Cardinals 30 - Vikings 17: Final nail in the coffin?
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 8:41 PM PST
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Last Sunday ended with most people excited about a 49ers win, a Panthers loss and a Cardinals loss. This was the bizarro version of that day with Panther Watch taking a hit, and the 49ers playoff chances just about blown to smithereens. The Panthers win doesn't shock many of us given how bad the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are. I can definitely live with that. The Cardinals win also was not exactly stunning. I figured the Vikings might pull it out, but Arizona is a good enough team (even if the final score surprised me a bit).
In the end though, the 49ers brutal loss, coupled with the Cardinals win, has all but sunk the 49ers playoff hopes. The 49ers now sit three games back with four games to go. Even though one of those games is against Arizona, it would take a pretty rare collapse by the Cardinals to blow the division at this point. The 49ers would need to win out and the Cardinals would have to lose 3 of their last 4 games (including the 49ers game) for the 49ers to win the division at 9-7.
Personally I don't think that will happen. At the same time, I'm not going to remove all hope from my heart. There is always a slight chance of a miracle. Maybe it's only slight, but I suppose it's better than nothing. So for now, I'm resigned to the 49ers fate, while still holding the faintest flicker of hope. As I said in one of the other threads, I'm simply not ready for the offseason yet.
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me too
and VD breaking the single season TE record for TDs (and drops).
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 6, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Even if the Cardinals don't lose out
I’d like for us to end up 9-7
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Unfortunately
As I said in one of the other threads, I’m simply not ready for the offseason yet.
No, we still have potential blow out wins against the Lions and Rams. Plus, the Niners can play spoiler against the Eagles and Cards. There’s still plenty enough to follow the remaing 4 weeks, just none of it involves the 49ers in the playoffs.
I think we can beat the Cards
even though they looked very good against Minnesota we seem to match up well against them. We probably lose to Philly and then beat Detroit and St. Louis
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Now that playoff chase is over
Use the time to develop a real offense.
Neither the 2.2 yards and Cloud of Dust or The Greatest Marginal Show on Grass offense is going to work. No more gimmicks, quick fixes, etc. Find a philosophy that uses Gore, VD, Crabtree, Morgan and Smith or it’s never going to work.
by bignerd on Dec 6, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Cofee ain't it either
He’s got the same running style as Gore.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
so you're saying kory sheets WAS our future!
:)
by sleepyotter on Dec 6, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hehe
And Shaun Hill had cat-like instincts.
BTW bignerd I rec’d your comment—I think it’s something that needs doing.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I don’t see any viable Pro running backs that would be both available and effective in a spread offense unless NO is ready to give up Reggie Bush . . . but the Saints couldn’t make Reggie Bush work in their semi-spread offense.
Maybe the kid from Cal? I don’t follow the college season. Are there any shifty RB’s that would be fit the description of a spread style RB?
for real though
what would that entail? good lateral movement and good hands? Bush is horrible laterally, almost as bad as McFadden.
I would imagine they would have to have quick lateral moves, good vision and burst, but not nec. fast?
I hate to say that Bush is a bust
because he’s been a decent back, but he’s sure not performed to his hype and that’s with the New Orleans offense.
He’d be horrible with us.
I’m liking the idea of C. J. Spiller more and more.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Later in the 1st
I think using any of our firsts on him is a reach
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
yeah
if he went in the first it would be too high
unless we get a good OT elsewhere
we could use him as a return man
He will go early 1st and will be worth it
Black Sand Ninja Here!!
Ban the Trolls, FF find a new home!!
We need an O-line that can run block first
They seem to have gotten much better in pass protection but they still can’t run-block effectively
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 6, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Y'know I can get behind this
Every once in awhile you say something I agree with.
It really feels like Raye has re-written the entire playbook midseason.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
we win the final 2 games of the season
we go 7-9 and draft probably around 12.
panthers go 5-11 with 4 straight losses to NE, vikings, giants, saints
we get a top 10 draft pick
get eric berry and brian bulaga
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 6, 2009 8:56 PM PST reply actions
Or D.Warren
Haden is very good but I don’t like that he’s only like 5-9….let the Broncos draft him
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 6, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
i hope we go 8-8, but yeah
the rest of the season should be used for Alex to get a better rapport going with his receivers. reduce the droppage!
