Official Updated NN Offseason Discussion Thread (12/13) ...Continued
by Drew Kerr on Dec 12, 2009 9:35 PM PST
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FOOCH'S NOTE: Consider this our current Official thread for draft and offseason discussion
With Week 13 now in the books and our playoff dreams seemingly down the drain, we can now move forward to Week 14 and hope for some Monday Night Football revenge. Last year I was in attendance at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, AZ to see us lose by literally a foot. As dissapointed as I was, it was still one of the single most exciting games I have ever watched in person. To avenge last years loss would be a sweet victory this coming weekend after last weekends deflating loss. Being that we're out, this is the last game of the year that I really care about winning.
Now that our playoff aspirations are what they are, the offseason discussions have moved in to the next gear. Some were reluctant to dive in to the topic because there was still a chance but I think that the conversations will increase from here on.
This week smileyman and I will take a look at the TE's and OT's that will be entering the draft and free agency. The 49ers are in desperate need of some help on our offensive line. Although the last few games the desperation has slowly been going away in that department, our infamous LOLine has not been as so LOL and actually played pretty decent for the most part. Considering that factor though, it is my opinion that this will still need to be addressed if nothing else but for depth.
Originally we were going to do this post once every week but as it turns out, the posts are filling up more quickly than anticipated. Thanks to rlott#42 for taking the initiative in creating a new one to get us through for a couple days. We will now be watching the comment count very closely to make sure that we get a new one up at about 300-350 comments or so to keep things fresh and more easy to follow.
TOP 5 NCAA TIGHT ENDS
For TE's I did just want to mention that currently we only have 2 active TE's on the roster in Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker. Brit Miller can play some TE but has been slotted in the FB position behind Moran Norris on the depth chart. The only other TE we have on the team is Joe John Finley which is currently helping the prep team on the practice squad.
1. Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma)
6'6" and 261 pounds of solid muscle, this kid is the most well rounded TE in the nation. His blocking is better than some college offensive guards and thanks to his past basketball experience his ability to catch passes out of the TE position is remarkable. There are not many flaws in Gresham's game and he is, hands-down, bar-none, the best TE to come out of the NCAA in quite some time. Comparison's have been made to the great Keith Jackson of the Philadelpia Eagles and coincidently he came out of Oklahoma as well. He will go in the 1st round late I am guessing just due to the fact that there is so much other talent. His career stats with the Sooners are: 111 Rec, 1,629 Yds, and 29 TD's.
2. Ed Dickson (Oregon)
Dickson is your prototypical TE in size...however, he is a bit faster than your protypical TE. He is an excellent receiver but at times has not been the best at blocking. We all know that Vernon Davis had his troubles with blocking when he first came in to the league but has since turned it around in to being the best blocking and receiving TE's in the league. In no way do I think he will be as good as VD but sometimes shows flashes of brilliance. He will be an interesting one to watch the development on in the NFL. He could go mid 2nd to mid 3rd round. Career stats are: 124 Rec, 1557 Yds, and 12 TD's
3. Aaron Hernandez (Florida)
6'2" 250 LBS, Hernandez was one of Tim Tebow's best friends this season. In just this season Hernandez managed to catch 59 passes and gained 739 yards with 4 TD's. Not bad for a TE eh? Hernandez is mostly considered to be a receiving TE in so many ways. His blocking is about on par with where a college TE's should be but may not be enough for the Pro's initially. It is definitely something that could be worked on. If he is successful, he has the potential to become one of the elite TE's in the NFL. It is difficult to predict where Hernandez may go in the draft, but I assume it will be 2nd or 3rd round. If he drops to the 4th, someone will be very pleased. He finished at Florida with 102 career receptions, 1,271 total receiving yards, and 11 TD's.
4. Anthony McCoy (USC)
McCoy is a defensive back abuser. Plain and simple... after he catches a pass, he turns in to the Terminator setting his sights on whatever defensive back he feels like tossing around. Mean would be an understatement in how McCoy plays his game. Always inviting contact, McCoy is by far the most "F"-ysical TE coming out in the draft this year. He has decent hands and can dig in to the trenches and get nasty like the big fella's. He also can be elusive when need be as well. He is 6'5" 250 LBS and his career stats are, 46 Rec, 731 Yds, and 3 TD's which over half came this year as a Senior.
5. Dedrick Epps (Miami)
Miami has produced some really good tight ends in years past. The likes of players such as Bubba Franks, Jeremy Shockey, and Kellen Winslow Jr. all got alot of praise coming out of Miami. Epps on the other hand is flying a bit below the radar comparitive to those mentioned. At 6'4" 253 LBS, this Senior has been a great outlet for young Quarterback Jacory Harris. I beleive that Epps will be a steal in the later rounds of the 2010 Draft. Career stats are: 49 Rec, 649 Yds, and 6 TD's.
TOP 5 NCAA OFFENSIVE TACKLES
Aside from the obvious #1 tackle on everyone's boards in Okung, there has been alot of debate in who the #2 OT is in the nation. But it is obvious who the top 5 are. It could be a good thing in that the competition is that close and I really do not see a "bust" in any of the guys mentioned below. This could be a real win-win situation for the Niners in the offseason. Even more debate has taken place on whether or not to persue the avenue of free agency in regards to the offensive line and draft some dynamic position players that will make plays both on offense as well as defense.
1. Russell Okung (Oklahoma State)
Okung is easily considered to be the top Offensive Tackle entering the NFL next year. His pass blocking is outstanding and his run blocking is even more impressive. We all wish that we could steal this guy somehow someway but I just cannot see it happening. Okung will be gone in the Top 5 picks for sure. 6'5" 301 LBS...Beast to say the least.
2. Brian Bulaga (Iowa)
A lot of the fans here at NN have been drooling over Bulaga. I on the other hand am not completely sold on him but I equally would not be dissapointed if we drafted him. It is one of those "meh" picks for me. Bulaga is still considered the best prospect for Tackle coming out of the Big 10. Dan Doering has provided quite a bit of assistance on that Offensive line to help in Bulaga's campaign and he too himself will be entering this years draft. The one thing we do know for sure is that Iowa will miss both of them. 6'6" 312 LBS.
3. Bruce Campbell (Maryland)
No, not the same guy from the movie Army of Darkness but maybe as ruthless in his mentality when inflicting pain on pass rushers. Campbell on some boards is the #2 pick for OT's. He is a workout maniac much like Davis was when at Maryland. Maybe it's something in the water... Steriods? All jokes aside, Campbell is strong, athletic, fast for a tackle with a 4.8 40-time... not bad for a monster like that. 6'6" 306 LBS.
4. Ciron Black (LSU)
Coming out of the SEC, Black will have a head start on some of the other Tackles entering the draft this year. The defensive lineman in the SEC tend to be most comparitive to what is already playing in the NFL. They are big, fast, and mean. This is going to be the steal of the year as far as offensive line is concerned. Steal meaning getting one of the best Tackles at a low slot in the 1st round, possibly high in the 2nd. 6'5" 323 LBS... the biggest Tackle out of the Top 5.
5. Trent Williams (Oklahoma)
Williams could have very well went in the 1st round of last years draft but decided to finish up school and go back for his Senior year which I think was the right decision for him considering his stock went up. He made the All-Big 12 team this year. At times he had his problems though and he is not the fastest LT in the world. Considering that I am a Sooner fan, I was a bit dissapointed to see Bradford go down, not once, but twice this season. One of the times was definitely Williams fault. While there is no perfect Offensive Lineman that provides 100% protection, I think that Williams will have alot of work to do to be an elite Tackle in the league. He could be average if he does not work hard. 6'5" 318 LBS.
Here now, smileyman will provide us with the free agent information for these two positions this week:
TOP FREE AGENT TIGHT ENDS NFL
Owen Daniels (Highlights)
Age: 26
Years in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Stats: 40 receptions, 519 yards, 5 TDs
Salary. $2.79 million
Summary: Owens was an RFA last year. The Texans made made him an offer and wouldn't let him go. He thinks he's being underpaid (can't say as I blame him), and right after he signed the tender he skipped some of the Texan's mini-camps. He wants big money, but his injury is going to hurt his stock.
Tony Scheffler (Highlights)
Age: 26
Years in the league: 4th season
Status: UFA
Stats: 27 receptions, 323 yards, 2 TDs
Salary: $612,000
Summary: Last year Scheffler was a much more utilized part of the offense, with 40 receptions, 645 yards, and 3 TDs. He's also been reduced to a backup role with the signing of Daniel Graham. I expect that he'll want to go to a team that will use him in a starting role.
Bo Scaife (Highlights)
Age: 28
Years in the league: 5th season
Status:UFA
Stats: 29 receptions, 287 yards, 0 TDS
Salary: $4.5 million
Summary: Tennesee's rough start has really hurt Scaife this year. Prior to VY starting Scaife had 12 receptions for 118 yards. He's been much more utilized since then. Tennesse franchised him last year, so they'll have to offer him a long-term contract or see him walk away. The back-up TE is also an unrestricted free agent, so they have some decisions to make. I expect that he'll stay in TN though.
Ben Watson (Highlights)
Age: 28
Years in the league: 6th season
Status: UFA
Stats: 22 receptions, 321 yards, 4 TDs.
Salary: $760,000 base salary. Escalators that could take him up to $3.6 million
Summary: Watson is a solid TE, but not upper tier. His best year was in 2006 when he had 645 yards and 3 tds. Watson is a solid player who I expect will be resigned by the Patriots.
I would expect that Scheffler and Daniels will hit FA, with Scaife and Watson being resigned. The other FA tight ends are backups at best, though there is an Alex Smith playing tight end for the Patriots. I think it would be kind of amusing to have two Alex Smith's on the same team.
Since lineman don't record stats, I'll be using Football Outsiders rankings to provide information on them.
TOP FREE AGENT OFFENSIVE LINEMAN NFL
Marcus McNeil
Age: 25
Years in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Stats: San Diego's run blocking is ranked 24th in the league. However their runs off left tackle move them up a full 8 spots--showcasing how good McNeil is. He's had 1 holding penalty for 5 yards and has only allowed 4 sacks all year.
