Seahawks 20 - 49ers 17: Upon further reflection...
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 5:21 PM PST
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PrintYea it still hurts. Now that people have had time to spew some venom, I thought we'd take time to actually look at a few aspects of the game. Please keep in mind that site decorum is back in effect in this thread. If you feel the need to swear, head over to the initial recap thread. There is a lot to discuss about this game, so I'm just cherry-picking a few topics. We'll have plenty more starting first thing tomorrow morning (7 or 8am pacific). Also, just a reminder that our SNF thread for Vikings-Cardinals is here.
Referees
People say teams shouldn't make excuses, but for once I'm perfectly fine at least complaining about officiating. In the end the blame for the loss lies with the team, but that does not mean the referees get a free pass. The referees were absolutely atrocious in this game. The biggest problem with the officiating was not that they were so bad, but that they were so one-sided in their bad calls. It started with the horrific no-call in the end zone involving Delanie Walker and proceeded throughout the game. It was downright embarrassing at times. Again, it's not the final blame for the loss, but it's most definitely worth complaining about.
Vernon Davis
I think Dub4lif3 had the best reaction to Vernon Davis's performance today: "Vernon...you let our season slip through your sometimes great hands." Vernon Davis is so close to being the clear-cut best tight end in the league. He can make huge plays, he can handle most any defender. If he could just go over some of the mind-numbing mistakes, Vernon could be such a monster. Some will argue the stats he puts up are enough, but when you're taking points off the board, I have to hold that against you. If he wants to be the best tight end in 49ers history (a very distinct possibility given his current development), he needs to be bringing down those game winning touchdown catches, pure and simple.
Game Management
This felt like a Mike Nolan speciality. When the team blew all three first half timeouts in the first 9 minutes of the game, things definitely were not feeling right. When you use a timeout before the first play of the game, something is clearly not working. The 49ers have come across as a disorganized team too many times this season. I definitely think this falls on Singletary, but I'm certainly not saying we need to find a new coach. That would be ridiculous. Mike Singletary continues to learn how to be an NFL head coach, and some coaches take longer than others to figure this out.
Ross Tucker
I know this is a bit petty, but Ross Tucker is an atrocious announcer. Just absolutely awful. And Chris Myers should go back down to the sideline.
Playoffs
Obviously the team is not mathematically eliminated. An Arizona loss tonight does keep some small hope alive. Personally I think the 49ers playoff hopes are on a respirator, with the Philadelphia Eagles ready in two weeks to pull the plug. While Atlanta was under-manned today, Philly looked really good on offense, and I just don't see the 49ers going in there and pulling the upset.
However, with the Cardinals coming to town next Monday night, I suppose some folks will stay excited about playoff chances. I'm not prepared to start thinking about the offseason too much at this point, but I realize the position the 49ers now find themselves. So I guess that puts me in some kind of football purgatory.
You can discuss more than just these topics of course. However, in terms of front page posts, I'm thinking tomorrow morning will be an Alex Smith-related post. I'm going to hold off on the game management issues in more depth until the Singletary approval rating post on Tuesday.
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the hell
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
by Fearless Frog on Dec 6, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
FIRST TO WHAT MAY I ASK?
FIRST TO:
1) Refresh your keyboard in a bizarre effort to be first?
2) Come upon this article and type “First” before even reading it. You did read the thread right?
3) Say that basketball season has officially begun in earnest? Go Bears/Kings !
4) Play the silly “FIRST” game while everyone else is pissed.
5) Expose yourself as a forum troll?
I do not know if any of these things are true. I really dont have enough evidence concidering the dearth of information contained in your post. Please give us more information. But by all means, dont turn into a wordy dork like me and run out of space every time I post a reply :-)
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
2nd
Sing was not the problem for the whole game, he had a bad 1st quarter
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Why don’t other coaches take so long to learn on the job?
And blaming refs for a loss is very rarely ok. This is not one of those rare times.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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by cheno on Dec 6, 2009 5:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
refs
I’m not sure you understood my comments. I said that I wasn’t blaming them for the loss. I’m complaining about bad officiating. As Singletary said, the refs didn’t miss tackles or fumble the ball. But that doesn’t mean I’m not gonna complain about bad calls.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
But complaining is silly because there were calls that went against every other team that played today. That’s sports.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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But there were bad calls against the Seahawks too. They just don’t rise up in a 49ers thread.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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WHAT!?
are you insane dude. this was one of the worst officiated games i ever watched!! from the walker NON-PI call, to a safety we somehow didnt get. to a horrible Offensive PI call, that gargabe illegal contact against bly and so on. Refs dont blow games but the 9ers should have started this game up 14-0 which obviously changes everything!
how are you arguing this, what calls went against the hometown hawks?
I could tell you five holding call against the Niners that weren’t called. Of course, there were about the same amount of holding calls against the Seahawks that weren’t called. That’s football. Refs missed calls. You play through that and win. You can’t complain.
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For the most part, I agree with you
but holding happens on every down in football somewhere on the field. That’s just the game of football.
Sometimes, receivers don’t make the catches. That’s also football.
Sometimes, those catches aren’t made because other people are holding onto them in plain view of the referees and tv audience. That’s also the game of football.
