Official Updated NN Offseason Discussion Thread (12/18/09) ...Continued
by Drew Kerr on Dec 18, 2009 12:19 PM PST
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After an impressive win at home against the division rival Cardinals in week 14 of the 2009 Season, we have not quite flatlined just yet in our chances of making the playoffs. Even though there is still a bit of hope, it would literally take the Cards, Giants, Falcons, and Dallas totally falling apart; at least 3 out of the 4. Chances of that happening are running very thin. It is my opinion that there is very very little chance that the Cardinals will lose to either the Rams or the Lions, although stranger things have happened. The Rams will be lead by 3rd string rookie QB Keith Null and the Lions will be without their starting RB Kevin Smith. Our best chances will be through the wildcard now which still is a long-shot.
One of our draft picks went down and one went up this week. Alot has changed in both the AFC and NFC as far as standings go in the last few weeks.
This week smileyman and I will be taking a look at the top DE's and Guards in this weeks discussion that will be available in the upcoming season. We will also be taking a look at one division per conference (2 total) and the individual teams in the divisions indicidual position needs. This week smileyman will be doing the AFC East (Patriots, Dolphins, Jets, Bills) and I will be doing the NFC East (Eagles, Dallas, Redskins, Giants).
I just wanted to mention on a sidenote that Eric Berry has moved up to the #2 rated player coming out of college behind Suh in the 2010 Draft which means it is very likely that a team will draft him in the top 5. This stat is according to Todd McShay (ESPN Expert Draft Analyst). Now I'm not suggesting that that is definitely going to happen but it is certainly looking that way.
We all know that the 49ers could use some help and depth at the Guard positions. Last night both guards actually played very good. The words "very good" are rarely used and atatchde to David Baas' or Chilo Rachal's names. The continuity on the Offensive Line has certainly helped and they have been starting to play as more of a unit as of late. Even though they've played a bit better, I think it still needs to be addressed in the draft. I am sure I am not the only one. Usually I do my own write-ups for each position but for the Guards this week I am just going to link a few sites explaining the players values.
TOP 5 NCAA GUARDS
1. Mike Iupati (Idaho) 6'6" 330
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1137494
2. Mike Pouncey (Florida) 6'5" 320
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273190
3. Mike Johnson (Alabama) 6'6" 303
Has played both Tackle and Guard for Alabama but will most likely be drafted as a Guard. Helped Mark Ingram with the other 4 guys become the 1st player in the history of University of Alabama win the Heisman Trophy.
http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2009/12/alabama_has_a_school-record_si.html
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/johnson_mike00.html
4. Vladimir Ducasse (UMass) 6'5" 338
http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ducasse_vladimir00.html
5. Sergio Render (Virginia Tech) 6'3" 319
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/558723
Some of those at NN have been promoting drafting a pass rusher, a DE in the 1st round. While I do not agree completely due to the fact that we run a 3-4 defense and most often your LB's are your pass rushers, it's still an interesting concept. With what the defense is currently doing, it is hard to justify a 1st round pick here unless Derrick Morgan is there still for our 2nd pick. However, he in most mocks and draft boards is rated very high. I also personally like the players we have on this roster for this position and think we can maybe wait on this one here.
TOP 5 NCAA DEFENSIVE ENDS
1. Derrick Morgan (Georgia Tech) 6'4" 270
As far as Defensive Ends go here, all the pro's and just about everyone who has insightful knowledge have Morgan rated as the #1 DE in the 2010 Draft this year. You talk about a motor never shutting down and Derrick Morgan's name comes to mind. Very fast off the snap and great moves with his hands to break free.
2. Carlos Dunlap (Florida) 6'6" 290
Despite Dunlap's off the field issues, I think that if he can show enough genuine remorse and does as well as he can at the combine, his draft stock will stay put. His talent on the field is too much to pass up for one inmature mistake made off the field. The one thing we know about the NFL is they are very forgiving if players can honestly admit they made a mistake.
3. Greg Hardy (Ole Miss) 6'4" 265
Hardy had a wrist injury about midway through the 2009 season and has struggled to stay healthy in years past. However, the upside with Hardy is going to be too hard for NFL teams to ignore. The injuries will hurt his stock some but he in my opinion is rated within the top 5 Defensive Ends. Before his injury this season, he had already accumulated 5 sacks this season. He will have finished with 26.5 for his college career.
4. Jermaine Cunningham (Florida) 6'3" 253
On the other side of Dunlap, Cunningham made teams have to dread being hit from either side. The dynamic duo was the backbone of Florida's season this year. The rest of the entire defense thrived from both Dunlap and Cunningham's play. Much like Dunlap, Cunningham has had some off the field related issues as well early in his collegiate career, however, has not been in trouble since. It was kind of an inmature incident in getting in a physical fight over a bag of chips. Teams do consider thing like this but they also consider everything as a whole.
5. Ricky Sapp (Clemson) 6'4" 245
I had the privelage of being able to watch every Clemson game this season and besides C.J. Spiller and Jacoby Ford on offense, Ricky Sapp was definitely the most entertaining to watch in my opinion. I don't think he would fit very well in a 3-4 defense but he would be explosive in a 4-3. It is also a possibilty that he could be converted to an OLB. My guess is that he'll put on a bit of weight and stay at a DE but drafted by a team that runs a 4-3 defense.
Here now are the Guards and DE's that will be free agents assuming there is a new CBA put together by smileyman:
TOP 5 GUARD FREE AGENTS NFL
Jahri Evans
Age: 26
Seasons in the League: 4th season
Salary: $2.792 million
Status: UFA
Stats: Jahri Evans is one of the most talented guards in the NFL. New Orlean's line is ranked 2nd in run blocking and 4th in pass blocking according to Football Outsiders. Evans is a large part of that. Runs off the guard spot are three times as successful for New Orleans as are any other runs, which says a great deal about this talented player. He's only had 3 penalties this year (2 holding, 1 false start), and only allowed 1.5 sacks.
Summary: I'll be shocked if his contract isn't extended in the off-season. He was a RFA last year and the Saints gave him the highest RFA tender, so I'm pretty sure they want him around. If he manages to escape we need to go out and grab him.
Logan Mankins
Age: 27
Seasons in the League: 5th season
Salary: $1.4 million
Status: UFA
Stats: Although New England is not the terror that they once were they still have one of the best lines in the game. Their run blocking is ranked 7th according to FO and their pass blocking is 2nd best in the league (behind only Indy). Even though they're ranked 7th overall in run blocking, their run blocking from their guards is ranked number 5, and is a big part of their success. Logan Mankin has had a few penalties against him this year (3 holding and 3 false starts), but has only allowed 1 sack.
Summary: Mankins has said that he would like to extend his contract to keep playing for the Patriots. I'm sure that will get done, if not there will be lots of teams wanting to court him.
Eugene Amano
Age: 27
Seasons in the League: 6th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $1.2 million
Stats: Tennesee is not the juggernaut that they were last year, though they've rebounded the last half of the season. Their line is ranked 20th overall in the run, but surprisingly enough they're ranked 3rd in the pass. Amano has certainly done a great job this year. He's only had 4 penalties (all holding) and has only allowed 1/2 a sack (no, I don't know how you get credited for allowing just 1/2 a sack).
Summary: Tennessee has sure gotten good value out of Amano. They selected him in the 7th round with a compensatory pick, and he's played in all but one games since 2004. He worked his way into the starting lineup last year and has kept the job this year. He's a versatile lineman as he can also play center if need be and tackle (which he played in college). Good upgrade for us if TN doesn't resign him.
Harvey Dahl
Age: 28
Seasons in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $1.545 million
Stats: Atlanta is ranked 16th in run blocking but 7th overall in pass blocking. They have a difficult time running off guard though as they're ranked 28th in the league in that spot--so Dahl isn't necessarily an upgrade there for us (though those stats are still better than what we can manage). Dahl has allowed 2.5 sacks this year, but only one penalty which is very smart play.
Summary: Dahl would be an upgrade for us as well, though I don't know that it's a huge one. He's had an ankle injury that's kept him out of a few games, so it will be interesting to see how that impacts his offseason.
Chris Kuper
Age: 26
Seasons in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $1.01 million
Stats: Denver is ranked number 1 in run blocking. That's a pretty impressive feat, especially since they were ranked #1 last year too. Their pass blocking is very good as well--they're ranked 9th overall in pass blocking. Chris Kuper was drafted in the 5th round and worked his way into the starting spot in 2007. He has only 2 penalties on the year (1 holding, 1 false start), but has allowed 4 sacks.
Summary: Chris Kuper is a decent guard. However, the success of the Denver offensive line is based more on their coach than any individual talent that their linemen possess. Rick Dennison has coached the O-line since 2001 (he also served briefly as offensive coordinator). In that time his lines have had 3 number 1 seasons according to FO. He's only finished out of the top 10 once. I'd be wary about picking up a lineman from that system as I think they'll suffer the same fate that Denver's backs do when they leave.
Other linemen of note that are FA:
Richie Icognito who was just released by the Rams
David Baas
Mike Brisiel (who just suffered a serious foot injury)
For a comparison here are the stats for our offensive line:
Barry Sims: 2 penalties (both false starts). 1.5 sacks allowed
David Baas: 1 penalty (holding), 4 sacks allowed
Eric Heitman: 1 penalty (holding), .5 sack allowed
Chilo Rachal: 1 penalty (false start), 4 sacks allowed
Adam Snyder: 2 penalties (both false starts), 8 sacks allowed!
TOP 5 FREE AGENT DEFENSIVE ENDS NFL
Julius Peppers
Age: 29
Seasons in the League: 9th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $16.683 million
Stats: 29 tackles, 8.5 sacks, 1 INT, 1 TD (off the INT). 5 FF
Summary: Julius Peppers has not had the most productive year. In fact this is his worst year since he was a rookie. Granted he did break his hand and Carolina has only been using him in passing downs for the past couple of games but for a $16 million paycheck he'd better be doing better than that. At 283 lbs Peppers is almost perfect for the 3-4. In fact he's said often that he would like to play in a 3-4. The idea of a front 3 consisting of Smith, Franklin, and Peppers is a fantastic idea--but not at $16.7 million per year.
Elvis Dumervil
Age: 25
Seasons in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $535,000
Stats: 38 tackles, 15(!) sacks, 3 FF.
Summary: Dumervil has been an incredible force this year. He's playing big time ball and is only 1 away from tying the Bronco team record. 11 of his sacks have come on 3rd down--that's an incredibly powerful statistic. Right now he's being severely underpaid. Should the Broncos not throw franchise money at him he'd be a great addition to our D-line.
Johnny Jolly
Age: 26
Seasons in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $530,000
Stats: 20 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT.
Summary: Jolly is a decent end, but not really an upgrade over Sopoaga (in fact their stats are almost the same). He was just indicted for possession of 200 grams of codeine. He might get away with probation, but I'm sure that he'll be suspended for several games next season. Not worth picking up in my opinion.
Ray Edwards
Age: 24
Seasons in the League: 4th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $530,000
Stats: 35 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 1 FF
Summary: The law firm of Williams, Williams, and Allen gets all the praise in Minnesota but Edwards is an integral part of that defensive line. In fact according to FO teams have a tougher time running the ball at him than they do at the other side of the line. His play is pretty good but I don't know how well it would translate to a 3-4.
Marcus Spears
Age: 26
Seasons in the League: 5th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $735,000
Stats: 14 tackles, 2 sacks.
Summary: This has been a rather disappointing year for a former first round draft pick. He's been solid, but not spectacular this year and isn't a real upgrade for us.
If we could pick up anybody in FA to bolster our line I'd like us to grab Dumervil. He's been a monster in Denver and is playing for peanuts--we could get him for much cheaper than we could Julius Peppers.
Here now are the NFC East and AFC East teams needs starting with the NFC teams and ending with the AFC teams:
NFC EAST TEAM NEEDS
Offense:
The Eagles are pretty much set on offense I would say after reviewing all of the starters. They will be set with McNabb and Kolb as the two QB's next year. I do not see Michael Vick staying for the second year on the option contract so they will go for one either free agency or late in the draft for their 3rd string QB.
The O-line is pretty stacked and set. They have the WR's I think they want in the lineup already and the TE is emerging as one of the better TE's in the NFC.
Defense:
This is where I look for the Eagles to go in the draft considering all the above said. 18th defending the pass and 10th against the run. However the interior of the D-line in Mike Patterson and Broderick Buckley have only combined in 1.5 sacks and 75 tackles. Quentin Mikel was getting beat the other night like he stole something. He has only 1 INT but has 73 tackles; the coverage has been a problem here. Sean Jones has not been too great either, at least not something to write home about. He has 54 tackles and 2 INT's. They are set at CB and may not address that until later in the draft or wait until next years.
Draft prediction:
DT, S, or OLB.
Offense:
The Giants have a bunch of young players on offense. They currently rank 12th in passing and 10th in the rush. They have a solid offensive line and a very good TE. I do not see the Giants drafting in the 1st round on offense. They will mature on offense next year with the currently young and inexperienced players they have in position.
Defense:
The Giants are currently ranked 9th against the pass and 9th also against the rush. Althought the stats don't show it, the Giants have some glaring holes in the interior of their D-Line as well as the Secondary. The 4 DT's they currently have are not doing too well. It has mostly been the spectacular play of the DE's on the D-line that have kept them so competitive against the run. At FS Michael Johnson has had 1 INT and 44 tackles; he has not been in position alot and left alot to the CB's to defend alone. Aaron Rouse and C.C. Brown have not been good at all at the SS position either. Brown has been okay against the run but has lacked what it takes in coverage to start in the NFL.
Draft prediction:
DT or S
Offense:
Dallas ranks 7th in passing and 7th in rushing yards. The O-line has done well enough and Jason Witten would be last of the offensive bunch to get replaced. I would be hard pressed to justify an offensive pick for Dallas in the 1st round. It would take a really special player falling to Jerry Jones in order for him to go offense this year.
Defense:
Dallas' defense ranks 21st against the pass and 8th against the rush. I think it is real clear here where the Cowboys need to or should draft this year with such a gaping hole. They are hurting really bad for some safety help and I can easily see them gong with Earl Thomas or Taylor Mays. Thomas would be the hometown favorite from the University of Texas but if he is gone, Jerry won't hesitate to pull the trigger on Mays. Newman and Jenkins have not had the best year either so it would not surprise me to see him go this route in replacing one of them as well.
