Jimmy Raye Approval Rating, Week 16
by David Fucillo on Dec 30, 2009 11:00 AM PST
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Jimmy Raye managed to stay just a shade above 50% last week, with 51% of folks approving (in some capacity) of the job he has done. The team's offense was less than inspiring, but once again we have to ask ourselves how much of that was play-calling and how much of that was execution?
We've had a lot of draft talk, but I wanted to combine that with Jimmy Raye discussion on a rather broad level. If you were Jimmy Raye, and McCloughan and Singletary asked you what positions you'd specifically like addressed, what would your response be. This is not a question of players, because given how busy you are as OC, you probably haven't watched a ton of college football, and thus don't know all the big names at many of the positions. Rather, it's a question of simply filling positional holes, and letting football ops figure out the specific guys.
Additionally, if you're Jimmy Raye, which positions would you rather fill with veterans (thus, through free agency) versus youth through the draft? Try and get as specific as possible. For example, "Joe Staley is fine at LT, but we'll need a right tackle through free agency to complement him." Or, "Joe Staley is not the best long term option at LT, so I'd prefer to move him to RT and find a long term answer at LT via the draft." And if you decide to make an addition at offensive line, do you also think a player or two or three needs to be axed?
In developing your list of positional needs, rank them in order of preference. There are only a certain number of roster spots, a certain number of draft picks, and a certain amount of cash to be spent, so you might not get all your needs/wants answered. You can include as many positions as you want, but try and order them by importance.
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More Gore please...
What was up with benching Gore for a portion of that game?! Then put him back in, and hmm, he won the game for us. Wow, amazing how that worked out. Hopefully we get a new coordinator along with a decent QB and O-line next year.
Perhaps they don't want to wear Gore out
He still had 28 carries plus some receptions. I think they’d rather not shorten his career, especially with games in a non-playoff season.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
thought he asked to come off
and then they gave him some rest
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
And if they get all that, how long do you think it will take for the Niners to get back to the playoffs?
A LOT longer than you think! Why do you think it’s taken this long to begin with? Save your wishes for the end of next season and at that point they might be a lot more valid.
Almost there...
We were on the cusp of the playoffs this year and if Alex Smith didn’t throw away a few games we would be there. So, technically, I guess all we need is a better QB.
There are better spread option coach's out there.
But that is not what we need, I’d take Mike Johnson on our own squad.
We need to address safety pos. w/ OJ Atagwe
Then we use draft to fix OLine
What specific OL pos is bad?… Sry, I just know that its bad, don’t know where
AH! don't fumble!!
LG, RT, RG
pretty much in that order
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
RT, LG, then RG
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 30, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Point
I think the Niners are better off addressing the DB issues through free agency as you’ve said. However, if they can get an Eric Berry or a Javier Arenas through the draft I would not be disappointed as it’s not certain that ‘Dre Bly will be back next year and he’s pretty much in the back end of his career. Plus Javier Arenas apparently has apparently put up record breaking numbers as a PR. I think that works ideally with Sing’s plans.
Possible Upgrades:
As I have stated in most of my fan posts, I am not sold on the QB position yet. However maybe 2 years with the same O-Coordinator will help out Smith. Plus he will be able to get in a full training camp with Crabtree, so I am not going to worry about the QB position right now. Here are the most important things I think the 49ers should focus on in the off season:
1. Lol-Line: The 49ers line has given up 37 sacks to date which is 23rd in the NFL. That is more then the Saints and Patriots combined. They have also had 78 QB hits, which is 19th in the NFL and the 49ers have rushed for 1,475 yards, which is 25th in the NFL. I can’t find any specific details on any of the players but I would say on a whole the line needs to be revamped. Staley has always been a constant, and so has Heitmann. I haven’t really been sold on Rachal though. I would bring in a veteran Guard, and draft a stud Tackle.
2. Secondary: Opposing teams have run 988 plays against the 49ers, the 4th most in the league. I don’t know if that reflects more on the offense the defense, but it is still a concern. Opposing teams have only converted 39% of their 3rd downs against the 49ers. But opposing teams are averaging 243 passing yards a game against the 49ers. That is 25th in the NFL. I think Dre Bly has done great this season, and I would like to see him back. I don’t know if Harris is going to be re-signed, and I don’t know about Clements either. Maybe if he takes a pay cut. But I would like one of our first round picks to go here. Either Mays, Berry or Haden. I know that we will be able to get one of those three with our picks
3. Kick/Punt Return: Morgan has been doing really well at kick returning averaging about 30 yards a return. While there is still room for improvement I think we need to focus on punt returning. Only Nate Clements has averaged more then 3 yards on punts returns this season, but having him return punts would be like buying a Ferrari to deliver pizzas. The last thing we want is for him to get hurt… oh wait. I think the best thing would be picking up Reggie Bush in the off season if the Saints drop him. He would also give us the out side speed that Gore and Coffee don’t have. A lot of people have been talking about CJ Spiller, but I don’t know if he will be around as he is rated the number 1 RB in the draft class.
