Who to Keep
by AB83Rules on Dec 8, 2009 3:00 PM PST
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1st off, let me say, This is a great website, and i thank everyone especially Fooch, who emailed me about positing. And to those who have shown me a nice reception so far in the past 2 days, i appreciate it.
Now, onto my post. Who are the players everyone see's as players we must keep, either for next yr or long term.
My personal favorites are;
QB Alex Smith (I love his attitude, never gave up when benched, looks to be back or reborn)
RB Frank Gore (I love Frank, i hope we keep him, even as a 2nd back)
RB Glen Coffee (Atleast for now, lets see if he can improve)
FB Brit Miller (Nice young player, hoping he develops)
WR Michael Crabtree (Obvious, he is a stud in the making, glad he signed, and glad we drafted him in april)
WR Josh Morgan (Slow start, but has shown some good stuff, gotta sign him when time comes to an extension)
WR Brandon Jones (Keep for now, lets see and give him chances, he hasnt played at WR, and he isnt suited at PR)
WR Jason Hill (Loved him when we drafted him in 2007, we must play him and retain him when time comes after 2010)
TE Vernon Davis (Obvious, STUD, finally coming thru, 10 TD's, must re-sign, give him a 5yr deal)
TE Delanie Walker (Many may not like him, but I say keep him for now, plus no one else at TE)
C Eric Heitmann (Solid, Solid and Solid)
OT Joe Staley (Signed thru 2017, he aint going anywhere)
OT Barry Sims (Hope we keep him, even as Backup)
OG Tony Wragge (Keep him, solid backup)
DE Justin Smith (Loved the signing in 2008, high motor guy, does it all)
DE Kentwan Balmer (Keep for now, needs time to develop)
DT Aubrayo Franklin (Love him, loved the signing in 2007, needs to be kept, turned into legit NT)
DT Ricky Jean-Francois (Like him alot, good pick, needs time)
OLB Manny Lawson (Solid, finaly showing pas rush skills)
OLB Parys Haralson (Also solid, plus signed thru 2013)
OLB Ahmad Brooks (Love his pass rush skills, must keep)
ILB Patrick Willis (BEAST, absoulte BEAST, needs an extension)
ILB Scott McKillop (Loved the pick, goood ST player)
ILB Matt Wilhelm (Give him another yr, plus a fav of Manusky)
CB Nate Clements (Love him, needs better pass rush and better Safety play, and he will play much better)
CB Tarell Brownn (Signed thru 2013, plus solid, needs more time)
CB Shawntae Spencer (Love him, playing good, and its not his contract yr, lol)
CB Reggie Smith (Like him alot, put at RS maybe)
S Dashon Goldson (Should be extended soon, solid)
S Michael Lewis (Always loved the signing in 2007, hope he stays, and plays for a long time, concussion free of course)
S Curtis Taylor (Keep for now, needs time to develop)
PK Joe Nedney (Even if he has missed some, he is still solid)
P Andy Lee (SOLID)
LS Brian Jennings (Love him, creepy looking, but solid)
Ok, thats my list, let me know if you would add or take away anyone or if i missed someone.
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i dont really like
any of the safety options we have as of right now, maybe taylor because he’s young and i think he might have a chance to be good, but other than that, unimpressive
other than that i dont really see a whole lot of problems with this roster, i just think we need some more athletic talent before we can really win, because i think we have a lot of good team leaders on this team, just some playmakers on defense and a strong offensive line is missing
I lol'd at the comment...
… in parenthesis, too. While I agree he should be retained for at least next season (his contract has two more years, I thought), the 49ers should definitely look to upgrade at FS.
In the draft they will (man I hope so)
and move Goldson to SS. If we play enough nickel…he’ll be a LB on those formations anyways. He does need to work on his tackling/angles regardless though.
I think...
… Lewis’ contract will make him the LB in nickel situations until he proves he can’t do it anymore. I’ve said before that I think Goldson can definitely push Lewis as a SS in the base packages, though.