Draft prediction:
S or CB
Offense:
Currently ranked 16th in the pass and 23rd in the rush I believe that the Redskins will draft on the offensive side of the ball this year. Almost any position on offense could be upgraded so it's real tough to gage where they will go. I think they are set on the WR's and TE's and there is some real upside there. Jason Campbell has shown to be a bit better down the stretch but not enough in the end I think to secure his job. The offensive line has been very streaky and inconsistent so they could go here possibly too.
Defense:
Washington currently ranks 4th against the pass so it is safe to assume that they will not draft a CB, S, or LB in the 1st. The defensive line was just expensively upgraded with Haynesworth and they currently rank 22nd against the run. I just cannot see them spending $100+ million on a guy and then spending close to that on a rookie in the 1st also. They will wait for Haynesworth to anchor the line. They could shock everyone though and go with a DE; it's possible.
Draft prediction:
QB, RB, OT, or DE
Let's take a look now at the AFC East and what smileyman has put together for us:
AFC EAST TEAM NEEDS
Offense:
Currently ranked 2nd overall. Their strength is in the passing game. In the run game they rank 14th overall, and this because of a solid offensive line. Their running backs are pedestrian at best. Faulk is 33, and Morris is 32.
Defense:
Currently ranked 11th overall. They are weaker in the run (16th overall) than in the pass (14th overall), but only allow 18 pts per game and only 320 yards per game. Very stout here.
In speaking with Pats fans over at the PatsPulpit they seem to think that OLB is their biggest need, followed by DE. My guess for the first round is BPA, with a focus on RB, OLB, and DE.
Offense:
Currently ranked 18th overall. Their real strength is in the rushing game thanks to the wildcat, which they excel in. They are ranked 3rd in rushing, but a lousy 26th in passing. Of course it doesn't help that they have no playmaker WR and that they're starting a 2nd year QB.
Defense:
The Dolphins weakness is their defense, especially in the air. Nothing illustrates this point more than their Monday night game against the Colts. The Dolphins controlled the clock for 45 min, yet Peyton Manning still managed to find a way to win.
Needs. Over at ThePhinsider, fans seem split as to what their number one needs are. Some say ILB, others WR. Personally I think they go ILB in the first round since I can't see Bill Parcells spending another first round pick on WR.
Offense:
Currently ranked 19th overall. Even though they lost Leon Washington earlier in the year due to injury their run game has kept on churning. They're ranked #1 right now and Thomas Jones has over 1000 yards on the season. Their passing is abysmal though. They're ranked 30th overall in the passing game and their number one receiver is Jericho Cotchery. We know they need a true #1, which is why they tried to tamper with Crabtree and why the picked up Braylon Edwards.
Defense:
Their defense is one of the best in the league. They're ranked #1 against the run, #11 against the pass and #1 in points allowed per game (only 16.2).
The Jets are situated to really make a difference next year. Four of their six losses have been by 7 pts or less. Their big needs are on offense and the folks over at GangGreen seem to agree. I think they target whichever WR is the BPA when they pick. (Today they had a front page post talking about Golden Tate).
Offense:
The Bills' offense is horrid. They have struggles everywhere. Ranked 29th overall, 29th in passing, 17th in the run, 26th in points per game, 29th in yards per game, 27th in touchdowns scored. Trent Edwards isn't the answer for them at quarterback and it appears that Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't either. Marshall Lynch and Fred Jackson are their RBs, and their number one receiver is TO.
Defense:
The good news for the Bills is that their defense isn't nearly as anemic as their offense. It's still bad (they're ranked 24th overall), but their passing defense is quite good (5th overall). Their safety Jairus Byrd is a stud--he's a rookie and leads the NFL in INTs. They need help on the ground though.
They have NE, Atl, and Indy next, so they should have a fairly high pick. My guess is that they go with defensive line, or if one of the top QB prospects is still available to them they grab him.
Here is the new draft order after Week 14. Some key players in college have decided to stay in college for one more season, so keep this in mind when doing the mock drafts.
1. ST. LOUIS RAMS (1-12) [PREVIOUSLY 3RD]
2. TAMPA BAY BUCS (1-12) [HELD]
3. DETROIT LIONS (2-11) [HELD]
4. CLEVELAND BROWNS (2-11) [PREVIOUSLY 1ST]
5. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (3-10) [PREVIOUSLY 6TH]
6. OAKLAND RAIDERS (4-9) [PREVIOUSLY 7TH]
7. WASHINGTON REDSKINS (4-9) [PREVIOUSLY 6TH]
8. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS FROM CAROLINA PANTHERS (5-8) [PREVIOUSLY 9TH]
9. DENVER BRONCOS FROM CHICAGO BEARS (5-8) [PREVIOUSLY 10TH]
10. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (5-8) [PRFVIOUSLY 11TH]
11. BUFFALO BILLS (5-8) [PREVIOUSLY 8TH]
12. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS (6-7) [HELD]
13. TENNESSEE TITANS (6-7) [PREVIOUSLY 14TH]
14. ATLANTA FALCONS (6-7) [PREVIOUSLY 18TH]
15. HOUSTON TEXANS (6-7) [PREVIOUSLY 13TH]
16. PITTSBURGH STEELERS (6-7) [PREVIOUSLY 17TH]
17. NEW YORK JETS (7-6) [PREVIOUSLY 15TH]
18. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS (7-6) [PREVIOUSLY 21ST]
19. MIAMI DOLPHINS (7-6) [PREVIOUSLY 16TH]
20. NEW YORK GIANTS (7-6) [HELD]
21. BALTIMORE RAVENS (7-6) [PREVIOUSLY 19TH]
22. DALLAS COWBOYS (8-5) [PREVIOUSLY 26TH]
23. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (8-5) [HELD]
24. ARIZONA CARDINALS (8-5) [PREVIOUSLY 27TH]
25. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS FROM DENVER BRONCOS (8-5) [HELD]
26. GREEN BAY PACKERS (9-4) [PREVIOUSLY 22ND]
27. CINCINNATI BENGALS (9-4) [PREVIOUSLY 29TH]
28. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (9-4) [PREVIOUSLY 24TH]
29. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS (10-3) [PREVIOUSLY 28TH]
30. MINNESOTA VIKINGS (11-2) [HELD]
31. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS (13-0) [HELD]
32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS (13-0) [HELD]
For those that want to keep the offseason discussions going don't hesitate to Rec it...thanks.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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Drew K. I was looking for the strength of schedule rules and found this.
Teams that did not make the playoffs are ordered by their regular-season record.
Remaining ties are broken by strength of schedule. For draft order, a lower strength of schedule results in an earlier pick. If strength of schedule does not resolve a tie, division and/or conference tiebreakers may be used.
Given this I can see where the 49ers would get a earlier pick but I was wondering why would Carolina?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Carolina
Out of all the teams that have the same exact record. All but 3 of the Panthers opponents have had winning records this season, or will have finished that way …and the last 3 games are against teams with winning records… Minnesota (11-2), New York Giants (7-6), and the Saints (13-0). The Bears, Seahawks, and Bills have all played more teams with loosing records..therefore a weaker schedule. So you are correct, I do have the Panthers out of place and they should in fact be the latest pick out of the 5-8 teams. However, The Bears (Detroit last game of the year), The Seahawks (The Bucs this week), and the Bills (Atlanta w/o possibly Turner and or Ryan next week) all have a better chance of winning 1 more game out of the next 3 than the Panthers. So I sort of fudged that one on purpose I guess. But only that pick.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I see what you did now. Of course I am seeing the 49ers winning all of their remaining games
and I see Arizona losing two of their remaining games. Adding those two thoughts together means the 49ers will have to go 6 – 0 and win the Superbowl. So our picks will be number 8 and number 32 and I will be happy with that.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Haha...nice
Yes, that would be great, but it’s definitely a long-shot. The odds in Vegas are probably 1,000,000/1 right now on that scenario.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I wonder, take a list of the players most likely to go in the first round
and then put them in a order of what NN sees them as and also what NN would prefer for their two picks.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Great idea Jim
And thanks Drew for getting thatl list together for us. Oh, Jim, I saw your post about FA and I understand that we don’t at the current time have a CBA in place but based on what smileyman and others have said it sounds like the possibilities (or expectations) are that we will have one. Are you hearing otherwise?
Thanks guys!
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 18, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
No, I have heard what you did... and that may open up two posts
One on who to pick if there is a CBA and the other is there isn’t. If there is and the 49ers get a good FA RT then Bulaga may not need to be picked. Although I would love to have a top backup for our OT spot.
So maybe Berry and Bulaga could morph into Berry and Spiller
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Always good to get a good FA RT
I know, immature…but anyway….made me laugh.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
Hopefully they don't sign a FA RT that is a FART
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Scout's Inc Top 32
Although all 32 will not go in the 1st round…some falling in to the 2nd due to specific teams needs, this should give us something to work off of.
1. Eric Berry* S Tennessee 97
2. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 97
3. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 96
4. Joe Haden* CB Florida 96
5. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 96
6. Russell Okung OT Okla. State 96
7. Rolando McClain* ILB Alabama 96
8. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 95
9. Jake Locker* QB Washington 95
10. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 95
11. Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma 94
12. Earl Thomas* S Texas 94
13. Dez Bryant* WR Okla. State 94
14. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 94
15. Navorro Bowman* OLB Penn State 94
16. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 93
17. Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 93
18. Taylor Mays S USC 93
19. Bruce Carter* OLB North Carolina 92
20. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 92
21. Carlos Dunlap* DE Florida 92
22. Jahvid Best* RB California 92
23. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 92
24. Bruce Campbell OT Maryland 92
25. Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 92
26. Golden Tate* WR Notre Dame 91
27. Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 91
28. Jimmy Clausen* QB Notre Dame 90
29. Arthur Jones DT Syracuse 90
30. Jonathan Dwyer* RB Georgia Tech 90
31. Vladimir Ducasse G UMass-Amherst 90
32. Ricky Sapp DE Clemson 90
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
It has not been updated
as you can see Locker is still up there for some reason
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
No
He has been for a while… but I like Mays better because he doesn’t have as dominant of a front 7 as Earl Thomas does. He (Thomas) was actually a nominee for a couple awards that Berry won by a large margin… but so was Mays. Thomas is up there in ranking. I just like Mays’ potential more.
If we could get Berry and Mays that would be pretty cool. Berry at FS and Mays at SS. You go to the right and get knocked out, you go to the left and get knocked out….haha. Obviously I am not serious, it is sort of a fun hypothetical though.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
why not serious?
I’ve been dreaming about Berry at FS and Mays at SS for the last couple of weeks.
I’m not even a big Mays fan because he was over-rated in the past, but those two would cover so much ground that it would be nearly impossible to exploit the Niners deep.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 19, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Thomas covers better than Mays
but nobody in college football brings the wood like Mays does. And you can teach Mays to wrap up. Mays needs to just be slotted as an OLB cause nobody wants him covering against the NFL’s elite
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:27 AM PST up reply actions
I think no matter what
QBs are always placed at a premium by these lists and ultimately by teams. At this time last season, Im sure Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman (especially Sanchez and Freeman) werent considered the 10 or 15 best draft prospects, but the demand for a frnachise QB eclipses all of that. This bodes well for us in trying to get Berry if 2 qbs get snatched up in the top 5-6 picks.
Too bad Locker is staying put.
One less quarterback for another team to pick.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
So the question of the day becomes...
Do teams interested in Locker look to address other team weaknesses or do they draft another QB higher?
The Best QB
with the most upside staying out. Not good for us
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:29 AM PST up reply actions
is Hughes THIS much of an under-thought?
he has great value and according to this he can be a sleeper in the second round.
I want winners! I want people that WANT to win!
Ever since Vernon Gholston
3-4 OLBs are falling
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 18, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Which is good for us
But I can’t see the Pats passing on him. If we can move 1 slot ahead of the Pats with our lower round picks and a guy we don’t need (Harelson) snatch him
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:30 AM PST up reply actions
Haralson was extended last offseason
He’s not going anywhere.
The pats trade all over the place, of course they really [site decorum]-ed us this past draft.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Haralson hasn't really done anything to warrent his extension
move him our 2nd and a 7th round pick to get just high enough to get him, which should be no higher than 25ish.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Assuming that we have a solid draft...
and upgrade in places such as OL, Secondary, KR/PR, what else do we need to make the leap and become an elite football team? I know most elite teams are defined by a top-tier quarterback (Manning, Rivers, McNabb), etc, but do we need to be like the Baltimore Ravens, who have an average QB but made the championship game last season?
It seems like we’re content with our d-line as well as our linebackers (especially now that the OLB trio is working together quite nicely), and our secondary sttill has solid-and-occasionally-spectacular pieces in Spencer, Clements, and Goldson. Our o-line needs a ton of work, but we have all pros/potential all pros at RB, TE, and our WR1.
In other words, we all know our “needs,” but what are the “wants” i.e. upgrades that can be done this offseason that will instantly turn us from a 8-8 or 9-7 “barely missed the playoffs or made it in as a fluke” to a consistent 10-6 and above team?
good question, hard to answer.
I think aside from focusing as much as possible on Oline and db’s, we go for BPA, which is easier said than done.
Three needs...
1)O-Line
2)DB’s (S/CB’s)
3)WR/PR
If those three needs are adequately addressed then San Francisco has a great shot at making the playoffs next year.
In my opinion
I think we are fine at CB. Especially if Walt Harris can come back and play as he did previous to his injury. Also if we get Bly back on another 1-year deal.
Would look fine with this:
Clements
Spencer
Brown
Bly
Harris
I think that is plenty.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
That is plenty...
Getting both Harris and Clements back would drastically improve secondary performance. Safety is an important position to improve, but I’m not convinced the performance difference between Berry or either Thomas or Mays makes it worth giving up a second first round pick plus additional second and third round picks.
i thought Walt's contract
only went thru 2010. Did the injury change that?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 18, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
I want more depth
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 18, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
All I saw was Bly's negatives
I almost don’t want him back at all if we have to pay him
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:30 AM PST up reply actions
He's playing for the minimum right now
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well minimum is alright.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
Berry, Hayden, Okung, Williams
I mean this is a pretty simple approach, but you could start with the thought that if Berry, Haden, Okung or Williams is still there when we draft, we go for one of them.
That is essentially a quasi BPA approach with a focus or filter…
Let's call it BPOOB :-)
Or take the P out and just have it Best ON Our Board. Sounds nice doesn’t it? Yep I agree that taking the best player with a skewing of your mind of best player being based on your priorities is a very good way to go.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 18, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
My take on the 32 presented
1. Eric Berry* S Tennessee 97 – Yes yes yes!
2. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 97 – A great 4-3 DT we play 3-4. No
3. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 96 – 4-3 DT. No
4. Joe Haden* CB Florida 96 – Interesting, no matter what Drew K might think LOL
5. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 96 – A possibility
6. Russell Okung OT Okla. State 96 – Love to have him even though our real current need is RT not LT
7. Rolando McClain* ILB Alabama 96 – ILB and probably not needed at this time.
8. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 95 – I think his stock has gone down from this position and there are more viable OT prospects but still an option later.