4. RE: I don’t think we have had constant pressure from the RE all season. I know that in a 3-4 defense the sacks normally come from the line backers, but it still seems like some pressure would be nice. I was hoping that when the Panthers wanted our 2nd round pick that we would get Peppers, but oh well. I would still think Peppers would help us out on the D-Line. Or maybe having Lawson move up to that spot since he has the size and speed.
What do you guys think?
few things
1. that’s the biggest need and I think we’ll all disown the 9ers if they don’t seriously address it. I think 2 Tackles and 2 Guards would be nice, for depth.
2. Haden is the best CB in the draft, maybe, but isn’t worth where they’re projecting him IMO. I wouldn’t take him early in the first. Mays is an unknown. Athletic freak, needs lots of honing…possibly a SS at the next level…depends on how his coverage progresses in camp. I wont mention Berry because I honestly don’t think this team will go after him since it would involve trading up.
3. Singletary said in his last press conference that they would be addressing this in the off-season. Look for them to draft or go for someone in free agency. He doesn’t like using starters or key players to do these returns either.
4. I think you mean LE. Justin Smith plays RE and gets up-field more than anyone else in the base 3-4. I agree that Sopoaga while a good run-stopper and gap plugger doesn’t get much push up the field. Another Smith-esque LE would help and “Soap” isn’t getting any younger.
Here’s a thought: doubt it will happen, not recommending it either but…if they let Franklin go…Soap can play NT and that opens door for a more athletic LE. Just a thought, not saying I like it…but stranger things have happened.
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
Smith is great in base and nickle,
but just to be clear, Soap (and Franklin) only play in base, not in passing situations, so there are much fewer chances for Soap to “pressure”. (On passing downs the line is usually Haralson, McDonald, Smith and Brooks. Except for Smith they are all about 25 years old and improving.)
I would be interested if anyone knows the stats on sacks and pressures per pass-play down for Soap and I wonder how small the sample is.
If I'm Jimmy
I want an upgrade at RT and do not care if it’s via draft or FA. I also want to see more of Miller in the off-season to see if he can take over for Norris at FB. Perhaps a blocking TE for short yardage though that’s lower priority. I would also like an upgrade at LG via the draft who would compete with Bass when his ankles are healthy. Best man starts but if Bass struggles, the young player with upside takes over.
Finally, I would work with Mike Johnson on running the ball out of spread formations, spend a weekend with Norv Turner on disguising plays via formation and have lunch with Martz to ask his opinion on how best to utilize Jason Hill at WR.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Brandon Jones
aging high-priced WR…find a way to get him invovled in a big way or get rid of the guy!
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
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"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
Here's my dream plan.
Make a huge push for LT Marcus McNeill from the Chargers simply because the talent at the top of the draft is not that great. Second If Franklin doesn’t want to stay here fine let him walk get Vince Wilfork who is a three down player instead of Franklin’s 2 downs. During the draft trade Clements (hopefully) for a second round pick.
Draft 1a. Joe Haden CB Florida 1b CJ Spiller 2a Carlos Dunlap OLB 2b. Mike Iupati G
Seriously?
Your solution to everything trading and drafting overrated players.
What you just suggested would set the team back for years to come and would make the team worse than it was this season.
M. McNeill isn’t going anywhere, he is SD’s best O-lineman.
Franklin can be retained with a franchise tag and it makes absolutely no sense to let him walk and destroy team chemistry by bringing in Wilfork (who will demand Albert Hanyesworth money).
Clemments is worth more than a 2nd round pick (and no one will trade for him with his current contract) and is a better option over Joe Haden.
CJ Spiller does not fill any needs. Carlos Dunlap is a lazy and overrated prospect. and there is no chance that Mike Iupati lasts past the 35th or so pick.
Daniel Snyder is that you?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 30, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Yes Seriously.
First off McNeill being SD’ best lineman doesn’t mean he is going nowhere many teams "best players leave every year to free agency.
Franklin is a bum in a contract year. He “miraculously” gets it after 4 years I doubt it and Vince is a far superior player who can play all 3 downs instead of Franklins 2 (another reason he’ll never get anywhere near the pro-bowl. Also Patriot are notorious for not paying their defensive superstars.
Don’t know if you noticed but Clement’s got bumped by Spencer as our best CB BEFORE he was injured. We would be lucky to receive 2nd rounder for him since he would be better served by us at free safety which he doesn’t want to play. Haden is faster and younger Clements who only does one thing consistently, get burned.
