Jimmy Raye Approval Rating, Week 12
by David Fucillo on Dec 2, 2009 10:00 AM PST
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Heading into this week, I'd imagine disapproval of Jimmy was fast closing in on rock bottom. After a week 10 approval rating of 35%, the loss in Green Bay and a variety of questionable calling issues dropped his approval rating to 13%. People were fed up with the play-calling, predicated in part upon seeing the offense not going to the shotgun/spread until they were already well behind. And then, when it seemed like the team might be coming back, they'd go back to conservative play-calling.
Suddenly we hear about the players "taking ownership" of the offense and going to Jimmy Raye with what they wanted to see more of in the offense. How often do you hear of this happening? Even more interesting is the fact that the team switched course against a decent Jaguars team and took care of business. Of course, even though the Jaguars entered the game at 6-4, their pass rush was sufficiently abysmal that they were the type of team that was pretty perfect for what ailed the 49ers. Throw in a missing Rashean Mathis, and the advantages were definitely in the 49ers favor.
The question thus becomes what will we see from the offense this Sunday at Seattle? The Seahawks have struggled in pass defense, whether you're looking at traditional counting stats (#25 against the pass prior to the Rams game), or advanced stats over at Football Outsiders (#26 against the pass, also prior to the Rams game). So, do we see more of the same game plan? Or given that they're missing Lofa Tatupu, does the offensive game plan mix in more of the pounding rush? I know folks are all about the spread offense, but given Frank Gore's ability to break big runs against Seattle, what ever do the 49ers do?
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Can't argue
with Raye’s game calling last week. On 4th and 1, he calls a 30-yd pass to Vernon Davis. We ran approx. 70% of the plays out of the shotgun in brilliant fashion (two TE sets). I approve.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 2, 2009 10:11 AM PST reply actions
Yes, but biggest test will be
Not just whether we go shotgun or throw the ball more in general…but whether we GAMEPLAN for teams well and aggressively go after their weakness rather than try to establish what we THINK is our identity.
I’m also quite sure he’s read the writing on the wall with a lot of fans calling for his head recently.
Finally....
Jimmy Raye gets it…Last week I made a comment on how they needed to be more aggressive on offense from the start of the game and they did exactly that…the 4th and 1 play to Davis was a thing of beauty! Kudos to the players for coming to jimmy and telling him to open up the offense. With the exception of maybe 2 throws that could have been picked, Smith played a solid game and Jimmy called some nice plays…we sputtered a bit in the second half but overall I was very happy with his gameplan…Go Niners!
Jimmy Raye approved
For two weeks now that motion play with Morgan and then run was not used, hell to the m-f-in’ yeah
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Ignorance is truly bliss!!
Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!
The one where he does the Crouching Robot
Hidden Nothing, stops behind the tight end, the play goes into super slo mo, you see the defense dial up the run blitz and then the run up the middle goes nowhere? Don’t know what you[re talkingabout…
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
It would have worked!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Hey....
That play scored both of Gore’s TDs against Seattle, no?
If Gore needs that play to score against Seattle
We don’t deserve to win.
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Ignorance is truly bliss!!
Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!
I though it was only one of the TDs that came of the play.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 3, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Only because it's been one week
I’ll man up and admit I voted no, but only because I believe in consistency and I want to see more of the same and even better results from the “offensive epiphany”. I hope I’ll change my vote after this Sunday or the Monday after. Raye does appear to be getting it though.
I reviewed a recording of the Jax game last night and formed the conclusion that if it weren’t for a couple of dropped INT’s and a dropped Crabs TD catch (which was beautifully placed by Alex), it very well should have been even uglier than it turned out to be for the Jags. I think we’re on to something, but I want to see it happen for more than one game in a row to be sold.
Me too
I voted no. If he can game plan effectively against the Seahawks then I’ll probably vote yes, but one game does not change my mind.
Of course...
he game planned quite effectively the 1st time around…give the ball to gore…they won 23-10…just repeat the performance, with a little more passing to Crabby and VD and the Niners should be fine.
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 2, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I love the phrase to 'man up'
For whatever reason it has never made it this side of the Atlantic. I wish it had – we have no equivalent. I am on a one-man mission to install it in common parlance here.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
Really?
I figured that it would have originated from there with all the beer drinking that goes on… haha. Well I hope you succeed on your mission…and eveyones “mans up” enough to adopt the term.
Ha ha - we do like beer ...
… I’ll try to connect the two. “Man up, and get your round in”. That type of thing.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
Of course that was a joke with reference to beer...
Crickets?
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
I'm still not sure I'm with you!
I don’t actually know the origin of the phrase Ps and Qs. Have always wondered.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
per urban dictionary
From an old printer’s axiom. Back in the early days of printing presses, each line of text had to be set up one letter at a time. Since the letters in the press were reversed (so they’d print forward), the printmaker (or typographer) needed to be careful not to confuse one letter for the other.