Anyway…Fooch had a point to raise it as something frustrating, but not outright the reason why the 49ers lost today.
by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Errors made in space, cost points and at the end zone are inexcusable
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
How about the fact that the seahawks lined up offsides on almost every single play
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 6, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
With all due respect
if you look there was a post by an SEA poster saying that the calls by the refs were heinous. So no it is not only us and a bad calls and complaining about it is normal. In fact I think that NFL Network (owned by the National Football League) has a segment each week about it.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Another fan came here and agreed with the crowd? That proves it!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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No not saying it proves it.
I’m saying that a NON-SF fan even complained about it. And that in no way proves it. You are free to your opinion as are we all.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
A couple of them were clearly egregious.
Jones offensive PI being one of them. But the rest could have gone either way, and like cheno points out, there were plenty that went against Seattle too.
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
by Fearless Frog on Dec 6, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
i am speaking about points when the play is five feet from the ref.
Both ways my ass, that was plenty one sided. It went back and forth in the 2nd half and the 1st half was all bad for SF and you know it.
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50/50 calls everyone must live with
Incorrect calls or non-calls that cost points stand out. Also, if a crew is going to call it tight, then fine. Call it tight both ways. You can’t call light shoves in the back on SF and ignore them on Seattle.
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maybe
but anyone who blames Smith, who played his best game ever, and had countless drops, is really “not too on top of things”
Not sure he had his best game ever
He had a good game. Broke 300 yards for the first time. His QB rating was 95.6, but I think he had a game of a better rating.
Best ever? Dunno and it’s pretty nitpicky if I were to say it wasn’t.
its like
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by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I have to agree about the refs....
they have cost us a couple of games now, but i think this game actually tops the poor performance the officials put in against the Vikings. I was sitting there, watching in disbelief at the way the game was called. I think it is unfair for a team to be expected to play a perfect game, make every catch, every tackle, etc, on the road in order to compensate for one-sided officiating. I am just glad i didn’t pay to see this game or i would make them give me my money back.
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 6, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
3rd
The blame goes to ST’s, Davis, Gore, and whoever made the decision on the last drive, not to mention the refs
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I know this won't happen
But I think Alex proved himself worthy of a long-term QB job with this franchise. I know he wasn’t perfect, but he could’ve had a monster game if his receivers cooperated.
A lot of people are complaining that Raye called a long pass on 3rd and 4, but I bet it’s the same group that praised him for the long pass on 4th-and-1 against the Jags.
I think Raye did well enough to win the game, and his players just didn’t cooperate.
I agree
Alex played his best game to date, and last week was his previous best outing. There is some really positive stuff going on here. Too bad it takes a team to win.
Different situation
“A lot of people are complaining that Raye called a long pass on 3rd and 4, but I bet it’s the same group that praised him for the long pass on 4th-and-1 against the Jags.”
And the fact he thought that was the time to throw deep shows he doesn’t have a clue. Of all the times we run a draw in that situation we don’t do it there? We take far too few chances down field during the game but we do it there? I’m sorry but Raye’s play calling is inexcusable.
This is just silly.
A lot of people are complaining that Raye called a long pass on 3rd and 4, but I bet it’s the same group that praised him for the long pass on 4th-and-1 against the Jags
Trying to skew the results like this could earn you a career as a GOP pollster.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
the last 3rd down we had
should have been a running play. 49 seconds left? you eat clock. you run, burn 5 or 6 seconds, stay in bounds, then let the play clock run out on 4th down. You punt to them with maybe 10 or 15 seconds left.
I take the blame.
For actually believing that we would win this game. We all had bad feeling, and our die hard spirits continue to set us up.
I’m just really glad I waited until now to have my first beer. really glad, and so is my liver.
I take the blame for losing, because I’m to blame for setting myself up in the first place.
Time for the bashing fan posts.
I understand we lost and as fans with expectations, it’s upsetting. But to blame Sing and say YES he needs to be fired is beyond a doubt ridiculous to say the least. I agree with Fooch. He made errors, he is a new coach, but in the end, how responsible is he for the dropped catches, missed calls, and the turnovers? If you can truthfully answer yes to those, then WOW.
I don’t have a problem going for it 4th and 1 on the 1. Sometimes you get them, sometimes you dont. It’s one of those where if it works, he’s a genius. If not, he’s the dumbest coach. And it didnt work, and here comes the hate.
In either case, the team lost the game in another heartbreak fashion.
and if the refs felt tackling a receiver in the endzone before the ball arrives is pass int...
then the niners probably get a td with a 1st and goal at the 1
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 6, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
"how responsible is he for the dropped catches, missed calls, and the turnovers?"
He’s not. He’s responsible for making sure the team and staff are ready for the game, for being smart tactically and strategically. I don’t think anyone has accused Sing of fumbling the ball, they’re saying he did his own job poorly.
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 6, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith finds a way to lose. 13-23 record.
I know the terrible clock managment is a lot ot blame. But you definitely have the chalk this up to Alex Smith. He has talent but his pro talent is he finds a way to lose. Some quarterbacks find a way to win in the end thinking ‘there is two minutes left, if I get to the thirty we can kick a field goal.’
Alex Smith thinking. ‘If I throw two quick incompletions the other team will have good field position to beat us in the second’. His losing has evolved from just thowing interceptions, he’s using the power of incompetions and using no clock to give wins away. His ten games under 500 should just increase. He’s two and four this season. 11-19 the season before.
11-19 record.
