could run on the 49ers defense, you were wrong.
If you thought the Titans had a horrible pass defense, you were wrong.
If you think Alex Smith throwing the ball 60% of the time will lead to 49ers wins, you were wrong.
Smith was having a great game but they asked too much in the 2nd half. He got the team the lead, that’s his job . . . stop foolishly asking for more. It’s a shame cause the 49ers should have gone onto an uneventful 2nd half win like the Cardinal and Seahawks game.
The Titans scored 34 points! 24 points off turnovers! Vince Young “winz da damn game” staying true his skill in a conservative offense . . . 34 points.
Titans are a bit different from earlier in the season
VY at QB gives their offense different looks and their secondary is now healthy. That’s why records are about context when analyzing and predicting games.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
What did Vince Young do?
He made one run at the goal line and pretty much sucked liked Vince Young. 34 points, 24 points given to them by our own foolish offense.
His threat
One reason our pass rush was casual was due to the fear of over-rushing and allowing VY to beat us with his legs. Like the QB draw for a TD. We also played mostly zone so that we wouldn’t get caught in man coverage with Young running for yards behind us. That would have been different with Collins back there, to say nothing of his being an INT guy.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
No you're Right
It was Vince Young carving up our defense that lost the game, could you post his stats for us since he beat us in the passing game?
Just ignore the 4 obvious turnovers which made the difference.
he had
2 big passes, and our D allowed 2 big Chris Johnson runs. Those happen, especially if your safeties are as bad as ours are. I’d like an offense that DOESN"T lead the league in 3 in outs please.
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HOW MANY POINTS WITHOUT TURNOVERS!!!!!
He did close to nothing! He Shaun Hill’ed the 49ers to victory. Guess what, that style of football works.
Absolutely...
Sometimes a QB wins by simply not scoring for the other darn team… which is the opposite of what Alex Smith does.
no it doesn't
Who are the 2 undefeated teams in the NFL? Saints and Colts. Yeah, real Shaun Hill types they have QBing those franchises.
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I'd settle for win more than lose for now...
we can talk about undefeated some other time.
ok
who are the teams with winning records?
Pats (Brady)
Indy (Manning)
Cin (Palmer)
Pit (Big Ben)
Hou (Schaub)
Den (Orton)
SD (Rivers)
Dal (Romo)
Phi (McNabb)
NO (Brees)
Atl (Ryan)
AZ (Warner)
The ONLY guy on that list you could call a Shaun Hill-esque qb is Orton. That’s 1 out of 12.
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We have a better defense than 2 out of 12 of those teams. Why aren’t we letting the defense win the games for us? The 49ers need a little passing, not a lot.
because
that’s not a winning football strategy unless you have a really really really really really good defense. And we only have a really really good defense.
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24 points off turnovers
I think they were short changed. Passing the ball more increases turnovers and gives them less opportunity to control the game.
did you not watch the ATL, HOU and MIN games?
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The MIN game was won, expect for a miracle 32 yard play. We never had a lead to run the ball in the other two games.
and Shaun Hill football
kept us out of them.
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You're being combative when I'm not disagreeing with you
I was adding that the Titans as they are today are better than the 1-6 record since they are healthy and have an additional threat at QB that Collins did not give them. I didn’t say VY won the game. But he did more than KC would’ve.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Ok, with you there
I’m just want someone to explain to me how Vince Young won the game playing like Shaun Hill. Just one, not you, but others who spent three weeks screaming for Raye’s Spread Offense. Explain that logic now.
I understand you there
People who think that having a good 2-min drive before the half means we should run that offense all the time, even if the talent does not match such a philosophy.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
well let's see
they had 4 “explosive” plays (at least), to start.
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also
VY is a MUCH more dangerous runner than Hill could ever hope to be.
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Yes. Yes he did.
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(don't fall in)
(also think you mean where ARE his stats)
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honestly
the thing I don’t think you’re getting: Our D is going to give up more than 14 points more often than our O is going to have 4 turnovers.
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You don't get
Our defense isn’t going to give 20 points against too many teams without the help of turnovers, therefore limit the turnovers.
YOU don't get it
Our D WILL give up more than 14 (the most our O ever scored before Smith) more often than Smith will have 4 turnovers. MUCH more often.
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ever scored this year
that is
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
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wasn’t one of those TDs either defensive or st?
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nope
guess I was only thinking of TDs
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even still
I’d rather not have to rely on an offense that led the league in 3 and outs, and put up a whole 14 points against the defensive powerhouse that is the St. Lous Rams.
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and quite frankly
that there are people that would is absolutely dumbfounding to me.
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Where are your wins, JTO?
You seem in love with this 4 turnover offense that losses games. Face reality, the 49ers are not going to win playing that kind of offense.
Vince Young and Titans rolling out to SF to score 34 points in a victory isn’t proof enough?
Alex Smith is worlds more talented than JTO. This kind of game had 2 tipped ball interceptions, one of which came on a blatant PI. The 49ers are not going to win playing Shaun Hill’s kind of offense. The Shaun Hill led 49ers O put up 14 points against the RAMS for christ’s sake.