9. Jake Locker* QB Washington 95 – Not playing and we do not need a QB
10. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 95 – RB is not a top round need when we have Frank.
11. Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma 94 – We do not need a QB at this time.
12. Earl Thomas* S Texas 94 – Yes! If we don’t get Berry this guy would be a definite option
13. Dez Bryant* WR Okla. State 94 – Good possible player and WR is a need but a much lower need.
14. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 94 – I like this guy and have wondered why more chatter’s not been heard about him. Probably because he’s not on one of the top followed teams.
15. Navorro Bowman* OLB Penn State 94
16. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 93 – Possibility, though the Cards game and a few others have shown LB to not be a top priority. This guy in a few Mocks I’ve seen has been in the 2nd.
17. Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 93
18. Taylor Mays S USC 93 – Only if we have to
19. Bruce Carter* OLB North Carolina 92
20. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 92 – ILB is really not a need at this time.
21. Carlos Dunlap* DE Florida 92 – I’m turning a bit sour on him and think he may fall to the second.
22. Jahvid Best* RB California 92 – As with others his concussions and such worry me and RB is not a top priority.
23. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 92 – Not a top priority but it should be noted that we only have VD thru 2012 I think
24. Bruce Campbell OT Maryland 92 – A definite possibility.
25. Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 92 – Almost all mocks I’ve seen have him going in the second
26. Golden Tate* WR Notre Dame 91 – Not a top priority and seems most mocks show him as a second rounder
27. Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 91 – If we don’t do something about RT in FA then heck yeah! If we do then this priority is lowered.
28. Jimmy Clausen* QB Notre Dame 90 – We don’t need a QB at this time.
29. Arthur Jones DT Syracuse 90 – 4-3 DT not for us.
30. Jonathan Dwyer* RB Georgia Tech 90 – He’s a power DB right? We need a change of pace/speed back
31. Vladimir Ducasse G UMass-Amherst 90 – Guard is a need (if not addressed in FA) but I’d like to do 2nd or later for OG
32. Ricky Sapp DE Clemson 90 – I like this kid.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 18, 2009 4:37 PM PST reply actions
#4. Haden: Oh boy… I don’t want to have to say “I told you so” 2 years from now. And I hope the FO is not that gullible to buy the overly built up hype
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Do you remember
Dunta Robinson? and how much hype he was getting because he was the “best CB” in his draft class? He hasn’t panned out really in living up to all that hype. It’s gonna be the same thing as Haden and I think it would be a very unwise pick.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Dunta Robinson is okay
Not great, but I would take him. In terms of Haden I agree with you. He’s not gonna be that good
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
Yeah...
I’ve got huge concerns about drafting DB’s in the first round. I think it’s way too easy to overestimate their performance and potential because they are so dependent on their front seven most of the time.
Anyone remember Mike Rumph? Same situation.
With exception to Berry
I agree. Berry has been having to do alot of what he’s done on his own
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
We may trade up
York has already said he is not opposed to trading up in to the top 5 if there was a player worth going after
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
If he goes between 1-3...
You would have to give up way to much to get him. Ricky Williams was NFL ready as well – until he disappeared to the mountains to smoke pot and learn Buddhism (or whatever it was). The more picks you have, the more likely you are to find steady, regular contributors.
True
But this has been brought up before as far as the charts go… We would have to give up our 1a pick plus our 2nd round pick to move up in to the top 5. If we do that, then we won’t have a 2nd, but we’ll still have our 1b pick to pick up an OT. With how many outstanding OT’s there will be this year…its not that bad of a deal for us.
It’s not too often that you have 2 first round picks, being that we do, we dont lose that 2nd pick reall because you have that #2 pick. To get a player like Berry would be well worth it.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
We agree to disagree about this...
I’ll make a point to watch the Tennessee battle Virginia Tech at the Chick-fil-A Bowl to see if he impresses me as much as he impresses you.
Trust me
I was not on board originally either and thought he was overrated a bit at the beginning of the year. rlott#42 can attest to all the debates he and I had at the beginning of the year on him. But when I started paying closer attention to him and the detail, I was astonished at how well he plays in all facets of the game. He is besides Suh, the only sure thing coming out of the draft this year. I feel confident enough saying this now after seeing play just 4 games or so. I definitely advise you to watch the Chik-Fil-A Bowl if you don’t have your mind made up.
Just curious, I know you said you live in Texas and dont watch much other college football outside the Big 10 and Big 12, but have you seen him play in a complete game?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
No, I haven't.
Generally it’s PAC-10 (Stanford family) or Big-10/Big-12 games on ABC or ESPN because those are the games everyone else is watching. Between the Pac-10 and the Big-10/Big-12, you quickly run out of hours to watch football on a Saturday.
But I’ll watch the Chick-fil-A Bowl and see what I think.
I guess I'm just really suspicious...
I’ve seen tons of kids get this much hype before and I can count on one hand the number of them that haven’t been busts. The bowl games, pro-days and combine will give everyone a better idea of where the draft board stands.
For instance, there was a story on PFT today that the NFL Draft Board wasn’t going to give Jake Locker their rating to support him going in the first round despite both Kipler and McShay putting him in the Top 5 overall.
My default mode when it comes to the draft is to break out the salt shaker whenever I see a college player being proclaimed as the second coming.
Right, I understand that completely
I rarely name people “special”… and it is rare you will see me do so. I did it the very first year I saw Adrian Peterson play as a freshman.. I did it with Patrick Willis…and a few others of times past that I’ve been right about. I am doing it with 2 players out of this years draft in Eric Berry and C.J. Spiller. There’s maybe one guy per year (if that) that I will go out on a limb and say that about.
Even when people were saying that Reggie Bish was the next Gayle Sayers and stuff, I knew better. I’d like to think of myself as guessing right 9 times out of ten. Like I said though, I just don’t do it that often for reasons you stated above.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I'm impressed that your impressed...
Now if there were just some way to get Mays, Thomas and Berry all on the same team swapping in and out with the same front 7 to get a true comparison of the top safety talent in the draft.
That sounded much more flip than I intended...
I meant to say, I’m impressed that Berry has impressed you to this extent.
So, They should draft both Berry and Spiller? two can't misses sounds good
Of course that would mean they got a great OT in FA
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Not so much a great OT but a good OT that can play RT for a bit
We made a mistake with Marvel. Note to FO: If they come in with a walker and an oxygen tank they might be a bit old to pick up for your OLine.
Pashos may be ok, but I want better there. RLott mentioned Alex Barron and that’s a possibility. I’m hoping that we can fill both OT and OG in FA then that frees up the draft immensely. Then all we have is S, RS, DE (in my mind), WR help (again in my mind) and CB depth/youth.
So then it becomes feasible to do what is being talked about like giving our second to pick up Berry and then getting him and Spiller and since Spiller would take care of RS then you’re looking at getting some upgrades/depth at DE, WR, CB, and such.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Information?
I am not sure if you are taking a stab at how much content there is, or you disagree with certain aspects. It’s kind of a vague comment.
Maybe you could elaborate on it so the rest of us know what you mean by that? And I don’t mean that to be rude, even if yours was or wasn’t meant to be… I am genuinely curious.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I'm not even sure who's made him "sick" LOL
Yours, mine, Jim’s or who’s. And I agree with you that if someone dislikes a persons opinion it would be interesting to know why.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 20, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
You should probably consider doing a total cleanse
If reading our intelligent conversations makes you sick then it must be something internal.
Get well soon!
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Sure Things??
Suh, McCoy (DT), Okung, DE G Tech (I’mma little tired), GIlyard……….
What exactly is surefire?
True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!
Blk Sand Ninja-
Pro Bowl Caliber…
Okung may be another…but it’s hard to tell with all OT’s. McCoy, Morgan, and Gilyard could all be good but I sont think any will have that “star quality”. At least I wouldn’t go as far as to say so just yet.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Those are my start quality players
Spiller and TOny Pike. I think Pike is the best QB in the draft.
True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!
Blk Sand Ninja-
I can't speak for Drew
but when I think surefire I think immediate impact player right out of the gate. Not a player that has to learn and develop.
I’m with Drew here. I think Berry is that guy. Suh might be that guy but it’s a much harder thing to dominate in the pros than in college. The O-linemen are bigger, tougher, faster and smarter than the college ones.
I also think Spiller could be that guy too. Here’s what I like about Spiller. I like the size of his legs. That means he’s got great driving power and can get the tough yards. I also like his speed and his cutting ability. Most especially I like his finishing speed. Look at his highlight clips and you can see him get faster as he’s going down the field. Not many players are going to be fast enough to catch him in a footrace. He’s got a bit of everything.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
To dominate while 2 or 3 guys in college are focused on you
And literally Suh would get triple teamed. he will be fine at the NFL level and quite possibly be DPotY at one point
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:36 AM PST up reply actions
Ok so we do the trade..3rd rounders then?
Here’s some I have my eyes on:
WR Eric Decker, CB Javier Arenas, CB Perish Cox
There are a few others like Gilyard for example but I think he’ll be gone by then. What would everyone else be looking at based on trading the 1a and the 2 to move high enough to get Berry?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Oopps left out an important piece of info
This is with the following assumptions:
1) We have gotten OT and OG handled in FA
2) We drafted Spiller at the 1b
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
2) We drafted Spiller at the 1b
Ewww.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 19, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
Basing that on
Jim and Drew’s discussion. as much as anything. I admit I’m vacillating about it. I would like us to get a speed back but not sure going for one that high is advisable.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
There are plenty of speed guys available
Even Jahvid Best will probably fall to the 2nd or maybe even 3rd round
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 19, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Jahvid Best
is a spitting image of Reggie Bush…only Best already has had 3 concussions.
Spiller will be a special player. Mark my words. You can “ewwwwww” all you want but next season I suspect the “ewwwwwws” will become “whoooooaaaaa that guys good”.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Spiller
doesn’t dance around and waste time like Bush or Best…he just goes like Chris Johnson.
You want to see a quicker version of Marshall Faulk…get ready.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Like everything else offensively
His ability to contribute will be limited by the talent of the offensive line in front of him. No protection, no run. Just like with no protection, there is no passing game.
If we have an average line
Spiller will be amazing… Chrsi Johnson doesn’t have the greatest Oline, they’re about average or maybe slightly above.
I am kind of upset a bit that Staley is coming back this week cause the Oline has not been playing all that bad. Breaking up the continuity may have a slight effect. Just hope Staley is not rushing getting back out there.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Yeah...
But his running has also gotten more effective once Vince Young was put in the game. Now the Titans have two viable running threats to defend against at any time, plus a passing threat. VY is fairly unique in the NFL as a QB in terms of his mobility.
Agree
Thats why I think a few teams will be aiming to land Vick in the offseason. When you have a QB and a RB who can rush for 1000 yards each, then you will be pretty hard to stop on offense. Vick’s passes (what little we’ve seen) have looked to be more accurate than years past as well
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I agree
I watched the Eagles/Giants game last night and Vick looked pretty good throwing. He also looked really good running too.
I bet he finds a starting job somewhere in the league next year.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
It's just a matter of where I think.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Agree...
I don’t know if signing J.P Losman will have any affect on Al Davis’s plans, but I would be surprised if the Raiders don’t take a look at Michael Vick. I think the biggest question is, does Vick have the arm for Al Davis’s vertical “attack.”
Attack is in quotations because having WR’s who can catch is one of those ingredients Al has forgotten about in his senility.
My gut tells me The Rams or Panthers.
Rams will pick Suh if they have the 1st and will need to sign a free agent QV.
Panthers QB is horrible and they don’t have a 1st rounder to pick one
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I think the raiders like Gradkowski
for now. This is a total guess but I’m thinking they go with Gradkowski for next year and keep an eye on Russell and see if by some means he changes his work ethic and such. Not sure that Vick totally fits in to Panther’s offense. If Rams go Suh that is just more bad news for us as far as getting Berry.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 20, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
I think Vick
fits any offense he is put in because of his ability to make plays out of nothing
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Reply@Drew K
We should just move Staley back to RT now and see how he plays since the draft is coming up and were looking at Bulaga, Campbell and if he falls Okung (you know we are)
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:38 AM PST up reply actions
I do too
but I don’t think Singletary will do that. I did not want the continuity to be broken up. The line has actually looked okay. If we put Staley back in there, you break up the continuity in what’s been working
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Well... The line HAS looked ok
Until today when we saw another 1/2 second sack while Alex was still in his 3 step drop. Line was miserable today. puke
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT?
The Titans have the best Offensive line in the NFL!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Since when?
because Chris Johnson tears the field up? Most of that is once he has slipped through a sliver of a hole…and their pass protection is okay…I would not say they were great though.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Since last season
Why do you think they went 13-3 last season?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly...
I’m starting to come to the conclusion that the days of the speed back, unless it’s someone truly special, are limited in the NFL. Defenses are just becoming way to quick for any RB not named Williams or Johnston to be able to hit the corner and make the cut upfield with any regularity.
I disagree
I know Fantasy Football isn’t perfect, but to me its an easy way to identify a top RB.
Of the top 5 RBs you have 3 considered speedsters, and really all 5 can outrun a defense to the edge.
Chris Johnson
Maurice Jones-Drew
Adrian Peterson
Ray Rice
Thomas Jones
Chris Johnson is the fastest guy youv'e listed
his 40 yard dash time at the combine was 4.24. The others were right around 4.40.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Which is like regular speed for RB’s.
C.J. Spiller will be a guy closest to comparison in speed once he is in the NFL. Other than that, I am not sure there are any RB’s even remotely close to Chris Johnson’s speed in the NFL.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
What makes Johnson special isn't his speed
Its the fact that he has vision to detect where he’s going to be able to get to the next level and the footwork to make the cuts that he does seem effortless.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:39 AM PST up reply actions
There are alot of dudes that are blistering fast
Joey Galloway has that kind of speed. His career wasn’t that amazing.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
would taylor mays be a better pick than haden? I’ve seen mays screw up way more than haden. your argument about mays is that I have only seen bad footage of him, none of the good. the same can be said for haden.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 18, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Also...
#12. Earl Thomas…another player over-valued. If Berry is not there, Thomas nor Mays would be an upgrade over Dashon Goldson.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I think it's the year of the Safety
and not just for us, the idea of copy cat league even in the draft at times. You can see it when a good player at a position a few teams want goes, then there’s a run on them.