Alex Smith finds a way to lose. He’s a genius at it. Even in the Chicago game when Cutler threw five interceptions, the Bears still had a first and goal chance to win.
Alex Smith is an artist in getting the opposing team to have a chance to win at the end. And it really has evolved from just throwing interceptions, he’s mastered the art of the key incompletions. Although that last throw he was being very crude and give the Seahawks a interception at the 50 yard line. But it was win/win for Alex, because even if it’s incomplete they still get good field position. He’s an artists, when will people realize Alex Smith’s gift. I can’t wait to see how be blows it next week.
Congrats
You win the dumbest post of the day award
I usually don’t like being such an ass to people but anyone bashing smith now deserves it.
by sactownbull on Dec 6, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And this just proves your blind hate
“Even in the Chicago game when Cutler threw five interceptions, the Bears still had a first and goal chance to win.”
So blame him for playing poorly in a win and then turn around blame him for a loss where he plays well and has two game winning TDs dropped …. yeah you are a fool
And you're obviously Shaun Hill.
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by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Alex Smith
is the only reason this game was so close.
But people like you just don’t see reality and refuse to accept the facts. Smith had 310 yards, 2 TD’s and 0 INTS.
He would have had much better stats if his receivers didn’t DROP 2 touchdowns.
And if I remember in the GB Game
He actually had a better TD to INT ratio than Aaron.Is that right? Anyone remember for sure?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Smith had 3 TD's and 1 int in that game
and Aaron went for 3 TD’s and no ints
by randolphforpresident on Dec 6, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
It's all about wins.
And that last drive was classic Alex Smith. He went above and beyone what it took to lose the game. Throw two quick low percentage passes in order to give the Seahawks the best chance to win.
The stats he got earlier was just to keep his job, in order to put himself in the best position to lose again next week.
Agree in part...
While I think Alex Smith played a good game, at some point he should have realized that it would be better to take a sack and kill the clock to get it to OT then to thrown incompletions.
it wouldn't have killed the clock
SEA had 3 timeouts.
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The way Seattle rolled up our secondary in the last 2 drives
If it went to OT they would have won anyways
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Smith will get his stats. And then find a way to lose. 13-23 record.
When will Smith apologist just face it and just enjoy Smith’s artistry of finding a way to lose. To stay close at the end, and then blow it is a gift. Now he’s doing it without having to throw interceptions.
Yup, he totally willed his receivers to drop 9 passes. He secretly threw the go ahead TD pass into VD’s hands because he knew VD wouldn’t catch it. Yup, totally his fault today. I mean, that’s pretty amazing that he can will his receivers to not help him out at all…
I can’t believe I’m even trying to talk reason here…I usually avoid posts so dumb that they’re obviously posted just to get a rise out of people…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 6, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just remembering the Seachickens a few years back
didn’t they just before they went to the SB have problems with everyone dropping the balls? I seem to remember Haas throwing one that was a sure TD the year before in the playoffs that hit his guy in the numbers and he dropped it in the End Zone with no one around him. That kind of thing happened there as well.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
That was Bobby Engram.
The annoying thing about that was that he ordinarily had excellent hands, easily the best on the team, and yet still somehow dropped that.
The real culprits from those years were Koren Robinson, Darrell Jackson, and Jerramy Stevens.
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
by Fearless Frog on Dec 6, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith will find a way to lose. He's a loser. His 13-23 record speaks for itself.
He played a decent game today, but when the pressure is on, he will find a way to lose. That last series, Alex Smith shill fans seem to ignore my whole point. He will go out of his way to choke and give the opponent the best opportunity to win at the end of the game. Even the games he wins, he needs a last minute hold. It’s just a coincendence that the D holds, those were meant to be loses too.
Hate
is not healthy and leads to convoluted logic. What do you hope to accomplish other than stir up anger and frustration.
You could just as easily say “Davis (or any niner you hate) will find a way to lose.” and “Crabtree (or any niner you hate) shrill fans seem to ignore.” and “Gore (or any niner you hate) will go out of his way to choke.”
None of those statements make sense and neither do yours.
Did Davis find a way to lose by dropping a TD pass?
Did Gore find a way to lose by his fumble?
NO, they all wanted to win and were trying to win. Can’t you support their efforts to win instead for zeroing in on one guy and blaming him for the failure of the Team.
Actually, if I remember my Yoda-isms correctly, hate leads to suffering.
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you. "
And, obviously, in this case, Yoda was right. James’s hate has led to a lot of suffering for us rational thinkers. My that Yoda was brilliant.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
are you
12 or 13 years old? and do your parents know that they accidentally unblocked the parental controls on your web browser? Its almost your bed time
Quick question...
I remember a quarterback who was picked #1 overall in the draft, and by the time he was Alex Smith’s age (25), had a record of 3-16. I just can’t remember his name…Stan Something…no….
Wait, I found it. Man, that guy was a total loser.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 6, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Unfortunately for you
This comment in the last post was just as stupid as this one… Nice copy and paste.
Are you kidding?
Smith was without a doubt the best QB on the field today and Matt Hasselbeck is one of my favorite players ever.
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
by Fearless Frog on Dec 6, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 6, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Am I alone in thinking that we were clearly the better team out there today.
We seem to have lost a strange chess match. Like one in which we were actually playing chess, and Sing calls a time out.
Yeah, that goes on the coach, when overall the players are better and they still lose.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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not exactly
Most of the players are better, but an oline that cannot open up holes for a run game is a huge handicap for our coach.
