Discussion: Reason for Lost Season
by JHill26 on Dec 20, 2009 5:10 PM PST
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Alright. So today, the 49ers team lost a very crucial game to the Eagles. As a result, the 49ers are now officially eliminated from playoff contention. In situations like this, there tends to be a lot of fans who angrily pass the blame onto people they personally believe were at fault. It is understandable that people should feel frustrated, especially since a great franchise like the 49ers, which revolutionized the National Football League in the opinions of many people, can't seem to get it together.
I am writing this fanpost as a reflection, as well as an open discussion regarding this lost season.
I think that the 49ers have come close to the playoffs but have once again fallen short not because of a problem in the head coach's philosophy, but because of certain "ailments" that continue to hamper the team's ability to succeed. For the past few seasons, it had seemed that everytime the 49ers' season was lost, it was always blamed on the current head coach. When that head coach was replaced, similar results were produced under the coach that followed. It would seem, however, that under this current head coach the 49ers have exhibited significant improvement, but have not been able to finish games or execute well enough to win the games that mattered most.
From my observation, the 49ers' have seen significant improvement under Mike Singletary at the helm this year, but have fallen short because of a number of factors that went unaddressed -- not by Singletary, but by the 49ers upper management. The 49ers went into this season very unsettled. While the team knew who the starting quarterback would be, the quarterback position remained very unsettled, due to Shaun Hill's lackluster performance in the pass play. But can it really be blamed on him when Alex Smith, despite having clearly the better arm, has also come up short on long passes and big plays that the current receiving core is clearly more than capable of making? What it comes down to is the offensive coordination, and the mediocrity in Jimmy Raye's apparently very predictable, run-first style offense. Despite the unsettled vibe at the quarterback position, the 49ers have also had a very deficient offensive line that has on too many occasions failed to protect its quarterback or buy him enough time to make a decisive pass to an open receiver. This has been the case regardless of who has lined up behind center, regardless of whether it was Shaun Hill or Alex Smith.
I believe that a hard lesson may have been learned by management this past season regarding the personnel. And it is my personal wish that the current offensive coordinator be released on the basis of irreconcilable differences with the team's will to win versus the philosophy of "hard-nosed football". It is a fact that sometimes you can play and fight hard, and still be the statistical loser.
If the 49ers can address some of these issues in the offseason, I believe the team could very well explode onto the 2010 scene as "the elite" team in the National Football League. It has shown the capacity to do so in its performance against teams such as the Colts, Texans, Packers, Cardinals, Vikings and arguably other teams it has faced in the regular season. Its capacity was clear in the fact that (a) the other teams, despite their "elite" status, had a difficult time and/or (b) the 49ers clearly almost won but fell short.
The game versus Philadelphia today was a game that the 49ers could have afforded to lose, had they won at least one of the games they clearly were supposed to win but fell short on.
My personal suggestion:
Continue to build on the 3-4 defense, but do not rely on it for the purpose of scoring points. The purpose of any defense is, objectively, to slow the other team's offense down and, if possible, force turnovers. Offensively, the 49ers need to get out of the spread offense and move back toward the West Coast offense, which was what had taken the 49ers to the next level in all of its championship years. Also make changes to the offensive line so that the strongest men are put at the front line to buy the quarterback enough time to make good decisions without being afflicted by the pass rush, man coverage or any other form of defensive pressure.
All in all, I am proud of what the 49ers have accomplished this season, despite entering it unsettled in so many areas, spanning from an unsettled quarterback position and a mediocre, get-you-by offensive coordination scheme to an unsigned go-to wide receiver.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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main reason is bad qb.