Salary: $535,000
Summary: McNeil is still playing on his rookie contract and is being severely underpaid. Easily the top tackle available in FA he'll command a large contract. Making 2 Pro Bowls in 3 seasons is very impressive. He should have a long career ahead of him. If San Diego wants to franchise him they'll have to pay somewhere between $8.5 and $9 million to keep him.
Jared Gaither
Age: 23
Years in the League: 3rd season
Status: RFA
Salary: $460,000 base salary
Stats: The Baltimore Ravens have the 4th best run ALY in the league. With Oher on the right side and Gaither on the left side they appear to be set for some time. Gaither has had 6 penalties called on him this year, 2 false starts and 4 holding for a total of 22 yards. He's only allowed 3 sacks.
Summary: I'll be surprised if Baltimore doesn't come to a long-term contract with Gaither. Even if they don't they can just franchise him and get some hefty compensation if someone goes after him. I expect he'll stay there
Chad Clifton
Age: 33
Years in the League: 10th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $4.3 million
Stats: The good news is that GB is ranked 4th in the run according to FO. The bad news is that runs off LT are ranked at a measly 22 in the league. Clifton plays LT and has battled through an ankle injury this year that's left him not looking so hot. He's missed a couple of games this year and rookie T.J. Lang has started for him. Five penalties for Clifton this season. 4 false starts, 1 holding for a total of 40 yards. He's only allowed 3.25 sacks this year (don't ask me how he gets blamed for 1/4 a sack).
Summary: I don't see much value in Clifton for us. Basically he seems like a poor man's Barry Sims. There is enough tackle problems in the league that someone will probably pick him up if Green Bay doesn't resign him, but probably not for $4.3 million a year.
Mike Gandy
Age: 30
Years in the league: 9th season
Status UFA
Salary: $5 million
Stats: FO has AZ ranked 10th in run and 9th in pass protection--both of those are significantly better than what we do. When you look at the left side the numbers stay the same, indicating that Gandy is a solid option at LT. Gandy has had 7 penalties this year, 2 false starts, 5 holding penalties for a total of 80 yards. He's also allowed 6 sacks.
Summary: Gandy has been very reliable for Arizona, starting in every game since 2004 except Sunday's against the Vikings. He was held out of that game due to a pelvis injury. I would love to sign him, put him at LT, Sims as backup and move Staley to RT. At $5 million per year that's a reasonable price.
Tyson Clabo:
Age: 28
Years in the league: 4th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $1.5 million
Stats: Atlanta is ranked 11th in run, 9th in pass. They're only ranked 18th in runs off RT, but the only run that way 10% of the time. Only 2 penalties on Clabo this year, both holding, and only 3 sacks allowed.
Summary: Clabo is a solid tackle who worked himself into a starting job last year after spending a year in NFL Europe. The only question I have is if his success is due to talent or O-line coaching. The Falcon's offensive line coach has prepared lines that have given Steven Jackson and Fred Taylor career years. Atlanta signed Clabo to a one year deal at the end of last year. My guess is they didn't want to throw much money at him until they were sure what they had. I bet they resign him.
The Offensive Tackle market is also kind of slim. There are a few big names (Gaither, McNeill), but a team will have to pay heavily to get them. There are some solid prospects available, but no real "stars". Personally I'd love for us to grab Gandy, put him and Sims in at LT, and move Staley over to RT. We could get Gandy for a decent price, plus stealing him from Arizona would be even sweeter
Here is the most current pecking order for those that would like to attempt the mock drafts. Smileyman and myself will be doing our official mock drafts toward the very end of the season. Feel free to refference the first post I did with The Top 25 Players per Position.
Bare in mind that this was done early on and players have moved up and down in the order there.
Here is the order:
1. CLEVELAND BROWNS (1-11) [HELD]
2. TAMPA BAY BUCS (1-11) [HELD]
3. ST. LOUIS RAMS (1-11) [HELD]
4. DETROIT LIONS (2-10) [HELD]
5. WASHINGTON REDSKINS (3-9) [HELD]
6. KANSAS CITY CHEIFS (3-9) [HELD]
7. OAKLAND RAIDERS (4-8) [HELD]
8. BUFFALO BILLS (4-8) [PREVIOUSLY 11TH]
9. S.F. 49ERS FROM CAROLINA PANTHERS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 8TH]
10. DENVER BRONCOS FROM CHICAGO BEARS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 9TH]
11. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 10TH]
12. S.F. 49ERS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 14TH]
13. HOUSTON TEXANS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 15TH]
14. TENNESSEE TITANS (5-7) [PREVIOUSLY 16TH]
15. N.Y. JETS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 13TH]
16. MIAMI DOLPHINS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 12TH]
17. PITTSBURGH STEELERS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 19TH]
18. ATLANTA FALCONS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 20TH]
19. BALTIMORE RAVENS (6-6) [PREVIOUSLY 21ST]
20. N.Y. GIANTS (7-5) [PREVIOSULY 18TH]
21. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 17TH]
22. GREEN BAY PACKERS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 24TH]
23. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (7-5) [PREVIOUSLY 26TH]
24. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 23RD]
25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS FROM DENVER BRONCOS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 22ND]
26. DALLAS COWBOYS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 28TH]
27. ARIZONA CARDINALS (8-4) [PREVIOUSLY 25TH]
28. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS (9-3) [PREVIOUSLY 27TH]
29. CINCINNATI BENGALS (9-3) [HELD]
30. MINNESOTA VIKINGS (10-2) [HELD]
31. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS (11-0) [HELD]
32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (11-0) [HELD]
Side Note: Since these threads are filling up at lightning speed, I will keep this one around until it hits 300 or so like I said above. However, I will do this similar to how a gameday thread goes by just reposting the same one until smileyman and I can get the new Official Offseason NN Discusion Thread up.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Being that Cleveland won (and knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs)
that changes the order a bit unless somehow the Lions and the Rams both win on Sunday.
The Rams travel to Baltimore to face the Ravens
The Bucs are at home against the Jets
It’s possible that the Bucs could steal one from NY but I have a hard time seeing the Rams walking out of Baltimore with a win.
So it is possible that the Rams could solely be alone for the #1 overall pick after this weekend.
Carolina goes to N.E. so let’s hope the Patriots don’t drop another one here at home.
It’s also possible that the Niners could end up in 3rd place Monday night should Seattle go to Houston and win there (worst case scenario).
With all the games this weekend, it will be interesting to see how the Top 10 pics shift.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
drew
how is seattle winning a worst case scenario? we’re already out of the playoffs (dont give me that "we have to win out and the cardinals lose out and we’re in BS lol) so how does this hurt us?
imo its better for us… it gets us a better pick if it continues.
also, why do you keep posting free agent and NFL tight ends? we wont be taking a tight end
can you (or someone) post the remaining schedules as well as the strength of schedules of all the teams between like picks 5-12? this will help us determine where we could pick as well
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions
Personally
Although we are out, I don’t want to see my team lose to up a draft pick. We are playing for pride now and we already will have a great pick more than likely with the Panthers pick. The Niners cannot go in to the end of the season on a low note. Or we might come out the gates next season on that same note
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
well i assume
that we lose the next 2 and win the final 2.
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
I voted 3-1 out of the next 4
I think we will finish 1 game better than last year. I think we can take one game out of the Eagles or Cards
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
also, why do you keep posting free agent and NFL tight ends? we wont be taking a tight end
I can’t be sure when you joined in the conversations, but when smileyman and I first started the Official posts, we explained that we would focus in on two positions per week. Not necessarily our needs per say but more or less in general. Fooch suggested to open new ones everytime we got around 350 comments…thats why you keep seeing the “Continued’s”
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
WHAT DOES YOUR NINERS FIRST ROUND LOOK LIKE
and explain why. Don’t get into a whole mock draft with round 2, 3, 4, etc. only do what we can be sure of right now.
mine:
1a. Eric Berry- if we know for sure he’s gone before our first pick, trade our top first round + a third round for the higher spot to get him, which will probably be 3-4 spots higher than us. A playmaker like him, who many say is already NFL caliber, pro-bowl caliber even, is worth the extra pick we give up for him IMO to help shore up the defense.
1b. After our first one i am hitting a block. There have been many good arguements for many people.
Joe Haden- the top CB in the draft, but some say he’s not as good as advertised.
Brian Bulaga- the second best o-line prospect behind okung, but some are torn between him and trent williams. If we get a top o-lineman in FA, i say we can think about shying away from an o-lineman
CJ Spiller- now this one I have seen in the past week or so and still don’t quite understand it. They say he is an explosive RB and a great returner to solve our woes and how he can be there if and when Gore gets injured. Yet people still like Coffee as well. How can we have 3 RBs like that on a team together?
In my opinion the only way we draft Spiller is if we trade Gore away for a first and third round pick or trade Coffee+cash for a team’s third round pick, which we use in the berry deal
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 10:56 PM PST reply actions
IF we get Berry there's no need for another secondary pick
Best OT available for 1b. I’m assuming that the people voting for Spiller are thinking that Coffee won’t be here.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I disagree
Berry alone will be a big help in the secondary, but there’s still a big gap there. I’d LOVE to see Berry and Haden.
OT is such a big problem for us, but with a little luck (and maybe overpaying a player or two) we should be able to fix that in FA.
In my eyes, we have a chance in this draft to take a huge step in setting our identity as a defensive powerhouse. Fixing the secondary for 10 years would be a huge step in doing that.
If we can get a good OT in FA.. which is a BIG IF.. then that would open up the possiblities
Like Berry and Haden
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I'd go for another secondary pick but a good bit later
my personal pick right now would be to go for Perish Cox that has some ball hawking skills and also RS skills. Take him in the third and have that handled.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
1a. I think overall, most peaople want to see this happen. I am one of those people that would love to have Berry on the roster.
1b. I am one of the people saying that Haden would be an awful pick and he is overrated.
And C.J. Spiller, I don’t like the idea of getting rid of Gore. I have made it clear that it is not wise to do unless you have something that is a sure thing in place. I also gave many examples of RB tandoms that have worked in the past. Bo Jackson/ Marcus Allen the most notable mentioned out of the bunch. Most teams have 3 RB’s on there depth charts and suited up each game so I am not sure how Gore/ Spiller/ Coffee does not sound appealing; you’re losing me on that one.