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Still defending a strategy that hasn't won a game
Remind you we just lost a team with as many wins as the Rams. We lost the game completely off offensive turnovers passing the ball.
Again, where is one win to back this strategy up? Just one win to support your case that the 49ers can play that offense?
There have been exactly 2 games using this strategy. One of which was against probably the best team in the NFL. YOUR Shaun Hill strategy, again, scored 14 points against one of the worst teams in the NFL, and went 3-3, with 2 games put out of reach before the end of the first half.
Smith, for all his faults, actually has the physical talent to bring us back if the D gives up 3 TDs early.
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We can get into shootouts with people if we have to
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
The titans are much better than the rams
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Vince Young definitely didn't win the game
The Titans defense won it.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 9, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
since when
is “running the ball” one of this team’s strengths?
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Since 3-1
We happened to win those games. And the Titans are no better than the teams we already beat. Seriously, the Titans wouldn’t have broken 16 points if we made them drive the field the entire game. Instead, we gave them the game.
“running the ball” wasn’t our strength in those games, our defense was.
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And this doesn't equate in your mind because . . .
Passing the ball leads to a higher turnover rate. The defense never had a chance to win it because of turnovers. How many turnovers came off fumbles? 2 yards up the middle and punting doesn’t give the other team points. Especially playing a Titan team that sucks on offense.
it also
doesn’t give the offense points.
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yeah but if we don't pass
then teams stack the box against us and stuff the run.
We’re a team that has to pass to set up the run.
lol
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You still have to pass too
They could have toned it down a little bit, but just running wouldn’t have worked. It’s not like Smith was launching deep balls all day.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 8, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
This one is a toughie...
If they shelve the passing game, they are back to “playing not to lose”. Would Gore have had the game he had today without the threat of the pass? I don’t know.
by we want foyle on Nov 8, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
really?
like the MIN, ATL and HOU games? Playing to win gave us a puncher’s chance in the 2nd half of the HOU game, and had us leading most of the game against one of the best 2 teams in the NFL. I’ll take playing to win, with occasional games like this where things like tipped balls go against us over playing not to lose 10 times out of 10.
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I disagree
We played “not to lose” in the second half of the Colts and Vikings game and ended up losing.
You need to put those teams away.
The team passed all 2nd half agains the Colts
Leading again at half, and again failed to run the ball.
I agree somewhat with what you said
But the 2 second half picks weren’t until the team was already behind. Also, this just isn’t true:
If you thought the Titans had a horrible pass defense, you were wrong.
The Titans have a horrible pass defense, the Niners just couldn’t exploit it too much.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 8, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
I mostly agree...
…Passing when we had the lead was stupid. Those turnovers were proof of my point last week that teams should ideally transition to more low-risk low-reward strategies as the game progresses. But let’s not forget how we got that lead in the first place — by passing to start the game. Seven of the nine plays on that scoring drive were passes.
On an unrelated note, I found it interesting that we were running more out of the shotgun. With some success, if memory serves.
just don't get smith
can anybody please tell me why amith is still on the roster, hill too. why can’t we get a q.b. with history? we should be able to pick somebody. this is frickin ridiculous. i actually feel like puking. and wtf is hill doing celebrating a t.d. catch with hardly no time left. gawd. i do have to give credit to v.d. though. he showed even more maturity pulling morgan out of a potential penalty. hope the short week pisses em all off to kick some ass finally.
Jeff Garcia is available I think...
I’d support that move 100%
Ummmmmm
Hill had a winning record and still does as a start since joining the 49ers. The problem is this year there’s really not much of an offensive line and they needed someone who could escape.
The 49ers have a talented team, but neither coordinators are using it effectively. Raye has been terrible, and the only thing that Manusky has done better is at least get something going well on defense as in stopping the run.
please
don’t use wins as a QB stat.
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Why not
Look at the Titans they are not 2-0 with Vince Young as starter. What Hill did effectively last year was to get rid of the ball quickly and make the smart decision.
because
football is a team game. Sure QB is the most important starter, but there are ~30 other guys out there every game contributing to the outcome. Those guys matter.
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QB's can lose games for teams
It happened today. One teamed called the 49ers asked their QB to do too much.
what?
how do 2 tipped ball Ints have anything to do with “asking the QB to do too much”? You usually say that when the QB is asked to be a gunslinger and throws up ints a bunch. ALL of Smith’s ints came on passes of <15 yards. 2 of those probably would have been ints if your boy Hill threw them. They were tipped balls. Tipped balls happen. We were unlucky. I for one am glad to have an offense that doesn’t lead the league in 3 and outs.
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He’s not throwing tipped passes if the team is running with the lead. Hand the ball off, play conservative and make VY beat you. Seems sound enough.
Instead the 49ers are having Alex Smith throw the ball continually on the Titan defense. Feels pretty stupid to lose in that manner. This wasn’t IND, ATL or HOU. It was Vince Young. The game was clinched at halftime after the 49ers took a 17-10 lead. A freaking FG wins the game in 2nd half.
one of the ints
came while the game was tied. The other 2 came while SF was behind.
