Official Updated NN Offseason Discussion Thread (12/10) ...Continued
by Drew Kerr on Dec 10, 2009 12:38 PM PST
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PrintFOOCH'S NOTE: Consider this our current Official thread for draft and offseason discussion
With Week 13 now in the books and our playoff dreams seemingly down the drain, we can now move forward to Week 14 and hope for some Monday Night Football revenge. Last year I was in attendance at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, AZ to see us lose by literally a foot. As dissapointed as I was, it was still one of the single most exciting games I have ever watched in person. To avenge last years loss would be a sweet victory this coming weekend after last weekends deflating loss. Being that we're out, this is the last game of the year that I really care about winning.
Now that our playoff aspirations are what they are, the offseason discussions have moved in to the next gear. Some were reluctant to dive in to the topic because there was still a chance but I think that the conversations will increase from here on.
This week smileyman and I will take a look at the TE's and OT's that will be entering the draft and free agency. The 49ers are in desperate need of some help on our offensive line. Although the last few games the desperation has slowly been going away in that department, our infamous LOLine has not been as so LOL and actually played pretty decent for the most part. Considering that factor though, it is my opinion that this will still need to be addressed if nothing else but for depth.
Originally we were going to do this post once every week but as it turns out, the posts are filling up more quickly than anticipated. Thanks to rlott#42 for taking the initiative in creating a new one to get us through for a couple days. We will now be watching the comment count very closely to make sure that we get a new one up at about 300-350 comments or so to keep things fresh and more easy to follow.
TOP 5 NCAA TIGHT ENDS
For TE's I did just want to mention that currently we only have 2 active TE's on the roster in Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker. Brit Miller can play some TE but has been slotted in the FB position behind Moran Norris on the depth chart. The only other TE we have on the team is Joe John Finley which is currently helping the prep team on the practice squad.
1. Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma)
6'6" and 261 pounds of solid muscle, this kid is the most well rounded TE in the nation. His blocking is better than some college offensive guards and thanks to his past basketball experience his ability to catch passes out of the TE position is remarkable. There are not many flaws in Gresham's game and he is, hands-down, bar-none, the best TE to come out of the NCAA in quite some time. Comparison's have been made to the great Keith Jackson of the Philadelpia Eagles and coincidently he came out of Oklahoma as well. He will go in the 1st round late I am guessing just due to the fact that there is so much other talent. His career stats with the Sooners are: 111 Rec, 1,629 Yds, and 29 TD's.
2. Ed Dickson (Oregon)
Dickson is your prototypical TE in size...however, he is a bit faster than your protypical TE. He is an excellent receiver but at times has not been the best at blocking. We all know that Vernon Davis had his troubles with blocking when he first came in to the league but has since turned it around in to being the best blocking and receiving TE's in the league. In no way do I think he will be as good as VD but sometimes shows flashes of brilliance. He will be an interesting one to watch the development on in the NFL. He could go mid 2nd to mid 3rd round. Career stats are: 124 Rec, 1557 Yds, and 12 TD's
3. Aaron Hernandez (Florida)
6'2" 250 LBS, Hernandez was one of Tim Tebow's best friends this season. In just this season Hernandez managed to catch 59 passes and gained 739 yards with 4 TD's. Not bad for a TE eh? Hernandez is mostly considered to be a receiving TE in so many ways. His blocking is about on par with where a college TE's should be but may not be enough for the Pro's initially. It is definitely something that could be worked on. If he is successful, he has the potential to become one of the elite TE's in the NFL. It is difficult to predict where Hernandez may go in the draft, but I assume it will be 2nd or 3rd round. If he drops to the 4th, someone will be very pleased. He finished at Florida with 102 career receptions, 1,271 total receiving yards, and 11 TD's.
4. Anthony McCoy (USC)
McCoy is a defensive back abuser. Plain and simple... after he catches a pass, he turns in to the Terminator setting his sights on whatever defensive back he feels like tossing around. Mean would be an understatement in how McCoy plays his game. Always inviting contact, McCoy is by far the most "F"-ysical TE coming out in the draft this year. He has decent hands and can dig in to the trenches and get nasty like the big fella's. He also can be elusive when need be as well. He is 6'5" 250 LBS and his career stats are, 46 Rec, 731 Yds, and 3 TD's which over half came this year as a Senior.
5. Dedrick Epps (Miami)
Miami has produced some really good tight ends in years past. The likes of players such as Bubba Franks, Jeremy Shockey, and Kellen Winslow Jr. all got alot of praise coming out of Miami. Epps on the other hand is flying a bit below the radar comparitive to those mentioned. At 6'4" 253 LBS, this Senior has been a great outlet for young Quarterback Jacory Harris. I beleive that Epps will be a steal in the later rounds of the 2010 Draft. Career stats are: 49 Rec, 649 Yds, and 6 TD's.
TOP 5 NCAA OFFENSIVE TACKLES
Aside from the obvious #1 tackle on everyone's boards in Okung, there has been alot of debate in who the #2 OT is in the nation. But it is obvious who the top 5 are. It could be a good thing in that the competition is that close and I really do not see a "bust" in any of the guys mentioned below. This could be a real win-win situation for the Niners in the offseason. Even more debate has taken place on whether or not to persue the avenue of free agency in regards to the offensive line and draft some dynamic position players that will make plays both on offense as well as defense.
1. Russell Okung (Oklahoma State)
Okung is easily considered to be the top Offensive Tackle entering the NFL next year. His pass blocking is outstanding and his run blocking is even more impressive. We all wish that we could steal this guy somehow someway but I just cannot see it happening. Okung will be gone in the Top 5 picks for sure. 6'5" 301 LBS...Beast to say the least.
2. Brian Bulaga (Iowa)
A lot of the fans here at NN have been drooling over Bulaga. I on the other hand am not completely sold on him but I equally would not be dissapointed if we drafted him. It is one of those "meh" picks for me. Bulaga is still considered the best prospect for Tackle coming out of the Big 10. Dan Doering has provided quite a bit of assistance on that Offensive line to help in Bulaga's campaign and he too himself will be entering this years draft. The one thing we do know for sure is that Iowa will miss both of them. 6'6" 312 LBS.
3. Bruce Campbell (Maryland)
No, not the same guy from the movie Army of Darkness but maybe as ruthless in his mentality when inflicting pain on pass rushers. Campbell on some boards is the #2 pick for OT's. He is a workout maniac much like Davis was when at Maryland. Maybe it's something in the water... Steriods? All jokes aside, Campbell is strong, athletic, fast for a tackle with a 4.8 40-time... not bad for a monster like that. 6'6" 306 LBS.
4. Ciron Black (LSU)
Coming out of the SEC, Black will have a head start on some of the other Tackles entering the draft this year. The defensive lineman in the SEC tend to be most comparitive to what is already playing in the NFL. They are big, fast, and mean. This is going to be the steal of the year as far as offensive line is concerned. Steal meaning getting one of the best Tackles at a low slot in the 1st round, possibly high in the 2nd. 6'5" 323 LBS... the biggest Tackle out of the Top 5.
5. Trent Williams (Oklahoma)
Williams could have very well went in the 1st round of last years draft but decided to finish up school and go back for his Senior year which I think was the right decision for him considering his stock went up. He made the All-Big 12 team this year. At times he had his problems though and he is not the fastest LT in the world. Considering that I am a Sooner fan, I was a bit dissapointed to see Bradford go down, not once, but twice this season. One of the times was definitely Williams fault. While there is no perfect Offensive Lineman that provides 100% protection, I think that Williams will have alot of work to do to be an elite Tackle in the league. He could be average if he does not work hard. 6'5" 318 LBS.
Here now, smileyman will provide us with the free agent information for these two positions this week:
TOP FREE AGENT TIGHT ENDS NFL
Owen Daniels (Highlights)
Age: 26
Years in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Stats: 40 receptions, 519 yards, 5 TDs
Salary. $2.79 million
Summary: Owens was an RFA last year. The Texans made made him an offer and wouldn't let him go. He thinks he's being underpaid (can't say as I blame him), and right after he signed the tender he skipped some of the Texan's mini-camps. He wants big money, but his injury is going to hurt his stock.
Tony Scheffler (Highlights)
Age: 26
Years in the league: 4th season
Status: UFA
Stats: 27 receptions, 323 yards, 2 TDs
Salary: $612,000
Summary: Last year Scheffler was a much more utilized part of the offense, with 40 receptions, 645 yards, and 3 TDs. He's also been reduced to a backup role with the signing of Daniel Graham. I expect that he'll want to go to a team that will use him in a starting role.
Bo Scaife (Highlights)
Age: 28
Years in the league: 5th season
Status:UFA
Stats: 29 receptions, 287 yards, 0 TDS
Salary: $4.5 million
Summary: Tennesee's rough start has really hurt Scaife this year. Prior to VY starting Scaife had 12 receptions for 118 yards. He's been much more utilized since then. Tennesse franchised him last year, so they'll have to offer him a long-term contract or see him walk away. The back-up TE is also an unrestricted free agent, so they have some decisions to make. I expect that he'll stay in TN though.
Ben Watson (Highlights)
Age: 28
Years in the league: 6th season
Status: UFA
Stats: 22 receptions, 321 yards, 4 TDs.
Salary: $760,000 base salary. Escalators that could take him up to $3.6 million
Summary: Watson is a solid TE, but not upper tier. His best year was in 2006 when he had 645 yards and 3 tds. Watson is a solid player who I expect will be resigned by the Patriots.
I would expect that Scheffler and Daniels will hit FA, with Scaife and Watson being resigned. The other FA tight ends are backups at best, though there is an Alex Smith playing tight end for the Patriots. I think it would be kind of amusing to have two Alex Smith's on the same team.
Since lineman don't record stats, I'll be using Football Outsiders rankings to provide information on them.
TOP FREE AGENT OFFENSIVE LINEMAN NFL
Marcus McNeil
Age: 25
Years in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Stats: San Diego's run blocking is ranked 24th in the league. However their runs off left tackle move them up a full 8 spots--showcasing how good McNeil is. He's had 1 holding penalty for 5 yards and has only allowed 4 sacks all year.
Salary: $535,000
Summary: McNeil is still playing on his rookie contract and is being severely underpaid. Easily the top tackle available in FA he'll command a large contract. Making 2 Pro Bowls in 3 seasons is very impressive. He should have a long career ahead of him. If San Diego wants to franchise him they'll have to pay somewhere between $8.5 and $9 million to keep him.
Jared Gaither
Age: 23
Years in the League: 3rd season
Status: RFA
Salary: $460,000 base salary
Stats: The Baltimore Ravens have the 4th best run ALY in the league. With Oher on the right side and Gaither on the left side they appear to be set for some time. Gaither has had 6 penalties called on him this year, 2 false starts and 4 holding for a total of 22 yards. He's only allowed 3 sacks.
Summary: I'll be surprised if Baltimore doesn't come to a long-term contract with Gaither. Even if they don't they can just franchise him and get some hefty compensation if someone goes after him. I expect he'll stay there
Chad Clifton
Age: 33
Years in the League: 10th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $4.3 million
Stats: The good news is that GB is ranked 4th in the run according to FO. The bad news is that runs off LT are ranked at a measly 22 in the league. Clifton plays LT and has battled through an ankle injury this year that's left him not looking so hot. He's missed a couple of games this year and rookie T.J. Lang has started for him. Five penalties for Clifton this season. 4 false starts, 1 holding for a total of 40 yards. He's only allowed 3.25 sacks this year (don't ask me how he gets blamed for 1/4 a sack).
Summary: I don't see much value in Clifton for us. Basically he seems like a poor man's Barry Sims. There is enough tackle problems in the league that someone will probably pick him up if Green Bay doesn't resign him, but probably not for $4.3 million a year.
Mike Gandy
Age: 30
Years in the league: 9th season
Status UFA
Salary: $5 million
Stats: FO has AZ ranked 10th in run and 9th in pass protection--both of those are significantly better than what we do. When you look at the left side the numbers stay the same, indicating that Gandy is a solid option at LT. Gandy has had 7 penalties this year, 2 false starts, 5 holding penalties for a total of 80 yards. He's also allowed 6 sacks.
Summary: Gandy has been very reliable for Arizona, starting in every game since 2004 except Sunday's against the Vikings. He was held out of that game due to a pelvis injury. I would love to sign him, put him at LT, Sims as backup and move Staley to RT. At $5 million per year that's a reasonable price.
Tyson Clabo:
Age: 28
Years in the league: 4th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $1.5 million
Stats: Atlanta is ranked 11th in run, 9th in pass. They're only ranked 18th in runs off RT, but the only run that way 10% of the time. Only 2 penalties on Clabo this year, both holding, and only 3 sacks allowed.
