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Niners Nation Official Offseason Fanpost 12/7/09

FOOCH'S NOTE: Consider this our current Official thread for draft and offseason discussion


Not to take anything from drew k or smileyman they have done a wonderful job in keeping this thread alive.  I on the other hand can't wait to discuss what is obviously the only thing to look forward to as a Niner fan.  Yeah guys and gals, ol' Optimist Prime is not so optimistic anymore.  After a 3 point loss to the horrible Seahawks we find ourselves at 5-7 with bleek hopes for a playoff spot.

I want to turn attention to the offseason in this thread and kindly ask that everyone chime in and provide 49er mocks, 1st round mocks, and what you feel our team needs are going forward.

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TOP 5 NCAA RUNNING BACKS

1. C.J. Spiller (click here for highlights at Clemson)

At 5'11" tall and 200 LBS., this RB has it all; Moves, Speed, Agility, Power, Hands, etc...you name it, he's got it. Some people aren't buying the hype on Spiller and others (in the NFL) cannot wait to get them on their roster. Even as a 2nd back or a 3rd down back to start with, Spiller demonstrates the ability to take it to the house any time he touches the ball. Another quality he gives the team that drafts him is the ability to return punts and kickoffs. Whoever lucks out and drafts Spiller next year will benefit a few times from TD's on special teams I suspect. Overall a great pick for any team that is currently struggling in all facets on offense... especially if he goes later on in the 1st.

2. Evan Royster (click here for highlights at Penn State)

Royster could easily be considered a 1st string RB for select teams next season. This past year with Penn State he has consistantly had big games. He is slightly taller than an average RB at 6-1 and is roughly 225 pounds. His hands are a bit questionable but he is a gamebreaker and can bust it wide open at any given time. He has decent moves, decent speed and at times is hard to bring down. I am thinking he will go late 1st or early 2nd. I will be surprised if he goes later. He may fit well somehwere that already has an established RB in place that may be getting up there in age.

3. Johnathon Dwyer (click here for highlights at Georgia Tech)

A.K.A. "The D-Train" or "The Diesel". The one thing that could be said about Dwyer is that he runs the ball very hard every time he gets it. Never takes a play off and provides good blocking out of the backfield on pass plays. At 6'0" 235 LBS, Dwyer is very much considered to be a north and south type of guy...a power back if you will. He has displayed good hands out of the backfield and is a very solid pick. My thoughts are that he will go mid to late 2nd and probably be 2nd string with moderate playing time next year in the NFL.

4. Jahvid Best (click here for highlights at California)

5'10" 200 LBS, Best has received attention lately due to his injuries. He is a local guy that alot of people living in the bay area would like to see playing for the 49ers. Best is very quick and very shifty. Like Spiller, he can take it to the house any time he touches the ball. Toward the end of the season his stock has dropped some due to a pair of concusions; the last of the two looked deadly as it happend. Although he has dropped some, a team will be very fortunate to pick him up in the 2nd or possibly 3rd round. I will look for Best to at first primarily be a return guy. I am not so sure he will be an every down type of back in the NFL but the RB certainly does not lack the homerun factor. Alot of comparisons have been made to Reggie Bush.

5. Ben Tate (click here for highlights at Auburn)

Tate is a good back that will fit well in to any offense. Auburn has ran him in many different looks and I think that Pro scouts will consider that very much. He stands 5'11" tall and weighs about 220 give or take a few pounds. He has the ability to crush it up the middle or he has speed enough to bounce it to the outside. Although he has decent enough speed to get it to the outside, I don' think he has speed enough in the NFL to do what he has done in college on the outside. I look for Tate to go somewhere in the early to mid 3rd round.

Honorable Mention:

Noel Devine (click here for highlights at West Virginia)

Kendall Hunter (click here for highlights at Oklahoma State) 

 

TOP 5 NCAA WIDE RECEIVERS

1. Dez Bryant (click here for highlights at Oklahoma State)

Bryant in my opinion will be the very first WR picked in the draft despite what happened with the whole Deion Sanders thing and for good reason. Brilliant would be a word appropriate to describe some of the amazing catches he has made. Whenever there was a crucial time to catch a ball, he came up clutch. His game will translate well in to the NFL and he will be starting somewhere next year making plays. His speed is on par with what a WR's should be in the NFL and he catches the ball very well. He is on the larger side for a WR at 6'2" 220 and will make defensive backs pay for trying to tackle him.

2. Damian Williams (click here for highlights at USC)

Williams has pimped his stock status (as the rapper Xzibit would say) late in the year. He has proven that he is a leader and he may be starting as a number two wideout or a slot guy. Williams is one of the faster WR's coming out this year and has made some really good plays for the Trojans while playing for them. He is an average sized WR at 6'1" 190" but makes up for it by shaking people loose. I look for Williams to go late in the 1st or early 2nd.

3. Arrelious Benn (click here for highlights at Illinois)

AKA "Rejus". Much like Bryant he is on the bigger side of what a WR typically is at 6'2" 220. Benn did not have the best year statistically but has made big plays in big games. This is important because when NFL scouts are at games, the big plays tend to stand out. Benn has done this often enough to get himself recognized as one of the top prospects going in to the NFL. I switched Benn with Williams from the previous week and meant to have Williams ahead of Benn originally. Benn will most likely go in the 2nd sometime.

 4. Brandon LaFell (click here for highlights at LSU)

Lafell could quite possibly go higher than this if he does well at the combine. His field awareness is incredible and he has bailed his QB out of some jams this year. He does drop passes sometimes but I am unsure if it is on par with what is acceptable from a pro scouts perspective. His moves after the catch are pretty fun to watch. Overall, he is well deserving of being in the top 5 WR's picked. Lafell is tall at 6'3" and weighs 205 LBS but is deceptively fast for his height. It will not surprise me if his stock is bumped up before the draft.

5. Marshawn Gilyard (click here for highlights at Cincinnati)

This WR is very light and very quick. His ability to go after a ball that is a little off here or there has helped Tony Pike in his campaign to be considered among the top QB's in the league. Gilyard was Pike's favorite target at Cincinnati and he earned it by giving him an absolute target. I was torn on putting Gilyard at this spot and wanted to put either "Bey Bey" Thomas from Georgia Tech, Jacoby Ford from Clemson, or Dezmon Briscoe from Kansas. Gilyard is just super fast and has that homerun feel to him.

Honorable Mention:

Demaryius Thomas (click here for highlights at Georgia Tech) rlott#42's good find!

Jacoby Ford (click here for highlights at Clemson)

 

 

Here now is the piece on the Free Agents written by smileyman. Enjoy!

RB FREE AGENTS


There are some well known running backs coming out in Free Agency next year (assuming that we get a new CBA of course). If the Niners need to we should be able to land one of them without too much difficulty. Here are the best free agents based on their production this year, plus a couple who didn't make the leaderboard but are intriguing possibilities.


1. Ronnie Brown (Click here for highlights)
Age: 27
Seasons: 5th
Status: UFA (RFA if no new CBA)
Salary: $9.3 million
Stats: 147 attempts, 648 yards, 4.4 ypc, 8 TDs
Summary: Brown was placed on IR November 18th ending his season. Ricky Williams is the more productive back for that team, gaining more ypc, as well as being a threat through the air. Ronnie Brown's injury may have hurt his FA prospects as teams will be leery of signing a RB with a foot problem. With Ricky Williams planning on retiring at the end of the 2010 season I'll be surprised if Brown doesn't sign an extension with Miami.


2. Pierre Thomas (Click here for highlights)
Age: 24
Seasons: 3rd
Status: RFA
Salary: $375,760
Stats: 116 carries, 648 yards. 5.6 ypc. 20 receptions for 135 yards.
Summary: The Saints are severely underpaying Thomas. However, being that he's a restricted free agent I expect them to tender the highest RFA offer to him or extend his contract. I'm not sure that he's worth trading draft picks for.

 


3. Cadillac Williams (Click here for highlights)
Age: 27
Seasons: 5th season
Status: UFA (RFA if no new CBA)
Salary: $3.2 million
Stats: 127 carries, 480 yards, 3.9 ypc, only 3 TDS. 19 receptions for 129 yds.
Summary: I'm not sure that Williams was worth the 5th overall pick that Tampa Bay used on him. He had 1178 yards his rookie season and since then has been injury plagued and hasn't broken the 1000 yard mark. It's doubtful if he'll do it this year either. Some team somewhere will want him but not for his current salary.


4. Darren Sproles (Click here for highlights)
Age: 26
Seasons: 4th season
Salary: $6.6 million
Stats: 69 attempts, 227 yards, 3.3 ypc, 1 TD.
Summary: San Diego has definitely gotten value from Sproles. Picked in the 4th round (130th overall) he as contributed to the team as a change of pace back and return man extraordinare. The stats don't tell the whole story on Sproles. The Chargers thought enough of him last year to franchise him (thus the $6 million salary). They won't franchise him again, and I don't think that they want to pay that kind of money for a long term deal. I doubt any other team will be willing to pay $6.6 million/yr for a back that doesn't play every down either. He should be worth going after, just not at that price.

 


5. Leon Washington (Click here for highlights)
Age: 27
Seasons: 4th season
Salary: $451,000
Stats: 72 attempts, 331 yards, 4.6 ypc. 15 receptions, 131 yds.
Summary: As with Sproles the stats don't tell the whole story with Leon Washington. He's a shifty runner, who is best used as a change of pace back. His stats this year are way down since he was placed on IR in October. He's a good kick returner as well. Him being hurt should make him cheaper to pick up and his name recognition is lower than Sproles' as well. I think he's also worth going after.


Some other notable names in FA


Jerius Norwood (26) (Click for highlights)
Chester Taylor (29) (Click for highlights)
Willie Parker (28) (Click for highlights)


Of the running backs I would think that Sproles and Washington will both be available if we want them. Sproles will probably get a contract in the $3 million range, but we should be able to get Leon Washington for much less if we want to.

 

 


WR FREE AGENTS

1. Vincent Jackson (Click here for highlights)
Age: 26
Seasons: 5th season
Salary: $524,320
Stats: 49 Rec, 815 yards, 7 TDs
Summary: Until last year Vincent Jackson was merely a solid #2 or #3 WR. Last year he had a career year with 1098 yards on 59 receptions. This year he's on pace to do even better. San Diego is in a tough position this offseason with Sproles, Jackson, and McNeil all being UFAs. It looks as if Jackson is just hitting his stride and could be a very interesting pickup for us.


2. Brandon Marshall (Click here for highlights)
Age: 25
Seasons: 4th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $2.2 million
Stats: 58 receptions, 714 yards, 6 TDs.
Summary: Brandon Marshall is a true #1 receiver. His salary is actually inflated because he hit bonuses in his rookie contract--otherwise he would just be paid league minimum this year. It's understandable why he held out at the beginning of the year. He feels like he should be paid more and his play demonstrates that. Since becoming a starter in 2007 Marshal has put up very impressive numbers (1325 yds in 2007, 1265 yds in 2008). He's also been troubled off the field. He seems reconciled to Josh McDaniles now so I expect Denver to resign him. If they don't there will be lots of teams who want him.


3. Braylon Edwards (Click here for highlights)
Age: 26
Seasons: 6th season
Status: UFA
Salary: $4.55 million
Stats: 20 receptions, 321 yds, 2 tds.
Summary: The stats don't tell the whole story here. Edwards forced his way out of Cleveland (it must be bad there--Edwards and Cedric Benson both forced their way out and have both excelled with their new teams) and has only played 7 games for the Jets. He's looked really good in those 7 games, especially since they have a rookie QB throwing to him. I expect him to get resigned by NY for a long-term contract.


4. Miles Austin (Click here for highlights)
Age: 25
Seasons: 4th season
Salary: $1.45 million
Status: UFA
Stats: 42 receptions, 824 yards, 8 TDs
Summary: We should all be familiar with Miles Austin by now. The Cowboys acquired Roy Williams in the offseason to be their #1WR, but instead it's Austin who's stepped up in a big way. He's only started 6 games this season but has proven that he's worthy of the #1 spot. His average of 9 yards after the catch is the best in the league right now. He's easily on pace for 1000 yards receving. I'll be shocked if the Cowboys don't lock him up. Jerry Jones has shown that he's willing to shell out the bucks and I expect him to do that for Austin. If not he'll be heavily courted in the off-season.