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Those two earlier turnovers kept the Titans in the game with 14 points. His last two iced it for them. Again, why are the 49ers passing so much . . . the results are.
do you honestly not realize
that how the passing game plays is pretty much the biggest indicator of success for an NFL team? It’s where the majority of big plays come from, and it also gives teams the ability to come back on the occasions where their D craps the bed early. Passing O/D are quite simply the most important aspects of the game. Smith is a MUCH better passer than Hill. It’s not really even that close. He can do things that Hill simply doesn’t have the physical ability to do, and those things keep teams in games / let them come back from deficits.
The 49ers are passing “so much” because (A) the stats are skewed by game situations (again, remove the 2 2min drills from the ratio, and it becomes much more even), and (B) because their run game has Sucked Out Loud.
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There pass game sucks out loud too.
It just gave up 24 points off turnovers to the Titans . . . the only way they could lose the game.
OK
you say TEN won with a Hillian performance from VY. If we’d had a Hillian performance from, well, Hill, we’d have needed a Chris Johnsonian performance from Gore to have won. We’ve had ONE of those, bouyed by 2 70+ yard runs against a bad run D. You can’t count on that.
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Alex Smith plays without the mistakes and 49ers easily win. It’s that simple.
Alex Smith doesn’t need to win games for the 49ers. He only has to make a few plays and not lose them. Shaun Hill stats are fine. Sadly, he had already made enough plays. Why the 49ers continued to pass with the lead and an ineffective Titan offense defies all logic.
I’m not mad at Smith, I’m furious at the play calling. No excuse for taking such risks in the 2nd half. The Titans had already proved they couldn’t move the ball outside a big play or the 49ers giving them the ball in scoring range.
Right
and Alex Smith without mistakes is Peyton Manning, not Shaun Hill.
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+1
People are so impatient. I don’t like losing any more than the next guy but I also understand that it takes time to develop a winning team and to turn a franchise around.
Singletary hasn’t even had a full season yet to do it in. If in 2 years we’re not turned around then we can start looking around.
After 5 weeks you want to abandon the run game?
But you chastise me for questioning this offense in Week 9?
Huh?
Our run game is better when we can pass the ball.
With Hill in we had defenses stacking 8 men in the box. With Smith they know they have a threat.
Besides, I just agreed with your gameplan that you presented. Spread it out early. Get ahead in the game, then grind it out.
+1
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
But what would their record be if he started all season?
Small sample size. And helped by the Niners turning the ball over.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
hill
all of his wins were against sorry or depleated teams lets not hype him, hes on the bench for a reason despite havin a winning record, hes just not a true nfl qb this league is not built on “game managing qbs” and at least alex can throw the ball turnovers can be fixed lack of skills and arm cannot
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-M.Crabtree
hill didn’t win. he just didn’t lose if that makes any sense. it does in my head anyhow. i just know that neither one of these guys will take us anywhere. meaning a championship
by srill waiting on Nov 8, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
I understand your point
There are some teams that win many games despite certain teammates. However, it is a talent to discern the players who won a game from those who happened to be in the game.
No kidding
How depressing…
Why is it every time a Bay Area team gets a high draft pick it ends up being in one of the worst draft years in history? Remember the warriors and Joe Smith (or whatever his name was…)?
Joe Smith
At least he’s still in the league and at the time he was doing well but we traded him away for nobodies.
But was he a #1 pick?
He wasn’t Shaq that’s for damn sure… he was solid second round pick and nothing more… same for Alex Smith.
You know, I do have to wonder about Singletary’s strategy. What exactly did he gain by faking all those injuries today?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
lol
ok folks nothing to see here it was all just fluke the niners well theyll keep being the niners, i think they are better at raising expectations than actually winning.
"Im not a numbers guy, im a Football player"
-M.Crabtree
Look
Davis is not ready to start in the NFL. The two choices are either S. Hill or A. Smith. We know there’s not much upside to Hill. Smith, we are starting to get those suspicions but we don’t yet know. There’s half a season to figure out if Smith will be back here next year or if we’re going to draft another QB.
by Bob In Beaverton on Nov 8, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions
What a dreadful weekend for Bay Area sports
The only teams worth mentioning are the Sharks and Stanford.
thoughts about play-calling...
again, fooch…i don’t think the problem with raye’s play-calling is the run-pass ratio…it’s when certain plays are called…today, it’s 4th and 1, and what’s the call? quick handoff to moran norris…what was the trick play in the game? end around to josh morgan…who was mysteriously getting carries and screen passes in the 2nd half? michael robinson and glen coffee. your best offensive players by far are frank gore, vd, and michael crabtree…it’s so obvious. design your entire offense around those 3 guys and get them the ball as much as humanly possible. if you’re going to have a limited playbook in the first place, have the entire offense funnel to those 3 guys. what i can’t freaking understand is that, @ HOU and vs. TEN, practically every play when the niners were losing in the 2nd half went to one of the offensive playmakers…but when it was still early or close late @ HOU, and when they had the lead against IND & TEN, raye decides to start involving sub-par offensive talent (aka everyone else besides the big 3), and the offense absolutely sucks because of it…and they lose games because of it.