Summary: Clabo is a solid tackle who worked himself into a starting job last year after spending a year in NFL Europe. The only question I have is if his success is due to talent or O-line coaching. The Falcon's offensive line coach has prepared lines that have given Steven Jackson and Fred Taylor career years. Atlanta signed Clabo to a one year deal at the end of last year. My guess is they didn't want to throw much money at him until they were sure what they had. I bet they resign him.
The Offensive Tackle market is also kind of slim. There are a few big names (Gaither, McNeill), but a team will have to pay heavily to get them. There are some solid prospects available, but no real "stars". Personally I'd love for us to grab Gandy, put him and Sims in at LT, and move Staley over to RT. We could get Gandy for a decent price, plus stealing him from Arizona would be even sweeter
Here is the most current pecking order for those that would like to attempt the mock drafts. Smileyman and myself will be doing our official mock drafts toward the very end of the season. Feel free to refference the first post I did with The Top 25 Players per Position.
Bare in mind that this was done early on and players have moved up and down in the order there.
Here is the order:
1. CLEVELAND BROWNS (1-11) [HELD]
2. TAMPA BAY BUCS (1-11) [HELD]
3. ST. LOUIS RAMS (1-11) [HELD]
4. DETROIT LIONS (2-10) [HELD]
5. WASHINGTON REDSKINS (3-9) [HELD]
6. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS (3-9) [HELD]
7. OAKLAND RAIDERS (4-8) [HELD]
8. BUFFALO BILLS (4-8) [PREVIOUSLY 11TH]
9. S.F. 49ERS FROM CAROLINA PANTHERS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 8TH]
10. DENVER BRONCOS FROM CHICAGO BEARS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 9TH]
11. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 10TH]
12. S.F. 49ERS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 14TH]
13. HOUSTON TEXANS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 15TH]
14. TENNESSEE TITANS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 16TH]
15. N.Y. JETS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 13TH]
16. MIAMI DOLPHINS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 12TH]
17. PITTSBURGH STEELERS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 19TH]
18. ATLANTA FALCONS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 20TH]
19. BALTIMORE RAVENS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 21ST]
20. N.Y. GIANTS (7-5) [PREVIOSULY 18TH]
21. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 17TH]
22. GREEN BAY PACKERS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 24TH]
23. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 26TH]
24. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 23RD]
25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS FROM DENVER BRONCOS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 22ND]
26. DALLAS COWBOYS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 28TH]
27. ARIZONA CARDINALS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 25TH]
28. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS (9-3) [PREVIOUSLY 27TH]
29. CINCINNATI BENGALS (9-3) [HELD]
30. MINNESOTA VIKINGS (10-2) [HELD]
31. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS (11-0) [HELD]
32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (11-0) [HELD]
Side Note: Since these threads are filling up at lightning speed, I will keep this one around until it hits 300 or so like I said above. However, I will do this similar to how a gameday thread goes by just reposting the same one until smileyman and I can get the new Official Offseason NN Discusion Thread up.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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For the record I was on an Iowa forum
And they said Doering has been riding the bench for most of the season after having been outperformed early
Now to the best Mock out there
1) Browns – Ndamukong Suh QB play has been looking up and Suh sealed his first round status by single-handedly taking Texas to the last second.
2) Rams – Jake Locker
3) Bucs – Gerald McCoy – fills a need
4) Lions – Russell Okung 1 minor shoulder injury was enough for the lions to realize they better get him some protection
5) Chiefs – Eric Berry – Suh is off the board and so is Okung, Berry is the only pick unless they want to reach on Dez Bryant.
6) Bills – Jimmy Clausen
7) Redskins – Sam Bradford
8) 49ers from Carolina – Brian Bulaga
9) Broncos from Bears – Rolando McClain because they must replace Andra Davis who is getting old
10) Seahawks – Joe Haden
11) Raiders – Carlos Dunlap – Al Davis will be Al Davis
12) Titans – Dez Bryant
13) 49ers – Earl Thomas – could be a reach but he’s been soaring up draft boards.
14) Houston – Derrick Morgan
15) Packers – Greg Hardy
16) Giants – Taylor Mays –
17) Jags – Tim Tebow – Publicity Stunt to try and sell tickets before they eventually leave for LA
18) Jets – CJ Spiller – Gives Sanchez a dynamic weapon
annnddd really don’t care enough to do the rest because there are too many ways it could go with BPA
Gimme 1 round!
Julian Vandervelde
Is the guy that took Doering’s slot… I guess he earned the slot even before the season began according to their depth chart
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Does this mean Leon Washington will be available in FA?
That could be a huge FA pickup for us if he becomes available.
by abasketballfan on Dec 10, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, he's a free agent this year
We could probably get him on the cheap too.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Free Agents
Going on the cheap outlook here: (don’t read anything much into the order)
1) RB Leon Washington
2) CB Carlos Rogers or Fabian Washington
3) LG Logan Mankins or Jahri Evans or Darryn Colledge
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 11, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I think NO extends Evans
and I wouldn’t want Colledge.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Washington and Rogers
I think both of those guys may be restricted if the CBA isn’t reworked/renewed. Same could be said for Mankins, Evans, and Colledge.
Q: What determines an unrestricted free agent in the Final League Year (2010)?
A: In capped seasons, a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent if he has four or more accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent only if he has six or more accrued seasons. An unrestricted free agent is free to sign with any club with no compensation owed to his old club.
Source: Maiocco
We're aware of that
all this discussion is based on the premise that there will be a new CBA
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I don't think Mankins will leave
Colledge is too old. Saints will be smart enough to keep the OL in tact
True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!
Blk Sand Ninja-
I will repost mine even though it caught a little heat here and there.
1. CLEVELAND BROWNS (1-11)- Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska) DT
Suh is a cannot pass up type of player…If Quinn continues to show improvement, there’ll be no reason fo the Browns to draft QB here.
2. TAMPA BAY BUCS (1-11)- Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) OT
Tampa has struggled to keep the back of their QB’s jersey grass-stain free. With Suh gone, they will not be able to pass up the #1 rated Tackle on the board.
3. ST. LOUIS RAMS (1-11)- Jake Locker (Washington) QB
It’s really hard to say who the Rams will like out of Clausen, Pike, and Locker but I think out of all of them Locker is the most ready to learn behind Bulger for a year and take over. It may be sooner than that if Bulger struggles again next year.
4. DETROIT LIONS (2-10)- Brian Bulaga (Iowa) OT
The Lions have also not been very strong on keeping the outside sealed off. They will look to upgrade their line to help keep Stafford upright and give Kevin Smith some real blocking as well. Bulaga is a good fit here.
5. WASHINGTON REDSKINS (3-9)- Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma) DT
The Redskins will look to upgrade the interior with McCoy to eliminate some of the double teams that Haynesworth has drawn all year. With two forces like this in the middle like this, QB’s will be running for their lives.
6. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS (3-9)- C.J. Spiller (Clemson) RB
With Larry Johnson gone and no true #1 RB, the Cheifs will be looking to add a multi-facet talent like Spiller to break games wide open. With Jamaal Charles and Spiller splitting the work load this will take some of the heat off of Cassell to do it by himself.
7. OAKLAND RAIDERS (4-8)- Greg Hardy (Ole Miss) DE
I have a very strong feeling that Richard Seymour had a nice vacation in the Bay Area but he will be looking to head back east next season. Davis and co. will look to replace Seymour and Hardy is the closest thing to doing that.
8. BUFFALO BILLS (4-8)- Tony Pike (Cincinnati) QB
I am not sure that Edwards is the answer in Buffalo. With a lot of the team possibly going to free agency, the Bills will select a QB for the future to help rebuild this lost franchise.
9. S.F. 49ERS FROM CAROLINA PANTHERS (5-7)- Eric Berry (Tennesse) FS
We all know that the Niners need desperate help at our safety positions and I think that the 49ers may just get lucky enough to land Berry here. If he is available, there is no way he slips to 10.
10. DENVER BRONCOS FROM CHICAGO BEARS (5-7)- Brandon Spikes (Florida) ILB
Andra Davis will be 31 years old this December…considering the age, I think that they will be in need of some fresh blood in there. Spikes fits perfectly on the other side of D.J. Williams. Nolan will persuade FO not to let Spikes slip away.
11. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (5-7)- Trent Williams (Oklahoma) OT
With all the injuries to the line this year, I think that the Hawks will look to replace Ray Willis the RT and put Trent in there with Willis as the back up. Of course Williams will have to prove he is worthy of that spot in camp and preseason. For some reason I just get the feeling they will like Williams there more than Campbell.
12. S.F. 49ERS (5-7)- Bruce Campbell (Maryland) OT
Of course we all know that Adam Snyder is not going to be a starter nex year. Let’s all pray that he’s not. Campbell will be the best available choice at this pick here and he is a gym rat like VD (and from the same school) so if nothing else it gives Vernon a workout partner. In all seriousness though, I like this pick if we can get him here.
13. HOUSTON TEXANS (5-7)- Taylor Mays (USC) FS
The Texans are in desperate need of secondary help right now. Mays will be the missing link to the already much improved defense. If Mays is on the board here, they will not pass him up.
14. TENNESSEE TITANS (5-7)- Sean Weatherspoon (Missouri) OLB
Tennessee will be looking to land a solid LB for years to come. With Bullock getting up there in age and Thorton missing time this year, the Titans will be hard pressed not to take Weatherspoon at this slot.
15. N.Y. JETS (6-6)- Terrence Cody (Alabama)
Perfect for this 3-4 defense. Cody will be a beast of a NT at this pick here and ol’ Rexie will not hesitate to press the button if Cody is still here.
16. MIAMI DOLPHINS (6-6)- Dez Bryant (Oklahoma State) WR
The Dolphins have had a WR identity crisis for the past few years. No real stand out WR’s there. Ginn Jr. is inconsistent…Davon Bess has emerged a bit but still not a #1…Hartline and Camarillo do not exactly fit the bill for a #1 either. My guess is that one of the guys mentioned will move over to make room for a true #1 WR in Dez Bryant if he falls this low.
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
Bill Parcells hasn’t drafted a reciever since 96 (Terry Glenn); personally, I believe Parcells will go with Dan Williams, whom many people believe could actually be a better NT than Terrence Cody
"Lisa, Vampires are make-believe, like elves, gremlins, and eskimos." - Homer Simpson
"Aren't we forgeting the true meaning of Christmas? You know, the birth of Santa?" - Bart Simpson
"Make crime pay. Become a Lawyer." - Will Rogers.
I haven't counted yet
but that could be a close guess
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
The closest thing to consensus
We need people for the OL and Secondary. Jerry Hughes would be awesome with our second round pick. If for some bizarre reason Berry, McCoy, Suh, Okung and Bulaga are all off the board when we pick with Carolina’s slot we move down.
Earl Thomas has yet to reach a consensus but people seem to be accepting of him with our second pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
When did Thomas become a First Rounder?
I’ve always thought of his as a potential second round steal, but maybe not quite good enough for an early first round pick.
Yeah
he is not projected to go in the 1st
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
he is in every mock I’ve seen. #2 safety prospect, #1 out side of the top 10, and the giants and texans are both in major need of safety help.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
He's not in the top 32 for Scouts Inc
I don’t trust miscellaneous mocks… some of the ones I have seen are about as good as some of the people on some of the SB Nation sites. Not real proffesional.
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
Scouts Inc....
Has Golden Tate pegged at #9 overall. I don’t think I’ve seen him anywhere but the second round before. Any thoughts?
He's 26th on the most current
But I was wrong…I guess Earl Thomas has made his way up the board. I’m not sure why
Here’s the link for anyone that’s interested in seeing what good ol’ McShay and company is currently cooking up right now:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
There goes my dream...
of possibly getting Golden Tate as a sleeper in the second or third round of the draft.
Tate is definitely going in the late 1st or early 2nd.
"Lisa, Vampires are make-believe, like elves, gremlins, and eskimos." - Homer Simpson
"Aren't we forgeting the true meaning of Christmas? You know, the birth of Santa?" - Bart Simpson
"Make crime pay. Become a Lawyer." - Will Rogers.
in the past 10 minutes he’s climbed up 13 more slots to #13, #2 safety.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
That's one of those WFT moments...
I guess the scouts were really that impressed with the Texas defense against Nebraska?
After the combine and the dust settles some
things will be a bit more concrete as to who is rated where. It’s going to bounce around a bit back and forth until then.