There are far too many scenarios for me to try and predict what’s going to happen right now and I can only say what I would like to happen. I’ve thrown a few out there in other posts. I may repost them in a couple days.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
i guess im more thinking of their overall value
i think that drafting coffee in the third last year means that we probably want him to be our #2 RB. however, if we draft spiller that high, he will probably be #2 by season’s end, relegating coffee to #2 status/ third down back
i truly feel that we only take spiller if we were to trade off coffee for the considerations i laid out, and it might be in our best interest. perhaps to a team like the patriots with 2 aging RBs.
drew who do you think we should take #2? a BPA o-lineman, BPA overall, etc?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
The Patriots
are the last team I wold want to do business with, they always seem to come out on top, haha. Maroney is actuall just 24…they may go RB in the draft but it would not be until later. Not sure what they’d deal for coffee. There are alot of backs that are 3rd string that were drafted high. Reggie Bush for instance was 2nd pick in the ‘06 draft. Sometimes it just happens that way. Coffee could emerge later on, there’s no telling… Rashard Mendenhall was the 23rd overall pick in the 2008 draft and he had to work his way past Willie Parker and Mwelde Moore…Parker by default with an injury but still, it just happens that way sometimes.
In today’s NFL, it’s really imperative that you have 2 solid RB’s…change od pace backs are really usefull. Coffee may be good later like I said, but maybe we are better off with someone that we don’t have to wait for.
Again, the Spiller thing for me would be contingent on us landing a guy like McNeil in the offseason free agency and a new CBA in place prior to the 2010 season. The rest of it would all rely on Berry being there with our first and Spiller still being there at the 2nd. The likelihood of them both being there where we want them is not very good. Chances are they both will be gone in the top 10.
Regardless if Spiller is gone, we will still need a 3rd running back that is a TRUE running back (not Michael Robinson). We only have 2 right now and we need a 3rd in case one goes down (God forbid) with a permanent injury. Spiller is the prime candidate for what we need and if not there’s gonna be plenty of other guys possibly like Noel Devine or Kendall Hunter that will be around 3rd-4th round
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
How about throwing out some scenarios?
First one, lets say Berry falls to us. Pretty much a consensus around here that we pick him. But how does this effect personnel in the secondary going forward?
There’s been a lot of talk about moving Clements to FS and I assume Goldson to SS. Well, in this scenario we have our SS in Berry. Do we leave Clements at CB or split time at CB/FS? Do we cut him altogether?
Interested to hear ideas as I never thought about us getting Berry but we got Crabtree so it could happen.
by abasketballfan on Dec 13, 2009 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
Berry is a stud we all want him...
Berry has great foot work and we could easily move him tom CB if we wanted to…
But I would like to keep him at a ball hawking FS. LMO
I agree but...
we have to be careful as far as an all or nothing type strategy. That’s why I try to look for options. Trust me it would be sweet to have a team with Peyton at QB and Berry and Ed Reed at Safety and Champ at CB, and AD at RB..etc. But it’s not going to happen and even if some happen then some won’t and contingency plans need to be considered.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
There is no way Berry is a SS
He’s 200 lbs. 20 Years ago SS’s were 210 lbs – now they are 225.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Berry
is a FS and should stay there…. I believe in Clements and Spencer for next year. If we get a CB in the draft, we should probably not do so until the 3rd or 4th round. None of the CB’s coming out will be better than average in the NFL in my opinion. Haden is just getting all this hype because he is the best of the class of CB’s coming out. However, that does not equal he will be any good. I have grown up watching the likes of players like Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, Darrell Green, etc… there is nothing to suggest that Haden will be anything close to any of those guys. You do not spend a high pick (especially a #1) on a guy like Haden who does not have that special player vibe or play to him.
Of course some other people are buying the hype but I have seen to much with my own eyes to draw my own conclusion contrary to the HYPE.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Deion couldn't hit at all
Charles and Darrell are both competent against the run game with Charles being the better of the two. A big part of Haden’s game you’re overlooking is he is very stout against the run and is the same size as Berry and Earl Thomas. Which makes him a very physically prominent corner/small safety
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:36 AM PST up reply actions
disagree
I have seen him slide and miss tackles as well as get juked out of his cleats. When Deion needed to by himself, he would make a tackle down low. I am sorry but its just a little bit absurd to insinuate you’d rather have Joe Haden (an unproven) than a Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, or Darrell Green.
Haden will be an average CB in the league. He’s going to be like a Dante Robinson for the Texans or someone like that. He does not have that star quality. He is the best of his class and that is the only reason he get’s the recognition. He makes a TON of mistakes and is no where near a shut down CB. You don’t spend a 1st round pick on that.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I'm sort of hoping a small school product will rise in the senior games
like Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
I’m with you, Drew K, in that I don’t see anything particularly special about Haden. A top notch corner would be nice but we should draft the top talent not the best available at a certain position.
With Berry on board I would probably bring Clements back but reconstructing his contract looks like a good idea. Then I would like to draft another corner somewhere in Rds 2 to 4.
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
We underestimate the value of drafting him..
I know he is not a huge need for us.
But if Berry is off the board with our first, or if he is still there for our our 2nd 1st rounder I think we should take him! Very talented ILB. Him lined up next to P.Willis would just be crazy I can’t even comprehend how dominate they would be together. I wouldn’t mind him sharing time with Spikes for half a season to learn the defense. This kid has amazing talent and Singletary will bring out the best in him
dunno if he fits
Is McClain a ‘Ted’ backer? is he a grinder like what we will need in that tough position? Takeo wasn’t a Ted before, he was a Mike, but he has done a great job. Maybe McClain could do the same?
McClain is just a telent
He gets sacks, tackles for loss. He is everywhere on the field! Kinda reminds me of P.Willis, but nobody can get around the field like Willis does. But it is a great complement to be in the same sentence as P Willis.
We need to build talent around our amazing MLB P.Willis if we had McClain we could sent Willis on more blitzes. Scary site for a QB to see Willis sprinting up the middle throwing blockers off of him… lol
Im a fan of him
I love McClain. I think he is amazing, just want to make sure we are using the right personnel in the right positions. If he doesnt fit as a TED then we gotta let him go somewhere else.
Plus, I like this McKillop kid. He’s a grinder, and not afraid of much. He might be a perfect TED
He should be able to
He’s a huge LB that should be able to take on blockers. He will be a more capable blitzer from the position too. If never hurts to add dominant players and I really think he is one. If Berry is gone he be no. 1 on my board. It’s not a position of need, Takeo Spikes does a good job, rather just taking the BPA.
I’m surprised how many people think he’s valuable enough given we already have Willis but easily mock him to Denver which already has a good MIKE in DJ Williams.
by abasketballfan on Dec 13, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
They are mocking him to Denver
Because DJ Williams is no Patrick Willis and Andra Davis is like 32.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:37 AM PST up reply actions
Granted Willis is better..
But Willis is better than anyone at this point. WIlliams is a very good player in his own right, maybe 2nd on their defense after Bailey.
On the other side of your argument, Spikes is getting old too and has a long injury history. Spikes is better than Davis but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t draft a great player if he’s available.
One thing to watch is Amhad Brooks. If he keeps playing like he has the last two games, then the need for a high rd OLB drops significantly. That will give us less needs and more flexibility with draft picks.
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
I think we should take ryan matthews from fresno state
by swagger on Dec 12, 2009 11:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That could also be another great pick
He would have lead the Nation in yards had he not been out for a couple games. He had 245 attempts with 1664 yards and 17 TD’s this season. He is a stud as swagger implies. He may be a guy who flies under the radar in the draft. I am glad you brought him up. Should be another one to watch. He sort of like Frank Gore (a bit more shifty though), so for those of you advocating trading Gore, you may like this guy for a replacement as well. I personally cannot justify the trading Gore thing though and am in no way advocating this. I just want 3 solid, true, running backs.
For those who have not seen him, here is a link to some highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8fLyL1yHmg
Stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=241397
He will be playing in the very first Bowl game of the year in the New Mexico Bowl (December 19th) for those that may want to see more of this guy.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
what round is he considered?
like first round, second, third?
bp. for those of you advocating trading Gore, you may like this guy for a replacement as well.
i thought CJ spiller would be a much better replacement…
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 13, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Meaning
if Spiller is gone… I am not sure exactly what he is projected at this point in time because he had a concusion. Before that he was leading the Nation in rushing. I would say somewhere in the late 2nd to early 4th. He’s ranked 80th overall on the board. He could end up going earlier than that possibly though.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
OFFSEASON
FA- LT McNiel, fills our need for RT or move Staley to RT.
FA- Shawne Merriman, he is still a monster and would help the pass rush
DRAFT:
1a-FS Berry— trade up if we have to. Pro bowl FS lets get him!!
1b-ILB McClain— I know I know but…. Merriman/McClain/Willis/Lawson I like that LB core. They would do damage together with Berry grabbing all the picks.
2- HB Jahvid Best/WR?? With this pick I want an explosive RB/WR that can also PR/KR, somebody with home run speed. Field position is huge, and Alex Smith would appreciate it.
3- OG— Best guard available… somebody to help sure up our OL.
Needs filled
Pass Rush: McClain/ Merriman
Secondary: Berry/ and maybe a 4th or 5th round pick…
O-Line: McNiel/ 3rd round pick
KR/PR: Jahvid Best/ or WR with return skills
Negative on Merriman
He’s 1 hot piss test or slap on his alien looking girlfriend from being gone for a year or more.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 2:56 AM PST up reply actions
I'd take Merriman
1 hot piss test? This is funny and the Tila Tequila comment is even funnier, but that’s all it is is jokes. He will come farely cheap and I bet he has a lot left in the tank. I’d take Merriman.
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Negative on Best though
He will go in the 2nd and that’s too high for him.
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Best may turn out to be amazing
But thats like putting a 1000 on hard 8s and saying a prayer. You have alot bigger chance of losing that bet and wasting that cash.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
IF WE PULL THIS OFF ABOVE... LOT OF TRADE BAIT???