look at TEN, they know their entire offense needs to go through chris johnson. so they basically give him the ball every play (does lenwhale white exist anymore?). MIN gives the ball to AP and sydney rice every play (do bernard berrian or chester taylor exist anymore?). NO puts the ball in the hands of brees every play (does reggie bush exist anymore?). CAR is winning all of a sudden because they’ve decided to give the ball to deangelo williams every play (does steve smith or jake delhomme exist anymore?). ARI is starting to win because they’re putting the ball in warner/fitz/boldin’s hands every play. the niners? gore, vd, and crabs go long stretches without touching the ball. vd is busy catching 2 yd outs on 2nd & 10. m rob and coffee get their chances when the niners need gore most. crabtree, well, he’s busy watching morgan and jason hill get every target.
i’m starting to rant, so i’ll quit now. just understand that jimmy raye doesn’t suck because “he doesn’t mix it up” or “he calls too many running plays” or “he’s too conservative,” whatever that means. he sucks because he refuses to just say, “to hell with all you scrubs on offense, i’m going to run every play through gore, crabs, and VD. period.” OC 101 is put the ball in your playmakers’ hands and let them make plays. is that so freaking much to ask?
when gore was crying in 07 and 08 about not getting the ball, it’s because he had the right to. when VD was crying in 08 about not getting the ball, it’s because he had the right to. if crabtree starts crying about not getting the ball, it’s because he has the right to. what gives them the right? simply the fact that they are light years more talented than the rest of the offensive players combined — and watching every game makes that more and more obvious. when you rely on JV talent, you’re going to lose varsity games. bring in the flipping lettermen already, jimmy! for freak’s sake!
ugh.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 5:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
4th and 1
I get the point you’re making, but one correction I will make: the 4th and 1 play was a fake handoff to Norris and outside pitch to Gore for a first down. That play has worked rather well this season, although it’s not used all that often.
by David Fucillo on Nov 8, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
yup
I called it too. The announcers were calling for a run up the gut to Norris, and said the pitch was too risky, but I thought it was perfect.
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i'm talking about the one earlier...
that norris got stuffed, but there was a defensive offsides that bailed them out. wtf are they giving the ball to norris in that situation for? the second one, where they pitched it, was correct because they’re giving it to 1 of the big 3 instead…not to mention that remains my favorite niner running play from the marriuci days. works almost every time.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
and...
if your answer is that they were setting TEN up for the pitch play that came later, my question is, “you’re ahead, why the hell are you setting teams up in the 3rd quarter?” just give the ball to your best RB using a play that you know works far more often than not (e.g., the misdirection pitch that we love), and make TEN stop you! pick up the first and move along on a drive that will put the game away for all intents and purposes.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
i should add also...
that this kind of play-calling strikes me as very hostlerian…it’s like the guy’s trying to prove himself by being overly cute with set-ups, reverses, contra-tendency calls, etc. if singletary wants to take his’n and beat their’n, then do it. stop trying to show everyone how smart you are, and trying to prove that all those other OC jobs you were fired from were just a fluke.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
It did work twice vs Indy
And I think you’re guy Mooch used to occasionally run the same play with Beasley.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
my guy mooch...
…is currently sitting in an NFL network studio in part because of pop warner play calls like FB dive.
it worked twice against indy, but, alas, they lost that game because, when they should have been putting the stake through the heart of the colts in the 3rd quarter, they were instead trying to eek out first downs and run out the clock with plays like that…as if there were 3:00 left in the game or something. same crap today. they can put TEN away…but revert to let’s hand off to norris, let’s hand off to robinson, let’s hand off to coffee, etc. etc. etc.
if they lost @HOU, vs. IND, and vs. TEN with their stud hosses getting the ball when the game was close, the losses would have been easier to swallow. but when you lose games by letting teams hang around, or not involving your studd hosses, then you make me want to jump off the nearest skyscraper.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
What's wrong with scoring at the end of a time consuming drive
They don’t have to be mutually exclusive. That drive at Indy gained two rushing first downs and was using up time. That’s a good thing. Then one of our playmakers, Crabtree, fumbled. I think wanting to score and use time is a smart strategy when playing a QB like Manning.
I’m not so much disagreeing with you as not understanding what’s wrong with using clock and field position. Even Brady, Brees and Manning don’t score on every possession.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
there's nothing...
wrong with scoring at the end of a time-consuming drive, of course. please just look at the play-calling when they got to within 3 @ HOU, during the 2nd half @ IND, and when they were ahead in the 2nd half today.
non-sack plays to gore, vd, or crabtree:
@HOU = 1 of 4
@ IND = 11 of 22
vs. TEN = 21 of 34
TOTAL = 33 of 60
so you have 3 obvious playmakers on offense, and you only get them the ball about half the time when it matters most. why are there 13 plays today when the game is on the line going to the likes of moran norris, michael robinson, glen coffee, isaac bruce, josh morgan, and jason hill, when these are the guys who you’ve been losing with for (at least) 2 seasons? it’s just frustrating to watch a team that finally has identifiable offensive playmakers, and seeing the ball continuously fed to the holdover stiffs.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Each situation is different
When down 3 to Houston it was the last drive of the game and Alex had to go to whomever was open.