5. Steve Breaston (Click here for highlights)
Age: 26
Seasons: 3rd season
Status: RFA
Salary: $460,000
Stats: 43 receptions, 571 yards, 3 TDs
Summary: Breaston has turned in a disappointing year thus far. Last season he had a 1000 yard year, but it looks like he's not going to do that this year (especially if Warner's concussion symptoms linger). His YPC is nearly identical as last year (13.1 compared to 13.3), so he's still very effective--just not being targeted as often. He's a very effective #2 guy. I would expect AZ to offer him at least a level 2 ($1.01 million), or Level 3 ($2.198 million). For a 1000 yd receiver $2 million a year is very reasonable. If they do that a competing team would have to give up 1st rounder to get him. I expect that he stays with AZ.


Some other notable names in FA

Click on the names themselves for highlights below.


Terrell Ownes (I'm sure he's done in Buffalo after this year)
Antonio Bryant (signed a 1 year $9.8 million dollar contract and has had a very unproductive year)
Derrick Mason (Been a very consistent 1000 yd receiver since he came into the league. Is 35 this year and might retire)


Of the top players at the WR spot that are available this year I'd love to see us grab Vincent Jackson or Miles Austin. I don't think that Austin will be available to us but Jackson might be. How cool would it be for us to lock up both Sproles and Jackson in the offseason?

  

 And once again the top 5's from last week:

Quarterbacks

1. Jake Locker

2. Tony Pike

3. Jimmy Clausen

4. Colt McCoy

5. Sam Bradforfd

Running Backs

1. C.J. Spiller (Clemson)

2. Evan Royster (Penn State)

3. Johnathon Dwyer (Georgia Tech)

4. Jahvid Best (California)

5. Ben Tate (Auburn)

Wide Receivers

Dez Bryant (Oklahoma State)

Damian Williams (USC)

Arrelious Benn (Illinois)

Brandon LaFell (LSU)

Marshawn Gilyard (Cincinnati)

Tight Ends

1. Jermaine Gresham (Oklahoma)

2. Ed Dickson (Oregon)

3. Anthony McCoy (USC)

4. Dedrick Epps (Miami)

5. Aaron Hernandez (Florida)

Tackles

1. Russell Okung (Oklahoma State)

2. Bryan Bulaga (Iowa)

3. Bruce Campbell (Maryland)

4. Ciron Black (LSU)

5. Trent Williams (Oklahoma)

Guards

1. Mike Pouncey (Florida)

2. Sergio Render (Virginia Tech)

3. Mike Iupati (Idaho)

4. Dan Doering (Iowa)

5. Rodney Hudson (Florida State)

Centers

1. John McNeil (Tennessee)

2. Chris Hall (Texas)

3. John Estes (Hawaii)

4. Kristopher O'Dowd (USC)

5. Stefen Wisniewski (Penn State)

Defensive Ends

1. Greg Hardy (Ole Miss)

2. Brandon Lang (Troy)

3. Carlos Dunlap (Florida)

4. Jermaine Cunningham (Florida)

5. Derrick Morgan (Georgia Tech)

Defensive Tackles

1. Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska)

2. Terrence Cody (Alabama)

3. Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma)

4. Arthur Jones (Syracuse)

5. Allen Bailey (Miami)

Outside Linebackers

1. Sean Weatherspoon (Missouri)

2. Sergio Kindle (Texas)

3. George Selvie (South Florida)

4. Greg Jones (Michigan State)

5. Navorro Bowman (Penn State)

Inside Linebackers

1. Brandon Spikes (Florida)

2. Rolondo McClain (Alabama)

3. Joe Pawelek (Baylor)

4. Micah Johnson (Kentucky)

5. Sean Lee (Penn State)

Corners

1. Joe Haden (Florida)

2. Trevard Lindley (Kentucky)

3. Patrick Robinson (Florida State)

4. Kyle Wilson (Boise State)

5. Syd'Quan Thompson (California)

Safeties

1. Eric Berry (Tennessee)

2. Taylor Mays (USC)

3. Earl Thomas (Texas)

4. Reshad Jones (Georgia)

5. Darrell Stuckey (Kansas)

Here is the current order of the draft. It will change a bit here and there before season end but for the most part, the top picks shouldn't move much and the bottom as well. The middle of the pack will reposition from week to week and from there I don't guess that it will change all that much.

 
  1. Cleveland (1-11)
  2. Tampa Bay (1-11)
  3. St. Louis (1-11)
  4. Detroit (2-10)
  5. Washington (3-9)
  6. Kansas City (3-9)
  7. Buffalo (4-8)
  8. Oakland (4-8)
  9. Denver - from Chicago (5-7)
  10. San Francisco - from Carolina (5-7)
  11. Seattle (5-7)
  12. San Francisco (5-7)
  13. Houston (5-7)
  14. Tennessee (5-7)
  15. Pittsburgh (6-6)
  16. New York Jets (6-6)
  17. Atlanta (6-6)
  18. Miami (6-6)
  19. Baltimore (6-6)
  20. New York Giants (7-5)
  21. Jacksonville* (7-5)
  22. New England* (7-5)
  23. Green Bay* (8-4)
  24. Dallas* (8-4)
  25. Philadelphia* (8-4)
  26. Seattle - from Denver* (8-4)
  27. Arizona* (8-4)
  28. Cincinnati* (9-3)
  29. San Diego* (9-3)
  30. Minnesota* (10-2)
  31. Indianapolis* (12-0)
  32. New Orleans* (12-0)

Make sure to Rec this... those of you who would like to keep it up until next weeks... Thanks to all...

Poll
What should the Niners do with the first two picks of the 2010 draft? (If you don't know the situation, this thread is not for you!!)
BPA and OL
43 votes
OL and OL
7 votes
QB and OL
1 votes
BPA and BPA
13 votes

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Here's my Niner mock...........I think it can happen

1. Eric Berry
1b. Buluga OT Iowa
2. Marshawn Gilyard WR Cin.
3. Rodney Hudson G FSU
4 Donovan Warren CB Mich.
5. Brandon Banks WR K St.
6. Kurt Coleman Oh. St. CB
7. Best Player Avail.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

ummm...

pass rusher?

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

After the game yesterday

Where will we put one in at. DE in the nickel? OLB, not there we have guys familiar with the system, Brooks and Lawson both did great yesterday!

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

rlott#42 , I can't see the 49ers taking two WRs when CB is a bigger need

Are one of these WRs a KR or PR?

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 7, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

both are and one can stretch the field

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

My problem with that logic:

You can’t have enough pass rushers. The Giants consistently stockpile these guys and they stay in contention because of it. Just as they picked up Tuck when they had Strahan and Umenyiora and picked up Canty and Sintim—who I really liked in this year’s draft—when they already had Umenyiora and Tuck. Brooks, Lawson and Haralson will be lucky to hit 10 sacks let alone the 10+. This would cover up a multitude of sins in the defensive backfield.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Dec 7, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Jerry Hughes

if he’s there when we pick in the 2nd. As as he’s 3-4 OLB specific there is a good chance

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't want to pick him in the 1st though

not unless we trade down for a later 1st and and extra 2nd, which I wouldn’t want to do anyway.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

If we did...

I wouldn’t be furious about it… But I think it would be a reach. Of course then he could turn out to Terrell Suggs and just be insane at the pro level too.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm starting to like the idea

of trading down depending who’s on the board when our first pick comes up. Get an extra 2nd or 3 late 1sts.

by Tre9er on Dec 8, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactlly

depends on who’s on the board. If something crazy happened and all the QBs dropped and Berry/Haden/Bulaga are all gone we’d have no reason to draft that high and should play the trading game to acquire an extra 1st and and extra 2nd.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

We need more pressure when rushing 3 than 4

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

We're horrible in Nickel coverage

so we kinda do need a DE type rusher.

by Tre9er on Dec 8, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait...

You’ve repeatedly talked smack about my talk about wanting another #1 to get Bryant when he falls… But you want Gilyard now with our 2nd rounder? wow…

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

You're talking with a first round pick

Bryant isn’t better than Gilyard on PR/KR and he isn’t faster either.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Gilyard is overrated

a system wideout if you ask me.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Dec 8, 2009 5:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Like Rice?

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Like Crabtree?

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably

But he’s a great PR/KR

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

You don't have a mock

suggestion for the first two picks, or a list of needs by priority!

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

love 1 & 2 for sure

Gilyard….can he return or are we projecting him to supplant Morgan? My point is that I want immediate starters out of the first 3 or 4 rounds. Why not take a flier on Best in the 3rd if he checks out medically and nothing scary comes out pre-draft? Or another shifty RB or CB who can return punts?

Warren was abused by Iowa when we played Michigan (yes, I’m a Hawkeye). If we take a DB I want him to be a stud. Lord knows we need help in the secondary and Bly is probably gone along with Roman and probably Lewis too.

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I will edit current order of the draft after tonights game

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

vincent jackson

I like the idea of aquiring him a lot. I think he’s got the height and size to be a great compliment to Crabtree and Morgan.

by sleepyotter on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

personally

I don’t want to rush out and try to get another receiver. I know that Crabtree can be a true #1. I know he’s not tall, but look at Steve Smith (CAR). He has tons of football smarts and skills.

Actually, I would tread lightly in FA this year, especially if there is no CBA. No need to run out and sign more Tony Pashos-type guys who aren’t really in demand. We should be making aggressive offers to the true gems in FA.

My $0.02 on that

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

FA only if there is a CBA

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 7, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, exactly

or like I said, only go after the real talent if there is NOT a CBA. I don’t want any head-scratchign FA signings.

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

good points

i guess i just saw the name vincent jackson and got excited. i didn’t realize he was going into FA next yr

by sleepyotter on Dec 8, 2009 5:24 AM PST up reply actions  

How do you compare Crabtree to S. Smith?

Just because they aren’t the tallest WR you compare them? Steve Smith is one of the faster WR in the league. He could probably beat Crabtree in a race BACKWARDS. He get’s away with a lack of height due to his speed. Cmon people. I don’t have time for these comparisons.

by hudd07 on Dec 8, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just saying size doesn't alone make a great WR

you didn’t really need to throw in the disrespect in the last sentence.

by Tre9er on Dec 9, 2009 5:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Jackson

There is no way that the Chargers let him walk. They will resign him (at least I hope) and the let McNeil go and we sign him.

Then we can take OL or Safety and then take best availabe player with the second 1 and our 2. Go for pass rush and game breaker/return man.

I would much rather have Best than Gilyard. Great player, but benefits from the system and a great QB.

by What you talking bout Willis on Dec 8, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

They have to let him walk

It’s either cut LT, keep Jackson and The LT and drafta RB or keep jackson and lose the blindside.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I'm pretty sure LT should be cut

But they would have to draft another RB and give Sproles a contract.

The Chargers are definitely this year’s biggest contributors to the FA pool.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

how about when talking about the chargers we say LOT for left offensive tackle and LT for ladainian tomlinson.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that makes sense

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Or you could call the LOT by his name

Marcus McNeill

Not any harder to remember than Ladanian Tomlinson

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok

McNeil (SD)

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Tomlinson

I think LT will be gone. They almost got rid of him last off season and his value will never be higher than it is after this year. He has stayed healthy (so far) and has shown the burst that he was lacking last year.

They are not going to keep an againg running back with a ton of miles on his legs over a stud WR coming into his own on a team that just locked up the QB for years. They need Jackson more than they will need LT over the next 3 years.

by What you talking bout Willis on Dec 9, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

see if I did this right

1 Tampa Bay
2 Cleveland
3 St. Louis
4 Detroit
5 Washington
6 Kansas City
7 Oakland
8 Buffalo
9 San Francisco
10 Chicago
11 Seattle
12 Houston
13 Carolina
14 Tennessee
15 Baltimore
16 Miami
17 Atlanta
18 NY Jets
19 Pittsburgh
20 Green Bay
21 Jacksonville
22 New England
23 NY Giants
24 Dallas
25 Philadelphia
26 Denver
27 Arizona
28 San Diego
29 Cincinnati
30 Minnesota
31 Indianapolis
32 New Orleans

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions  

okay, i have no idea

on how they determine tie-breakers in the draft order so sorry this is messed up but I think the bottom line is that we moved up a spot and carolina moved down a bit

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Tie breakers are on strengh of schedule I believe.

