Seahawks 20 - 49ers 17: Sometimes I hate this game
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 4:25 PM PST
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PrintThere are no words right now. It's been a long time since I've been this disappointed in a 49ers performance. Site decorum is not in effect for this recap thread. Please don't throw out a bunch of FanPosts complaining about the team right now as I will be quick to delete unnecessary FanPosts. Please use this thread to let out your anger.
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I fucking swear it’s like Alex Smith and Patrick Willis were the only fucking Niners who were actually fucking trying.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Agreed. 9 drops? Really??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
That's about right
Gore doesn’t play hard anymore, VD has been afflicted with the dropsies. Delanie Walker gave up a fucking TD
Fucking hell I’m so pissed right now. At least Alex got his first 300 yard game and didn’t throw any INTs.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Walker lost that TD
Because he was getting molested by a DB as the officials watched.
Seriously, awful officiating
Oh I agree
but it was still in his hands. He’s got to come down with it if it’s in his hands.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I swear that official must’ve been intimidated by the crowd, because he was standing right next to the play, and therefore had to have seen the DB pull Walker backwards. I mean, his fuckin shoulders twisted! That official must’ve been new and intimidated by the crowd… It is the only explanation I can come up with.
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
Cain is able... Keane is able
Pass and Run
Last time we ran and kicked but. This time we passed and lost our ass. Can’t we do both? 1 first down just don’t cut it. Run, pass, pass. or Pass, pass, run. or Run, pass, run. The team is one sided. They knew we were going to pass all night. We have one of the best running backs in the league and we just don’t use him. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING? If me as a fan can see what is going on, How come the Coaches can’t?
Let's all remember Smith threw two game winning TD passes
that both got dropped
can we stop the blame Alex game once and for all?
Jimmy Raye. Execution on the field matters, but the guy in charge of the offense is the one to blame for the cumulative suckage.
by positiveuphemism on Dec 6, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Ummmm 5 sacks?
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Okay San Fran got 5 sacks not Seattle
eek that’s embarassing lol.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
Not today but they will be back out with one bad game
it really does need to stop
he’s the guy … period
Totally agree
He got screwed over against Jacksonville too, only the Jaguars are a horrible team.
You can’t put this one on the line either—they did a good job fo rhim.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
i hate it. i hate this right now
i dont feel like going on with the rest of this mother fucking day. FUCK.
Wow, somebody defending Smith
Never thought I’d see the day
yes
This is a single exception given the ending of this game.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
however
Obviously I’d prefer people articulate themselves beyond that, but I understand the feeling at this point.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
the defense
the defense as good as it has been at certain points, it never gets big stops late in games. against green bay, against indy, against houston, against tennessee. defense always chokes in big moments. and our corners fuckin suck
Mostly true...
But they did get what could’ve been a big stop on the next-to-last Seattle possession. With some decent play-calling from Raye, it’s conceivable the Niners could’ve driven for a winning FG. Instead, Raye dials up a deep pass on 3rd and 3, when what the Niners really needed was a first down to keep the clock running and to keep the ball away from Seattle.
Next came poor special teams coverage on the ensuing punt, and then, inevitably, the coverage breakdown on the deep pass to Butler, capped off with the game-ending FG.
Just another fairly typical week of Niners football.
Seasons will pass you by. I get up, I get down.
Totally bizarre playcalling all around by both teams.
Came down to a couple of close plays.
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
Damn
I swear to god rite now i hate gore
by swagger on Dec 6, 2009 4:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions
hate gore…never…our offense does do much better in the “spread” with Alex smith. But gore was getting 20-25 carried a game and the past two game he’s had less than 15..he’s our playmaker, he can’t produce if he don’t get the rock…agreed that fumble came at a crucial moment..so did the drop by Davis in endzone ..by walker in the endzone (the no PI call) and other dropped passes. our secondary needs to he improved next year..all in all this game hurt!
by Living49rLegend on Dec 6, 2009 5:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
not to mention
fucking Morgan completely gave up on the route. If he keeps running and the DB runs into him maybe he gets a PI.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
ALEX SMITH WASNT THE ONLY ONE OUT THERE
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
Serious
You’re gonna fucking put this on Alex Smith?
9 fucking dropped balls, 2 of them for TDs
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
i'm not
i’m putting it on the team
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
Aren't you suppose to be ignoring my posts?
Anything you say from here on out
Will be ignored by anyone with a brain. What you said is that stupid.
Remember that?
I have a disease
I have to tell stupid people they are stupid.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
You're favorite player is Brandon Lloyd. Obviusly you are a complete moron
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son
by lincecuminyourface on Dec 6, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
*obviously
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son
by lincecuminyourface on Dec 6, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget them aligator hands by crabtree in the endzone also..he covered himself instead of reaching for the ball
by Living49rLegend on Dec 6, 2009 5:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He looked at the safety as he came out of his break
and as he turned to look for the ball it went right by the top of his helmet. He went to make a play on it, (that’s why it looked like he was covering himself), but there is no human way he could have reacted that fast when he didn’t expect the ball to be there. The pass was in a 2 foot by 2 foot box where he could catch it and it couldn’t be intercepted or deflected but Crabs being a rookie wasn’t ready for it there. Nobody’s and everybody’s fault.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
WOW 2 PLAYS
frank gore didnt do a fuckin thing this game. FRANK GORE LOST US THIS GAME
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
I don't blame Gore
He rushes what? 6 times? When he ran for 200 yds last time. Needed some running plays…
We've had success against the Seahawks using the smashmouth offense
I’m not saying we should have ran the ball 60% of the time this game but maybe give Gore 15 carries?
3rd&1
4th&1
Both PA passes at the goaline?
The offensive line i dont think got a push on the run game at all, might as well go with the the part of your game that’s working
Agreed
Not sure if you picked up my sarcasm, or if I missed your agreement with me.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Because that's a relevant stat
If you don’t understand why, there’s no hope.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
thats alex smiths fault?
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
That 2nd down pass went right through Hill's hands.
Drop.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
I don't think so..
My stream was laggy, but I heard the announcer say that Smith missed an open Hill
Watch a replay...
I think they sent 7 guys on that one. He missed it because the O-Line was overwhelmed.
are you serious
you can’t be serious
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Anything you say from here on out
Will be ignored by anyone with a brain. What you said is that stupid.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
I agree Supra
That’s the summary pretty much. Alex failed when it mattered.
Jason Hill supporter 'til the end
not entirely
He did get the team in field goal position to tie it.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
not to mention
throwing 2 passes into the end zone that were dropped.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Yeah
Any Alex Smith hatred for this game is fucking retarded.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 6, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's leading us to the win and Gore's fumble equals his failure?
Not sure how that equates in your mind.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
The NFL should fire
Every single official from this game, the Seahawks did not beat the 49ers, the refs did. Bogus penalties all game long.
Yes, Gore did fuck us up...
…but the officials fucked us up all day, beginning from that would-be PI call against (I think it was Leroy) Hill against Delanie Walker. Then on the next play, when Jones was tackled in the end zone, it was not called a safety…FUCK THE OFFICIALS
Jason Hill supporter 'til the end
It was gore that fucked us
That fumble was the game.
Well fuck the world. Here’s to 9-7 this year and playoffs next year. At least we got a legit qb now lol. Fucking Bullshit
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
fumble
and another stupid fumble by arnaz battle. same as the texans game
And to think....
I thought we might have a chance against Philly. Now I’m even afraid of Detroit and St. Louis
I am vacilating between mocking and empathizing.
Since I’m sick and don’t feel well, I’ll go the empathy route.
Bottom line, both our teams suck. You told us earlier in the year and we didn’t (want) to believe you. The same goes today. Two mediocre football teams just met in a mediocre game.
Good luck with the rest of the year, but more particularly, good luck with the offseason— it’s where the Niners and Hawks will move toward the goal of recapturing the division from those Cards.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
This was a WTF game!
Seriously!
- Vernon Davis had the dropsies
- Morgan had the dropsies
- Walker had the dropsies
- Crabtree had the dropsies
- Frank Gore fumbled
- Some idiot called a reverse on a punt return
- Arnaz Battle, that needs no explanation
It’s like Alex Smith was the only one trying. I think Smith played a great game. I think Jimmy Raye called a pretty good game. BUT YOU HAVE TO CATCH THE FUCKING BALL!
And someone needs to fire those damn referees. My grandfather would have done a better job calling that game and HE’S DEAD.
I think there were a few instances in this game where Raye really failed massively. For one, that stupid last offensive play the Niners had when they only needed 3 yards to get to OT.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Agree...
But if he had run in that situation everyone would criticize him for being way to conservative and if it had worked, he would have been a genius. It’s almost like Jimmy Raye can’t win.
yeah but you gotta call a play with a sure completion to burn time.
by starshptroopr on Dec 6, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
not just to burn time
Why run all go’s on 3rd and 3? Give the QB one deep option, 2 mid options and 2 short options. One of them will be open, you don’t need the big strike there.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Good Question...