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
He's been there for months dude
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
LOL then you missed him
I’ve seen him there for QUITE a while. Before I regularly even posted here
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I know because I recognize the 94 by his name
and if they updated this thing often Suh would be a 98 after his game against Texas. That board has stayed the same for a long time now
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Right
I guess the two other people above in the thread that noticed that were wrong also. Good call
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
Whoever said Golden Tate was #9 overall from Scouts Inc
He’s never been there… Then you put him at 26 where he is now. And somebody miss interpreted the comment about 26 to mean you were talking about Earl Thomas because they said he’s jumped 13 slots to # 13. Very simple.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
60 tackles 8 Ints and like 17 passes defended
Thats why he’s made his way up the board. That and being about as good an athlete as the #1 Safety
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Number 1 safety
Can I have some of what you are smoking? He plays in a pass happy inferior offensive conference and is not touted as a great player coming in. It is the same reason Why the leagues top corners have the worst number, no one tries to go their way. Berry is the best saety in this draft, PERIOD.
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Did not say otherwise
said he is as good an athlete as Berry. That doesn’t mean he’s as good a Safety but he is a clear cut #2
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
How big is Thomas?
Alabama should prove as a great evaluation for him. He will need to play the run and pass well.
by abasketballfan on Dec 10, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
1" shorter
and like 5 lbs lighter but looks more solidly built
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
It seems you try to find anything to justify you saying that Berry will be injury prone because of how he throw his body around, it’s at times ridiculous though entertaining. Ronnie Lott was 6’ 1" and 203lbs which is an ideal safety size and weight. he threw his body around like no other player ever, why is it so hard to believe another player can do the same.
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Earl Thomas
will be an average safety at best in the NFL anyway. Most people see that Berry is going to be a stud. And he is very strategic in the when and how he “throws his body around”. I watched Earl Thomas a couple times this year and he is not much better than a Dashon Goldson type of player. 7 out of the 8 INT’s came against crappy teams. He got one lucky pick against OU in the Red River Rival because they had a freshman QB come in to the game when Bradford went down for the 2nd time. If we get Thomas, it will be the biggest draft mistake since Kwame Harris or Jim Druckenmiller. I will be outraged if he is drafted by us. Although I don’t think I will have to worry about that.
Some people just say things for the sake of saying them rlott without anything to back their claims.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
Ronnie Lott at 6'1" 203
was in the 80’s. The average player in the NFL has grown by 10% since 85’ So Ronnie Lott in the 80’s is was the equivalent size of a 220 S in today’s league. Come on Lott. I figured you were smart enough not to make THAT arguement.
Lott was BIG for his time in the league.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
source for my CONSERVATIVE
numbers. Especially considering Linemen were 280 in the 80’s and now averaging 320.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2313476
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:20 AM PST up reply actions
You are comparing the size of linemen in the 80s and now
and putting that difference in with safetys and CBs.. that does not work.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Linemen have increased more than 10%
Read the entire article. The average NFL PLAYER not lineman has increased by 10%. Linemen have gone up by 20. I found another article that gave numbers but went from the 70’s so I didn’t cite it. I will now. QB’s since the 70’s have increased 25 lbs. RB’s by 17. DL by over 30… So 10% since 1980 when Lott came into the league is conservative
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Suh not the best rated defensive player
He lost credibility whether espn pays him or not.
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Suh or Berry are definitely the two best
As they play such vastly different positions its hard to judge who is #1… But 4.5 sacks 8 tackles for a loss against the “#2” team in the nation pretty much seals him being the #1 or 2 best defensive player in the draft.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Everytime I see him he's absolutely destroying people
The only reason Nebraska is decent is because of him
by abasketballfan on Dec 10, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Dude hes #13 in the Scouts inc 32 with a 94 rating
Right below Sam Bradford and above Sergio Kindle
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
the hellninersfan mock
just up to the 49ers first pick, do we really care beyond that for a 1 round mock?
1. CLEVELAND BROWNS (1-11) Jimmy Clausen QB
Mangini and Wiess are besties and I think mangini will blame all his problems on quinn.
2. TAMPA BAY BUCS (1-11) Ndamakong Suh DT
This guy is crazy, the texas game was not a one time thing. I’ve seen film of him chasing down running backs in the backfield and making tackles near the sideline. Massive value meets massive need.
3. ST. LOUIS RAMS (1-11) Jake Locker QB
So many needs here. Jake locker makes the most sense
4. DETROIT LIONS (2-10) Russell Okung OT
Like Drew K said, Lions had a close call. They’re saying good things about Backus now, but once they take a good hard look they’ll realize he’s terrible and is one of the main reason their franchise is terrible. Don’t be surprised if Gerald McCoy or Eric Berry go here.
5. WASHINGTON REDSKINS (3-9) Sam Bradford QB
Snyder is fickle. Campbell’s contract is up and he hasn’t been playing good enough for snyder to extend him. He won’t let a name as big as bradford get past him.
6. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS (3-9) Eric Berry S
I would love for this pick to be rolando McClain, but Berry is the better prospect and the cheifs know it.
7. OAKLAND RAIDERS (4-8) Taylor Mays S
This one is self explanatory
8. BUFFALO BILLS (4-8) Gerald McCoy DT
They could use a QB, but their run d is the worst in the country and McCoy would end that.
9. S.F. 49ERS FROM CAROLINA PANTHERS (5-7) Brian Buluga OT
The talent here really doesn’t match our needs. No DBs or OLBs worth taking, and RTs and Gaurds will still be there later in the draft. Hopefully we trade down, but I wouldn’t be to upset with Brian Buluga. It was said in the previous thread he learned how to play left tackle form TE in 6 weeks, hopefully he makes the adjustment to RT that quickly.
10. DENVER BRONCOS FROM CHICAGO BEARS (5-7) Cameron Heyward 3-4 DE
I honestly don’t know if he’s going to declare, but he meets a need and would be a good value for them.
11. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (5-7) Dez Bryant WR
Housh is good, but they need somone across from him. They don’t want a tackle with Bruce Campbell’s injury history, and anthony davis will be available with their second pick. They also will need a new QB soon, but Ryan Mallet may slip to round 2 and is perfect for them.
12. S.F. 49ERS (5-7) CJ SPILLER RB
ok, maybe I fudged seattles pick a bit so they don’t grab him, but I think they’d go for dwyer instead anyway. Spiller probably won’t be a #1 back right away, but we won’t need him to be. He is the perfect versatile weapon for our new offense, he can lead block, catch, pick up blitz and catch. A couple years of going between the tackles to lead block for gore will get him more comfortable with running between the tackles in the long term. And last but not least, he’s the explosive return man we’ve been looking for. I would be a for sure happy camper if we made this pick. Plus, again, the talent doesn’t available didn’t match up with our other needs at 9, and not a whole lot changed between 9 and 12.
Seattle
You definitely fudges that one. They just spent a ton of money on Housh and both him and Burleson are +60 in receptions right now with both Deion and Deon have a combined 35 more catches. I tried to reconcile Bryant there too but just couldn’t bring myself to do it after looking at the current WR’s stats.
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
yeah, maybe williams, mallet or dwyer would have been a better pick. but I still don’t think they take berry. They’re looking for a feature back
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I think they really like what they have in Forsett already
Mallett won’t go in the 1st round…but they could suprise alot of people and select a QB. I am thinking Oline for tha pick there. They will have 2 1sts like us but Denvers pick will be alot later in the 1st.
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
The fans may like forsett, but for whatever reason they’re continuing to give jones carries.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
pass rushers will be there in round 2. Safeties will be there in round 3 and even 4. CJ spiller will be gone by pick 22.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 11, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
The safeties will not be there in round 3 or 4
Eric Berry is the kind of can’t miss prospect that comes along every so often.
If they have the opportunity to get him they shouldn’t hesitate.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 11, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve always said that. but he has to fall past a lot of teams for that to happen. happens in 1 mock draft and everyone goes apeshit.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 11, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’m drinking the Spiller Kool-Aid
Field position played a crucial role in Sunday’s game. Niners could dominate that aspect of the game with Andy Lee’s leg and C J’s pro bowl potential as a return man. Spiller’s exceptional hands & scoots allow the options to:
Rotate with Delanie Walker, pairing him with Gore/Coffee for the Niner version of
"Thunder & Lightning." OR
Replace Gore/Coffee arming Alex with a C J "silver bullet" for his Raye Gun.
Depending how the draft goes, the 9r second 1st round pick should still yield a top tier OL, DB, or a pass rushing DE/OLB. If the 49ers are to turn around its return game and they are committed to this shotgun style offense, they either need to get C J or they need to get "a CJ."
by Flyin' Taco on Dec 11, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think...
… the return team had a whole lot to do with the poor field position. There’s only so much a return man can do when the opposing punter is punting from around mid-field.
U R right . . .
. . . but that is the point, create that situation for the opposing team. Georgia Tech punted and kicked away from Spiller by angling & kicking short, but that strategy just gave Clemson better starting field positions. Kick to him & you hold your breath every time he touches the ball. The combo of Lee and C J will outmatch most opposing special teams. C J can also help with 3rd down conversions. Alex can choose from the best mismatches with Davis, Walker, or Crabtree & still have the explosive Spiller coming out of the backfield.
by Flyin' Taco on Dec 11, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
You're missing my point.
The opposing punter was punting from around midfield. This means that most (if not all) of his punts went INSIDE the ten, which is no-return zone, anyway (and technically kicking away from the return man).
Even if the 49ers had Devin Hester back there, he wouldn’t be fielding most of the punts that pinned the 49ers down where they were.
but we also have trouble retuning punts when we feild them at our 40. remember brandon jones in tennessee losing 4 yards trying to find an opening? that won’t happen with Spiller on the team. and I would say special teams is less than 1/4 of what he brings to the table.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 11, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think probably the biggest upgrade that could be made over night...
Is getting better coaching for the returns. 1 Side of our special teams, (the side that involves Andy Lee), is great, the other side stinks. It doesn’t matter HOW good your return man is when he doesn’t get great lanes. It was proven with Desmond Howard, when he left Green Bay his production dropped like a rock. Devin Hester is a great return man but he’s also on a team that sets him up for success. We should steal the bears Special Teams coach.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:26 AM PST up reply actions
Good point . . .
. . . but as the only guy that voted for Spiller as a first pick (out of pure stubbornness, I’d really go E. Berry), I think that a mark of a great player is one that makes those around him play better. Do not know if he’ll be great, but to quote the late, great, Richard Pryor, "the boy has po-tential!" If the special teams coach needs changing, OK, I have no problem with that, but CJ has the quicks to see, and can get through, just a crack of an opened lane. It’ll be fun to watch him against Kentucky on the 27th. He killed Georgia Tech.
Got to admit tho, you did kill my buzz with your Desmond Howard observation.
Desmond Howard
That is an untrue observation. Great return men create lanes for themselves. See: Devin Hester, Deion Sanders, Josh Cribbs, etc. Desmond Howard did get great lanes when with GB. The other guys, not so much…most often if it wasn’t there, they created it. College is a bit different than the Pro’s in all fairness…but to be even more fair, Spiller has the same intangables as the other guys I mentioned when returning kicks. Some people just have not seen enough of Spiller to make proper assessments of him. I on the other hand, have seen every single Clemson game this year… So I know just how good him and Jacoby Ford are. So I disagree completely with this statement:
It doesn’t matter HOW good your return man is when he doesn’t get great lanes.
Men who eat crackers in bed wake up feeling crummy
Any chance the Niners would trade up
to get Okung?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
nope. we’ve got our solution at LT, and we can get a good RT where we are. not worth giving anything up.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
depending on how detroit and KC pick, he may actually fall to us without having to trade up. If he doesn’t, there are a lot of talented safeties in this draft. Eric Berry would be great, but I wouldn’t complain about Reshad Jones from georgia, Nate Allen from USF, or Myron Rolle, and at least 2 of those guys might be there in the 3rd round.
There is too much talent in this draft to give up picks to trade up. The depth is really incredible. Juniors afraid of what the new CBA may mean for them who would ordinarily stay in the draft are declaring, increasing the available amount of talent. I’m a big proponent of trading down.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
When I get home I will post another with a detailed explanation.
I hate that we are talking offseason, but I am having fun talking about it. Thanks again drew k, itburnzwhenip, it’s been entertaining
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It is interesting and I am glad there has been so much participation
I think most everyone here will be thrilled if Berry drops to our 1st pick
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
That'd be cool if we could take Toby Gerhart
maybe in the 3rd.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
his running style is very similar to gore’s and he benefits from an outstanding offensive line. He’d have a much better career with another team.
