49ers Future.
by STELF BOMBZ on Nov 8, 2009 10:10 PM PST
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Ok folks in 49er land, I am just as discouraged as you, maybe more so. However my calm lies within the fact that this is a team that is geared towards becoming a future dynasty. If the organization does not panic, and start changing personnel in the offseason as history has indicated we may, our continuity will be strong for the first time since Steve Mariucci. Although there are some growing pains to this concept, I am exited about the possibilites of my team, the 49ers having a consistant structure for a few years. Who knows maybe guys like Alex Smith, Jason Hill, and company can actually learn the playbook like the back of their hand, and begin to execute.
I rest assured that the pieces are in place for us to make a serious run at the Super Bowl by 2010. I am patient, knowing that this is just a part of the building process. Ups, and downs, then the next thing you know, BANG,....Domination of our division, then our conference, and the league.
The biggest question in the air( no pun intended ) is= Is Alex Smith our franchise quarterback. At this point we don't have a choice outside of dedicating the remainder of the regular season on finding that out. I will be ok with either revelation. If he's not the franchise, find somebody who will be. If he is, good we can build around that, putting our energy into the other phases of the roster such as O-Line, Safety, CB, whatever.
I know football well. I know if we keep these guys in this system for a few years with minimal fluxuation, we will become a championship team like INDY,NE,PIT,..They thrive because the players become one with the system.
In saying that, I would conclude by saying Jimmy Raye appears to be solid in my opinion. Some things must be chalked up to the players learning the system. The O-line not being on the same page, recievers not knowing eachothers routes as well as their own. I believe Alex Smith has all the physical attributes to be great. The only way we will find out who he truly is, is by keeping the team in tact, internally, and externally. We don't look bad at all.
....Peace...Stelf Bombz
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Thank you!!! People are actually not knee jerk ranting and actually anaylzing the situation!! Good post.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 8, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
The right side of the page is definitely venturing into Webzone territory.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 8, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No Titan’s fans have written a fan post yet making an excuse as to why their team won this week. We didn’t put in a backup QB or have our coach break NFL rules. Maybe our cheating has to do with Jason Hill this week?
by bignerd on Nov 8, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All of today's injuries...
were faked. Gore’s eye was due to he finding a bee around the Gatorade cart, and he stung himself with it.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Nov 8, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You may believe that Alex Smith has all the physical attributes to be great
but in five years he still is way too slow making decisions. He is late, late, late with his passes and will NEVER be a top QB in the NFL. I was happy to see Alex look good when he first returned, but it is obvious to me that he just doesn’t have the natural instincts to be a winner. Jimmy Raye opened it up for him and he flopped.
It is inevitable that Nate Davis will compete with Alex next season and win the starting job. I say don’t wait. Move him up to #2 and start getting him in the game much like Walsh did with Montana the season before he became the starter and led us to the Super Bowl.
Davis HAS the natural instincts, the poise, confidence, and a ROCKET ARM. Why wait?
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Nov 9, 2009 5:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
HE TOTALLY DOES!!!!
That’s why he was a #1 pick.
Wait. Davis was picked in the 5th round?
Oh.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Nov 9, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where they were drafted doesn't always mean they can or can't play.
JaMarcus Russell was a #1. Charles Haley was a 6th rounder. T.O. was a 3rd. Tom Brady, etc., etc. Alex Smith was a #1. He’s shown very little so far. I just don’t think there’s any point in rushing Davis in. He’ll spend way too much time running for his life right now. He’ll get gunshy, and it will then take a long time to correct, if it ever does get corrected. The 49ers already did that to Smith. Smith may have turned out not to be very good anyway, but it couldn’t have helped. Insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different outcome, as they say.
by asleepinSF on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good Albert Einstein quote at the end.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 11, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL hahahahah. Davis is unproven
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 9, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
..what round was Joe Montana drafted in? What round was Johnny Unitas drafted in?
I’m not ready to give Nate his bust at Canton, but saying he was a fifth-round pick means he has no chance to ever be a great quarterback is spectacular stupidity from a so-called Niner fan. You don’t know your history.
by Bitter Fan on Nov 12, 2009 4:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Player evaluation
has progressed quite a bit even in the last 10 years.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Nov 14, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No it hasn't
I cannot believe you floated that out here.
by bignerd on Nov 15, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Yes it has, if for no other reason than because it’s much easier to get all the tape and information about every player.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 19, 2009 3:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s existed for 30 years. Don’t confuse your access to that information to the professionals access to the information.
The only new development in the decade has been advanced stats which the Pats started looking at with Belichick. Yet, you don’t read about too many stat indicators evaluating college players turning pro.
by bignerd on Nov 19, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s existed for 30 years. Don’t confuse your access to that information to the professionals access to the information.
I don’t really agree with that. If you listen to stories personnel guys tell (the few times we get to hear them) it soudns like they had a lot less information than we do now.