S Dashon Goldson (Should be extended soon, solid)
I disagree.
He hasn’t shown anything that would warrant an extension.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
I just have a feeling
that if he cleans up some fundamental things and get’s some good coaching this year, moves to SS to take over for Roman and eventually Lewis (when he leaves…probably this off-season)…that he’ll be a great player.
He has heart and plays with a motor. If he can be coached, he’ll get it.
He's been here for a while
What has he been doing in practice?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
He's been in the league for 3 years now
He shouldn’t be taking such bad angles at the ball and shouldn’t be giving up so many pass plays.
Heck even Babineux outplayed him….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
You keep Dashon Goldson
Even if you don’t like him as a starter. Mark Roman is the safety that comes in on nickle situations. I’d rather have Goldson on the field than Roman. Even if the team can land Eric Berry as the replacement, Goldson would still see a ton of snaps on defense because the defense uses the 3rd safety as a LB in nickle and dime packages.
He said that Goldson should be extended
That’s where I disagree.
I’d like for him to start playing smart football before he’s given an extension.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
He's still got...
… two years on his original deal, no? I’d let him play it out before even thinking about extending.
TE Delanie Walker (Many may not like him, but I say keep him for now, plus no one else at TE)
what? what? what?
Walker is a great TE, he can line up in any slot and play that role as well as TE. He is a great compliment to VD and our receiving core.
Delanie Walker
has been playing well. The two tight end offense is going to be in the playbook for a while.
Also, regarding Chilo Rachal: i don’t think they are going to give up on him so soon. Sure he has been struggling, but i think he will be is an off-season project; i think the coaches want to turn him into a player…
Chilo
he had to leave college a year early because he needed money for his mom (medical reasons) so he is still developing as a player. Definitely should not give up on yet
Go 49ers
DW should be locked for sure
he’s a little raw still but imagine if VD were to leave or be traded…DW is still a great, fast receiving TE who causes matchup problems. This offense is targeting the TE a lot. We need athletic TE’s and he fits the bill.
I remember on Sunday when Walker had to leave for a while
I thought to myself:
“Oh [site decorum]! now they can’t run plays from the 2TE set because there’s no other TEs available”
We REALLY need Delanie Walker.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
BRITT MILLER IS OUR FUTURE
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
At FB
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
We REALLY need Delanie Walker.
While I definitely agree that Walker has added something to the offense in recent weeks, I’d like to believe that an offseason with a (semi-)set starting QB and no Isaac Bruce will allow guys like Jason Hill and Brandon Jones step up and at least compete in providing a solid third WR. If they can do that, then Walker isn’t AS necessary as he is right now.
he kinda still is though
because he’s a matchup problem. He’s too fast for a LB and too big for a DB. No receiver poses that problem.
I do agree that we probably under utilize our 3rd WR. I mean, we have 3 guys on the bench who play a combined what…6 snaps a game?
Yeah.
My comment was more of a Utopian hope more than anything. The offense should always strive for a better balance and having a 3rd WR that allows the 49ers to maybe spread the defense even more or have Davis/Walker play out of the backfield would pose even more matchup problems (because people can’t chip them as easily).
block as well as Norris?
my thinking is that if Walker goes in motion he could stop in the backfield and be a lead blocker for Gore (or pass block), and that he would be
just as good as Norris in that role (or better).
I am dreaming?
Brit Miller will take over for Norris eventually
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
I don't think...
… Walker is better than Norris. According to beat writers, Walker’s blocking is pretty weak. Norris seems to be on the decline, but I doubt he’s fallen below Delanie Walker.
If the 49ers run with Davis and Walker on the field, those two would be best served sealing the edges for Gore, rather than leading for him.
McDonald
has been playing well as part of the pass defense. He plays a lot, and has been creating pressure from inside left, i think. I would guess he’ll be back. He is 25 and still improving.