now the 49ers have a bad line but the qb is the main reason. we need consitent play in that position
Well, we still don't know
whether Alex Smith is the starting QB going forward. At this point, I have to say no, simply because he was faced with a tough task and couldn’t engineer a win. I know that it was not all his fault, but he had many drives to come up with something, but ended up failing. Throwing three INTs is inexcusable. I’m also still not sold on Morgan starting opposite Crabtree simply because of his speed. His running involves taking long strides, which make the direction he’s running quite easy to predict. He also studders/hesitates/slows down after making catches making his YAC almost zero on practically all his catches. And when Asante Samuel starts talking trash, he just starts talking back instead of going back into the huddle and concentrating on improving his play. Also, what’s up with receivers not running past the first down marker in order to get the first down more easily? In Morgan’s case, that’s absolutely key! The defense did well as a whole, but will definitely not miss Bly or Roman next year. They need to draft a couple of CBs, some O-linemen, a QB, and some fast kick/punt returners. Oh, ya. They won’t be missing Arnaz “effin” Battle anymore too(and although Morgan does not look bad as a KR, he won’t get you any TDs). The offense will seek continuity next year, as Jimmy Raye will return. UGH! I’m glad they’ll have continuity, but they’ll have continuous predictability on offense, is all they’ll have…Their offense has problems isolating playmakers and makes it too easy for the defensive players to understand what’s coming at them. All we Forty Niner fans can hope for now is that Alex Smith improves a lot more…and develops great chemistry with his receivers. Oh, and I forgot to mention one more thing: O.J. Atogwe anyone 2010!!! Cheers.
Jason Hill supporter 'til the end
I can tell at least 3 of the people above me never played line if they ever played competitive football at all
You cannot succeed as a QB with a line that is so bad that once a game you get sacked before even coming out of a 3 step drop.
As the broadcasters said “HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 20, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The line was bad
But it’s not an excuse for the way Smith played. He was absolutely abysmal for the second week in a row, even when he had time.
by Brendan Scolari on Dec 20, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Every QB has their ups and downs. IMO, Alex only lost the Titans game this season. There was plenty of blame to go around in all the other losses.
Pointing at QB play has become the trend late in this season but I think it’s an aberration due an overlapping of generations, this happened at the end of the 80’s and start of the 90’s too. As this older generation fades the QB talent pool will shrink back to normal.
his INT's
if they’re tipped, he’s hit as he throws…fine. but he needs to make better decisions. He broke the pocket early a few times and the commentators noticed it too. This is a bad habit of his that has to stop. He has delivered some of his best passes when he stood in and took a hit after he threw.
It’s just frustrating that we lost by two TD’s and had 3 INT’s, the fumble…all in THE FIRST HALF!
Alex needs to mature, calm down…He’s made progress but we really need to see a completely different guy next year or I can’t feel good about him as the future. Big time players make big time plays…and also don’t make big time mistakes.
No Excuse
Green bay o line is major weak but Aaron Rodger still get the job done!!!!!! No excuses for alex smith
Yeah, Aaron is some kind of anomaly. Maybe Favre really did teach him something, by being such a prick and never retiring. Aaron plays a high risk game, where he will pass while taking hits. Alex rolls right when he sees a hint of pressure. It adds up to higher rewards, but there’s obviously an injury risk. Our defense has also blundered against teams like Atlanta, Houston, Green Bay (how did we not get pressure on Aaron?) and Tennessee.
Look on the bright side...
At least we didn’t trade half a draft for Jay Cutler and lock him into a 5-year deal.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
Can’t consistently protect the QB.
Can’t consistently open up running lanes for the RB.
Can’t gain any free yardage in the return game.
Can’t consistently pressure the opposing QB, especially on the road where there is no crowd noise advantage, especially on early downs.
Too slow at nickel safety, thus allowing key TDs (i.e. @ Minnesota, @ GB, @ Seattle).
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
agreed
and also a little slow at base safety and inconsistent (deep) coverage from one corner.
The limited speed in the secondary, base or nickle, was in full view today. I am sure that will be addressed in the off season as a primary concern.
Snyder and Bass were pretty weak today. No protection. End of story.
O-line and secondary are priorities. This is not a news flash. It is why we did not go further.
And, by the way, the coach is great and we are lucky to have him. (The evidence, in case you are blind, is how far he got with an unsound team (oline and secondary) and expecially how impressive the development of individual players has been this season.
No disagreement
I find some of the coaching criticism interesting especially from people who entered the season saying this team was lacking enough playmakers to make the playoffs. Yet Sing and his staff had them in every game (except Atlanta) in the 4th quarter and in the playoff race into week 15. It used to be the Niners had to play perfect to have a chance. In this game they had turnovers, penalties and poor pass blocking yet were driving for the tie in the 4th quarter before the phantom holding call.