Also, (and this if we play AZ and lose) work Coffee into it a lot more and get him exposed to the game
I’d take 8-8. It shows a one game improvement. The 49ers needed breaks to have a better record and they really didn’t get those this season.
They were a .500 last year. Only added one player in Crabtree and guess what, around .500 this season. There were few areas of improvement but I think countered by a slightly more difficult schedule.
are the raiders better than us?
their 4 wins have come against: Steelers, Bengals, Eagles, Chiefs
our 5 wins have come against: Cards, Hawks, Jags, Rams, Bears
York > Davis
But just barely. And as they say, “shit rolls downhill”. Niners are going in the right direction much quicker than the Raiders.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
no swearing here outside of game threads
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
As they say, "feces rolls downhill". My pardons.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
no worries
Hopefully all the 49ers fans here got the swearing out in our first recap thread.
by David Fucillo on Dec 6, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
swearing is fun though, Fooch
don’t forge that!
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I wish we got to play in your Division!!!
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 7, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Let's say we win next week, 6-7
and Cards are 8-5. The lions hung in tough with Cincy on the road, so the lions may upset them at ford field. And say we beat the Eagles, then OMG the Niners are only one game back of the Cardinals and NN goes crazy. 2 weeks can change a lot of things, yeah we probably aren’t going to make it, but miracles can happen.
I guess it's not mathematically impossible
but it’s almost impossible.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Not sure
how some of you have all this optimism. I am one of the most optimistic people, but I have switched into offseason mode.
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
I was full of it
but after this week, it all went away.
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
The Cardinals' charter jet has better odds of pulling a Buddy Holly than the above scenario...
…and you forget that Warner has the direct line to the Miracle Hotline with the Almighty.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
I was there two weeks ago because i was mathematically possible and logical
But now, it would be nice but I’m not setting up any expectations that require us to win in Philly the same Sunday AZ has to lose at Detroit.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Nice Photo Fooch:
Where’d you find that classic photo?
It is all about coming together as a team. At the end of the day, the team is all we have. - T. Branch 10-14-09
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Dec 6, 2009 9:18 PM PST reply actions
That Viking game absolutely Killed us, 2 seconds from being 3-0..
i had a feeling that would change our season. Things would have been a whole lot different had that favre miracle not have happened.
Seriously
Favre screwed us twice this year,
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
well, I should be at the monday night game
so there’s that. anybody have a jersey I can wear?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
I can loan my Cardinals Garrison Hearst jersey...that way no one knows who you're rooting for.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
OT against the Jets, oh yeah.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
But but but..
He’s the face of the franchise!
by mountaindew77 on Dec 6, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
And he gives speeches...
Would “Football Night in America” be as much fun as it is if the Jets weren’t basically writing Olbermann’s material?
He's.....
The Sanchise!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 6, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
actually i can get a lawson #99 for 20 bucks
but… eh, lawson
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
You think you could hook me up with a Druckenmiller jersey on the cheap?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I'm gonna need a Haynes beefy tee
and a red sharpie
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
He leads the team in sacks, no?
And he’s got like 3 FFs too.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 6, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but I think Patrick Willis actually killed a guy.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
We'll see them again in the playoffs . . . next season.
I’d call the 49ers “Next Season’s Playoff Team” but that is a Cowboy reference and another team from Texas already holds that title
Playoffs went away with today's loss
The AZ victory was the final nail, but had the Niners won even that could’ve been overcome by winning today. They’d still be two back in the division and in the WC hunt. Now? Hoping for a heartbreaking 9-7 record that leaves us out of the payoffs by one game (today) or a tie breaker, or a competitive yet frustrating 8-8 finish. They could actually finish .500 with a 5-1 division record, sweeping the team that wins the West. I’ll take the wins and continued progress by Smith, Davis, Crabtree & Richal, with a Christmas list asking for a top notch RT, kick returner, outside pass rusher and speedy nickel corner/safety.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Just a few pieces away
I think that our record is really good considering everything that has happened. Key injuries, midseason QB change, midseason philosophy change, adding a #1 WR midseason, losing 6 games by 7 points or less.
I’d say as we near the end of the season we are looking like the Green Bay Packers of last year. Putting up great stats, coming together as a team, but losing close games. They finished 6-10 and are the leaders in the wild card (assuming they win tomorrow).