If we get these player we could mess around with a lot of trades for future picks or a good player…
Players no longer needed: Micheal Lewis, P.Harlson, T.Spikes, Glen Coffee
Lets give up all of them for RHODES! lol Berry/ Rhodes. When I come up with stuff like this I get carried away its just to good to be true… DAM!
what are you talking about
we dont need parys? we just signed him to a 4 year contract before this season
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 13, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
True
I still like parys… but if we can upgrade that position I say we do it. Best player gets to start. I WANT WINNERS
I have been trying to promote this concept
I think Briggs will be awesoime when he gets his chance also. Then we should have 3 very good OLB’s in Brooks, Briggs, and Haralson
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Is that a new Law firm ? "Brooks, Briggs and Haralson"
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by Eastbayjim on Dec 15, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is why I don't want to draft a LB
Parys and Manny have been playing well lately. I want to watch all of the guys who are potentially replaceable for these last 4 games and then decide. Besides, I think our front 7 is pretty good for what it does. Add a little more pass rush (which hopefully we start seeing with current personnel) and shore up the secondary. That would make us dominant.
No way the chargers let Mcneil go
They’ll sign him long term or at least franchise him…he’s one of the best young tackles in the game
They don't have the money to Franchise him.
Maybe not keep him. They have no money and have to keep a RB, TE, WR, and OLB tat are all veterans.
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that's fricken WICKED
We gotta make sure we get him.
Their salary cap situation is horrible
I think they only have $9 million to spare.
They’ve got Sproles up for FA, Vincent Jackson, and Marcus McNeil.
Who are ya gonna keep out of those three?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Whoever they dont keep
niners should pursue with a fully loaded arsenal, I would like any 3 of those guys to be a niner next year
by sundaysfinest on Dec 13, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
They probably keep Vincent for 45-55 million and 6-7 years
McNeill is gonna want big time $$$ more than they can afford
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think Vincent goes
Naanee and Floyd will better supplant them, than to let the insurance policy on a 100 million dollar QB go.
Vincent to the Chiefs in 2010!!
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Possible
Hadn’t looked at it that way.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:38 AM PST up reply actions
Tomlison probably gets cut
They will shave some more cap space by cutting a few people but most likely Tomlison, Merriman, and McNeil or Jackson will be available.
I’m hoping they keep Jackson and McNeil we aggressively go after McNeil.
by abasketballfan on Dec 13, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
If they cut Tomlinson his salary becomes dead money
to them. Their best hope is that they work out a trade for him. I could see someone like KC offering a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Isn't it still dead money?
Not sure how that works
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure either
I’ll have to see if i can dig up an explanation somewhere.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
If they are stupid enough to let LT go what happens to them is well deserved.
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Agreed
LT should go into the Hall of Fame wearing blue and gold
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:40 AM PST up reply actions
he doesn't want to go out as a backup though
and it’s getting awfully close to happening. I would bet the farm that they draft or acquire a RB to replace him in the off-season. Next injury he has if the new guy is showing some stuff…it’s over. I hate how that goes sometimes…but that’s how I see it. I’d rather see him retire a Charger…just don’t know if he can step away from the game while he’s still performing.
It is sad
I lived in San Diego and everyone I know who met him says he’s a good guy.
Seen it happen to too many Niners but in the end it’s business and about winning.
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:45 AM PST up reply actions
so..
He’ll go into the Hall as a Charger. He doesn’t need to end his career there for that to happen.
As much as it sorta sucks to see a home town hero end his career elsewhere, it pretty much happens all the time.
Drew K
What about doing a post for the 6 or 7 people would could be available for us at # 9 through # 15?
I like this as we could review the positives and negatives about all the possibiities
And example would be those below. Mind you I added extra OTs as that is our biggest need and we may not get on in FA.
Berry
Bulaga
Haden
Black
Williams
McClain
Spiller
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Dude nobody
is taking Ciron Black that early. He probably won’t even go in the 1st round.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I just added him to the list as he was listed above, to include the OTs
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you don't know that
If he has a great shuttle time and lifts 225 lbs 34 times at the combine, he could be a first rounder.
Thats the thing
his kick slide sucks and everybody knows it
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
He's pretty much already been blacklisted
Possibly a dominant Run blocking RT at the NFL level because of his size. But even in college he’s inconsistent and his footwork is way too slow to protect a QB’s backside.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
I’m wondering if he is a second round target for that reason. However, the 49ers still need a better pass blocker at RT.
he isn’t going to be the first ot from LSU off the board.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 13, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
That's a very good idea Jim
And I will take it in to consideration. But I currently have my hands full and have been working on some other stuff on top of this weekly post which is taking up all the extra time that I have set aside for this. When we get closer to the draft, I will definitely post something along those lines.
Thanks for you input Jim…always good to have it.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Hi Drew
I appreciate the posts that you and Smileyman have been doing.. and I have seen some great input as I don’t watch college football and this helps me to understand the talent level. Like when you first posted this series several people were really high on Mays but then the conversations showed how he is not doing as well as originally expected.
Keep up the good work!
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Looks like..
DraftTek and Walter have him figured as a late 2nd rounder. I’d say late 2 to mid 3 (around our pick). I am a bit confused here as far as “group consensus” (not sure we’re saying there has to be one LOL) I thought that there was a desire for a Change of Pace back so we’d want someone that’s more a of a speed/wiggle back. If we have determined that it looks like Alex is going to be the starter at QB and that spread works best for him (as really it does for Manning and Brady as well), then don’t we want a runner that has a chance to work well out of the spread? Why try and have 3 carbon copy RBs? Maybe I’m being silly and missing something here. Not that I’m knocking Matthews just making a note of it.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
NN College Bowl Rookie Watch . . .
Drew, thanks for the heads-up on the New Mexico Bowl. What do you think about having a 49er Rookie Watch thread for the Bowl games? Yours & everyone else’s pre-identified players to watch will provide common points for reference, enhancing future discussions. Thanks!
by Flyin' Taco on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Is Pashos done? Do we really need OT in the first round?
What’s up with Tony Pashos? Is there any reason he can not be a very solid starter next year? Then we have Staley and Pashos as starting OTs, Sims and Snyder backing up. Sounds more than reasonable to me.
Then we could focus on getting some talent at guard in either FA or 2nd/3rd round.
Yes Pashos is done
And yes we need an all-pro caliber talent at OT
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
You know this how? That is the question I am asking myself…
A broken shoulder blade is not exactly career ending. There is a chance he could be extended on another 1 year deal and utilized as a key back up again. It’s not like he was so over-the-top horrible that the question deserved such a curt response. In fact, he pulled off a very servicable job at coming in off the bench for the games he played in. If something happened to Snyder in the offseason (moving on in other words) then why is it that so far-fetched to keep Pashos?
You seem so confident in your reply when there is absolutely no way you could know this information unless you are secretly Jed York or Scot M, a coach…or someone of that caliber. No reports or credible sources have come out that have indicated that a new deal WOULD NOT be made. Chris Foerster (the Oline coach) happens to favor Pashos and considering that he already coached him when he was with Baltimore, then there may be something beyond the lines there.
Do you enjoy coming off as rude and all-knowing all the time? This is not a smart remark toward you and not a personal attack toward you but more of a drop-dead serious question…maybe you don’t realize it, but there are better ways to respond to people asking a question that are looking for information that someone else may have some factual insight on.
“I don’t know” or “not sure” would have maybe been a more appropriate response considering that that is more of a realistic answer to the question.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Pashos is done at a high level in the league
he might stick around as a serviceable backup – but he is not elite and not what we need.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:43 AM PST up reply actions
Actually Pashos had to have time to learn the offense.
From what I have read he was coming along very well when he got hurt.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Any opinions on OT Anthony Davis?
Looks like maybe a good pickup if we miss out on some of the other top ones. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 8:39 AM PST reply actions
Hmm wonder if he could be a sleeper
Not hearing much about him but some good stuff from what I hear. Actually just hoping for some good input from someone. Anyone watched a lot of Rutgers games?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
He's alot better than Ciron Black
I’ll say that much
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
I am forced by geographics to watch the SEC every saturday
and really him and Black are the same guy. They are both huge run blocking RT’s. Anthony Davis gets lower and pancakes guys more consistently both have had talk of possibly being switched to guard as neither has good lateral mobility.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
What team(s) are you nearby/watching?
Is there another conference you follow?
I perfer to follow the Big 12 and Pac-10
I’d rather have watched Pac-10 games but they don’t get broadcast out here as I’ve been stuck in Ga for 4 years Florida’s games are on every week as are Alabama and LSU. Ole Miss, Tenn, Kentucky and Arkansas don’t receive much run around here at all and only get shown if playing the former three or the local two so I’ve got a lot less time watching them. Auburn and UGA are the local teams out here but kinda boring to follow them as its been a bad year. Auburn has a couple guys on D that will probably go in the first 2-3 rounds and Ben Tate. Georgia has basically nobody that pops to mind right away after everybody got out of there last year.
Big 12 gets on a little bit though sometimes you have to go out of your way to watch it when you can’t avoid SEC football on TV.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Not debating you but confused a bit.
You say Geographically and then you talk about Anthony Davis of Rutgers in NY. Just makng sure I read you right and you weren’t making a comparison between Black and another player.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
I was refering to having seen Black several times and seeing nothing remotely impressive about him other than being a side of beef.
I know Davis’ scouting report and have seen him a couple times when out at BWW or another sports bar with 1000 college games on with friends. My occupation places me with people from diverse locales. Got buddies from NY/NJ/Philly area and a few from Texas. Those are generally who I go out and watch football with. So while I’m forced to watch SEC games because I cannot avoid them, I go out of my way to watch Big-12, Pac-10 and the occasional Big-10 and NY area games. That’s why I’ve seen Rutgers, (as my buddy would say, “So good we need 3 campuses!”), and watched Davis who is a guy serving pancakes to DLinemen but without much lateral agility to stop a speed rush off the corner.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:50 AM PST up reply actions
Watched him play some against USF
South Florida has two highly rated DE/OLB prospects and he shut them down. My personal feeling is that he’s a bit underrated at this point.