You get the feeling that Jimmy Raye has been, essentially, writing a new playbook over the past 3 weeks and introducing the spread to the 49ers offense. Installing a new offense on the fly in the middle of the season is usually a recipe for a disaster, but it seems to be taking.
Things I want
I want the 9ers coaching staff to understand situational play calling. I understand they were criticized for being too conservative and running it too much. However, on 3rd and 3 with the ball inside your own 30 and less than a minute remaining, throwing a 30 yard pass is STUPID. You dont have to run between the tackles, but call a play that gives us a chance at a first down. It is elementary shit that there is really NO EXCUSE FOR.
They did the same thing on the previous drive after VD dropped the fucking pass. On 3rd down, instead of going for a fresh set of downs, they ran deep routes and Smith threw into double coverage.
I wont even get into Singletary’s absolute atrocious game management skills
Fucking shameful
I honestly blame Singletary. He has no setting between passive and aggressive. The punt, reverse horseshit? Stupid. Not realizing field position at the end of the game? Horseshit. What a frustrating game. The worst part about it, is I’m hoping the Cards win tonight so I don’t feel like we missed an opportunity. Thanks Niners.
Smith, Crabtree, and VD look like a nice core of skill players though.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Dec 6, 2009 4:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
His always criticized for being conservative
Anyone who has can’t go after him for being the opposite.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
No
You play conservative or not. In a game you have n approach to take chances or be conservative and stick to it. You don’t change unless the score dictates. So any fan that complained about conservative coaching has to accept that this can happen when you don’t play it safe. Those who had no problem with that approach have a right to gripe.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
You adjust and alter your strategy when the situation calls for it. Calling for a reverse on a punt deep in your own territory is dumb. Sometimes you play conservative, sometimes you play aggressive.
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
Cain is able... Keane is able
I didn't like that call at all
And that’s without hindsight. Yet they’ve done that play successfully the past few seasons tho usually with Clements. I’d write off our punt return as being capable as giving us anything but again, as much as I hate the call, the coaches are being aggressive and trying to make 7-0 become 14-0 over a team that they know we can defend. If it works people would be praising the aggressive nature, even tho I’d still hate the call.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
He was criticized for being stupid, which was personified in his conservative play calling. Same thing now. There are a ton of things I love about Singletary, but his game management is not one of them.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Poor coaching...
In the first quarter cost the 49ers this game, as well as a shot at the playoffs.
Well, we're waiting....
I think poor coaching caught up to the team in those last 50 seconds, as well.
How do you have the ball with 50 seconds to go, and leave enough time for the opposing team to kick a FG?
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
exactly. This is intolerable. The worst Raye has done to this team all year.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Dropped passes
shouldn’t go on Raye. That was all about execution on the Niner’s last drive and our receivers didn’t make the catches.
by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
those were terrible play calls.
youve got 2nd and 3 and two timeouts… RUN THE DAMNED BALL for the the 1st down. If you don’t get it at least seattle burns a timeout and doesnt get the ball back like they did
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Remember in the 1st quarter how we passed uo the easy field goal, went for it on 4th down, and got no points at all?
I wonder what the outcome woulda been had we TAKEN THE EASY POINTS!!!
"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow
Remember how
Delanie Walker was held and the officials didn’t throw a flag. It should have been first and goal from the one.
I agree, but Walker really needs to haul that in regardless
by starshptroopr on Dec 6, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Refs can’t block FG. That’s why you take the points. This is common knowledge I don’t know why you are even arguing this point.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Also, if we kick the FG we don’t get the great field position after keeping Seattle pinned back. It still helped lead to seven points.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
They lost by a FG..
You kick an easy FG, on the road, on your first possesion.
That’s Football 101
Well, we're waiting....
Then they wouldn't have the TD on the next possession
As Seattle wouldn’t have been punting from inside the 5. So we’d have been four points short late in the game, with your approach. Real bright.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
They lost by 3 points..
They kick it off and leave it to the defense. Going for it, on the road, with the crowd, refs, etc wound up losing the game for you.
Forget about the stupid end arund, and the wasting 3 TO’s that showed poor game management and coaching.
They lost by 3 points. Deal with it.
Well, we're waiting....
So say we lost by 4 points
And had kicked and made that fieldgoal.. Would you be saying we should have gone for a TD?
I really am just curious.
Kicking the FG is just good strategy there..
That’s an easy call. You’re on the scoreboard first. You can still be aggressive with defense, and SEA sputtered early. When you score first, you have more advantages than you do without taking the easy points.
That was an easy call to make, and Sing screwed himself.
Well, we're waiting....
And trhey wound up losing by 3.
Of course, you forget that one little truth there.
Well, we're waiting....
They could have easily kicked the FG, kicked the ball off, stopped the struggling Seahawks and would have been in the same position to score 7 points.
OK....
Seeing as every time you see a bit of reasoning, you ignore it and respond “they lost by 3, so you are wrong”, it doesn’t make much sense for you to pontificate here.
Lethargy
It has me
The point is if they had kicked the field goal, the field position would have been 20-30 yards back on the next drive, and Sing wouldn’t have gone for it on 4th down for the Vernon Davis touchdown, back at his own 40. The fact that they lost by 3 doesn’t affect this at all.
Lethargy
It has me
O Rly?
After the punt, the Niners started at the Seahawks’ 42.
They then went 9 yards to the Seattle 33.
On Seahawks kickoffs, Olindo Mare drew two touchbacks, a return to the 23, a return to the 30, and a return to the 36.
Let’s say they kicked the field goal. If they somehow garnered the best return of the day, the 49ers would be facing 4th and 1 at their own 45. Singletary is not going for it in that situation- no coach is that early in the game. They would have punted it, eliminating the drive that led to a touchdown in real life.
Net: 3 points on drive #2, -7 points on drive #3
Thanks for making me spell it out for you because you were too dense to check up on it yourself, dipshit.
Same goes for you, drummer.
Lethargy
It has me
Whoops
Need to get my punting and kicking teams straight.
On the Niners kickoff, the default starting position is the Seahawks 20 yard line. Because they started at the 1 yard line, they were limited in play calling, and made two runs. They gained 3 yards, and made a 46 yard punt, 8 yard return, putting the niners at the Seahawks’ 42.
Now, starting at the twenty, advance 41 yards: this means the Niners start at their own 39 yard line, advance 9 yards, and face a 4th and 1 at their own 48. Punt time.
Still works!
Lethargy
It has me
Again..
when you’re up on the scoreboard, you game plan for that advantage. You don’t leave points off of the field. That’s Football 101.
Well, we're waiting....
Because kicking the FG instead of trying to make plays
Is working out GREAT for Gary Kubiak
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
If Nolan made that call
and lost by those 3 points, I’m sure you would be all over him for that.
Hell, that was a Mike Martz type call.
Well, we're waiting....
No.
Would I have kicked it? Yes. But then I’m conservative. He went for it and they had an incredible play called. It worked, except the guy was interfered with. With no call. Tho I would have done differently I don’t think the decision was horrible. And it provided the field position to score a TD so I don’t think of that play as hurting the cause. There are way too many other plays, decisions and calls by the refs that had an outcome in today’s game.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Anybody who knows football
Knows that ON THE ROAD, you kick that FG. They wound up losing by a FG.
There is a difference of being conservative and aggressive, but there is also a difference between smart and dumb. Going up 3 early kinda changes things a bit later.
Well, we're waiting....
We disagree
And yet as I said, I would’ve kicked. And like you, lost 17-13. I don’t see it as a right or wrong decision. It was an aggressive decision and worked, expect the ref didn’t do his job. It was also in the first quarter and helped the Niners go up 7-0. It’s not what lost the game by any means.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I don't think they would have lost by that score...
They could have been up by ten points before SEA could have scored. If they played smart football throughout, they would have won this game easy. Kicking a FG was smart.
Well, we're waiting....
Huge assumption on your part
More likely we’re up 3-0, get the ball back about 20 yards worse FP and punt on 4th down from our own territory instead of going on 4th from theirs
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Again..
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/12/6/1187444/san-francisco-49ers-vs-seattle#26684702
I thought that those 3 points could be a difference then, as it was later.
Well, we're waiting....
You thought? Ok, not saying YOU didn't
Later? Debatable, as has been discussed, since you’re making huge assumptions.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Well..
Those points did prove huge, didn’t they? Was I making a huge assumption then?
Well, we're waiting....
drummer
This ain’t the day for hair splitting nonsense. You know those points were still scored. Or maybe you don’t. Whatever.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
My post during the game thread...
Tells more than this whole hairsplitting thing. I means I watched the game.
Well, we're waiting....
