Mike Singletary Approval Rating, Week 13
by David Fucillo on Dec 8, 2009 7:00 AM PST
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I think it's safe to say Mike Singletary did not have a particularly good Sunday. And I'd imagine that will end up being reflected in this week's approval rating. Last week, I made a comment about how if the 49ers couldn't find some consistency we'd find ourselves up and down in these ratings the rest of the way. How right I turned out to be. Two weeks ago, Singletary's rating was at 61%. Last week it sky-rocketed back up to 96%, reflecting excitement over what may not have been such a mind-blowing win after all. Over at ESPN, Singletary's rating has begun a nose-dive this week to 47%, which is the first time it's been below 50%. Heck, it's the first time it's dropped blow 60%.
There has always been a bit of confusion from some about what exactly we're voting for in this approval rating. Is it just how you feel at this exact moment, or is it meant to consider the length of the season. At the end of the season, we'll end up having multiple posts about Coach Singletary. I think we can have separate discussions about his general performance in 2009, and then how he has improved from 2008 to 2009. I like the idea of breaking those up so we can clear up people's views on the man. However, for the purposes of this poll, I continue to leave it up to you to decide what exactly you're voting for in yes or no.
I remain curious at this point though about the development of Mike Singletary as a head coach. A lot of articles about Coach Singletary point to how he's still a relatively new coach who is developing in all facets of the game. There have been a lot of instances where one can sense the growing pains. The game management skills will be coming along, but then hit a road block. Sunday's game against Seattle could arguably be considered the low point in terms of organization. As bad as the timeout to start the game was, it was just one of many instances of what seemed to be a lack of preparation. And it's not even necessarily being prepared for specific game plan issues. It's little things like getting plays in quickly, or proper utilization of timeouts.
Are these just the mistakes of an inexperienced head coach? Is this something Coach Singletary will be able to process in the offseason? You can't exactly practice your game management like you can practice catching passes or working out in the gym. I'm sure some might recommend he play a little Madden, but we won't get into that here. Anyways, I remain curious on the improvements we've seen, and still need to see from Mike Singletary, for this team to continue (or kick-start) its assent back to prominence.
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To answer your question
Fooch says:
Are these just the mistakes of an inexperienced head coach?
Yes. I think he’s building a foundation, and while many niner fans were expecting playoffs this year, some people were much more measured in their assessment in the team. The way that the Niners advertising wing has already cannonized Singeltary, I’m not afraid that Jed & Co will pull the plug on him. I think he’s learning on the job, identfying our weak spots, and progressing at a slow pace. I like that he was nimble enough to go from one end of the spectrum (run run run) to the other (pass first questions later) in the blink of an eye.
A tough loss on the road to a division foe won’t sour me on Singletary, just like a season below 500 (which I expected) won’t either. So long as the players respect him, I believe he should be given an opportunity to make his program work.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
Blink of an eye? There were four games between Alex Smith’s half in Houston and the eventual conversion to the logical spread offense against Jacksonville.
+1 on rookie coach
Difference in play and in the locker room has improved. I want the playoffs next year of course and I want the playoffs this year to but were new to this system. Its rare for team to be successful with a new system . All the games were so close this year accept for few games.
Were young, new head coach and offensive coordinator . I know we are not a push over team I feel every Sunday we have chance to win no matter who we play. It never felt this way with Nolan. A blind man can see that.
It’s definitely not an eternity, but I don’t think “blink of an eye” is the right way to describe it. Bloggers, Bay Area sportswriters, and young members of the 49ers’ offense all apparently realized the type of offense that would work best for this roster long before Singletary did- and he had to slowly be convinced of it over the course of three loses.
If you think you overhaul your whole offense in one week then the term
realistis may be needed in your vocabulary. Not tryin’ to sound like an A!! but, there has to be an amount of patience with a new HC, OC, QB, and DC that is finally calling his own plays. Players have to adjust to this stuff too.
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We started seeing elements of the deep passing game
after Houston. It does take time to draw up new plays and work them in practice.
I do wish people would stop calling it the spread though, because it isn’t.
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spread
when the offense is in shotgun formation with receivers and TEs split out wide to spread the defense, it’s a spread. No, it’s not the spread, but it’s a spread.
This 2-TE shotgun set is sweet though, I just wish the players could execute a bit better. Delanie really needed to catch that TD, and VD needed to catch his TD, and blah blah blah, you get it, lots of drops.
Alex Smith may have been the #1 overall pick but he still can’t tell why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
Disagree completely
most of the time when we’re in the 2 TE set one or both of the TE are lined off tackle. That’s not spreading the defense out in any way.
We had a couple snaps where we had everybody up on the LOS, including Gore, so those were spreads.
Our base offense isn’t.
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anytime Walker is in the slot
I’ma refer to it as a spread.
I understand your disagreement, and it’s valid, completely. However, no team in the NFL runs a true spread, do they? In other words, a true spread in the NFL as a base offense = silly.
It is the shotgun though, we can agree on that.
Alex Smith may have been the #1 overall pick but he still can’t tell why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
I can understand why you'd call it
We ran a more true spread most of the last quarter because Walker wasn’t in.
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Not a true spread, but
The extra TE allows Alex more time (he’s only been sacked once in the past two weeks), and puts in a player (Delanie) who has better speed and better hands than Moran Norris.