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
A dream and maybe even a delusion of FA:-)
Imagine if for whatever reason Jared Gaither doesn’t work out a deal with Balty. That could end up being pretty sweet if we could get him. Imagine a line next year with Staley and Gaither at bookends. Also would intensely lower our draft needs for OT. Plus probably not as expensive as McNeill
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 8:44 AM PST reply actions
To play RT?
I don’t know how good he is, I seen more pressure from his side than Oher’s. Oher is the new J Ogden, so it is possible.
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Yep at RT
He’s young and can have some upside. Played LT this year mostly holding the place for Oher. Imagine us having a line of Staley at LT, Gaiter at RT, He’s 23 right now, that’s pretty nice. I know it’s out there and we’d have to give up a pick. Since he’s RFA so that’d suck but just dreaming.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Preliminary work on a "Draft board"
This is majorly some notes in advance of working up a draft board to give options in case someone is gone at the pick or such. Putting all your eggs in one basket is not good. The picks are under an assumption of not Free Agency moves.
Assumed needs: OT (RT), S, CB, Pass Rushing DE/OLB, Change of Pace RB, Return Specialist, Nose Tackle if we don’t re-up Franklin
1a. S Eric Berry, OT Brian Bulaga, CB Joe Haden
1b. S Earl Thomas, OT Bruce Campbell, CB Donovan Warren
2. CB Patrick Robinson, OG Mike Iupati, DE/OLB Sergio Kindle, OT Ciron Black, OT Anthony Davis, DE Jared Odrick, DT Dan Williams
3. OG John Asamoah, CB/KR Perish Cox, OG Mike Johnson, WR Eric Decker, WR Marshawn Gilyard, DE Vincent Oghobasse, OG Mike Pouncey, OG Maurkice Pouncey
4. RB/KR Noel Devine, RB Joe McKnight, OLB OBrien Schofield, WR Blair White, WR Chris McGaha
5. S Myron Rolle, OLB OBrien Schofield, WR Trindon Holliday
6. WR/KR Trindon Holliday, RB/KR Brandon James
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions
nice
what is the current view of Balmer’s progress? I think he plays in goal-line defense this year…
Not sure..
all I’ve heard about him is not really good. McDonald this year though, at least earlier in the season, sounded good. McDonald has 3 sacks this year playing second string, Soap has 1 and Smith has 2.5. Balmy has 0.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Base Defense
Soap, Franklin, Smith
These are run stoppers. Smith has the motor to get pressure out of base but the other two are space eaters and gap pluggers. They aren’t designed to get much pressure on the cube. You can’t really compare sack stats from Soap to a guy like Balmer or McDonald, who are generally in more during Nickel. Although I believe Balmer does play some DT in base to give Soap a break.
Hoping Balmer can improve and replace Soap as starter
I like Soap but he’s limited as a pass rusher. I think the idea of drafting Balmer was to have someone who can hold up just as much on the run but provide a bit more pressure when teams pass out of the base defense. He’s got more speed than Soap.
Sopoaga to me comes off like an excellent backup who can play behind all 3 guys and do a solid job… as he’s done a solid job this year as a starter.
A lot of players make a big leap in year 3 so I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he turns out to be a good player for us.
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
Think would could have had D.Jackson instead of Balmer!!
It kills me every time we bring up that bum Balmers name!!!
Yeah it hurts
But I wouldn’t blame or give up on Balmer yet. He was a little raw coming in so it will take some time to develop him.
by abasketballfan on Dec 13, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the team was happy with his progress?
Obviously the injury is a setback but the DL has been our best unit this year. Balmer didn’t get sacks but put brought some pressure on few occasions in his limited time. What I remember hearing is that he wasn’t getting time because others were playing really well. Sopoaga has been pretty good unless the other team is running a screen play.
by abasketballfan on Dec 13, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
he was playing better, making progress
that’s about as positive as I’ve read about K.Balm. He plays some in NIckel/Dime packages as well as Goal Line. Anytime we have 4 or more down linemen he has a good chance of being in there.
For the record
Joe McKnight is going to return to USC.
Good
Don’t want to hear the homers this offseason saying how much we need him. Like Leinhart
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I'm looking for a change of pace back..
and there seems to be a short list of them there. Checked DraftTek and they had the following list: Spiller, Best, McKnight, Devine, Michael Smith, Fletcher, Brandon James, Coker, MiQuale Lewis, Kendall Hunter. Some good return specialists but not that big a choice LOL.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
I like Devine. Fast, shifty kid who gets lots of comparisons to Sproles
plus he’ll be around in the 4th, maybe 5th round.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Yeah I do too
He’s got similar speed as Sproles: would be an excellent change of pace
I want winners! I want people that WANT to win!
Chris McGaha
Good work by you. Questionable speed, but he has some premium hands.
Yeah that's what I heard
Not that strong is one pick on him and looks like he needs to work on route running.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
HELP PLEASE
I have class tmrw during the game.
Is there a website where I can watch the game live???
Or is NFL.com play by play the best I can do
PLEASE let me know. thanks
You are better off following NFL.com. People post live feeds on the Game Day thread but those things get posted than knocked down 15 minutes later. Probably too much work to follow the game in class.
this
http://myp2p.eu/competition.php?competitionid=&part=sports&discipline=americanfootball
try a veetle link if you can.
also, atdhe.net
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 13, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Can Carolina Peppers?
You gotta think that they can’t franchise hime another year. How nice would it be to have their 2010 first round pick AND their best player sitting at OLB for my NINERS
the only problem with that
is that we would be playing a crapload for peppers as a top OLB, a crapload for a top o-lineman (if we got one), a crapload for a top 10 pick (like eric berry, who would command a lot), and then a lot for our second #1 which will probably be like a #12
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 13, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Then then a WHOLE LOT
For Patrick Willis and Vernon Davis
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Forget Peppers
he would then need to adjust to playing OLB in the 3-4 last year would have been enough time, but forget it.
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My Offseason Dream Team........ That is possible!!
FA 2010
G-Eugene Amano Titans
T- A Barron to keep staley at LT or M Mcneil to move Staley to RT.
OLB- Merriman
Draft
1a. E Berry S Tenn
1b. Traded down for 1 and additonal 3rd- Derrick Morgan DE G Tech
2. Patrick Robinson CB FSU
3a Javier Arenas KR/PR/CB Ala.
3b. Vince Oghabaase DT Duke
4. Dexter McCluster WR Ole Miss
5 Ahmad Black SS LSU
6. Tim McAvoy G Mich.
7.Drew Davis T Ala.
@ pr/kr Ol help and depth and added pass rush at de and OLB plus DB help that is needed.
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Interesting and pretty sweet.
You sure McClain’s size doesn’t worry you a bit? Or are you thinking more a D. Jackson type?
Also are you picturing Oghabaase playing NT or DE in our defense? Also anything special you saw in the last 3 or were you just trying to fill those late round spots? I’d be interested to hear about them. Also wonder if Doering might slip thru some cracks and be a late round sneak in pick.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
McClain who? I don't have a McClain on the list.
Oghabaase would be a 3-4 DE and a DT in the Nickel to help the PR. The later picks are to add depth and youth at the OL. Doering? Don’t know much about him. As for the ALabama pick that entire OL is full of Maulers and are used to the style we need to get to up front. Maybe McClain is referring to McCluster, he would be strictly KR/PR and an occasional pass in open space. His size is what’s intriguing, remember Dante Hall?
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Yeah meant McCluster LOL
Was reading some stuff on Rolando a bit earlier and typed the wrong name.LOL
The reason I was asking about Doering was that Drew has mentioned him a few times when people start talking about Bulaga. Interesting Dante huh? I was thinkng Desean Jackson and how the knock on him was his slightness in size. He’s listed at 175 and McCluster is listed at 165.
I find it interesting that you have two DEs and two CBs and two Ss. And good catch on Alex at RT, I’d forgotten about him for a bit. He’d be ok at RT.
I’d toss in Perish Cox if Arenas falls thru as a pick and Rolle instead of Black. I think a backfield with Berry and Rolle manning the safety spots would be pretty sweet. Who are you seeing at OLB missed that in your picks. Overall as I said pretty sweet.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Funny that Drew mentions Doering
When he hasn’t played for almost the entire season.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:53 AM PST up reply actions
He was ranked as a top prospect last year for guard
and at the beginning of this season as well. I had not heard or seen anything different this year until recently. There is no reason to be snide about things with your remarks. Other writers on this site have made mistakes before also, I don’t see you calling them out like that. My mistake is more due to me not being able to follow all 250+ teams inside and out…so pardon me.
He did help Bulaga out a ton last year because I did happen to catch a couple Iowa games. I figured the same was true for this year as well since he did start at the beginning. He also had an injury but I am sure you already knew that since you know everything there is to know on this planet
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Doering
has been benched at Iowa since like week 3… he’s not even #2 on the depth chart
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:52 AM PST up reply actions
You know me..can't help but tweak :-) and your lineup is intriguing
Here’s my take on your FA and draft outline with some changes. Call it an homage to yours. :-)
Lineup based on RLott’s Dream but feasible Offseason
FA Acquisitions: OT Alex Barron STL, OG Jahri Evans NO or Logan Mankins NE, NT Aubrayo Franklin SF
Draft
1a. S Eric Berry – it just might be possible.
1b. Trade current pick for a later first and get DE Derrick Morgan – Interesting idea stolen from RLott
2. OLB Sergio Kindle – Pass rusher settled.
3a. CB/KR Javier Arenas or Perish Cox – Either would be both a KR and ball hawk threat.
3b. WR Eric Decker – 9ers win by a foot again. A foot injury to a WR again gives us a receiving threat.
4. OC Maurkice Pouncey or Matt Tennant BC – get an interior OLineman at worst and the heir apparent to Heittmann at best
5. S Myron Rolle – Imagine a defensive brain trust of PWilly EBerry and the Rhodes Scholar
6. WR Chris McGaha – Probably not a great pickup here would rather get a good change up/speed/wiggle back here but not sure there would be one.