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 7, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no tie-breaker system other than luck

Last year the 49ers tied with the Bills but the 49ers won the tie-breaker through a coin toss I believe, so the 49ers drafted 10th and the Bills drafted 11th. They then switched in the 2nd round where the Bills got the 10th pick and the 49ers the 11th. They continue to alternate each round. If there’ more than 2, they rotate through all of them.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No

Eastbayjim has it correct. It is stregth of schedule first, if there is still a tie based on those percentages…then and only then does it go to a coin toss which takes place at the NFL combine

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I said the tie-breaker was luck

Which sometimes it is. In 2008, Atlanta won the coin toss over the Raiders and Chiefs and got to pick 3rd as a result. If you’re going to criticize a comment, you should at least make the effort to understand what was said.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Another example would be in 2006

The 49ers chose 6th and the Raiders chose 7th because the 49ers won the coin toss. I actually remembered this, which was why I was thinking it was the way they determined draft order when teams have the same record.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

But it seems to happen more than one would expect

As I mentioned, it happened in both 2006 and 2008.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

any chance it happens again this year?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Oddly enough

a mayoral race was decided a year or so ago by the flip of a coin. The votes came out dead even, so rather than go through a costly recount both candidates agreed to a coin flip.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think something like 120 votes were cast.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Was it really that expensive to re-count 120 votes?

I would have done it for $10

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Not recount

re do the election. Pay city workers extra holiday pay, police officers for security, etc., etc.

A town that small doesn’t have that kind of money.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I see

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

And televise it

I’d pay to see that on PPV… Politician kick off

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you have us picking lower than our Carolina pick?

They by all rights should have lost to Tampa yesterday and will likely lose all remaining games

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Hah

I just noticed that. I’m thinking that he meant to switch those around.

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by smileyman on Dec 7, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Carolina's only game with a realistic chance of winning is against the Jets

and I think the Jets are a better team too so they will likely be slotted 8th or 9th. The Raiders have been playing better and have games remaining against Washington and Cleveland so they have a good chance of ending 6-10. Bears and Carolina have unfavorable schedules likely losing their remaining games and Seattle and Houston play each other and a bottom feeder so 1 will win 2 games and the other 1 putting each ahead of Carolina.

As far as us… We play Philly, Zona and Detroit. Likely outcome is 6-10 with the way Zona and Philly looked on Sunday. Seattle or Houston will likely end up with the same record as us coming down the tie breaker.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

6-10?

we are 5-7. You said we’ll probably lose against Zona and Pilly. We play the Lams and Lions. You expect us to lose to one of them?

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Dec 7, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I left out the last game of the season to the Lambs

So 7-9 my bad. The schedule I was looking at cut off was the last 3 and next 3 weeks so it cut off at 16 and I didn’t even think of who was the last game but my thought process automatically demanded a record that amounted to 16 games

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Berry + Bulaga is the absolute best case scenario for Rd1 picks.

I’m very much against drafting another WR or signing one as a free agent. The WR combination of Crabtree and Morgan along with Hill is a good, potentially great set 1+2, and a 3rd with potential. Add in one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL, and there are plenty of weapons through the air already.

The Frank Gore thread intrigues me though. Having another change of pace guy in the back field would be awful nice, and I’d really love Jahvid Best in the second round. I’m reminded of another Cal guy who a lot of people wanted but went to Philly instead, DeSean Jackson. I’d hate to see that type of talent passed over again.

As far as the rest of the draft, I just don’t know enough about mocks to do that, but I’m hoping for Berry, Bulaga, and Best with our first 3 picks. KILLER BEES.

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by mikev on Dec 7, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions  

Best projected first round!

in some mocks (scouts inc)

I’m hoping above all hope he slips to 2nd, maybe 3rd! That way we can snatch a CB in the second.

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

another CB after taking Berry?

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by mikev on Dec 7, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

if he's a return man too.

I’ll take a returner if he’s a CB or RB in the 3rd.

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Syd'Quan Thompson

He can return and will be a great corner

by GMARCH on Dec 7, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Sid Quan would be a great mid/late rd pick

I have no idea, honestly, of where he’s predicted, but he could return and be a great value pick.

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by bonbrillio on Dec 8, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

*Syd

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by bonbrillio on Dec 8, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Berry is a safety. Also the Niners will need to replace both Bly and Roman

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 7, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

in other thread(s) I mentioned that Bly and Roman would be gone too. Also when Clements comes back we may also lose a DB (some say Hudson because all he does is play special teams, mostly)

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not draft the successor now instead of waiting last minute

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

i would like to see Berry, Bulaga, then any CB/RB who has return skills, preferrably one who is of use to us in non-special-teams roles going forward as well

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Best would be wasted a wasted early pick

Another concussion and his career is already on the way out the door. Anybody with a concussion bad enough to leave on a stretcher is a dangerous pick.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's some ridiculousity: Trade Gore and Manny Lawson

For a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick.

1.a Berry
1.b Haden
1.c Bulaga
2.a Hughes
2.b Gerhart
3.a BPA
3.b BPA
4 or 5. Trindon Holliday

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I would really feel bad about trading Gore though...

He’s been here through all the crappy years and just when we’re turning it around. Send him to a good team that needs a back so I can feel ok with it.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree send him to a good team

But really this is a business and I could care less hwo he feels when I am going forward for my team.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to trade Gore

not yet anyway. I want to see what happens in the off-season with an upgraded and healthy line.

The crazy thing is that if you figure him playing a 16 game season he still ends up with almost 1200 yards rushing, which would be his second best year ever.

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by smileyman on Dec 7, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

Gerhart is almost a for sure upgrade on Coffee though a possible downgrade from Gore… Though with his style he’d likely rack up more consistent yardage. I really don’t want to trade Frank either. I just threw that one out there for people to chew on.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

what kind of offense does Stanford run?

If we’re going RB, it’d be nice to get a guy who can rush the ball out of shotgun.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Dec 8, 2009 5:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't be his traditional set

but unlike Gore he’s EXTREMELY adept at finding the hole. Not the hole that’s supposed to be there that Gore just runs toward at breakneck speed hoping it will open, but the one that does happen to open up when the defense adjusts to the play. Plus, he’s extremely patient allowing his blocking to develop. I noticed in 1 HL, I actually had to rewind it a couple times to see if he did what I thought he did, he actually took a hopstep before hitting the hole, threw a head and shoulder juke just to freeze the defender and give his blocker the extra split second to come through and clear the lane. It didn’t just work out that way, its kinda hard to explain but you could tell that he actually made the adjustment to the timing despite him being ahead of the play. It was so simple but something that very few runners would have done and fewer done so naturally. I’m really sold on the guy being solid at the next level despite the fact that he doesn’t have the 4.3 40 time.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 6:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd love to have him as a Niner obviously

I really don’t think we’ll end up being able to get him in the 2nd though… The other big risk factor on him is how well he does this season in Baseball. Apparently he’s a very high level baseball recruit as well.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I can see him as a FB not a RB in our Offense

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Respectfully disagreed

Most of the comparisons he gets are to power backs… A bigger and just a touch slower Eddie George is one I find very apt

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 6:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Both had great vision and great balance

Eddie had a little more burst… Gerhart a little more knock you over

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 6:13 AM PST up reply actions  

FB

It’s just my opinion. Think about running out of the Shotgun, who is he gonna get away from? Not many players, yeah he can run them over when he has momentum, but he will not be a passing down back and if you want to take him with a high pick when he comes out, is it worth it for a player that won’t be an every down back? He can be an every down FB because of his size and srength.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Try to be realistic in their value

A RB who is on his way downhill which is one of the EASIEST positions to draft, and a OLB that can’t get to the QB? Pipedream, try to wake up.

by hudd07 on Dec 8, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

were you hired to insult everyone on the forum?

seriously. you can make points but is all this really necessary?

by Tre9er on Dec 9, 2009 5:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Wasted

I agree

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

3rd round or extra 2nd rd pick

if we package the early 1sts for later 1sts and extra 2nd.

I don’t want him until late 2nd, when our biggest needs have been met

by Tre9er on Dec 8, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Case for CJ Spiller

1. Frank Gore is getting up in years. He’s injured all the time. We will have to replace him eventually. Spiller is a unique talent and its always better to have someone already on the roster with experience than to try to draft a rookie.

2. Gore is injured a lot and we need something better at backup than Coffee.

3. He is the perfect compliment to gore’s running style.

Gore: good, not great speed. Strongest between the tackles. Doesn’t turn the corner well for outside runs. Breaks tackles brilliantly, can bounce off stud MLBs like Gary Brackett

Spiller: Incredible speed. Strongest outside the tackles. Not as good at finding holes and inside running in general. When an inside run is called he’ll sometimes decide to kick it outside. Turns the corner brilliantly.

4. This year as the #1 back at clemson he’s shown he can pass protect.

5. He is absolutely insane in the return game, which has been a huge problem ever since we cut rossum.

6. He can lead block for gore and gore would be able to lead block for him. When they line both line up do defenses prepare for the inside or outside run?

6. he can play receiver. We could have Crabtree out wide, Davis and Walker in as TE and Spiller and gore in the backfield. Defense sees this personnel and thinks run. Spiller motions out wide. Walker motions into the slot. Now they’ve gone from run stopping to needing to be in nickle. Alex smith will find a linebacker on Walker or davis , or crabtree or spiller 1 on 1 with a corner. The same thing can be done in the reverse. Line Spiller, Walker and Crabtree up as receivers. if they’re in nickle, motion into a power run formation. A running back who is also a deep threat receiver creates major matchup issues.

Did I miss anything?

by hellaninersfan on Dec 7, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

Sounds quite tempting

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by 49erSalvatrucha on Dec 7, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

interestingly enough

Maiocco said Spencer played great, and that Seattle pretty much stayed away from his half. This is encouraging.

by Tre9er on Dec 7, 2009 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

We got one good corner lol

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by 49erSalvatrucha on Dec 7, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle WR's suck

I could cover them

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

no kiddin'

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Tate

Nice rankings, but where is Notre Dame Junior WR Golden Tate, who just declared, he is easily the 3rd best WR in this draft.

But good rankings overall.

by AB83Rules on Dec 7, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

Tate will be long gone

if we are using anything but a very early 2nd round pick on him. He might go in the 1st.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I’m not saying we pick him as the two people below us jumped on, but I actually understood where you were getting off. Tate who is worst case the 3rd best WR on the board was completely left off the rankings.

by hudd07 on Dec 8, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

GET SOMEONE WHO CAN RETURN KICKOFFS AND PUNTS

That has totally screwed us up this year. Get someone who is really fast. If they are a RB, let them get a few carries a game. If they are a WR, give them screen plays or something. But please get someone. Playoff teams have KR/PR

Go 49ers

by iaalexeeff on Dec 7, 2009 4:53 PM PST reply actions  

Ok here's another shot at it

1a. S Eric Berry or CB Joe Haden or OT Bruce Campbell
1b. OT Bryan Bulaga (if didn’t get Campbell with 1a) or S Earl Thomas (if didn’t get Berry or Haden at 1a) or Donovan Waren (if didn’t get Berry or Haden with 1a)
2. S Nate Allen (if didn’t get Berry or Thomas) or WR Eric Decker or WR Mardy Gilyard or OG Mike Thomas or OG Jon Asamoah or OG Mike Iupati
3. CB/KR Perish Cox or best WR or OG on
4. RB Stafon Johnson or QB (Dan Lefevour) or DE/OLB with pass rush ability or WR (especially if didn’t get any WR in past rounds)
5. Start leaning towards BPA with an eye toward our needs.

Perish Cox is noted as a good return man and even noted as a ball hawk and shutdown man on some sites.

FA moves: OG Logan Mankin NE or OG Jahri Evans NO, or OG Darryn Colledge, not sure of other FA moves at the moment but I’m sure that others will have some input. Oh one thing to do is pick back up Aubayo Franklin

Logan or Jahri or Colledge could go in at LG and let RG be a fight between the rookie pickup, Snyder and Chilo. Bulaga and Pashos at RT and of course Staley at LT and Heitmann at C. that would be a pretty nice line.

In the backfield we’d have Clements, Spencer, Brown, and either Haden or Perish Cox at CB and Berry or Thomas or Allen and Goldson and Reggie Smith and Taylor in the safety block.

A WR crew with Crabs and Josh Morgan and Hill and Jones along with Gilyard or Decker would be not great but solid.

Have at it Gentlemen. :-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions  

I think Bulaga is better than Campbell despite Campbell being a workout freak

If Bulaga stays in school he likely goes top 5 next year. There has been alot of discussion about whether he’s even going to come out because of this.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I like bulaga better

but that’s just me.