Once they realize it, it makes their decisions much simpler.
This was almost a game that there shouldn't have been a winner
or so it seems. I doubt you’ll see any highlights on any of the channels for this one. Just saying that it was, or seemed, sloppy on both (really all 3 to include the Refs) sides.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
I find it interesting that some people are giving Singletary a pass because "he didn't know about the reverse call"
If you’re a head coach how do you not make you ST coordinator clear it with you before he tries anything like that. Any of those big time decisions should be made by a head coach, not a co-coordinator
Not givin him a pass
but not calling for his head either.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
rossum hasn't been healthy enough to play since we cut him
so – good move.
bad move: not finding someone more competent
Ross Tucker
Sounds like retarded stewie with a cold
by swagger on Dec 6, 2009 5:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm thinking
7-9 this year. Cards are looking pretty good, and with todays loss I find it hard to believe there won’t be a meltdown next Monday. Eagles will destroy us easily. Look for a big second half from the niner O, after being down 5-6 TD’s. I think we will finish strong(as usual) against Rams & Lions. I really hope the niners can get off the middle rung of the NFL ladder next year, because this is getting brutal.
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I think the thing that cost us the game was
that stupid reverse punt return. Special teams cost us this game and gave them an easy score. just like the texans game. If that dumb call doesnt happen they never get rolling and we win. Our problem is special teams. Its cost us for sure two games and maybe more
Yeah, the reverse punt debacle completely changes the momentum of the game…I have to agree there.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 6, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Also affected field position...
Seattle had too many short fields to work with. Ryan did his job pinning the Niners back, and Burleson got the ’Hawks into good field position every time. On the last sequence of drives, that was huge!
hypocrisy
we complain at first about the play calling being so conservative. is it acceptable to blast raye for being so ridiculously aggressive with those 4 deep throws on the last two drives when we only needed 4 yards?
by thefaithful on Dec 6, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's one extreme
or the other with Raye. However I do like this style better than run run run. But we definitely need more balance if we want to win.
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you mountain
I would say this was a totally one sided game. Raye has been a good play caller at times but today was for sure not one of his best. Switching it up and givng the D something to think about and allowing a bit of Play Action might have helped.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
200 something yards
Against Seattle in week 2. Granted, the line was healthier, but still. They never even attempted to get Gore going.
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
common now you watched that game
they all came on two plays, and when we did try to get Gore involved he ran into the pile instead of going around it
The only time they gave it to him on a consistent basis
Was when we were on our own 1 yard line.
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
your right
they also gave it to him on a consistent basis, in the first half of the TENN game, HOUSTON game, and GB game? soooo…. uhhh. thats about it… look below
You're right.
But a lot of it is on the line, not Gore.
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
He called nothing but short passes the entire third quarter and then at the wrong time, when they needed to run down the time, he goes completely the other way. He used to run the ball too mucn, now he never runs it. The guy is a maniac in my opinion.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Hurt and denial
The two losses that will keep us out of the playoffs are todays and at Minnesota. Those two stand above all other close losses, as the Niners were the better team in both those games and lost due to their own self-inflicted errors and pushed along by poor one-sided officiating. When I think of this season I think of both these games as wins (thus the denial) as we were better and had them won. Until we didn’t.
I do find it interesting that many fans and media blamed the Vikings loss on Sing being too conservative, especially in the 4th quarter. Some of those same people are blaming him today for being too aggressive, especially in the 4th quarter. Each game with a different QB. No matter which way you play it or prefer it, the players have to execute the plays and not turn the ball over.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I thought it was
blame someone for doing something then blame them again if it doesn’t work. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
And people were right both times. There is middle ground you know. that bing said, I am sick of seeing Raye’c conservative “play to not lose” third quarters.
If Bochy coached the Warriors Bengie Molina would start every game at PG.
by cybermaldonado on Dec 6, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
3rd quarter
Was about field position, not playing to not lose. Starting drives inside your own 5 yard line is not the best way to open up the playbook, especially on the road with this o-line.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
WE PLAY NOT TO LOSE
They are who we thought they were!! The reason the Niners lose is because they DONT PLAY TO WIN!! They always play not to lose. BIG difference in philosophy and mentality. Its the reason we take the Colts, VIkings, Titans, Texans, and Packers to the wire but still manage to lose by less than a TD. All of those teams are WAY more talented than the Seawacks but we still manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!
by JimmyRayeisRayCharles on Dec 6, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions
PLAY TO WIN!
The Niners philosophy is to not make the big mistake – dont give up the big play on defense, dont turn the ball over on offense, grind it out and HOPE the other team finds a way to give you the game at the end. GO TAKE IT! We let Hasselbeck throw completion after completion in front of our DB’s virtually the entire game and definitely on the last drive – put your players in a position to MAKE A PLAY. Your going to get burned occassionally, but by playing not to lose, you never learn how to WIN AND FINISH
by JimmyRayeisRayCharles on Dec 6, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions
We wen for it early on fourth in effort to take this game
We spread out our offense and pass because it is best for us to score, don’t sit there and be simple minded and say we hope for the other team to give the game away. This post is full of losers I swear!!
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This is the Marty-Ball argument
I don’t think the 49ers played Marty-Ball today. Even Marty-Ball isn’t Marty-Ball unless you want to count multiple missed FGs and several fumbles at key crucial moments in the game. Any type of system would lose under those circumstances.