7. BPA
So based on that we’d go into the 2010 season with Alex throwing from the spread to VD, Crabs, and Decker from behind a line of Staley, Heittmann (with one of the OC’s backing him up and learning), Mankins/Evans/Amano at LG, Rachal and Snyder at RG, and Alex Barron at RT. And the D would have Justin, Franklin, Morgan, McDonald and Soap on the DL, PWilly, Kindle and Haraalson/Brooks backing that line, and Clements, Spencer, Arenas/Cox, and Brown, maybe with Reggie moved back to CB, and Berry and Rolle hanging back and ready two bring the dogs of hell at times. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Oh!
And just to throw another log on the fire. How about Sproles or Leon Washington in FA as well?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 13, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Too much money for what you can find in the draft
Spending money in FA, and keeping players we need to keep for the future from our original core will cost. I don’t want the team to spend the cap room in 2 seasons. I think we should cut bait with Jones and jst take the hit.
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I actually like the
Chris McGaha pick…not sure why you’re picking a guy and then doubting yourself. The more possession WR’s the better. We have VD and Jason Hill for speed now and barely use them for the deep ball. And both those guys can dust defenders.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Jason Hill
ran a 4.3 40-time… I am not sure the 49ers are ready to be one of those teams that goes for the deep ball often. Maybe Hill will be utilized more toward the end of the year in an experimental sort of way. Hopefully both Jones and Hill will see more time to be able to better determine who will be in that #3 WR position
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Sorry but there is no time
there isn’t enough game to go around. We are still wasting a practice squad spot on a WR named Ziegler, who needs the TO workout but that is for another post.
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Major reason for doubt was..
that I felt we didn’t need to be drafting two receivers in this draft. If we were lucky enough to get Decker then that would mean we’d have a pretty full set of receivers. At 6 and 7 I was LOL pretty much running out of steam. Not sure if any viable options would be around at 6 that could be the change of pace/speed back we’ve all said we’d like to have.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 AM PST up reply actions
There may be a few sleepers
In the lower divisions you can sometimes find great players…especially for that (returning kicks). Remember that Steve McNair and Jerry Rice came out of those lower divsions, so there can be pro-level talent found there sometimes. A return man /RB/WR/DB …may be obtainable out of the later rounds for that there.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
If Hughes is gone
Kindle might be worth our 2 as a rush OLB… But I value him about the same as Von Miller. And they are both wayyyyy below Hughes who could go anywhere from top 10 to 45
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions
Yep and we have higher needs
than that unfortunately. Mayhaps FA will change that. I don’t know. We can only see how it pans out and put out somewhat plausible theories. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 14, 2009 5:57 AM PST up reply actions
I don't care what the needs are
If Hughes falls out of the first round move heaven and earth to make sure he’s our second round pick
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah totally agree as far as second.
I just meant as far as first. A score of something like Berry and bulaga in the first and Hughes in the 2nd would be a time of rejoicing. I feel.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 14, 2009 5:59 AM PST up reply actions
Is in my opinion is talent worthy of a first round pick
So I wouldn’t throw a sh**fit if the niners took him with the 14 or 15… Its just there is a CHANCE he could drop because of need so I think the smart thing would be to let him far as fall as possible by grabbing guys who won’t fall that also fit needs then moving up when we think there is no more room for him to slide.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 6:01 AM PST up reply actions
McClain in the first round?
Rolando McClain has 4 sacks and 14 QB pressures. Just speculation on my part, but I think that the 49ers will give him a look as an outside linebacker, if he declares.
That would waste his best attribute
ILB is a bigger need than OLB, IMO, Spikes needs a replacement. McClain is a great leader and good at processing what he sees in the film room to the field.
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What?
Rolando is not a one-trick pony; that is why teams have so much trouble against him.
Yeah but you don't find college guys that translate what they see in the film room to the field.
Willis struggled with it and the defensive adjustments are done in the secondary now.
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McClain is great and I can't knock him.
He’s just absolutely not our need right now and if you move him to OLB you’re wasting what he’s best at and that’s exceptional read and react time.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not huge on Spikes (Fla)
But he’s falling like a stone and might be available in the second and we can groome him to replace Takeo. He’ll never be as good as McClain but we already have Patrick. We don’t need too many Chiefs on this team.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 13, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
I will take
all the “chiefs” we can get our hands on. The ‘95 Niners had a roster chalked-full of Pro-Bowlers and ex Pro-Bowlers on that defense which lead us to a Superbowl. I don’t think there was one guy on that defense that had not been to a Pro Bowl and there was no clear-cut “leader” on the team which made it more of a team.
If you give me 11 “chiefs” on a defense I will take it.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Totally agree
I want an offense where everyone wants the ball and isn’t content with being second fiddle—that’s the kind of agressive philosophy that will win championships.
Same with defense-I want agressive minded defenders who are willing to take it on them.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
if we can get a “cheif” at any position besides ILB it will benefit the team more. Except maybe punter, or tight end.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 15, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
TAKE A GLANCE AT THE CHARGERS FREE AGENTS
they signed rivers to a huge 92M/38M guaranteed contract
-vincent jackson
-malcolm floyd
-shawne merriman
-darren sproles
-marcus mcneil
how many of these can they realistically resign?
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 13, 2009 7:33 PM PST reply actions
1 the LT
Nannee and Floyd are built like Jackson but don’t have the hands, but can still make enough plays for them to let him go. I personally would protect my ridiculous 92 million dollar QB and keep the LT. Bye Bye Sproles he us just a 3rd down back and not a great one and a STeamer……I smell Raiders in his future. Merriman goes for mouthing off at the Pres. and there is a replacement in place. Floyd will be cheaper than Jackson and will stay.
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Teams with $92 million dollar QB don’t let the No. #1 WR leave and they try very hard to keep the LT.
So don't keep the number protector you keep the number 1 weapon
When you still have another guy in the same mold? Glad I don’t QB for your franchise, I’d be worried about a Joe Theisman type hit injuring my QB!!
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an important factor is the difference between the contract that they have and the contract they will command next year. McNiel is getting paid peanuts, but will command 7 figures next year. Jackson’s pay will go up, but not nearly as radically.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Draft should aim to fix these four glaring problems...
Would seek to fix what I perceive to be the three biggest weaknesses the 49ers have currently.
- The weakness on the O-Line (or LOLine or LMAO-Line or Maginot Line) needs absolutely no explanation. Strengthening the O-Line keeps Alex Smith upright which improves the performance of the passing game and reduces the need for the shotgun formation. It creates the creases, gaps and holes Frank Gore needs to be able to successfully run the ball. Our lack of balance on offense can be directly traced to the pathetic performance of the O-Line.
- Unsafety at any speed – This again, needs no explanation. The lackluster play from the San Francisco safety has put the corners under significant strain and stretched the secondary like a sheet of cheap wrapping plastic. Getting a playmaker roaming in open space would effectively creates another level of coverage an offense has to penetrate.
- Wide out, wipe out – Outside of Michael Crabtree and maybe Josh Morgan (depending on how many stupid penalties I’m willing to forget), the 49ers WR corps lacks true talent. You can’t point to Jason Hill or Brandon Jones or Arnaz Battle and say that any of them are play makers – because they aren’t. If the 49ers are serious about continuing with the implementation of the Raye-Gun (or modified spread), they are going to need more receiving talent.
- Our Netflicks Returns Team – Like Netflicks, they don’t do returns on anyone’s schedule and have cost us at least one game this year (reverse on punt return). I’d be all for trading both Jones and Battle if we could get a second and/or third round pick for the pair, that’s how frustrated I am with them.
-Disclaimer – I live in Austin which means I get to see lots of Big 10 and Big 12 football and not a whole lot else. If I didn’t expound on my choices it’s probably because everyone already has (the first rounders) or I haven’t seen them play for years (like I have with the Big 10/Big 12 teams). This is an attempt to sound like less of an idiot when it comes to some of this stuff.
My picks should some idiot appoint me GM for the day
1A – Taylor Mays or Okung (if not available – trade down)
1B – Bryan Bugala
^1C – (Best possible safety or outside linebacker)
2A – Golden Tate: He’s fast, hard to square off against and has fantastic hands. He would provide the 49ers with an excellent deep threat and would prevent teams from being able to effectively double cover Michael Crabtree, as he continues to break out. This kid is the reason Clausen is going in the first round. If he falls to the second round, consider it a steal and go for it.
^2B – Earl Thomas: Like the 49ers defense, the Texas defense relies heavily on the front 7 to get pressure and make plays. Without them, he wouldn’t even be here. But he’s quick to the ball, decent in open space and is able to make plays. I live in Austin and have seen just about every UT game he’s ever played and I don’t understand why he’s up in the first round on some draft boards. I’d draft him along with the aforementioned first round picks because the 49ers desperately need depth at the position, and while he isn’t spectacular, he is solid.
3A – Jordan Shipley: I’ll first start with the intangibles – Jordan Shipley is an incredibly smart and intuitive football player. Like Crabtree, he’s always calm and collected on the field and on the sidelines, he’s a natural leader of the offense and of the team. Physically, his hands are fantastic and has a great ability to run routes and to improvise as needed. He’s decently quick (runs a 4.47 in the 40) got a great pair of hands (which I swear have sticky glue on them) and he’s not afraid to get physical. He’s been Colt McCoy’s security blanket for the past two years. Oklahoma had to triple (yes, triple) team him in order to break up the McCoy-Shipley football shuttle.
While he’s not quite big enough to become a “elite” back he’s going to make for a fantastic slot receiver, which is something the 49ers desperately need. Having a true slot receiver would allow them to stretch the field while simultaneously preserving “high percentage” passing plays on second and third downs. He has the potential to be the 49ers own Wes Welker. Also, like Welker, he’s one of the best punt returners in Texas history, allowing the 49ers to kill two of the needs with one of the receiver (pardon the cliche and bad Schwarzenegger joke)
^3B – Dominque Franks: Living in Austin, we also get to see a good deal of Sooner football (for obvious reasons). Franks is a solid CB and would add much needed depth to the secondary position.
4- Jarvis Beast: You think I’m insane, but I think that second concussion knocked enough shine off of his apple to send him this far south in the draft. He’s got good speed, and good vision, but health concerns will probably follow him from Cal to the pros.