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by smileyman on Dec 7, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I would agree with both of you

if you noticed i tried to play it warroom like in a way and make sure we had options. What if Berry ando Haden are gone with our pick or Bulaga stays in school or gone when we pick and such? Trying to take all that into perspectvie.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 7, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

If Berry and Haden are both gone

There is a chance that Okung is on the board… If he’s there we take him for sure.
With 1.b… I’d have to look at the board, where we’re at and who’s available. Possibly Mclain as he would be the BPA and is a surefire stud at the NFL level or Earl Thomas… Even possibly Hughes though it would be a slight reach as early in the draft as we’ll be going. Some mocks have him going as early as 9 to the Bills though.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Oher

He is a monster, and would have been great at either tackle position

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.draftboardinsider.com

Compares Bulaga favorably with Oher.

Not really a mock draft site but their scouting reports are very in depth and focuses on things most leave out. It mentions Bulaga has a real nasty streak in him. I agree with them – I like that in my OLinemen. I miss Kevin Gogan and his attitude, we could desperately use that on the line right now.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Evans gets resigned by NO

Not sure that Colledge is a huge upgrade. Roos from TN would be a nice pickup at guard. I like having a QB be a pickup in a later round though I don’t think Lefevour makes it to the 4th.

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by smileyman on Dec 7, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i think picking up a qb is a waste

i think alex smith can be our future and if they have faith in nate davis why not give him a shot before drafting another guy. i think we could benifit much more from trying to get a starter at another position rather than a backup qb or “qb of the future” personally ill be dissapointed if a qb is selected this year in the draft

by june8thjrat on Dec 7, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

We need a backup

and I’m not sure that Davis is that guy.

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by smileyman on Dec 7, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he is

He has experience and if Alex was to get hurt we could still win a few games with him under center

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

the team needs to decide if davis is ever going to be given a chance, because they will want him running the scout team for a while before they do, which means making him the #2 option at QB

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what training camp is for

If Nate Davis can take the No.2 job from Hill then he’ll deserve to be the back-up and Hill can be cut.

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Colledge is too old!!

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that's a bit iffy I'll admit

but hey if it turns out then it could be nice. Hmm Roos at guard interesting. There’s also Snee and Balty is probably going to get rid of some O Linemen.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 7, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Also Edit the poll

to include Elite DB and OL

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

You can't draft an Elite DB

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not?

Eric Berry is both a DB and elite….

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by SportsChicken on Dec 7, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically what that means is

1 of the top 3 on the board.

Berry, Haden or Earl Thomas. Assuming all 3 come out.

Berry will be an elite DB my only knock on him is I see him getting injured but the way our secondary is now… I really don’t care anymore. Fire everyone on it except Spencer.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Haden

he is not worth either of the 2 first picks….not where we will be picking. Free agency is the key there. Clements still has a bit left in him. If we can land a solid #2 then whoever that is and Spencer will suffice with Clements playing 5DB and Brown in on dime packages

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Haden is most certainly worth

a 9 pick. He’s the only guy on the Gators who is as good as the media makes him out to be.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

He was getting worked against Alabama…and yes I watched the game and saw it very clearly.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

He was on Julio

Who is an absolute freak and will be drafted top 10 coming out very soon

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Excuses

Then you prove my point…he’s not good enough to keep up with an underclassmen then how is he gonna cover Andre Johnson, Larry Fitz, Randy Moss, etc?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Know what you're talking about before you say it

The buzz surrounding Jones began to swell to NFL proportions. Sports Illustrated likened him to wide receiver Terrell Owens, saying he was, “a big, physical wideout with great strength, amazing jumping ability and uncanny speed for such a big player.”6 ESPN.com compared to him to another NFL great, saying, “This guy is a unique, rare prospect for the wide receiver position with his supreme blend of size, power, speed and agility. He reminds us of a high school version of Michael Irvin, but at this stage Jones is more explosive and faster.”8

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I know exactly what I am talking about

and if you’re going to get smart about it, the conversation ends

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the kid from Michighan will be a better pro than Haden

It’s my opinion

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Haden

will be okay… and maybe the Michigan kid will be… he is just not worth where we will be drafting from that high

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Haden or the Mich kid?

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Either I would say

There is a possiblility that we could end up with the #9 and #10… you dont take a CB that high unless you are going after a Deion Sanders type of player. Those guys Haden and Donovan Warren will be solid but again not worth a pick that high.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Warren

He’s got much more upside than Haden.

But he never really lived up to expectations at Michigan though……
(he did show improvement this season, however)

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

That coach is one of the worst in the college football

I am thinking he drops to the 2nd or 3rd round.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

You can’t take a CB that high unless he is an absolute freak of nature.

A CB that high needs to be Champ Bailey or Charles Woodson, in addition they need to be excellent in the return game. Haden is not that good.

by What you talking bout Willis on Dec 8, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

agree drew

you do not take any player top 10 unless you know he is going to be elite or close to the best at his respective position.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Possibly

But to judge Haden because he Jones beat him a few times is ridiculous. In a passing system the guy would rack up insane numbers

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Proving a point

That if he cannot cover that guy, he is not a shut down corner and not worth a high pick like that

Spencer shut down Fitz the first game of the year. Haden could not do that, hence, he is not justifyable at either first pick that high. He will go before 20 but prob in between 15-20…not top 10 material

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

whatever dude

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Darelle Revis, Charles Woodson, and Nnamdi Asomugha would all like to have a word with you.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

but Randy Moss is and he shut him down twice. Shut down Owens twice, etc…everybody. Point is again, Haden not worth a top 15 pick…not for us. #2 Free agent will do just fine.

We could go after Will Allen from Miami or even Terrance Newman from Dallas for our #2 and at least then we know what we have. There’s no guaruntee Haden would even be any good in the NFL.

If we can land Berry, that will fix alot. 9/10 it’s usually our Safeties getting beat. Clements, Spencer, Brown asd a possible free agent and we will be fine at the CB position…plus I still thing Marcus Hudson has some upside to him as well

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

By the Scouts inc board

Haden is the #4 guy overall – Barry and McCoy are 1 and 2 at 97 Suh and Haden follow that with 96 ratings

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

So the only other person that might be there

worth that pick if Berry is gone would be McClain. Who is also fantastic but ILB is not our biggest need.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It may even be our smallest need.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Because the Scouts said so huh?

You must mean the same scouts that thought the world of Ryan Leaf…the same scouts that said Reggie Bush was the next Gayle Sayers….those guys?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

I just checked… Haden DID shut down Julio Jones who he was matched up with. Jones 2 receptions 28 yards and I checked USA Today’s notes and they mention that he shut down Jones.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

And I quote

“MATCHUP TO WATCH: Cincinnati WR Mardy Gilyard vs. Florida CB Joe Haden. Gilyard, a Florida native, will be looking forward to making big plays against the Gators. But he’ll have to shake himself free from Haden, one of the best cover corners in college football and a projected NFL first-round draft pick. In one of the few bright spots of the SEC title game, Haden shut down talented Alabama receiver Julio Jones.”

Shutting down Jones is an accomplishment especially since he went off on them last year.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok, I watched the game and he wasn't only covering Jones though

I still believe we can land a very good proven CB in free agency. I watched the game and I was not impressed with Haden. He was getting blocked out alot and Ingram ran him over twice. I would much rather go after Newman for Dallas or Allen for Miami and alternate Clements and Brown in on nickel package.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless we are trading down the pick

I completely disagree. There is no one else with the value of Haden who only has upside. He just started playing Corner in college and has gotten better not just year to year but game to game.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Against LSU

burnt twice within the first :53 seconds. And getting dusted a 3rd time had it been a better pass about 1:10 in. And a 4th time for a TD at 1:52. He got worked left and right. Now, I do think he is the best CB in the draft, so I will give you that…but not exactly in the same breath as the 3 guys currently playing that I mentioned a but above this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI984aFuo28&feature=related

He is not really a shut down guy. Alabama was not throwing the ball. In case you forgot, Ingram put himself in the Heisman hunt in that game by run run run. They only threw it 18 times in the game. 2 of the 12 passes were against Haden that we actually know of…there could have been more.

No thanks for how high we’re drafting.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Ne recovery speed

That’s pretty important to have if you’re going to be a Top 10 pick at CB

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

#5

Not worth it in my eyes

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

He is a corner

Eventually all corners get beat. It happens.

Unless you are Champ Bailey you are going to get beat once and a while

by What you talking bout Willis on Dec 8, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

They didn't need to pass much

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

YOURE RIGHT ITBURNZ

NO NFL CORNER COULD COVER AN INACTIVE PHOTOBUCKET ACCOUNT

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

its still up on my screen

So I’ll refresh and put it up for you again

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

itburnz

i dont understand your reasoning

it doesnt matter that julio jones is a “stud” WR at the college level.

if haden couldnt cover this underclassman, how can he cover andre johnson and randy moss?

it doesn’t matter that he’s some athletic freak. fitz andre johnson etc have all played at the pro level. they are all 10x better than julio jones.

if haden cant cover him, how can he cover elite WRs?

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Julio Jones

Will be a stud receiver at the NFL level. He is a Calvin Johnsonesque freak.

6’4" 220 4.45

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

MY BELOVED SEC?

all i said is that apparently he couldnt cover him

it still doesnt matter that he WILL be a stud; the top WRs in the NFL have played in an NFL style offense for years… they play against pro CBs and secondaries

if the kid couldnt cover him, how can he cover these elite guys?

our issue is we can’t let him learn behind our team. he would be thrown right into the game

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew K's beloved SEC

Should have pointed that part out

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually dont care for the SEC

I am a fan of the Big 12.. I used the SEC to prove a point about Ciron Black

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

BS

That’s a load of crap, Ol in Alabama are better prospects.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Julio Jones

was the #1 prospect in the country in any position coming out of high school. He’s currently the #1 WR prospect as a sophomore.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The guy is Megatron and

Larry Fitz size and speed.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Updated

1A. Eric Berry FS Tennessee
1B. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
2. Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas
3. Mike Pouncey G Florida
4. Chris McGaha WR Arizona State
5. Kyle Wilson CB Boise State
6. Anthony McCoy TE USC
7. Stefen Wisniewski C (Penn State)

Then we pick up a RT in free agency so we dont have to overpay on a 1st for a Tackle and get another decent CB in free agency as well. These will be easier finds there.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

Did Mallet declare already?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 7, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe so

but I think he intends to… they were talking to him about Bradford in an interview and it looked like he was being persuaded

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

WHY WHY WHY Mallett???

Why waste that high a pick on something we completely don’t need right now. Hughes very possibly will still be there… We could take somebody else in the secondary… A talented wideout that falls… A RB.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I do not think that having Smith as a starter with Mallett and Davis backing up is a bad thing

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Again

You are failing to read the bottom comment

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

at least FA is before the draft

thats why drew’s draft is fine.

this is the inherent problem with doing mocks this early. someone makes one that doesnt address our needs because they assume we’ll do something in FA, and everyone bites his head off.

just remember that FA comes before the draft guys.

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Even with going FA OT I would go with Bulaga with our 1b pick

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion so I respect that. But Bulaga gets alot of help from Iupati which is one of, if not the highest rated Guard in the Nation. So I look at things like that when I am considering Bulaga

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand.. but you will have to agree, actually you don't have to agree

but.. if the 49ers can solidify their OL then everything else becomes better for the Offense.

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 8, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I do agree

but I am just more of the philosophy that if there are some decent ones in FA, to go get them 1st before the draft if possible. With the veterans, you know what you’re getting and you know what you’re paying for. With the rookies, you run the risk of wasting millions of dollars possibly if the guy turns out to be a bust. Just don’t want to see the same mistakes being made if we can avoid them. See: Kwame Harris.

If we address it in FA then we can focus in on the position players and playmakers, gamebreakers, etc.

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 9, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

No way

complete waste of a pick. I’d rather draft two OTs

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 2:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats your opinion

I think Haden is a waste where you have him and the trading Gore thing was a failed attempt at creativity. You basically just gave him and Lawson away with nothing that is proven in return.

We have a couple peices missing to be a contender and you want to give away one of the biggest peices and create more space between us and reaching a goal of playoffs next year?