Indy 2nd half I have a hard time judging because we only had four possessions. Smith was sacked to end two of them and Crabtree fumbled the third away.
Today, Jason Hill made three big catches, two for TDs. Still, VD had a huge game. Gore had many touches though I’d like to see a few more runs. A great QB or system/play caler will spread it around. Remember the times we’d here how Montana/Young have ten completions to seven different receivers? That’s the way to run an offense.
I understand what you’re saying about when the game is on the line. But with Smith often having so little time to throw, who knows if the play was designed for one of the main guys and it was well covered or he couldn’t get to his second or third read which may have been one of the play makers.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
i just think...
raye needs to do what hostler needed to do all of 2007…pare down the playbook to include only those plays that (a) get the ball to your playmakers, and (b) consistently work. it’s like martz’ and turner’s reputations preceded them, so they didn’t feel the need to run 500 different plays to 14 different players…2006 was about a 10-play playbook, and 2008 (2nd half) was about a 10-play playbook…2007 ad 2009, hostler and raye just seem to get too cute for their own good sometimes, and this kind of “let’s give it to the guy who the defense least expects,” or “let’s call the play that the defense least expects” philosophy ends up resulting in too many crappy plays or too many plays where the ball isn’t in the hands of your playmakers.
i think of this — as about most things — like poker. you vary your play to keep the other players honest, but overall, you play your game with your best moves. it’s deception and variation for the purpose of table image, but you go to your bread and butter when it comes down to brass tacks. basically, you pick your spots to get cute, but overall, you play your game. the niners’ game is crabtree, vd, and gore. they’re getting too cute with the other stiffs on offense.
i agree that the montana/young “spread the ball around” days were great. but they were “spreading the ball around” to john taylor, brent jones, ed mcaffrey, etc. not exactly the stiffs the niners have now. also, “spreading the ball around” was walsh’s bread and butter in the early days. if that’s your bread and butter, then use it heavily. the current niners’ bread and butter is not “spread it around.” they don’t have the talent to do it. their bread and butter has to be gore, vd, and crabs, or else they’re going to continue to lose games like this every week (which now makes 4 weeks running btw).
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
I thought most people were upset because Raye had too few plays?
Or so went the perception.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
yeah...i think the general theme...
…of my comment is that the conventional wisdom on why raye sucks is misplaced
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
And what were the ratios for the rest of those games?
If you don’t mind calculating them of course…
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 9, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
i failed to bring up the 2 examples of...
IND putting the ball in manning’s hands every play and NE putting the ball in brady/moss/welker’s hands every play. good offenses do this. why is it so hard for jimma to figure this out?! like i said a couple of weeks ago, it’s not rocket science.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Garcia now!
He knows how to win; can learn a new system quickly; doesn’t turn the ball over excessively
I know how to win too
I win all the time in Madden.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 8, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
I've never played...
but I do know that you can’t win if you can’t protect your QB, pressure the opposing QB, and turn the ball over… all three of which we did today.
actually i thought the linr did a good job protecting smith he just couldn’t feel the pressure.
by srill waiting on Nov 8, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
they didn't.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
You thought that was a good performance by the line?
You’ve been watching the niners too much… you’ve forgotten what a good o-line actually looks like.
Remember Dallas in the early 90’s?
alternately
watch the DAL-PHI game tonight.
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I'll be rooting for Phily
because I absolutely despise Dallas… but not quite as much as I hate Favre.
me too.
same reasons. Though Dal and Favre are about equal levels of hate for me
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Yeah well...
It’s close but the problem’s Dallas is having this year softens my hatred for them… not much but my disgust with Favre is still white, hot, and burning.
Yeah have the same feeling. I can’t stand Favre
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hahah I just change the channel lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
OK, I'm done blaming coaches.
This team just sucks!! I am so sick of this garbage football, they play down to everyone else every week and just do what it takes to lose. This year has turned out to be no different than any other. It doesn’t matter who is coaching with these players.
Not in watching today
Houston should’ve had OT vs Indy. We could’ve beaten Houston and should’ve beaten Indy. We’re up there with Houston except they’re making those one or two key plays that we aren’t.; actually we’re a lot like where they were last season, just good enough to get beat. They’ve grown up which hopefully we will next season. We’re a Dwight Freeny and OL away from Indy’s level which with a great draft could put us there in two seasons.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Jeebus...
Are you trying to convince us the HOU and IND games were something you only saw that no one else did?
Just how much syrup do you drown your pancakes with?
Well, we're waiting....
What part of we gave the colts a fight don’t you understand?
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
The part where..
The Colts sat on a 4 point lead the 49ers couldn’t do anything about? That part?
Well, we're waiting....
agrred. sick of watching em really. it’s not funny anymore. being a doorstep of the league is really depressing the hell out of me.
by srill waiting on Nov 8, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm done...
Seriously.
This is the last game I intend to watch this year. I live in LA and I just cancelled by NFL network subscription because I’ve no interest in watching this team suck for another two months.