At least two games have been lost due to the punt game
Battle’s fumble in Houston gave the Texans the ball at our own 10—they would score two plays later. The punt reverse fumble at Seattle gave them 7 pts which would be the difference in the game.
I like Morgan returning kicks—I have to wonder how he would be returning punts.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I've blocked it from memory
Losing the ball in the sun. I remember it as if it was just about 5 weeks ago. It was an terrrific display of ineptitude.
by sigma on Dec 13, 2009 11:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You could also point out
Morgan can’t field punts either since he couldn’t catch Shaun Hill’s deep ball. “It came down like a punt coach!”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 6:03 AM PST up reply actions
dominque franks is returning for Sr year
by abasketballfan on Dec 14, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
The hellaninersfan Offseason system
primary needs: RT, G (both could use upgrade), Pass Rush, Safties and CBs, PR/KR and depth/youth at RB (sorry folks coffee isn’t a solution).
FA signings: none are necessary with this system
trades: none are necessary with this system
Part 1.
we trade down both of our first round picks so we end up with a pick in the low 20s, a pick in the high 20s, an extra 2nd round or an extra 3rd round.
1a. If spiller is available, we grab him. If not Iupati will probably be available.
1b. Joeseph Barksdale OT, LSU. LSU’s right tackle is far better than their left tackle. If we got Iupati and Barksdale our O-line will be locked down for 15-20 years
2a. Best pass rusher available
2b. the inverse of our 1b pick. If we got Iupati we get a really really fast guy. if we got spiller we get a gaurd. unless an exception defensive back has fallen.
3a & 3b: best defensive backs available. This draft is very deep, especially in safeties. We can get 3rd rounders who are better than our starters.
4. BPA, maybe a gaurd or something
5. Myron Rolle doesn’t fall past us here. I like that kid.
6. Chris Marinelli, OT, stanford. Gerhart didn’t get all those rushing yards on his own. His injury history will drop him this far, but we shouldn’t let him fall any further.
7. BPA
The reason I traded down both of our first round picks is because two of our biggest needs (RT, G) don’t go early in the first round. Rush linebackers will be there in round 2, and if Berry is gone the difference between Earl Thomas and a 2nd or 3rd round DB is pretty minimal. Maybe Joe Haden, but I’m not really sold on him.
We also need some speed. If your two fastest players are a MLB and a TE, you need some speed. Watching DeSean Jackson today I thought of what a huge benefit a player like that would bring. CJ Spiller is like a Jackson who can run the ball. Spiller probably could play receiver too.
And for those of you saying we would have to trade gore to use spiller, Carolina, Dallas, NYG, Philly, NO and SD all have 2 runningbacks and are doing fine.
No Coffee is not a #2 back. He is a backup. he runs exactly the same way as gore, just a lot worse.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 14, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions
The difference between Earl Thomas and the next safety on the list is huge
Mays will be playing OLB with his coverage skills and Thomas’ coverage skills are good enough to play corner. After those two nobody is close
Thomas is good in run support, great in coverage and an elite athlete. There is a reason why he’s in the top 15 by Scouts Inc.
Also I thought all of Stanford’s line is returning
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 14, 2009 6:07 AM PST up reply actions
Addressing DB or T after round 1 without a FA pickup in one of the positions
Will further dedicate us to mediocrity!
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Because...
… starters can’t be found in round two!
Not neccessarily
But when you have two first round picks you don’t use them for A a position we don’t NEED, or B draft a player that will be there in round 2.
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Eh.
I tend to keep out of draft speculation right now because there’s still so much that can change. My belief that NEED should never be the primary motivation for a first round pick is pretty well known around here.
I just don’t think that it’d be ZOMG TOTAL FAIL if the 49ers don’t manage to end up with a DB or T with the first two picks. I’d hope they can address them both with stellar players (i.e. guys like Berry and Bulaga), but without knowing who’s going to be available in round two right now, jumping off the bridge is a bit hasty.
RT’s and FS can always be found in the second and third round. IF the 49ers can find themselves an impact player in some other way in the first round, I’m all ears.
Again, it’s all speculation (hence the big IF) because I don’t believe in mocks and such this early.
I’m not sure buluga is a stellar player. I haven’t seen him play, but I haven’t heard anything to make me think he’s a gaurunteed home run. most of what I’ve heard is good, not great. and we don’t need a left tackle, so why use a left tackle pick and pay left tackle money to a right tackle?
and I have us getting a tackle with our 2nd pick. I would take barksdale over buluga at any pick.
and reaching for need instead of going after value in the first round will not pay off in the long run. I think if we don’t trade down we will be reaching for need.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 14, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Clearly...
… I’m not suggesting the 49ers reach for need. I think Berry is a pretty special player at safety and Bulaga is a very solid OT.
The 49ers aren’t going to be drafting very high, so the idea that it’s a “left tackle pick,” is a little bit off. At the very highest, I think the Panthers pick will be around the #10 pick, maybe a little below. That’s where I think Berry has value (I don’t think I’d take him above #8 or #9). The 49ers’ own first rounder will probably be closer to #20 than anything, which is a pretty okay spot to take a RT, IMO.
As I mentioned in the opening of my comment: I’m all for BPA, even if that means the 49ers don’t end up with a safety or OT. I want to see how the the top of the first round projects in a few months before committing to any players, really.
Look at the Panther remaining games on the schedule!
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Don't forget that we have the Panther's pick next year
and it will probably be around 8 or 9
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I thought...
… I pointed out that we had the Panther’s pick.
At the very highest, I think the Panthers pick will be around the #10 pick, maybe a little below.
As it stands, the Panthers’ pick would be #11, I think. Looking at their last games, it’s possible they move up to #8 or #9. Still around #10.
Young players currently on 49ers roster to watch
Let’s keep in mind the players that are currently on the roster as well that will be in competition for jobs next year. Especially when talking about some of these draft picks. I see alot of people making some lower round picks that we possibly already have on the roster. Here’s a list of some guys that I think could possibly break through:
1. Reggie Smith (SS) 2008 – 3rd round (12th pick)
Smith has the potential to compete and take Lewis’ job from him if he can stay healthy. There is alot of upside to Smith and I think he can do a great job. If he steps up next year, he will have a starting role as part of the Niners future.
2. Tarell Brown (CB) 2007 – 5th round (10th pick)
Brown has played a bit inconsistent this year but at times made some great plays on defending the ball. He’s a decent tackler but needs to get a bit more agressive if he wants to lock up that #2 spot for the future. For a 5th rounder, I think he has proven to have a bit of value from that slot in the draft.
3. Diyral Briggs LOLB Undrafted out of Bowling Green
Singletary saw enough from Briggs to bring him up from the practice squad and has said nothing but positives about this guy. I cannot wait to see more (on the field) as to what Sing claims about him.
4. Scott McKillop ILB 2009 – 5th round (10th pick)
When Takeo is ready to leave, I think Scotty is going to do an excellent job at replacing me. I said this in another thread but his attitude reminds me a bit of a young Bill Romanowski. Next to Willis, the sky is the limit for Scotty. He has also been a special teams stud.
5. Ricky Jean-Francois DLE 2009 – 7th round (35th pick)
With Balmer out, Francois really has his opportunity to show us what his true worth is in the NFL. He will most likely get the time that Balmer was getting. If he even plays a but below par, he will still be an upgrade from Balmer. Who knows, he may just shock us all and crush some QB’s. I won’t hold my breath but sometimes you fins gems in the later rounds (i.e. Tom Brady).
6. Brit Miller FB Undrafted out of Illinois
Like Scott McKIllop mentioned above, last week Miller was killing people on special teams. He went nuts in the preseason and he catches the ball really well also. He really is working his tail off to make himself a starter in the NFL and I think he is going to accomplish his goals. I am really sold on Miller even with such a small sample size to go off of. The intensity when he plays speaks for itself. I think we did find a gem here. Very smart to bring him off the practice squad before someone snatched him up. He is making a very good case to take over for Norris next season.
7. Chris Patrick RT Undrafted out of Nebraska
This is the guy we stole off of Kansas City’s practice squad if you all remember. I am not sure how good this guy is and I know we got him because of our injuries. However, whoever made the decision to grab him obviously did see enough of him to know we wanted him. He is a bit lighter than your prototypical Tackle weighing only 280 but I think that this means that he is probably a more muscular and quick type of guy…maybe just what we need. The downfall possibly is that he could get tossed around by guys like Dwight Freeney and Demarcus Ware, guys like that. We will see him preseason though and hopefully have a better idea of what he is bringing. If we draft a guy, I hope that Patrick is good enough to give him a run for his money. All that would mean is we would have 2 solid options at RT with hopefully Snyder out.
The rest of the younger guys, like Crabtree, I obviously did not include because they already have their respective spots locked up. This was just more or less to give you all something else to consider when doing these mock drafts and or wish lists for the 2010 season.
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Scott McKillop ILB 2009 – 5th round (10th pick)
When Takeo is ready to leave, I think Scotty is going to do an excellent job at replacingme.
him* rather haha. One of those late night errors
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
With Balmer out, Francois really has his opportunity to show us what his true worth is in the NFL. He will most likely get the time that Balmer was getting. If he even plays abutbit below par, he will still be an upgrade from Balmer. Who knows, he may just shock us all and crush some QB’s. I won’t hold my breath but sometimes youfinsfind gems in the later rounds (i.e. Tom Brady).
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I can see you put yourself into the games. Do you think they should re-sign you?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I'm with you
I like McKillop, I love Brit Miller, I think Ricky Jean-Francois has a great deal of upside. I also think Tarrell Brown has played pretty well for a young player—I didn’t get why he was benched after the GB game. I’m still not sure about Reggie Smith. I’d like to see what he can do with a full season.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Smith
His injuries kept him from showing us the talent he truly has. Another guy that I followed thoughout his college career at OU and he was a ball hawk…just like what he displayed agains the 1st stringers he faced in this years preseason.
If we do get lucky and Berry falls to us, we could have not one, but two ball hawking safeties back there next season.