Snyder should be on the list
He’s clearly not a starter at tackle, but he might be our LG of the future. More to the point, though, is that he’s incredibly versatile. Since he can play 4 positions on the offensive line, he’s a very valuable game-day backup. Normally teams only have two active backups for the o-line on game day (one guard/center, one tackle) and Snyder’s flexibility is a great solution to that problem … even if nobody wants him to be our starting RT next season.
good point
I am also curious what people think about Rachal’s potential, or, more generally, who is most likely to be part of the oline in addition to Staley.
the team likes Rachal
so I bet he stays. Snyder stays as a backup G, Simms stays as backup T. Wallace is backup C. Wragge probably goes…should have mentioned that in my post…
who goes
a short list (hate all you want!)
Roman, Bly, Lewis (maybe), Norris, Ziegler, Hudson, Battle.
Reasons:
Roman sucks. If you need more explanation than that…watch a game…any game.
Bly was supposed to bring some veteran leadership and instead he showboated prematurely, was stripped of the ball, and coined the anti-Singletarian phrase “Dre gon be Dre”. We need veteran DB support from guys who can both play, and are smart.
Lewis is getting older and I fear for his head (literally). He is still a guy with heart who does well in run support but I really am holding out hope that Goldson can take over. He’s more of a hitter and not great in coverage anyways so SS would be his Swan Song on the team.
Moran Norris (see Mark Roman)
Ziegler…I have nothing against the guy but weekly inactives may as well be on the PS. If you can’t even make it on the field for Special Teams…something’s wrong.
Hudson I kinda threw in there to make more room for a veteran DB and/or one from the draft. I know he plays special teams but do we want to extend a guy who only plays ST’s? You tell me.
Battle. He’s not the answer on punt returns and that’s all he does, well I guess he plays some special teams coverage too…again…you tell me if it’s worth keeping him.
Other potential departures include Baas, Snyder, and Pashos depending on what we do in FA/draft
might be nice to keep Pashos as back-up if we can afford him and it doesn’t effect anything else. Did he play okay before he was hurt? How lod is he?
he's 29
not old by any means…and looking at the stats, he’s started nearly 5 full seasons consecutively before this one. So maybe he stays. We aren’t gonna have much room on this roster after we get some real talent at OL in FA or draft though…going to be interesting.
29 isn't at all old for a lineman
if he was 33 or 34 then I’d worry about resigning him. 29 still gives us 4 or 5 good years.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Ziegler
He’s on the practice squad.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Was just thinking
do you guys think it’s possible that the team tries to parlay the recent O-Line improvement in play into an excuse to not acquire any/many guys in the off-season and instead try to “improve upon what we’ve got”?
we’ve seen it happen once, this last off-season. I wouldn’t be totally shocked (though I’d be pissed) to see them only acquire one or two guys, probably one later in the draft, and mainly stay with what we have.
Or is McCloughan wiser this time ’round?
We really don't need that many new players though
One or two guys is all we need on the line to make it a solid unit. Pick up a guard and a tackle either through FA or the draft and we’ve got it set.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
but will McC do it?
Or will they go cheap and say, hey, Pashos is back, Staley is back, Sims played good, Rachal and Snyder got better, Wallace is coming along…we got Patrick in the wings…
That’s the question. It was blatantly obvious last year and they did nothing…
i think they will draft oline
with one of their top 3 picks. (1a, 1b or 2)
I think the only way an oline pick drops below the first round is if something special is available in another area (say like Haden and Berry).
i think they will draft oline
with one of their top 3 picks. (1a, 1b or 2)
This. I don’t think the 49ers are under any delusional belief that the offensive line is solid. I think they will definitely take an offensive lineman with one of their first three picks. If they can land an offensive lineman and one of either a DB or a pass rusher, I think they will also try to deal away that second rounder.
if I turned the clock back to this time last year
we’d be expecting them to do the same…but they didn’t.
I mean I would sure hope they get it now…but…
I don't really...