Yep
Then Sing would be a bad coach for being too cautious and conservative, not thinking his team can’t pick up one yard. Walsh would’ve gone for it! Can’t please people that only want to complain.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
you can't just assume that
if we make the FG, then they get the ball on a kickoff and maybe we stop them maybe we dont, but there is no way or reason to assume either case
"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow
Their drive wouldn't have began at the 1 yard line. That's safe to say.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
When you advance to intelligent Football analysis, you look at the field position and see that sticking the Seahawks in their own 5 was a huge contributor to our touchdown on the next drive.
It was the right move.
Lethargy
It has me
And they would have lost by 7 in your desired situation, if you take field position into account.
We would have been dropped back 20-30 yards. You think Sing goes for it on 4th down from his own side of the field? Hell no!
You’re asking for a 20-13 finish here.
Lethargy
It has me
The one thing..
That people will reflect on about the mistakes made in this game was not kicking that FG. To think they would have lost by 7 by kicking it is absurd since they lost by a FG. On the road, it about defense and ST’s. That’s Football 101. That’s points missed. Easy ones.
Well, we're waiting....
To think they would have lost by 7 by kicking it is absurd since they lost by a FG.
This logic is nonsensical and retarded.
Lethargy
It has me
By being up by ten points? ..
to zero? You always take the easy points. On the road. The thing is, everybody else knows it.
You don’t.
Well, we're waiting....
FOR FUCKS SAKE
You can’t count on the game to play out exactly the same way if the Niners had gone for the FG. For starters SEA would have started at around their 27 yard line instead of their 1, so even in the best case if they went 3 and out our field position would have probably been way worse. Honestly what the fuck is so hard to understand about it?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Because..
the 49ers offense was firing before SEA could make adjustments, and having just 3 more points would have made a difference. Which it did, FOR FUCKS SAKE.
Well, we're waiting....
OH MY GOD
honestly how the fuck do you not understand this? Are you being deliberately obtuse? WE WOULDN"T NECESSARILY HAVE HAD 3 MORE POINTS
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
before you come back with
“Field goal = 3 points dur dur dur”
You can’t just assume that everything from that point on would play out the same. Maybe Seattle doesn’t go 3 and out because they’re not trying to get out of the shadow of their goalposts. Maybe Sing doesn’t go for it on the next 4th and short. In other words it’s a COMPLETELY different game from that point out, and assuming that it would play out exactly the same, is deliberately ignorant at best and cripplingly moronic at worst.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
You ALWAYS go for it on 4 and 1 inside the 3
Because even if you turn it over on defense the chances of you getting a safety are significant then you get 2 and the ball back. You don’t even need a sack, stuffing a run can cause a safety at that field position. If you get 3 and out they are punting out of their endzone risking a block and giving you the ball back at the 50 or better. Only retards kick a FG when you’re inside the 3.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Then you run the ball..
In that situation, not pass it.
Retards cost the team with bad decisions. How many did the 49ers lose by again?
Well, we're waiting....
Normally you run the ball
We have an o-line that can’t push an inch to save its life… I’m ok with creative play calling. I’d have been fine with a run… Particularly had the run been a designed PA bootleg where Alex takes it in himself
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
And then Singletary would have punted from his 40 yard line instead of going for it on the Seahawk’s 30. This is so obvious!!!
Lethargy
It has me
Just to clarify:
are you for or against leaving points on the field? :)
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
yea the niner fans booo for not going for it...
its never the rite choice in the fans eyes
by whitemike1644 on Dec 6, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
i was for it 100%
Worst case they start from the 1, if the play works, you get a TD. Even if you don’t get the TD, odds are you score before they do anyways.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
That lead to a td later though
The d held them to a 3 and out and we got great field position and punched it in. Its a game of field position and thats the only time we won that battle today
I don't agree...
…that was a smart call at the time. You’re looking at it in hindsight, which is wrong.
That doesn't make it the right call...
…at the time. The expected value of going for the TD is higher.
Drummer is wrong...
…and so are you. Going for the TD was a rational bet, especially early in the game.
yes
the “expected value”.
The smart decision is to go for it.
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negative, ghost rider.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
You’re right, and mistakes did cost us this game. However, going for it on 4th down WASNT A FUCKING MISTAKE
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No it wasn’t.
~60% chance of conversion. Converting gives you an extra 10% of win probability. Not making it costs you 8% WP. .6*10 – .4*8 > 0, so going for it is the right decision.
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--Daisy Owl
LOL..
I guess you don’t have to bring your kicker on the road with you using probability. Like the probability of 3 points left off of the field.
Well, we're waiting....
What?
that doesn’t even make fucking sense. There are times when its smart to go for it, and times when it isn’t. This was one of the times where it was smart.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Not necessarily.
I really don’t see how you can say this, because again, even my fucking 3 year old niece can understand that the game wouldn’t play out exactly the same way, only with the niners having 3 more points if they go for it.
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really
the best way to analyze this is by looking at the WP for each outcome, which I did above. It was the right decision.
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Look here..
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/12/6/1187444/san-francisco-49ers-vs-seattle#26684702
See, I’m not making this point in hindsight.
Well, we're waiting....
I'm not saying you are
I’m saying you’re wrong.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Whether you think I'm wrong..
The outcome was determined by 3 points. Which I thought could be huge then, as it was later.
Well, we're waiting....
To support Drummer again
If the 49ers don’t burn a TO on the failed 4th down attempt they have the ability to challenge the Crabtree 3rd down catch on the next drive, which looked like a 1st down in review, so this FG/TD argument isn’t as academic as it’s being argued.
Why am I not surprised?
I’d advise you not to play Vegas because you clearly have zero conception of what makes a rational bet ex ante.
Wasn't that catch that was short of the 1st
When they went for it on 4th and got the TD to VD?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
2 things
1.- Not only the players but the coaches dont know how to finish games.
2.-Refs suck i mean they should be fined or something
Fined
They should be all fired that was embarrassing and generally the NFL has the best officials of any sport.
Even with the refs sucking donkey balls
we had a chance to put it away and couldn’t get off our asses to get it done.
I’m so pissed off about this game.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Against the Cards, the Eagles
Fine.
Against the seahacks? Fuck you Niners. I’m questioning your heart, your drive, your motivation, your ability and your intelligence. Starting with Coach and ending with the fucking janitor
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
LOL
49ers Al Grito De Guerra!!! hahaha
by 49erSalvatrucha on Dec 6, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
You can't blame the janitor
he wasn’t at this game
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Season goes into January
So the season isn’t ending in Dec this year
#20
I don’t know who this cock suck is but he made several bad plays on ST and giving that deep one up to the rookie was just fucking horrible. Manusky had that bitch out there and for what fucking reason? Terrail lambert wouldn’t have given that up he’s faster than anyone on both teams. Drops by Davis that dumb as fucking reverse fumble, can’t blame Gore he is like an out of work emplyee hired to temp service. Fyck the Seahawks and FF and fuck John morgan for banning him and letting him be here
I am done cursing now.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Now I am done
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Some fuck named Keith Smith
Never heard of him before
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
The asshole from the Cardinals sent to sabatoge
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Fuck it.
It’s always something with this team. There really isn’t anybody above the team with this group – they manage to beautifully find a way to equally spread the game-blowing from week to week.
we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.
Someone should go off on Singletary.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Someone should go off on you
Sing had the right attitude the players and refs fucked us, get a clue
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Right, because attitude wins games
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by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
What has he done to make you think he’s a good NFL coach? His schtick could work in college, but not here.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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players fucked us and if the PI was called we would have been 1st and goal
You’re acting as though you didn’t watch get a clue
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I just think bad refs, fumbles, dropped catches are all part of the game and something you have to account for.
We all know VD drops passes. It was a huge play, but you can’t get mad at him for not being better, just like you can’t be mad at a player for not being faster or taller. If it was a mental lapse, maybe. But I just think VD is just not very good at catching the ball.
Same thing with Frank Gore. He fumbles. That’s what you get when you have Frank Gore on your team. I think both are great players, but I feel like we should recognize their obvious physical limitations.
I guess I’d rather look at the whole rather than the parts. Sure, VD’s drop and Gore’s fumble hurt us, but their good plays are what got us in that position anyway.
I can tolerate VD and Gore not being better than they are. I can’t tolerate imbecilic clock management and playcalling.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
No luck team
Yes, they’re not the most talented but they get no breaks. And make self-inflicted errors to top it off. Driving for the win and we fumble? Driving for the win again and we drop a TD pass? Then we don’t run Gore once on the final drive and give it back? To have a DB that wasn’t on the roster five weeks ago get beat since Clements is out?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Alex Smith
showed up. Are the receivers not used to catching balls thrown by a real QB? Seems that Alex has to throw softer for VD to catch it.
Defense gave up the big plays when it mattered.
The muffed punt? Just inexcusable.