Reminding someone to “watch his p’s and q’s” means to pay attention to the details.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 2, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ala the Gary Radnich show
Good knowledge! :)
Good stuff!
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
Well that totally ruined it for me.
I heard it was Old Britain for pints and quarts, that the bartender would yell that at the pub when it was getting routy. I like my [probably] wrong version better…
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
There needs to me a rating system instead of just Yes or No....
I agree with the game against the Jags, but overall is still up in the air. Maybe like a 1-10 system or something, just a thought
The problem was not that Jimmy Raye didn’t call enough pass plays,it was that he often called the wrong pass plays at the wrong time. (and of course that the players were not executing the called plays very well quite often).
Raye has consistently called more pass plays than he has called run plays in almost every game this season . Many media and fans keep repeating the same nonsense that Raye only wants to run the ball all the time,but those fans and media seen to not actually be wathing the games or reading the stats in the paper the next day ,lol.
Raye started out in the first game of the season in arizona by passing on 58% of the plays and he kept up passing more than running the ball for this entire season.
The big improvement last week was that he started using a little more immagination in the type of passing plays and when he called certain passing plays etc,(and of course that the players stopped stinking at execution and at turnovers and penalties etc),not that he changed from a running coach to a passing coach. He was already a pasing coach more than a running coach,according to what he had already been doing this season from day one !
Style points
I can agree with that. The wrong play likely having mainly to do with the formation it was run out of.
Mangoman:
Don’t forget the 3 interceptions that alex threw against the Jags that we were lucky were not actually caught by the Jags. That would have probably meant a sure defeat for us ,since we scored on two of those drives and they would have probably scored on at least 2 of those almost picks.(but luck is part of the game).
We not only need Raye to be consistent but we ned Alex to finally show some consistency,if we are to be taken seriously on offense.
What about the Manny opportunities we missed too?
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
Man that was painful
for about 2 seconds I was thinking to myself: “could this go for a touchdown? This is going to be great, the D showing up huge agai…. damn it Manny what the hell was that?!?!?”
Manny et al
Yeah the three LB’s, Manny, Patrick and Takeo all dropped what should have been INT’s. They must have thought they were the three tenors. :P
True, however. . .
I had a good look at those near interceptions last night and none appeared to be thrown directly to a defender. In fact they appeared to bounce/tip off the receiver and into the air. So even if luck went against us, it wouldn’t have necessarily been Alex’s fault outright.
Still Approve of The Raye Offense
Always have from the simplicity perspective of his system. Still not completely sold on his ability to dial up the right play at the right time. I’d like to see a sharper, younger, more aggressive person calling plays out of Jimmy’s book.
Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!
No...No...and more no
It was the players that brought this to Jimmy Raye…not the other way around. If you are an OC, you need to be the one dictating what happens. When the players come to you and say, “Look coach, what we’ve done previous to now hasn’t worked. I think we need to try this instead”, then that does not exactly speak in your favor.
who made the 4th and 1 call?
Alex Smith?
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 2, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
So he makes a 4th and 1 call and that makes him a golden genius?
Jimmy Raye is a horrible coordinator IMO. He has never been good anywhere he went and more importantly…in all those years, no Superbowls. Is there a reason for that? I suspect there is
he's improved and that's a fact
I don’t care if the players had to go to him to say “let’s play in the shotgun more”, but the bottom line is, he’s called the plays that the players are now executing. His playcalling has been transformed, and the players are now executing. When the players weren’t executing it was still Raye’s fault, so now that they are executing, why can’t Raye get credit?
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 2, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
Why can't Raye get credit?
Plain and simple….he doesnt deserve it. Not yet….and not until he takes this team to at least a playoff game. I’m not sure if even then…this team should have more wins than they do and it is because of crappy conservative, inconsistant, play-calling all year up until this point. He had an approval rating of 13% last week for cryin’ out loud. Just because of 1 win against the Jaguars am I going to change my opinion of him. No. It’s gonna take alot more than that to prove to me that he is worthy of being the OC for the 49ers.
Do you not grasp the point? That the players were the ones that went to him because what HE was doing wasn’t working? Do realize how bad that is on his behalf? Again, it does not work in Raye’s favor.
You have to remember
Raye isn’t the HC, he isn’t the the chief. He was hired by Coach Singletary to do a job, and Singletary’s plan was to operate a run oriented offense that limited mistakes. Singletary said himself that he wasn’t going to be the guy to go to Raye and say “hey, let’s change this offense”. In other words, Singletary told the players to approach Raye, so I fail to see how this negatively reflects on the OC.
It speaks volumes for how bad a team is when you have to switch to a shotgun formation for 70% of your plays during a game. That alone means the team should not have more wins than they have. Yes, they lost some close contests, but overall, the offense has not executed. How inconsistent was his playing calling really up until now?