The 49ers are a very young team
This game was a tough loss, especially because it was obvious how much more talent the 49ers had on the field than the Seahawks. But, with a still-young receiving corps, a still-young QB, and a lot of still fresh faces on defense there’s a lot to look forward to for the rest of the season and beyond.
Perhaps I’m out of place preaching patience, but these guys need a little more seasoning before they’re ready. This season so far has been a HUGE step forward for them, whether their record reflects it or not.
by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 6, 2009 6:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Not out of place
I like the perspective and agree. It doesn’t make 2009 feel any better but if this is part of the growth to being a division winner with legit chances to win in the playoffs, it will be worth it then. Just not now.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Dec 6, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
I choose to look at how good the offense will be with a full camp behind it WITH a QB that can actually operate a passing system.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
anywhere i can see a "lowlights" video?
i missed basically the entire second half of today’s game and i would like to see all the screwups of the game
inb4 “this is a troll post”. i am completely serious. i feel “left out” that i havent been able to see the dropped passes and the zebras calls that actually cost us the game. being a true fan and not being able to see how badly we screwed up this game depresses me
sportscenter will only show the field goal at the end i assume
once again, i am 100% serious
ps. sorry if this is in the wrong section of the site, but i believe its in the right place
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions
I am pretty annoyed....
not only with the ridiculous officiating costing the Niners games, but the scheduling. How does Arizona get Minnesota, Green Bay, Indy AND Houston all at home and we get them all on the road?
Rotation
In three years, we’ll get Minnesota and Green Bay at home (as we did in 2006). We’ll get Houston and Indy at home in four years (as we did in 2005).
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Yep.
When playing divisions on rotation. Next year we play the NFC South, as we did in 2007 and 2004. We’ll play the opposite sites from 2007, so we travel to New Orleans and Tampa, while hosting Atlanta and Carolina.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Just got back from Qwest...
Let me tell you, it was frickin’ cold out there. I lost the feeling in my toes halfway through the 4th quarter. Took a long walk for beer afterwards to get it back. Anyway, maybe this was a factor in the dropped passes. From my spot in the cheap seats, it looked like Hasslebeck and Smith were throwing pretty hard out there, and it’s not like the Niners are used to playing in sub-freezing temperatures. Every time something hits you (whether its a ball or another player) in these temps, it HURTS! Maybe not a big deal, but it could be something… Maybe they should practice in Tahoe or something.
Being in the stadium, I don’t have the benefit of instant replay. Anybody got youtube links for those blown calls? The Delanie Walker no-call in the end zone was pretty ridiculous, but as that field position battle ended up as a TD for the good guys, maybe not a huge thing in the long run. How bad were the other ones? The potential safety and the blown PIs? I wanna see!
i am looking for the same info
the delanie walker PI was bull but the safety well that was pretty close idk if it was or not
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well there was obvious holding in the endzone...
and that is a safety
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 6, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
We also had Jones stuffed in the end zone
when I do my play-by-play I’ll get screen caps of the no-calls
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I thought forward progress had that out to the 1 or 2 yard line
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
by Fearless Frog on Dec 6, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
He was past the line of scrimmage. To get a safety call it has to be clear as day the runner never made it out of the end zone.
I'm not sure
It would have helped to have a replay but Fox had their 21st Century equipment in the Meadowlands for the Cowboys-Giants game.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
There was also....
a block in the back called on san fran on a punt return that was BS, that gave them the ball inside their 5 instead of at midfield (changed field position for most of the 2nd half). Another bad call was a defensive holding called at the end of the game, in which it was actually Offensive pass interference, and Seattle/San Fran would probably have different plays called and there could have been a different result and OT
by sanfranfanmdk on Dec 6, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
On Wilson's fumble return
Did Crabtree get blocked in the back right in front of the official? I usually let cheap stuff like that go without mention but since the cheap stuff got called on us…
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
That punt return block in the back was correct.
There were some bad calls in this game but that certainly wasn’t one of them.
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
by Fearless Frog on Dec 6, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
Cold weather.
“it was frickin’ cold out there”
“Hasslebeck and Smith were throwing pretty hard out there, and it’s not like the Niners are used to playing in sub-freezing temperatures”
Why no Gloves?
i'll find the silver linings
in 100 yards and a TD, and also that he leads the league in TD’s, no not for a TE, LEADS THE LEAGUE
Quote of the day
From comments on the SF Gate (yeah I can be a masochist)
Smith seems to lack that special something to win…Montana had it, Yoiung had it…Nate the Great has it.
People are amazing.
You lost me at "comments on the SF Gate."
That place breeds more stupidity than Yahoo! Answers.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Remember
When they used to say the same thing about Steve Young with regard to big games, i,e, the Super Bowl!
And Payton Manning and Tony Dungy got similar criticisms.
Jon Elway, too.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, considering my options included Brett Favre and Ben Roethlisberger,
it’s pretty embarrassing that I chose John and still misspelled it.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree...