And then call me out for thinking ahead in that if we get Mallett going behind Smith early, that he could be potentially awesome. Smith has been injury prone and that shoulder of his has been reparied twice. When he gets in to his later years, you can be assured that it will effect him. Smith to a 4-year deal and get a good roomie like Mallett or Keenum going in that process. Forget all this stop-gap non-sense. Smith will be very very good I think for the next 4 years or so…but you get a guy like Mallett in there as a 4 year study to take over when he is 25 or so, then there’s no loss in time there (no gap). If you fail to see the logic in that then you just overall fail completely

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 2:11 AM PST up reply actions  

good roomie like Mallett

*rookie

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 2:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes lets keep Smith 4 years and dump him in his prime LOL

And considering the punishment Smith has taken he’s not been injury prone he’s been extremely durable. He had 1 very major injury and a botched surgery. Other than that he’s never been injured.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions  

30-31 years old is in a players prime?

Since when? Typically it’s in between 25-30 when most players peak.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on the position

RBs peak in their mid to late 20s
QBs peak in their late 20s to early 30s (unless you’re Kurt Warner or Brett Favre)
O-linemen have a longer shelf life than most positions, same with D-linemen

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Well my entire point is to have a QB that has been there in place

for a while to learn all the ins and outs of the offense to run it effectively. If you do that, you set yourself up for the long run. Unlike what we did in the early 2000’s. You keep drafting young players for the future so they can step in when the vets get old. It always leaves you with alot of options as well. Injuries do occur…and it also gives you room trade a bit more it it’s done the right way. This is why the Patriots have been good for so long. They keep drafting solid depth and then they have room to do trades and things like that as well. It’s just intellegent to do that.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

You don't just trade Gore without something that is proven to replace him

Thats a huge gamble… it’s the same philosophy as quitting your job before you have a new one. It just isn’t logical.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I sai trade Gore last year

I thought the RB in SD would be enough to do what Gore does and I was wrong. We should have taken a different back than Coffee though.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I never thought Coffee was worth a damn in college

He turned me around a little bit in pre-season. Then I remembered its pre-season and he’s playing against dudes that won’t be in the NFL in 2 months.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Nate Davis

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Prime for a QB

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Dream Scenario

Assuming we address OL in FA, this would be a dream scenario.

Barry would be an All Pro staple in the secondary we have not had sine Lott left.

We instantly fix our return game and have a legit successor to Frank the Tank at RB with Spiller.

Mallett is an intriguing project,, but I think they would go D-Line/OLB there instead of reaching for a QB.

by What you talking bout Willis on Dec 8, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Spiller can't replace Frank

He’s not an every-down back

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Its hard to rebutt this because no evidence is presented.

Is it his toughness? He played a whole season with turf toe. In the ACC champ game he sprinted for like a 40 yd touchdown then limped to the sideline.

Is it his pass protection? he has been the #1 back for clemson all year and has been great in pass protection.

Is it his inability to run betweeen the tackles? we can work that out with a year or two behind gore.

Even if he isn’t an every down back, cutting down on the number of gore carries will extend gore’s career, making it a non issue that Spiller isn’t an ever down back.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Frank Gore's carries are WAY down this year already

I say Spiller isn’t an every down back because he seems winded after like 5 offensive plays and needs to be spelled by another back every so often.

I seriously doubt that Spiller could be successful as a No.1 RB in the NFL (Like I said many times before, he’s no Chris Johnson).
And if he’s not going to be an every down back then he’s not worth a 1st round pick.

I’d say he’s a better fit in a team like Cincinnati (I don’t believe in Larry Johnson).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Winded?

I have watched every game for Clemson just abou this year. That is totally false. He looked winded in that last game because he was a workhorse. He had 168 yards rushing and like 300 total yards…something ridiculous like that.

He will be fine as an every down back in the NFL. He does everything for Clemson right now. Catches, Runs both finess and power styles, Special Teams, etc.

If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with Drew

Winded? Cmon, the dude is the #1 RB and also a returner on special teams.

I highly doubt he get’s winded. I think Spiller will KILL it this year. He is a better Moreno.

by hudd07 on Dec 8, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller

He may only be 200, but he carries a lot of that weight in his legs. He is strong.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller can replace Gore. He is going to be a very good NFL player.

Although the more I think about it, we are not going to get Barry or Spiller. Both could realistically go in the top 5.

by What you talking bout Willis on Dec 9, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

2. Trevard Lindley (Kentucky)

Disagree

He’s had a bad year.
I was really high on him before the season but he hasn’t done much.

Ras I-Dowling (spelling?) is pretty good (not elite but still OK)

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by SportsChicken on Dec 7, 2009 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

Rated by most as the second best CB

and top 5 DB – top 4 for those that don’t like Mays

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 7, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s the one who should play in a cover 2 type system right?

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't care how they rate him

He had a bad year.
He was supposed to kick [site decorum] and prove to everyone that he had the speed to play CB in the NFL……he didn’t

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I was talking about Dowling

Lindley is rated like #5 CB or worse some don’t rate him at all

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

NO ONE HAS YET ANSWERED THIS QUESTION

i dont know much about salary caps and cap penalties (i only know them from madden lol)

but if we WERE TO HAVE A CBA NEXT YEAR, everyone is saying to get rid of clements it seems.

but would we be able to trade him instead? what kind of return could we get for him if we were to? second round pick? third?

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions  

i know that

both the chiefs and the texans need secondary help

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

i was surprised so many people want to release clements

i was not one of those people. but i mean everyone who wants to off him says to release him

hypothetically if they WERE to get rid of clements (which i doubt), what value could we get for him

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

3rd and 4th

Maybe a 2nd to a team like the Chiefs or Lions

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by rlott#42 on Dec 7, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

think about it

if we were to trade nate clements to the chiefs (for their second, third, whatever) that would probably eliminate their need to draft a secondary man in the top 10 (altho walterfootball says they wont) and will almost certainly give us eric berry, right?

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions  

49ers should try and trade down...

And before you all think I’m insane, there is a tremendous glut of talent in this year’s draft. There’s also a tremendous glut of QB’s that I think people will take (because everyone wants their 1st Round QB) that will allow a ton of non-QB talent to slide into the bottom of the first and second rounds.

I think attempting to stock up on second and third round picks this year would give the 49ers a ton of quality players at half the price. That said…

1A-Berry – The best safety in the draft. 49ers need safety help badly.
1B-Okung (if available) or Bulaga – Pick one and take him because the O-Line needs serious help and serious depth
2 – Earl Thomas (if available) or Golden Tate or Royster
3 – Golden Tate – If he falls this low you take him no questions asked. You want his hands. Period.
4 – Jordan Shipley – He’s a big guy with fantastic hands, which have caught tons of Colt McCoy passes that had no business being caught. That combined with decent speed and good acceleration make him a better than average receiver (and Texas’s leading man). His ability to return punts makes him a steal if he falls this low. Think Wes Welker plus punt returner and tell me if you don’t like that idea.

- I haven’t seen any corners in this draft that I’m sold on in the first four rounds, so I’d opt to cure those problems in free agency.
- I think the 49ers need some depth at receiving. As you’ll notice, I’m advocating for drafting great hands with decent speed to good speed which is the inverse of the Al Davis tactic of fastest 40 time you can find. I think the 49ers need to look at getting a couple of good slant receivers who can put a real hot route threat on the board, something I think Golden Tate and Jordan Shipley provide in spades. Did I mention Jordan Shipley is a punt returning haüs?
- Punt returner (see above)

by sigma on Dec 7, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

Okung will be gone Top 5 picks

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Then go for Buluga...

But get someone to help that O-Line…

What do you think of trading one of the first rounders for a couple of second round picks?

by sigma on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Free agency for the line

position players and playmakers in the draft. With exception to maybe a Guard and a Center late. We nee to fill the Right Tackle position because Staley is not going to give up his spot at LT. I dont think that it is wise to pay LT money to a guy that will ultimately play RT.

That could work too, but only if we landed Berry. However, whoever was making the offer for one of our 1st rounders had better make it real heavy because there is going to be a stacked 1st round this year talent wise

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding...

There is going to be a ton of talent that is going to slide into the second round, the question is who’s going to make the trip south on the draft board.

by sigma on Dec 7, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Pashos is still and upgrade over Snyder

and besides…I actually thought that Pashos would have ended up being solid over there. Right before he got injured he was starting to fit well over there. The only reason I am advocating it now, is because a broken scapula is pretty serious. Otherwise, I’d be all for keeping Pashos there and going after a replacement for Baas

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

but do you want to go after 2 more Pashos in FA?

And does that solve the need to draft OL’s? I don’t think it does personally.

by Tre9er on Dec 8, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed, Okung will be gone

Kiper is saying he’s one of the top few he’s seen in 30 years of scouting.

Jason Hill is turning the corner!

by grantmp on Dec 8, 2009 5:49 AM PST up reply actions  

wes welker is a punt returner

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right

2am brainfart last night.

by sigma on Dec 8, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Then go for Buluga...

But what do you think of trading one of the first rounders for a couple of second round picks?

by sigma on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

That was supposed to go here...

I’m obviously used to using my new non-laptop keyboard.

by sigma on Dec 7, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

there should be 2 FANPOSTS

1 for the draft and 1 for free agency lol

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 11:21 PM PST reply actions  

Originally we were going to do that

but in the end it just makes more sense to consolidate and keep offseason talks in one post until season end. It was discussed and decided against.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 7, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

it really does make sense to discuss the two main ways to add players to the team together. inevitably discussion of free agency bleeds into discussion of the draft. For example:

guy 1: We need to draft an OT in the first round. If we don’t fire Scott McC immediately
guy 2: we need a right tackle, and that would be a reach pick in the first round. And we can probably sign Marcus McNiel from SD.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

FOR ANYONE WHO DOESNT KNOW

if you havent seen the salary cap thread (if im reading it right) we currently have or will have next year $53M in cap room

i say SIGN THE ENTIRE FA CLASS lol

by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 7, 2009 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

Just because they have $53 million in cap space

Doesn’t mean that they are going to blow it all on a few FAs.

I’d rather see them extend Willis and VD

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

YES!!!

We need to lock up Willis. He is the unquestioned leader of the team and needs to be here for a LONG TIME.

Davis is coming into his own and is a freak, we need to keep those guys to make a statement that we are keeping the guys who have been integral in building a winner.

Remember, after all Coach Sing “WANTS WINNERS!!!!”

by What you talking bout Willis on Dec 8, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Willis is is not going to sign an extension this soon; he will sign for more money the closer he signs to the end of his contract.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

yup.

It’s less expensive to sign him after 3 pro bowls. He will prefer to sign after his 5th.

by hudd07 on Dec 8, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Either way

Open up the vault and pay him whatever he wants.

He seems like the type of guy who will not take a big contract just for the sake of getting a huge contract. Don’t get me wrong, he will get A TON of money. but I just don’t see him as the type of guy who needs to be the highest paid player at his position.

With that being said, the Niners should pay make him the highest paid MLB in the game because he is the best MLB in the game

by What you talking bout Willis on Dec 9, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS???

TRADE- Frank Gore in return 1 & 3 round draft pick. Or maybe just a first.

FA- 1. McNeil, Evans, Clifton someone to play RT.
Shawne Merriman if McNeil stays then Merriman goes. He can still put up the numbers. and is still only 25 yrs old

by GMARCH on Dec 7, 2009 11:58 PM PST reply actions  

DRAFT

1-Berry
1-CJ Spiller
2-BAP
3-Syd’Quan Thompson

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

That's all great but it totally depends on a new CBA which may not happen and also that McNeil is a FA.

San Diego will probably try to extend him and others.

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 8, 2009 5:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on what we can get...

I’m not sold that you don’t pick up a ton of talent by trading one of the first round picks for a couple of second round picks. There is going to be a ton of talent falling down the draft boards into the second and third round this year, considering the glut of talent in the first round (especially QB’s).

by sigma on Dec 8, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

True

This draft has a ton of depth. Buuuuut if we want to grab some top notch players like Berry/Spiller/haden/Okung/Bulaga then we need those high picks. And with a lot of QB’S declaring we have a good chance of grabbing those stars.

But with such great depth in this draft I am also very excited for our 2nd and 3rd picks. We could pick up some great players.

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 12:13 AM PST reply actions  

I hope we do get a vet at RT

I wold like to draft Spiller, he’s a beast

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Just my opinion

I think Bulaga is a pro bowl caliber guy and better than anything available in FA… I’ve been big on him for a minute. If he goes back to Iowa for his senior season though I’ll be the first one to give up on a draft tackle and say FA

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

McNeil is a probowl guy also

So I guess that didn’t really come out right… But Bulaga has the chance to be a STUD in the league and getting him at a draft price is a better deal than paying for McNeil.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 6:24 AM PST up reply actions  

McNeil is the best Tackle available in FA

and he’ll cost a fortune to sign, assuming SD doesn’t extend his contract or franchise him. I think Bulaga will be a great pick up for us.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

We got 53 mil in cap space

I’d rather pay for two vets to fill the OL needs than draft them. Then you can use later picks to add depth at the position

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I want to get a guard through FA

I’m not super sold on any of the FA tackles except McNeill and I think he’s going to be really expensive to sign.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I really think

Bulaga will not just be better than McNeill but alot better. And that’s saying something.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

??