I know people want to call for firings and whatnot. But give us some continuity. Let the offense go into an offseason knowing they have the same philosphy, same QB, same starters (except an o-lineman maybe). Get the defense some help, get a return man. The team will be good. For once we actually have a promising team. We have the playmakers, just need some time to gel.
"We want WINNERS!" - Coach Singletary
5 wins going into week 13...
Isn’t good, and really, the 49ers have been pretty inconsistent to chaotic. Also, no way does this team look like GB from last year.
Well, we're waiting....
As much as I hate this comparison
As I dislike all things Raiders, but this team is reminding me of the 1999 Raiders, Gruden’s second year as HC. After their awful season of 4-12 in ’97, they went 8-8 in both ’98 and ’99, the latter of which included a bunch of close losses, primarily due to late blown leads and poor special teams (kicker for them). In ’98 they were .500 but got outscored significantly by their opponents, which was corrected the following year though they had the same record. I recall people wondering if Gruden was more than an OC and if Gannon was more than an okay journeyman QB.
The Niners are obviously heading toward an equivalent or near same record as last season, though they are clearly a better team than last year. A good draft class with continued maturing of the current young players and continuity at OC, QB and the skill positions can turn half of these close losses into wins. That’s how a team jumps from 8-8 to 12-4, as Gruden’s team did in his third season.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
How about instead of straight up deeming these two comparisons weak, you actually explain yourself and make your case?
by tedler on Dec 7, 2009 3:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He doesn't like doing that
When he’s in his moods he’d rather throw out something negative instead of debate. On the rare occasions he tries that, once you corner him he gets even uglier. His football mind doesn’t expand much beyond cynicism.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Bwah!..
Your Psychoanalysis is just as banal as your posts on football.
Unbelievable.
Well, we're waiting....
How did I know you'd chime in and disagree?
Anything positive, whether based on opinion, fact, logic, statistics or the eyeball test is always going to be in disagreement with you. You revel in the negative. You probably enjoy that they lost yesterday, lest the Monday night game have real meaning.
Roll in the mud of mediocre thinking and pessimism all you want. As for your AFC West pre-2002, are you aware that in that period of time (1999 – 2004) Oakland was the only team to win a playoff game? So the West, while competitive within the division, was no strong group. Like our division. I stand by my opinion. You stand by your pessimism. No surprise on either count.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
It isn't pessimism...
For one thing, Gruden scrapped his QB’s after his first year. He had Jeff George audibling out of his plays and pissing him off. He had Donald Hollas for crying out loud. He also had Shanahan, Holmgren, Scottenhiemer in his division, which had 5 teams within it. His offense improved considerably each year, along with his defense. That was a pure Gruden team that he built with key Vets. That team trended upwards each year in one of the most competitive divisions in post cap football.
I find your post boring and rather stupid. It has no value at all here.
Well, we're waiting....
Most competitive?
Yeesh, yeah, zero playoff wins for anyone other than Oakland from 1999 – 2004. Real deep division. The lone SB appearance was a down year for the AFC, when 11-5 got you homefield in the AFC but 12-4 got you a home game on bye weekend in the NFC.
Yes, you can be boring. Stupid? Likely, though I don’t care enough to name call. Everyone can see you for themselves.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Again..
Gruden went 8-8 his first year with George and Hollas at QB.
Playing in a Division where you have 5 teams, 3 of who have hovered in or around .500 or better is different than say, being in a division where 4 struggle to get to .500.
But keep telling us how Singletary built this current team. He drafted and picked the players, and installed his own offense. You do realize you’re comparing Singletary to Gruden, don’t you?
Oops, you left out that part.
Well, we're waiting....
I like Gruden
But don’t view him with the reverance you do. His Raiders teams never made the SB. He then took Dungy’s team to the SB, but when required to maintain that team never won a single playoff game.
As much as he did change the culture when he arrived in Oakland, and deserves all the credit for doing so, Davis and Allen brought in the players. Perhaps, as you bring up Hollas and George, many of us fans will remember SIng’s first 14 games as having JTO and Hill.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Taking the Raiders..
to an AFC Championship to lose to a stellar defense in BAL isn’t no small thing. He may have won an SB with a Dungy team, but he beat a team he built in that same SB. Besides, I think TAM’s issues are cap ones. That doesn’t help.