Stats is another argument, but I figured you wouldn’t want to consider that. They are being used in certain front offices, but it’s not a mainstream thing at this point.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 19, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
once we lose three more games
it’s time for Nate.
by Tre9er on Nov 9, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dear god do you honestly need to flood every freakin post with this Davis crap
we get it dude you have a man crush on the guy. WE. GET. IT
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no I totally get it and so does everyone else
you think Smith sucks, you want Nate Davis to be the starter.
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Nov 9, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you saw all this natural instinct and poise in the preseason game by Date Navis( a little humor if you know about Nate Davis).against the 2nd n 3rd team defense..let’s not wait start em start em…riiiiiight.get off the jock already. Leave the rest of this season to smith and if it don’t work we take if from there. We have no o line to be putting a rookie qb in right now anyways.
“hope for the best, plan for the worst”
by Living49rLegend on Nov 9, 2009 11:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for using your cabeza. :)
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It won’t help Nate to put him in now and espect him to make something happen. We could put him in for a few snaps if the Niners are blowing someone away at the end of the season, but other than that, he needs to develop. If Smith can get us into the playoffs this year, great. If not, then we look to next year.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"expect"
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Nov 10, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Leave the rest of this season to Smith Singletary, Frank Gore, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, Justin Smith, Dashon Goldson, Aubrayo Franklin and yes, even Michael Crabtree and pray that Smith doesn’t throw too many interceptions to counter all of the above.
Fixed.
"We’ll see them again in the playoffs." - Mike Singletary, right after the Week 3 Minnesota game
by Persiflage on Nov 14, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Shaun Hill ? Did everyone forget that he won all those games with no offensive line ?
Shaun Hill gets no respect. He broke the NFL’s all time completion record for a starting QB. He won all of his home games, and hardly threw any interceptions, yet everyone still says Alex Smith is the man. Why did we let Rossum go, why did we let Kory Sheets go when Glen Coffee is terrible.
by KORY SHEETS WAS OUR FUTURE on Nov 9, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its more of finding out whether he can be the guy. Hill is good but he is limited to due his arm.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm.
Shaun Hill is a top 5 QB…..@ QB!!!! Okay @ irst I thought it was on the OLINE, but after I noticed teams game planning for his Noodle arm…I mean taking out all the short passes while blitzing like he CANNOT throw a football 40 yards, unless it floats like a duck punt.
but letting go of Rossum before Spurlock???!?!?!?!?!??!!
But we did not let go of Kory Sheets, the Dolphins swooped him from our practice squad like the Falcons took Harvey Dahl from our practice squad last year…
Do you think the Ravens knew what they had in James Harrison before the Steelers plucked him from their PS?
by MAN99LAW on Nov 10, 2009 1:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Will you please stop saying he broke the NFL’s all-time completion record for a starting QB?
Isn’t actually just that he set the completion percentage record in his first game as a starter?
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know why we let Sheets go?
Because Singletary didn’t want him on the team.
As for Hill, he never won any games. The Niners won while he was the QB, but it wasn’t really because of him.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 19, 2009 3:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
doesn’t look like he hesitated on making this throw…and many more since he’s started. His happy feet are gone and he looks like he’s coming in to his own
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d8140f219/Alex-Smith-Highlight-WK-09-vs-Titans-2009
by Drew K on Nov 11, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a nice pass. It looks like he only has problems with crossing routes, routes where the receiver has to make a cut
What Smith is doing way too often right now is waiting until the receiver makes finishes the route rather than throwing to the spot the receiver will be.
Much of that is the confidence that Smith has with each receiver.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 11, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right…chemistry is definitely something that is developed over time. Staying behind with Crabtree during bye week was a very good decision for Smith to make. That is the one thing that I do really like about Smith is his dedication to the game. The countless hours spent studying film among other things. If he keeps it up and the team can get a couple peices and continuity on the Oline he’ll be alright. I actually have thought that the Oline has done okay since Smith took over for Hill. And I have been moderately surprised at how well Sims has done filling in for Staley.
by Drew K on Nov 11, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in regards to the main post
I agree, I am sure most of us had high hopes for this season..we finished pretty strong the end of last season..and started off good this season. although I hate when we lose I feel confident in the direction our team as a WHOLE is going. During next years draft I’m sure we will fill in the gaps that are needed (o-line being primary)…no matter wht qb we have he can’t do anything if the oline doesn’t help him out.
by Living49rLegend on Nov 9, 2009 12:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I feel confident in the direction our team as a WHOLE is going
have to agree
Furthermore, (this is completely based on a gut-feeling) it seems like the morale of the team after four losses hasn’t dropped significantly enough to drag the rest of the season down, unlike past years.