I would maybe take Thomas at 1b though. Maybe due to the need and maybe due to the being copy cat and falling prey to the “Year of the Safety” thing. You and I seem to degree a bit on Mays vs Thomas but hey that happens.
There seem to be a lot of viable CBs in the draft this year and I’m kinda looking at some of them as possibilities.
Also I’m kinda taking a look at Ras-i Dowling as a possible later round pickup since he could play either CB or FS.
This seems to be a deep but not wide draft, by that I mean that the first round will possibly have more than it’s share of players that would go second in other drafts. But there are some pickups available.
It’s interesting to watch the ebb and flow of the draft not only during a years draft but year over year.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 18, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Rising tide lifts all boats...
A great safety gets into the draft and all the teams start looking at every other safety much harder than they would have normally.
LOL used that exact phrase in an earlier thread and had people getting after me.
But I totally agree with you and it’s odd how we humans follow such patterns even in the draft.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Earl Thomas would have been
The number 1 safety in 70% of the drafts this decade
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:40 AM PST up reply actions
2. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
He’s a perfect fit in the 3-4 defense.
He’s got the size and Nebraska uses him as DE in their 3-man line.
He can dominate up to two guys at a time and still be able to find the ball carrier.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 18, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
why does it even matter? he’s not making past pick 2 unless something truly terrible happens between now and the draft.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 18, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Just making a point
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 19, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
The thing about Anthony Davis
His kick-slide sucks. He’ll get eaten alive by speed rushers. But as a pass rushing blocker there is NONE better in this draft. He is a f******* monster as a rushing blocker. But the trade off for his size and power comes in the lateral movement as a pass blocker. Bulaga isn’t quite as good run blocking but has much faster lateral movement. Rather take him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 2:33 AM PST up reply actions
Anthony Davis
He may fall because of this.
If he’s taken in the 2nd or 3rd round then he can move to Guard if he doesn’t work out at RT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
yeah I just noticed on the Jerry Hughes vs Utah highlight I post
He’s up against Elite DE Jason Pierre-Paul in the second segment and Pierre Paul demolishes him for like 2.5 or 3 sacks.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Oh NM on that last post
Got ahead of myself thinking of Davis as a RT at NFL level. He’s against Selvie at LT and does a good job on him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
But the same point does apply
You can see he’s not exactly very quick against a speed rush and his lateral agility in being able to stop Outside then cutting back inside rushes will be his undoing as he has trouble changing direction. He got burned a few times on straight inside rushes as he was expecting the guy to go outside and had already started that way to make up for a lack of quickness. A big bruiser at G though definitely
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Baas may not be brought back
We’ll need a Guard.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
I'm A-ok with taking him as a guard
if he slips to our #2 pick. He is a monster as a run blocker and has a huge frame.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2009 2:00 AM PST up reply actions
He would probably be rated only behind Iupati if you slotted him as a guard at this point.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2009 2:01 AM PST up reply actions
Based on my comments above, it seems to me that if we cannot get berry with pick #1 and know that we can get one of those OTs not named Okung with the second #1 (our own pick), we should trade Carolina’s pick and grab a late first/early second and some other picks along the way. This would give us flexibility to draft some “wants” earlier on, such as Tate or Kindle. I only saw Tate against Stanford, how does he compare to Desean Jackson or Harvin? I know the KR/PR aspect is there, but does he have every down ability as a #2 WR? Also, since the FO loves receivers that can block, is he capable of that?
Did Best return kicks at Cal? If so, that wouldn’t be bad pickup in the 2nd or 3rd round, since his stock will fall as a result of missing these games (including the nationally televised bowl game) with the concussion.
wow man
this is exactly what i have been saying
i said that if at carolina’s first pick (most likely top 10, possibly #8), if berry and okung are gone (as well as all the top players), if we dont want spiller, if we wont trade up for either berry/okung (or at least wait for them to be drafted then trade picks them), and if we dont want spiller, then we trade down
preferably to a mid-first round, like 14-17, where we can get a first and second round for it. trading up to top 5 will cost us the top pick + our second round
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 18, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think we all agree just ...
we’re or at least I am wondering where the trade would come from. The problem with us getting a “high” pick is that we have some needs that most of those guys above us are gonna pretty much be decided rather early on and I don’t really think that there’s gonna be people around that others are gonna feel “oh man! I gotta get him!” (Though I could be very wrong about that!) If so then our chances of trading could be rather hard. I guess I am worried that we’re gonna be in one of those “Aww shucks!” places, with a pick around 7-10 where you know you might have to shell out the bucks for a player you pick there so not many people will want to make that jump.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 18, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Like Crabtree last year, Berry will fall to us in 2010.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Don't be overconfident
I think we have a good chance of getting him, but it is no sure deal. Wouldn’t be surprised either way
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
You called it, Jim
That kind of deja vu would be the best.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
I think the best policy would be
to wait it out… If Berry is drafted ahead of us, then that’s when we make the trade. Wait and if he falls, great. If not, then trade up. It’s really that simple if the Niners want him that bad. If a team like KC gets him they will jump on a 1st a few slots down and an extra 2nd round pick. Alot of the teams picking top 5 are more deperate than us and would jump on an opportunity ti increase their odds of getting talent with extra high round picks.
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exactly
i dont understand the point of trading up before the draft…
the only problem may be that if we move up to #5 they wont know who we want, but if they draft berry and we make the big push specifically for him, they might be able to get more out of us than just the 1st and 2nd… kind of like supply and demand
ive also seen who people want to take in he 2nd round and im becoming increasingly less inclined to trade up with who we can get in the 2nd
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 19, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
Can you trade draft picks after a player is picked?
I didn’t even know that was possible.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
LOL thanks for asking that
I was wondering that too. From what I hear as far as draft lore though George Allen (former Skins coach and father of Bruce Allen now the Skins GM) traded at least 1 draft pick to 3 or more different teams during one draft. LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
Eli Manning
drafted originally by San Diego traded to NY.
The San Diego Chargers originally held the rights to the overall first pick in the 2004 NFL Draft. With Manning being the most highly coveted player in the draft, it appeared that the Chargers intentions were to draft Manning first overall. However, Manning had publicly refused to play for the Chargers if drafted by them. The Chargers selected him with the first pick overall nonetheless as the team had a deal in place with the New York Giants where the Giants would draft and then trade Philip Rivers and draft picks (used to pick Shawne Merriman and Nate Kaeding) to the Chargers for Manning. It is not entirely clear why Manning did not wish to play for the Chargers.</blockquote
Shouldn’t have an effect… We probably should have something worked out ahead of time though since there isn’t a ton of time to make a deal during the draft. Usually the #1 overall pick is signed before the draft even begins, so that will leave 5-8 picks ahead of us.
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The bottom portion of that was my comment, not part of the block. Not sure why it highlighted that also
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Got it on that
I guess that could be done but they could say heck no if they picked him? I mean the reason for that having occurred was due to the reason that Manning had said he wouldn’t play for them if he was drafted. That was the domino that caused the others to fall.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
But the point of that
is that they had something worked out ahead of time. It’s tougher to do that when teams aren’t drafting 1st. But it demonstated the point that trades can happen after a player has been drafted.
There are probably other examples better than the scenario I used, it was just the first one that came to mind.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
But for instance
let’s say we knew that there was a good chance that Cleveland wanted to trade down and they end up with the 3rd overall pick by season end; at that point you start negotiating with Cleveland saying, “look, we want Berry, we’ll give you this, this, and this, to trade with you”…. anyhow, that’s sort of how that would work in a nutshell.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
But
Cleveland will trade out of the top 5 for a 1st in the 20s, a million 8th round picks and a 3rd string QB.
It’s the way of the Browns.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 19, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
That defeats EVERYTHING that you were saying above
You aren’t waiting for Berry to fall like you say. You stated above that you wanted to wait for Berry to fall, hope he got to us, but if he didn’t, then trade up for him. However, if you are working a trade in advance, you aren’t waiting for him to drop, Cleveland will take him at #3 in order to trade him to us.
Just trying to throw out every scenario.
There isn’t alot of time during the draft to iron out all the details of a trade. But the 1st scenario is probably the most ideal. The only problem with that, is you run the risk of him being selected before our picks and that specific team not wanting to trade him away like someone else mentions above.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I heard on NFL network this past draft
that trades are worked out before the draft.
I’m guessing that if the 49ers really want Eric Berry they’ll be able to work something out beforehand.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Entirely different circumstances...
And you know that. Manning had made his intension clear that he didn’t want to play for SD and was traded in what I feel was one of the dumber moves known to mankind.
It may be different circumstances
but it illustrates the point that trades are allowable
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I don't think anyone disputes that...
But do you have to give up more than that’s person is worth for the trade. As always, cost-benefit analysis must be employed.
As far as our chances for Berry goes,
5. K.C. Chiefs (3-10)
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Denver
REMAINING SCHEDULE:
6. Oakland Raiders (4-9)
REMAINING SCHEDULE:
Broncos
Browns
Ravens
7. Washington Redskins (4-9)
REMAINING SCHEDULE:
Giants
Cowboys
Chargers
8. 49ers from Car (5-8)
REMAINING SCHEDULE:
Vikings
Giants
Saints
Okay so let’s assume CAR will finish 5-11. The Raiders&Redskins must win 1+ games. The way the Skins have been playing lately I think they can beat the Giants. As for the Raiders, I think they have it in them to win another game (CLE). The Chiefs seem the likeliest to be in position to grab berry Berry and most likely to do so. I seriously doubt they can win another game outside of the Cleveland one.
I want winners! I want people that WANT to win!
And of course
I assume that the teams tied with the same record as CAR right now win another game
I want winners! I want people that WANT to win!
We want the skins to beat DAL
DAL has to fail in order for us to get into the playoffs
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 18, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
It's December :-)
Dallas will fall for that reason alone LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
this assumes berry will be there at pick 5
by hellaninersfan on Dec 18, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just curious
where does everybody think Selvie will go? He was a 1st rounder it seemed, but he had a mediocre season
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
In my opinion, He could go in between late 1st to late 2nd. I will be very surprised if he falls all the way to the 3rd…it’s not likely he will. My guess, somewhere in the 2nd.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
More than likely he will play in the NFL as OLB as well.
That’s just my thoughts on it anyway. He could be a hybrid type of guy also in a 4-3 where he sometimes line up as a DE and sometimes drops back as an OLB.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Drew you really need to come up with a gimmick..
to drum up some interest in these offseason threads you’ve been doing…there’s just no interest in them at all :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 18, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions
As far as what?
Like top 5? top 10 of each?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Clements and Spencer will most likely be starting next year with Brown the 5DB. And as long as we get safety help, we should be good. It would not surprise me to see the Niners trade up to get Berry and then slide Goldson over to SS.
I will throw out the top 5 at the safety and corner positions in order of my opinion in a few though.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
This order is based on how well I think they will do in the NFL...not how they are currently ranked
Safeties:
1. Eric Berry—Tennessee—S
2. Taylor Mays—USC—S
3. Earl Thomas—Texas—S
4. Darrell Stuckey—Kansas—S
5. Rashad Jones—Georgia—S
Cornerbacks:
1. Joe Haden—Florida
2. Trevard Lindley—Kentucky
3. Patrick Robinson—Florida State
4. Javier Arenas—Alabama
5. Donovan Warren—Michigan
Adding one more because he is worth mention
6. Kyle Wilson—Boise State
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
They are all going to be in Bowl games
Live footage is probably going to be your best bet…particularly since they will be big games. Big games will be a good way to measure alot of the guys coming out.
You can also look up some stuff on youtube if you have the time. Some of them will have highlight videos put together by fans
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Correction
most of them will be in bowl games….there is a couple that did not make it in to one with their teams
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
taylor mays
as the second best SS?
ewwwww lol
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 18, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
He has been getting alot of critism, but if he can make it on to a team with a very good DB coach, he’s going to be very very good in the NFL
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Fooch has asked me to do the gameday threads for them all. So all that information will be available throught the site here. But ESPN actually has a pick ’em type of deal called Bowl Mania that if you register, you can play for free and do picks with a chance to win $2000 cash.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Anyhow
where I was going with the ESPN thing, is that while doing that Bowl Mania thing, it has a chart of every single bowl game and when they start, etc…
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
He's okay
top 10 definitely but not sure he is better than any of the guys I mentioned
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Return guy
I really prefer an offensive guy like a WR or RB to do returns. It scares me when defensive players do them unless it’s a guy like Deion Sanders or Darrell Green, none of which Thompson is comparible to
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
CJ SPILLER!!!!!!!!!!!
people underestimate how important a guy like Reggie Bush/D.jackson are!! lets get one of those guys on our team!!!
Helps dramatically will field position Alex will appreciate not having to go over 80yards every drive. O ya and its pretty fun to watch when they TAKE ONE TO THE HOUSE!!
just imagine
Reggie Bush/Spiller, Gore, Crabtree, VD, Delanie on the field AT THE SAME TIME
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 18, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie Bush is NOT important to the Saints
He’ll score a TD here and there to add some piz-az, but the Saints would still be 13-0 without him.
And D. Jackson >>>>>>> C.J. Spiller
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 19, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Reggie Bush is not a complete waste
He has 8 TD’s on the year and is averaging 5.0 yards an attempt. It’s just when you have 3 awesome RB’s on the same team that all do different things, his numbers wont be great. I think he can be a #1 back somewhere. I dont want him on the Niners though.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I don't think he can be a #1 back.
I doubt he can handle a 300 carry season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
There aren’t many backs (including feature backs) that carry the ball 300 times a year. There may be a handful of guys that finish over that for the year.
He can be a #1 back somewhere that has a good enough #2 back to split the workload.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Then he wouldn't be a real No.1 back
Or maybe we just disagree on what a No.1 back is.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Who do you consider to be the #1 back
or featured back for the Panthers?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Anyhow
D. Williams has just barely over 200 attempts (which I think Bush could handle).
J. Stewart has 150 attempts…
So basically that is what I mean… If he could find a team to go to with a similar situation he could do it
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
In today's NFL against the athletes that are on Defense you dont see it as much
You need a guy built like Brandon Jacobs to survive alot of years with 300-400 carries. Alot of the “feature backs” of the past wouldn’t last 200 carries a year against the monsters in the NFL today
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
Oh my, keeping up with you is making my head spin
Didn’t you just spend like 3 posts above talking about how Haden sucks and won’t translate to the NFL, then you go and say you think he will do the best of any other CB in the draft? I’m so confused. You talk about how you get all these picks right year after year, but to me, you just pick both sides so that if thye fail, you called it, if they succeed, well you had them ranked #1 in December.