… have any problems with their first round pick last year. Sure, they needed a RT, but those can be plugged in immediately. If you have a shot at a #1 WR, you take him and give him time to develop. Basically, if the 49ers take a tackle this year, he can be plugged in and they suddenly have a fairly complete offensive unit. If they had taken OT last year and hoped for Hill/Jones to take over as #2 (pushing Morgan to #1), the offense, IMO, is a lot weaker.
it was an inspired pick.
Crabtree dropped from maybe 3 to 10, maybe because other teams were thinking about need. ( i haven’t analysed it, but that’s a guess.)
I don’t doubt that in a year Crabtree will be considered one of the two or 3 best PLAYERS in that draft and we will not be able to imagine living without him.
Right now he has trouble cracking the Top 3 rookies on a given week. Although Crabtree has been good, there are a handful of other guys who have been better.
I think if Crabs had been around all year
he would be right up there in consideration with those other guys.
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
Percy Harvin
But I think Crabtree, with a full camp and knowledge of the offense would be ahead of all of them. Especially with the offense being opened up now.
different style player
as a receiver only, I think crabtree will finish the season strong and I agree…with a full camp next year…watch out.
My thoughts
RB Glen Coffee (Atleast for now, lets see if he can improve)
FB Brit Miller (Nice young player, hoping he develops)
Love Miller, Coffee not so much. Coffee has the same running style as Gore, which isn’t really fitting this offense. I think we need to bring in a Darren Sproles type back as the #2 guy.
WR Brandon Jones (Keep for now, lets see and give him chances, he hasnt played at WR, and he isnt suited at PR)
Not sold on Jones. He had a couple good plays at WR against Seattle but has been mostly non-existent
TE Delanie Walker (Many may not like him, but I say keep him for now, plus no one else at TE)
Up to a couple of weeks ago I was one of his detractors, but I’m a believer now. He was out most of the 4th quarter on Sunday and I think that really hurt our offense.
ILB Matt Wilhelm (Give him another yr, plus a fav of Manusky)
He was a really good pickup for us as a backup. Plus we’re paying him peanuts so yeah sign him for another year or two.
S Dashon Goldson (Should be extended soon, solid)
I’d like to see what an offseason of tackling drills will do for him before we start thinking about an extension. There’s lots to like about him, but he needs refinement.
LS Brian Jennings (Love him, creepy looking, but solid
Didn’t we extend him for another 5 years? Plus he’s played his entire career with us. What’s not to love?
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Not sold on Jones. He had a couple good plays at WR against Seattle but has been mostly non-existent
That’s because he hasn’t got any playing time. He was good at Tennessee and he can be goos here if he gets the chances. Sam with Jason Hill…they aren’t getting enough chance to prove themselves. What Jones did against Seattle is what he is capable of all the time. He made some fantastic catches in College and some for Tennessee also.
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
Think about it this way:
The 49ers will ALWAYS have a RB in the game, they will always have VD in the game, Crabtree will always be in, so will Josh Morgan.
That leaves room for only one other player.
Usually that’s Delanie Walker, Jason hill, Moran Norris, or (recently) Brandon Jones.
I don’t know about you but I would much rather see Delanie Walker on the field because he presents more match-up problems.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Josh Morgan has emerged as the clear #2 guy
Walker isn’t always in but he plays probably 90% of the snaps. Once in awhile Jones or Hill will get switched out for Morgan, but not often.
I love the mismatch that’s created with Walker and Davis in there. LBs don’t have the speed to cover them, and DBs have the speed but not the size.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Josh Morgan
They love those 2 tight-end sets (and with good reason) so it is hard for the #3 receiver to get much time. I like Morgan, but I don’t think Morgan is a “lock” as #2.
Morgan’s strengths: good blocker, good hustle (recovered Gore’s fumble a few weeks back —a game changing play), tough…
Morgan’s weaknesses: no blazing speed, lack of physical presence when catching a pass (that is, he lets defenders “run through” him, doesn’t move to the ball aggressively).