Eh
There is some talent on this team. Patrick Willis and Vernon Davis are legit stars and Michael Crabtree will be a star. There are some good players on defense that are contributing right now!
There are some positions that are holding back the team. Despite good coaching, they are not producing and may be incapable of producing. Hope that the staff has the balls to ditch those players sooner than later.
No question
This team has talent but it has HUGE gaping holes in the only place on a football team you can’t afford to have them… the O and D lines. Ours suck and until we fix that… nothing else matters.
Our D-line is really good
You don’t have the number 2 run defense in a 3-4 unless your D-line is doing their job.
I won’t argue about the O-line
Carolina lost
those two first rounders are like a cool river on a dry trip.
I hope you keep that subscription
I’ve lived in LA, and watching the 49ers was a bit of home.
I didn't say they weren't...
I said that a good team needs BOTH. We don’t have both… part of both is the same as nothing.
That’s the truth. You can’t win if you don’t have both of those things and close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Yeah, you're right... I did say that.
Allow me to correct myself… you need BOTH.
We have one.
One doesn’t matter.
reply button
Please use the reply button. It makes the conversations much easier to follow.
by David Fucillo on Nov 8, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
the 1st int was pass intented for Crabtree
The last two picks Morgan was the intended Receiver.
This is a game Shaun Hill could have easily won
How many home games did Shaun Hill win in a row before the Atlanta blow out? 7 or 8, this was a game against a mediocre team(as are the 9ers) that was very winnable and there is no reason to think Shaun Hill doesn’t win it.
Again, the 49ers are going to sink with Smith, because managment wants to someone save their reputation that Alex Smith won’t be considered one of the worst overall 1st picks in draft history.
Their is no way Smith will win against Chicago it’s going to be a blowout.
le sigh.
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I'm pickin' on you
This is a game Shaun Hill could have easily won
“Sigh” and yawn all you guys want, but I’m willing to agree with Jamesd123. We can all agree that he doesn’t have the talent needed to win every game, as we saw against Atlanta and Houston, but c’mon! Hill would not have given the game up the way Smith did…
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 8, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
But would there have been as many run lanes open with Hill at QB?
Would we have driven for 27 points? Many of Hill’s scores came after we forced turnovers. For the second straight week we forced none. I don’t think Hill wins today without help from the defense.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
That's hilarious...
Two of Frank’s 3 biggest runs came with Hill under center, and against a Seattle team who literally stacked 8-9 people in the box consistently. But to answer your question, those same lanes (or lack of lanes) would have been there regardless of who the quarterback was. I think fans should acknowledge the obvious here, and that is, Smith’s presence in the game has done absolutely nothing to open up lanes for Gore. The run game is still struggling not because of who the qb is, but because of the horrible o-line play.
Interesting points that you make, but I stand by what I say, and that is, Hill would not… and I repeat… would not! have given away the game like that. All those turnovers gave the other team great field position. And what do we know in football as fact? Teams who have great field position usually score. We can say the D didn’t step up in this game. But we also can’t ignore the fact that Smith didn’t help them out either.
thanks for the response.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Nov 14, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Sing
You know whats funny…? Singletary always knows how to run his mouth! When in the hell is he going SHOW ME, DON’T TELL ME!!!! Im sure he is going to praise is team and say another moral victory and blah blah blah…. well Im tried of his mouth and promises we have the playmakers; LET THEM PLAY!!
an argument could be made for Jason Hill
other than that, I don’t have the foggiest.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I meant...
They are all playing but start taking a risk…. Well I would take Bruce out and start Crab, Morgan or Hill. We have the weapons to play deep, I say lets open it up and do it. Vern and Gore can play the short game (e.g. flanks and middle) and let the kick ass recievers do their thing. I mean Smith does has the arm to do so.
Best in the West, and Bob's your uncle.
Niners just went to the Land of Crap-outs Down Under the NFL again. I’ll be one who honestly thought this team was ready for a real run in the playoffs, and the Cards were a 1 hit wonder to not take this divison again. Now its beginning to look like a breakout of the Superbowl Losers Syndrome as AZ pulls away and SF stews away in losing once again. In hindsight, I expected too much of a team that is mostly young, inexperienced, and possesses old talent that doesn’t gel all that much with the team…and as much as I like Sing, he’s definitely a rookie coach.
I’ll hope for a .500 this year, just to shake off the losing record syndrome, and leave it up to the Cards on if they feel like crapping out near the end. But I just don’t have the same expectations anymore for this team – its too much fallout everytime.
i concur
i can say after this game i don’t have any expectations whatsoever for this team. my faith in sing is starting to waiver, also. i can’t believe i just typed that.
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
I was traveling and missed the game -
So I can’t comment on it, but I gotta say I’m shocked to see how many here have tossed Smith back on the trash heap after one game. Did he suck that badly? I haven’t been a huge supporter of either Hill or Smith, was just hoping won of them would do well enough to keep us in games and allow the ‘Niners to draft an O-Lineman next year… but damn, he must’ve been horrendous. Is it possible it was a one game regression, or did you guys really see something indicative of a more permanent problem?