I have never said Haden "sucks" to quote you
you are misunderstanding… what I said is that he is the best of his class in CB’s and there is nothing special coming out this year at that position. Hence why I would not want to draft him. I said he will be good not great. You dont pick a CB in the top 10 unless he is special. Haden is not special. I don;t understand why you are getting mixed up
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Picks right year after year?
I said that I do not name players “special” very often but when I do, I am usually right. Sounds like you are mixing alot things I have said up and making them in to something they are not
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
That seems reasonable, but it might make sense to draft a corner with a high pick (1a, 1b or 2). (in addition to safety and oline) and let him compete with Brown as heir-apparent to Clements ( or a starting spot at left corner next year).
I think...
We can get a good CB in the 3rd. I agree with you on the need to get some youth and depth in the CB area though. I think that Javier Arenas, Perish Cox, and a few other good ones might be available in the 3rd. Of course the combine, etc still has to go so we’ll have to see.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 20, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
well
safeties:
1. eric berry
2. earl thomas
dont know anyone after that
CBs:
1. haden
2. ras-i dowling
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 18, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions
Dowling is probably going to be a S in the NFL
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 18, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Where are the Niners shallow on depth?
If we get our starters pretty well locked in for next year, and if we take care of the O-line situation in FA, we should look for depth.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
We don't have any OLB pass rushers outside of Parys, Manny and Ahmad
They need another guy there.
Plus more depth at CB could help….
Maybe another TE.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 18, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
ERIC BERRY
hasnt even declared yet lol
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 18, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply actions
He will
Pretty sure he is aware of the possible chance of a lockout in a couple years. Plus if he goes now, he’ll get his biggest pay day. With everything that happened with Bradford, alot of these Juniors (especially the 1st round guys) will be declaring. He probably has not found an agent yet and will wait to declare until he does so…let’s just hope it’s not Eugene Parker.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I mean Eugene Parker
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Who?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Is that necessary?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
You say who??
like you don’t know who he is because I spelled his name wrong… child please..
I’m just saying he had multiple people telling him what to do.
Who…as in who has Deion helped? You did not specify “WHO’S” head he was in…. if you meant Parker, then you’d be wrong
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Thats fine, I still dont think he had much to do with the whole thing
On another note, there are more civil ways to respond to people than:
Deion, don’t be sdumb please
Even if it is what you thought it was meant to be. It’s possible to have debate without insult.
It doesn’t bother me much, but maybe keep this in mind when debating with others
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Eugene Parker (as greedy as he is) has a mind of his own. He is a very smart business man and I doubt Deion had little or anything to do with the Crabtree thing.
Take a look at his client list and you’ll notice he has done just fine on his own (WITHOUT help from an outside source).
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Dear god please...
San Francisco doesn’t need another hold-out who joins the middle of the season after missing training camp that makes us all wish for what might have been.
Exactly
It was a response to another above comment though.
The last thing the Niners need is to deal with a player that has Parker as their agent. That was my original statement
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Depends on where he is drafted.
Safeties usually don’t go where he will so slotted money is good for an agent with a defensive back. Any DB in the range of 12-32 is not the guy I am talking about. I wouldn’t worry about Berry talking about sitting out a season, then teams will shy away from drafting his players. At 1-8 Berry will be paid slotted money. I wouldn’t worry about a safety getting drafted to the Raiders and Berry claim he should have been drafted there and wanting the same money. I hope we do have this problem, at least we have Berry. Crabs is loved by some here and Berry would be loved as long as he signs.
True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!
Blk Sand Ninja-
Definitely
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
So this is an offseason post right?
Has anyone been watching the last few nationally televised Redskins games?
There is another Davis. He is a TE. He is Big, and athletic, and he has great hands.
Imagine the possibilities.
I know he’s under contract, but the Redskins need receivers. Receivers we do have. Jones Hill and Walker, for Fred Davis. ANY TAKERS?
Fred Davis
has been good but he is only a 2nd year guy out of USC. He will be under contract more than likely for another 2 years or so. I like Vernon and Walker personally. I think if we can add one more TE maybe via the 2010 Draft, we will be fine.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I beg to differ…Walker may not be the best blocking TE per say, but he is a very reliable receiver. He does those end arounds really well too. He even seems more sure handed that VD sometimes
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
More surehanded than Vernon Davis...
Wouldn’t seem to be all that hard considering VD leads the league in dropped passes.
With that comment its hard to tell if you
disapprove of the job Walker is doing out there. When he gets his chances, I like him alot
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I'm not sure about Walker...
He does create some match-up problems, but I’m not sure if you couldn’t get better results by finding and drafting a good slot receiver to help run those underneath routes.
Blocking
this is what would make it so unique. On any given play we could be in a two TE set which would be the running equivalent of having (WR?)OT OT G C G OT OT(WR?).
But then we motion one or the other and have
OT(WR?), OT(WR?), OT, G, C, G, OT, or OT, G, C, OT, OT, OT(WR?), OT(WR?)
nice
He's not going to be traded
He’s a big part of their offense.
They seem to like the possibility of having two amazing TEs on the same team.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 18, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
It would be dumb to trade him
They’re not going to get much for him at this point.
Why trade him just for the sake of trading him?
At least Josh McDaniels got all that he could out of the Bears.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 19, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
Thinking about it IF (possibly a big if) we get the 5 pick from Carolina ..
we might not have to think about trading that pick to get Berry.
I mean look at it. Top drafters are gonna be Rams, Bucs, Browns, Lions, then maybe KC goes 5 and not Carolina. KC is the one that worries me a bit not too much but a bit, them and Oakland as well. So sounds like we need to be rooting for KC and Oakland in these final weeks.
My feeling is that we can be pretty assured that Rams go QB, Bucs want Suh, Browns have offenses needs up the wazzoo and need to focus on those things. Lions just got a high safety didn’t they? KC i’m hoping goes either OLine, DLine, or WR (the coach has been screaming for them). Raiders are a wildcard with Davis there and I’m hoping some other shiny bauble catches Al’s eye.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 12:26 AM PST reply actions
theres 100% no way
we get the #5 pick. its not even a “big IF”. its impossible
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 19, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
Well let's look at it this way
According to what Drew has above, we have the following currently:
5. KC 3-10
6. OAK 4-9
7. WASH 4-9
8. CAR 4-9
Now, if KC, OAK, WASH all win out and CAR lose all 3 of theirs then we have
CAR 4-12
WASH 6-10
OAK 6-10
KC 6-10
So it is therefore not impossible, very highly unlikely yes, hence a big IF. But it is not 100%, nor impossible.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
Yep See that now..
Sorry, it’s 4 AM here and a bit tired. So yep pretty much out of the possibilities.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
49ers will be lucky if CAR pick falls to 8...
The range everyone should be looking at is somewhere between 8-12, with 8 being the best possible solution unless something incredible happens. Taking the median, 10, and trading up to 3 would be an interesting feat to say the least.
Carolina could very well end up with the 8th.
Carolina Out of all the teams that have the same exact record. All but 3 of the Panthers opponents have had winning records this season, or will have finished that way …and the last 3 games are against teams with winning records… Minnesota (11-2), New York Giants (7-6), and the Saints (13-0). The Bears, Seahawks, and Bills have all played more teams with loosing records..therefore a weaker schedule. So you are correct, I do have the Panthers out of place and they should in fact be the latest pick out of the 5-8 teams. However, The Bears (Detroit last game of the year), The Seahawks (The Bucs this week), and the Bills (Atlanta w/o possibly Turner and or Ryan next week) all have a better chance of winning 1 more game out of the next 3 than the Panthers. So I sort of fudged that one on purpose I guess. But only that pick.
This was a response to someone else above in the thread
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
And
actually the best possible scenario could be the 6th overall pick for the Panthers pick. Should the Panthers lose the remaining games on their schedule, and the Raiders and Redskins somehow pull off 2 wins out of the next 3 each, then the pick would be at #6. That is not likely, BUT, that is actually the best possible scenario. This is all assuming that the other 3 teams mentioned above also win at least one game out of the 3 remaining
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Ok so my eyes were tired ...
they’re at 5-8 not 4-9. So looks like we’re gonna have to worry about KC regardless
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
If KC, OAK, and WAS all win out? LOL
Why even state this? LOL.
KC has CLE, CIN, and DEN. MAY win one of those games
OAK has DEN, CLE, and BAL. MAY win one of those games
WAS has NYG, DAL, and SD. Won’t win ANY of those games.
Good luck on ALL 3 teams winning out. LOL
We may trade up to 5
What will make our D complete? A ball hawking FS will and not much really. I personally think we need more PR from the front 3. What id we trade our 1a,2,3 for KC’s !, 3 and 4 then trade 1b for a 1,2 and 3 that is just in later rounds? We can still come up with a large amount of picks to address needs. The best thing about this season is we can sdd ROOKIES to address enough issues to send us over the hump!
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Raiders will pick Dunlap or Mays
I’m almost 100% certain of that. I think they’ll end up going with Gradkowski next year at QB.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
So if Al is looking at the board and Berry and Mays are both on the board
you see him taking Mays with the pick? Hmmm I can’t say I’m 100% sure. But it is the raiders.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 19, 2009 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
It is April 2009
Crabtree and DHB are both on the board.
Al Davis asks: “Which one…..runs…..a faster….40?”
DHB is drafted 7th overall.
It is April 2010…
Berry and Mays are both on the board.
Al Davis says: “Mays is bigger…..and faster…..he’s a…..HOF….Safety”
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 19, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Who's to say
We don’t trade 1b a 2nd and a 4th for the chiefs number 5 overall and their 3rd and 4th and keep our 1a pick. We have plenty of money, who’s to say we don’t trade up for Berry with the Chiefs and then pick at 8th as well??
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That would be amazing, two 1st rounders within spitting distance of one another.
by Hoopers Judge on Dec 19, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
It still is the Raiders
They will pick Bery or Mays. The smart pick is Pike for them but they won’t make it.
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They may not need Pike
if Gradowski continues to play the way he was when he comes back from injury. It still would not be a bad pick for them though. Gradowski looked like a young Jeff Garcia out there though
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Pike?
They still need help on Defense.
Gradkowski is good enough for now.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
True it is a possibility
Oakland is really the biggest wildcard in the top for sure. Really no one can get into (nor wants to) Al Davis brain.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 20, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Let's talk free agency
First off, I apologize if any of this has been mentioned and discussed before, but its been hard to keep up with all the offseason threads with both work and school. Since free agency comes before the draft and it seems like we have some cap space, I’d like to mention a couple names at the top of my list:
1) OJ Atogwe
Why would Atogwe want to come here?
- He went to Stanford
- His girlfriend lives in the Bay Area
- His girlfriend’s father is the current head coach of the 49ers
2) Reggie Bush (who the Saints may cut because he’s set to make about 7 mil next season)
Why would Reggie want to come here?
- Grew up and went to school in CA
- HIgh School teammates with Alex Smith
- If you were dating who he’s dating, would you want to be two time zones away from her?
Those two would solve our needs of a top-flight safety and well as a speedy RB/WR that can return kicks, leaving the draft to find some OTs and build depth at OG, LB, CB, and possibly SS. If Bush isnt available, I’d rather spend a 3rd rd pick on a proven guy like Cribbs than gamble on a guy like Brandon Williams or whatever his name is. Thoughts?
reggie bush
his argument is moot because kim kardashian’s ass reaches all the way to new orleans
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 19, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, we know why they would want to come here
BUT, why would we want them to come here?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 19, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I'd take Atogwe but I wouldn't give up picks for signing him.
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Blk Sand Ninja-
Atogwe/Bush
One of these guys would be a HUGE FA pick up. Takes out a big need.
If we have bush we don’t need Spiller, and if we have Atogwe we don’t need Beery or Thomas.
So lets get them both!
-HOW WOULD OUR DRAFT LOOK IF WE PICKED UP THESE TWO GUYS???
Pick up Atogwe and Bush
We’d be trading down our picks, I could see McCoy if he doesn’t get picked early. Maybe Golden Tate or another speed WR. If Berry fell to us we’d still take him.
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Blk Sand Ninja-
Keep this in mind too
Jerry Rice was drafted in the 1st round like Crabtree and John Taylor was a 3rd round pick… We can probably still get a really good WR in the 3rd or 4th round. Although getting Dez would be nice, I just cannot see the Niners drafting a WR in the 1st.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Not sure
The most obvious thing would be Offensive line. Beyond that if we picked up those guys maybe CB, DE, C, G, TE, WR. But the thing I am not getting about Reggie Bush is that he isn’t a FA. If there is no CBA in place he is stuck with the Saints. Atogwe would be a very nive addition though if Berry cannot be obtained.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
if we can get both of those guys
or get Cribbs in lieu of Bush, I would not mind trading down from the Carolina pick to a team that wants to move up and get Clausen/Bradford. This leaves the 2nd 1st rd pick to get an elite lineman and the other picks to draft an OG and build depth at CB, LB, and WR
Cribbs isn't going anywhere
The Brown’s owner would be murdered if Cribbs left Cleveland.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
I would rather get a speedy fast guy like Jacoby Ford or Mardy Gilyard…they will be more like a Desean Jackson type of guy. If you have one possession WR like Crabtree, it may benefit us more to have a guy we can throw the homerun ball to.
Ford ran a 40-time in 4.126 seconds before coming in to college. He has the football speed to match it as well. Desean Jackson ran a 4.35 at the combine so I thing Ford is faster….he catches really well also and he will most likely be around in the 3rd-4th round
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Why not get them both...
I know we all talk about defensive guys, but I think we underestimate our need on offense.
I think we do as well...
But Drew K and I have been having a continuing, very fun, debate on the matter. I’m all for picking up another deep threat and slot receiver in this draft, Drew K has his heart set on CJ Spiller.
Spiller
gives you a RB and a slot WR with one draft pick.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Well...
Well that’s a Top 10 first round pick. So if you trade up to get Eric Berry, he won’t be available.
He might be
at the 1b pick. If we trade up, more than likely we will be giving away our 1a pick and a 2nd…possibly future picks. The 1b will still be there. But I would rather get an OT with the 1b pick if we havent already in free agency. The only way I want Spiller is if we get a good RT in free agency
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I thought the plan for Berry...
Was to trade up from the 1A, in a deal that would probably include our 2A and 3A and then trade the 1B down to get a 2B and 3B.
That wasn’t my scenario. Maybe someone else suggested that one.
I always said, the 1b would make up for not having a 2nd if you traded the 1a and 2nd round pick. At least that’s what I meant if maybe I stated it unclearly
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Good thing we have alot of cap room
If there is no CBA, there wont be a cap anyhow
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I'm convinced that both sides...