James’ logic re. Smith is flawed, but he speaks to a larger issue.. ie. Smith’s inability to lead his team to victory. Smith has a number of games to prove himself, and has consistently failed to do so. I don’t hate him- he seems like a good guy. But it seems to me that people are wowed by his statistical output today, without noticing his failures. “Lies, damn lies, and statistics…”
by give me the rock on Dec 6, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
With all the bad calls, poor play, i.e. in the fourth quarter, a star quarterback leads his team to the endzone when they most need him. Smith consistently fails. 1-16? on 3rd downs, and Smith has no responsibility for this at all? Btw, instead of talking crap, why don’t you attempt to dissprove what I said, like, I don’t know, an intelligent adult?
by give me the rock on Dec 6, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
4th quarters
Alex Smith may not have the late game abilities of Joe Montana, but he’s shown an ability at times. Regular season opener against Arizona he led the 49ers on an 86-yard drive to beat Arizona 20-17. In 2006 he helped the 49ers put up a ton of points in the 4th quarter up in Seattle.
Obviously that’s only two examples, but people sometimes act like he throws a pick every single late game drive. It’s more just a matter of inconsistency. Maybe he’s not great, but he’s nowhere near as bad as people have you believe. After all, that prior drive that led to the tying field goal was a pretty high pressure situation. Smith drove them down and had a game-winning TD dropped by Vernon Davis.
If Davis doesn’t drop a pass he should have held on to, people are singing a different tune.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Fooch
Guys like the rock and James3000 don’t care about logic.
Smith could win the Superbowl and throw 4TDs and they’d still hate him because he didn’t throw 5.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
You're right...
I am illogical, because it’s the epitome of logic to blame the 49ers loss on a couple of old guys in zebra uniforms. Btw, I don’t hate Smith. Distorting someone else’s point to an absurd level is a part of false logic, if I recall.
by give me the rock on Dec 6, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
whatever
I’m not going to waste my time arguing with people that can’t form an intelligent, coherent response. Good luck in life, man.
by give me the rock on Dec 6, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
oh as in intelligent and coherent you mean
blaming the guy who played better than anyone else that he is responsible for losing?
everybody needs to calm down
On all sides.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
so calm
in an “I just submitted a half ass paper because this day sucked so bad, and I couldn’t make any additions” kind of way lol
nice
I’m just thankful I don’t have a final tomorrow. Today was mostly a lost day.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
I have a presentation tomorrow
In the “Philosophy of Experimentation” yikes!! good thing my professor is really famous and I’m totally blowing this one
response
I really do want to know your thoughts on my comment above.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Give you the rock
I hope you are smikin’ it alone!
Black Sand Ninja Here!!
Ban the Trolls, FF find a new home!!
Fooch
You make a good point. However, it seems to me that losing teams, and by extension, their fans, perpetually blame loses on officials, play call, etc. while good teams seem to “steal” wins at the last minute, like the Saints did today. What if’s are great and all, but ultimately unhelpful. Montana had receivers drop passes, as did Young, but they fought through it and persevered. If Smith is our best option, then fine. But I don’t understand the level of vitriol on this site when someone dares to question Mr. Smith’s ability to play at the pro level. It’s like you insulted their mother or something.
by give me the rock on Dec 6, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
The vitriol comes because blaming this game on Smith is really really stupid.
Every other person on offense except maybe Josh Morgan deserves way more blame than Smith, and this is abundantly ridiculously clear. Smith had a very good game with a couple bad throws on the last drive. Of course, that last play didn’t have anyone underneath so he couldn’t have thrown it short and the other pass wasn’t actually that bad, but still: he is getting blamed when he shouldn’t.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
this is a joke
unless you are drinking fwoty oz’s?? is that a west coast slang thing, people die in Oakland every day you know
Tell me more about this Oakland you speak of.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
by LongLiveLangerhans on Dec 6, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
SMITH 4 FIELDUR
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
If Dwight Clark drops The Catch
Then Montana doesn’t have that special something.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Smith has a 13-23 record. He has a gift for losing.
And you can’t blame it all on the team. The Niners aren’t a 2-14 team anymore, and the games Smith is losing are to mediocre teams too.
I’ve been saying it over and over tha that last series was classic Smith. Throw two low percentage passes to use no clock, deep in your own end zone, in a tie game, to give the other team a chance to kick a field goal. Even in the possession before that was classic loser Smith, throw low percentage passes, to give the other team time to win.
Look at the Chicago game, Cutler threw five interceptions and still had a first and goal chance to win at the last second.
There are some quarterbacks who find a way to win at the last minute, but there are some quarterbacks like Smith who’ll give in to inner demons and say to themselves ’I’m going to lose this game’ and they somehow make that possible. That is Alex Smith and his 13-23 records, 2-4(should be 1-5 if Cutler doesn’t do his best Alex Smith impression).
I’m not even going to advocate Shaun Hill returning. This season is lost. Put in Davis. Smith is a lost cause and will always lose if put in the position to lose.
He's in his fifth year. This isn't abou rookie. Name a time he was able to lead a team to win in the fourth quarter.
…usually he will lose the game in the forth.
Smith shills like using the straw man argument. There is no excuse for his last two throws. I couldn’t have scripted it better in how to lose with only 50 seconds left in a tie game. That throw should have been an interception.
13-23 record, 13-23 record. 2-4 in 2009. 2-4 in 2009. Most of those six teams had losing records, even worse than the Niners.
huh?
Smith is a lost cause and will always lose if put in the position to lose.
I shouldn’t be feeding this, but that comment seems to indicate somebody else is putting him in a position to lose.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
despair
This isn’t quite for the grammar police, but maybe the vocabulary police?