They weren’t good enough, especially with this road schedule, to beat the big boys. That sucks but it leaves no illusions. If this team is to take the next step and improve its room for error, a few positions need to be upgraded. Those positions have performed poorly all season regardless of opponent. For once it’s not the coaching staff.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Well, i was one of those who said that..
and I think I’ve continued to say it along with criticizing the coaching, with valid specific points, as opposed to your generalizations.
But hey, that’s just my opinion, and you know all about those.
Well, we're waiting....
spot on
This pretty much sums it up. When I first started thinking about this, I really didn’t think about the return game but the lack of quality returners has killed us this year. I can think of at least two games where the return game torpedoed us this year. O-line is still a weakness. The pass rush has gotten better as the year has gone on, but still needs work.
49ers have tons of issues
A non-cerebral QB or OC.
No Offensive line, I almost think we need 3 new players
No WR, not even Crabtree has been remarkable, no 100 yard WR days this year, is it the QB the offense or the WR’s?
No KR/PR
No Deep safety help and no corner with great one on one cover skills beyond 20 yards
True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!
Blk Sand Ninja-
no 100 yard WR days this year
That is pretty remarkable, and it’s nearly all on the QB/O-line. Smith/Hill can hardly throw the ball down field, and a lot of times they aren’t even given a chance.
by Brendan Scolari on Dec 20, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
It is odd but it's been an odd season for the offense
And to be fair, the plan was to feature VD in the passing game and he’s had three 100 yard game and two others with over 90. But the RB was to be the featured player. Add a new OC, change at QB, change in philosophy of run/pass ratio, mid-season addition of a rookie WR who had zero training camp, and of course the O-line issues and it’s amazing that they’re on pace to match last seasons point total.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
It's hard to throw deep routes when you don't have time to let them develop
McNabb’s stats were almost exactly the same as Alex’s this game yet he had 306 yards compared to Alex’s 177.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
A non-cerebral QB or OC.
what does that even mean?
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a guy that doesn't use his cerebral?
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I think one reason they didn't make the playoffs is because
Nate Clements got injured. Him not being there is the reason their pass defense dropped to 30th in the league. He wasn’t spectacular as a cover corner, but his open field tackling skills were a big reason why opposing ball carriers were held to less yardage. Bly is garbage, let’s face it. T. Brown is physical, but too physical at times. I think he’ll mature enough to be a good CB in the NFL, but he’ll need to spend some time at the nickel first. Clements not being there screwed the defense over big time. The coaching staff had plans to put him at safety, which were cut short because he injured his shoulder the week after he was demoted from his starting CB spot. Imagine his hard-hitting ability at safety. With his leadership, he could have been the vocal leader this defense was lacking (similar to a Brian Dawkins or Darren Sharper). I don’t know how how good he would have been at safety, but I’m sure he would not get beaten downfield the same way he would get beaten as a corner.
Jason Hill supporter 'til the end
Don't worry, all will be well next season..
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Dec 20, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Reasons for the lost season
The QB’s against any decent defense
The O-line
Lackluster WR play at times
Occasionally, the secondary
Some bad luck losing quite a few close games (today was not one of them, the Niners deserved to lose)
by Brendan Scolari on Dec 20, 2009 9:59 PM PST reply actions
Yes, there are a few glaring roster holes we can all name but I think a higher level issue needs to be addressed than fixed:
Building Through the Draft
The concept is cliche, yet holds a bit a truth. The problem is the 49ers are only building through the draft. This strategy might work and provide optimal results if the 49ers were actually good at drafting players, but according to every measure I’ve read, watched or heard the 49ers are average at drafting. This is not a strength, the 49ers are not out pacing the rest of the NFL and sadly it’s been the entire game plan.
Combine the 49ers average drafting ability with the reality that the team currently has 5 glaring roster holes with potentially 2-3 new roster holes popping up after the 2010 season than it’s starts to become obvious the 49ers simply cannot draft there way into an elite roster.
The team needs to figure out the free agency aspect of team building. The 2009 free agency class was a complete failure across the board. In fact the only free agents the 49ers have been able to sniff out this decade are the high priced ones, which were bought with a high price tag.