With the CJ Spiller comment I’m really starting to think you don’t even watch this team. Have you noticed our punt/kick off returners? Neither should be back there Battle sucks and Morgan is our starting WR, we need a returner. Second off it’s been two years since Gore has played a full season and who in his stead has played well? That’s right no one.
Lastly as I stated in the title it was a DREAM plan, but since our draft picks keep sliding do to winning by us and Carolina we will be freed up much more for free agency moves.
McNeill being SD’s best O-lineman means that they’ll do everything possible to retain him.
The Charger’s GM is one of the best in the NFL.
Franklin is a bum in a contract year.
You just lost all credibility here.
Aubrayo Franklin has been playing well ever since Nolan left and he started “1-gapping” instead of “2-gapping”
He played at a great level this season (and half of last season too) and he’s the biggest reason the 49ers have been amazing when it comes to stopping runs up the middle.
I won’t disagree that Wilfork is much better than Franklin, but he’s definitely not worth Albert Hanyesworth money (Fat Al isn’t worth Fat Al money).
Let an east coast team waste $100 million on him.
I’m aware of the fact that Clemments was outperformed by Spencer, but the reason teams won’t trade for him is because of his contract situation.
He’ll be either be cut or have his deal re-structured (unless the 49ers want to pay him like a No.1 CB)
Just because Haden is faster (he’s not that fast, really) and younger doesn’t mean he’s better.
Haden got burned very badly by some of the premier college WRs this season and his biggest problem is that he is terrible at reading WRs at the LOS.
(Haden has been discussed in the Official offseason post various times and most of us agree that while he may be the best CB available in the draft, he’s still not that good).
Yeah lets fill the KR/PR need with a 1st round pick.
Lets pay the KR/PR MORE money than Morgan/Battle.
It’s foolish to draft a guy like J. Arenas or M. Giliyard in the middle rounds to fill the same need for less right?
It’s definitely not the “dream” plan and would make the team worse.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 31, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
What has Battle done in returns?
Good thing Gilyard had a great day while Dunlap sucked it up to bolster your argument. Oh wait.
Gilyard is doing fine
Dunlap has really bolstered my argument.
He gets a sack and then disappears for like 5 series.
His motor is weak and he’s really not doing anything right now.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Jan 1, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
As to Dunlap and Iupati.
Scott has already gone on record as to what he would like from an OLB size/speed wise and who better to motivate than Sing. No one knows how far players will fall come draft day and not many teams outside from the Steelers will draft an OG in the first.
Dunlap has a HORRIBLE first step
Kind of like the opposite of Ahmad Brooks.
He can’t get off blocks and he’ll be ineffective in the 49ers 3-4 scheme.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 31, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
"I picked Tim..."
“At that spot because he was the best player available due to his size, speed, and athleticism…”
Sincerely,
ScotM.
Well, we're waiting....
“Highest rated player left on our board. We identified 19 1st round picks in this draft and we just felt lucky he dropped down to us. He’s a football player.”
Ok you guys are sounding really scary right now
What do you think the bounty would be on McCloughan’s head the next day if he really did that?
If he hadn’t already tethered his job to Alex Smith I would say the odds of him picking Tebow would have been 50/50 because he is too in love with the BPA philosophy.
I joke about it because I don’t expect him to address the teams biggest needs in the draft, it’s just not his style no matter how poor his offensive line. He’s going to draft the BPA as he sees it and than try to fill in the roster holes starting the 2nd or 3rd round. I just hope he can fill in one need via free agency before the draft instead of his utter failure he produced last off season.
I actually found Singletary’s comment about the offensive line issues in his press conference fascinating. I thought it was a shot across the bow at his GM letting him know he asked for some groceries last season and he didn’t deliver.
Yeah because a 2nd round pick is much more valuable than a 1st rounder
How’s Everette Brown doing?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 30, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand
What does Ndamukong Suh have to do with McCloughan trading a 2nd and 4th for a 1st?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 31, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
1.) Offensive line number one… Our line is just terrible… terrible…
2.) Defensive backfield… our run defense is great, but our pass defense is pretty bad…
3.) OLB… We haven’t got many sacks from our OLB’s this year, and it has been dissapointing…
4.) NT… If and only if Franklin doesn’t resign…
5.) WR/KR… We need a player like Desean Jackson… Someone who can stretch the field vertically, and also who can return punts…
1.) Agreed for the most part. They’ve gotten better in the past five weeks. They actually lead the NFC in sacks allowed for that period of time. Might have a bit to do with the change in offensive scheme.
2.) They could use another CB and possibly SS because of age issues. They give up long balls on occassion, but what I see in the end is the scoreboard, and last time I checked the defense is 6th in the NFL in points allowed.
3.) Maybe, but I don’t think it calls for bringing in anybody. They’re no Derrick Thomas or Charles Haley, but When your OLB’s account for almost 50% (44.4% to be exact) of your teams sacks, I think you can’t ask for much more.