But if he’s there on the 4th jump on it. Too big a value to pass up. The fact that he might fall to the 3rd or 4th just goes to show how talented this draft is.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Gerhart is going to be like a Mike Alstott
The Browns may get him or someone like that later on. Gerhart is not a 1st rounder
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
He is a high 2nd rounder though
There has been some talk of him going late first also. I mean… 1700 yards in a season in the best top to bottom conference in college football and running all over USC counts for alot.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Best topt o bottom conference
The best team in the conference isn’t that good, how do you figure that?.
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if u match up the pac 10 against any conference in the country in order of standing in the conference, the worst they’d do is 8-2 against the SEC.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Pac-10
Definitely not the best conference. Take away USC and who is left? Nobody really.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Um USC finished tied with Cal
for 6th place in the Pac-10…
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 2:30 AM PST up reply actions
Uhhh
Excuse the Pac-10 playing everyone in their conference each season along with a real out of conference schedule. San Jose State played a harder schedule than Bama and Texas. The cherry picking of easy games even goes on inside the conference for those teams.
Here we go
I’ll take Oregon against everyone in the SEC this year except Florida and Alabama, and I’m not even sure about Florida. Oregon State is a good program that would challenge teams in any conference in the country. Cal and Stanford would be good for atleast seven wins a year in any conference, maybe more if they always the directional schools that others schedule.
I also see him alot closer to Eddie George than Mike Alstott
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I could see that comparison
only there are nothing alike in build nor style of running. Gerhart is alot more stocky than George was and plows through people more often than not. Gerhart is 6’1" and George is 6’3". They weigh exactly the same or at least when George was playing so they carry that weight much differently. Alstott was 6’1 and about 240-245 with an identical running style…so the comparison there is alot more accurate.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
More proof you have no idea what you're talking about
Gerhart runs NOTHING like Alstott. The big guy has incredible balance and makes excellent cuts and while he can run people over and drags people for yards he makes just as many miss.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I am not going to argue this
your perception of things is way off alot more than you think. But its your perception and thats why it is. You will never concede a point even when you’re proven with facts to be wrong. I on the other hand can admit when I am wrong.
It’s pointless to even have a debate with you
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
What facts?
That Alstott was big, slow, couldn’t cut, couldn’t make people miss, would never keep his balance on the same runs that Gerhart has? And Eddie George could and did?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Three different analysis on Gerhart
I think a team takes a chance on Gerhart within the top 75. I think he’ll have to make it as a FB though becuase he’s too slow as an NFL RB.
Will make a great FB/Goalline Back. He’s a big, physical back whose punishes tacklers, has a good second effort after contact, and has some speed once he gets into space.
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I can see teams use him in many different ways. Kinda like LaRon McClain or Brian Leonard he can be a full back at times and running back other times. He could even play some H back. A west coast offense team would be a great fit for him.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
There have been alot more making that comparison than just myself
and a couple feeds… of course you will deny any comparison because you cannot admit when you are wrong, so this is more for everyone to see:
Gerhart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPAB4A4UqgY
Alstott:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFWtdfM332I
Some have even made the comparison to Hester in Denver, Riggins and Tommy Vardell. He isn’t being compared to backs like Eddie George at all. It has nothing to do with color.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
There are just as many people that say that comparison is stupid
Because their running style isn’t similar only their build and skin color. Gerhart runs a low 4.5 high 4.4 Alstott ran a 4.66 and was a pure straight ahead into the pile runner. Gerhart cuts constantly while he runs.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
I could link to a bunch of other blogs too
or youtube too. Tommy Vardell gets comparisons but his lateral movement isn’t nearly as good and I’ve seen that mentioned before too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
try not to get so personal… you guys are having two fights in one fanpost. maybe from now on if you two disagree with each other just let it go..
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
AND
OR???
You comparison with the cuts and all that is off too. Gerhart is more of a north and south type of guy… Goerge made people look silly at times and Gerhart cannot do that. Again…perception?
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
Wow
2 of them are white! So now I know what you’re basing it on. Their looks. Now it makes sense
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
That absurd
and I will not even go there… now you are turning it in to something else. What a great comment there
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
Toby said it himself
He tells people he’s a running back and they automatically assume fullback cause he’s white and there’s not a single starting white NFL running back. You can make it out to be shocking and racist but its true. The guy is a legit halfback in the mold of Eddie George or Lendale White – (I compared him to a White back for you there).
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
He isn't a legit back and it has nothing to do with color
Bettis was faster than this kid, he just was, it’s not any one’s fault, but it is the case. Gerhardt? What’s his longest run from scrimmage? This kid wil be a goaline back
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They will be one of the few teams in the league that gives him a shot as an H bacl
And Bettis didn’t run much faster than Gerhart… Toby has run as low as a 4.48
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
When and Where and I highly doubt that, He must be a long strider
Looks like a 4.6
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Here
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65195&draftyear=2010&genpos=RB
One is probably slightly downhill and the other uphill. He like Spiller has been all over the board in terms of times. 4.55 is his average
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
LOLink? Has to be
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=74055&draftyear=2009&genpos=WR
Crabtree’s PROJECTED stats not actual and form the same site!
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Blk Sand Ninja-
It says PROJECTED ROUND
Not the speeds. I’ve found those speeds with other guys that correspond exactly to 40 times taken by scouts.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
61 yards
He had a similar year last year except he split time to start the season. He averaged 5.4 yards last year on 210 carries with 15 TDs and 5.6 this year on 311 carries with 26 TDs
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
In a poor defensive conference
OK, could be the next Ron Dayne.
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Blk Sand Ninja-
Here's several other guys that are better than the Mike "Me and Toby are alike cause of our skin color" Alstott comparison
John Riggins, Earl Campbell, Ron Dayne, Brandon Jacobs, Deuce McAllister
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
So you dropped the Eddie George comparison out of that equation now huh?
convenient…
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
Several OTHER
dude reading comprehension dude.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
That was a response to rlott#42 was it not?
You left George off…. If youre so sold on that comparison, then why did you not include that as well?
It’s not reading comprehension. It’s a fact that you left it out because maybe you are feeling a little off with the comparison. Hopefully by now anyway…
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
CAN YOU FUCKING READ
SEVERAL OTHER guys.
Man… Seriously READING COM-PRE-HEN-SION
When I say other it means I’ve already said Eddie George.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
You SHOULD be banned
for trying to act like you’er badder than Urlacher
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'd tell him to his face
He is a P.OS cor being a critic and throwing a hissy fit about QB’s.
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Blk Sand Ninja-
Him calling out his team is one thing
But trying to act like you’re tougher than a stud MLB in the NFL because you were able to come back from ankle surgery to get behind your desk faster than he was able to get back to competing at an NFL level is LOL worthy
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
You don't know what I do for a living
To assume I sit behind a desk isn’t exactly saying something with facts. Now you’re just out right trash talking
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
If I was talking trash
I’d have said your ankle healed pretty quick to use the gas pedal when you’re parking cars.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Personal attacks are not necessary in this blob and are heavily frowned upon
Just a friendly FYI
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
To be fair
I tried to give you enough credit to suggest you’re intelligent enough for a desk job. You accused me of talking trash so I gave an example of trash talk. No intention to make it personal though I completely disagree with you on football.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said I'd tell him to his face he has gotten soft.
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Blk Sand Ninja-
Doesn't men I am tougher
I got a big enough pair to tell him what I think of his season ending injury, and his comments baout his team. I don’t care who he is or what he does for a living.
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Blk Sand Ninja-
Here’s several other guys that are better than the Mike “Me and Toby are alike cause of our skin color” Alstott comparison
You don’t even comprehend reading your own writing. Now you are just covering stuff up. Unless you are just that bad at writing things clearly. Nice try though on the “I already said Eddie George previous to this”. Its the best argument you had to that. Most people, that write well may have included “besides Eddie Goerge” had they really meant that.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
from where lol
I linked to the 4.55 and the 4.48
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Ok so that link isn't a projection? seems like it
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=74055&draftyear=2009&genpos=WR
This is Crabtree’s profile form this site, we all know he never ran a 40!!
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Blk Sand Ninja-
At the combine
This has times taken at school or at high school camps etc.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Highschool?
He did have a knew injury and a guy that size more than likely has lost a step. Come on you can’t admit to being wrong on this flabergasting?
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Blk Sand Ninja-
Watch at the combine
When he runs a 4.54
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't matter what he runs he will be drafted for what he is and will not be a 49er and I will be glad.
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Blk Sand Ninja-
As I said
That’s his low time. That is why scouts take more than 1 40 time. They have guys run the track both ways generally because they are not perfectly level. The grade on the combine track is perfectly level and electronically timed thats why they only run once.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Btw
rlott …The college award ceremony is on ESPN. You think Itburnz will go postal if someone makes a comparison of Gerhart to Alstott? I’ll give you 10/1 he does.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
They will make that comparison.
And then they will say that people that make that comparison are completely wrong. And they will compare him to backs that can actually run the ball.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes I linked to other times that have actually be taken
Not projected times
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Pre-Injury
you have no idea what he will run
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McCallister and Jacobs? Hell no
Please pass what you are smoking, you must be in cali!
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Brandon Jacobs
is almost 6’5" and 270 lbs… Gerhart 6’1" 235… although the running styles are more similar in Jacobs and Gerhart than Eddie George and Toby Gerhart… so at least he is getting closer in that regard
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
possible solution at right tackle in the second round?
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=2469
http://www.walterfootball.com/mattblog091030.php
he already plays RT and is said to be better than Black. This would really open up our options for the first round. And, as I think Drew said, the SEC is almost equivalent to the pros in the trenches, and Singletary has a very high regard for the SEC.
The worst part about it is that we need two OL
I would love to draft BPA with both picks, but we can’t. Hopefully one is traded for a later 1st and a 2nd so we can get the Guard from ALA. and this guy doesn’t sound bad. Th thing is, IMO, we need a Guard just as bad as RT.
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trading down for another second rounder will allow us to take 2 bpas in the first round (Iupati may be the BPA at one of those picks), a pass rusher and right tackle in the second round, and a gaurd in the third round. Hopefully a safety figures somewhere in there.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Question, why does everyone have Berry going to KC?
1st: That’s not a Pioli type pick. He likes building the team through the trenches and KC isn’t there yet. He’s also more likely to go off the board for an offensive/defensive linemen.
2nd: Todd Haley has been screaming for WR talent all season. Why would KC pass up Dez Bryant when the coach is throwing a hissy fit each week on how it’s such a huge need.
I have been screaming it
He will take Cody or an OL
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the o-line/3-4 d-line talent that matches up with where they’d be picking would be reaches. Buluga and Campbell are not top 5 prospects, neither are cody or heyward. Berry is simply the the best player available and meets a need, there will be WR available later. Although you may be right.
I hope you are right, because the only other teams that may grab him that are ahead of us are the lions, browns and bucs, who all have other needs.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 10, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
tyson jackson
I remember hearing the 49ers were very interested in drafting Tyson Jackson 10th overall last year. In fact, either Matt Barrows and Matt Maiocco reported that there was a ‘collective groan’ from the 49ers draft room after the chiefs took him.
Story is true
The 49ers didn’t think anyone was truly interested in Jackson within the Top 10. 49ers also felt the board could have played out with no OTs, QBs or Crabtree available at their pick so they targeted Jackson.
Well lets be glad it didn't work out
Tyson and his 12 tackles, 0 sacks
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 11, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
He is a rookie and has no help on that DL.
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sucks
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 10, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
New Mock
1. CLEVELAND BROWNS – Jake Locker QB Washington- He’s surroinded by nothing in college so he shoul feel right at home
2. TAMPA BAY BUCS (1-11) – N Suh- DT Neb do I need to say anything?
3. ST. LOUIS RAMS (1-11)- Gerald McCoy- New coach is a Dl freak they always drafted them in NY
4. DETROIT LIONS (2-10) Greg Hardy- Lions can’t get to the QB
5. WASHINGTON REDSKINS (3-9) – Colt McCoy- QB Tex. High profile player at a NEED position. At least they need a new person to blame in Washington.
6. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS (3-9) – Russell Okung OT Ok ST.
7. OAKLAND RAIDERS (4-8) Dunlap DE Flo.- It’s the Raiders, they should be going QB here though!
8. BUFFALO BILLS (4-8) Jevan Sneed= QB Ole Miss What did we forget about him, show you have an arm in the combine and you have a shot.
9. S.F. 49ERS FROM CAROLINA PANTHERS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 8TH]- E BerrySS Tenn. Yeah I want the pick to be Berry, and it just so happens at this spot he CAN slip.
10. DENVER BRONCOS FROM CHICAGO BEARS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 9TH]- Tony Pike QB – Cinn. McDaniels will pick his QB of choice.
11. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 10TH]- Dez Bryant WR Ok St. Ever seen a dinosaur run routes? Look at their WR’s without this pick,
12. S.F. 49ERS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 14TH]- Bulaga OT Iowa- $9ers may get this lucky next year since a lot of teams ahead of them have no sacks
13. HOUSTON TEXANS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 15TH]- Bruce Campbell OT- Housto may go CB here but their QB is sacked A Lot.
14. TENNESSEE TITANS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 16TH]- Golden Tate WR- although this is out of the norm, the Titans shold realize no WR’s is what hurt MCNair.
15. N.Y. JETS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 13TH]- Taylor Mays FS USC If the Raiders don’t do it the Jets will. Ryan will be rubbin’ one off thinking of Mays after a QB.
16. MIAMI DOLPHINS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 12TH]- CJ Spiller RB Clem.
17. PITTSBURGH STEELERS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 19TH]- T Cody NT Ala. the Steelers will luck out if he is here.
18. ATLANTA FALCONS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 20TH]- Joe Haden CB FLo.
19. BALTIMORE RAVENS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 21ST]- R McClain ILB Ala. Finally Lewis’s replacement is here, Ray will mold him before e goes.
20. N.Y. GIANTS (7-5) [PREVIOSULY 18TH]-E Royster P State RB-Giants need 3 RB’s obviously
21. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 17TH]- Sam Bradford – Sorry Tebow
22. GREEN BAY PACKERS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 24TH]-Trent Williams OT Okla. That many sacks requires a new OLman
23. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 26TH]- Toby Gerhardt RB Stanford, goaline issues solved and an instant hit in FFLeagues
24. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 23RD]- Johnathan Dwyer RB GT
25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS FROM DENVER BRONCOS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 22ND]- Ciron Black
26. DALLAS COWBOYS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 28TH]- Brandon Spikes ILB Flo.
27. ARIZONA CARDINALS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 25TH]- Mike Pouncey G
28. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS (9-3) [PREVIOUSLY 27TH]- Sergio kindle OLB
29. CINCINNATI BENGALS (9-3) [HELD]- B Lafell WR LSU
30. MINNESOTA VIKINGS (10-2) [HELD]-Tim Tebow QB
31. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS (11-0) [HELD]- Patrick Robinson CB FSU
32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (11-0) [HELD- Earl Thomas SS Tex.
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Lol @ Locker feeling right at home in Cleveland
after they sacked Ben 8 times they might actually skip on Suh or McCoy and blame Quinn and take a QB. Better for us. That throws everything out of wack from my draft.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
i see the raiders
taking taylor mays lol
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 10, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
also
there is absolutely no way the jags dont take tebow. theres even a report that owners have allowed tebow to slip all the way to the jaguars with their 19-20 pick to save the franchise
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 10, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
I think that report is bull
Just because its too early for any of those deals to be brokered.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
I made a mistake I thought I had Clausen used and I didn't will reup
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Man.
I know it’s been said before by many people, but if the 49ers can end up with Berry and Bulaga, it wouldn’t matter how the rest of the draft went. Heck, if the 49ers ended up with those two, I’d hope that McCloughan would shop the second and/or third round picks for future picks.
I am with except on shopping the picks
We still need help at Guard and need to bring in YOUNG talent at CB or more depth at another position. Trading picks this year has to be out of the mix. Unless it’s for TB’s first rounder ot STL, and of course the Browns
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Team still needs another starting caliber guard and punt returner. Not to mention no kind of depth at ILB.
I'm not necessarily...
… pushing the trading of both picks, but I’m suggesting they should be open to looking at getting another future #1 out of the second rounder or maybe a future second rounder out of the third rounder.
Obviously, if there is a player they can get at their pick where the drop-off between him and someone they can pick with their next pick is significant, go for it. However, I’m of the opinion that starting guards can still be had in the third round.
As for depth at ILB, McKillop will be another year older next season (in his second season, no less). He’s supposedly being groomed to take over for Spikes, and with Spikes still on the roster, the 49ers have three ILBs.
I’m the guy running the “4 1st round picks in 2011” campaign. My goal is by 2014 or 2015 the 49ers will have all 32 1st round picks.
I’m ready to sell on McKillop. He looks like a good special teams player but not a viable LB but I’ve been wrong quite often before.
Wrong.
As have I. It’s what makes these discussions interesting. Wouldn’t be fun if bignerd was right all the time!
I just like the prospect of perpetually having two first round picks every year. The team is already taking two “should be” starters this season. Selling the second round pick shouldn’t be a travesty by any means.
Needless to say, I wouldn’t be upset if the pick were used on a useful player, at least. OG, CB, OLB, or NT are all acceptable. I just hope they don’t draft another 3-4 DE anywhere in the draft.
If Hughes falls
He is considered top 10 level talent in some Mocks. The only problem for him… Not very many teams per draft need 3-4 rush OLBs and he’s not big enough to be a 4-3 DE.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:39 AM PST up reply actions
Not very many teams per draft need 3-4 rush OLBs
Not necessarily true. If said OLB has some decent coverage ability, he will be taken early and often. It’s one of the rarest commodities in the NFL draft.
If the (undersized) player is purely a rush player, then he is not worth a top 10 pick, and I doubt he’d be rated as a top 10 player.
I am all for if we can trade all our 2n thru 7th round picks for the next two years for
All of the 32 first round picks in 2012. Of course that can’t happen, and also, the world is going to end.. but other than that…. looks like good long term planning
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I say give McKillop another year or two. Not all guys can be Cushing or Laurinaitis right away. We got him in like the 5th round. I think if nothing else at some point through hard work and conditioning we can at least make him worthy of a 3rd rounder in trade.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:37 AM PST up reply actions
Negatron.
Jerry Hughes might still be there in the second. All depends on if he has a Suh-esque game against Boise. If he goes nuts I think there is a good chance he goes to the Pats at the end of the first… If not maybe he falls to us. That would be incredible value for a 2nd round pick. One of the most talented guys in the draft falling to us due to the fact that he’s pigeonholed to a position only several of half the teams in the NFL need.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
Hell
If Hughes does go off and we have to package our 2nd and 3rd rounder both to jump in front of the Pats I say go for it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
the only way we can get eric berry imo
is if we were to trade clements+our own pick to the chiefs for their pick, maybe even on draft day if need be. and this is impossible anyway.
clements because the chiefs need secondary help, and if we were to pay his salary for a few years if might make it better.
to be honest i am happy that eric berry isn’t going to go to us most likely. people seemed to go crazy over the walter football draft last week and used it as fact.
could bulaga and haden fall to us?
also, the only way we would get spiller is if we were to trade frank gore for picks without a doubt. we won’t take him if we still have gore.
heres a miracle for you: trade gore to a team high on the draft list, like the redskins or raiders or someone.
we would then have 3 first round picks (i consider gore a first round pick type RB) and could get berry, bulaga, and then maybe trade off the other pick
but there is 100% no way we trade gore. so what has this shown us?
we will not be getting berry or spiller lol
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 10, 2009 8:58 PM PST reply actions
Wait a minute
I can tell you why this makes no sense, and I will. Frankly you have a team in the Chiefs that have a 63 million dollar QB that has been sacked 40 times and it’s week 13 and they don’t get to the Qb they are at the bottom of the league in sacks for, and the pick is secondary? Scot Pioli is the GM and The HC is an offensive guy so please believe they will not take berry that high. maybe if they win some games, but that isn’t ikely. After the performance of Quinn he will end up in Denver and Berry may go there, but please, please, come with a more solid argument. FYI Haden is projected as the best corner but he isn’t and we wouldn’t take him that early, our safeties are a bigger issue than our CB’s!
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i guess its more of a pick your poison with the chiefs then
we may not know until after the season and after free agency starts until we know if we really have a chance at eric berry
Haden is projected as the best corner but he isn’t and we wouldn’t take him that early, our safeties are a bigger issue than our CB’s![/quote]what safety besides eric berry is worth taking with our first round picks which will likely be a top 10 and a top 15?
many say earl thomas is the 2nd best but that hes not worth a pick until high second/late first round
is our only other option to TRADE UP since we obviously need safety help?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say Earl Thomas is worth a top 15
Last year he had 70 tackles, 4 FF and 2 INTs
This year hes had 60 tackles, 1 FF, 8 INTs and took 2 to the house
Don’t know how that’s not worth a top 15 pick.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
When you are a nobody teams don't plan their offense away from you
I don’t know how good he is, but the numbers are impressive and the longhorns have turned out some good DB’s.
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I won't argue he's a risk
But he is a stud athlete. The combine will determine his worth. He is smart enough to know that he’s had 2 great seasons in a row and its time to use that to go to the NFL. He even said people go to college so they can make money later in life. I’ve set myself up for that. If my advisers tell me I’m going in the 1st round I’ve accomplished what I came to college to do. People might think thats money hungry, I think that’s a kid thats serious about life and serious about his business and he knows what his business is. Busting his ass to play football.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
The combine will determine his worth
Wrong. His play in the NFL will determine his worth. In which I think he will be mediocre at best. Thomas will be a late 1st early 2nd. He can say anything he wants and his advisors can advise all they want but the bottom line is how well will he do in the big leagues all money talks aside. Mark my words,,,Thomas will be average.
“people go to college so they can make money later in life. I’ve set myself up for that. If my advisers tell me I’m going in the 1st round I’ve accomplished what I came to college to do.”
That is a Jamarcus Russell attitude if I have ever heard one.
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Because when people get taken out of college
the scouts take a time machine to the future to judge 5 years worth of stats and then go back to the past and decide their draft status. The combine determined Vernon Davis’ worth and it will determine Earl Thomas.
Because having 60 tackles 8 INT’s 2 for TD’s and being judged by numerous scouts as being good enough in coverage to play corner (just like Berry!) isn’t good enough
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 3:24 AM PST up reply actions
7 of those INT’s came against crappy teams.
Personally I think that Stuckey and Jones are better than Thomas. Alot of Thomas’ plays were created by a great front 7. I see your reasoning in trying to maybe have positive outlook if Berry is gone…but Thomas is not as good as he is being talked about.
Worth: Okay where he is picked and what he is worth are 2 completely different things. Worth = value Draft slot does not = value
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Chief would trade the pick
It’s a QB draft and Chiefs would have no immediate need guy at that pick. There are probably 5-6 teams desperate for a QB, the #6 pick is the perfect sale. I’d honestly just write trade on the KC pick and fill in the QB. The Chiefs probably want 3 picks in the top 45 and someone would give them 2 for 1.
This is a good point
But I think there is a good chance they could take Okung if he falls to them or Barry. If they are gone there is no reason to stick around at 5 when teams need QBs.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 11, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
I think they need an OL
40 sacks in 13 games, LOLine, right?
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OL
I think they definitely need OL, but if someone wants a QB bad enough that’s available at #6, I think the Cheifs seriously have to consider it. They need more than just an offensive lineman over the next few years. If they could pick up another team’s first in addition to another pick later in the draft (or even next season’s draft), they’d have to consider it.
That's what the Patriots did before.
I bet Pioli will have one or two players wirth that pick and will trade dwon if they aren’t there.
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and remember Okung is really the only olineman in the draft worth a top 10 pick. If detroit takes him then cheifs will go to plan b.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 11, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
That is true
But I think their HC believes he can mitigate the pass rush issues with better QB and WR play like he did Arizona. I haven’t watched a lot Chiefs games this season but one theme I keep hearing every week is their WR just cannot get open, so I assuming a good percentage of those 40 sacks are coverage sacks . . . that’s my case.
I agree with you on the pick trading if they don't get exactly who they want.
I honestly cannot fathom the Chiefs taking a DB when their offense is almost last in passing and rushing. Especially with Pioli and Haley. They will bolster the offense this draft.
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i think the nienrs will pick at #8
i feel the raiders can overtake the panthers. the raiders are 4-8 and play redskins (winnable), broncos, browns (winnable), and the ravens. i feel the panthers will lose their final 4 and go 5-11, raiders 6-10.
the titans will beat the rams, seahawks, and dolphins to finish 8-8
bills will beat the chiefs and go 5-11. this would tie them with the panthers, but bills pick sooner because of the SOS (panthers is really hard)
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 10, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions
Carolina's final four is horrible for them and great for us
NE, NO, NYG and Min
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
The Panthers almost clipped the Saints the 1st time around. I wouldn’t be surprised if they come close to doing it again.
The only thing that concerns me about that game
is its the last game of the season. NO will probably play their starters for 1 quarter if they lose in the next 3 weeks. If they are still undefeated I think they play the starters until they’ve put the game away.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 11, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
They could beat them in one quarter though!