Not sure if the optimistic feeling I have about the Niners this season is sensed by other fans, but this year is the first time in a while I’ve had it about this team. It’s as if the patience of fans will pay dividends.
by MondayMorningMontana on Nov 11, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Against the NFC West: 3-0
Against the rest of the league: 0-5
Pretty sad. I have hope for the future, but I’m getting tired of these “hot” starts. We need some continuity. We cannot continually rebuild the offense.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 9, 2009 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate Davis definitely need to be hitting the film room hard right now
He’ll have his shot at the Helm in 2010…If it turns out that we’re like 4-9 by Dec., I’d say to hell with it, give Nate Davis some time to get adjusted to the big league. That is worst case scenario though. This is our best chance to see what Smith can do. I really wanna see do we chuck him, or retain his services for the future, no more speculation . On top of him being the best QB on our roster today, I wanna see him in there for the remainder of the season just to evaluate him . He is finally healthy. He finally has all the weopons. And a solid offensive system. There are no more excuses now. Let’s see what the man has. When he was under Norv Turner he looked to have a lot of potential. I know that was no fluke. Since then he, and franchise running back Frank Gore have been hurt.
On top having subpar RB’s such as Maurice Hicks, Michael Robinson, and company, Vernon Davis, and Delanie Walker have been virtually invisible. Now it seems that our O-Line is the delima. Let’s give the guy a chance. He showed a lot of improvement. Just for the record, 3 of his 5 interceptions came after the recievers hand touched the pigskin..I think he’s 4td-4int, right now…take three away, and he’s 4-1 td int. ratio
by STELF BOMBZ on Nov 9, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Those ints that were tipped...
were in all cases but one that I saw, Smith’s fault. The balls were not where they needed to be, when they needed to be. The receivers were trying to make a play on something Randy Moss might conceivably have snagged, but nobody else would have.
by asleepinSF on Nov 9, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows?
There was good news in yesterday’s loss. Rachal played well, for example. Hill looked like he belonged on an NFL field, which was a nice change.
Smith’s INT were disappointing, and obviously he can’t keep doing that. But one was a stare-down mistake (which is absolutely correctable) and the other two were tips (and therefore somewhat flukey, even if he’s not entirely blame-free, either).
But Smith’s INT% this year is higher than it’s been since his rookie year. That’s not likely to continue, since all other aspects of his game have improved. And it’s worth noting that in Drew Brees’ second and third years – his YPA was below 6.5.
The time to evaluate Smith will be after the season is over.
by Ronaldinho on Nov 9, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ronaldinho, very well put.
Alex Smith is in a tough situation with a very disorganized and inconsistent Oline and some talented but inexperiences receivers (Hill and Crabtree). As someone said above, we would not want to subject a rookie QB to this chaos.
Let’s all let the rebuilding continue and cut Alex Smith, Raye (and Sing) some slack.
by zacksf on Nov 9, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of just cutting Smith
some slack, just cut him.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Nov 10, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, lets cut Smith and get a 'franchise' QB like Cutler
Oh, wait a minute. Cutler’s stats this year are almost exactly the same as Smith’s even after this horrible game: both completing 64% at 7yds per with an 84 rating and 14/12 and a 6/5 TD/INT rating. Cutler is in his fourth year as a starter (13 more games than Smith) and had significantly better receivers/o-line in Denver than Smith ever had and still has a losing record. But he looks great while doing it. Nobody ever thinks of benching him (forget cutting him).
Smith may or may not be a good quarterback, but after 2.5 games he has middle of the pack stats (he and Cutler would be tied for 18th of 32) and almost had wins against Indy and Houston. Hardy inspiring, but hardly damning either…let him play a bit before getting so excitable.
by NH49er on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice well said lol
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 10, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The time to evaluate Smith will be after the season is over
I really hope this is the case. It would imply not only that Singletary and the organization decided to stick with the guy that gives us the most upside (IMHO), but also that Smith has played well enough to keep the job.
My worst nightmare at this point is if we’re looking at using one of our 1st rounders on a QB, or god forbid trading them both to move up to get one.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Nov 12, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm one from another blog who still believes!
and it is really good to see level headed thoughts here.
I still hold hope for a Niners/Vikings playoff game.
It’s been a strange season all over the place, yes finish with Smith at QB it is his acid test! The season is not yet lost!
Can Smith elevate his game at QB?
Can the WR’s suddenly gel and compliment VD?
Can Gore stay healthy and take the running game to the next level?
Can the OL dig a little deeper and get the action on the field to slow down in theyre minds?
These are things that could actually happen and get the Niners in(God only knows the Packers and Bears are doing theyre part to keep the door open for the Niners)
Keep the positives working and keep the faith!……I am!
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Nov 9, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks look at that even a viking fan has more hope for us than some of you guys thats quite sad LOL.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall Simmons
do you guys know anything about Kendall Simmons?
by zacksf on Nov 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kendall Simmons
http://www.nfl.com/search/?query=Kendall+Simmons
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Nov 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For anyone who might give a s***
My name is Kendall also
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Nov 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is there a trade in the works?