Alex has gotten better finding his checkdown
The Seahawks blitzed one extra man whenever the 49ers tried to go to the spread in the 2nd half. Alex checked down, but without enough yardage on 1st and 2nd down, weren’t able to get enough yards for the 1st.
It's hard for me to vote yes
It really is. I know this team doesn’t have a lot of talent, but it’s got enough to win games they should win (SEE: @ Seattle). I’m not sure I like what Sing is doing, because it feels like the Nolan regime all over again. Big talk, no walk. The team carries a big stick, but doesn’t know how to swing it yet.
I’m getting so tired of the best part of the season being the offseason. I’m waiting to vote, because someone – anyone? – will come along and sway me, I just know it!
Alex Smith may have been the #1 overall pick but he still can’t tell why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
I've got the same dilemna
I like parts of what he’s doing. I like how he’s turned the careers of VD and Alex Smith around. I like his agressiveness—even if it might go too far at times. Better an agressive coach than one who plays to not lose big.
This team is a far better team than what we had last year. The record at this point is better, the games have been much closer. All of our losses except for one have been by 7 points or less. Last year we were blown out pretty much every game.
But.
Two of those losses came on last minute drives by the opposing team. One came on a game when we were ahead at half time, but we never scored again. Those I have to put on the coach as much as the players.
I’m torn too.
However I’m voting no, because I take this poll as an expression of how he did the week before and I think he made some really poor decisions in the Seattle game.
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very good points
and yeah, I like that they aren’t getting blown out too, but a loss is a loss and the close ones hurt more (IMO). No, I wouldn’t be happier if the team was blown out every loss, but at the same time, it would further illustrate that Sing is working with a group that doesn’t have a lot of talent.
The team has a great front 7 in the 3-4, but the remaining 4 are iffy (save for Michael Lewis and possibly Shawntae Spencer, but both can be debated). On Offense, the team has a stud in VD, a rising rookie in Crabs, and an improving QB. Outside of that, there’s only Frank Gore. Behind an O-Line like the one we’ve got, no one stands much a chance.
I think I’ve just swayed myself to “yes”, because really, Sing is doing a fine job with such a [site decorum] team.
Alex Smith may have been the #1 overall pick but he still can’t tell why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Great front 7
If we had a top pass rusher, along the lines of Ware/Freeney/Harrison, then we’d have a great front-7. We’d also have two or three more wins with such a great pass rush threat. Which IMO shows that coaching, at some point, can only reach its max when they have enough great players to compliment the good players. We now have many good/solid/professional players that work hard. Most talent since 2003. We’ll continue turning the corner with stability at QB and O-coordinator, plus a training camp for Crabtree. But we won’t fully turn the corner and be a top team until we have one difference maker rushing the QB, one intercepting the QB, and a RT to protect our QB.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I'm on the 4 game plan
with several players, namely Gore and Lawson/Haralson/Brooks (and to a lesser extent, Alex Smith).
They have 4 games, with all of the practices, playing time, cohesion time, gel time, whatever you call it…to show that they are getting better, can perform in our system, and that we can utilize them.
Thus far, granted against poor O-Lines, I’m happy with what pass rush we’ve got the past two weeks.
basically I'm saying evaluate in stages
At this point we take the question marks and see how they finish the season. Next step is see what we can get in Free Agency. Then we’ll be able to see what we think we need in the draft, and if those players are available. Then comes camp where final decisions get made.
I personally
like the way Haralson and Lawson are playing, and Brooks too. Our OLBs seem pretty solid to be honest. They are getting pressures, forcing turnovers and making sacks.
Alex Smith may have been the #1 overall pick but he still can’t tell why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Great busts in Niner history?
here’s a couple of examples
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
what
were
we talking
about again?
Alex Smith may have been the #1 overall pick but he still can’t tell why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
by Andrew Davidson on Dec 9, 2009 5:42 AM PST up reply actions
My question is
Which one is a lawyer or in law school and which one is in med school? That’s seems to always end up being their background in everyday life.
hmmm
I don’t recognize either from my law school. I’ll scour the Bay Area to find their law school if need be!
by David Fucillo on Dec 9, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
He’s a reminder of trying to find CB through the draft. I have no problem drafting a 1st Round safety, most have lived up or exceeded the hype.
I prefer to not take either in the 1st round
Safety busts locally include Dana Hall, Patrick Bates, Michael Huff. Corner busts include Drakeford and McQuarters. I think good DBs can be found in the later rounds, but will take a year or two to develop. Merton Hanks didn’t start at safety until his third year and he was drafted as a CB. Eric Davis didn’t start until his third year, though I believe injury cost him his second. My hope is that Terrel Brown continues to get better, Goldson can replace Lewis and we find a Safety.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Declared for draft
Is it known whether or not Berry will come out for the draft? He’s a junior.
It also looks like he hasn’t played much this season. He apparently didn’t play in five consecutive games.
safeties get hurt
and he’s a big hitter. i don’t like it either. Lewis has had 18 concussions this year too though and Taylor is on IR. Smith had a groin for a long time. Ed reed was out last night. When you’re the last line of defense against big dudes…it happens.
he was used a ton more in run support this year too which doesn’t help. He would be more of a true Free Safety with us and hopefully that will help his health.
