Jets-Bill/Oregon-Oregon State Open Thread
We've got a pair of games going on tonight potentially worth checking out. The Jets-Bills matchup on the NFL Network is a bit intriguing with the Jets sitting at 5-6 and just on the edge of the playoff bubble in the AFC. And if you want to boo Terrell Owens here's your chance.
Possibly more important is the Civil War tonight between Oregon and Oregon State. It's the biggest game in the history of the series because for the first time ever, this matchup will decide who goes to the Rose Bowl: Oregon or Oregon State. Matt Barrows had an interesting post yesterday that included a few players on both sides worth checking out. The players he pointed to include:
Oregon
1. S TJ Ward
2. TE Ed Dickson
3. RB LaGarrette Blount
Oregon State
1. QB Sean Canfield
2. WR James Rodgers
3. DT Stephen Pea
I'm thinking that as we get into bowl season we'll come up with posts of players worth watching in the various bowl games. It will certainly be a worthwhile jump on the draft season.
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Apparently Barrows hasn’t been following Oregon. Blount will not play. If by some strange happening he does, he won’t play much.
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Really, you brought it on yourself by having a handle with an L in it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
oh man do me next!
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
I think his punishment was sufficient
He got suspended for 2/3rds of the season and they showed mercy on him with that. If he has another melt down playing football will be the last of his worries. I could see him literally getting kicked off campus if it happens again.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree completely
The reason why it was such a bad deal is because he kept on going after the initial outburst.
The initial outburst was bad enough to get him suspended. When he went after his own teammates, and then went into the stands that should’ve been enough to get him booted from the team.
It was not to be...
They may still win in OT though.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
Pac-10 championship game
Oregon vs Oregon st is looking like its gonna be good. 10 – 7 OSU after OSU FG.
Gimme 1 round!
Indeed
This game is gonna kick ass.
And on an aside… Whats up with OSU’s helmets coming off constantly? Its not facemasks or helmet to helmet hits. They might need some better chinstraps or something.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
And with T.O...
I never really hated him even after his meltdown that tore up team chemistry. I was pissed that he got Mooch fired but he was a competitive guy who couldn’t deal with his emotions… and… Not to libel the guy… But I’ve always believed his emotional outbursts had to do with steroids. He was a great receiver coming out of college and had great moves but he became a physical beast basically over 1 off-season which he attributed to “not eating after 8 pm.” Then shortly after he became a physical phenomenon all the mental issues began.
I just wish the best to the guy at this point in his career.
Gimme 1 round!
lol
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I know I know
Most people blow off the steroids thing… But he started blowing up during the Balco years and he developed all the crazy emotional issues at the same time. Draw your own conclusions.
I think A LOT of dudes in the NFL are probably on juice. If you think its only the random occasional guy that actually pops hot you’re deluded. Look at how many people in Baseball pissed hot when they did the tests that were never supposed to become public… and there is evidence that whole teams have programs… The old Steelers regime was fueled by roids and they were recently linked to a large HGH dealer though the NFL seems to get these stories out of the mainstream very quick. For instance… The murder of a steroid dealer that was going to name names and provide evidence to the NFL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3427526
Hell, our beloved Panthers franchise had a doctor prescribing roids to multiple players. I don’t blame the guys and generally accept it. We are all amazed by guys that are 275 lbs and run a 4.6 maybe I’m jaded but now I just generally just accept how some of them got that way.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 3, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
A guy blowing up in size is always what gets people started
Players that are accustomed to playing and not having expectations that are high have different attitudes. Then you also have the case of TO, where he gets upset being on a losing team or upset when things don’t go his way. he didn’t have the outbursts when he was a nobody, but he has always been a gym rat. So every buff guy with an attitude playing in a physical sport is using? Probably everyone but QB’s huh? Balco investigations yadda yadda yadda. He still can play at a high level so he must still be on steroids? he did play with the MOST conditioned athlete in NFL history not to mention that player played an extremely long career(Rice). SO if TO was smart enough to blend a heavy lift program with what he learned from Jerry, that wouldn’t make the steriods an assumption? I know players use, but an attitude and being ripped isn’t enough to claim a guy is on juice. He’s 35 and still huge, so I guess he knew his tests were coming each and every time and was able to hide it or carry someone elses urine. I seen a Cowboy player blow up on the sideline, hey everyone drop him and get the truth out of him. Just because there have been positive testing amongst teams and players, does not make your assumption any more realistic, the possibility is there for the whole league.
As far as guys weighing 275 lbs, running a 4.6 40, there is a thing called genetics and unfortunately Afican American athletes are bigger stronger and faster by nature. i went to school with guys that weighed 230 and ran 40’s in the 4.4 as sophmores in highschool and steroids weren’t the case. Both his parents are on the wall of fame at the school with track and football records.
It is appauling that a players size and ability would lead you to that assumption, and it pretty much is aimed at african american athletes since they are the only ones at that size and running at that speed. maybe the super slave breeding has evolved into stronger and faster athletes?
http://us-civil-war.suite101.com/article.cfm/slave_breeding_in_the_antebellum_south
Now that is another assumption that slave breeding has lead genetics to be altered in some athletes. It’s an assumption, however, why do the best athletes come from the South? Who’s to say, but we all know that the BEST physical athletes are flooded in Southern states. There are still athletes in the north but the fastest with size are majority down south.