I reached rock bottom an hour ago, but I think I’m rebounding. I went back to studying for my Corporations final (a week from tomorrow) and I think that was a good distraction.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
LOL that's probably the first and last time
the word Corporation and good distraction are used in the same sentence. Uggh! Corp Law, never studied it but had to trudge thru enough transcripts while debugging code to make me so not envy you. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Tha last series is the example. 1st and ten on their own 10, 50 seconds left.
That’s your mission Alex Smith lose it.
Okay. Step one. Don’t make a first down. Opps, second and short. Need a throw a terrible pass on second down, Third down throw an interception, opps, incomplete. But okay Seattle still has two time outs, will get the ball midfield and they’ll only need a field goal to win.
Even that second to last series, a QB that is a winner would play to win the game. Not score quickly, just try to get a first down, knowing they could tie at any time and leave them with less clock.
That pass to Davis was catchable, but was a little high and behind him, it was understandable that TD could drop it. Again it still would have left plenty of time for the other team to win.
Yep and I've seen ..
both Brady and Manning do that kind of thing as well. And last I checked I think they could be defined as winning QBs.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Alex Smith has a 13-23 record and has never had a winning last minute drive.
He is 1 and a half wins this season with 4 and a half loses.( I refuse to count that Chicago game as a win. Cutler threw five interceptions and still had a first and goal chance to win.)
THe Niners have been playing some terrible teams and they still only can manage a 2-4 record with Smith and I’ve stated time and time again that that last series was classic loser Smith.
Smith fans defend that last series.
You mission Alex Smith lose the game with first and ten on your own ten with 50 seconds left. Special bonus points go to losing it in regulation, without throwing an interception. With your 50 seconds leave enough time for the opposing team to actually have time to have a drive.
Alex Smith basically says ‘no problem. I don’t have a 13-23 record for nothing’.
He's had several game winning
2 minute drill wins. And I know you’re a troll cause I’m a professional at an MMA site… But the secret to trolling properly is to turn FACTS on their head. Something you suck shit at. Get better at trolling noob.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 6, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
There is something bizzare about this loss... besides Delanie being tackled in the end zone
and besides a completely unnecessary PR reverse…and besides using 3 timeouts in the first 9 minutes…besides the fact that VD had 100 yards and a TD and still failed us…besides the fact that Smith threw for 300+ for the first time ever and yet we were 1/16 on 3rd downs???
Whats bizarre about this loss is that all of the above happened and we LOST to the Seahawks!!
BIZZARO BIZZARO…bizzaro world
An offensive line that can't open up holes
There is a lot that happened today. A lot to unravel regarding special teams, defense and offense.
One simple observation is that the offensive line is unable to push people around enough to open up holes for a normal running game. That is a big handicap to start form and, considering that obvious missing dimension, the offense had some impressive moments, marred by some drops and bad calls etc.
Having Alex Smith play well is like having an extra high pick in the draft. It enables us to focus of real and critical needs: oline, secondary…
by zacksf on Dec 6, 2009 7:14 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Yep well said
I don’t believe in moral victories but I do believe in looking toward the future and trying to learn from mistakes. I am glad to see Alex seeming to learn some things at last. I also have high hopes that Sing will do some hard looking at himself as well as the team. Both are needed.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Not that they're playing all that great
But I was thinking today during the game that some of this blame may be misplaced……Gore is just not moving out of the backfield with any explosion. Most runs he stutters up to the line and runs into somebody. Hard to tell but he may have lost a step and is making everyone look bad because the assumption is clearly that he’s still got it.
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 6, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
yeah you know
As much as Steve Young appeared to be on a random radio rant, thats an RRR, he made a good point.
Gore's been tentaive
Even with Smith under Center and back when Hill was QB. I think he too does not trust the blocking and just puts his head down and tries to hit in the first opening he sees. Can’t blame him but it has hurt the offense.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Happy to see the Vikings lose
Good thing to know that we didn’t blow this opportunity by ourselves…thanks Brett
by the way Brett
Its the least you could do after throwing a no-look TD pass to beat us in week 3 with 4 seconds left.
ya looks like our season was over anyways
once the cardinals win tonight, but it still doesnt make our loss any easier. but hey i guess we get a better draft pick. were tied with the panthers haha
LOL Starts singing Monty Python (and not I'm a lumber jack)
I hear “always look on the bright side of life” it’s oddly appropriate at times.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yes possibly
i wont be so angry if we loose another game though because i know were atleast getting a better player…..still would have rather had the playoffs though
I'd rather see us end on a relative high note
I’d like it if we beat Philly and win out the next 3 that would be a good sign otherwise we’d have to think more about needs in the draft
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
but i just dont see us beating philly and beating the rams and lions doesnt exactly give me hope for anything special
Some things I liked today (grasping at staws edition)
I liked the continued attempts to go for it on 4th and short; it won’t always work, but I think that overall, the reward is worth the risk. Keep it up!
Also, am I wrong in thinking that the 49ers tried to block a couple of punts in the first half? It seems to me like they should be going after them every time; only bad things seem to happen when there’s a 49ers returning readying himself under the ball.
Uh, hm. I dunno. Is it good that it’s not the talent levels that are holding them back (OL unit aside), but execution? If you’ve just got crappy players, you’re pretty screwed whatever you do, but if you’ve got decent players doing dumb things, that’s gotta be easier to fix, right?