He was pressured constantly and threw 3 Ints and had a fumble. 1 was CLEARLY pass interference, the other was a great diving interception that was partly on Smith because he was looking right at the guy (it was his first read) and he threw to him when he realized he was gonna get sacked about .5 seconds later by a guy that was getting double teamed. The 1st was thrown into coverage and a good play was made on it. Another time Alex was flushed out of the pocket and trying to make a play and his hand hit the defenders helmet and knocked the ball loose.
The LOLine play was HORRENDOUS. Smith just didn’t make them look good today.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
No he didn't
he had 250 yards passing and 2 TDs with 3 INTS (two of which are probably debatable as to where the fault is) and one fumble.
286 yards, actually.
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with like a 65% comp. % too.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I think that Alex actually had a pretty good day if you look at the stat line
The turnovers killed us big time but that’s something that you can work on. I don’t think Shaun Hill ever had a 250 yard passing game in his life.
Lol @
All the people who said we were definitely going to the playoffs after the 3-1 start.
I always knew this team had the fail in them.
Why do San Francisco teams insist on having terrible offenses? Frank Gore and Pablo Sandoval can't do it all.
not make the playoffs but at least have a wining record
I didn’t think we would be making the playoffs even with a 3-1 start. However I was hoping for a wining season which seems to be out of reach now. Smith showed us his true colors once again, nothing has changed. He is average at best. Obviously the Oline is horrible, but he had way too many mistakes that should have not been made.
What
Like the perfect pass where Morgan got mauled or didn’t attack the ball with his hands? He made a couple mistakes. Maybe you should look at Aaron Rogers stat line today.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Nov 8, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
His turnovers
Smith was responsible for at least 2 of the touchdowns that the titans scored. Also why should I care about Aaron Rogers. I’m looking at our players and their inconsistency I do not really care how horrible other teams are doing.
Didn’t he also have the same stats as Smith? LOL.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Either way I don't feel bad
I always felt we were 1 more good draft away from a return to contending for more than our division. Now we’ve got 1 hell of a draft coming up lets fix this scheissen O line we have and get some secondary help via free agency and then we’ll see where we are at.
Gimme 1 round!
For those blaming Smith
Doesn’t the performance of the defense deserve some blame? Yes, 24 points were scored after turnovers. But last week the D held Indy to 3 after a Smith INT and zero after Crabtree’s fumble. Today they kept giving up TDs instead of FGs. A reminder that teams win and lose together.
Of the ten points not following a turnover, the biggest 7 was when we had the lead 20-17. Smith had just led us on a 15 play drive for nearly ten minutes. Our D was rested. If they get a stop, Smith comes back out with less than ten minutes to go and can run Gore and/or PA and go up the field for the clinching score. Isn’t that how we were built to win: lead in the 4th, wear down the opponent and play defense? Instead the D failed, gave up the lead and put Smith back out there in an obvious passing situation. That’s not where our offense needs to be, especially with the injuries to the O-line.
Smith is responsible for his turnovers but the D had a chance to win the game and did not do its job.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Well 7 of those 24 points came from an INT returned for a TD. Another TD came when the Titans went for it on 4th down at the goal line (if it weren’t goal line that play isn’t called). Also, the turnovers left the defense on a very short field. Wasn’t as if the 49ers turned the ball over in Titan territory.
But the final 10 never happen if
The D does their job when we’re up 20-17. That was their time to get a stop. We had the lead and momentum. And then gave up an 81-yard TD drive to an average offense. That’s completely on the defense. The final two INTs don’t happen because the game is called and defended by Tennessee differently if we make a stop. The D has to be blamed for their share of the loss.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I love our defense
But I do expect them to give up the occasional drive. If you take away all the cheap points they had an effective day. The Titans only produced 10 points when having to do it on their own. I didn’t blame the offense last week when the punt return game had them pinned at the 10 yard line the entire game. I’m just trying to be fair and considerate with evaluations.
thanks...
for mentioning the largely unmentioned contribution of the defense to this loss. flat-out, they sucked. no pressure at all on a mental-collapse-waiting-to-happen QB, parys haralson sideline epic fail on CJ’s 4th-down 4th-quarter TD run, dre bly watching justin gage’s catch like a spectator rather than making any attempt at playing the ball or dislodging it with a hit, mark roman with his weekly fail on the scaife catch when he goes after young (event though lawson is already closing in) rather than staying with his man, etc., etc.
also thanks for the reminder that teams win and lose together. not sure if anyone has noticed this, but…the defense couldn’t hold the MIN lead, the defense had a blown coverage TD, a missed tackle TD from their multi-billion-dollar CB, and fumbled away momentum in the ATL game, the defense couldn’t stop HOU either in the first half or after smith/vd got them back within 7, the defense couldn’t hold the IND lead, and the defense couldn’t hold the TEN lead.
granted, the offense and special teams have contributed to each of these losses (a major contributor in a couple), but when you bill yourself as a defense-first team, behind a defensive-minded head coach, with the best MLB in the NFL, and playing a brand of offense that basically says, “don’t give the game away because our defense will win it for us,” it kind of makes you wonder whether that what they’re selling us is a bill of goods. i mean, everyone has known that the offense isn’t that good, and that the special teams is garbage, but we could always hang our hats on the defense, right? they held ARI’s offense in check really well, right? they held IND’s offense in check really well, right? they knocked out matt hasselbeck, right? they destroyed that rams juggernaut, right? well, guess what…when the spit hits the fan, and the game/season has been on the line, the defense hasn’t lived up to its billing in all 5 of their losses. if that kind of defense is our friend, then who needs enemies?