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I actually want to pick AFTER the Raiders
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 11, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
You know...
You’re probably right. They wouldn’t pick anybody we’d want until the 3rd round anyways
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:46 AM PST up reply actions
Of course
Berry is one of the guys with the athleticism to attract Davis’ attention. Say he runs a 4.33 at his pro day (cause I doubt Berry will do the combine)… Al being the forward thinker he will probably cream himself thinking about lining up Berry at WR and sending him an DHB streaking down the field every play.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:48 AM PST up reply actions
Raiders pick
Everyone, remember that Raider’s MLB Kirk Morrison is a free agent at the end of the year. If he doesn’t resign, I think that Rolondo McClain is the pick; especially if Suh, McCoy and Okung are off of the draft board.
McClain makes too much sense
Al Davis has to do something to excite, (enrage), his fanbase!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 10, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Well, McClain still has the measureables
~6’1 250 4.50
With you on any of those except Haden
Just don’t like the pick, I don’t think he is that good, but I didn’t get to see him play.
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thomas won’t make it to round 2. he’s the #2 at a position in high demand.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 11, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
People are big on Haden because of the measurables
He is DIESEL strong and fast. He makes mistakes cause he’s still somewhat inexperienced for his position. Like Bulaga he switched positions when he went to college. Bulaga was a TE, Haden was a QB. In watching him get toasted against Lafell alot of those were mistakes in zone that he will correct as he matures and learns the nuances of his position.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:53 AM PST up reply actions
Re: Haden
In watching him get toasted against Lafell alot of those were mistakes in zone that he will correct as he matures and learns the nuances of his position.
When? When he is a 5 year vet? No thanks…waste of a pick ESPECIALLY for one of our #1’s. When Warren and a few others that show just as much upside will be around later…cannot justify taking Haden and am completely against that pick.
If we are going for an average CB, then there’s going to be a plethra of average CB’s in free agency. We are currently rostering a few as is. We are trying to get better, not stay stuck in nuetral.
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Haden was the best player in Florida’s secondary this year, and a very good return man.
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. . . but that is the point, create that situation for the opposing team. Georgia Tech punted and kicked away from Spiller by angling & kicking short, but that strategy just gave Clemson better starting field positions. Kick to him & you hold your breath every time he touches the ball. The combo of Lee and C J will outmatch most opposing special teams. He can also help with 3rd down conversions. Alex can choose from the best mismatches with Davis, Walker, or Crabtree & still have the explosive Spiller coming out of the backfield.
Ezactly!
CJ Spiller can do so much for our team without being the starting RB. First off KR/PR we have nobody that can return kicks why not fill this need in a dramatic way. Then…. he would be a great third down back, even line him up in the slot at times. And the last thing is we all now Gore is a stud but very injury prone. CJ would gladly step up and take on the roll when gore is out. We can’t go wrong with CJ
and don’t forget he is a deep threat wide reciever when he lines up out wide. He’s faster than most corners, and he’s got great hands. IMO, he’d be as good of a reciever as morgan if he were taller.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 11, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm tellin' ya . . .
Lovin’ that CJ! Coffee and Gore are similar backs, so if Gore goes down, Coffee is there, same base CJ packages (with him also in the slot). Spiller may be too small to be the main RB, but he is a game changing threat. He was the nation’s only player this season to account for touchdowns rushing, receiving, passing, kick and punt returns. The “It factor” . . . “X factor” , , , whatever you call it, CJ Spiller would look the best in a Niner uniform!
He's not too small
He could be the #1 easily. Marshall Faulk was about the same size coming out of college and he put on about 5-10 pounds before his rookie year. Spiller is 5’11" 200 and Faulk was 5’11" 210 when playing as a #1.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
If he puts on about
5 lbs…it wouldn’t mess with his speed either. If he puts on 10, it could but not by much
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
Draft Spiller #1
. . . unless a stud drops. It there is a run of OTs, then pick BPA on DEF for the second 1st round pick. If all the top DEF guys go early, then top OLs should be available. Don’t know of any other rookie that could provide the Niners such an immediate threat. He’ll be one of the fastest at the combines (Al Davis guy?). A few more lbs will help him take the beating as a return guy & change-of-pace RB.
Way too high with our first pick.
Even if we win out and pick 15th or 16th we could still get him. The only team that might compete with us would the chiefs if they traded down 7 or 8 slots and the Jets who need weapons of any type around Sanchez and either of those teams could also go with Dez Bryant
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
Spiller will go in the Top 10 more than likely
Not 15th or 16th
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
heres my question about drafting spiller
i really dont understand why some people want to draft spiller with one of our first round picks if we still have gore on the roster.
spiller is supposed to be a team’s franchise RB, or at least a very good one for the future. we have one of those in gore, so why would we take him?
i really feel that the only way we take spiller is if we were to trade frank gore in the offseason for a high first round and third round (maybe + another player for a top first and second), sign a top free agent RB in free agency, and then take spiller.
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions
id like to have him but it is very unrealistic
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the entire point of spiller is that he doesn’t figure as a franchise #1 rb immediately. He’s not big enough and he doesn’t like running between the tackles. in the short term he would be a great change of pace from frank gore.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 11, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
He is fine running in between tackles
I have watched him all season and he has what it takes to be a #1 RB. The point about getting Spiller I think that people are making is that if you draft him now, we don’t have to worry about it later. Gore, with all the injuries, probably has a couple decent years left. We don’t want to have a lapse in RB’s so it would be wise to put some one in there like that. If Berry is gone (cause I say Berry 1st and foremost), then take Spiller with the 2nd of the 1st round picks after we take a lineman. Spiller fixes our 3rd down problems and gives us a great return man. You can do alot with him. And like I said before, when Gore fizzles out, Spiller can be a viable #1. We are seeing it now with Ladanian Tomlinson in SD right now. They have problems in their run game right now.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
Size
Also, he is the same size that Marshall Faulk was when he came in to the league….for anyone debating his size. Chris Johnson is about the same size as well. He could possibly break the single season record for rushing. So I have a hard time with the “size” debate on Spiller
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
trading gore issue
i know im getting hung up on this topic but all the things you just brought up, drew, make me think about a trade.
i mean, people keep taking about injury issues, possible decreased production based on this new offense, and “fizzling out”, yet are opposed to even the inkling of trading him. just because of his production so far.
because you (drew) seem to be very knowledgable on here, what’s your stance on trading gore?
i think right now we can definitely get a mid to top first round pick for him. maybe we could do a trade where we trade our highest first round and maybe a player to a team in the top 5 (like a clements + high to the chiefs which takes away a bit of their need for secondary help) if we know eric berry will be gone? then we will have 3 first round picks, and we of course would have had to sign a top FA RB to replace gore? a team like the redskins might even be a better decision because of their screwy RB situation
its really hypothetical but i am trying to look at the positives of this thing
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Trading Gore
I am totally opposed to trading Gore for picks right now and here’s why:
The first reason kind of goes with the philosophy of don’t quit your job before you find a new one. If you are trying to build a franchise, you don’t get rid of your star player until you are sure you have another in place. The teams that have been successful in having dynasties have always had good #2 guys to step in and perform as if they were the #1 guys if a guy was hurt or something like that. So with the Spiller scenario for instance, you have a guy that could potentially be a franchise player. If it just so turns out that he is, then you have another “star player” in Gore to use as trade bait to continue to stack your roster full of newer younger talent.
The second reason is this; Gore is not on the downward side of his career. Not yet anyway. He has a solid couple more years left. But to extend his shelf life, you have to get some one in there now so that when you do trade him, you have a steady #1 veteran in place. Again this goes back to building a dynasty. If you continue this process and make good enough selctions each year it becomes a recycled process and your chances of building a dynasty increase. It’s obviously more complicated than this though and there are more details to consider but if you take a look at any of the dynasty teams, they did used that philosophy very well. 70’s Steelers, 80’s Niners, and the 90’s Cowboys, etc…
The reason you don’t do the scenario that you suggested with the 3 first round pick thing is because then you are replacing a veteran with an unproven rookie who may or may not be a 1st round bust. It goes back to the philosophy I gave in the beginning. If you are in a position to upgrade, say for instance if Glen Coffee was already a stud and we knew that for sure, then yeah, something like that (trading Gore) makes a whole lot of sense. Otherwise probably not a great idea. So even with the Clements idea I’d say i personally would pass on that too. Spencer and Clements will be decent enough if they can get some solid help from the safeties (whoever they may end up being next year).
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
+1 for the reply
but i did say that we would have to sign a top or THE top FA RB available to replace gore, like leon washington or, less probably, chester taylor or someone like that
and how do you figure that spiller and gore can BOTH be stars in the future? RB isnt a position like WR where you can have 2+ stars on the team… i mean how can gore and spiller both become studs if at best they would alternate every play?
just wondering.
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Sure you can have both for a couple years
It’s the same things the Rams did when they phased Marshall Faulk out and brought in Steven Jackson.
There has been plenty of teams that have had RB tandoms and some that even presently do. Bo Jackson/ Marcus Allen… Thurman Thomas/ Kenneth Davis…Tiki Barber/ Ron Dayne…Larry Czonka/ Mercury Morris…Mike Bell/ Pierre Thomas/ Reggie Bush…the list goes on and on. There’s probably a ton more; but just to throw a few examples out there.
Anyhow, there could still be a little bit of value there in a couple years if we hung on to Gore until then. Maybe not as much as now…but like I mentioned. You gotta have something there before you let something go.
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I don't think many teams would trade for Gore
He’s been somewhat injury prone and a significant portion of his yards this year have come on runs of 80, 80, 64 and 42. This might not make sense… You can’t knock the guy for that… but at the same time you can. You look at his production without those and its mediocre at best. If we could trade him for a high pick i’d be ok with it. I’d want him to go to a good team because he’s been an upstanding member of the organization I just don’t see many wanting him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily a bust
I never thought too much of him in college either. He may develop into a serviceable back but I never thought he’d be a star.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Top 10? Really . . . ?
Who do you see taking him? Draft Tek has CLV, SEA and CIN as the teams having the biggest need at Change of Pace RB. It’ll be a shock if CLV took CJ with their 1st and SEA’s Fossett looked good to me against the Niners. That leaves CIN with the same OL need as SF. It seems that the Niners have a good chance of picking before AND after CIN. With the depth at OL and if the elite DEF guys are off the board, 49rs are positioned to snag Spiller & still address the OL.
An offensive weapon like CJ Spiller indirectly helps the DEF.
by Flyin' Taco on Dec 12, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry . . .
You had projected KC . . . have CJ blinders on. Agree more with a OT pick for their 1st round (or a bigger RB).
by Flyin' Taco on Dec 12, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
A Dynamic player like Spiller
could be too good to pass up for KC… especially if they make a push for some FA linemen. They could also go with Dez Bryant possibly. They just don’t have any play makers on their offense with exception to maybe Bowe. That’s why I put Spiller there. Projecting some FA pickups before the draft.
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exactly
some people have said we would take him over bulaga but no way unless we trade gore
i bet we have the mock all figured out then on draft day right before the raiders pick we hear goodell:
“there has been a trade. the san francisco 49ers have traded frank gore and nate clements to the oakland raiders for nnamdi asomugha and the raiders first round pick. they use the pick to select eric berry” lol
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2009 5:53 PM PST reply actions
We would make the Super Bowl
Our secondary would be ridiculous, then we draft Bulaga and we have 2 elite level tackles on the team then Jerry Hughes. With the team we’d have at that point Free Agents would be falling all over themselves to come to the 9ers. It would be like Deion when he signed a $1M contract so he could win a SB
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
NEW PLAN
what do you guys think we should do if we sign a top OT in FA, like marcus mcneil level? do we still draft bulaga?
or should we get someone like spiller, tate, or BPA and then trade him or something?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions
McNeil is too expensive
with the level and amount of OT talent coming out this year. There are 3 potential elite tackles, (4 if you count how Williams performed as a RT and consider that maybe its just taking him a while to adapt to LT). Okung is almost guaranteed top 5 or 6 this year. Bulaga if he returned for another year would be top 5 next time around and Bruce Campbell is another talent thats right in the top 10 area.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve heard a lot of variation in opinions about the quality of this tackle class. I personally don’t think its that great. picking up a free agent who is a sure thing makes a lot of sense. Would we pay mcneil left tackle money to play right tackle tho?
by hellaninersfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
McNeil
won’t be too expensive. The Niners have probably the most Cap room in the NFL. Even if there is not a new CBA in place before 2010 season, the Niners will have all that extra money to persue McNeil…of course that all depends on how baad the want to persue him.
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A 2 time Pro Bowl LT
??? He’ll command 40 million at least.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
On a 5 year deal or so right?