Plus you know what they say…great things come in threes. Smith’s = Alex Smith, Justin Smith, Reggie Smith…ha ha.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
still wondering why Madden has him as our PR
did he return kicks in college much? Or maybe EA Sports just knew how dire our PR situation was and randomly selected someone??
No
He (Smith), alot like Brandon Jones only did it a few times at OU. I don’t know what our ST’s coach is doing with all this experimenting. Maybe he is on the bubble and he is searching for a miracle answer in one of the bench guys to save his job.
I have a feeling that Arnaz Battle will do them for the rest of the yea which is not exaactly comforting. This definitely needs to be addressed in the offseason in my opinion
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I really liked him too in college
He was my favorite pick of that draft but hasn’t shown anything yet. I’d really like him to get on the field towards the end of the season. We already know what Lewis brings so why not?
Goldson showed he still belongs in the equation going forward. He’s made some mistakes but he’s young and should continue to improve. Most of his mistakes come from trying to make big hits, if he calms down a bit he should be alright.
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
What about Dexter McCluster
Anyone know when he is projected to be drafted? That guy can fly and would look real nice in a niner uniform
I've seen 3rd rd. in mocks
Which I’d have no problem drafting him there. Type of player who can help special teams and add wrinkles to your offense. He jumps out at you when you watch Ole Miss play.
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
Why isn't anyone talking about Atogwe?
If we brought him in, we’d have a top drawer, 28-year-old ball-hawking, turnover-causing Safety and could leave Berry, Thomas, and Mays alone and probably not pay what he’s worth because he’s been on IR while the Rams have been tanking and because he plays for the Rams, who aren’t exactly lighting the league on fire. Then we could focus on OLine and maybe pick up our NT of the future in Terrence Cody.
Jason Hill is turning the corner!
Because he's a RFA
and we’d probably have to give up a 1st and a 3rd to get him.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Clutches with straining fingers to the draft picks
No no no no!!!! LOL You won’t take my draft picks! You won’t! LOL
Yep we don’t want to have to give up picks unless it’s the only way we can accomplish something. We should be able to get at least Thomas, and maybe luck up and get Berry. Too many needs to us the picks like they were candy.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 14, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Would he be a UFA if there is a new CBA ?
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Depends...
… on the wording in the new CBA. If it maintains the same free agency rules, then yes, Atogwe would be a UFA.
Did the team agree not to franchise him again?
Think I remember hearing that during the offseason
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
Most teams only franchise a player one year
It’s kind of an un-written rule.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
atogwe is injured and they haven’t been thrilled with him.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 15, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett
deceided not to declare this year for the NFL draft.
The news just broke
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I was just coming to report that too!
That changes the mock a bit at the top…does bradford move up or does a team who would have taken Locker change the position they draft now?
Maybe not
Tony Pike or Jimmy Clausen would probably move up before Bradford. Bradfor with that shoulder problem will hurt his stock some. McCoy depending on how he does in the National Championship could move up as well
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
do you think another QB instantly just takes Locker's spot
for same team in draft? Or does it change the team’s approach who would have drafted Locker?
Depends on the team I suppose
and who they already have as their QB.
A team like the Rams will probably go with a QB regardless.
A team like Cleveland…probably would change things had they had Locker as their first pick.
There’s also teams like Seattle who could have been shopping and maybe only had Locker as the only QB on their board. Sort of like a “if he’s there still, we’ll get him”.
There are just way too many variables to know that for sure. It’s probably a case by case situation.
But certain QB’s stock status goes up because of the announcements
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Yeah I think Clausen's stock goes up
Bradford might move up a couple of spots but only because teams are desperate for QBs
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
for us it means 1 less team picking a quarterback and 1 more team that might target eric berry.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 14, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
I would say yeah when the need is that great
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idiot
Ask Bradford if he would like to have changed his mind.
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Stafon Johnson
from USC will also announce himself (with his own voice) that he is declaring for the NFL. This is the guy that was in the weight lifting accident that crushed 70% of his larynx.
His career stats in college were: 271 attempts-1552 yards-19 TD’s
Here will go very late in the draft if he even gets drafted. He may go undrafted due to the injury. I have a feeling someone will give him a shot depending on how well the injury healed up. He may be about equivelent to a Glen Coffee or someone like that.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I noticed in the video
he would not be a solution to our return problems as well
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
our DEFENSE is boss! NEW PLAN....
Trade 3rd round pick and 2nd first round pick to move up.
Grab BERRY when we can make a trade. We know that we have a dominate front seven and some great depth to back it up. Defense wins championships
FS- Eric Berry
Tot Solo Assist Sck FF INT
SS- Dashon Goldson 84 70 14 2 3 3
Season Stats
ESPN's insider???
Anyone out there have access to ESPN insider? Todd McShay posted his mock draft 1.0 and I was just curious to see who he thinks the niners will select with their two first round draft picks.
McShay has Haden going to the 49ers at #11 and Kindle at # 13 (Carolina)
He obviously does not look at the standings or the schedule.
Carolina is tied for # 7 at 5 – 8 with 3 other teams and they would probably have the tuffest scedule.
The 49ers are tied for # 12 with 4 other teams
I would say that our picks right now are #7 and # 13
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From FanPost
Yeah I know, another WR in the first round, and he has Deon Sanders issues. Guess what? We are in desperate need of help on the return team. Between Arnaz Battle, Brandon Jones, and Delanie Walker we are approaching 10 fumbles for the season returning kicks. Nate Clements our 80 million dollar man, and starting CB has been out for 4 weeks due to returning punts.
Our 2nd string TE is currently our kickoff returner. Between B.Jones, and A.Battle we are averaging about 2 yards per punt return. Horrible, especially when you factor in all the fumbles. Michael Robinson is doing descent work with 23 yards per KR with just 17 returns. We suck in getting good field position. I don’t know why Chicago stopped utilizing Devin Hester. You don’t deactivate an explosive player like that….
I know we have many other needs, but those needs can be addressed from rounds 2-7. O-Line, CB, S, RB Red-Zone WR 6’4" 40" vertical type(Vincent Jackson in FA maybe? HMMM. I can’t wait till the off-season, although We still have a chance this year to get a wild-card spot. All we need to do is win the rest of our games, and hope Arizona loses 2 more…Keep the faith…..Peace…Stelf Bombz
I don't know about that, to the groin.
Dez Bryant over CJ Spiller? if we’re spending a round 1 pick on a return man I’d rather have spiller.
And the Deon Sanders issues are a big deal to this team after what they cost us last year. And don’t forget if Spiller were 2 in taller (he’s 5-11) he would be a formidable receiver.
don’t forget Mardy Gilyard, Jacoby Ford and Dexter McCluster will be there in later rounds.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
and of course javier arenas, who can also play CB
by hellaninersfan on Dec 15, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I like Gilyard
He adjusts to the ball well.
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Niners Mock Draft 2010
Hello everyone, I have been reading on here for over a year now but this is my first fan post. I have loved the Niners since I was a young child and no matter how bad they have been over nearly the last decade I have never lost faith in them. I believe, like many of you here that they are extremely close to being a top flight NFL team and with a few good draft picks and a little bit of luck they should be right near the top next year! This is how I am hoping this draft unfolds for us, please feel free to comment on how you feel about this scenario!
Version 1
1a. Joe Haden 5’11" 190 CB Florida (We move Clements to safety with Goldson to free up a spot for Haden)
1b. Bryan Bulaga 6’6" 312 T Iowa (We move him to RT and have bookends for years to come!)
2. MIke Iupati 6’5" 330 Iowa G (Insert at LG he should impact immediately)
3. Javier Arenas 5’9" 198 Alabama CB (He is great on Special Teams and he could be a solid NFL corner)
4. Brandon Carter 6’6" 334 Texas Tech G (He would compete for a starting spot immediately)
5. Larry Asante 6’0" 215 S Nebraska (Would be depth and special teams to begin could be a future starter)
6. Boo Robinson 6’1" 295 Wake Forest DT (This would be for depth and his potential)
7. Reggie Stephens 6’3" 334 Iowa State (We need help and depth on the oline)
Version 2
1a. Joe Haden CB Florida
1b. Bryan Bulaga T Iowa
2. Best WR Availabe- Bryant-Benn-Tate if none are there go with Iupati G
3. Mitch Petrus G Arkansas
4. Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
5. John Jerry G Ole Miss
6. Myron Rolle or Larry Asante if available
7. Brandon Banks WR Kansas State or Trindon Holliday WR LSU both are burners who return kicks! sub 4.3 speed
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation’s writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation’s writers or editors.
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I like the joe haden pick. Yes he got beat a lot by Lafell, but I think part of that may be due to them using a lot of zone in that game. For whatever reason poeple on this board think he got beat by Julio Jones in the alabama game, but that doesn’t seem to have any basis in reality. Jones had 2 catches for 10 and 18 yards, and haden wasn’t covering him on either play. didn’t see him anywhere on the 18 yard play, must have been on another reciever. on the 10 yard play it was a quick slant route, and haden was either playing off or blitzing, couldn’t tell in the video, but either way its not his fault.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone have anymore game links to Florida/Haden
Couldn’t find much of the Alabama game online. The LSU game provided the most tape I’ve seen.
Would be nice to see other pro prospect match-ups too.
by abasketballfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone got any info on Ras-i Dowling?
Sounds like he could do either CB or FS, kind of looks intriguing
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 15, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Haden/ Lafell
Alot of those were 1 on 1 matchups, not sure where the zone stuff is coming from. Lafell is an NFL caliber player and Haden was completely out of his element playing against him.
The JOnes thing was way too small of a sample to go off of. They barely passed the ball and Alabama’s Oline and Mark Ingram worked that defense (including Haden) on the run.
Haden is the best CB coming out of the draft but there is not a true star at that position coming out in this years draft. There could be a hidden talent somewhere in the later rounds that is getting any recognition but Haden is a waste of a pick IMO for one of our #1’s…or anyone’s for that matter.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I want another star reciever cause Crabtree... wow
he’s lookin like he has that pro bowl talent in the future.
I wouldn’t mind a 2nd round WR
I say we go defense with our first two picks and become the #1 D in the league! HA HA
Berry/McClain
McClain/Thomas
Haden/McClain
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