He’s earned the right to be #2 now, but i think he will have to continue to fight for that.
Crabtree doesn't have blazing speed either.
I do agree that he needs to be more aggressive when catching though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Dec 8, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well, yes,
they are probably about the same speed.
But that is not the point.
Crabtree has other attributes that make him project as a great receiver.
i am not down on Morgan
not at all. He plays his heart out.
I just don’t think he is a lock at #2, but with Crabtree, Vernon Davis (and Gore and D. Walker) around I think he is good enough that the 49ers will not actively look for a replacement in the draft or through FA.
he needs to be pushed
I don’t like that he’s locked that job up. I hope there is more competition in camp next year. He needs to be pushed.
or is it that the guys below him on the chart just aren’t that close to him?
With a guy..
… making millions behind him, I doubt he doesn’t get pushed and challenged. The 49ers NEED to find out what they have in Jones next season, and the only way he does that is to take some passes from the other WRs, Morgan included.
is he that bad?
that he has NO chance of supplanting Morgan as #2?!? This team sometimes seems like it decides who’s gonna be in there and just “that’s that”. I know they’ve made a few changes…I guess it’s this #2 WR Spot that’s got me going. Remember when we had 7 active WR’s and mainly were running pro-set plays??
I'm not sure what...
… your subject line was asking exactly? I didn’t say either Morgan or Jones were bad. I was just disagreeing with your statement that he’s got the job locked up. Basically, I think Jones will push Morgan for the next year, at least.
Morgan's aggressiveness
I think he is pretty aggressive at getting to the ball. He’s just not ALWAYS like that, and maybe that just plays to his overall mental consistency. Maybe his head just gets out of the game a little too often.
It is Morgan who made Hill look good at the end of last season and at some spots earlier this season (he caught two of the dying-duck passes Hill threw that people used to point to as why Hill was good).
this
do you really keep like 3 extra WR’s that rarely see snaps in the game??? I mean, do you pay these guys to sit?
I like your list
I’d also like to add Isaac Sopoaga. He is strong and is good in run stopping and I always see him hustling to the ball. Also Diyral Briggs. Young guy who was able to make the team and I think showed some potential in the preseason.
Go 49ers
M-Rob should be on this list
He’s a BEAST on special teams blocking and is great at tackling. I love the guy’s commitment, he is just like a Singletary-type player. He never gives up on a play. If you don’t believe me watch this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcCyY6tub1Y
Robinson
He doesn’t get enough credit as a special teams player. I think people tend to write him off or vote him out because he plays a “premium” playmaking position in RB. People want someone who can actually run as a RB if they’re listed as a RB. If Robinson were a backup LB or something he may be mentioned a bit more as someone to keep around. Just my thoughts on the matter, though.
He’s definitely not a good runner, and he isn’t a good lead blocker on offense. He is a very good special teams blocker and overall special teams player, though.
he's an adequate blocker in blitz pickups
just not a lead blocker (FB) like they tried to pass him off as at times last year.
He’s one of the best ST players we have and he’s “good” at just about everything he does…not great, but multi-faceted for sure. I think he and Hudson are the ST guys who dont contribute much elsewhere.
Hudson
Hudson is one person I think that could be replaceable. You can only have so many special teams-only players. Hopefully Curtis Taylor develops into a suitable ST player as well as a suitable DB, making Hudson expendable at final cuts next offseason.
good points
I have been sitting here saying I wish we had veteran leadership in the secondary (no, I don’t count Bly)…I hope Harris does come back and win a spot next year. If he can play, I’d love to have his craftiness out there.
Harris
He’s a pretty cerebral CB (he’s never really had elite physical tools). I wonder if he would be open to playing FS? I doubt the 49ers would suggest it, and I doubt he’ll be open to it (because he can just sign somewhere else that’ll play him at CB).
smarts trumps talent
at times. knowing the tricks to help you beat your man (or not get beat in this case).
A good mentor to the guys. Is he around nowadays, like at practice and stuff or no?
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