Thats roughly 8 mill a year. Do you know how far under the cap we are? Like 53 million… so that would bring to what? 45 million under? Isaac Bruce will be gone too so that clears up even more. We could easily afford him if a new CBA is in place. That is the key issue there though.
That’s not a huge deal to give him that type of money when you are that far under the cap.
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+1
are people oblivious to the idea that it takes money to make a great team? we are currently over $50M under the cap and only need a few pieces to make our team a true contender. EVERY SINGLE NINERS FAN know that we need an o-line, and if we can get a top FA o-lineman (if they even let him go, which i doubt) and can afford it by leaps and bounds, they dont want to do it because of the cost?
battle, bruce, roman at least are gone. maybe dre bly as well.
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
We also have to resign P. Willis and Vernon Davis coming up
We have 8 Million a year and growing against the cap from Clements. Willis is going to command close to 10 million a year as the #1 or 2 LB in the NFL. VD is the #1 or 2 TE… another 6 to 8 million per year. Plus Alex’s Contract… Franklin’s raise… We’re not gonna be that far under pretty soon.
I’d rather have Bulaga at 4 million per than McNeill at 8+ Million per. There is no guarantee that McNeill won’t go looking for a 6 year 60 Mill either. If somebody wants him bad enough they’ll pay it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Only there is no gaurantee that Bulaga will be any good
There is however with McNeil. I’d rather pay extra for the sure thing
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I go along with this thought.
If the 49ers can get a pro bowl LT that would solidify the front line… assuming they also get a serviceable OG. That would make Alex Smith better, and Frank Gore better right off.
Getting a OT in the draft is good but it takes time for them to get up to NFL speed and learn the NFL ways. Personally i would love for us to sign McNeil and draft someone like Bulaga. Then you have a backup OT who can play both sides and has a ton of potential.
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I think that we should sign a guard like Daryn Colledge and draft a tackle, simply because Bulaga and Co. won’t demand nearly as much as McNeil. He could possibly ask for a Clements type contract, which would not be in the best interest of the team.
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College is too old
He is in his 30’s and we don’t need another Pashos incident.
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He's 27
http://www.packers.com/team/players/colledge_daryn/
I doubt he leaves the Packers though
by abasketballfan on Dec 12, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I must be thinking about someone else
Yeah they will keep the OL intact.
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Especially since Colledge is fairly versatile
and can play most any position on the line.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
It's the guaranteed that would be expensive
I’d have no problems paying him 40 million over 5 years. I would have issues with paying him 15-20 million guaranteed which is what he’d be asking for.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Why would you have issues paying him the guaranteed? To me, he’s worth every cent that he asks for. Especially considering our issues. Imagine how much better this team is with him and a guy like Iupati or Pouncey at LG. Alex could actually start taking more snaps under center more often. Play action, Gore all those things start to factor back in
Always use spel cheker
yes he is worth every cent
like i said, i dont understand why people want good players on this team, and say how desperately we need an o-line, yet won’t pay top 0-linemen the money they deserve
maybe we give him a longer contract, like 6 years. then we can give 20 million guaranteed
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
You both are right
After thinking about it, 20 million guaranteed isn’t bad at all. Joe Thomas makes $8.8 million per year and got $23 million guaranteed. He’s number 2 on the salary list.
Eric Steinbach is number one at just over $9 million per year. Back when he signed he got $16 million in guarantees.
I wouldn’t have any problem paying Joe Thomas money to McNeill
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I agree and that would help solidify the OL, help Gore and Smith
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Joe Thomas
Is also better than McNeill. More a statement of how good Thomas is than about McNeill though. When Thomas becomes a free agent expect a record high contract for an O lineman.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 2:33 AM PST up reply actions
What position will he play
I hear Staley wasn’t good at RT so we have two LT’s and then what.
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I believe
Staley would thrive anywhere he was placed. That may have been earlier in his career that people are refferencing. McNeil obviously is an upgrade over Staley at LT. I don’t beleive in the whole, “well he was bad over there as a rookie, so that must mean he’ll be bad over there now”. There is an adjustment period to speed, size, etc. from college to the pros…I think Staley has it figured out by now and he would do great over there if we landed McNeil
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Staley's only season at RT
was when he was a rookie, so it’s kind of hard to tell whether he would be better now or not.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
McNeil was originally drafted to be a RT
I would keep Staley at LT and move McNeil to RT. He would be an expensive RT but we need to find a dominant lineman somewhere.
by abasketballfan on Dec 12, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly what smileyman said
If you are paying big bucks like that, you are paying them for a reason. Staley would be making less money and frankly, as much as it hurts to say it, McNeil is just better over there than Staley.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
So we agree?
Sign McNeil
Draft Berry with pick 1a…
Do we still go for Bulaga with 1b for a top OT backup?
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We may draft BPA with both 1st round picks
We need a RT not a LT.
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We need the best OT available
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Which will be Bulaga
who is still young enough to easily be switched… even though he will likely be a better LT than Staley so it works either way.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Get .... Spiller/Berry/McClain/Haden
If we fill ours needs of OT in the off season I say with mix it up with these four players. Who ever is on the board, can’t go wrong with any of them, IMO.
KERRY RHODES
anyone been following this kerry rhodes story out of the jets?
apparently he is extremely unhappy with his place on the team and even tweeted that he wanted to leave (this happened yesterday, Dec 11)
they just signed him to an extension, but i say that we try a trade for him if he’s still unhappy.
anyone have an idea?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 12:21 AM PST reply actions
Kerry Rhodes?
Nah don’t want him.We need youth and 27 isn’t young enough, especially don’t want to trade for him.
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yeah i really hope we can get him
im not gonna lie i had never heard of him before yesterday, but after i read up about him, he’s probably going to be our solution at SS. and if we can get eric berry too… wow
if he really stays unhappy, maybe we COULD do a trade of clements for him, since it seems many people either dont want him back or will change his position, which he doesnt seem to want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Clements will be impossible to trade
due to his salary. We’ll have to pay for him to play on whoever we send him to
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 12, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Rhodes is one of the best. How about a deal involving Glen Coffee?
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I personally
would like to see Coffee one more year or so before we decided anything on him. He shows signs of being able to be a true runner. Catching the ball on the other hand seems like something he will need to work on more.
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But we have two 1st rounders and there are so many talented runners coming out of college- I just think that maybe we could test the trade waters
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Walter Football has Evan Royster going in the 3rd
and he’s much better than Coffee
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We don't know that yet
I like Royster…alot, but sometimes RB’s in college appear to be great and then get to the NFL and are not so much that. I could list a bunch but I am sure you could as well.
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well im not saying trade him right away- i like coffee too- but a 2.9 yard a carry avg is nothing to get excited about.
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No it's not
but I would like to see him get a few more carries this year at least to get him some more experience. The one thing I am sure about is that he doesn’t have that break away speed to break a long one. That’s a considerable problem…
I would love to see 3 solid RB’s (not Michael Robinson) on our depth chart. Coffee could fit as a #3 but in todays league you almost need to have 2 or 3 solid RB’s at any given time to be successful. Right now, we currently roster 1.
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If there is no trade, and we don’t pick up Spiller/Dwyer/Best, I believe Royster would be a steal in the 3rd, and would fit nicely as a chane-of-pace back alongside Gore and Coffee
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The hate for Coffee baffles me.
It’s pretty clear he wasn’t the problem and it’s the o-line, look how Gore has done aside from a handful of carries. Coffee has 4.5 speed and is a very strong, decisive back. Giving up on him now would be ridiculous.
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Looking at how Coffee has played behind a bad OL doesn't work
Gore can’t run well behind this line either and we know how good he is.
Fix the OL, then see how both of them play.
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all i have to say
is sign TO after he’s released
lol jk
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
they dont need coffee
with thomas jones and shonn greene
also, has clements been playing THAT BADLY that we’re now “stuck” with him? i really wish we didn’t have to cut him because he probably has third round trade value, and i’m not sure how trading works with salaries, but he might have to restructure his contract. maybe we could get him to do that this year…?
also dont forget walt harris will (should) be gone. that frees up more cap space
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Thomas Jones is in his 30’s and will likely retire soon. Shonn Greene is definately not ready to carry their run game.
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Wow
time flies…I can’t believe Thomas Jones is already in his 30’s. They will probably let Washington go. I know they will be getting another back in the draft. Maybe Royster, Dwyer or Best or someone like that.
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Which is precisely why we should pounce on any possibility of a trade w/ the Jets- if Jones doesn’t retire, he will at least experience a decline in production similar to what Portis has gone through.
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The Jets
Probably won’t be wanting to do any business with the Niners after all the accusations with the tampering stuff… I am pretty sure their FO and Owner are pretty pissed at us. The only way they make a deal, is if they are ripping us off IMO
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Uh No
The Jets are often the most desperate team in the NFL come draft day. Like every year they will probably panic over a certain player and be willing to trade with anyone to get him. The Jets aren’t rational enough on draft day to dog the 49ers.
Again maybe
but it would not surprise me if the declined a pick because of a resentment. It would have to be a real appealing offer to them IMO. I am not sure we have anything that would be that appealing to offer anyhow.
I realize business is business but sometimes that’s not always enough to wash out a bad taste in another businesses mouth.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
not this year but he will be a good back
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The thing about Clements
is that his injury was not a leg related injury. We will more than likely see him back for the last game of the season. If he doesn’t do well for that game (because it’s against the Rams) then I will have slight concerns. But also factor in an entire offseason and another camp and preseason and he may be fine again.
I like Clements and his ability to open field tackle. His coverage is enough to get him by and with safety help, his confidence in making more plays will be there. I am interested to see what happens with Walt Harris. I hope we can talk him in to a 1 year deal or something just to see where he is at.
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Clements doesn’t have top-end speed, which is why he has survived so long in the NFL with solid cover instincts and exceptional tacking skills. However, that kind of makeup doesn’t warrant #1 corner money, which is why in a sense we are stuck with him and his fat contract.
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One reason to not entertain the idea of trading for Rhodes
Is we can acquire Atogwe maybe or draft a DB. Giving up clements is ridiculous because he is essential in our run d. If we add a safety that can cover down field Clements is fine at corner.
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IF WE REALLY WANT BERRY
it may be smart if we KNOW berry will be gone to a team at #6 or 7, if we trade up our highest pick (probably panthers at around 9) plus a third round pick to that team to get berry.
if we could trade clements to a team for a third round pick (which no lie, some people have been saying can happen, maybe we even pay the rest of his guaranteed money to the team we could trade him to), our panthers pick + the extra third to the top 6 team for eric berry?
if we could do a trade with the jets for rhodes. we may even be able to get joe haden with our pick at around 10-12. or an o-lineman?
rhodes at SS, berry at FS, haden and spencer at CB? throw in a big FA signing at o-line?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions
SPILLER
people want spiller too.
what would be the limitations for us to take spiller if he were available (who would have to be gone for us to use our pick on spiller?)
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
The seahawks really need a running back, and the Texans need a goal-line back who doesn’t fumble…
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Seattle probably is the most likely taker if Spiller is available to them
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Seattle
I could equally see them going after OT or Safety as well. They have Forsett, so they may wait and get a guy like Dwyer later on
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whats your thought on my trade idea
to move up to get eric berry? could it happen? would it be smart?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
I would hate to give up a 3rd round pick and 1st for 1 first round pick. That’s giving up alot. But I think that Berry, Suh, and Okung are the closest to a sure thing in the NFL as you’re going to get. It’s an interesting concept, only I would have to say that you would absolutely have to make some offseason free agent acquisitions.
ItBurnz and I actually (surprisingly) agree on this:
Clements will be impossible to trade due to his salary. We’ll have to pay for him to play on whoever we send him to
It just does not make any sense financially.
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I don’t think the 49ers would do something like that, considering that we have more pressing needs than safety. Plus, Clements won’t be going anywhere with that fat contract of his.
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really?
all this jizzing over getting eric berry, how it would be the greatest pickup for us in the draft, etc, yet you wouldnt trade a pick to get him?
i only said IF ITS 100% SURE HE WILL BE GONE to a team like the chiefs or someone. i know the mock drafts saying he will go to us have distorted some people’s thoughts, but i feel that if we know he will be gone to a team 3-4 picks below us and we can trade our first + a third for it, i say we do it
would hate to give up a 3rd round pick and 1st for 1 first round pick.[/quote]we’re really only giving up a third round pick though because we would be moving the panthers pick up.
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
typo
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
grrr i cant do this right
I would hate to give up a 3rd round pick and 1st for 1 first round pick.
it would be moving our panthers pick up so we’re really only giving up a third round for him
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sign a world class sprinter and trade him to the Raiders. It probably might work.