The record at this point is better, the games have been much closer.
I don’t remember where I read this before, but a lot of the “surprise” teams from year to year are teams that lost close games the year before. I’m not saying that the 49ers are going to definitely succeed next year, but the losses this year don’t feel like the losses from the Nolan (or Erickson) years. The team is losing close games because they’re not making mistakes and not capitalizing on the opponents mistakes. They’re not losing because they just flat out don’t execute anymore.
I’m also not voting. I’m still satisfied overall, but I’m very dissatisfied with this last game. Bad officiating. Sloppy play. Those wasted time outs in the first half. Stupid penalties. A defense that continues to “bend” but not break the opponent into field goal range at the end of the game. Coaching miscommunications. And excuses for almost all of it in the pressers.
Thank god for Alex Smith, or I wouldn’t have anything nice to say about the game at all.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't hear excuses
I did hear Sing say it was his fault, the team wasn’t better prepared and Coaches won’t always do that or say that.
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I mean, I heard him say that the reverse was his fault, but a lot of the rest of it seems very tinged with “it’s not on us” kind of talk. That whole thing about how Mora had a lot of advantages that he wasn’t going to talk about (implying much, Sing?), and the whole issue about sending a long list of grievances to the league about officiating… I don’t know. Maybe I read too much into it. Even when he was kind of taking the blame, it all felt very “waaaah, unfair!” to me.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
It's not like it wasn't true
1st and goal on that particular drvie would have been huge instead of turnover on downs. There are always missed calls, he said that as well, and realitically, the 49ers were hosed in the first half by the refs, But he did also mention the turnovers and dropped passes. They asked the question about writing the league he didn’t provide that info without being asked for it. he added in it would be longer than usual and it is what happened. I watchd the game and it wqs horse dung.
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It was a poorly officiated game, and the Niners did get hosed, but it wasn’t a game that the officials took out of our hands. It was a poorly managed, poorly played game that happened to have some really crappy calls on top of it. Making any concessions for the team’s play by implying that Mora had some sort of unspecified unfair advantage or by putting anything at the feet of the officials just starts to feel apologistic to me.
I guess he did cover the poor play, but to me he just didn’t sound frustrated by it the same way he did about the other stuff. He just seems so positive about the way these guys played.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
There was a lot of positive to take from this game.
Subtract the reverse and Gore’s fumble and the Niners put this one away. Sing said he didn’t second guess any of his decisions, when Belichik does it for making worse decisions, with superior talent and more years under his belt at HC, why is it not a problem. I thought he handled the presser as he usually does, he doesn’t publicly ridicule his players, how’s that working for Tomlin? Not at all, I just wish I could hear behind that closed Niner facility door, I am sure he didn’t mention the refs screwing them over.
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I don’t want him to start calling out players. I want him to express sincere displeasure with the quality of the play. I’m tired of head nods and “we made some mistakes… BUT”s. Smith and Willis aside, the team played like crap.
That said, I’m probably being too hung up about it. I said above I might be reading too much into it. And I certainly don’t expect Singletary to be sincere during his pressers, because he almost never sounds sincere with the media anymore. I’m just frustrated that they played so poorly in a game they should have won easily. And the usual “played their tails off” lines don’t really appease that frustration anymore.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
“And I just want to make sure our players, coaches, staff, fans, everybody involved with the 49ers, everybody that cares about the 49ers, I want them to understand this is not about the referees. They didn’t fumble the ball. They didn’t throw interceptions. They didn’t make bad plays. We did. So I don’t want to put this on the referees. I certainly feel some of those calls were questionable, but if we had done what we’re supposed to do, we overcome that and we win the football game.”
Sounds like he’s doing exactly what you want him to, Howie.
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
But howy..
If that first timeout was due to the refs not letting the Niner defense sub to match Seattle’s subs, is that not on the refs? If not, then it’s on Manusky not Sing. A DC has no excuse not having his unit ready for the first play of the game.
I’m also interested in why most people think the other two timouts were wasted. Don’t most teams use them before 4th down plays? I think what made them seem wasted was that all three were gone in the first quarter. For me, the first 4th down should not have required a TO simply because on 3rd and goal they should’ve known they’d go for it if the pass was incomplete, so I do put that on Sing/Raye. I also credit Raye for using the time to call an excellent play that worked as designed. As for the second TO, I don’t consider that a waste. It was third & long, they ended up a yard dhort and called a TO. That’s what they’re there for. That they scored a TD after the TO makes it quite worth it.
First half tiemouts should be used when not aligned properly or prior to 4th down. Second half TOs should be guarded with your life. And we had all three at the end of game 2-minute warning.
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first half timeouts
are important, but not as important as second half timeouts. you can speculate…but the end of the half is not the end of the game.
so I agree
voted no
mostly because i feel that he’s in panic mode right now. it looks as if he’s just doing anything to get a win and has no philosophy. am i wrong??? I want so hard to believe in him but with every game being sooo very different from the others it just looks wrong to me. but just because my vote is no by no way means that i want to see him replaced. i do think he can be a very good head coach some day. i just hope that he uses this season to figure it out and come out strong next year.
I think you are wrong
Seattle has been stopping the run since their DL has been healthy and our OL is crap. Passing was the way to go and Smith did excellent, his best game by far.