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Nov 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he is an offensive lineman (guard I beleive).
by zacksf on Nov 9, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he get cut?
i don’t understand why this is bought up.
by pwarren85 on Nov 9, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it either
He signed a 3 year deal with the Pats in September, and I can’t find anything that says he’s going to be released soon.
by smileyman on Nov 9, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall Simmons G released by NE November 6th
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3558
Age 30, 8 yrs in the league has been with PITT and NE
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 15, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stick with Smith the rest of the season
If he sucks, then the 49ers will know what they have to do come FA and Draft time.
"Bar None!" - William Floyd
by maveric_87 on Nov 9, 2009 4:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hey zacksf
are you filling out a probowl thing or is this maybe a FA pickup in fantasy?
A bird in the hand is worth about 10.99 at KFC and makes me lick my chops
Yummy!!!!!
by kdog69 on Nov 9, 2009 6:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dynasty never ends,
The Niners are better, hurray! I expected playoffs this year and may be dissapointed but I am happy they seem to be heading in a positive direction. So next year i expect a winning playoff record. GO 49ers!!
J GO
by youngbuckeroo on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
by kinglouie33 on Nov 10, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SHAUN HILL GETS NO RESPECT !!
Looks like there is a 49er fan out there that kinows what is really going on. Everyone says the coaches always know whats best for the team. Well if that is true, then how come know one ever saw how talented Shaun Hill really is,and every team left him on the bench. Physicall skill help a little, but Mental skills are everything in the NFL. Alex Smith had one of the best Offensive lines in college. That is why he did so well. The NFL is much faster, and even with a great Offensive line, amazing defenders will find a way to sack the Quartback eventually. That is why you need someone who is smart more than fast and strong. DID ANYONE KNOW THAT SHAUN HILL BROKE THE ALLTIME COMPLETION RECORD FOR A STARTING QB IN THE NFL ? HE MAKES AMAZING DECISIONS. ALEX SMITH MAKES CONTINIOUS SUPER BAD DECISIONS.
by KORY SHEETS WAS OUR FUTURE on Nov 9, 2009 9:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Come on man
If Alex had as much time as Big Ben does to throw….I’m sure he would be able to make big plays….more so than Shaun Hill…Hill is a good backup and is good for screens and dump offs but if you know its coming, BLITZzzzzzzzz all day, sacks all day, no Ints and a few less then ten yard completions…
3rd and long….I’d Take Alex Smith over the Hill, Shaun any Sunday but ESPECIALLY THIS THURSDAY.
by MAN99LAW on Nov 10, 2009 1:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SHAUN HILL GETS BLITZED!!!
BECAUSE NO TEAM RESPECTS HIS ARM….I honestly think I through every ball he does:\
I do respect his toughness to take a sack, to the chin splattered with ball sweat…haha jk bc he is tough
by MAN99LAW on Nov 10, 2009 1:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the
4 or 5 time u say the same thing Shaun Hill broke a record, Alex Smith sucks, why did we cut rossum? Why did we cut sheets? You sound like a broken record. let’s think of new things shall we?
by 49ersAllTheWay on Nov 10, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Alex Smith is more of a gallonback.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I rest assured that the pieces are in place for us to make a serious run at the Super Bowl by 2010.
Come on man. You do realize that this is year 2009, right?
by Chimneyfish on Nov 10, 2009 2:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually in his defense.
The defense is playing good and we now have some really good receivers and RBs.
In the 2010 draft and FA some extra help in the OL and defense can push this team up a notch or two. That also means that either Smith plays better for the rest of the year or Nate Davis is able to play at a higher level than Smith next year. I like Davis but that is a wait and see and hopefully Smith will make the changes that matter this year.
Simply a couple good piece could make a world of difference.
And since someone above decided to quote Einstein, let me also.
All meaningful and lasting change starts first in your imagination and then works its way out. Imagination is more important than knowledge. — Albert Einstein
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 11, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Future
Alex will be fine in there as long as he stays healthy. Natty Davis will not be the future and should be cut asap. We should have kept Damon Huard as #3 so I wouldn’t have to listen to all this non-sense about the idiot.
Frank Gore has a few more good years and Coffee will be an okay backup. We need to get another RB in the draft next year so we’ll have 3 solid true RB’s. Robinson needs to be repositioned to backup FB or something so we can keep him on special teams. Maybe he can learn to return punts in the offseason.
We should be set at the WR position with what we have. Including VD…I think that Michael Crabtree, Jason Hill, Josh Morgan, and Brandon Jones all are very young and the sky is the limit with all these guys…
Offensive line definitely needs to be upgraded in the offseason as well as the secondary on defense. I would say that these are the two biggest holes and areas of concern for this team moving forward.
Other than that, this team has alot of upside, are very young, and once they figure out how to finish games will be a force to be reckoned with
by Drew K on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That was ugly
Natty Davis will not be the future and should be cut asap. We should have kept Damon Huard as #3 so I wouldn’t have to listen to all this non-sense about the idiot.