The refs? I don’t even want to go there. I’ve never been one of those fans to complain about officiating, but come on!
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
The officials have no idea what to do with PI.
Trufant doesn’t touch Crabs. PI called.
Hill all over Walker. NO PI called.
Tough luck guys, but I think you can beat Arizona.
Fearless if you are around…ME! BANE!
ME! BANE!
I hate PI anyway
it’s a stupid call and every ref calls it different.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Don't we still have a shot at playoffs?
If arizona loses tonight then loses to us next week aren’t we tied and own the tie breaker?
by cuse7284 on Dec 6, 2009 4:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
And Cards last 3 games
St. Louis, Detroit, Green Bay…at least 2 wins there.
We are pretty much fucked right now. But hey we can go 9-7 or 8-8 and be over .500 for the first time in years
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by 49erSalvatrucha on Dec 6, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
And ours are..
St Lous, Detroit and Philly (in order of toughness)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
We would be a game behind still
and hoping they would lose to lesser teams… While we still… Wellll. We just screwed up our only chance.
no cause to be a playoff team
you have to be somewhat, halfway decent
"They (The 1989 A's) are the best team I ever saw"- Mike Krukow
I always try to be optimistic
but FUCK. vernon WHAT THE FUCK ARE U DOING??? CATCH THE BALL DAMN IT. Singletary coach us right. WTF this game shouldn’t have been close. Fuck this
Maybe now
all you whiny bitches that cry about the playcalling can fucking man up for once and admit this team fails because of execution. What did our beloved spread get us this week? A nice stat day for Alex Smith, but the offense’s failure to execute when it mattered destroyed our season and my ability to get an erection.
FUCK THIS SHIT. See you assholes in April.
*I feel only a bit better.
Yeah, fuck offensive yardage!
Let’s go back to I-formation runs and 3-and-outs on every drive!
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
Yeah fuck the 5 wide shit
It’s one thing to do it, but I think we did it too much. Smith came out looking good from under center
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We lined up with 5 WR exactly 0 times.
We lined up with an empty backfield MAYBE 5 times.
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all I simply meant was
it doesn’t matter what type of formation we ran today, it wasn’t the play calling that was the problem it was the execution.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 6, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Two points
#1—that wasn’t the fucking spread
#2—without running that offense we don’t have any points.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
that wasn't my point
my point was this – the offensive scheme was fine today, and yet where did it get us? our big names didn’t execute when we needed them to. this team isn’t a playoff team, and they proved it today.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 6, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
If that was your point...
…you chose a shitty way to make it. Seriously, calling people who disagree with you “whiny bitches”? Way out of line…not to mention wrong.
read my comment below
whiny bitches = fanpost spammers and trolls. was venting, not calling out fans.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 6, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
No..
…it ABSOLUTELY matters what offense we run. Just because we failed to execute at critical moments shouldn’t blind people to the fact that formations make a difference. If Gore doesn’t fumble that ball — ON A MOTHERFUCKING RUN — we win this game.
Are you seriously denying...
…that the offense is more productive when we pass more from shotgun? LMAO!
How do you measure production
I hate to point this out but they only scored 17 points and with no run game they were completing stagnant in the 2nd half.
1 for 100 today on 3rd down isn’t a convincing case for the formation. I remember that being the case for switching formations.
But what I was really aiming at is you cannot win if you don’t execute. Whether it’s 1 yard up the middle run or a dropped 8 yard pass.
If execution is your beef...
…then you know we should have had two more TDs, but for Gore’s fumble and VD’s drop. The power running crowd need to face facts and stop dismissing advocates of the pass as “whiny bitches.” Passing puts us in a better position to score, especially early in the game. As for our third down inefficiency, you know very well that it was probably a statistical aberration because it departs so radically from our efficiency on all other downs.
The “whiny bitches” forget you need to balance. The 2nd half offensive production was a classic example of trying to run that offense full time. Cannot run a 2 minute offense for 60 minutes in a game, just like you cannot run a goal line offense for 60 minutes of a game. Blaming dropped passes is just like blaming the offensive line. Either way you have to conclude the offense as a whole just isn’t good enough to execute either strategy.
3rd down today was the aberration? Actually, today was closer to norm. At least according to my hypothesis, a below average offense is going to be below average whatever they try to run.
The problem with this all out passing crowd is they are trading away the run to pass when good teams actually run and pass. That was faux pas in their entire argument. It was never as simple as a formation or philosophy, the problem is simply talent.
NO....
…good teams pass THEN run. They run because they’re winning, and when they aren’t, they don’t strive for some BS concept like “balance.” You remind me of Chris Collinswirth advising the Colts to run more. Yeah, 12-0 with one of the most prolific offenses in the league. Brilliant analysis, Chris…really.
You still fail to address my argument
Balance =/ Run First
Balance =/ Run
Balance = Balance
The offense isn’t good enough to run, they are not good to pass and certainly aren’t good enough to balance both.
You equation of pass THEN run doesn’t work because they aren’t good enough. They don’t pass well enough to get the lead. They don’t run well enough to keep the lead. Name any combination you want they are a below average offensive unit to execute any equation. Hence, this formation/philosophy was such a pipe dream.
You still fail to address the obvious...
…which is that the offense is more efficient when we pass first from the shotgun. Your comment about us being “good enough” (whatever the hell that means) is irrelevant. Results are results, and they suggest the offense is more efficient from the shotgun. Formations are NOT irrelevant, as you and Andrew obnoxiously suggested. The “whiny bitches” were right that play calling was a problem, just not the only problem.
What is their passing offensive ranking . . . it’s below average even before the stats come in for this game.
Again, below average running + below average passing = below average unit no matter what the offense is trying to do.
If your point is simply...
…that “better” is still not “good enough” to win, then I agree. But you’re the one making comments like “The ‘whiny bitches’ forget you need to balance.” When you say that, you sound just like that douche Collinswirth.
I said “whiny bitches” because you accused me of saying whiny bitches.
Again, my point is a below average unit is going to perform below average. The 49ers are not a passing unit like the Colts or Pats so they were never going to produce those results trying to mimic the play calling of the Colts or Pats. Today, the results finally came in, still below average running a different type of offense.
The wrong part...
…wasn’t the “whiny bitches,” but rather your advocacy of “balance.” You also are still denying the obvious, which is that our admittedly “below average” offense is still “better” when we pass more from shotgun.
They were better when the defense was expecting run and they passed out of shotgun.
Today’s game shows they are no better passing out of shotgun when the defense is expecting passing out of shotgun.
They had 363 yards of offense. Were it not for a fumble deep in Seattle territory and dropped passes, they would have put up 20+ points. How is that “no better” than what they were doing before?
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363 yard but passing the entire football game. By nature the offense gets more yards passing than running, doesn’t mean they were more efficient passing the football.
17 points isn’t production to brag about. 3rd down percentage was ridiculously awful. the same as when they were running full time.
17 points...
…that could easily be 31. Keep denying the obvious bignerd — you sound more like Collinswirth with every post.
LMAO
17 points could have been 31 points. Now I’ve heard it all. It works, if you just filter out all the mistakes and negative plays.
The result was 17 points. Blaming dropped passes is the same as blaming the offensive line for not making blocks on a run play. It’s failure to execute, it’s not playing good football, it understanding those drops are inherent to the current talent level.
but you're still wrong
the offense IS operating more efficiently since moving to a more pass oriented attack. It’s not really even debatable. By ANY statistical measure, the offense the last 2.5 games (when going massively pass oriented started) has been much more efficient than when they tried the “we’re a power run team” crap.
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Let’s see after the results of this game. Safe to say the efficiency level of the passing stats is going to take a dive.
The defense adjusted . . . that’s the other side of the coin.
i really doubt it
300+ yards, 2 TD 0 Int, almost 7 YPA. That’s really fucking good.
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Than I ask you
Why did it only produce 17 points? Those stats above do look nice, but clearly something went wrong.
By that lame logic...
…triples are meaningless in baseball because they aren’t home runs. Wait…I’ll bet you believe in “clutch” too LOL!
It means...
…that extra base hits are still an indicator of offensive productivity even if they don’t always translate into runs.
Yes.
Gore’s fumble. And an excessive number of dropped passes.
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Ok . . .
Alex Smith’s had almost the same exact stat line against the Jaguars. Similarly the 49ers only managed 20 points.
You see where I am headed with this . . . or been headed.
"almost the exact same stat line"
less like 60 yards. And the offense has still been productive. Much more than it was before. Running more, because our run game is so terrible, will not help our overall efficiency.
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--Daisy Owl
So you're saying we should blame the defense
since we held Jacksonville to only 3 points?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
how many points
did the “balanced” offense score in the IND, GB, ATL, HOU games? Or hell, even the STL game? Or hell again, all of them? The pass-oriented offense IS an improvement on what we were running before, and if you seriously can’t see that you’re either being deliberately obtuse or you’re borderline retarded.