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Football Outsiders had Seattle ranked very high
in run defense. Gore got a couple of lucky breaks the first time around.
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Voted yes.
Isn’t this 49ers team playing better than any other team under another coach in what, 7 years? It may not be reflected in the W/L tally, which in the end is what counts, but, only one game this season were they not in it, which was ATL. Any other game, a play here, or being on the right side of luck, and we are on top of the division. I think I would like to give Sing a full season, from week 1-17. Next season I have HIGH expectations for this team. If things go the same way next season, THEN i will disapprove.
by ZonaBacks10 on Dec 8, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This.
Well said. Tis why I voted yes.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Dec 8, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
The worst thing Singletary did was
to hire jimmy Raye. He was so run happy he scared off any legitamite candadates like Linahan (the lions OC). It says a lot that someone would chose to go to the Lions over the 9ers.
Linehan
probably chose the Lions over the Niners to parlay his OC gig into a HC gig. Think about it for a second, if Linehan takes an 0-16 team’s offense and vastly improves it, his name is back into the fold as hot-HC prospects in the future.
If he goes to San Francisco and does what Sing asks, he’s just an OC doing what he’s told. Yeah, it would’ve been nice to have Linehan over Raye though.
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by Andrew Davidson on Dec 8, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
No it wasn't
You have to look at the long term for the ENTIRE team. Why bring in an OC that may leave in one season and not have enough contnuity to bring up our QB coach?
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Totally agree
I’m glad I’m not seeing too many comments calling for Raye’s head. To do that would be foolish. Unless it’s evident that the coach is so stubborn that he won’t do anything to help make his team evolve and play to it’s strengths, to let that coach go and basically start from scratch again is inviting more trial and error, more setbacks and little chance for advancement to the next level. I actually like the possibility that if nothing else, we likely won’t have to subject to a quick fix to (in reality) temporarily get this team where it needs to be. If there is no significant improvement in the offense next year (we’re starting to see it now) we know we can look within the system to find our next prospect.
To rephrase
I meant to say we ARE starting to see improvement. It looked like I said we’re starting to see that there won’t be significant improvement. :)
It's hard to vote NO!
Seattle by far is the worst team that we have lost to. Let us keep in mind it is one of the most difficult stadiums in the league to play in. Also with the given situation, an inept OL and tons of injuries the 49ers today are leagues better than last season. While our record doesn’t indicate it, we have played a tougher schedule than last year and have been in all games but 1. We had a chance to win in all of those games, and came up short. Most of our shortcomings is due to the lack of continuity, which is a result of what I stated before, new HC, OC, QB, and a lack of reps for the O as a unit. AThe defense has been stellar aside from one game and it’s a lot to build due to the age of our entire team. Not to mention the horrible no call to take points form us in Seattle and bonehead TO’s that cost us the Seattle victory.
Sing got my approval for the season, because A) he gave Hill the chance to start that Hill rightfully earned, at the same time he let Smith get healthier and more familiar with the basics of the playbook and not just throwing him in the same situation again. Vernon is playing his tail off despite the drops. If he were making those tough catches he’d be the best TE in the whole NFL. Bringing in Raye is up in the air and could potentially be one of the best things to happen to our team. Before we go nuts, Mike Johnson is the likely predecessor, he has plenty of time with SMith at QB as well as all of Davis’s time this year, and it can be a change made when neccessary and not be set back in time as far as the continuity is concerned. Let’s think a bit, Smith is 25, Willis 25, Davis 26, crabtree 22, Spencer 27, and so on and so on. We have a solid nucleus to build off of and Sing also has to deal with the fact our idiot HC from past was drafting for defense and not the offense.
Sing is going in the right direction for the future, and if not fo rmental lapses of a BUNCH of young players wed be in the playoffs NOW.
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Sing is going in the right direction for the future, and if not fo rmental lapses of a BUNCH of young players wed be in the playoffs NOW.
Particularly with this. When Fooch posts his end of season poll I’ll vote with a whole-hearted yes. I just think that Sing could’ve done things differently to give us the win in Seattle (not leaving off any blame to the players).
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I would give SIng a hell yeah
If he made the whole team practice catching tennis balls!
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I abstained this time. Clearly it was a step backwards and a generally poorly coached and executed game last week. But I have always been voting “season-to-date” in these pools, so I can’t really vote “No” just yet. And I can’t really vote Yes after last week.
So, meh
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i voted no this week
I reserve my voting for my opinion of this weeks game and not my overall feeling of Sing as HC. Overall I approve of him, and I feel like some of these mistakes are things you would see with any first time HC so I’m willing to give him a pass and just hope that he learns from his mistakes and tries to correct them.
I voted no this week because the team came out and looked unprepared and not as fired up as I thought they should have been. I mean this was a divisional game against a rival team we should have beat to help us secure a spot in the playoffs, the same playoffs that Sing pretty much guaranteed we would be in after that Vikings game.
I like what Andrew Davisdon said above
Big talk, no walk. The team carries a big stick, but doesn’t know how to swing it yet.
This is another reason I voted no, at this point I have had enough of Sing’s cliches and quotes and all of that. I didn’t listen to his presser yesterday and I probably won’t listen to anything else from him the rest of this season. All it is now to me is talk with nothing to back it up. “We’ll see them again in the playoffs.” Right, we’ll see them, unfortunately we’ll be watching on TV.