Really ugly.
The future ain't what it used to be.
by riderless on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Davis is a bum
I’m going to stay ugly about it too… I can’t stand all these people that are calling for Davis with nothing real to support it. I wish we would have not drafted him… it’s really absurd. I am being as real as real gets when I say we should have kept Huard and drafted someone else at another position.
by Drew K on Nov 10, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a bum?
I’m certainly not advocating starting Davis right now (as my many posts have indicated). However, to say we should cut him because he doesn’t seem to rise to your expected level of intelligence? I’m sorry but your argument rings rather hallow.
by Fooch on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not what I would want
representing this franchise…sorry if that’s “hallow” in your opinion but it’s my opinion and I will not veer from it
by Drew K on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In his last two games at Ball State he was sick and didn't play well, and he lost a bowl game.
From there the learning disability thing came out. He was ranked a lot higher before then and should have actually been looked at in the first 3 rounds.
DrewK, what reasoning do you have to suggest that he is a bum and should be cut?
It would be nice for you to share the evidence that you used to postulate this theory.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 11, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have already posted it in several other posts
If you research it, you’ll find my reasons. I’m not gonna get in to it agian after spending time yesterday providing my opinion and backing it with the evidence.
I’m not giving you the “cold shoulder” answer…I just don’t want to get in to that again if you can understand that
by Drew K on Nov 11, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His 49ers.com video is his evidence
A small Q&A with Nate Davis about Singletary’s playing career statistics. DrewK didn’t pay enough attention to the video to understand why Nate’s answers had some discrepancies.
by bignerd on Nov 11, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a link to that Q&A ?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Nov 11, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything you write is ugly.
You call yourself a Niner fan, yet say their greatness was a myth and you call a future potential star a bum. Drew, you know nothing about being a 49er fan. NOTHING. You should change your name to Wendy Whiner.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Nov 16, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon me
But I think that was totally uncalled for. Wasn’t that issue addressed? And as far as Wendy Whiner isn’t that already addressed as well by a prior post by you? Please can we keep this to at least a reasonable sense of decorum and logic? Name calling and such is for gradeschool. Which I think all of us have denoted are beyond us. If this is going to be a place of silly flames and namecalling then it is worth nothing but over used chest thumping and self-masturbation. Can we please address issues?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Nov 16, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL and DL
Davis is what he is: A low round rookie draft pick. To suggest that we’d be better off with some old retread who’s never amounted to anything is ridiculous.
We need a pass rush and we need to control the line of scrimmage.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
cause we’re getting crushed in the run and not burnt in the pass…
by Drew K on Nov 10, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The "control the line of scrimmage" was more about the LOL
And the DBs are not remotely the only issue in pass defense. We’ve gotten a pass rush occasionally, but otherwise opposing QBs have been able to sit there, knit a sweater, take a nap, and then look around for somebody to throw to. I don’t care if you’ve got Bailey and Revis back there, they’re not gonna look so good if they’ve got to defend for 5-7 seconds every play.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that really your perception of whats going on?
Cause I am seeing alot of quick passes and DB’s getting dusted. See Atlanta game. See Minnesota game. See colts game. Alot of short passes and Defensive backs whiffing on tackles
by Drew K on Nov 11, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Against Minny
Favre had a mediocre day. The DBs definitely dropped some INTs. We got some pressure.
Against ATL, Ryan had all day on every play. Take a look at his highlights. We got zero pressure.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 11, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t see a majority of the 3 down lineman in a 3-4 defense getting a ton of pressure anyway when you’re only rushing 3. In fact, it mainly falls on the linebackers if there is no rush. McDonald, Sopoaga, Franklin, and Smith have done a very very good job at those 3 down positions. It either falls on the schemes or the lack of people being brought on any given play.
If you take Cody for instance (or whoever in your opinion is the best DL) do you honestly think he is going to make anymore difference than whoever is in there now? A safety can make an immediate impact on skill and technique alone. DL…not as easy.
Anyway, I think that a majority would agree that the secondary is more important at this point in time.
by Drew K on Nov 11, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3rd string
In this case the 49ers are using the 3rd string QB as a way to develop a potential young QB of the future. It might not work, but you seriously would rather have Damon Huard as the 3rd string QB? The man literally has no upside. Even Shaun Hill has more upside than Damon Huard.
by Fooch on Nov 10, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw just as much
if not more upside to Huard in preseason as Davis. Yes Huard is older but at least I wouldn’t have to worry about having…well I will keep it civil…but that guy on this team. Alex Smith is what this team needs to focus on and if its a fail there then draft a true “franchise QB”…if you fail again, keep trying. But to think that a 5th round pick out of Ball State with “issues” will ever be a franchise QB is a bit naive. Montana (3rd round pick- high intellect)…Brady (6th round pick- high intellect)….how does Nate Davis fit there?….sorry just do not see it.