Will come to an agreement. The last thing you need in an economy like this is a strike.
No CBA is not the same as a strike
They’d still play.
It just makes more sense for them to reach an agreement.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
If they're playing without a CBA...
Isn’t that the same as playing without a contract? Because if they are playing without a contract then the union has a right to strike.
They would
but the only talk I’ve heard of not playing has been from the owner’s side with a threat of a lock-out.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Not a slot WR he can't catch 60 passes a season
We would use him for 3rd down and KR/PR is that worth the 1st rounder he will DEMAND?
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He wouldn't just be a 3rd down back and ST's guy
If the Niners drafted him and didn’t utilize him as a regular part of the offense as a RB and sometimes WR that would be very dumb. Too much talent to have sitting on your bench 80% of the time. The whole purpose of drafting Spiller is to get it to him on some 1st downs creating short 2nd downs. Every once in a while he would be the 3rd down back as well. The good thing about drafting him is you would preserve Gore’s shelf life. I would say no less-no more than a 50/50 split between the two. But my point was on certain plays, Spiller is good and fast enough to burn a guy deep out of the slot. If Gore and Spiller are on the field at the same time, it creates mismatches for the entire defense. Especially with the rest of the personel that we have on the field with VD and Crabtree.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Spiller not 3rd down RB???
Drew, ya know I’m a CJ kool-aid drinker, but why you see him as just an occasional 3rd down RB? I thought he was exactly the needed 3rd down guy. Is it because of blocking? You thinking as a WR? With ya, but which way ya a’goin’?
by Flyin' Taco on Dec 21, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
If Gore is still there
In some 3rd down situations he could be played as well…especially 3rd and shorts. Gore can catch also. In fact, if we picked him up, it would not surprise me to se a double RB set on some 3rd downs
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I think
Atogwe was given the 1 yr tender last year so he would be a UFA
Berry will not be a 49er
Yes, I’d love for the 49ers to use the Car pick on him, but I just see no way Berry falls.
Of course, nobody thought we’d end up with Crabtree, but 49er fans might be getting their hopes too high on Berry.
What was the highest a safety's ever gone?
The only top-10 Safety picks I can think of in recent memory are Laron Landry, Michael Huff, and the late Sean Taylor, all of whom went below the top 5. That said, teams may balk at the thought of drafting a safety so high when they have other pressing needs.
by Rep the Bay on Dec 19, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
#6 is the highest a safety has ever gone
I looked it up awhile back.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Who was it?
Can you recall?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
There just seems to be so much hype about him
with all the Ed-Reed comparisons. I’d be more than thrilled to land Berry and then a solid RT, but it seems like a lot of the teams ahead of the Carolina pick are sorely lacking in defense.
Most of those teams
biggest weaknesses are on their defensive lines
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
what is more likely to happen?
We trade for Berry, or he falls to us? Who’s to say Scot Mc had already thought of drafting him or mays this year, what if he was waiting for Berry and planning ahead. Rumor has Jarius Byrd was the guy the 49ers were looking to take at the 2nd round pick they traded.
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I think were trading down
Seems like Scot M. wants to make big things happen and pick up a top player.
No way
I just don’t see it. We have a chance to fill a lot of holes with good picks, just don’t see us putting all our eggs in one basket. That’s career suicide for McC. Trading a good chunk of our picks for one guy, who may or may not make it, vs drafting a possible 3 impact players in first 50 picks. Besides, all you guys tend to forget that teams don’t want top 10 picks because they are so expensive and unproven. Teams don’t trade up into the top 10 anymore unless it’s for a Franchise QB
What holes are you talking about
We have two major holes on the team. RT and S… possibly another WR. Our team has some depth and alot of the positions I think coaching is happy with. One more year with the same players and continuity and they will be very good. You act like we are building from ground zero or something
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Maybe not even WR
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
We have one marquee talent at WR...
The rest of the talent pool ranges between average to uninspired. Hill and Morgan have both shown some flashes on the field and Crabtree has been phenomenal considering, but the rest of them have done absolutely nothing to get me excited.
I think Hill and Jones need to see more time
I am having trouble seeing Morgan getting better than he currently is. I think Hill is probably our 2nd best WR but for whatever reason he does not get alot of playing time
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I like Jones too and he hasn't had a lot of playing time either.
I do believe that with Davis and Walker at TE and Crabtree, Hill, Morgan and Jones at WR we are ok. Now if a good WR is available to us later then great but it doesn’t have to be a 1st or even a 2nd rounder.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I'm just wondering why Hill and Jones don't get more rotation
with Morgan as the #2. When we go 3 WRs it’s most often Hill that we use.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
If Jacoby Ford is there
at like the 4th, I would love to get him. He’s like Desean Jackson except faster. 4.126 40-time before college. Fastest guy in college fotball right now
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
then hes going to the raiders at #7
if hes really the fastest guy out there
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 19, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Haha... no
Funny but not likely. Ford is projected in the later rounds. Probably a 3rd or 4th round pick. But if the Niners go after him, he would give us a homerun threat and he does KR’s and PR’s very effectively.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
It's the raiders
They took a safety in the 2nd that was projected in the 5th
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Trading up doesn't sink this franchise
Trading up by giviing away our 1a plus a 3 and a 4 or even a 3 and a 2 doesn’t sink our draft. We could than trade our 1b for a 1 3 and 4 or 1 3 and 2 just with later round picks. We have a lot of options having two first. Berry could be our FS for the future. Hits hard can play the FS, SS, and CB, who does that sound like? Bring in RLott as a position coach as well as Jerry. I think these two at position coaches will work wonders for our team.
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bring in
jerry rice as WR coach
ronnie lott as safety coach
steve young as qb coach
deion sanders as PR coach
LOL HOW CAN IT LOSE
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
When talking about the OL needs at both OT and OG
I wonder how Boone is coming along? Does he fit in at OT or would he be a better OG? Some of the other guys on the PS could be moved onto the 53 next year if they progress.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Alex Boone
is 6’7 330 lbs and is only 22 years old. Teach this kid some technique!! I don’t know about his progress…
He's still on the PS
When Pashos went out for the year the team signed Chris Patrick instead of promoting Boone.
He’s not ready.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
I don't even think Patrick has been active any games
I know he wasn’t active today
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
He was active when Joe Staley was out
He was the No.1 backup for both Tackle positions (with Barry Sims starting).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that was kind of odd
guess they felt the kid needed more seasoning. Doesn’t bode well for hm though.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 20, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Might not be quick enough.
Bulaga is 6’6" 315 and runs a 4.9. Campbell is 6’6" 310 and likely runs a 4.9 also has been recorded as low as 4.8 but I’ve seen Bulaga that reported that low too. I think 4.9 is a safer bet at their current size.
Those are some Big, FAST dudes. If he’s running like a 5.3 he doesn’t have the speed to be effective in the NFL
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
I don't care about 40 times
I’d rather know what their shuttle times are (because they have to change directions)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Bulaga and Campbell both have a very good kick-slide
That’s why they are 2 and 3 behind Okung and are both Jr’s but they can also both get downfield and mop up people in the 2nd level. I just like Bulaga more because he has a mean streak in the way he plays. I like that in my O Linemen.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2009 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
Drew or Smileyman
We have been discussing the draft and FA a lot. But. what about going over our current team including those on IR and the PS. See where the holes actually are and then we can list who in the draft would fit those holes. With the uncertainty of the CBA we would have to assume, at this point, that only those who definitely will be UFA without the CBA will be available through FA.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
That's a good idea
I’ll put together something tonight or tomorrow on that.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I am really in the Christmas spirit and you and Drew have been great at delivering all these great gifts
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Another thing is that I think most of us on NN are seeing some big improvements on the team
and there is a lot of excitement. Especially knowing that one or two good players could put us into the playoffs next year.
I would like to thank all the people who post here as I have learned a lot just from you all.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Yeah it's really exciting
This is the most excited I’ve been about this team in a long while.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
great draft plan or greatest draft plan?
1a. If top 10, trade down to 12-13ish and get a 3rd and 4th round pick. Try to get back to back and get iupati or best OT available
1b. Take iupati/best OT available, whichever we didn’t take with pick 1a.
2. Either take a WR, CB, or BPA. We didn’t address the secondary problems in the first round though. If necessary, trade our 2nd + 3rd up
3-7. Whoever else we want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 19, 2009 4:53 PM PST reply actions
Isn't Iupati a guard?
you don’t take guards in the Top 20 usually
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
My dream draft:
1a. (Assuming Berry doesn’t fall): Brian Buluga, OT Iowa
1b. (I’d trade it away but): DT/NT Dan Williams, Tennessee
2. OG Mike Johnson, Alabama (I like this kid)
3. WR Marty Gilyard, Cincy
4. CB Al Verner, FUCLA
5. RB Chris Brown, Oklahoma
6. ILB Pat Angerer, Iowa
7.WR Kerry Meier, Kansas
Any Comp picks: CB Al Jefferson, Fresno State (prolific kick/punt returner)
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
No pass rusher?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Dont need another pass rusher. We’re set at OLB
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
What if Parys Haralson/Manny Lawson/Ahmad Brooks gets hurt?
Depth, depth, depth.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Briggs
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
That's it?
We need more than just Briggs (who hasn’t proven anything yet).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Hughes
Guys with motors like his don’t allow themselves to fail if they any natural ability at all, which he has in bundles
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2009 2:05 AM PST up reply actions
That was my reasoning
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
Don't agree with NT at all
Franklin has been a stud. No need to move him. Better off getting Earl Thomas as a playmaker in the secondary. Something we desperately need then trying to get Hughes early 2nd or trading to late 1st.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
See
I don’t think that Earl Thomas will be a great NFL player. Franklin isn’t getting younger, and I think we can groom Williams to replace him. Also, I think Williams could replace Sopoga on the DE and provide more pass rush
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
Franklin has just peaked
You want to get rid of him when he’s in his prime and pick up a young player that won’t be ready to start from Day 1?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Alrights, here's some further reasoning
1a. We need lineman, he’ll be the best one on the board.
1b. Franklin is pretty old, and I’m not a believer in Haden or Thomas. Williams can slide over to DE and be groomed from there.
2. Mike is a good ballplayer, and Baas is a free agent. I think he might be able to start right away, and we need line help
3. We need a reliable #2 receiver and Gilyard can provide that. He’s the best WR in the 3rd round
4. I don’t know if Bly’s staying or not- Verner is one of my favorite players in the draft.
5. I’m not sold on Coffoe yet, and I think Michael Robinson might be gone- Brown is a reliable runner
6. Takeo Spikes is on his last legs- Angerer is one of the more fundamentally sound players
7. Meier is a decent wideout- just a flier on a talented kid
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
Michael Robinson isn't going anywhere.
If he continues to be a great special teams player he could be here for 10 years.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
IUPATI'S VALUE
what do you guys think Iupati’s value is? like where should we draft him?
is he for sure going to fall to the second round, or could he possibly be taken in the first? and if he gets taken in the 2nd, could he possibly fall to us, or would we have to trade up to get him?
i think a draft of spiller and OT in 1st round and Iupati in the 2nd would be a good draft for us. unless we wanted to trade away our second rounder + our top for berry, then trade down our 2nd 1st rounder…
but i have to say that right now a draft of spiller/OT/iupati is looking the best for us
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 1:22 AM PST reply actions
Iupati is the top ranked guard in the draft
Late first early second is my guess.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Definitely
That’s where I think’ll go
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
well then if we want him
i wonder if its better to trade a first rounder down or a second rounder up
because i really think we’ll get him
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Either trade up to get Eric Berry, or trade down a big amount of spots, get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and take Spiller
1b. An OT
2a. Iupati
2b. CB/S depth
3-7. Whoever the hell you want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
He won't be around at 40something for our second
and as great as he guaranteed to be. And the dude is a big, mauling guy… A guard isn’t worth a top 15 pick. Even if he is light years better than what we have. If we managed to work out some form of trades that turned our 2 high picks into 3 lower picks a dream draft of Bulaga, Earl Thomas and Iupati + Jerry hughes would make us instant contenders on both sides of the ball. Iupati will be a dominant run blocker.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
We need a QB
Lets see how NATE DAVIS looks and throw him in next game!
If not we need to draft a QB that can compete… Alex is just not gonna cut it sorry. He CAN NOT handle pressure. Rolls out to the right every time… not just the OLINE.. its the QB.
Enough with Nate Davis!
The kid hasn’t taken any snaps at QB in practice. And you want to throw him in a regular season game?
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Face it we need a QB!
Lets get Bradford, there goes a first round pick o well we need someone. Someone who is not a little pussy under pressure. It’s not just the O line its the person behind them
"under pressure"
When has Sam Bradford ever been under pressure? The guy played behind great lines and was protected by the spread offense. He’s never seen NFL-style pressure in his career.
I think Bradford is a great prospect and thought he was better than both Stafford and Sanchez last year, but QB is a bit down the list as far as team needs go. As long as Alex isn’t throwing INTs like today, he’s fine.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 20, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
We need a QB!
As long as Alex is throwing INT’s he’s ok. WHAT??? we need a QB plain and simple. Just because it may take away your hopes of our first round picks don’t be a hater. It’s the most important position in football. Even if Smith starts next year we need someone that can step in if he plays like shit, or gets hurt..
Pretty simple to understand
Every team doesn’t need a top 5 QB to win the Super Bowl. Alex Smith is fine as long as he’s not forcing throws and throwing 3 INTs like he did today. Before today’s game, he was having a good season and staying within his abilities.
Drafting a rookie QB will do nothing but set this franchise back another two years from contention. If the 49ers go into next season with a shut down defense and an improved RT, then this is a team capable of winning the NFC West. If the 49ers draft a QB with their 1st rounder and start them as a rookie, then I don’t know if I can make that same statement.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 20, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
You fix the O-Line...
You fix the forced throws. Every single INT was thrown under duress and two of those plays were just phenomenal plays by the defense. Only one of those was truly stupid.
Burning a 1st Round pick on a rookie QB instead of fixing the secondary or the O-Line does absolutely nothing to fix this team’s fundamental problems: they can’t protect against the pass and they can’t stop the pass rush.
Get a FA or 4th round QB
I’m not gonna sit back next season and watch Alex have “good games” with the big L on the board. We need someone who can score under pressure. Stay in the pocket a throw a good pass with a d linemen 1 foot away from him. Or he can just scramble to the right for no reason and throw it away.