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
My un-original take
We’re a young team. Heck, a lot of the veterans on this team aren’t that good (ie. Roman, Bly, Battle). Most of the talent lies in our youngest players. Add to that a rookie HC, new OC, Alex Smith playing healthy and somewhat confident for the first time…
We’re a JV team right now. We might sneak a win on the Varsity here and there, and we’ve got load of talent, promise, etc. But we need a year or two before we’re going to have the experience to confidently know what to do in every situation.
I agree the whole receiving core should be catching tennis balls, having "think-fast!’ drills, etc. I wish we could see what was going on behind closed doors to eliminate the ME’s this team had in the game. I sincerely hope VD stops this “I didn’t see the pass until it was right on me” junk. Maybe it was thrown early…don’t make excuses though. Just say that big time players make big time plays and you gotta come down with that one next time. Then actually go to work and don’t just say it.
The measure of this coaching staff and this team will be evident next year. You’ve essentially got two guys who just started playing together in Alex and Crabtree…no camp…a lot of guys were hurt in camp or preseason, we’ve got guys on IR now…
Most of the starters will be back next year with exception of some of the O-Line and some secondary players probably. Once the coaching staff has a full year of tape on the current roster, gets them into camp next year…everyone’s familiar with each other, the system…then we can pass judgement.
Next year I will be part of the “playoffs or bust crowd”, to be sure. This year…Let’s finish strong and continue to get better.
by Tre9er on Dec 8, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good point about the veterans
And how about the fact that most of the veterans have never been to the playoffs. This includes the talented guys like Clements and Spikes.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Neither one of them went to the playoffs while at Buffalo?
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Looking at those ESPN ratings reminds me of the latest polls on Obama.
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That this percentage swings so widly based on a win or loss
Says that, understandibly, fans are looking for someone to blame. I’d start with the players not the HC. His team is prepared every game. They’ve had a legit chance to win every game minus one, including a few road games that the majority of NN (and other experts) thought they’d get destroyed in. They’ve handled the switches in offensive philosophy, QB, WR, LT, RT and other injuries as well as any team could. That they’ve done this as a young team says that the leadership is solid.
The defense has allowed one FG on 12 opening drives all season. The offense has improved the past month, scoring first quarter points in 5 of the past 6 games. The ST coverage units continue to be strong despite the many injuries changing which players are out there.
The players lost the game Sunday. Being tied in the 4th quarter of a divisonal road game is quite common, even when you’re the better team. The win was there for the taking and the players, who were put in position to win, failed. It sucks but it happens. At least the coaching staff wasn’t playing to not lose. They put it on the players to win which for me is a big step forward for this staff.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I can't speak for those fans
But I didn’t feel this way about Nolan. I also don’t recall Nolan’s team being this solid every week, regardless of opponent. I do recall many road blowouts, missed challenges and bad challenges. I could be wrong but I think every challenge SIng has made this season was a good decision. I see the two as vastly different but can understand why you are feeling a sense of deja vu.
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Singletary is coaching a Nolan built team..
From his GM on down. Nolan brought Singletary in. I don’t like Nolan one bit, but Singletary is benefiting from the work Nolan put in as far as overhauling the Organization. I doubt Singletary could do that.
Well, we're waiting....
that's true
but he’s taking the “Nolan built” team to the next level. He’s finishing what Nolan couldn’t, which was to actually coach the team to better play.
Taking the team to the next level..
Is taking them to above .500 ball and beyond.
Well, we're waiting....
call me clueless
but I choose to believe that margin of defeat means something too. that and the team is improving, is young, and has another draft and training camp coming. ya take all of that and to me, maybe i’m in fantasy land, but I think we win more than a few of the close ones we lost this year…next year.
If a team is progressing under one administration
That’s what usually happens. One year (this year) blowout losses become close losses and some close losses become wins. You hope that the next season, with more maturity/experience and time in the same system, plus upgrades via draft and FA, that some close wins become blowout wins and close losses become wins. It’s also worth noting that this year’s schedule is tougher.
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Despite the box score...
HOU and GB pretty much won those games in the first half. HOU was after a bye week too.
Let’s at least try to keep this honest, shall we?
Well, we're waiting....
When you're driving for the win with 2-min left
The game is not won. And who mentioned either of those games? Seems you’re being dishonest and off topic. Or as usual, looking for some way to undercut any statement or opinion with a hint of optimism. Go back under the rock drummer. You’re lost on this one.
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HOU was up 21 to zip in the first half..
after a bye week. Before the bye week? Blown out by ATL.
GB had that game done in the first half.
That’s what happened. I think you’re the one under a rock here.
Well, we're waiting....
So teams should give up?
Or keep playing, show some character and, I don’t know, try to win? Let me guess, if the Niners are up 21-0 at the half on any team ever, but need a late INT to win 24-21, drummer will rip the coach and maybe players for getting a lucky win that they didn’t deserve. Your analysis always leans toward the Niners being awful and at fault. So predictable. So cynical. So drummer.
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He had to make a change at QB..
In HOU. That changed the previous game plan that wasn’t working anymore. GB had that game sewn early. Late rally’s aren’t giving up, but the getting jumped on big early shows they weren’t prepared well to begin with.