Most of the time I am optimistic…maybe overly in some cases but not here. Not in his case.
by Drew K on Nov 10, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith/Davis
You seem locked into your opinion here. A couple months ago you seemed to think Davis was a much better option than Smith. You keep saying you hated the Davis pick all along, but it sounds me like your problem comes from a couple of bad comments on a player’s “tv show.”
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/9/29/1060797/as-carolina-falls-the-49ers-rise#22069739
by Fooch on Nov 10, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
you’re right…I guess at the time I made that statement I didn’t realize how ridiculously ignorant Nate Davis was. I mean really… 10 Pro Bowls in 6 seasons? Wow…is the only thing I can say without getting more “offensive” than I already have
by Drew K on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You still don’t see Robinson telling the guy off camera to stop giving Nate Davis the answers? He answers 6 to the number of seasons than gets the next two questions right before Robinson catches wind that Davis had started cheating.
by bignerd on Nov 10, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Davis the QB
for the guy who called him ignorant. Pathetic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIYba7hdg&feature=player_embedded
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Nov 10, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I already watched preseason
Besides the extremely depressing music, I am not sure what I was supposed to see there that I haven’t already said. He’s playing against a bunch of guys who are currently serving Happy Meals. Not to mention I didn’t really remember there being so many over-throws and him staring down receivers… so thanks for pointing that out. It almost seems like you were trying to help my point out with that feed. Not sure why that’d even be on a “highlight” video. Typically highlights vids are supposed to highlight only the highlights and not the lowlights. Definitely not starter material. The one game a tthe end there against SD’s scrubs we lost 7-26 and Davis went 13-23 (56%), 115 yards 1 TD and 1 INT…STELLAR!!
I am not exactly sure how that speaks to his mental capacity but you gave it shot at least.
by Drew K on Nov 10, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not a highlight video, I don’t know what that’s in quotes. The description is every pass he threw.
also, you have to remember that we had our scrub reciever corps in there.
and read a scouting report on him, he gets high marks in mental aspects of the game, except for consistency.
we should at least try him out and use this years draft to get the O-line in order so that we can put our new QB in the best position to win and protect our investment.
If you’re right we’ll draft a QB in ’11. This year we need a 1st round o-lineman.
by hellaninersfan on Nov 12, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Josh Morgan is giving him the answers, he’s standing right behind him. He gives him the answers after the first question and Robinson even tells Morgan to stop, so I don’t see how you could think that was Davis being stupid.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 19, 2009 3:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Davis.
The truth of the matter, for all the people out here speaking slanderously against Nate Davis, is if the media never informed us of his learning disabilities we would have had viewed him for his performance. Instead of looking at his positive game play all I hear is what he cannot do. I would bet $100 dollars(no more) that Nate Davis would have done way better than Shawn Hill had we gave him the nod week one. Regardless of what you people say his actions(N.Davis) speak for themselves. They could have told me he was blind, I would have said, he is one hell of a QB…Go to the video tape, and evaluate his game play as if you never heard of his so called learning disability. He looked great for a rookie who just stepped in with second, and third string offense, and defense, andshowed a lot of Poise, Precision, and Power. www.youtube.com 49ers Nate Davis highlights.
by STELF BOMBZ on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2006-2007
Huard didn’t have great numbers but good enough to be a 3rd string QB. In ‘06 as a backup he threw 11 D passes and only 1 pick, and 7.7 per attempt… I’d say thats upside enough for a backup (3rd string none the less). Not to mention the actual NFL experience.
by Drew K on Nov 10, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was all for Huard too but Nate Davis killed him in preseason. They team didn’t Huard back on the field after Davis performed and cut him before the preseason ended.
by bignerd on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, c'mon Bignerd, you're looking at performance on the football field!
According to Drew, performance in press conferences is much more important!
by Ronaldinho on Nov 10, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you drinking huard's kook aid?
Huard’s average at best and he’s old. Davis is still a rookie and showed some good signs in pre-season he has a better chance to be something in the NFL then a washed up qb like huard which was never really great just average.
by 49ersAllTheWay on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we seriously ranting about Nate Davis again? He’s the backup thats it. Nothing more nothing less. We have to see if Smith can do the job or not.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 10, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Before I posted this I was thinking why am I even talking about third stringers??? Lol but yea speaking of Alex Smith he has showed me he is a little better then before but still makes bone headed mistakes like eye balling his recievers so long that the defense us like "omg are you serious? he is sooo gonna pass to this guy, time for a pick 6! He better get a little better turning the ball over like alot less or we won’t do nothing this year or ever with smith. My patience ran out a while back for smith like 2 years ago lol but I keep giving him chances thinking hmm maybe just maybe he will turn it around so far he has impressed me very little these next few games should tell the 49ers if he will ever be the 49ers future qb.
by 49ersAllTheWay on Nov 11, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 49ers are the
SIXTH OLDEST team in the NFL. You bought into Singletarys’ “young 49ers” baloney.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Nov 16, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Davis
freshman year ‘06 – 18 TDs, 8 Int, 1,975 passing yards, 146.65 passer rating
sophomore year ‘07 – 30 TDs, 6 Int, 3,667 passing yards, 139.13 passer rating, 235 rushing yards, 5 rushing TDs
junior year ‘08 – 26 TDs, 7 Int, 3,445 passing yards, 164.04 passer rating, 312 rushing yards, 5 rushing TDs
The question is when do the Niners start Davis over Smith, if at all?