Then you also have the case of over population which leads to
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/585402
Majority of the cases I have heard were in heavy populated areas, so when you go to big cities where population is high and the food supply is low animals are shot with steroids to have quick growth and so they seller can keep up with the consumer. In that instance the steroids used to make these animals bigger (usually cows w/ hormone boost) can result in humans hormones production at an accelerated rate. That’s why when you visit these large cities where food and money are scarce you will be accustomed to seeing 11 year old boys with a full grrown beard and 11 year old girls that have physical shapes of grown woman. There are a lot of factors that could lead to athletes having large sizes with tremendous speed when compared to the norm, but there are other ways that this can be a result besides steroids. To assume that players like LeBron or a DeMarcus Ware are on steroids due to size and athletic ability is either a case of jealousy or narrow mindedness. I just thing everything needs to be considered before you go hollering juice.
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
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Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!
Yes yes very nice
Barry Bonds. Nuf said
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 4, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Also
Are the best sprinters generally black? Yes… Are the best swimmers generally white? Yes… Are the true freaks of nature generally the standout athletes, (Usain Bolt), and just genetically superior? Yes, often they are. Is that the case all the time? HELL NO. There are a billion ways to beat the drug programs. You can be hotter than a red coal and still pass. The way cyclists would beat EPO tests is to have the stars that were hot be the last on the team taking the test and they would flood their body with fluids via IV to dilute their hematocrit levels back to levels within the norm. T.O. might have never been supplementing etc… But when lifelong athletes change over night something is amiss – Bonds, Barry… Oh, and just on an aside, T.O and numerous other athletes attend a completely unaccredited snake oil healer in Atlanta who got busted for injecting people in the ass….
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 4, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Are the best sprinters generally black? Yes… Are the best swimmers generally white?
This kind of thing actually has a lot less to do with genetics and a lot more to do with economic means and cultural standards.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
And opportunities for development in the sport
You don’t have many swim teams in African American neighborhoods (though there’s an excellent sports movie that deals with a winning African American swim team called Pride. I highly recommend it.)
Likewise you don’t have many soccer teams and baseball teams either.
Now you are talking about lifelpong athletes? Please stay the course!!
I don’t blame the guys and generally accept it. We are all amazed by guys that are 275 lbs and run a 4.6 maybe I’m jaded but now I just generally just accept how some of them got that way
Are you referring now to guys who are coming out of college? Because what you are saying isn’t happening where a guy is mediocre and breaks out in one season and is 275lbs and running a 4.6 40. It sounds as though you are referring to athletes coming into the NFL vs players that have been in place, I thought that’s what you were saying and that’s wy the comment went where it did. But if TO was doping wouldn’t he be the same uncontrolable individual you are talking about? I thought TO did more damage in interviews than on the sideline. Is TO the only player doing that? Since we know he isn’t how many of those players known for going nuts on the sideline were not the physical speciman that TO is? If you want to talk about To visiting the snake oil but sticker than at least post a link.
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Ignorance is truly bliss!!
Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!
Heres your link
http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/01/doctor_who_trea.html
The part about him injecting a dude in the butt is at the bottom
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 5, 2009 5:10 AM PST up reply actions
here's the original article
the other was the quick and dirty version
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2742687
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 5, 2009 5:13 AM PST up reply actions
So Takeo Spikes is juicing too?
So all the players that see this guy are juicing?
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
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Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!
Yeah yeah nuf said as in what?
Athletes ability have nothing to do with genetics. You are proving to be in your own class more and moe every day!
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Ignorance is truly bliss!!
Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!
So... Bonds and TO aren't both lifelong athletes?
Bond’s doesn’t have good genetics? I bet you think Barry is clean too. Maybe you’re his “nutritionist.”
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 5, 2009 5:08 AM PST up reply actions
Barry wasn't clean IMO
Maybe his last season but not those in question
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Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!
You weren't only referring to life long athletes
It’s apparent the 275 lbs and 4.6 40’s is referring to college players, players in the NFL hardly run the 40 after the combine.
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Guys that are natural freaks coming up all the way from childhood I don't doubt
Guys that transform over an off season or after going pro I do
Nobody doubted this guy either which was ridiculous.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 5, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Completely disagree
Owens was something like 6’3" 205lbs when he was drafted.
Right now his playing weight is 224 and he’s 35 years old. Putting on 20lbs isn’t extremely difficult when you’re a gymn rat like Owens is.
He’s always been an emotional guy too. Look at his reaction after The Catch II—he was in tears on the sideline. BTW, he has the chance to have another 1000 yard season. He has 690 yards right now with 5 games left on the season. Pretty impressive, all things considered.
Come on Bills we need a Bills win here
"CHILD PLEASE"......................-E. Ochocinco
Ignorance is truly bliss!!
Nolan, that (site decroum) is gonna beat us to Berry!!
I like Sean Canfield a lot as a late round developmental type
It doesn’t seem like he has much of an arm though.
He reminds me of Phil Rivers to be honest. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
He’s probably neither of those. Nice thoughts, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
It was an inside joke
Me and Drew had a bit of a heated debate because Drew compared Ryan Mallett to Rivers, and I thought that was a really bad comparison.
by Brendan Scolari on Dec 3, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Aw man, I hate being on the outside of these things.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 3, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Quizz Rodgers
Thoughts on that guy? He’s smallish, but looks like he could fill-out into the ‘jones-drew’ mold- short back, quick feet, tree trunk legs. I was pretty impressed with his ability to switch fields.
Rodgers or James
I’d love either as a change of pace for Gore / eventual replacement. However neither are draft eligible this season.
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