You can continue to keep trying putting words and trying paint a picture of my posts, psyche, etc. That shows more about you in this debate than what you are trying to show others about me.
Well, we're waiting....
Good teams also gets jumped on early
but they make adjustments for a comeback win. We have made the adjustments and have gotten close. You can’t even make an argument on GB for we got within a TD with 6 minutes left. All the defense needed to do was stop GB with enough time for Smith to get one shot to take the lead. Many teams usually gets 2 shots with that much time remaining. GB managed to succeed at eating the entire time up. But they had to eat up that clock and not give SF a chance to win the game or at least take the lead.
And it was 30-24
with a little under 6 minutes remaining. We get the ball back and score another TD and we would’ve led. It all comes down to how you finish. Keep in mind that I blamed the defense for that loss because of that last 6 minute failure to stop GB and set up a chance to win the game.
Is that how you determine the winner?
Is this part of your fantasy league?
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Now you've melted down?
Guess you’re out of bad ideas. But glad I could help you along. Now take a breath, perhaps a drink, and turn your brain off for a bit. You’ve been overloaded with way too much logic today and I know you can only handle so much.
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Say, SpurredOn
Remember that game 6 years ago when Tampa Bay was leading Indianapolis 35-14 with 5:09 remaining in the 4th? They sure sewn that game up, didn’t they?
Totally
drummer turned off the TV and the next day it took over an hour to explain how Indy won. Still not sure he gets it.
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Ok. Ok. Let me start from the beginning.
This is a football.
Yes and we had a chance to
When you have a chance to, the game wasn’t sewn.
Make that your quote
It says so much about your philosophy. Forgive me but, I’ll take Sing’s words.
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Football is a game of four quarters
Neither of us is lying!!
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It shows I've hit hammer to nail
As your frustration prooves. Though you’re pretty see through so that didn’t require much on my part.
I also disagree about them not being prepared. The Houston game exposed a weaknesses that could no longer be overcome by the rest of the team: Hill at QB. The GB game the Niners opened by driving for points. They had a horrible 2nd quarter. Much like they had a good 3rd quarter. It happens. GB is better, especially in their stadium. And yet the Niners were within 6 with over 5-minutes remaining. So I guess Sing’s great coaching had them in position to win a game that they shouldn’t have been able to.
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Again..
GB was up 30-10 in the 4th. HOU was up 21-0 in the first half, after a bye.
Well, we're waiting....
So now you like small sample sizes
Instead of looking at the full picture? With that in mind, will the NFL give the Niners the win over Philly last season, since they were up 9 in the 4th quarter with possession of the ball? Maybe the league can also take away one of Montana’s greatest comebacks, 1980 over New Orleans, since the Saints were up 35-7 at the half. Oh, and that means Mooch never won a playoff game, which is good news for Jim Fassel.
This is what a small mind + small sample size gives you.
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You're more stubborn than people assume Sing to be
You see one thing and don’t let it go, don’t adjust. No new info. No context. No big picture. No flexibility. Just a stubbron old guy. No matter how off base your logic is. So glad you’re not coaching or in our FO.
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Stole my thought
I was going to make that point too. Not to mention the 28 points all scored in the 4th quarter against Philly. But Philly had that game won by the end of three quarters (yes I’m being facetious).
Last time I checked there are four quarters in the average football game.
You think one week is enough time to get a rookie WR ready, gameplan, and travel
And beat a team that had momentum and had the same Offense for a few seasons? You must be drinking.
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Try a little bit yourself
Those games could have still been won.
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Two things
1) Is that benefiting from Nolan’s work or is it correcting Nolan’s work? Hard to say right now.
2) How can a 5-7 record be considered “benefiting”?
He benefits..
From the players and staff Nolan brought in. His DC is also a Nolan hire. Without that DC, this team might not have 5 wins. His GM is another Nolan hire.
Well, we're waiting....
Ironically
WITH Nolan, this team wouldn’t have 5 wins. You say benefit as if Singletary did nothing. That’s a big miscalculation. Resurrecting two players from the bust graveyard is not something to gloss over.
I think Smith is doing great...
and I always thought VD was a great player. But people are also blaming the players for the loss here. This loss was on the coaching, period. This was in week 13 in the NFL, the 49ers 12th game of the season. The o-line still has issues, the offense changed drastically, Gore has disappeared, and the Singletary has scrapped his philosophy on offense.
This is in week 13. With 5 wins.
Well, we're waiting....
Even on Lynch's blog entry this morning
He admitted this loss was on the players. You can’t drop TDs and fumble in scoring territory, plus miss two open receivers on the final drive, and win. That’s on the players. They’re professionals and had opportunities to do their job. They didn’t. It happens but the responsibility falls on their shoulders. If I’m them, I’d rather it be that way than my coach trying to protect me by playing not to lose.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
They lost because of coaching, period...
You want to give credit for Sing when they win, and now you want to blame the players when they lose.
You don’t see that this was a poorly coached game, and those players really needed some solid coaching that day.
Well, we're waiting....
I give credit and balme equally
I just give less of both to the coaches and QB than most fans do. I happen to believe that the HC and QB receive too much credit for wins and too much balme for losses. I think Sing and his staff made a bad decision on the punt return. I thought he made to excellent calls to go on 4th down, though I also know that’s not a right/wrong thing it’s a philosophy thing, so I can’t fault him for going or kicking when in opponents territory.