If Smith throws more than 6 interceptions in the next 3 games?
If Smith throws more than 8 interceptions in the next 3-4 games?
If we lose 2 of the next 3 games?
If we lose 3 of the next 4 games?
"We’ll see them again in the playoffs." - Mike Singletary, right after the Week 3 Minnesota game
by Persiflage on Nov 14, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I also bet Gary Mialocq's comments will get more backers after every game
Playoff Defense, Pop Warner Offense
Mike now faces a true dilemma. He has #7 sitting on the bench. Nate Davis is a big kid who can run the spread effectively. He makes quicker decisions than Alex Smith, has a stronger and more accurate arm, is more mobile, and plays with poise and confidence, something Alex has not done in five years. His rocket arm is impressive and with receivers like Crabtree, Morgan, Hill and Jones, this talent is being wasted on the bench.
Naysayers and youthful Niner fans who know nothing about winning or consistency, see Alex Smith as a failed project and blame the team for throwing him in the mix too early. Maybe they are right. They post on various forums that Nate should sit not only this season but next, too. They are scared to death to ruin another QB prospect the way they feel that Smith was ruined. Frankly, Scarlet, I don’t give a damn.
"We’ll see them again in the playoffs." - Mike Singletary, right after the Week 3 Minnesota game
by Persiflage on Nov 14, 2009 11:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
NATE "SAVE US" DAVIS
I AM TOTALLY PISSED OFF WHY NATE “SAVE-US” DAVIS IS NOT GETTING A CHANCE RIGHT NOW. LET SMITH GO 1 MORE GAME AND THEN SEE WHAT NATE BRINGS TO THE TABLE. I AM CONFUSED BY THE NOTION THAT YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT SMITH HAS BY LETTING HIM FINISH THE SEASON. WHAT IF HE TURNS OUT A BUST LIKE HE WAS FROM THE START, IT’S NOT ALL HIS FAULT DUE TO POOR TEACHERS FOR FIVE YEARS. SO NEXT YEAR YOU DON’T KNOW IF NATE CAN LEAD THIS TEAM, SO DUE YOU START HIM NEXT YEAR FROM THE GUN AND FIND OUT HE’S NOT THE ANSWER AND MAYBE YOU MISS OUT ON A GOOD QB. WHEN WAS BRADY, BEN, MONTANA DRAFTED, I THINK THEY WERE STILL AROUND AFTER THE FIRST ROUND. I LET THIS SEASON FINISH FINDING OUT WHO IS THE QB OF THE FUTURE SO U DON’T MISS OUT ON MAKING THE RIGHT PICS IN THE DRAFT. IM A WIDOWER WHO WILL PUT UP MY LOVING WIFE’S (GOD REST HER SOUL) INS-POL OF 400K AGAINST ANYBODY THAT IF WE PUT NATE IN THIS YEAR WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS AND BE A TEAM THAT NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY. CUT AND DRY.
BOOK-IT-DANO. HE MUST START THE GAME AFTER THE NINER’S GET A DEF WIN IN CHEESE TOWN.
by BEETLE49715 on Nov 16, 2009 5:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
after a win?
First off, easy on the caps. It took me a while to read through this because caps are not easy to read.
Second, so the 49ers beat Green Bay behind Alex Smith and THEN you put in Nate Davis?
by Fooch on Nov 16, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Ideas BEATLE49715
Ey man, I’m for anything that will lead to us reaching our potential. I feel Nate Davis is good. Is he ready now? Only God knows. With us on the bubble, and Alex Smith managing the game, we might get in on a wildcard. I think we could do good with Nate in there too. But Alex Smith has been taking some baby steps towards refining his throwing arm. Time will tell…I must say, that I did like what Nate has done thus far in Pre-season…Peace…Stelf Bombz
by STELF BOMBZ on Nov 16, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"only God knows", or
maybe the coaching staff has some idea…
by zacksf on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this was posted elsewhere
and the response was,… awe never mind. You guys have no clue.
by zacksf on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
49ER SALVATRUCHA
WHO IS THIS CLUELESS GUY, THAT MAYBE SHOULD SWITCH TO ANOTHER TEAM’S FAN. MAYBE THE RAIDER’S. WHY DON’T YOU EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL WHY HE IS JUST A BACK-UP, NOW PERSIFLAGE KNOW’S WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT AND DID HIS RESEARCH ON NATE. NATE WILL BE STARTING THIS YEAR.