4.) I hope they re-sign Aubrayo
5.) Would be helpful, but without a good OL that becomes almost a moot point when there’s not much time to throw the long ball. I think with better chemistry Crabs can become that type of receiver with Alex. And Morgan showed flashes of it last season. Ironically the player that I feel could have done both is J Hill, although he hasn’t lived up to it. Don’t know who to blame for that!
positions
Just a heads-up that I ask the same question in tomorrow’s Greg Manusky rating, just for defensive positions.
Other than O-line...
I think a really fast WR is probably on Rayes wish list.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
Joe Staley
Is Staley a good LT? It seems like every time we talk about the OL, we say “Heitmann and Staley are the only good linemen on the team.” But I’m not sure if it’s more hype than reality.
Sims has come in and filled in really well at LT in Joe’s absence, and I’m not sure if Staley were better at the RT. (At least, it would get rid of Snyder as a starter!)
This is probably a bad idea, though, given that Sims has knee problems along with age, and the draft doesn’t seem so good with OT’s.
It's really not hype
Did you watch Staley early this season?
He’s VERY good.
Heitman is definitely the best O-lineman on the team but he may not be well recognized because the two guys next to him are terrible.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 31, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Here's my opinion for the offense
Every 9er fan knows the line needs to be addressed, thats a given. Here’s how I would prioritize the offense:
1) Get at least one veteran OL at either LG, RT, or RG via FA.
2) Get at least one OL in the draft.
3) QB Alex Smith is ok, but not the long term answer for us. Drop QB Sean Hill, keep Davis as either the number 2 or 3 to possibly challenge Smith for the starting job next year. But draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft and let him sit and watch at least a year so he can be our long term answer at QB.
4) If the Saints drop Reggie Bush, PICK HIM UP! we could use a two headed running attack with receiving options, plus the two different styles would make it harder for defenses on any given run play. If the Saints dont drop him, try to pick another veteran RB that has a similar running style to his.
5) I dont know about anyone else, but I think the 9ers dont even need WR Brandon Jones, he’s way over priced and does nothing for us in the return game and even less in the receiving game. If the 9ers dont plan on getting him into the mix more next season so he can earn his keep, they need to get rid of him fast and get someone in the draft in one of the later rounds.
6) Keep Simms on the team for depth in the OL, when he’s healthy he’s filled in really well for injured starters.
7) Get rid of WR Arnez Battle, he’s just taking up space on the roster as far as I’m concerned. Find someone better through FA, there’s going to be some decent WR’s in FA this year.
8) Finally, lets get some better positional coaches. I’m dreaming I know, but it would be so AWESOME to have Crabs learning from Jerry Rice! And the future QB (that we get through the draft) learning from either Steve Young or Joe Montana.
Thats how I would do it anyway….thoughts?
by 49ersfanFURlife on Dec 30, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions
The biggest key to our success is to be patient, which I think a lot of 49er fans have trouble with (including myself sometimes). We need to be thinking long term…..can we make the playoffs next year? I think we can, but will we make it to the Super Bowl and be able to win it? Thats another question, and personally I would rather have the 49ers not make the Super Bowl then for them to get there and lose, and tarnish our perfect Super Bowl record (5 for 5).
Another thing is that this team needs to be agressive when it comes to getting these players through FA and I think baby York is the one to do since he claims to want to bring our team back to Super Bowl promenance.
by 49ersfanFURlife on Dec 30, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
1. I’m ok with this
2. Absolutely
3. Absolutely not. No way should we waste a first round pick on a QB this year when we don’t know if it’s the QB, the line, the offensive system or all three.
4. No. Bush will want too much money to be a backup/change of pace back.
5. Jones is under contract for about $2.5 million a year.
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. I don’t know that Rice, Young, or Montana would make good positional coaches. Just because you know how to play the game doesn’t mean you can teach others. Besides Steve Young has the broadcast gig, Montana stays at home doing needle point, and Rice spends his time criticizing the current team. But yes we need better positional coaches especially offensive line coaches.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Remeber, I said 1st or 2nd and that I think he should sit at least the first year to find out for sure what the biggest problem is with the effectiveness of the offense. Keep in mind we want a real QB for the future, Smith is just the best we have right now, but he’s not the best.
If you want to be good, your going to have to pay the money for it, its that simple, the 49er organization was GREAT when it paid for great players, and we have struggeled ever since. Granted we were hurting for many years because of the cap, but now that everything is in place as far as the rules and such, theres no reason we cant spend mon ey to get great players. We would just have to be smart about it.
$2.5 Million is a lot of oney for someone who only gets on average 3 yards a return and barely gets the ball in the passing game. If we’re not going to use him to make it worth keeping him, then they need to get rid of him, its to much money for no production.
by 49ersfanFURlife on Dec 31, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
+1
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 31, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
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