Other than the punt return, the coaching staff did not hurt the team. The players hurt themselves. Dropped passes. Fumble in the red zone. Missed throws at the end. I know you really want this to be Sing’s fault though I’m not sure why.
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Because it is his fault..
Dropped passes happen in games. It happened in last night’s game. In a close game on the road, coaches have to be smarter than the players.
They weren’t in SEA.
Well, we're waiting....
When it was close late
The RB fumbled. And TE dropped a TD. And QB missed an open WR on the sideline, then missed the TE. Players.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Again..
In a close game on the road, the coaches have to be smarter than the players.
They weren’t in SEA.
Well, we're waiting....
Wrong again
Say it all you want. You’re having as much success as when you yell at the sun for rising.
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Again..
In a close game on the road, the coaches have to be smarter than the players.
They weren’t in SEA.
Well, we're waiting....
they called the right plays
that’s obvious by being in position to win. that was IN SPITE of the mental errors on the players behalf too.
If the coaches were smarter than the players…how do they make them execute? Is smart some sort of newfangled remote control?!?
I don't care, if I want to comment I will.
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Why and how could that make me happy?
Sing is a HC of the 49ers not a savior to the world, get a clue, speaking of your obvious sarcasm.
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Hard to say...
I always thought they were a 7 win team. But that one isn’t on Singletary.
Well, we're waiting....
Agree Rookie Coach, Rookie Mistakes
it comes with the territory… we’re making progress. lets go for 9-7
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"
Two reasons why I voted yes
I invite anyone who didn’t hear it to listen to Sing’s interview on Murph and Mac this morning (www.knbr.com). Even in the toughest of losses, a good coach does not lack for accountability. Sing is no exception. He also was asked if he thought he himself was improving as a coach. His reply bascially was yes in the sense that he is always learning and felt that if there was nothing more for him to learn he would not be doing his job.
He also addressed the silliness of QB won/loss record
Which of course has been a discussed topic here. I think many fans will enjoy that part.
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I definitely enjoy it
If the QB won-loss record was so significant they would be called pitchers
and it still
wouldn’t be significant.
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--Daisy Owl
I think we've learned a lot this year
and the players and coaches have too.
We have a pretty good idea who shouldn’t be back next year player-wise. We know a little bit more about what the offense does well and what it doesn’t do well. We know that the coaches need to work on fundamentals with these young players who got away with not having honed skills until it was time to play big games at the pro level.
It was said and I agree too that a lot of these guys aren’t used to the pressure of actually being IN GAMES (ie. having a chance to win late!). Just like post-season experience, cold-weather experience…you do better once you’ve been there.
I voted yes
1) I vote yes or no based on the week. From the looks of it, so do many others.
2) Mistakes of an inexperienced head coach? Yes, because an experienced head coach wouldn’t have taken responsibility for that reverse blunder. Heck, having experience means having enough of an ego to still believe going for it on 4th and 2 from your own 28 when your team is still leading was a good idea.
3) I voted yes because the loss wasn’t too much on him. Not enough to say no.
I voted yes
There were some coaching errors. Time outs wasted and the admitted miscommunication between the players and coaching staff. However, the players did lose this one. Gore fumbled at a crucial time in the game and Vernon Davis let a pass literally go right directly through his hands. This is one that the players let get away. Combine that with the one-sided play calling from the refs and there is alot to consider when voting.
Sing is a rookie head coach and I think he will take alot of his mistakes from this season and turn it around next. The one thing we knew about Sing as a player, is his constant drive for perfection. He will do the same in the long haul for the Niners
We met in a past life and you were wrong then too
Coaching comparison
Look at Mike Smith in Atlanta. We’d all agree his team has more talent, playoff exerience, continuity with the offensive system and has an established franchise QB & RB. Yet his team is 6-6, having been blownout in Dallas, blownout at home vs Philly, lost in Carolina and needed a coaching error to win at home vs Tampa. He also got into an on-field spat with a Redskins player. Has he lost his ability to coach? Was he never a good HC and just overrated? Or are his players not playing well?
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That
couped with Ryan and Turner being out is why they are sitting at 6-6. But I get your overall point.
We met in a past life and you were wrong then too
Can't use injuries
Nobody gives Sing that leeway. He didn’t have Gore for three games (1-2 record). Clements and Staley have missed five each. Pashos six.
Obviously injuries do play a part, though in Smith’s case his QB was there for all the losses except Philly. But people tend to leave that out when negatively judging our HC but will quickly use it to defend someone elses (I know you weren’t doing that). And imagine the story line had Sing gotten into a shoving match with an opposing player on the field.
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Like the story line when he jawed with a player on an opposing team?..
Hmmm..
Yeah, you forgot that one.
Well, we're waiting....
Yep.
That got way too much attention, even though he made a comment to a dirty player, instead of getting in a shoving match. drummer knows they’re different. He likely knows that’s why I made the comparison. He’s just in his usualy cynical mood today, looking to spread it around.
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Who's mad
I’m laughing that you don’t know of what you speak. It has lightened my mood since Sunday’s loss. So thanks for being you.