Right?
oh.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does
A second positive note, Ahmad Brooks.
Ahmad Brooks seems to be coming along, which also helps us focus our draft priorities. The pass rush, esp with Haralson, McDonald, Smith and Brooks, looked very good at times. (Nice safety blitz also in the 1st half.)
Brooks was good today
Got really involved in pass rush situations.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Truth be told, the 49ers aren’t going to find a rookie OLB to make an immediate impact in the pass rush. It’s ok to draft for it, just don’t expect it to show up in 2010.
McDonald has been improving also
I think. He is also 25 years old (young).
-That was a nice play where Haralson and Brooks met at the QB in the 1st qtr.
yeah I think we will have some flexibility in this draft
1st pick OLine 2nd pick OLine 3rd pick O line….
Brooks was very good today
not just on the pass rush, but in the open field as well. He is a very big guy with the speed to go along with it.
A lot of people thought we could be one game back going into next week
As it turns out, it’ll probably be three games. That’s a pretty big difference.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
How often do the Niners do that weird reverse thing on the punt returns?
I’d consider that one of the turning points of the game. Gave us free points.
It feels like that play is not being examined enough.
ME! BANE!
we used it several times last year with Clements getting the ball
However, last year we had an experienced returner, Rossum (who we cut for no good reason), who was responsible for the 1st part of the execution aka not running into the guy you are going to hand it to
shock, maybe?
It was such a bizarro play that I think people remained stunned. Among other posts for the coming days I’m putting together a special teams post (obviously focusing on punt returns).
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
bizarro
My use of bizarro usually comes from Seinfeld.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ok LOL you guys are making me feel old
if SeaQuest and Seinfeld is where you remember hearing the word bizarro then that makes me feel real old cuz I remember it as from the man that I think coined it, the writer of the Superman comics that had a “villain” of Superman that was named Bizarro.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
There's not much to examine there
it sucked in every possible way.
Way too risky with the guys we had in.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
after that last remark by Al Michaels
I agree with Leno, he’s a muppet. LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply actions
I guess...
the 49ers are getting a high round 1 pick next year after all: their own.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
yeah
I’m very disappointed in the performance of the secondary, there seems to be more talent there? I don’t know which position I would fill first?
Not disagreeing I guess but "talent"?
I thought so in the preseason but when the real season began it seemed otherwise. We have Shawntae, and Brown is ok and could turn out. Nate is getting a bit long in the tooth. And Dre is gone next year and was it the Vikings game when his showboating led to us losing control of the ball due to losing the ball and giving it back to them? Goldson may be ok but the verdict is yet to be seen. How old is Lewis and isn’t he out of here pretty soon? Then you have Mark Roman, nuff said.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
If they keep playing like this it wouldn't surprise me.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Calais Campbell is so much better than LoJack
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
by Fearless Frog on Dec 6, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Cardinals are now playing for a first week bye. Definitely will out class the Niners next week.
Now with nothing to gain, I think Alex Smith could actually have another decent week, of course they’ll lose but I’m thinking less than two touchdowns. IF this was a must win game, it would be a 28 point blowout.
Rather than limp into the play-offs
with a suspect secondary and a weak oline.
We need to come back strong next year!
No other team is better positioned to build in the next draft.
yes.. if we look at the future of the div vs. the future of our team
I think we are clearly on the up (so is A. Smith)
Warner is old, and It rains a lot in Seattle
Having Alex Smith playing well
is like getting another “1” or “2”, compared to where we were at the beginning of the season…
the TD to Morgan was the most impressive
because it showed he can do something new, and that his game is getting better
I wasn't a fan either and in a way am still not
but I’ll give him his due. Shaun is ok too but he forces you into a position that you can’t throw to Crabs and VD (and others maybe) and were forced to play either a dink and dunk game (ala Walsh) or a run it run it run it game (ala Jimmy Raye at the beginning of the season)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Next Year...
Well it’s officially over for 2009. Here’s to 2010, a retooled O-Line (finally) and the first playoff game in eight years. Too bad we all have to wait till next September to see what that team looks like.
So, how does Alex Smith's performance change the 49ers plans for the draft?
At first when Shaun Hill struggled every Sunday to move the ball up the field, it seemed that drafting a QB in the first round was a must. But now that Smith has emerged as an average QB at worst (at least statistically), it seems that the 49ers could stand to draft someone else. But I know a 49er fan who tells me he is still suspicious of Smith and is lamented that his ‘hollow statistical performances’ are going to delude the front office into thinking they are set at QB.
Your thoughts?
"For the love of god drop the FF talk everyone."
Smith is starting next year
whether or not he’s the QB of the future remains to be seen.
I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a QB in the later rounds and dropping Hill.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
if you go after another QB
VD could be gone by the time he is ready to play.
Gotta put your money on Smith.
Too many other part of the team need high draft pick help.
Not sue we could get both
and still be able to go Oline with anyone valuable and I’d consider that as high if not a higher need.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Well said and that brings about a point
Do we want to think about a TE in the 3rd or 4th? When he’s gone does Delanie move up to #1 TE?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 6, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
we do need another TE
If we could run with 3 TE’s at one time on the field, think about it…if the D’s are confused because of Davis and Walker imagine a 3rd party
i mean, if he has a QB who can get him the ball
Vernon will be happy here. (And so far that connection has been working out pretty well…)
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