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Ad Hominem, huh
Your so called improvement . . .
Definitely below average to
Questionably below average
What is the same? The personnel, but keep arguing the system. I’d prefer to be obtruse.
the offense
has improved, despite losing BOTH starting tackles. Our running offense is so bad it hurts us. Using it more won’t help. That’s like saying 2 – 1 > 2.
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but more points.
In the last 2 games, Smith has 550 yards, 4 TD 0 Int and he’s been sacked once. The passing offense is absolutely operating more efficiently. So is the offense as a whole. If our receivers could actually catch, those numbers would be even better.
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2 Games
So you are counting the 2nd half of the Green Bay game when the offense could pass the ball only when behind two scores and Jaguar game, who happen to be the worst pass defense in the league.
I’m not trying to argue our pass offense is horrible. I’m trying to convey they are not good enough to win games alone, which seemed to be so many peoples hypothesis.
no, dumbass
this game and the last game. If you count the 2nd half of the GB game (which I did above) it looks even better.
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--Daisy Owl
and whether or not they’re good enough to win games on their own, the passing offense is better than the running offense. It MAY not be enough, but doing more of something that doesn’t work and less of something that mostly does certainly doesn’t help your offense as a whole.
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You thought they were efficient for 60 minutes in this game? They scored 3 points the entire 2nd half.
It's fact
3 points and several 3 and outs the 2nd half, including the last drive of the game. The only drive the offense did anything in the 2nd half was the one Frank fumbled away.
Clearly . . .
The spread offense isn’t the silver bullet answer so many argued it was.
One hypothesis at the time please.
Baloney...
…because I already conceded that point about the pass offense not being good enough to win by itself.
re: "whiny bitches"
I meant the fanpost spammers and trolls, not the guys that bring beneficial discussion. if any of you guys are taking this personally, you’re not entitled to.
the point is our offense didn’t get it done when we needed it to, and our talent isn’t playoff talent. doesn’t matter if you run the spread, the power I or the freakin’ wishbone, we don’t have the talent to execute in the clutch.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 6, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Who the hell are you...
…to tell us what we’re “entitled” to do? Man up and take accountability for your words.
breathe for a second
you’re frustration is getting the better of you here. When I said whiny bitches, I meant the fanpost spammers and trolls. if you are not one of those clowns, then you shouldn’t be offended.
besides, it’s not like what I said was straight-faced seriousness – I was venting and also making fun of myself. I’m as pissed as you are about this loss man.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 6, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
I knew from where you were coming
And after this loss, second of this kind this season, everyone should be angry even if our anger is prioritized differently. Pisses me off more to see the breaks the Saints got today. Where the hell has our luck been hiding?
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
To win a SB, yes
For now, I’ll take a few shakes from the luck jar. We’d be 7-5 which for this team this year would work for me.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
for about 30 minutes after the game ended
I nearly swore off watching football ever again. luckily, I calmed myself down. maybe the arizona win makes this easier to handle, because I know I was guilty of seeing Minnesota vs. Arizona and thinking Cardinals loss. This 49ers loss sucks, but at least we know the future doesn’t look completely terrible. As long as the FO addresses the OL needs, and gets the team some shiny new secondary toys.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 6, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
VD
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF?? COME ON VD FUCKING CATCH SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!
Eric Davis
He just said there destiny is no longer in their hands. If they had won it still wouldn’t have been in their own hands since Arizona would have to lose.
He needs to take all the credit for this loss or I am not going to forgive him. Tired of him talking about the effort.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
And i'm sure you approved of him in the poll last week?
Tough to say the coach sucks when the players aren’t catching the ball and fumbling.
im starting to gedt tired of listening to him
think i’ll pass on his pressers this week
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
Fucking bullshit
Seriously the words I want to say right now would get me banned, even with site decorum not in effect, like honestly. If I speak my mind right now there will be a new Nuggets writer.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
Andy Lee Corollary?
Any criticism of Andy Lee leads to banning? Intriguing idea.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Especially considering
Being the morning nuggets-writer just got a ton easier
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Poor playcalling
Why throw the ball down field on 3rd and 4? That is such a low percentage pass the chance of an interception is just too great. The niners need to seriously look at the play calling in these crucial situations. I am so bummed right now!
Who wants to buy three tickets to the Monday night game?
And three tickets to the Lions game.
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Finding a new way to lose every week
If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin
Can some please explain Raye's play calling on that last possession?
for all the times he calls the draw on 3rd down we don’t run one 3rd and 3 in that situation? Seriously the dude has no clue.
Yeah he calls 3 yard plays every time on third and nine. Then on third and three when he HAS to get a first down he calls a 30 yard deep route.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
mike singletary
“we just find a way to screw it up”
live channel 40
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
9 dropped passes and Gore fumbled. This team let Alex Smith down big time!!!!
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 6, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions
fail fail fail fail fail fail fail
suck suck suck suck suck
go home go home tell your wives and boyfriends you suck
fuck
At Least
We found our QB for next season, that is always good
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 6, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions
No kidding...
Alex Smith was nothing short of impressive this game. And if it weren’t for the 9 DROPPED PASSES (at least two of which were for touchdowns) this would have been a blowout.
Yup we beat ourselves
I don’t wanna be negative but I feel like we woulda lost to eagles and some other team anyways I think just win what u can then later just draft couple good guys and free agents and come back next year better. Alex Smith looks pretty good 300 td 2 td game like it. Stupid gore fumbling that woulda been a td the drive looked good
MY GOD
MIKE SINGLETARY IS SO PISSED IN THIS CONFERENCE HE ENDED IT AND WOW
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions
So he didn’t take responsibility again? I mean other than his cop out “I’m the head coach so it’s all on me (but really it’s that my players stink)”.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
he talks shit
motivate this you piece of shi. Your team sucks you suck singletary go back to the chicago suburbs and start a fire in your burn barrell in the street you ass
u even watch the game?
u really don’t have a clue how much this was a winnable game…….they gave it to them and this hurts………..you can’t win on concept between the 20’s you need to score. fuck
I do REALLY know how much this was a must win.
But, had we won the previous games that were nail biters this wouldnt have been a “must win”. Was it Sings fault that we lost on a freak play against MINN. Was it Sings fault that Shaun Hill decided to suck it up and needed to make a change at QB? Was it Sings fault that Gore fumbled in todays game, and all the dropped passes.. I can keep going if you want?
We have become the NFL's greatest choke artists.
We are now the team that everybody knows they have a chance at the end no matter what.
Basically, we’re the anti-Colts….
…. or the Texans of the NFC
….ot the Redksins West..
…shit
If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin
That's heresey!
According to GeoMak we just didn’t ‘finish the game’. Big diff dontcha know.
I'm still not convinced.
singletary suck
Cant manage he needs to take responsibility clock management u f….n suck singeltary talks to much shut up and coach right 3points to start the game f….n reverse on a punt f… n stupid
As stupid as that post was, realy, why do you think Singletary is a good coach?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Tell me... Did you vote yes in his Poll last week?
Because they WON? And now they lost, so the coach is at fault? This team is better than they were last year, they have improved. EVERY game but the falcons game we have had the opportunity to win. Did that happen last year? No. Talk to me next year.
I didn’t vote int he poll. And usually when you lose every close game, it’s because the coach has mismanaged the end, and Singletary has a knack for doing that ever game.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Well, I dont think you can blame this loss on Smith.
He had a pretty good game. Gore’s fumble was was the turning point of the game. He just to hold on to that ball there. He has to know that the defense is trying to punch the ball out in that instance. Dont know what he was thinking holding the ball one handed with the crowd he had around him. The drops by the receivers and Vernon were part of the loss as well. I really felt like they were going to pull this one out even after the Debacle of a first quarter. I was still feeling like they had a chance being tied at the half. Too many opportunities that the Niners didnt capitolize on. Just a depressing crushing loss that makes you want to put a bag over your head.
Seattle was playing for N O T H I N G! If the Niners go up 14 – 0 in the first quarter like they shold have, totally different ball game. Hawks may have folded their tent. But it was not to be. It makes it tough to watch the rest of the season now. Who wants to see this team play the Cards now next monday? I am sick just thinking of the first quarter and what might have been. The Hawks HAD NOTHING TO PLAY FOR!!! That is the part that has to really hurt. I am going to go out and drink a great deal and puke this game out of my system
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
not at all smith's fault
smith is obviously a good qb
but when we play like that
inexcusable
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
boy the days of young and joe just make me feel a little better after a game like this, guys i know this dont sound right, but this isnt a squad I want to see in the playoffs, not if they arnt gonna play like they want to win, forget ray and singletary, they dont step on the field, guys just fucking choked hard
Yes the players choked hard but...