He has our best offensive receiving target having a career year (VD), Frank Gore has tied a career high with 9 total TDs, and the O-Line is a pile of garbage. Raye is only working with what he has. The team has not been executing, and I fail to see the inconsistency in Raye’s play calling that you refer to so frequently. Who would be doing a better job?
He had Shaun Hill at QB, and since he gameplanned to that QB’s strength by accomidating for Swan’s noodle arm, Raye was labelled conservative. Now, because he’s accomidating for Smith’s strengths, he’s labelled terrible because it took the players to tell him what to do. Generally it is not in a team’s best interest to run so many shotgun plays, because it makes a team one-dimensional. Raye was trying to do what his coach told him to do from day – establish the team’s identity. Switching to a shotgun heavy playbook changes the team’s identity. We’re fortunate that it’s working now, because teams haven’t had a lot of time to prepare for it.
I fear when the 70% Shotgun Philosophy gets us a big goose egg, it won’t be on the lack of skill this team has, it will be on Raye for being too inconsistent, terrible and grumpy. The team can’t execute well enough to get an identity, and now they have to attempt creating a new identity 11 games into 2009.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 2, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Goat Boy!
It hurts to know that Jim Brewer is resorting to doing Pizza Hut stuffed crust commercials now.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 3, 2009 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
so...
he has to take a bad team to the playoffs to be a good OC? a decent OC?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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The Rams in the 80's were not a bad team
he didn’t do anything there either….so to answer your question. Yes.
In Jimmy's case
I would agree with this statement because he’s been in the league as a coach for some 30 years. I think by now he should have the experience & know how to know what is and isn’t working. It’s more understandable in Sing’s case because he’s never held a HC job, is still learning the role, and will be for the foreseeable (indefinite) future. If I was new in a particular position, I wouldn’t find it unusual to seek and get input from my team.
I gave a no
Gore wasn’t used. If you look at how New England uses Brady and his back field in the shotgun….I think we’ve got work to do. You can still have a running game in the shotgun. This has been there for years. Marino and Elway both ran successful shotguns and had great running games. Get more creative. I give him a “Getting There” vote this week.
FO, at the beginning of the year
Projected the Niners offense to be -7% DVOA, ranked 24th in the league. As of this week they are -10%, 22nd in the league in offense. Weighting recent games higher, it doesn’t change much (-9%, 21st). About where they were at the end of 2008.
Of course, some of their other predictions have been bad (Niners defense, Saints Offense), but I don’t see how anyone could look at the Niners Offense pre-season (before Raye) and predict that it was going to be anything better than mediocre. Now consider the collapse of the OL, particuarly the run blocking – and yet the offense (run or pass) didn’t actually get much worse than last year, and by passing more it’s seems to be a little better.
Does this mean Raye is a good OC? No, I think he’s an average one. I think the QB/WR/TE situation has improved relative to last year, but the OL has regressed. Gore has actually been better this year than last (but of course gets stuff more because the OL can’t block).
I think Raye has actually been quite flexible in changing his game plans both in-game and between games. I think his personnel is mediocre on the whole (with some standouts), and it’s his first year with the team.
Get off his back … (unless you think you can blame him for the OL … in which case, I’ll be out back looking for my pitchfork)
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Dec 2, 2009 3:28 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
The players made the adjustment
as we found out this week. It wasn’t until they stormed him office to tell him what was so obvious to almost every fan out there. RUN SPREAD FROM Q1!!! And he did that.
The O-line doesn’t have as big a problem pass blocking. This is something anyone other than Raye realized watching in excruciating pain the base offense game after game.
WE KNEW THIS AFTER THE TEXANS GAME, and yet nearly a MONTH later Raye finally works it into a game for our benefit.
If Cutler hadn’t given us the game we would have lost as well, and playoff hopes wouldn’t even exist.
and they managed to have an OK performance against
a team with one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL!
LET THE TRUMPS SOUND!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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hmmmmm
Thumbs down on Jimmy. He looks more like a beach comber or can collector.
Hard to tell
Raye’s system had been totally stifled buy Singletary’s insistance on a limited run-up-the-middle type of offense that worked for the Bears back in the 80’s but is ineffective today.
Also, the O-line has been struggling, but not just because of injuries or incompetance. The line that actuaaly started looking good toward the end of last year is facing a completely different blocking scheme. Remember how good Rachal looked last year as a rookie; he was probably in the same type of blocking scheme at USC. Nobody has addressed whether we should replace the O-Line coach for failing to get the line adjusted.
During the Niner glory days, most the linmen were nothing special, but the OL coach (can’t remember his name) was the best in the league; things went downhill after he passed away.
Bobb McKittrick...
December 29, 1935–March 15, 2000) was an American football offensive line coach in the National Football League who coached in five Super Bowls.
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