The third component of team building is reclamation projects (since player for player trades barely exist in the NFL). Thankfully Singletary seems to have a grip on this department. Ahmad Brooks appears to be successful reclamation project. Singletary also appears to have reclaimed a few of 49ers own failed draft picks. However, the team is going to need a few more success stories in the upcoming years if they are going to catch other teams in the talent department.
"In fact the only free agents the 49ers have been able to sniff out this decade are the high priced ones"
This is the nature of free agency.
The only players you’re going to get in free agency are replacement-level guys or guys you overpay, unless you get very very lucky.
Think about the economics of it. Teams evaluate the talent, and most evaluations are about of equal quality – a few teams might be exceptionally bad, a few are exceptionally good, but really, most players are evaluated about the same by most teams.
But there’s going to be some variation, just randomly, among similarly-skilled talent evaluators looking at the same players. Some evaluate him as being worht a little more, some a little less … but who wins?
The guy who’s willing to pay more. Most of the time, the “average” evaluator is probably about right, but the average evaluator doesn’t win. The guy who values him the most wins. That means that the winner of the auction over paid.
Furthermore, teams can lock up their players with long-term deals ahead of free agency. (eg, The Niners will try to lock up Vernon Davis and Patrick Willis before they have the chance to sign with other teams). Since teams should ALWAYS offer potential free agents long-term contracts of the appropriate value, this basically means that the only guys who become free agents are these:
1) Players who expect to get more than their actual value on the free agent market, and/or are willing to take the risk to exploit the market anomaly described above -or
2) Players who have been replaced by a better player on the team they’re leaving.
In other words, if you try to build by free agency, you can either overpay, or you can accept guys who are second-best. Neither of those is a strategy for long-term success.
(Albert Haynesworth is a good example of the first – to get him, you had to overpay. Marvel Smith is a good example of the second: his previous team thought they were better without him).
This is why I believe it is impossible to build a winner through free agency. Smart teams use free agency to fill holes once they already have their core in place – a core they acquired through the draft by developing players. Then you can afford to overpay because it’s a short-term thing: you’re trying to capitalize on your championship window.
I would argue that the 49ers have been better than average at drafting in the last couple of years. Why? Simple. First round picks are as likely to be out of the league in a couple of years as they are to ever make the pro bowl. (Google “Thaler loser’s curse” for an explanation.) While Alex Smith has been a disppointment, none of our first round picks in recent years are out of the league, and it looks like we’ll have two pro-bowlers (Davis and Willis).
That being said, I agree with you that soon it will be time for the Niners to make a splash in free agency. I think we’re one or two more years away. I might even be tempted this year if the right player was available, but I don’t know who that would be.
I don’t think we have 5 glaring holes. Unless you count QB, we have one glaring hole on offense (RT) and another major question mark (LG) although we may be able to fill those two holes with one player, drafting a RT and moving Snyder to LG. Rachal is a smaller question mark, but I think has shown enough growth this season that he should be left in place for another year. QB is of course a question mark, but it’s clear that we’re committed to a certain path with that position for at least another year.
On defense, pass-rushing OLB isn’t a gaping hole. In fact, I’d argue that when you have the #4 defense in the league you probably don’t have any gaping holes on defense, although I think we have a pair of question marks in our secondary and our pass rush could be improved. But our defense isn’t going to be improved by adding league-average-starter players.
(Semantic aside. As I’m using these terms, a gaping hole is a player who needs to be replaced where you can expect better peformance from a first-round pick, a second-round pick by midseason, or a non-star FA signing. A question mark is a player where it’s not clear if the guy you have can do the job, and the position can be upgraded, although it would take a very successful first round pick or a high-priced FA to clearly make a difference right away. This may not be exactly your usage).
Gaping holes: OT, G, WR, S and KR.
I’m not suggesting building the team through free agency I pointing to the fact that the 49ers cannot find 2nd tier players in free agency to fill in the gaps. Good NFL teams can do this, the 49ers for the most part cannot.
In fact when you look at the gaping hole list above you see the 49ers failed in 2009: Marvel Smith (OT), Brandon Jones (WR) and Allen Rossum (KR). The team didn’t add anyone at G or S for the season unless you want to count a 7th round pick at safety.