Michael Oher will be the best Tackle in the league in a few years

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

These are some off the wall predictions you are making

Bulaga gets a ton of help from Iupati in his campaign. To me it seems like you are just picking players because they look cool or have a cool name or something. I’ve watched Iowa a couple times this year and Iupati has bailed Bulaga out more than a few times. Bulaga will be okay, but to say “ProBowl” before he has even played a down in the NFL is jumping the gun quite a bit

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw a lot of Iowa games when they were riding that win streak

Bulaga is pretty good and can really finish a D-lineman off.

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Buluga plays for Iowa, Iupati plays for Idaho. But if ur right we should go after iowa’s gaurd if he’s declaring.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Iupati

I meant to say Doering

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m guessing he’s not declaring or we would have heard his name by now.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a Senior

he better have declared if he wants to play in the NFL

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not draft both of them and move Chilo to LG

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 8, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Doering

is a LG and Rachal is a RG…wouldn’t be practical. Bulaga is a LT also. I am not sure I want to pay LT money to a guy who will be playing RT. Staley is not about to relinquish his position as LT to accomodate a rookie.

If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Bulaga would be a good fit at RT

And I wouldn’t approve of drafting him in the top 10.

If the team can get him out of the top 15 then they wouldn’t need to pay him LT money

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking both were on the right side.

The 49ers need the best OT they can get… even if it is only for RT. A sack is still a sack. I would rather they shore up the OL with top notch OTs and OGs and then they can focus on other needs.

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 8, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Oher is a LT

but plays RT for the Ravens. His deal was 5 years, almost $13 million, $8 million guaranteed.

That averages out to $2.5 million per year. We’re paying Snyder $1.4 million.

Oher was the 23rd pick—if we’d selected him at 10th he would be paid much more.

I’m actually beginning to like the idea of trading one of our first down for a lower 1st and an extra second rounder.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly.

depending who’s on the board. we have to have contingency plans in place. extra second would be nice

by Tre9er on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a larger gap between

a top 10 pick and the 23rd. Plus what were his bonus’ and things like that? The bonus’ for a 10 and a 23 are alot different. There is all that to consider as well

If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

There is no gaurantee that Bulaga, or whoever else it ends up being, will be any better than Snyder as a first year starter

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

There was no guarantee that Patrick Willis was going to be any better than Smith

But they took him anyways.

You can’t use that logic to argue against taking a player in the draft.

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course I can

It’s a truth not a logic

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate Clements was a proven free agent

doesn’t mean he hasn’t sucked $* since coming here on his big money FA contract.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t understand the bromance with Bulaga on this board; I don’t have any opinion on him, but Trent Williams could be available as well, and that guy is flat out mean when he is run blocking.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Williams hasn't been nearly as good this year

Granted he moved from RT to LT and moving him back could fix that. But it is what it is. There is a reason he’s fallen off the map.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Williams looks like site decorum

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

True

Maybe he’ll have success if he goes back to RT….

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't trust him protecting the blindside

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Bulaga has only played LT

at Iowa. He was a TE coming out of high school and picked it up during training camp well enough to play as a true freshman. We can mold him to play anywhere we see fit.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds a lot like Staley

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 8, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

Except he’s got a way nastier streak than Staley.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Staley does seem to play nice

We need a new OL coach

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Staley's attitude

Joe Show FTW.

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I love that show

wish that he would do it more frequently…its pretty funny usually

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 9, 2009 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Any thoughts opinions, etc on RB Stafon Johnson?

I think he might be a viable later round choice for a change up RB. Thoughts?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 8, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

Not familiar with him.

I honestly want to see a speed back added that can run in between the tackles.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Speed back? he seems to be one

“Johnson is a great athlete with good speed (4.43) and agility; he has an explosive burst and is a threat to go the distance” Ref: http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=2270

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Dec 8, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

He always seemed slow to me

Joe McKnight was the explosive back at USC.

Besides, I mentioned that Bradford seemed like an upgrade over Johnson (after he got hurt).

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

UDFA

He’ll be there

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

probably

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Johnson is not slow

He is probably a 4.5 guy. Before his injury, I’d have said he’d be a 1,000 yard rusher in the NFL.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The USC guy that got hurt?

I don’t know…..He wasn’t very effective when he played and Bradford seemed to be an upgrade over him.

Maybe in the 6th-7th round as a special teams player.

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't very effective?

He was very effective! Infact, he may have been USC’s best back. Good between the tackles and great at the goal line.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

HMM!!

Would any of you trade Gore if we could get a 1st and 3rd rounder for him? I floated this idea on other threads and surprisingly many seem interested in the idea. The idea may not be as crazy as it seems. If we are going to run a different type of offense to cater to the abilities of Alex Smith, Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree then why keep a player that’s abilities are not going to be fully utilized. This obviously isn’t any disrespect to Frank Gore who is one of my all-time favorite 49ers. It’s just if we are going to be a pass orientated team then why not let him go where he can be more effective and get some nice pieces in return? Glen Coffee and a free agent/draft acquisition can handle the load at RB especially considering that position will be more limited then in the past.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Dec 8, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

How about trading Gore for a player and a pick.

Work out a sign and trade with the Chargers to land McNeil and a 2nd rounder. I am all for trading Gore as long as we put ourselves in a position to get Spiller. And not for kickoffs!

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say no

Who’s going to replace him?

There is no RB in this year’s draft that projects as a No.1 RB or is worth 1st round pick.

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller and Dwyer will be studs

Especially Spiller.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Dwyer

Definitely not Spiller.

If you really want a change of pace back then clammor for Sproles or Leon Washington.

Sproles will be a UFA and Leon Washington (RFA?) can be added if the team offers him more $ than the Jets.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

You have no idea what you are saying and I think it is hilarious

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude

What is so GODLY about Spiller?
He’s fast, has good lateral movement and has soft hands.

What else?
He’s OK in blitz pickup and he’s not the kind of guy you want when you’re trying to close out a game.

Sproles is much better in pass protection and is probably faster.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Sproles???

LMAO!! You are joking I hope… The way Sproles blocks is probably on par with how Andy Lee throws passes

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller on the other hand is more of a Marshall Faulk type player

special talent… I am laughing at your comments the same way I am laughing at the people who told me Adrian Peterson was overrated

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Well yeah because you can NEVER be wrong

And anyone who disagrees with you deserves to be laughed at.

I see why you and Drummer always get into weird arguments.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Considering we will be able to replace equal talent for Oher this year

I will say it is. Crabtree will be hard to replace when he develops

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

This

There aren’t any elite WRs availabe through FA. None in the draft.

Lots of O-linemen in the draft, as well as some good ones in FA.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you just bitter

because you are a USC fan and Bush turned out to be a bust…so you are just assuming Spiller will be or what?

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller is a

BOSS and he has the work ethic to be great. He’ll go mid late first. But i say we grab him with our second first rounder.

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I never liked Bush

Here is what I think:
Chris Johnson is the best speed back in the NFL and was definitely worth his 1st round selection (somewhere between 20-25 right?)

Any speed/change of pace back that isn’t as good as Johnson is not worth a high 1st round selection.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok good, I am glad you brought that up

It sort of proves my point.

With the comparison to Chris Johnson there, and him going 24th overall nobody expected him to do what he did right? Right. So now that all these comparisons are coming out in Spiller to Johnson, don’t you think certain teams will be licking their chops and not allowing him to slip that far down?

I mean it’s pretty clear. To sit there and throw around all this, “Spiller is horrible and overrated” stuff just sounds really bias for no backed reason

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller doesn't compare to Johnson

Johnson is MUCH stronger and faster.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

You apparently have not watched Spiller at all

Stronger? Do you have examples? Johnson is not exactly running people over in the NFL. On the other hand Spiller does run over LB’s and Safeties. I could post some video’s of Spiller for you, since you evidently haven’t watched enough of him to draw a realistic conclusion of who and what he brings to the table

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a tuff argrument...

because johnson is playing out of his mind…. and spiller is the top rated RB in college football

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really an argument

Drew just thinks Spiller is an amazing 5 star prospect and I disagree.
As a result he gets incredibly frustrated and replies to all of my posts in an effort to irritate me.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Just disagree for the sake of it

You have nothing really to back that he’s not. I on the other hand have a plethra of evidence that supports this claim that I am making

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

My argument is based on the fact that teams that draft early have many needs and will draft for value

Who in the top 5 will use their pick on a speed back when they can take a LT or QB?

There’s a reason non-elite RBs fall in drafts.

Even Adrian Peterson fell because of his injury history.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I did not say top 5

but he will not slip past 10… Washington need a RB…I mean they need alot but it certainly would not be a shocker there. LJ is gone out of KC so its not far-fetched there. Detroit is missing a real good RB and has been since Barry Sanders so I would not put it past them…. Obviously anything could happen but I cannot see a player of that caliber slipping outside #10. If he does, it will be a steal for anyone picking him up.

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

He will because

You buy a house before you buy a car.

I just watched Blindside

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I'll just read the book

In the commercials that I’ve seen S. Bullock comes off as a huge meddling douche.

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw the Miami game and the Georgia Tech game.

Spiller played very well in both games.

I’m assuming that Johnson is stronger when running in between the tackles, he seems to attack the hole much better than Spiller.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont think he should be compared to the best back in football

EVERYTHING is going to change after the combined… thats when the real talk will start. Players will be flying up and down the draft boards

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Who else are we going to compare him to?

Definitely not Brandon Jacobs.

Drew K is projecting him to be a No.1 back.

The only successful No.1 RB in football that compares to Spiller is C. Johnson.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

You say that like its a bad thing

And Johnson is a #1 back. So if he could do it, and Spiller is basically Clemsons whole team by taking 90% of the hand-offs and in on EVERY punt return and kickoff…why is Spiller not a #1 back?

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

FAIL

Spiller only took 43% of the carries.

He did take all of the punt/kick returns though (30 total).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah if you include all the end arounds and trick plays they ran

But actual RB touches…
it’s more like 60% …obviously I was being sarcastic with the 90% ratio…that is not probable for ANY college RB.

He had 201 carries
the other two main RB’s on the team had
64 carries and 72 carries.

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

end arounds count as rushes

I didn’t include catches because you didn’t mention them (you specifically said “hand-offs”).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I did not include catches either

And it is not a true RB stat if you are including WR end arounds

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

To be clear

I’m never going to agree with you (or anyone) on the idea that C.J. Spiller is worth a top 10 pick and that he is the second coming of Marshall Faulk.

I just don’t see it.
We can just agree to disagree and if Spiller does end up going early and if he does end up playing up to the level of Chris Johnson and other No.1 RBs then you can rub it in my face and call me a [site decorum].

But not now, when we don’t know what’s going to happen.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Naw

I won’t rub it in your face…it’s not the classy move.

You are entitled to your opinion, I just was under the impression that you had not seen enough to make that call. I would have stopped much sooner if I knew that you were not willing to take an honest look at the guy

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I won't mind

In some other board I mentioned Nate Davis as a possibility for the 49ers.
All but one person called me a fool.

Months later (during the preseason)
they were all enamored with Nate Davis and considered him the QBOTF.
I let them hear about it.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller on more time and I ll drop it

He hits the holes like lightning and he fights and fight and fights for yards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGdTU4Tiv-o&feature=related

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Notes from that video

Very poor tackling by Duke.
Poor angles taken by S Car

There was only ONE run in that video where Spiller took it straight up the middle and it was the one where S CAR failed to get off their blocks and took poor angles to Spiller.

What I did see though is that Clemson used Spiller perfectly (got him the ball in space and let him outrun everyone).
…although I already knew that.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh God

Of course…

So bad defense and no credit to Spiller. Now I know for sure you are biased against him for no apparent reason

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I was only talking about that specific video

I’ve seen him do good things when it was all him.
But that wasn’t the video to illustrate it

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's the thing

You don’t draft a guy like Spiller to run up the middle. That’s what you have Frank Gore for.