The players were running some plays that made no sense and they didnt have confidance to run the plays that didnt make sense. The running plays up the middle 3 and out made its comeback durring the 3rd quarter field position battle. I think Raye reverted back to his comfort zone which is a conservative brand of football that doesnt work in the NFL anymore. I don’t know if RAYE shold be replaced, but his philosophy doesnt work in TODAY’s NFL.
Smith had a solid game. Gore was doing pretty good till the fumble. Vernon Davis EMBARASSED himself with the drops that happened at crucial points in the game. Balls that were perfectly thrown. No one to blame but himself. Barry Sims is still good for a false start or 2. They need to revamp the OL in the off season and waive Sims. He is terrible, and has been for the entire time he has been with the Niners.
I think the Niners are going to have to use the draft to build an offensive line. The collection of scrubs, practice squad rejects, and old vets with nothing left are the surist way to lose in the trenches. We need a solid offensive line that can be relied upon. I dont think Smith has convinced the Front Office yet, but he has made progress. With tiime, Smith is an accurate passer who is very efffective when he is given time. Offensive linemen must be brought in to replace the human sieve the Niners have now. Lets keep RAYE or one of his assists to keep the continuity in the Offense. I hate the “Maybe Next Year” Phrase, but it is especially painful this time. Hard to keep rooting for this organization when the progress is so painfully slow. They havent had a relevent game since 2002. WHEN WILL THIS TEAM TURN IT AROUND AND GET BACK TO THE PLAYOFFS !!!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
Alex Smith In 2009
1,577 Yards 63 Percent 2TD 0INT
"Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win!!!"
by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 PM PST reply actions
fuck it
the cards are gonna win the division now, it doesn’t matter who you root for
If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin
by albertoleecho on Dec 6, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Time to refocus my attention on the Penguins
At least they know how to win…
2nd
If I gotta play, I'm gonna play 'till I win,
Since I gotta be here, I can´t wait to begin
by albertoleecho on Dec 6, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
they had no pressure on hasselback when it mattered. none.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
5-12
1. throw season
2. get same record as panthers
3. 2 top 10 picks
4. ???
5. PROFIT
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 4:46 PM PST reply actions
Always better to win
It’s so much better to win than it is to get high draft picks. A winning mentality goes a long way even if you’re out of the playoffs. Just ask the Lions, they’ve had top 10 picks for years, but there is still a losing mentality about that team, so they never succeed.
We still have an extremely small chance for the playoffs don't we?
If we win out and Arizona loses to minn, us and gb. I know its nearly impossible but its still a possibility right?
Yup
Although, this game was as close to a must win as a non-must win can get.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Crabtree caught most everything that was catchable.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
I fucking hope so it's one of the best kind.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
Surprise anal secks
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
Man, I want to link something so bad right now
That would blow well past the site decorum lift though
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Shoot me an email
My kind of poster, imo.
You can never resist the game... nor could I... we're the same, so don't even try.
watching the game....
made me sick. I hate the Seahawks so fucking much. Well, maybe next year, how many years have I had to say that now? Go Predators!!! goddamnit…now i just want to see two undefeated teams make the super bowl…that’ll be fun.
So I've always stood up for Smith, and I mean always
And yes, he did have a good game statistically, but he also got lucky on some really bad throws that should have been picked or shouldn’t have been the throw he tried to make.
Smith clearly struggles under big-game pressure and I’m not saying he’s a terrible quarterback, I still think he could be quite good…but right now he’s a bit of a poor man’s Tony Romo, which, for me, means he’s hit a bit of a glass ceiling that he’ll have to break through
Yes, I know he had at least 2 TD passes dropped, but he simply wasn’t as consistent as he could have been…
End of rant caveat: I’m somewhat playing devil’s advocate since, for once, most people seem to be behind Smith
I don't get how you can put this on Smith in any way
9 dropped balls will kill any offense
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I'm not trying to put this on smith, I very much don't think this was on him
however, I think his numbers belie what was a very shaky end-of-game performance
however, I think his numbers belie what was a very shaky end-of-gameperformancecouple of plays
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 6, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Its pretty fascinating.
But once again, when reality meets head on with people’s stupid preconceptions you usually get comical commentary.
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 6, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Is that a response to me
and if so, to which part?
This is a ALEX SMITH LOSS.
Sorry the game was on his shoulders and he lost it for the Niners. The second to last series was bad enough, but he singlehandedly was to blame for choking on those last two throws. It should have even been an interception on his last throw.
What is he now? Ten games under 500 when it comes to wins?
At least with Shaun Hill you’d get one series in the forth quartere where he steps up and gets the TD for his team. Alex SMith is a panicky Pete as we’ve seen on those last two throws. WTF was he thinking? Does he realize the game situation and how important a first down is?
that was a 60 minute long game. it was only because of alex’s smiths play that it came down to the last minute. he kept us in that game.
by hellaninersfan on Dec 6, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
If you click on the subject line...
…you can hide the post before your brain turns into a fog and leaks out your nose.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 6, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
And the third-to last throw was in VD’s hands, in the end zone, which would have put us up 4. And he dropped it. This is a horrible comment.
Lethargy
It has me
No way
Smith needed to step up and get the TD for his team in the forth quartere. TDs in the forth quartere are worth 12 points, which is double what furst quartere TDs are worth, so it’s science that Hill is better.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 6, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Terrible clock management. TWICE.
First off it’s three minutes left why the rush to score a touchdown on second and short on the twenty with two lottomania throws to the endzone, thus no time is taken off the clock. And then you’re forced to just tie the game with a lot of time on the clock. But luck would have it they got the ball back.
Now they are on their own ten yard line with 50 seconds left. THe other team has two time outs. Priority number one has to be to get a first down. So on second and short, Mr choke artist Alex SMith starts throwing high risk throws and leaving Seattle great field position and two time outs.
The good news is that Singletary will be fired and we can get one of the big name coaches next year.
That was very bothersome
And yet they did all work out. The first saved a big play to Butler. The other two they had the perfect calls on 4th down. Still, the first TO shouldn’t happen.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Cna't blame them for the first one
If you have a play that you think will work for a TD to take the lead you call it. That’s how they called the entire game and you don’t get sacred at the end. VD catches that ball and we’re toasting Raye for his play calling.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
“they let them play, but they didnt let us play”
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
It's the truth
And that last holding call on him gave Seattle 5 yards and an automatic first.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Fuck that shit, why blame everything on the refs, there are teams i believe that play through this stuff… but whatever, maybe i’m dreaming
by PiKAgiant on Dec 6, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But they’re such easy scapegoats when you suck!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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What you have to know, though, is that refs only blow calls against your team. It’s all a conspiracy, see.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Refs are a part of the game
They need to be accounted for by play and coaching and time management. All teams have ref problems.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
For one play or every game yes
But sometimes a crew has an awful game. Sometimes it hurts both teams, other times one team. The Niners got hurt by the refs today.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I understand
Especially since many calls aren’t so much wrong as they are 50/50 judgement calls. And we all see the ones we don’t get but look past the ones we do. But today they were awful. And still, no ore fumble, Niners likely win.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
THEY DIDNT LET DRE BE DRE
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
This may be seen as a starting point
Look, one thing is for certain: they know who their QB is for next year.
Offensive line, safety help, and maybe a change of pace back for quick cuts would improve the team dramatically.
The offensive and defensive coordinators should stay right where they are as consistency will be crucial in the next year.
by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions
Goodbye
Playoffs… I honestly thought we had a shot at the playoffs, until our entire team 4got that we NEEDED this game. O also would like to thank the stupid ass fucking refs 4 their fan-fucking-tastic performance 2day. I think there is one word that can pretty much sum it all up… FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
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This season had so much promise in the beginning. I’m so disappointed because the team crumbled when we needed them to win.
3rd and 3???
How do you not just get the FIRST DOWN??? It’s basic football. I’ve never been more mad at the niner’s qb. Why In god’s name would you punt it back to em. Disgraceful play calling.
i felt the moment we gave it to them for that last final few minutes, I really felt it, in fact I called it, I said right then and there this game is as good as over. Yeah A. Smith had a great day, if we won and he threw for 100 yards that would be a great day for me, dont go annointing this guy as the next best shit, this one wasnt on him of course, but a loss is a loss
Singletary is too stupid to continue as coach
Singletary lost this game pure and simple. I’m sitting here listening to his self-serving post-game news conference. He is talking about the fumble on the punt return reverse just being a failure to execute. Bullshit! I want to know why he thinks we can execute a reverse on a punt when we can’t even execute a normal punt return since that idiot released Allen Rossum. That has worked out well for us. By my calculation, that move has directly cost us two games now. And how does he let the Seahawks get the ball back at the end? That is his fault 100%. Singletary stinks as a coach, he is an incompetent moron. I want to know in what universe that punt return revers makes sense?