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What you're proposing is to trade
Clements and the 12th pick for the 6th? No team will ever take that deal.
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no
panthers are projected to have the 8th-9th pick. if the team at #6-7 take him, we would be trading the #8-9 pick + a third round #70 or so for berry
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
would you want Nate Clements in exchange for a 3rd round pick?
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what are you talking about?
im not at all saying anything about nate clements. i said:
trade OUR TOP FIRST ROUND PICK and OUR THIRD ROUND PICK for the top 6 for berry if we know he’s gone
i assumed that the possibility to trade clements is gone
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
First of all, you suggested that we trade Clements for a 3rd, so I assumed that was what you were talking about. Sorry. But there will be some very good players in the 3rd- possible steals even- that would be available to us if we keep the pick. But I guess Berry is worth it.
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Well how valuable is a safety to our playoff hopes, even one as good as Berry? I understand how much you want Berry, but a offensive lineman is just as important. If you really want to strengthen the secondary, draft Joe Haden, a blazing fast corner with excellent cover and return skills, and draft Bulaga with the 2nd 1st round pick.
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Joe Haden
is crap… I hate that pick. He will be an average CB. And more importantly he won’t be able to be an immediate contributor
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I respectfully decline. Watch some Haden clips on Youtube, and you’ll see why taking Haden is like killing 2 birds with one stone.
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You mean these clips?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI984aFuo28&feature=related
Yeah I have seen enough of Haden to know I don’t want him. He is going to be more of a liability and project than make an immediate impact.
Haden = 2nd most overrated player in the draft besides Tim Tebow
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and theyre both from florida
look at that!
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
so drew
who then do you think we should take with our 2 first round picks if we weren’t going to get haden?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Who do you want to take, then?
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For what and where?
Our 1st 2? Or in general?
I could come up with probably 1000 different scenarios…so there is alot of contengencies and possibilities. Alot has to do with the CBA as well.
So give me a scenario and I’ll tell you what I would do.
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well then drew
who do you expect us to take? every single mock draft i’ve seen has haden as the top CB in the draft and if we need dire secondary help, how do we expect to get that in the top 15 if the #1 CB prospect, according to you, will only be average?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
but you are giving up a pick…a high one at that. It’s kind of important to keep all of your picks when you aren’t a solid team. That’s why I mentioned in that scenario that we would have to get some key acq’s before the draft. Otherwise, just doing it without them doesn’t make sense to me. It’s all contengent on us being able to get some Oline help in the FA market. A 3rd round pick coud esily be spent on a high quality guard or something like that
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I propose that we take Daryn Colledge in FA, take Haden and Bulaga in the 1st, take a pass rusher like Jerry Hughes in the 2nd, and either Royster or Kyle Wilson, cornerback out of Boise State.
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i only brought up the trade
because everyone is acting like getting berry would be such a miracle, would make them jizz, would make this team’s defense unbelievable, etc
so i dont see why getting a player like berry, who people are calling already NFL ready, will be a multiple pro bowler, etc for a third round pick won’t be worth it. sure we need o-line help…
i guess it all is determined by FA though
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Though I think he is alot more. The most surehanded back in the draft is Gerhart
So if the Texans want a surehanded goalline back he’s it. According to his stats he’s never fumbled in the ball in college.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 2:38 AM PST up reply actions
Who would be gone . . .
. . . is the name of the game! Unfortunately, our beloved Niners could use help at a number of positions. The offensive line may need both T and G. On the D line, the NT is crucial to the 3-4 so an elite back up would not hurt. A stud pass rushing DE or OLB would help, although maybe the next few games will answer if a OLB is needed. You could also argue that the Niner primary need is for a speedy shut down DB. The names at the different positions are depended on your opinion. To me, if given the chance I would take the player that would have the potential to make the most immediate impact, C J Spiller.
It would be sweet if Al Davis passed on him, too!!!
I'm not buying in such statements
It’s way to early for such statements. Crabtree was drafted at #10, Andre Smith at #5, Laurinaitis wasn’t even a 1st round pick and Tyson Jackson went #3 while Mark Sanchez went #5.
if we are so desperate for o-line help and secondary help
why are people bringing up CJ spiller?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions
Assumptions that it will be addressed via free agency
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If you get a player like McNeil in FA
and Spiller and Berry with the 1st two (dream scenario of course) then that immediatley put’s 3 all-stars on your team and addresses all the 3 of the major areas. Oline, Seconday (Safety positions weakest), and Special Teams and RB on 3rd’s. It fixes alot
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McNeil has been paid the rookie minimum for the duration of his career, which is why he probably wants to upgrade big-time, and barring a franchise tag, McNeil will sign a massive multi-year deal worth 8-10 million a year. Plus, I’m not sure it’s appropriate to call Spiller a Pro Bowler just yet (see Coffee, Glen)
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once again
calling berry a “dream scenario” yet you wouldnt give a third for him
i still dont understand the spiller option. if we have gore and coffee, yet you want to keep both, why would we take another RB?
what is coffee’s trade value? the “dream scenario” is berry/spiller. if we will draft spiller, we need to trade coffee
if he’s worth a third rounder (im not sure of his value) or if we can get a third rounder for someone else (maybe a clements/coffee for a third rounder or something idk), i say we give up the first and third for berry
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
calling berry a "dream scenario" yet you wouldnt give a third for him
I did not say I was opposed. I said that we would need to address other positions in FA first; which in that scenario I did
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what is coffees current trade value
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
For a pick?
That’s a good question… maybe what he was drafted at…a 3rd? Maybe a 4th
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I would definitely give a 3rd for Berry.
Are you kidding me? He’s the next Ed Reed. Maybe it is a good idea if we deal Coffee, but then we would need to draft a backup, preferably a change-of-pace back like Royster, or maybe Toby Gerhart.
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Trade up? why not
with such a talent like that I think it would be worth it to make sure he becomes a 49er
ah… but we also need to fix our guard situation, sign/draft a WR to help our passing game, sign an effective pass rusher to free up Parys Haralson and Justin Smith, sign an inside linebacker if Takeo Spikes retires…
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…sign a kick/punt returner, sign a kicker if Nedney retires, sign a backup QB if Shaun Hill leaves via free agency…
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That's what you take in the 2nd and 3rd
with that scenario. WR’s are fine. Morgan, Crabtree, Walker, and Davis are all we really need. One more year of chemsitry with Alex and we will be fine.
I have confidence in Brooks and possibly Briggs and I think Sing does also. And are you already giving up on Scotty McKillop? I think he has shown a ton of upside when he’s been in there. Reminds me of a young Romanowski.
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WR's cont'd
Plus Hill and Jones are going to be fantastic backups for Crabs and Morgan.
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I haven't
the front office has.
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Jones is not a good WR, which is why I actually believe it would be good if we signed a reciever alongside Crabs, maybe even Vincent Jackson.
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How do you know Jones is not a good WR?
You have not seen him play enough to make that call. I watched him at Oklahoma and Tennessee and I happen to think otherwise.
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He catches passes that to most are not catchable
Did you see the 2 catches last week? The second one was thrown way behind him and he still came up with it. That is what I am used to seeing from him
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Yeah I agree
He is not good for that. That’s just a bad coaching decsion there. He only did it 3 times in college or something close to that
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Would you rather have Brandon Jones?
Or Vincent Jackson? Plus, how do you know that I haven’t seen enough of Jones? Or is this some kind of 13 year old bias, perchance?
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13 year old bias?
Good call…
Vince Jackson will be tagged… He won’t be available…so that’s like saying, Would you rather have Peyton Manning or Alex Smith? It’s just not reasonable.
I know you haven’t seen enough of Jones because (A) he hasn’t played enough this year and (B) If you had, you would not have that opinion. I followed him since he was a freshman in college and in to the NFL. I have seen some of the brilliant catches he has made. So judging by your comments, it’s safe to say you have not seen enough of him.
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True. I didn’t even like football until 2 years ago.
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romo? oh no!
not saying he wasn’t a fearsome presence on the field, but I don’t think the 49ers need a raging roid-head on the squad.
i speculate maybe we add coffee + cash for a third rounder if necessary
heres my dream offseason:
1. take a top/a few o-lineman. try with all our might to get mcneil away from the chargers. THROW MONEY AT HIM
2. trade coffee + cash if necessary for a third round pick. god knows we have enough cash
3. trade up to get eric berry if we know he will be gone. trade our panthers pick (around 8-9) up a few spots + our highest third round pick (since we now have 2) to the team in the top 6 for berry.
4. draft cj spiller. if he wont fall to us, trade up somehow. this fixes our backup RB and KR/PR problem
5. go pass rush in second round
6. draft whatever else we need in round 3-7
7. ???
8. PROFIT
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions
AMEN!
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anyone have any thoughts on my offseason?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I like anything that involves
getting: McNeil, Berry, and Spiller. Although obtaining all three of those players are going to be nearly impossible. If the Niners can pull that off somehow, Jed York will be considered this years genius for the 2010 Offseason. Honestly, if we could get those players and get a couple decent prospects for the guard positions as well in the later rounds… I would be stoked beyond stoked. Agsin though, it’s nice to have a dream scenario but rarely (if ever) do things work out like that.
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Tryin’ to hang with ya, Clutch . . .
RE your Offseason . . . for what it’s worth . . .
1. Going UFA shopping for OL seems like a "will happen."
2. Trading Coffee makes me nervous because of Gore’s past injuries (unless CJ is your #1 RB).
3. Trading up for a "maybe get" Berry seems a little rough. This draft seems deep in needed positions & there’s a chance of another a "Crabtree drop."
4. You know I (heart) C J
5. Maybe the passing rushing OLB has already been answered
If’n you are right, I’m with ya!
bp. Trading Coffee makes me nervous because of Gore’s past injuries
trade gore now while we still get top value! lol
sign a top FA RB, get a first and third for gore, keep coffee, trade up to get berry if we know he will be gone
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Here is a great link from wiki
for anyone who is interested in learning more about how the draft actually works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft
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Mark Ingam Heisman Winner
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Booooo…..
Second biggest cope out this college season since the Boise St. v. TCU bowl game.
by Hoopers Judge on Dec 12, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
I was hoping for Suh
but was not dissapointed with the decision
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What about Alex boone at RT?
What’s the story with him?
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I wouldn't hand him the position going into 2010
Normally there are reasons why someone goes undrafted. He doesn’t appear all that agile. I’d keep him around for next year and see if he can beat someone out for a backup job. If he accomplishes that, in the case of injury, I would give him a chance to prove himself.
by abasketballfan on Dec 12, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
SO no update on him?
I figure he wouldn’t be starting material next season if he can’t make the team now!
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Anybody seen Dan Williams from Tennesse play?
He’s having a good year. NFLdraftcountdown put him on top of its hotlist. Might make for a good 2nd rd option. I would prefer him over using a 1st rd pick on Cody.
here’s the link:
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/HotList/Hot-List.php
Just saying . . .
CJ Spiller Mark Ingram
Total TDs # 7 # 11
K/O Return TD # 1 (tie) N/A
K/O return average # 2 N/A
Punt return average # 1 N/A
just saying
Mark Ingram carried his ofense just like Spiller, and Ingram’s team is undefeated. Every team he faced needed to stop Ingram and he still produced in the NCAA’s strongest defensive conference. Big stage? Hw did Ingram Do in the SEC championship? Production.
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Better teammates and team in Alabama
But I think that is the point you were making
Had Spiller played for Texas or Florida (like he was supposed to), then he would have got it hands down
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I hope we can add Derrick Morgan
We have a stout front 3, but only against the pass, and Sapoaga’s resigning IMO was premature. He has produced this year but he has struggled in the pass rush. Derrick Morgan is like a Darnell Dockett, he is quick off the ball and solid in Pass rush and Run D. Bet the Patriots take him!!
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I like Morgan
he is a beast…but he may go late in the 1st and we may not be able to get him. Plus, like you said, Sopoaga got resigned so I doubt FO will go there unless it’s later on. BUT, and this could be a big factor, Balmer just had to have surgery and may not be able to even return to his subpar play.
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What about Carlos Dunlop, DE??
He is supposed to be a stud. His board value may drop because of his DUI (?), but he should be available for the 49r 1st round picks. Singletary can do his VD magic on him and turn him into an All Pro!
by Flyin' Taco on Dec 12, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Dunlap is a lazy
drunk bust waiting to happen
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 2:51 AM PST up reply actions
Morgan looked better than all the DE's projected to go above him
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New Thread for Offseason Discussions Open
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/12/12/1198245/official-updated-nn-offseason
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