Where I disagree
I don’t think guard is a gaping hole. I’d like to see an upgrade of Bass. I think Rachal’s improvement will come with experience. I believe Bass’s upgrade is probably already on the roster. RT is a big problem, though. So I agee with you on one.
I don’t think WR is a gaping hole. Morgan needs to do better, but he’s a second year player. His DVOA is pretty low, but I’m comfortable going into next season with him as a starter.
KR is definitely a gaping hole that I forgot about. Special teams matter. My bad.
I disagree with you about safety. Dashon Goldson is not a gaping hole. He’s been steadily improving, he’s a young guy who is just starting to come into his own. Michael Lewis is not an exciting player but he fills his role well. He’s old enough that we may need to start looking ahead to replacing him, but that doesn’t make him a gaping hole.
I list safety as a gaping hole because the 49ers defense continually has 3 of them on the field: Goldson, Lewis and Roman. Unfortunately this unit has a huge disadvantage in speed which has killed the defense the entire season.
My issue with Morgan is he hasn’t arrived as a #2 WR. Lots of teams don’t have a legit #2 but they do have other WR’s that can still make plays as the #3 or #4 WR. I’m not saying replace Morgan, I’m saying find someone else to compliment and help Morgan. The team needs another weapon in the passing game. I’m just not buying Hill or Jones haven’t gotten their chance. They’ve been on the field and haven’t made plays. In the modern NFL, teams need 3 WR weapons to succeed.
"Killed the defense?"
We’re 9th in the league in points, and #4 in defensive DVOA (#2 against the pass).
In that context, I’m not really crazy saying that anything “killed” our defense. If our defense has any problem, it’s that they seem unable to rise to the occasion, but I’m hoping that will come with experience.
I also don’t have any problem with Roman as a nickle DB (which is basically the roll he’s playing). But even if he’s not a great fifth DB, I don’t consider that a priority enough position that I’d call it a gaping hole.
Similarly with third WR – Jason Hill actually leads our WRs in DVOA. I think he’s starting to put the pieces together and has the potential to fill the role you’re talking about. He may not, but that’s more of a “question mark” than a gaping hole. I would be inclined to go into next season with our current receiver group, with the idea of adding a more expensive FA this season. A year from now, when (in theory) we’re closer to true Super Bowl contention, if he hasn’t taken the leap it would make more sense to add a WR.
Questioning our Talent
I find myself wondering who we can “reclaim”, to use bignerd’s word from above. We have seen flashes from some guys, Goldson, Lawson, Haralson, Delanie, Alex Smith…I could go on.
Can we make these guys into regular contributors and if so, how long is it gonna take? Should we be looking deeper at the team needs rather than just addressing the “glaring holes” like O-LIne and Secondary?
Has Vernon turned a BIG corner or not? We’re throwing to him a ton more…isn’t that why he’s so productive this year? There are still the mental errors, the drops, the “giving up” on plays…
I think that next year we have to see some MAJOR progress from some of these guys. Mainly in eliminating the mental errors. If we played clean we could beat just about anyone. You know Singletary is beating this into the guys’ heads. So question is, are these guys capable of practicing what he preaches or not!!!
I disagree with the premise
The only reason to feel like this season was “lost” is if you had unrealistic expectations about how quickly a team could turn around.
I’ve pointed out in the past how many coaches – great, universally recognized at fantastic coaches like Bill Walsh and Bill Belichek – did not improve their teams in their first or even their second season when it came to wins and losses.
It takes time to get all of the players working together efficiently in a new scheme. It takes time for young players to develop physically to hold up to the larger, faster game, and it takes them time to master the technique required in a game where they don’t enjoy the size and strength advantage they had in college.
You call this a lost season? I say that’s absurd. Let’s look at the things that happened this season:
1) Alex Smith showed demonstrated that he’s not a bust of epic proportions.
2) Vernon Davis emerged as one of the most dangerous TEs in the league
3) Chilo Rachal and Kentwan Balmer developed to the point where they are now solid contributors on good defense (Balmer) or a reasonable starter on an ok offense (Rachal).
4) Manny Lawson developed as a pass-rusher and improved his overall level of play (even if he’s not the sack monster some hoped for).