They cut rossum because he wasnt healthy
I think he returned one kick for Dallas before he got hurt again and was cut. Our return game sucks but Rossum wasn’t the answer. Now if they don’t get a new returner for next year I might agree with you
WTB 1 Arenas please.
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--Daisy Owl
I getting sick of his lisp
THe team is obviously ignoring his rants. The emperor has no clothes(and that’s no only during halftime). Again these basic clock management mistakes are exhibit A.
The Niners need to get one of the big time names that are out there, hopefully one of the ones that have a Niner pedigree from their glory days, aka Holmgren and Shannahan.
WILLIE BROWN
blaming the refs
(but he said that it was josh morgan on the first TD that we got screwed over)
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 4:54 PM PST reply actions
Does gore have a future with us?
I know Young was being sarcastic when he said we should trade him but he just isn’t doing well (besides blocking) out of the shotgun, dropping balls and not hitting the holes. If the shotgun is our future maybe we have to change who our running back is. It also doesn’t help that I’m completely pissed at him as well.
Seriously
Fire or trade every motherfucker in the entire secondary. Move all the picks we get to draft Berry, Haden, Bulaga and Hughes. I don’t even care if Berry gets himselfhurt every season it’s better than watching our secondary get shredded every game.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 4:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i wish we had clements, and ya know what
Patrick Willis is the best damn Defensive Player in the league. Mark it Down
dude
berry haden and bulaga are all going first round
unless we do something like trade our third round and next year’s first round (a la the pantehrs to us) for a team’s first round (like the team right behind us), we cant get all 3
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
But..
We can possibly get either Berry or Haden and then either Perish Cox (RS aswell as ball hawk) or Thompson in the second ..that would let us down on any chance or getting hughes though probably. But a later round pickup of another DB of some sort.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Shredded? Did you watch today's game?
And if you’re thinking that last pass, he was signed off the street due to injuries.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
So Weak & immature
For them to blow this one. Stupid refs or not.
49ers and TOOL live, my personal Heaven!!!
Somehow I'm guessing
Keith Smith won’t be retained this offseason
I'm still tryin to figure that out
I don’t know who else was in but I thought he was below…hmm…everyone else on the defensive depth chart (not ST)
Keith Smith is the last DB on the active roster.
Clements is hurt, Spencer,brown, and bly are ahead of him. BUt he is still getting reps as the #4 when people are tired or the hawks are spreading out.
no, no, no
for once he deserves a good share of blame
by foosball4949 on Dec 6, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 not for once though.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
I say this is almost completely on Sing.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Can you give us a hint?
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
The game swings on the Gore fumble, the reverse fumble, and VD’s drop in the end zone. That’s not on Sing.
Lethargy
It has me
I don't think anyone's blaming those on Singletary.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah and...?
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I should clarify my stance.
I don’t see the point in blaming players for not being better than they are. VD drops a pass, yeah that sucks, but that’s the kind of player he is. It’s not his fault that he’s not better. But if a player makes a boneheaded mistake (like Cedric Wilson failing to run out of bounds and letting the game expire when the team was in FG range) then I get mad at that player and then I feel it’s okay to blame him.
You seem to be saying that if not for the fumbles and the dropped pass, then the score would be different. But essentially what you are saying is that if these players were better then we would have won. And at that point, what’s really the point of making that argument at all? I mean, if Alex Smith was faster, maybe he would have picked up a few more first downs and scored another touchdown or two. But he isn’t. There’s no point in blaming him for not being able to play beyond his physical abilities.
In this case, I think the blame mostly falls on the coaching staff, particularly for allowing Seattle to get the ball back in good field position with enough time to score at the end of the game. That’s a correctable error, and the coaches should know better.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not a Sing blamer
But I was yelling at my TV when they threw deep on that 3rd down. They needed to try to run out that clock and burn their timeouts by running a screen or something. I think that was a mistake
There should be a middle ground between Singletary being infallible and him being the "WURST COACH EVAR!!1"
I think it’s okay to assign him a good deal of the blame in this one, but I’m not calling for his head.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Sing is not a very good coach
He gives a nice speech. The players generally play hard for him. He’s a strong leader.
But he really lacks in areas of strategy, something that definitely was big factor in today’s loss. Game-planning has been a frequent problem for Sing this season. Sometimes it’s been a poor game-plan resulting in the Niners getting buried early and having to struggle to get back into the game. Today the problem was play-calling, particularly in the 49ers’ last two possessions. Singletary just isn’t a very smart coach. He’s ruled too much by his emotions and doesn’t appear to really understand the science and strategy of play-calling.
Seasons will pass you by. I get up, I get down.
SIGH..........
I really don’t want Arizona to lose tonight and then the niners beat them on Monday night because thats just more emotion to deal with, the would’ve, should’ve, could’ve……I honestly don’t care what the final record is this year.I’m getting off the we still have a shot at the playoffs train. (Trust me, if they make the playoffs, I will be just as excited as anyone else here) I’m completely 100% officially focused on the off-season. To me, it’s very clear what the team needs are, and I hope that the FO does some signing and drafting to fix these problems.
I’ll be rooting for any team playing the Panthers, enjoying the post-season without the niners(AGAIN), and hoping for an entertaining Super Bowl. High hopes came crashing down in Seattle today, here’s to next year being THE year!!!!! GO NINERS!!!!! Still love ’em………
With you there!
As for the run game, what can be at fault:
1) Bad run blocking? (although Smith was getting good protection for passes)
2) Gore is overrated? (I saw a post above that said that if you take away his 3 biggest carries, he’s left with 3.3 ypc – not good!)
3) Other backs aren’t being given enough chances? (wake up and smell the Coffee, coach?) (Ironically, the Seasquawks made the same mistake by giving the ball to Jones and not Forsett)
4) The wrong kind of plays are being called? I remember a fan posting during the Jacksonville game “We got to do something more than just Gore up the middle all the time” – because that really wasn’t working.
Take your pick.
With 2 first round picks, I think one of them should be a running back for sure, and the other either a defensive back or an offensive lineman, although you usually don’t need to spend a high pick to get quality OL.
Alternatively, you could try to cut and trade some of the current ineffective OL and secondary to get some more picks to use for replacements. But that’s kind of hit or miss to make so much of the next year’s team’s quality depend on rookies.
SNF Open Thread
Please use this link for the Vikings-Cardinals SNF game. I’ll have a more formal recap thread up in a little bit.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/12/6/1188660/nbcsports-com-snf-live-stream-open#comments
to hell with this blaming sing, all you guys need to get a clue
he doesn’t have to catch or call penalties and he doesn’t have to hold on to the ball.
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By that logic, no coach is EVER at fault.
You don’t really believe that, do you?
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
He didn't pull a Belichik
He never has the lead to
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So a team has to be in the lead for a coach to make a mistake?
This is quite a theory.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yes but he does make the choice to use up TOs and to not go for a pretty much given FG that would have..
at least got us a tied game and into OT. It’s not only on him it’s on the whole team, but he is a part of it.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
True he made mistakes
But to have people say he should be fired?? No thanks. This team is too good and talented to start over AGAIN.
I in NOOOO way think he should be fired
I personally think he’s a good coach that has the possibility to be a great coach. He needs some advisors to give him some help in the way of those types of minutae (clock management) that can become big impact things. Maybe Buddy or Ditka or someone. Also I think that getting Rice or someone to give some help to VD and Crabs (like Young did with Vick a few years back) would be good and well you’ve got a young team with a young owner and a young/rookie head coach. Some advisory help is neededd
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't think ya did! :-)
I just was totally agreeing with you. :-) He fucked up, and made some bad judgement calls. He needs to think about that and work it out and get some help learning how to handle that part of being a good HC. I have full faith he will do that.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
People letting Sing off the hook
I can’t read every post here, but he had a really poor game. The time out on the first play from scrimmage, due to poor substitutions (aka bad coaching) was a good example of how he treats time outs like trash, just gives them away for almost no reason.
And the last time out of the 1st half instead of a challenge that would have given them a first down……a challenge just gives you a LONGER TIME OUT. Throw the flag, get a 5 minute TO rather than a 2 minute one, and maybe a bonus 1st.
Clock management in the last minute was the topper. Inexcusable. I’ve been a big Sing fan but this game really exposed some huge shortcomings of his, some things where you’d think even most guys on the couch would understand.
Yeah but on the drive that Gore fumbled we had the game so thats how you can overlook it.
Despite burning the TO’s the refs making the obvious call gives us 1st and goal at the 1
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Gore screwed up too,
We can rip numerous people from this game.
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 6, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
The guy needs to bef fired
hopefully this game leads to holmgren taking over the operations of the organization. Today was pitiful. We had them down, the play calling became conservative and we got are butts kicked.
you don't event comment here much and to say he needs to be fired is
ridiculous.