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And pro bowl Wideout and Defensive players and HOF TE
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Mike needs to go.
After all the coaching mistakes he made this weekend in Seattle. He need to go. Worst coached game ever.
One more thing. The players didn’t lose this one . Mike did.
I was at the game, Sat in the Hawks Nets. Seahawks fans are the worst in the NFL.
Man was it Butt cold at the game, but I stayed til Mike lost it for us.
While I agree
that it was a poorly coached game, I don’t think you can blame Sing for the loss. If anyone you blame VD for dropping a TD pass, Raye for the horrible call on 3rd and 3 or Everest for calling for the reverse at a time when a big play was furthest from what was needed.
by return2greatness on Dec 8, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Get rid of the coach and start all over and piss off all of the players on the team.
That would be stupid, hence the blissful idea.
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It was for your reasoning
That I chose to not lower myself by replying to that comment :)
missed opportunities
& the refs are the reason we lost. you can say there were coaching mistakes but guess what, coach sign is a rookie hc. even with his mistakes the team had a chance to win & they couldn’t take advantage. did you miss the dropped tds’, fumbles, & over or under thrown balls while you were watching the game. the team overcame coach sings mistakes but couldn’t overcome their own ones.’worsted coached ever", did you forget bout the erikson era.
go niners!!! airday allday
The Refs had nothing to do with it.
The last drive tells the story. There was no way we were going to score. Run the clock out by running the ball. I’ve done the math and the game should have gone to OT. the HC should help the players win the game, noit lose it for them
He should be fired just for his decisions on the last drive.
I guess Mike thought it was to cold in Seattle and wanted to get into the locker room.
So you wanted him to play not to lose?
And trust OT, on the road, on a day when the refs had been awful, where a coin flip could decide the game?
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This.
There wasn’t anything wrong with the last drive’s mentality, per se. The only thing I disagreed with was the automatic “audible” that changed all the 49ers’ routes to deeper routes. If they had kept just one person on a check down route, Smith may have had more of an opportunity to convert on third down.
I didn't see the play
They had no one on a check down route?? Yikes, I question the play calling on that one then. Again I didn’t see the play, maybe there were enough defenders in the box to warrant the audible, but to call a basically one-dimensional pass play in that situation is pretty curious.
According to...
… post game analysis and noted observation by Matt Maiocco on his blog, the 49ers called two plays on that play. If the Seahawks lined up with only three guys on the line of scrimmage, they had one play (which I’m assuming had a variety of options). If the Seahawks lined up with more (the Seahawks ended up lining up five on the line, supposedly), they would “audible” to the other play. Gore was kept in to block, I believe.
Gore was going to be but he had to block the blitzer
I guess man coverage meant reveivers go downfield. It was mis-read by Alex. The safety help went to his right, with both WRs. All alone with two steps on his defender was VD to the left. If Alex makes a better decision the Niners have a first down, likely out of bounds, at or across the 40 yard line with timeouts and over 30 seconds. That’s less than 30 yards to FG range. Imagine how awseome it would’ve felt to win the game that way instead of playing conservative and hoping to win the OT toss.
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Yeah, Alex said he misread the coverage, which ended up being man when he was expecting zone, so he threw the ball where it would have broken a zone. He said that’s the only play he’d want to have back.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I still think they should have kicked the FG on that 4th down play where PI wasn't called.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
Singletary is a great coach given the situation
This team has been marked for death by the NFL.
We need a new stadium. Count on more losing seasons until a new stadium is built or they move away from the Bay Area.
?
what does the stadium and the bay have to do with losing? what about all those yrs of winning in that stadium that’s in the bay?
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
I hope it's OK that I voted!
As a Seahawk fan.
I think he handled Sunday’s game very well and called the right plays. I think he had a feeling he wasn’t going to beat us with the run again (due to a healthy Hawks defense) and chose to put his QB in the most favorable offensive scheme. And it worked. Smith put up the best numbers as a pro QB.
I remember seeing a post a while back (I can’t remember where) opining that Gore should be traded. I thought it was quite interesting, actually. Singletary has found a scheme in which his quarterback (and thus, offense) can succeed. Gore doesn’t fit this new scheme.
Trade Gore while he’s still worth A LOT, and cash in some money players that’ll fit your scheme.
This thought of trading Gore is probably heresy around here (and to some extent, it’s understandable), but would you rather hold on to a fan favorite, or trade him to make your team better?
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
Thanks
For being a gracious winner. Sometimes I do feel like he doesn’t fit the new scheme. A north/south runner is not necessarily suited for a spread-like/shotgun offense. Glen Coffee in his starts has shown to be more of that type of runner. But while he’s here, it is very difficult to bench a workhorse like Gore.
Fearless Frog does all the time, but I don't think it is an honest vote.
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That type of runner
Being one that looks for the whole rather than exploding through the one that he’s told to run through.
?
isn’t it impossible to make the playoffs now though?
"There is no pressure. Pressure only exists when you're not prepared."
-The Samurai
The Cardinals have 8 wins. We only have 7 losses. We can go 9-7. They can go 8-8. Or we can both go 9-7 if we win the tiebreaker.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Heck, we could both go 8-8 if we win the tiebreaker. We don’t even technically have to be perfect.
It’s the Cardinals’ lead to lose, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Dec 9, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
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