5) Crabtree began to understand the pro game and demonstrate his aptitude for it.
Those are all some positive things – and the simple truth is that those are all things that take time to happen. To expect things like this to happen overnight is unreasonable. Building blocks need to be put in place. This year, our defense improve to the point where it’s clearly capable of being playoff caliber (although, in my mind, they still have a habit of coming up small at key moments). If we can get our offense to merely average, we’re a playoff team.
This is progress. This makes this year successful.
by Ronaldinho on Dec 21, 2009 12:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree,
with Ronaldinho and Tre9er.
This coaching staff (and head Coach) have been outstanding in the area of player development.
And, I am sure you meant to also include Ahmad Brooks.
Even with all the positives
I felt better ending last season on a losing record, but with some momentum. Expectations were set so high for this season. Let us hope for at least an 8-8 record so Singletary can be vindicated a little.
my problem is this.
do any of you see alex smith ever wearing a super bowl ring???
i sure as hell can’t, i mean he could win us games and maybe get us to the playoffs but i just can’t see him taking us to the promise land
IMO
QB is set for a year or two with Alex. Let’s see what he can do if we build even an average offensive line for him. If the Nate Davis project doesn’t pan out we could look to the QB class in 2012 (Notable names: Andrew Luck, Tate Forcier, Matt Barkley)
I want winners! I want people that WANT to win!
just curious do you see alex taking us to a super bowl even within 3 years???
by whitemike1644 on Dec 21, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
No, he might not win us a Super Bowl but the most significant thing over his next one or two years is how he performs given adequate tools on offense. If he doesn’t change, we’ll be looking somewhere else.
Build this team for & around Alex. Then you can’t look for other excuses when he struggles and you can accuse him of not winning that Super bowl.
I want winners! I want people that WANT to win!
I didn't see Eli, Dilfer or Hostetler wearing one either
And yet there they are.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
There are a lot of ways to get a super bowl ring.
Honestly, Whitemike, think about the best half of football you saw Alex Smith play this year.
Before the season started, did you think he was capable of that? Probably not.
Smith has played, for brief stretches, well enough to be an all-pro QB. A half here, a half there.
He’s also played, for stretches, bad enough to be drummed out the league in another season.
Of course, the guy he’s been most of this season is neither of those players. But that’s the thing. If he puts it together, plays as well as he’s shown us he can play for more than a half at a time, he’s not just a super-bowl winning QB. He’s the kind of guy you build multiple-ring teams around.
I don’t expect this, but the whole “I can’t see him wearing a super bowl ring” only speaks to your lack of vision. I mean, you don’t even have to be an above-average QB to win a super bowl, if you’re on the right team, as Trent Dilfer proved.
very true but,
dilfers defense was one of the best defenses EVER. same as eli’s they had a crazy pass rush.
let me rephrase this. i don’t think there will be a sunday where i won’t say “well there is the same old alex” i am tired of that feeling. its almost like watching jay cutler play… he’s really good to some people and others look at him like a waste of an arm because his choices fluctuate soooo much.
no consistency at all. i tell my lil brother all the time, you can play bad sometimes, but you have to be consistently good all the time. a lot of good games and few bad games is what makes someone great. half and half doesn’t cut it.
thats the problem i have and thats the problem i don’t want. coming in on sunday and going ok which alex is going to show up today.
i mean all Qb’s have those games but the stretch in which alex has them and it almost seems like when he throws one int its like a snowball effect and 1 or 2 more are on the way.
if he comes out and has 4 good to 1 bad games i cant handle that. but he has never done that hell he doesn’t have a winning record as a starter yet we want to wait it out and see whats left. we have seen what maybe 2-3 seasons of what he has and none of which has he shown to consistently play well.
fine we cant win every game but i see teams with loses and i see ours and when your int’s out number your td’s in that loss we can see the problem.
blame it on the line all you want i’m sick of hearing about the line green bays line is WAYYYYY worse than ours but their record does not reflect that at all.
if you have no time than you need to make the adjustments and make the reads you got 2 seconds than thats what you got scramble or throw the ball away don’t just throw picks.
by whitemike1644 on Dec 22, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
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