You draft someone like Spiller to do exactly what he does in that video, which is make people miss, although he can also make the tough yards—look at the second run in that video. He had a player holding on to his ankle, dragged him a yard towards the goal, shook him off, powered through another defender and scored.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Some are saying that Gore should be traded and replaced by Spiller

That’s how this argument originated (look above)

Spiller was mostly all alone on those catches and just outran everyone.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is Leon Washington against NFL teams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTliO4jxrk

Washington isn’t as fast as Spiller but he’s a lot cheaper.

1:35 (ish) is pretty cool because he picks up the blitzer, stays on his feet and allows the screen to develop

3:05 is also pretty cool

It’s not such a great video because it mostly showcases excellent blocking by the Jets.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Veteran pay

He won’t be cheaper

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Compared to a RB drafted in the top 10?

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by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't draft him top 10

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Drew K would

That’s the argument.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I chimed in late sorry guys

I do think he can be a number one. people said the same about C Johnson, the RB in Baltimore. Spiller can be an every down back if he isn’t rushed into it. He’ll have to be patient and get used to the contact for a season or two.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

If you got McNeil and a decent guard in FA

and Berry as our #1, you would not get him if our picks were #9 and #10 at #10?

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by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Not gonna lie

Under those circumstances, it’s a strong maybe but I’d try to trade the pick

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

CB

I’d take a CB under those circumstances.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Leon Washington

will be cheaper (or as cheap) as a 1st round RB.

Breaking his leg has really hurt his status and he’s not making big bucks right now.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

Considering Spiller’s averaged 40 time is a 4.37 and Johnsons is 4.24 on the combine clock… They really aren’t in the same world in terms of speed

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

4.37?

Aw man he could be .01 seconds faster than Vernon Davis.
Dang it

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ray Rice has 4.4 speed and gets loose just fine.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

And it's not like Chris Johnson

runs a 4.24 with football pads on.

I rarely care about 40 times because they don’t translate well to the football field.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey smiley man 1st round mock from ya?

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Later on

Once we get through all the FA/Draft posts. We’ll be taking on a project where we’ll be looking at various teams and their greatest needs.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Rice is a between the tackles stud too

CJ would not do as well between the tackles IMO

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It's actually 4.34...that was his best

So .10 slower than Johnson…basically the blink of an eye

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

They go all over the board

He’s also run as fast as 4.28 and as slow as 4.48 by one board. 4.37 is his averaged time.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't even know if thats electronically timed either

I’m assuming it is. He really can’t be slower than 4.37… But I’d bet straight line VD is just as fast. Cause VD ran the 4.38 on the combine clock.

But the point was to compare Spiller’s speed to Johnson’s is dumb. Johnson makes him look SLOW over 40 m.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Well the comparison to Rice will make Spiller look even worse

I just assumed that since they had similar running styles it was a fair comparison.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

spiller is strong

Two things, take a look at how cut his arms are; and you can see that he carries a lot of his weight in his legs, which is where power comes from.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

He works very hard. He loves to play football and is willing to do anything to stay on top of his game. That is a sign of greatness.

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he has the potential to be a great back

But I wouldn’t waste a top 10 pick on him.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

There are alot that project as #1 backs

Spiller, Dywer and Gerhart are all #1 backs and could all go 1st round if the cards fall a certain way.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Projects

No clear cut No.1s

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller will go in the first round

This is all but certain. Gerhart will be a second round steal more than likely. Dywer who knows

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I was just saying that Spiller shouldn’t be drafted in the top 10.

I mocked him to the Patriots in the 20s

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No

I want to see what we can do with a better O-line.

Besides, he was still on pace for 1200 yards this year if he’d been healthy for the whole season.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

First round Mock

1.Cleveland – J Clausen QB N Dame
2.Tampa Bay N. Suh DT Neb.
3.St. Louis Jake Locker QB Wash.
4.Detroit – Russell Okung LT Ok St.
5.Washington- Colt McCoy QB Tex
6.Kansas City – Brian Bulaga OT Iowa
7.Buffalo (4-8) – Sam Bradford QB Okla.
8.Oakland (4-8) – Taylor Mays FS USC
9.Denver – from Chicago (5-7) – Tony Pike QB Cinn.
10.San Francisco – from Carolina (5-7) Eric Berry SS Tenn.
11.Seattle (5-7) – Trent Williams LT Okla.
12.San Francisco (5-7) – Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss
13.Houston (5-7) – Joe Haden CB Flo.
14.Tennessee (5-7) – Dez Bryant WR Ok St.
15.Pittsburgh (6-6) – Terrance Cody NT Ala.
16.New York Jets (6-6) – Golden Tate WR ND
17.Atlanta (6-6) – Gerald McCoy DT Okla.
18.Miami (6-6) – CJ Spiller RB Clem.
19.Baltimore (6-6) – Rolando McClain ILB Ala.
20.New York Giants (7-5) – Earl Thomas S Tex.
21.Jacksonville* (7-5) – Tim Tebow QB Flo.
22.New England* (7-5) -Sean Witherspoon OLB Miss.
23.Green Bay* (8-4) – Sergio Kindle OLB Tex.
24.Dallas* (8-4) – Patrick Robinson CB Flo ST.
25.Philadelphia* (8-4) – Jonathan Dwyer RB GTech.
26.Seattle – from Denver* (8-4) – Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky
27.Arizona* (8-4) – Brandon Spikes ILB Flo.
28.Cincinnati* (9-3) – Marshawn Gilyard WR Cinn.
29.San Diego* (9-3) – Damian Williams WR USC
30.Minnesota* (10-2) – Mike Pouncey G Flo.
31.Indianapolis* (12-0) – Kyle Wilson CB Boise ST
32.New Orleans* (12-0) – Arthur Jones DT Syracuse

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

Good mock

I just have one question there…well maybe a couple…but just one that stands out. Why do you think Denver will go QB? I don’t necessarily disagree, I just want to hear your reasoning. I was thinking they would go defense in the 1st round. Orton isn’t horrible…not great either but he gets the job done.

We met in a past life and you were wrong then too

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Kyle Orton was not McDaniels choice of a QB

His arrogance is still looming, and he wants his guy, that’s the way Todd Haley is as well as McDaniel. Orton has done well but Pie throws a better ball and Orton’s stats are based on the offense and will require a lot of money since he will be a veteran and on his second contract.

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Blk Sand Ninja-

by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

From your last one, you had Sand Diego taking a RB which I agreed with but you changed it to WR…how come?

We met in a past life and you were wrong then too

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Because the one they wanted is gone, and I don't think they will settle

They are a passing team and may take a chance with Mighty Mouse and a rookie.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think they will go

Dwyer or Royster…and I don’t think that Spiller is going to fall that far

We met in a past life and you were wrong then too

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought about a few teams but felt they had a back that could go another year with or a more pressing need

Where do you think Spiler will go.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I know the question was not for me

But I’ll answer anyways.
:p

I think he’ll go in the 20’s

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Spiller will go Top 10

no more than 15. He has already moved up in a majority to most of the recent boards and mocks within the Top 10.

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully not

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Brilliant comment

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

heres a list of a ton of mock drafts
http://www.walterfootball.com/draftdata.php
most of them have spiller falling to the 20s, sometimes as late as 28, but he never falls out of the first round. 1 has the seahawks taking him at 7 or wherever they’re drafting, but that one is wrong because they’d be able to get him with their second pick.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont have to look because I know they are not recent

nocal81 had some stuff up the other day too and it was all dated and pretty innaccurate… For instance had us picking Jake Locker at #10. After everything is all said and done (combine and all that) he may be ranked at 15 or so. Even is he is ranked that high, I still think he will not slip out of that ACTUAL draft beyond #10

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually they are dated right so I will give you that

however…just because someone does a mock doesn;t mean it will go down like that. I am sure that we could look at those mock and find major flaws with them the same as we have with the ones that have been posted here

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Walterfootball.com

Has two of the best Mocks out there.

They have accurately predicted lots of picks.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it is more like.. Who do the 49ers value more.

They will draft the highest ranked player on their board. That could be Berry or Spiller or Williams or Baluga or others. Also, it depends a lot on if they want to focus on fixing the OL at RT first and maybe passing on some of the others who may be ranked higher on their own board.

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by Eastbayjim on Dec 8, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

looking back at last year's draft (the 1st Sing/McCloughan)

I’d say that they’ll put a lot of value on playmakers (Berry) and SEC kids.
Singletary did mention that they heavily scouted Tyson Jackson (that’s how they found RJF)

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Berry and Bulaga

are the two with the most upside. Both could be perennial pro bowlers. Williams might just not be good on the left side and if moved back to RT could blossom. Spiller could be great… But with backs there is never a guarantee. He could tear his Achilles and never be the same and completely bust.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd say that Campbell has a higher upside than Bulaga

But they’re both good.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If he goes before Berry

good for us

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Too many QB needs and can't miss players

RB’s are a dime a dozen

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

colt mccoy and brian buluga are both kinda reaches, and greg hardy is more of a 4-3 de isn’t he?

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

SIze and weight plus xplosiveness

He is about the same size as Smith

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Bulaga at 6 is a reach

But not at 10 where we are picking. The guy is the best lineman in the Big 10 and has been only been playing LT since camp of his Freshman year. His upside is skyhigh.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

No way the 49ers draft a DE in the first round this year.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Dec 8, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a bad mock

But there is no way Gerald McCoy falls that far.

And where is Maryland’s Bruce Campbell?
Some have called him the Vernon Davis of Offensive Tackles

Plus I would be incredibly pissed if SF took Hardy, he’s a 4-3 DE, he looks lost when he’s out in space….I wouldn’t want us to ruin his career while wasting a 1st round pick.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

As a passing down PR and Nickel DE

I don’’t know if you have seen our nickel pass rush, but, meh comes to mind.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

A 1st round pick for a nickel pass rusher seems like too much

And that would still be ruining Hardy’s career, he needs to be on a team that will let him play all 3 downs.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be much happier with saying a prayer

and hoping Jerry Hughes falls to 40. Honestly Hughes is a nastier pass rusher anyways. Just very position specific and its not a position more than half the teams in the league have.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be awesome

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

chickmagnet_565, let me see a 1st round mock frm ya

And anyone else, the more mocks the more discussion, let’s get 700 comments before the game and remember the draft is is how many months?

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll try to put one together

I know it’s difficult.
But you can’t expect to post something like a mock draft and not receive some criticism….

Besides, I thought that for the most part it was very well thought out (except for those few things I’ve mentioned).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

the hard part is knowing every team’s needs and which teams are 4-3 vs 3-4. beyond that just rank prospects and go. 7 round 49ers pick only mocks are hard to do too becuase who knows anything about the 5-7th round players? but 4 round mocks with a mock free agency can be fun too.

Mock offseason
release: mark roman, michael lewis, Tony Wraggae, Bruce
FA aqcuisitions: McNiel LT
Extend: VD, PWillis (if he wants to, he may wait a year), Wilhelm
Franchise: Aubrayo Franklin

Draft: we trade down our first first round pick for another 2nd
1a. Donovan Warren CB
1b. CJ Spiller RB
2a. Von Miller OLB
2b. Reshad Jones S
3. John Jerry OG
4. Myron Rolle SS

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

We can get Warren later... Quite possibly with that second 2nd round pick

He got burnt bad by several Big 10 programs this year and his stock dropped. Big 10 isn’t generally the conference to produce Wideouts either.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

truth… maybe iupati there and kyle wilson instead of john jerry

by hellaninersfan on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I like discussions with you and drew k and a few others and enjoy your opinion since it heightens combos is all

I don’t care about criticism, trust me if I am asking you to post I am interested in what you would type.

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It's easy for people to sit back and critique

when they aren’t putting out their own. Some people don’t like the spotlight on them and others (like you rlott#42) don’t care what other people think. I give you credit for at least putting one out there while others simply won’t.

I have done one so far…and smileyman and I will do one in a post toward the end of the year when the draft order is finalized.

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

seriously

I’m probably not able to stop myself from writing down Spiller’s name with that second pick if he’s still there. Assuming we got OL help from FA and they are quality players…might not be right…but call me Al Davis.

by Tre9er on Dec 8, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

You better believe I was thinking Spiller the whole time

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you really think Mays will go before Berry?

Never mind. Just noticed it was the Raiders picking 8th.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see any way

McClain falls that low. Besides that pretty solid. I’d rather have McClain than Hardy. Way more surefire player. If nothing else he could have a monster year and we could use him as trade bait.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

CHECK OUT THIS MOCH/OFFSEASON

TRADE: Frank Gore in return for a 1st and 3rd round pick (next year) get value out of him while we can. Plan for the future. You can do big things with two 1st rounders.