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 8, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Our pass defense sucks
Our run defense is great. We were 2nd in the league on run defense. 26th in the league in passing. If you want to beat us, pass against us.
Well..
I think the defense can only do well as it’s offense. If you have a problem on 3rd down on offense, and you’re still in the game, your defense is really bailing you out. If IND can sit on a 4 point lead due to the 49ers not even being able to get into FG range the second half, that’s not on the defense. The offense has been a mess. They are still making changes within it. They just had a QB change. They have Crabtree starting while missing all camp, and then some. Bruce is old. Gore was hurt. Coffee is, well, Coffee. The O-line sucks ass. They are giving up around 2-3 sacks a game. The return game on ST’s is a mess. Singletary screwed that up. You should know as well as I do, even though I don’t use stats the way you do, that the defense is way overrated, yet they are playing well above the other 2 phases of the game. Without the defense this is a 2 win team. Heck, without the defense, the Rams could have well done scored in the first half.
The offense is the problem here. If the offense can be as consistent as the defense, then they may have a shot.
Well, we're waiting....
Too add...
Remember, the offense is going from a QB who would checkdown and have the opposing defense stack 9 guys in the box, to a QB that can roll out and still hit a WR over 15 yards. It doesn’t matter if Smith has to throw, because he can. It’s worse when you can’t throw the ball. The 49ers aren’t a playoff team. But you don’t stop trying to make plays. Smith tried and made plays down field. The offense moved forward. There will be mistakes. But they can do it. That will help the defense more, and create more space for Gore.
Turnovers were the story of this game. There is nothing the defense can do about that.
Well, we're waiting....
yeah...
the defense isn’t the biggest problem.
i just think that the reputation of the defense as this stout unit that we can rely on to win games is undeserved. the offense needs to keep scoring, and not just sit on leads, or go back to sucking once they’ve turned a blowout into a close game. however, it just seems that, week after week, the defense either gets shredded (vs. ATL, 1st half @ HOU) or gives up a key scoring drive at the worst possible time (@ MIN, 2nd half @ HOU, vs. IND, vs. TEN). great defenses don’t do that, so i think we just need to stop considering the 49ers’ defense as a “great” defense, and realize that 5 losses have been team losses, not just because of shaun hill, or alex smith, or the OL, or the human roster exemption, etc. it’s an underdiscussed point that spurredon raised with which i wholly agree.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 9, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
agree
the D is good, but it’s not 2000 Ravens good, not even close.
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Yep. A reminder that it is a team game
And losing teams lose for a variety of reasons, just as winning teams win for a variety of reasons. It’s never the same fro game to game except the end result. There is something to “finding a way” that’s really more about having the maturity to to not get flustered, the discipline to just do your job and the talent to have that one play maker on either side of the ball make a key play.
Looking at VY’s career stats and comparing them to Smith’s, they’re identical except for wins. That Young has continually been behind better O-lines and supported by a better defense reminds of the importance of team play and one unit picking up the other.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Bottom line is we need to improve the Oline,
and consider other priorities in the draft or free-agency,
BEFORE we use another high draft pick on a quarterback.
That is sort of a fundamental rule of rebuilding, which is where we are realistically.
I agree, they really need to get a RT and a G, but also, are the DBs straight? Pretty much dude you’re right, the niners need an O-line that can be physical, and that’s what they were supposed to be, but i just don’t see it, and didn’t see it today, but hey, it was a line with Sims, Baas, Heitmann, Rachal, and Snyder, the key to an O-line, is consistency, and that group hasn’t played together much AT ALL
A good Oline can protect when they need to
Penetration by the defense happens to everyone, but to me it seems the opposing defenses can penetrate when they chose to. It is not a good situation. Blitzes are not picked up, the pocket collapses much too much…
im tired
its official. the 9ers are still a joke……..
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
SADDDDD TEAM
THE NINERS COACHING STAFF SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKK!
I WANT 2 C THEM IN THE PLAYOFFS N THE SUPERBOWL CAN IT HAPPEN???? I’M STILL A FAN BUT THEY R GETTING 2 B VERY TIRING JUST WATCHING THEM EVERY WEEK LOSE. THEY COME FROM A LEGACY OF CHAMPIONS N 5X SUPERBOWLS DAMMIT!!!!!
I was worried that Alex Smith actually turned it around
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
What do you think of Vernon Davis now?
Haven’t heard you comment much (tired of eating crow)
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
I was looking at your sig!!
Wait a minute, you probably participate in L.A.I.R.E.
"Optimist Prime"
"Child Please" -Ochocinco
He's not a lost cause yet
Just a bad game, not completely awful.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 9, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
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