Throwing with a lineman in your face like that is how you get INTs
because they hit your arm or you’re throwing off your back foot. You need a pocket not a QB that will throw while getting hit by a lineman.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
He did both today...
and you continue to crucify him for it. There were several plays where he made key throws while getting hammered to the ground in the second half. He threw it away most of the time when he got into trouble. You can find ONE really stupid pass that resulted in an interception.
Drafting a QB instead of an OT’s or DB’s would be about as useful as using a $100 bill to light a cigar.
Jockin the draft...
Yes get oline help get play makers. But in the LATER ROUNDS then get a dam QB. If Smith doesn’t improve and learn how to play under pressure than get his ass off the field. We have to much talent. I’m am sick of waiting till next year.
Yeah and the 1 play where he threw with a lineman hanging on him like March said above
Was the truly stupid interception. Makes me wonder how many of these people really understand the way football works or if they are just trolling.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
I still think there is hope for Smith
Get him some O line help, and some more weapons “Cj Spiller” cough** and lets see what he can do. But if he gets hurt, or plays like crap…. we need a young guy behind him ready to step in, NOT Shaun Hill.
I would agree with your LeFevour comment below
But he won’t last past three. Only QBs with big issues, who completely collapse in their bowl games, or start only 1 season and are unspectacular (Brady) slip outside the top 3 rounds. I might even accept taking LeFevour as a 3rd rounder but think that pick could be better used to move up to get a guy like Jerry Hughes if we have to jump in front of the Pats to get him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
He should be on our list
We have other needs, but if Lefavour is still there in the 4th 5th round then I say we get him. And yes I am a big Jerry Hughes fan, he has a motor, I think he is going to be a great player.
In the 4th or 5th LeFevour would be by far the best player available
Even Alex Smith would tell you to draft him at that point. No brainer.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
As of now, my draft opinion...
Here’s how I see the top of the draft unfolding as of today:
1. St. Louis Rams – QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
2. Detroit Lions – OT Russell Okung, Oklahoma St.
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – DT Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
4. Kansas City Chiefs – FS Eric Berry, Tennessee
5. Cleveland Bengals – DE Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech
6. Washington Redskins – RB C.J. Spiller, Clemson
7-12 = TBD
It’s still too early of course, but here’s what I’d like to see:
1. Package the 1st round pick from the Panthers with a future 2nd or this year’s 3rd and 4th rounder to move up and get FS Eric Berry. This only works if the Panthers hold the 7th/8th overall pick and Berry somehow gets to the Browns, Redskins, or Chiefs pick.
2. Use the second 1st round pick to get NT Terrence Cody from Alabama. Cody is still the best NT prospect in the draft in a few years and the Niners could use that manpower at the middle of their attack.
3. Use the 2nd round pick to get a young RT for depth. It is obvious that this team needs another quality tackle, but I don’t approve of reaching for one in the first round since this year’s draft looks weak at the position.
4. Use at least two late round picks on speed at WR and RB. I’m tired of seeing this team draft guys with limited upside in the late rounds while other teams grab the burners who end up being special teams heroes or great slot receivers. No more Glen Coffee’s please. A guy who can double as KR/PR and 4th WR would be a great pickup.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
note
5 should read Browns, not Bengals…
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 20, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
cleveland bengals
i laughed
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Either trade up to get Eric Berry, or trade down a big amount of spots, get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and take Spiller
1b. An OT
2a. Iupati
2b. CB/S depth
3-7. Whoever the hell you want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
about your trading/draft scenarios
i dont know how probable it would be to trade up. i think the team who he goes to knows what he will be like and probably won’t trade him.
With our top pick (assuming its a top 10), we either need to draft CJ Spiller or trade it down. I doubt we will take Joe Haden there and all the other top prospects for us will probably be gone. If we can trade down a few spots, like 3-4, we can pick up a second rounder as well as the first round pick of that team. Spiller could possibly fall to us at around 12-13. I don’t think the Redskins will go Spiller because they have Ganther and Cartwright, as well as Portis.
We WILL be taking an OT with our second first rounder, unless we fill that need in FA. If we do, I really don’t know who we will take. Maybe Jerry Hughes, maybe Golden Tate, maybe Earl Thomas, maybe we trade it to the Broncos for Brandon Marshall.
In the second round I feel we should draft Mike Iupati, guard from Idaho. If we traded down our first rounder, we could use it on a CB or S, maybe someone like Syd’Quan Thompson out of Cal.
The rest of the rounds? Well, that leaves to be determined.
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Either trade up to get Eric Berry, or trade down a big amount of spots, get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and take Spiller
1b. An OT
2a. Iupati
2b. CB/S depth
3-7. Whoever the hell you want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Please don't trade it for Marshall
Earl Thomas unless they have some plan to move down 5-10 spots and get Jerry Hughes and another 2nd rounder.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
Redskins
I live in DC and there is ZERO chance the Redskins go into next year with Ganther or Cartwright as starting RB’s. Neither was even a lock to make the roster this summer.
If they don’t take Spiller, then they will draft another RB elsewhere in the draft. I actually expect them to trade down with a new front office to stockpile picks. That pick could be the 49ers chance to trade up.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 20, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
There is zero chance that they sign their current QB to a multi year deal.
cOLT mCcOY TO THE rEDSKINS
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Agree
Maybe a 2-yr for a back up roll
I am thinking they will go Bradford or Pike though
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Probably Bradford if they're looking for a QB
Daniel Snyder loves big-name guys.
Of course, if he hires Shanahan then the Skins will actually target a good QB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yah Bradford
Possibly POSSIBLY Clausen. But it will be one of the big name guys coming in to make a splash for the Skins
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
Sam Bradford No.1 Overall?
LMFAO
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
wait until the offseason...
Clausen is riding in-season hype. People will remember why Bradford would have been #1/1 last year.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 21, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
All depends on how he looks at the combine
I could see him doing great and moving back to the #1 QB on the board.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
in-season hype is more important.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
And Bradford probably isn't even going to work out at the combine
He might be ready for training camp though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno
If he feels good I bet he does certain drills at the combine. Might not try to show off his arm strength but if he’s feeling alright he might show them he can still knock a bird in flight out with a pass. His accuracy before the injury really was ridiculously good.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2009 2:07 AM PST up reply actions
Couple of Things
1st, here’s a list of underclassmen declared for 2010 draft. Ive included my projections.
QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame [Projection: Top 10 Pick]
WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State [Projection: Top 20 Pick]
WR Golden Tate, Notre Dame [Projection: Top 25 Pick]
WR Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas [Projection: 2nd-3rd Round Pick]
WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois [Projection: Top 25 Pick]
OT Marcus Campbell, Maryland [Projection: Top 25 Pick]
DT Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma [Projection: Top 5 Pick]
CB Donovan Warren, Michigan [Projection: Mid-Late 3rd Round Pick]
and 2nd, my rankings.
QB:
1 Jimmy Clausen
2 Sam Bradford
3 Colt McCoy
4 Chase Keenum
5 Sean Canfield
6 Tim Tebow
7 Jevan Snead
8 Tony Pike
9 Bill Stull
10 Dan LeFevour
RB:
1 C.J. Spiller
2 Jonathan Dwyer
3 Jahvid Best
4 Joe McKnight
5 Evan Royster
6 Noel Devine
7 Ryan Matthews
8 DeMarco Murray
9 Chris Brown
10 Stafon Johnson
WR:
1 Dez Bryant
2 Golden Tate
3 Arrelious Benn
4 Mardy Gilyard
5 Damian Williams
6 Dezmon Briscoe
7 Brandon LaFell
8 Dexter McCluster
9 Demarylius Thomas
10 Eric Decker
TE:
1 Jermaine Gresham
2 Ed Dickson
3 Aaron Hernandez
4 Rob Gronkowski
5 Dennis Pitta
6 Weslye Saunders
7 Anthony McCoy
8 Garrett Graham
9 Robert Gantt
10 Bruce Figgins
C:
1 Josh McNeil
2 John Estes
3 Eric Olsen
4 Mattt Tennant
5 Erik Cook
6 Jacob Hickman
7 Garrett Anderson
8
9
10
OG:
1 Mike Iupati
2 Mike Pouncey
3 Rodney Hudson
4 Jon Asamoah
5 Sergio Render
6 Mitch Petrus
7 Justin Bolen
8 Steve Schilling
9 Orlando Franklin
10 Mike Johnson
OT:
1 Russell Okung
2 Trent Williams
3 Anthony Davis
4 Bryan Bulaga
5 Bruce Campbell
6 Charles Brown
7 Ciron Black
8 Vladimir Duccasse
9 Jason Fox
10 Selvish Capers
DE:
1 Derrick Morgan
2 Carlos Dunlap
3 Greg Hardy
4 Jason Pierre-Paul
5 Brandon Graham
6 Ricky Sapp
7 Corey Wooton
8 Jermaine Cunningham
9 Everson Griffen
10 Jason Worilds
DT:
1 Ndamukong Suh
2 Gerald McCoy
3 Terrence Cody
4 Marvin Austin
5 Dan Williams
6 Jared Odrick
7 Brian Price
8 Arthur Jones
9 Vince Oghobasase
10 Lawrence Marsh
OLB:
1 Sergio Kindle
2 Jerry Hughes
3 Navorro Bowman
4 Sean Weatherspoon
5 Roddrick Muckelroy
6 Bruce Carter
7 Von Miller
8 Eric Norwood
9 Travis Lewis
10 Rennie Curan
ILB:
1 Rolando McClain
2 Brandon Spikes
3 Greg Jones
4 Darryl Washington
5 Sean Lee
6 Micah Johnson
7 Obi Ezeh
8 Alex Wujciak
9 Ryan D’Imperio
10 Josh Bynes
CB:
1 Joe Haden
2 Patrick Robinson
3 Perrish Cox
4 Javier Arenas
5 Kareem Jackson
6 Donovan Warren
7 Syd’Quan Thompson
8 Ras-I Dowling
9 Alterraun Verner
10 Trevard Lindley
S:
1 Eric Berry
2 Earl Thomas
3 Taylor Mays
4 Nate Allen
5 Major Wright
6 Morgan Burnett
7 T.J. Ward
8 Reshad Jones
9 Kam Chancellor
10 Van Eskridge
How do you think Javhed Best's concussion...
Will affect where he’s drafted? Especially considering all the heat the NFL has taken in the past year for concussion injuries.
how
can you put Suh at #1 DT? he sucks.
also, your OT ratings. wow, theyre really different than most peoples’. Most have it as Okung, Campell/Bulaga, then Williams
Also, your CBs. Really, Ras-I as the 7th best? Maybe you see something no one else does, because most have him going in the first round along with Thomas and Berry! I think its funny that over the past week or so we don’t really see us as taking Haden anymore.
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Either trade up to get Eric Berry, or trade down a big amount of spots, get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and take Spiller
1b. An OT
2a. Iupati
2b. CB/S depth
3-7. Whoever the hell you want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
ok
I see Suh as #1 clearly, he is a dominate DT.
as for OT, Okung is #1, I like Williams, but also am high on Anthony Davis from Rutgers, same with Bulaga and Campbell, i see all 5 as 1st rd picks when all said and done.
I might have Dowling too low, i havent seen alot of him play.
I think you're either joking
Or you’ve got names mixed up. Suh and Berry are the best guys in the draft. Suh the DT from Nebraska that singlehandedly BEAT, (yes they won rolling a second back onto the clock was BCS BS), Texas with 4 1/2 sacks 8 tackles for a loss and 12 tackles. That Suh sucks?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
oh sorry guys
i thought you could tell i was joking about suh lol
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Either trade up to get Eric Berry, or trade down a big amount of spots, get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and take Spiller
1b. An OT
2a. Iupati
2b. CB/S depth
3-7. Whoever the hell you want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Your sarcasm wasn't sarcasmy enough I couldn't be sure
You needed to go more over the top. Something like worst DT in college football!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
oh ok
his last name is suh. the first 2 letters of his last name spell the first 2 letters of “SUCK”
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Either trade up to get Eric Berry, or trade down a big amount of spots, get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and take Spiller
1b. An OT
2a. Iupati
2b. CB/S depth
3-7. Whoever the hell you want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
I would have gotten this
Or a variation of he Suh-suh-SUHHHHCKS!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
You have Tebow above Pike?
A guy that can actually throw the ball like a professional? and Gerhart isn’t in your top 10 RBs…
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
would be cool..
But he’s basically another version of Alex Smith, a guy you don’t really like. He’s the steal of the draft in terms of QB’s right now.
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by youALREADYknow on Dec 20, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ya
He can run the ball and has a good arm. He would be a great player to take a chance on, to have as a backup QB. But I think he is a big sleeper. Smith still has a chance to be our starting QB but this was the game to ME where Smith was going to show if he had what it takes or not. Not playing teams like STL or DET, and he let me down. I’m just kinda pissed, and a depressed 9er fan right now. Thats why I’m hating on Smith… its a long offseason, we’ll see what kind of moves we make….
Dude the guy needs a line
We can’t judge any QB without a line. Everybody says Rodgers doesn’t have a line but his line really isn’t that bad, he just holds onto the ball a long time trying to make plays and takes sacks because of it. Half the time our QBs don’t even have time to get to the second read before the QB has to throw or take a sack .5 seconds later.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Lets blame it on the O line every year...
Look down field and make a play, run with the ball if you have to. Look a defender off and don’t watch your #1 option all the way down the field, know where your check down is… ya ya we can blame the O line, but 0/11 on 3rd down is just pathetic.
I am sure it is just that easy to do when you are having literally one second to go through all of that. Blaming it on the QB is the wrong way to go. It would have not mattered who was back there today. Did Alex make a few bad throws? Sure he did. Could he have played better? Sure. Could the rest of the ENTIRE team? Absolutley.
To deny the fact that the O-line played absolutely horrific isn’t being honest. Well one in specific, Adam Snyder made it very difficult to do anything back there. Jimmy Raye should have rode Gore until the wheels fell off…the run was working today. Not that he didn’t use him, he should have just used him more.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
The problem is...
That our run playbook is fairly limited. We saw a faked wildcat, runs up the middle, pulls, etc. It wasn’t a badly called running game, it’s just the running game can’t put up points quickly enough to hang with Philadelphia, especially with how the defense was playing.
Lets not turn this post into an Alex Smith argument
We are discussing the draft and free agency.
If you want to complain about Smith go to the official Alex Smith post.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Today made me realize just how bad Adam Snyder truly is. I knew he was bad but there is no way he should be starting in the NFL. Staley looked rusty and should have waited to come back until next week. Or sencond scenario should have been play Sims at LT and moved Staley to RT for this game only.