As far as the JTO-Hill thingy: IIRC, George got canned because he told the Media he was injured before the team addressed it. He basically pulled himself off of the team. He also hated Gruden’s offense. I don’t see how that applies to the 49ers and Singletary.
Well, we're waiting....
I just hope we smash the Cards on MNF next week
That is all I have left to hope for this season
We met in a past life and you were wrong then too
This is just like Walsh's first two seasons...
1979 2 14 4th in NFC West - - - -
1980 6 10 3rd in NFC West - - - -
1981 13 3 1st in NFC West 3 0 1.000 Super Bowl XVI Champions.
Yes, it even takes a football genius a few years to adjust to being a head coach in the NFL and to turn a loosing franchise around. Not that Sing is a football genius, but let’s face it we all knew deep down this would take some time. I for one will gladly take 8-8 or 7-9 for a playoff run in 2010. That would be a year ahead of schedule as well.
Right when our franchise QB went down with a catastrophic injury
Sounds like as good a time as any to get back to it
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
The 1979 team was absolutely atrocious
And they were even worse in 1978 (although they finished with the same record).
The team showed dramatic improvement as soon as Bill Walsh stepped in.
The 2009 49ers are just a little better than the 2008 49ers.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 7, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
We're actually a much better team than last year
Last year at week 12 we were 3 and 9. This year we’re 5 and 7. Last year we had one loss by 7 points or less (our second AZ game). This year six of our losses are by 7 points or less, with 3 of them being decided by 3 points or less.
Last year at this time we had been outscored 265 to 294. This year we’ve actually had more total points than our opponents 245 to 233 (the shutout at St. Louis dramatically effects that overall total).
I’d say that we’re definitely a much better team and right on the cusp of greatness.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
The STL point spread
Is equaled by the aberration vs Atlanta. Both were 35 points so it still says something that they’ve scored more than they’ve allowed even at 5-7.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
LIKE A SIDEWARD STOCK GOING NOWHERE
Year Record (W-L)
2004 2-14
2005 4-12
2006 7-9
2007 5-11
2008 7-9
2009 5-7 (TBD)
by More False Hope on Dec 7, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
05 Smiths first season
06 Smith coming on…. 07 catastrophic shoulder injury #1 and 2… 08 out with the 3rd surgery
09 mid season Smith comes back and team revamps its scheme.
2010 – 11-5 Niners lose to the Saints in the NFC championship game 28-17
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Not a good Monday.
This has got to be the worst “day after” feeling I’ve had in a long time. Bad enough its a Monday but now I have nothing much to cheer about for the remainder of the season.
Yesterday’s game just about sums up the Niners season thus far. Too many close games and that they couldn’t finish.
Put out to the prairie - might as well go somewhere now
It quite possibly was the 49ers overlooking the challenge again to something in the distant future, but Seattle had the win booked in the first Qtr in my humble opinion. I can’t understand how things worked out the way they did in AZ last night too (doesnt it suck that the Cards have had the pleasure of hosting so many of those tough teams that we had to face and lose on the road to?)
Playoffs are gone now – I appreciate the optimism, but mine was back when I was drinking the kool aid with everyone else early in the season. Now SF has been run out of Deadwood cause they can’t compete with the best – they’re stuck on the desolate prairies. The only thing they can do now is make their own roads elsewhere and salvage their own record for themselves and the fans. 8-8 would be great in my opinion.
I’ve got a couple of tickets going to Philadelphia for the game – looks like a spoiler opportunity now, but at least I can share a story of how violent the Eagles fans can be if the Niners pull the upset. Wish me luck…and a prayer perhaps if you can spare one.
That Philly game should be quite an experience
Though I’ve been told the Linc is more visitor friendly (as long as you aren’t wearing the blue of either Dallas or NYG) than the Vet was. Even if the Niners lose you know it’ll be in some heartbreaking or frustrating manner, by seven or less. So the people in Philly will likely be on edge.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I STILL HAVE FAITH....
I could care less what the naysayer have to say. i still have hope and i am still proud of how this team has responded from last year. Its not like we were blown out every game like in years past. There are many things to look forward to. 1.) looks like we found our #1 QB 2.) we have an offense that looks like it will be very productive for years to come 3.) we will be in great position to get a good OL men and Pass Rusher in the draft
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"
Looks like we aren't going anyway-- again
Leave the stadium empty. There is no reason to support losing.
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