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lol the ridiculous calling other people ridiculous.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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Your logic is impenetrable.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
That first one was horrible
But wouldn’t that be on Manusky for not having the right players on the field? it’s the first play of the game and his job to get the correct 11.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Well, and the punt fumble was special teams
But in the end you’re just talking about a sloppy performance where maybe the HC doesn’t have control of all the aspects he needs to have control over.
HCs won’t usually be involved in the nitty gritty details, but they do need to make sure their subordinates aren’t doing stupid things.
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 6, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Bottom line. Players were bad. But they still played more than good enough to win. It’s the coaches job to put the team in a position to win and there was a massive failure on ther part starting with Singletary.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ive got my eye on the VERY important offseason ahead
Cause this season is over.
PULL A PANTHERS IN THIS YEAR'S DRAFT?
if we can draft eric berry with our first pick and brian bulaga with our second, i say we trade our third round in 2010 and first round in 2011 to the team directly behind us for their first round and draft joe haden
lol
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions
That's what I was sayig above
Package fucking everything but our second round pick and do something to get a 3rd first rounder.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 5:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think/hope that was a bit overstated
Almost sounds like the move made by Ditka in NO to trade his whole draft to get Ricky Waters.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Except no 1st or 2nd round picks given up. A future 1st and everything 3rd and below if we have to.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 5:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
its not that gores bad
its trading him to get help we desperately need
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
This must be
what it felt like to be a Boston Red Socks fan before 2004
by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions
This team really needs to figure out a way to win on the road.
Until they do that, they will never be a true playoff contender. Even in the NFC West/Worst
Singletary to blame
Singletary’s poor game management was directly responsible for 10 Seattle points and the loss of 3 points for the Niners. Period. Quit making excuses for this sorry sap. His staff is incapable of even getting a play in on time. He is a wooden-headed putz! He belongs as a defensive coordinator, nothing more. He does not have the required intelligence. He is a complete and utter moron. The punt return reverse is the single worst call ever made by the 49ers. Period.
And by this point in the season all blame directed towards Raye must go to Sing imho.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Soo all you singletary haters..
You’re telling me you want yet ANOTHER coach to screw up our offense, in my opinion is getting better. Alex Smith played a great game. New coach means new everything. Yet another time.. Last week everyone was loving him.. Get a clue. This team has played better in all of its game, even the losses, than the games in the previous years.
i’m tired of the FUCK SING comments. seriously.
We love Singletary
Should we lie about the job he is doing?
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Blame Steve Bartman!!!
That guy’s already used to misdirected rage…
by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Got what he deserved for being a Cubs fan anyway.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
YES!!!!!!!!!! I do.
Bottom Line: Whoever called the punt reeturn reverse showed they are too stupid to continue in this league. If it was Singletary that was responsible for the single most moronic play in the history of football, so be it. It showed zero awareness of the game situation. Zero. Plus, this clown makes Mike Martz look responsible with his timeouts.
When?
When has any reverse, other than Rossum’s 1-yd TD last year, worked for the 49ers since the Rice reverse where that dirty piece of shit Sapp blew out his knee on a personal foul? Name one worthwile reverse!!!!!!!! The typical result of a 49er reverse is a turnover, loss of yards, or a two-yard gain. I challenge you to give me one example that shows otherwise going back to ‘98. One! You can’t.
Check out Clements punt returns last season
He has bee part of some successful reverses on punt returns. For offense, see Josh Morgan today.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Two really positive things...
- There’s nothing wrong with this team that can’t be fixed in the draft. We need some CB, FS and O-line help desperately but there is going to be plenty of talent in the draft
- Alex Smith looks like a franchise QB.
- Drafts haven’t treated the Niners wery well in the past
- No doesn’t. He’s an adequate stop gap.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
You're right
Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree and Alex Smith weren’t worth it at all. We should have drafted Ryan Leaf.
by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
You think the careers of Alex Smith and Vernon Davis has been worth the spots they were drafted in? They’ve been huge disappointments and a few games don’t change that.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
were they to retire today...
then their careers would not be worth their draft spots. however, there’s this little thing called the future.
Would be true, except that this is likely going to be as good as Vernon Davis and Alex Smith are ever gonna be, which isn’t bad, but it’s not worthy of a top-10 draft dick.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
If VD and Smith
play at this level for the next 5 years, they will have been worth their draft positions.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Especially Davis
TEs with 100 yard games and double digit TDs every season (going forward) are certainly worth top-10 picks.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
If by disappointments you mean a Pro-Bowl caliber season for Vernon Davis, then yeah, I’ll take it any day.
Add Crabtree and Willis and your original point of doesn’t hold well
by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
theres an article by Sando from 2 days ago
The Niners have drafted at least as well as the rest of the NFL
present one
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
A franchise QB
Is one that the organizaton chooses to put their whole blind faith in as the leader of the team. that’s what it really is. At least how I see it and I think what you were getting at to a degree. It’s not a great QB nor a good QB but the QB that the organization chooses to put their faith in wholeheartedly.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Young
Garcia was always looked at as a stop gap measure… even if he ended up lasting for a while.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
and when he throws 3 picks the next game, he will be a dud again. i cant call anybody a franchise QB unless he brings his teams back in the 4th
Hard to do
when your receivers drop everything thrown their way.
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone mention the fumble?
The one in the 1st qtr i believe that the refs blew down because the RB’s forward progress was stopped…of course, we couldnt even challenge it because we were out of TOs by the 6 min mark in the 1st qtr
You can't challenge that the play was blown dead
Know the rules before you wstep up to those shoes kid
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Ban the Trolls, FF find a new home!!
Holy shit
Did we agree? I feel dirty.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 5:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Couldnt challenge it anyways
If a play is blown dead it’s not challengeable.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 5:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If you could pick any superpower in the world, what would it be?
I, for one, would like the ability to sterilize anyone who thinks that Alex Smith was the reason the Niners lost this game. It would do more good for the world than Aquaman could ever hope to.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 6, 2009 5:11 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I’d pick the ability to communicate with sea animals
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
what would they tell you
Vernon Davis doesnt focus on the game like he should and has adhd? WAy too many dropped perfect passes. And another thing that I havent seen many talking about is how may drops our devensive backfield had that could have been INT’s.
Maybe the Fish might tell you that the Offensive line is a human SIEVE!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
Much nicer than me wanting to zap them into little piles of Ash.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I've always wanted to control time like that girl from Out Of This World.
Press my fingers together and stop paint cans from falling and such.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Its hard to imagine a way of explaining this one away
other than… we blew it…all around except Alex Smith and P Willis
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More official recap up
Site decorum is back on for this new thread:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2009/12/6/1188636/seahawks-20-49ers-17-upon-further
Alex Smith finds a way to lose. 13-24 record
I know the terrible clock managment is a lot ot blame. But you definitely have the chalk this up to Alex Smith. He has talent but his pro talent is he finds a way to lose. Some quarterbacks find a way to win in the end thinking ‘there is two minutes left, if I get to the thirty we can kick a field goal.’
Alex Smith thinking. ‘If I throw two quick incompletions the other team will have good field position to beat us in the second’. His losing has evolved from just thowing interceptions, he’s using the power of incompetions and using no clock to give wins away. His ten games under 500 should just increase. He’s two and four this season. 11-19 the season before.
So when he drove us down the field and Davis and Crab both missed opportunities to put the game away was his fault?
Yes.
Because while those throws were catchable they weren’t perfect. But again, it goes to the Alex Smith theory of creative losing. He’s second and short on the twenty yard line and he’s going for a quick touchdown instead of getting a first down and geting a higher percentage chance at a TD and more clock being used. What Smith did was use no clock leaving Seattle 3 minutes just to kick a field goal.
get rid of Raye
Get rid of the guy. He has the most stupid play calling and worst imagination in the entire NFC west.
He needs to get tanked now not later because he is a cancer on the Niner team.
get rid of the receiver coach
His job is to make sure they catch the dam ball or sit them. What is everyone smoking?
weak division
If Niners can’t do better each week, the GM has to make notes, take names, and look for replacements.
Say goodbye to Playoffs again!
Another year down the drain.. Just gave it away. Niners organization is one of the worst in the NFL top to bottom. No different than the Raiders, just a crappy organization trying to hang on to a past that happened what 15 years ago (94 bowl).
Niners, Sharks, Raiders, Giants, A’s and Warriors how embarrassing to even admit to following any sports team from the Bay Area unless you just love to lose. How many years can you say, “Well there is always next year?”
ps Jimmy Raye – Singletary’s biggest mistake one that I believe will cost him his job sooner or later. Hire average people you get average results and in this case not even average.
Sorry for the negativity but real is real.
Overall
I know players are going to drop the ball. I can see that but the one thing that was consistently sucking this game and didn’t help us one bit was Special Teams!!! Was horrid!!!!!!!!! No spark no good returns def special teams were okay but giving up a good return to Seahawks late killed us!!! Field position so bad!!!!
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