We need to draft an OT or get one in FA …majorly. Forget about all the position players for now. Watching Big Ben get 3 hours to throw each pass made me sick to my stomach tonight.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
What I can't fathom is how no one wanted to draft T when Crabtree was on the board.
He is a talent and he has made a FEW plays, but not enough to warrant waiting another season to address the OL issue. Frankly I’d rather take a guy that will help the entore offense gain yards than one player that can help if the ball gets to him right.
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I think that Crabtree is going to be a star
but I’m more and more leaning to this point of view. I have to wonder if drafting Oher would’ve improved our record by one or two games or even three.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Doubtful...
Because without Crabtree, we would only have one offensive threat besides Gore, Vernon Davis. You can’t ride a passing game on VD, his hands just aren’t good enough. In fact, the 49ers should be coming to the conclusion that they need more talent at WR if this transformation to a passing offense is going to work.
I’m not saying that WR’s should be drafted in every round of the draft with every pick, but it’s a need SF needs to address either in FA or in the draft.
Don't understand how it could be doubtful
We would be better running and passing, no matter what scheme or QB. Oher is the next J Ogden, let’s be realistic for a minute. More time to pass from Snyder’s end and more ability to run on that side as well. Better play as a whole and especially helpful for a guy like Rachal. Then we go into the upcoming draft with eyes on more than one wideout, instead of another OL that will have to develope this upcoming season. Tate, Bryant, Gilyard, Benn and the kid from LSU was enough reason to not draft Crabtree. Now look at what we have available at T. Any Ohers floatin’ in that lake? We shall see how bad that pick was for this franchise, and unfortunately for Crabs is not about his numbers, don’t get me wrong he is a talent, but we still have a need at WR because he can’t stretch the field. Maclin has good enough hands and could have taken over KR/PR duties. Morgan, Hill, Davis and #81 would have been a good enough WR core to go forward with considering a better O-Line.
Come here dead horse, get you ass whipped!
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Crabtree is part of the solution
As is fixing the offensive line. Which needs to happen this off season.
Not really?
Fixing the O Line should have come first that’s why teams that pay attention to the need are WINNING now and not waiting for next season in December. Granted it’s better than waiting for the next season in November, but we had a winning record when he joined and we didn’t do crap after he was added. Not really enough there to call him part of the solution. Plus on top of that he won’t have a 2nd contract with the team!
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Niners trade up in 2010 draft!!
they should have drafted desean jackson in 2008
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Either trade up to get Eric Berry, or trade down a big amount of spots, get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and take Spiller
1b. An OT
2a. Iupati
2b. CB/S depth
3-7. Whoever the hell you want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
That depends
We’ve got him locked for 5 years. If we’re a winning franchise at the point he sticks around.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
It will be about money not winning.
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Niners trade up in 2010 draft!!
With winning comes money
Endorsements. As great as Andre Johnson is he’s on the middling Texans so he doesn’t get the big money endorsement deals. If he were on the Colts he’d have a WHOLE lot more.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
None of those guys listed are #1 WR like Crabtree
Bryant is the only one I could see out of those you listed
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
Yeah right
How can you be so sure that Crabtree is?
Is DeSean Jackson a number 1? No he isn’t he is a field stretcher, not a QR that can take the punishment.
Can Crabtree become a number 1? Yeah but so can Gilyard, Bryant and Tate.
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And do we need another #1 receiver?
Or do we need someone who’s a great route runner, who’s great at reading defenses, who can get underneath, someone who fights for every single yard (I’m looking at you Josh Morgan) and provide the offense with those high percentage passing plays that aren’t in the playbook now?
I’d argue we need a Wes Welker style slot receiver way before we need another deep threat. Our shallow (or underneath) passing game is atrocious.
I agree with having Staley play at RT.
Lets see how he does at his original position. If he dominates there then we can bring in an elite OT. If he stunk at RT we could stick him back at LT where he wasn’t a Pro Bowler but he was serviceable and go after a Williams at the end of the round and play him where he WAS good at RT.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
RT is NOT Staley's original position
Why do people keep saying this?
Staley was originally a TE, he then moved to LT and was drafted to be a LT.
When he got here Jennings was given the LT job because of veteran courtesy….Joe Staley was abysmal at RT.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
I always thought he was a RT in college
I see now he played TE and moved to RT but only played 1 season there before moving over to LT. Makes sense. We slotted him at RT because he had played it but moved him back to LT when Jennings was gone.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2009 2:11 AM PST up reply actions
Rosterbation
I think this team’s most needs (in order) are:
1. RT
2. LG
3. A playmaker in the DeSean Jackson/Percy Harvin/Darren Sproles mold
4. RB depth
5. Playmaking Safety
6. OLB passrusher
With Carolina’s win tonight, I would guess our first round picks are going to be around #10 (as long as Carolina stops f’in us by beating superior teams) and #15 (if we can manage to beat the powerhouses that we are playing in our next two weeks).
Eric Berry would be an immediate upgrade in our secondary, but I see him going in the 4-7 range, and trading up to be too costly.
So, my dream off-season would be:
Free agent:
Logan Mankins, G- Sure, he likes winning in New England. But will they pay him? I assume he likes money too. He is the guy that Scotty M. wanted with the pick that ended up being Baas. Are we willing to open up the wallet for a Guard?
Draft:
1a. Trent WIliams OT- We have to solidify the tackle postion, and WIlliams does it.
1b. CJ Spiller- I am thoroughly impressed by his speed and strength. Think of a bigger Darren Sproles. He would an an extra dimension to our offense while taking care of needs three and four above. For those of you not sold, highlingts
I’d be happy with that alone. We’ve taken care of needs 1-4 with three players. Maybe sprinkle some Marriman dust or add a splash of Atogwe or Bathea on this and there would be reason to really get excited for 2010…
....
Offense is low in the passing area and the defense is worst at pass defense. How is Rb depth above pass defense? Trading up can never be too costly for a guy like Berry and he can be had because the Chiefs will be willing to deal their pick!
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Yes
Pioli is all about value.
He took Tyson Jackson 3rd overall last season.
He won’t draft Berry in the top 5.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 20, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Did you see Harrison run for 280 yds?
Yeah get a D Back….LOL
Their run defense is horrible and they can’t protect the QB and they want WR’s. A 1st 3rd and 4th may suffice for their pick. Afterward we can trade our 1 for a later 3rd adn 4th and 1. You can even replace thoe numbers 1st, 2nd and 3rd and do the same with the other pick.
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I head Haley wants more WRs
Apparently Bowe sucks.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Bowe is actually a pretty good receiver
37 receptions 522 yards through 9 games. Problem is his off-field stuff and his most recent suspension.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Well, this trade value chart says that trading up to the third overall pick in the draft (2,200 pts), would cost the 10th pick (1300), our second (430), third (195) plus the equivalent of a late second. That seems like a lot, and in my estimation is too much.
“Offense is low in the passing area”? what does that mean? If it means you think we need more recievers, I disagree.
RB depth above pass defense? Well, that is debatable. But our offense sucks when Gore is injured. I love him, but he’s getting old for an NFL RB.
I think Berry goes between 4 and 7 now
Here is the big choice The Rams NEED a QB, but the best player on every board is Suh who looks to be the best DT to come into the league since John Randle, (who ironically was undrafted). So do they take Suh or Clausen??? The Bucs take Suh if the rams took Clausen, if the Rams take Suh then the bucks go with McCoy, Okung, or Berry #3 The Lions take I think most likely Okung, but could still go McCoy or Berry
By the time you get to 4 Suh WILL be gone barring him being in a car accident and breaking a leg or other catastrophic off field incident. Okung will likely be gone to Detroit.
At that point We might be able to deal with the Browns or Redskins for that 4 pick which is 400 points less than the 3 pick on that scale. We can get the 4 for our 1a and 2nd round and we can probably move down with 1b and still get a good RT. Bulaga will probably be gone but I’d rather have an RT like Williams AND Jerry Hughes than just Bulaga.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure if you caught any of the Detriot vs Arizona game but
that kid Louis Delmas is going to be one of the better safeties in the NFL probably the best Detroit will have seen since Benny Blades. I doubt the Lions will pick Berry. If they do, it’ll be a huge shock to everyone including myself
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Precisely
Detroit won’t be taking Berry. Also, the Lions and Chiefs are in the market for OT help.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
by youALREADYknow on Dec 21, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Well I did already say the Lions will go with protection for their franchise
Its the Browns I’m worried about going with Berry over McCoy. If Berry slides to 5 he could slip to 8 or 8. Its the #4 team I’m really worried about.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Thankfully
Jason Campbell just threw an unpressured pick 6 by overthrowing his TE on a screen. So Washington is definitely looking at a QB right now
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Nice I didn't see any of it
Stuck here on Least coast so I have to obtain all 9ers games via stream its not worth it to go through the stream stress for other teams. I only catch multiple teams when going to a sports bar and I’ve been waylaid at home for most of this month.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure I agree with that order 100% but for the most part correct
I would say it like this:
1. RT
2. S
3. LG
4. RB for more depth
5. CB or another S
6. WR. (Jason Hill can stretch the field already if there is enough time in the pocket)
7. OL for depth
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
My order of the needs mostly agrees...
1. S
2. RT
3. LG
4. WR
5. DB
6. OL for depth
7. WR
I still think that if you fix the O-Line, you fix what ails the running game.
the niners desperately need a speed/change-of-pace RB which is, I suppose, what people are talking about with “RB for depth”
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by FearTheTree on Dec 21, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
As for trading up...
It’s going to take the Niners 1st rounder and the 2011 1st round pick to trade up now. That Carolina win pushes both of this year’s picks into the 11-20 range.
In other words, it will have cost the 49ers the 2009 2nd round pick, 2009 4th round pick, and 2011 1st round pick in order to move into the top of the 2010 draft.
Whether it is worth the price is up for debate, but Berry would be the only player on the board to merit that kind of consideration.
Rays in '08.... Desmond Jennings - the breakout continues.....
We have three or four...
Well identified need areas. I’m not convinced you don’t trade down from that 1A pick to get a 1C, 2B, 3B and maybe a 4B. I think I’d take being able to substantially improve the DB corp, O-Line and WR corps and maybe get a steal on a RB rather than burn a bunch of picks to get Eric Berry, unless the 49ers Front Office proves adapt in addressing some of these needs in F/A.
I think the needs are too many and too great.
Aside from Denver, Oakland, and the Seahawks
I don’t see teams picking Berry that high. I am thinking 8-10 range for Berry unless a team ignores a desperate Need.
Holmgren goes to Cleveland he will get a QB, Quinn looks awful. Chiefs need OL and DL help desperately and also need WR’s (so says Haley). Rams need a QB, Buccs need DL.
I think Okung, Suh, McCoy, Clausen, Bradford (big maybe), Colt McCoy(possible) go before Berry.
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You could make the argument...
Quinn looks terrible because Mangini hasn’t developed him, he has no WR’s and no O-Line to protect him. Dumping the QB when you don’t have a system in place to make a QB successful is silly.
Quinn
I also think they are going to stick with Quinn. He hasn’t even really had a full year and he is still developing. Their RB looks good. They may go Dez Bryant or McCoy or DL… that would be my guess for the Browns. I think the owners won’t give up on Quinn just yet; the same as the Niners did with Alex Smith
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
McCoy as in Gerald not Colt
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I looked at one of my posts above
and was thinking the same – (Why would I have Colt that high?) – Then reality set in that the good McCoy never got the NCAA hype machine behind him and i was talking about Gerald.
I think the Browns are as likely to go with Berry as they are to go with Gerald McCoy if Okung is off the board to Detroit as I expect
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
It will ultimately be the decision of the new GM especially since he is a QB guy.
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Yeah...
Good point. But with all the needs the Browns have, I can’t imagine Holgrem would put QB on the top of his list.
I could also see Holmgren deciding the best QB in the draft went back to school
and blowing off the two that are there
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 21, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
That too...
Speaking of which, Oregon State plays tomorrow in a bowl (on some undetermined channel I’ll find later) and I’m interested to see how Sean Canfield does. He impressed me in the game I saw against Cal.
Oregon State really came on late in the season
Wish they had played Cincy in one of the later games in the season and we’d see how good both really were.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2009 2:13 AM PST up reply actions
Holmgren doesn't strike me as the guy that would draft a QB that high
But who knows…really.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 21, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Our 1a and 1b picks now?
What are our current picks looking to be sitting at now? I know it will be somewhat dependent on the game tonight since Washington is close to our 1a but thought I’d check since I’m working on some stuff.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 21, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions
11 and 12 right now… smileyman and I will be posting the new thread tonight after the game with all of that information included… new draft order and such
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Thanks Drew!
I’ll keep an eye out for it. So I guess we’re rooting for the Skins tonight to get at least closer to Carolina.Uggh I have to root for the Skins? Do I really have to?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 21, 2009 6:37 PM PST reply actions
Sleeper picks at TE?
Wondering what you guys think about some of these TEs and where they will go?
1. Dennis Pita BYU
2. Garret Graham Wisconsin
3. Ed Dickson Oregon
4. D.J. Williams South Carolina
5 Luke Stocker Tenn.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 21, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions
Pitta
is a tough TE from a school that produces great tight ends (several of whom are currently playing in the NFL). He’ll probably go in the 4th or 5th.
I’m not familiar with the others.
Interesting factoid—Brian Billick played TE for BYU in his college days.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
And Billick played for the 9ers too
Probably not our most heralded TE LOL. While we’re on the useless Billick factoids, he also was on ..I think it was on the dating game back then as well.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 22, 2009 4:03 AM PST up reply actions
Ed Dickson
is really the only guy on the list that is ranked very high. I don’t know a ton about Pitta, but I know smileyman follows BYU more closely so I would take his advice on that.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Not just BYU
but the schools in this area (I live in Idaho). Means lots of Boise, U of U, Utah State, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado, etc.
Basically MWC and WAC.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
nice
Who is Boise’s Tackle that will be going up against Hughes and how good is he???
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 22, 2009 2:15 AM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately for Boise State
their starting RT broke his ankle in practice and will be out for the game. Pendergast is a decent O-lineman though I think that Hughes is much better than him.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Define "very high" in your aspect.
I’m looking at them and would like to pick one up in the 5th or so (higher if we somehow get multiple 4ths) I’m kinda liking Graham as the “sleepiest” of the sleepers LOL. I think Dickson and Pitta will be on the radar more than him but I could be wrong. The others are just other fast TEs I saw on Mel’s Junior board.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 22, 2009 4:13 AM PST up reply actions
This weeks new thread open for discussion (Topic CB's and OLB's)
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/12/21/1211219/official-updated-nn-offseason
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