FA: Merriman, Sproles, McNeil
The chargers are going to have to let go of at least one of these players. I think it’ll be Merriman…

FA pickup: Shawne Merriman plus BPA in FA to fill RT(this helps the o-line and pass rush)

DRAFT:
1- FS Berry
1- RB CJ Spiller
2- CB Syd’Quan Thompson
3- OG John Jerry
4- T
5- WR
6- CB
7- LB

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

is John Jerry projected to start right away?

or are we leaving Baas in there?

This damn team is perplexing me these past few weeks. Protecting Smith a lot better, getting a pass rush (11 sacks in two games)…really screwing with my off-season plans.

by Tre9er on Dec 8, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle and Jax both have bad olines and pass rushes. Things will be back to normal against the eagles.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Mebane is a beast....

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Watched him play in HS as a junior. Heard his name called a lot.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure

But how about the 49ers evaluating some Stanford lineman? They’re only a 10 minutes or so up the 101.

by MinerNiner on Dec 8, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought that the 49ers held something like a No Cal combine

I’m pretty sure I read something like this last year.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Pro days

But the smaller schools let their top players come down to Santa Clara for a mini-combine.

I think it’s something all the NFL teams do to give all the small name athletes get a chance to show their skills.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I think only 1 person on stanford’s amazing o-line is going to declare this year.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I think if you swap 3 and 2 you could be spot on

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yaaaa

you might be right… I want Thompson soooooooo bad.

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok I am thinking you are talking as a niner

That sounded broke backish!

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

LMAO

yes as a fan. lol. just like I love Patrick Willis… NO HOMO

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

LINEUP

QB- Alex Smith/Nate Davis/???
RB- CJ Spiller/ Glen Coffee/ Mrob
FB- Brit Miller
TE- Vernon Davis
WR- Michael Crabtree
WR- Josh Morgan/ Jason Hill
T- Joe Staley
G- Chilo Rachel
C- Eric Heitman
G- John Jerry
T- Marcus McNeill

DE- Justin Smith
DT- Aubrayo Franklin
DE- Sope
LB- Shawne Merriman
LB- Patrick Willis
LB- Parys Haralson
LB- Manny Lawson
CB- Shawntae Spencer
CB- Syd’Quan Thompson(if nate is gone)
FS- Dashon Goldson
 SS- Eric Berry

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Spikes probably sticks around

Can Parys play ILB?

Goldson better off at SS and Berry FS. Have you seen DG try to cover?!?

by Tre9er on Dec 9, 2009 6:07 AM PST up reply actions  

ha ha very true

our pass rush has been amazing and the protection has looked great the last two games… but it can’t hurt to add some potential great players

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions  

A 1st round Mock

Only because rlott requested it….
(I used the same order as you)

1.Cleveland – J Clausen QB N Dame
2.Tampa Bay N. Suh DT Neb.
3.St. Louis Jake Locker QB Wash.
4.Detroit – Russell Okung LT Ok St.
5.Washington- Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
6.Kansas City – Bruce Campbell OT Maryland
7.Buffalo (4-8) – Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma
8.Oakland (4-8) – Taylor Mays FS USC
9.Denver – from Chicago (5-7) – Rolando McClain ILB Alabama
10.San Francisco – from Carolina (5-7) Eric Berry SS Tenn.
11.Seattle (5-7) – Trent Williams LT Okla.
12.San Francisco (5-7) – Brian Bulaga OT Iowa
13.Houston (5-7) – Joe Haden CB Flo.
14.Tennessee (5-7) – Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss
*15.Pittsburgh (6-6) – Dan Williams NT Tennessee
16.New York Jets (6-6) – Golden Tate WR ND
17.Atlanta (6-6) – Derrick Morgan DE Georgia Tech
18.Miami (6-6) – Terrance Cody NT Ala.
19.Baltimore (6-6) – Damian Williams WR USC
20.New York Giants (7-5) – Earl Thomas S Tex.
21.Jacksonville (7-5) – Tim Tebow QB Flo.
22.New England (7-5) – C.J. Spiller RB Clemson
23.Green Bay (8-4) – Charles Brown OT USC
24.Dallas (8-4) – Ras I Dowling S/CB Virginia
25.Philadelphia (8-4) – Mike Upati G Idaho
26.Seattle – from Denver (8-4) – Donovan Warren CB Michigan
27.Arizona (8-4) – Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
28.Cincinnati (9-3) – Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State
29.San Diego (9-3) – Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
30.Minnesota (10-2) – Sean Witherspoon OLB Mizz
31.Indianapolis (12-0) – Anthony Davis OT Rutgers
32.New Orleans (12-0) – Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma

*I had a lot of trouble with this pick, I considered a Guard but it was too high, I just picked D. Williams because he was the BPA and I couldn’t find anything else…maybe Travis Lewis…..

Previewing it I kind of disagree with a few of these picks, but some GMs are really dumb

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

I noticed that as well, but I don't think it will happen

Plus, I’m not really sure I’ld want him to fall to us. Safeties are right up there with QB’s and WR’s in success/bust rate making them a riskier pick. While offensive lineman are one of the safest picks. I’m not saying the 49ers shouldn’t take Berry if he’s there, only that they need so much help with their O-line, I’ld rather they used both 1st rounders on that, or 1 first rounder on a T and the second rounder on a G.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It's all about position coaches getting the best out of what they have

Pure athlete like Crabtree and I am sure you were happy we got him

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by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Berry won't bust

unless he gets hurt. He’s that surefire.

I think Denver picking McClain is pretty spot on. McClain is another can’t miss guy. Watching him run down Demps pretty much sealed any questions I may have had about him.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

better falling to 10 then...

getting him higher…although 10’s still holdout, bust…

by Tre9er on Dec 9, 2009 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Could see you put alot of effort in to that with your copy and paste

rearrangment….real original thoughts there

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

?

I agreed with A LOT of his selections (especially the first 5) why would I change them?

If you’re going to criticize then at least criticize the picks individually and not the entire mock.

And why wouldn’t I copy/paste the order?
What could I possibly gain from writing the same thing again?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Well evidently you just don't have any original thoughts

You just jump on a bandwagon that sounds good. I am not criticizing the mock… I am criticizing the lack of effort and thought on your part

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

What original thoughts?
I’m just putting names next to a number.

How much more of an effort did I have to put in?
Did I have to disagree with rlott on the No.2 pick and move Suh out of the top 5?
Did I have to mock Eric Berry to DET even though they obviously need a LT?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m just putting names next to a number.

This says it all.

You arent thinking of team needs.
Who will fit where
Why teams will do what and where
Etc

…just no effort. Keep using that Top 5 argument, you’re definitely winning the debate here with that.

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you looked at the mock?

KC can’t keep Cassel upright so I mocked them (what I thought was) the best OT available.
BUF still sucks at stopping the run so I mocked them Gerald McCoy.

I did this for 20-25 of the picks (the others I left alone because I agreed with).

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't worry

Drew K wants Mallett with a 1st round pick and thinks Spiller will go top 10.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

1st round?

You are really making yourself sound intellegent there

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

He said 2nd rounder

So I exaggerated – A little. Our 2nd round pick will come early 40ish so just outside the 1st round – when there are still talents like Jerry Hughes on the board.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Or maybe - you don't know what you're talking about

Because they obviously put enough thought into it to say. Andra Davis is about done and Denver is gonna replace him with McClain… Hmmm

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Look here

Just because I proved you wrong about Haden does not mean you have to keep saying I dont know what I am talking about. All you are doing here is making yourself out to be a sinister…

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Then maybe you should pay attention to the fact

that he/she actually did take the time to write out a different mock. Instead of making yourself look like a complete jackass.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Me pay attention? You should check yourself before you call out others

Obviously there is no logic in even responding to you. Every time I hit reply it just brings me down to your level.

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He

chikmagnet <——-Me

Come on dude.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes Drew wants real effort

He wants the Lions passing on Okung and taking Spiller and Suh dropping outside the top 10

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Suh dropping outside the top 10?

Your sarcasm is even a fail… I never mentioned anything about Suh. Wow

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Quinn's been playing well lately

They may want to give him another year before declaring him a bust. Not that it isn’t posible they won’t go for Clausen, only that I’m not sure they will.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

True

Jason Campbell has also been playing well and WAS may not take a new QB.

I can disagree with almost all 32 of the selections I just mocked, I just went with what I thought would happen if the draft was held today.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I just hope the 49ers don't draft a QB

I’ld love it if the 49ers got Berry and Bulaga.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

They won't go QB in the 1st

but it would not surprise me to see a QB at some point in next years draft

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Next I think

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

after 2010

his deal runs through the 2010 season, same as Alex Smith’s contract.

by AB83Rules on Dec 8, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

If that's true, then I really doubt they'll draft a QB

At least not in the first 3 rounds. They might take a flyer on a QB late in the draft and see what sticks, but that’s about it. If they did choose one early on, which QB gets the boot? Smith, Hill, or Davis? I doubt they’ld keep 4 QB’s on the roster.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Davis and that guy would battle it out

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I lol'd

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a QB rich draft

there are a great many decent QBs who will be coming out and a good one could be picked up in the 4th or 5th.

Dump Hill, have the new guy and Davis battle it out.

Or let all three battle it out and loser gets cut.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

And either way Smith is our guy clearly for next year

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Copy and paste that mock in the new thread

I wasn’t on when it posted

True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!

Blk Sand Ninja-

by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

it really isn’t that good of a draft for QBs. especially relative to other positions. Clausen locker and bradford are all good. Next is Pike, a 2nd rounder probably, then mallett. Pike figures as a backup and mallet would be a project, probly 2 years before he can start.

NFL scouts don’t like McCoy because he plays in a spread (a real spread) and makes 1 read before he runs. The same for Tebow.

Jevan Snead probably won’t declare.

this is really for drew k: Keenum is a system product who plays in conference USA. MAC is better than conference USA, and Nate Davis put up good numbers in college too.

This draft is rich in some things, but not quarterbacks.

by hellaninersfan on Dec 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Pike will be a bronco

True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!

Blk Sand Ninja-

by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

i tthink he is the best QB in the draft

True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!

Blk Sand Ninja-

by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I am tempted to agree with that

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He's definitely the most NFL ready

But I’d say that Clausen and (especially) Locker have more upside.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

That kid is the one

He has the it factor

True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!

Blk Sand Ninja-

by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

He just need to put on some weight

He looks like he would have problems playing in Candlestick. With the way the wind blows and swirls there, he is liable to float off like a kite

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Just teaching a better throwing motion to get more zip.

McDaniels will make him a superstar if he wants him. he may wait and get LeFevour.

True knowledge is knowing you know, nothing!!

Blk Sand Ninja-

by rlott#42 on Dec 8, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasnt talking about his passes

I was talking about him…he’s a bean pole

If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.

by Drew Kerr on Dec 8, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Bronco's need to replace Andra Davis who is old

They have McClain who is can’t miss written ALL OVER THEM

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 8, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely disagree

This draft is very rich in QBs.

Not necessarily in sure-fire NFL stars, but very solid QBs whou could be developed into stars.

Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.

by smileyman on Dec 8, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

But teams like DET, SEA, and KC may just draft BPA and won’t let Berry fall that far.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

TRUE

were all praying that Berry falls but one team before us is going to miss out on there pick and go with BPA. And who is that…. ERIC BERRY. sucks but who knows we got crabtree..

by GMARCH on Dec 8, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

nice

Nice mock, but disagree with a few,

1. Spiler wont fall that much, he might not get past us at either of our 2 1sts.

2. Dont see Travis Lewis as a 1st rd pick, not over Penn State’s Navorro Bowman.

3. I cant see Dez Bryant falling far as well, maybe not even past us.

and 4th, Morgan is clearly a top 10-15 Pick atleast, he is a beast, and will be a great 4-3 DE.

overall good job.

Ill try and post my own mock later here.

by AB83Rules on Dec 8, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought Bowman wanted to go back to school.

Glad to hear your feedback, though.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

hmmm

Not sure to be honest, lol.

I hadnt heard that, but its possible.

by AB83Rules on Dec 8, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard it during a game.

But that was earlier in the season.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He hasn't declared for the draft yet.

But he did say if he knew he’ld go in the first round than he probably would. At least that’s what my google search turned up.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Dec 8, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

AH

Good stuff, hadnt heard that. Thanks for the Info.

by AB83Rules on Dec 8, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

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