by BEETLE49715 on Nov 16, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I speak the truth about Nate Davis homie. Even the coaching staff has said he’s not ready for any real playing time
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 17, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CAPS
I HAVE AN ACCOUNT, WHEN IAM PISSED I USE CAPS.
by BEETLE49715 on Nov 16, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Take a Valium, learn self control,
and knock off the CAPS key. It’s RUDE.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Nov 17, 2009 5:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Surely, you know the reason for objecting to the CAPS is because they are very hard to read. And you must know other ways to express you distress, ONE of which would be a JUDICIOUS use of CAPS.
by CorneliusJ on Nov 19, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
49ER LOU
Hey 49er Lou, it’s not a man crush, it’s the position that needs the attention each week. if I was anybody on the defense after the Bears game i would have went to Raye and say what more do u want us to do. Fix it or suit up.
by BEETLE49715 on Nov 16, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nothin wrong with a little man crush
I happen to have a huge one on Patrick Willis
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Nov 16, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Sing is playing favorites,
do you?
I believe Coach Sing knows when a QB is ready and when to start him.
I really doubt that you could have a good sense of that from the “outside”. I have nothing against Davis; his scouting reports indicate a lot of raw talent and a big upside, mentally and physically tough and talented. They also indicate considerable uncertainty, which is probably why he dropped to the 5th round, and that he needs time to develop.
With these posts you are not going to convince anyone. Trust your coach.
by zacksf on Nov 16, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
DREW K
Drew, I’m not saying he is the next Montana but he is the next QB that we have left and he has mucho ups, with strong arm, scambling ability, quick decision maker just to name a few. I hope Smith get’s it done, but we got to know if Nate is a keeper if Mike hasen’t already made that call, but remember what he say’s each week, I’m going with the guy that gives us the best chance to win and I think that guy is Nate. CUT AND DRY, BOOK-IT-DANO
by BEETLE49715 on Nov 16, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If that was the case he would be starting don’t you think lol.
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Nov 17, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't understand the Nate Davis hoopla
I think people are confusing what they want him to be with what he actually is. Something similar happened in Miami a few years back with John Beck. Beck was drafted in the 2nd round and in 2 preseason games he drove the offense for game winning drives at the end. Everyone got all excited that Miami finally had someone to replace Marino. He finally got the start late in the season and proceeded to stink up the place. Now, he’s not even on the team any more. Playing well in preseason against inferior talent doesn’t always translate into success in the NFL.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
by urnext on Nov 17, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Heres how the 49ers should draft, names are in order of preference, a lot of people forget other teams are drafting too.
1a. Bruce Campbell, Brian Buluga or Trent Williams (OT, our obvious biggest need)
1b. Greg Hardy or Jerry Hughes (our next two needs are pass rush and the secondary. Pass rushers tend to go quicker than cornerbacks so we should move here
2. Kyle Wilson (he’ll be there because of his height. He’s a great corner who may allow us to move Nate Clements back to safety, and would provide a much needed boost to our return game)
3. Jevan Snead may still be available here. If not, get the best gaurd on the board.
4-8 are really value picks
Or if by some miracle eric berry is available, just move everything down one pick (get a different CB who can return if Kyle wilson isn’t there) because you can’t let a talent like that pass.
by hellaninersfan on Nov 17, 2009 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You contradicted yourself.
First you said you know football well. Then you said you believe that Alex Smith has all the physical attributes to be great.
News flash! It takes more than physical attributes to be a great QB. Ask Jamarcus Russell. Alex has great physical talent and NO NATURAL INSTINCTS. He will always make slow decisions, have a slow release, be inaccurate in his passing, etc.
It’s not about physical attributes. Ask Drew Brees…or Joe Montana.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Nov 18, 2009 5:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Those statements aren't contradictory.
Saying that Alex Smith has all the physical attributes to be great is not the same as saying Alex Smith is great because he all the necessary physical attributes.
I don’t know who you’re replying to but either you misquoted that person or you’re just wrong.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Nov 18, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And by the way, Kezarvet,
I watched that video you’ve posted of Nate Davis and he looks like he has some real potential. I would love to see what he can do in a real game.
However, you’re attitude here on NN is really turning me against him, which is a shame. If you’re goal is to get people to start thinking about Nate Davis, you’re really going about it the wrong way. It’s unnecessary to call people names and tell people that they aren’t real fans or don’t know anything about football. It hurts your credibility.
by LongLiveLangerhans on Nov 18, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes. it defintely hurts your credibility.
Less negativity would be appreciated.
PS. Montana had Namath’s feet.
by zacksf on Nov 18, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK. Nate Davis will be an excellent QB.
Alex Smith is a nice kid who happens to play football. How’s that?
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Nov 19, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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