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49ers Team Needs and Wants: Draft vs F.A.

I should take some time to introduce myself first. My name is Brian and I'll be doing weekly draft related articles here at Niners Nation, focusing mostly on how things look from a 49ers perspective. I currently work in sports radio. Hopefully I can use those connections to get some interviews or Q and A's with people a lot smarter than me. In addition to blogging about the 49ers and the draft, I have worked as a freelance writer for KFFL.com,  who you know for their "hotwire" content if you play Yahoo! fantasy sports. Enough about me, lets get to the nitty gritty.

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The draft board is shaping up in favor of the 49ers in 2009. The draft may not be top heavy with elite big-name players to excite the casual fan. However, there is a very good group of about a dozen or so prospects that  will be valuable and at least one or two of these guys will be available when the 49ers are on the clock at #10. Let's take a look at the 49ers team needs, how they stack up against the draft board or if that position should instead be addressed via free agency.

OLB- One word...Passrush! Lawson is fine on the strong side, but he's not an elite rusher. Haralson is a solid rotational guy, but he doesn't have the ability to take over a game. The lack of passrush is really the only thing holding this 49ers defense back from being one of the better units in the league. Look, I don't even care if the 49ers run ten players out there on 1st and 2nd downs. The run defense has been strong, but the defense must get off the field after 3rd downs. What bothers me is not only have opposing QB's had all day to throw, but McCloughan and Co. haven't identified this need as a priority in the past and added talent accordingly. That has to end now. Another roster spot is now open with the release of Tully Banta-Cain.

Luckily there are some pretty good options in 2009. I love that Singletary has stated the 49ers will be running a true 3-4 defense and not this wishy-washy, back and forth, 3-4/4-3 BS. Now they can focus on the 3-4, get the best personnel and run the best scheme with those players who fit. Everyone knows the primetime free agents like Suggs and Peppers, who are about to make serious coin. The draft is stocked with 3-4 OLB's as well. Fooch wrote a great scouting report on my favorite prospect Everette Brown. And if Brown is this year's DeMarcus Ware, then Brian Orapko is the Shawne Merriman. Both would be fine choices in the first round, but there is depth at the position too. Aaron Maybin, Larry English and Clint Sintim could all be factors from the middle of the 1st to mid 2nd rounds.

Verdict: 1st round. If the 49ers don't add one of the names above, the offseason will have been a failure. I have my doubts whether McCloughan wants to add a third premier contract on that side of the ball, so this looks like a need that will be addressed on draft day. It might not be worth the gamble to hope the right guy falls to round two.

Star-divide

OT- The need to add an offensive tackle might be a little overrated. You can't discount the 49ers league leading 55 sacks allowed, but you do have to weigh the Martz factor. His offenses have been among the worst in sacks allowed for years, so how much of that was personnel and how much was scheme?    The thing that bothers me is there have been a great amount of recources put towards building both O and D lines. Yet we still need to spend a top ten pick? I do believe there should be some competition for Snyder at RT. On the other hand, if Snyder is the starter to begin the season in '09, I won't be dissapointed. Don't forget, in the scouting world, the term right-tackle is a dirty word. It means you can't stack up athletically with NFL rushers. So, when you read scouting reports this spring about a guy who might not be able to handle LT...be wary. And the leftovers at OT over the years is a who's-who of draft busts. Beware of the big men up front. Often times it's a position of smarts, toughness and technique moreso than pure athletic ability. Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith, Andre Smith and Michael Oher are good prospects and I wouldn't be dissapointed to have any them on my squad. I'm just not sold on the cost.

Verdict: Free Agency. There are a couple guys who could come in and upgrade at RT right away in Jordan Gross (CAR) and Ray Willis (SEA), although Vernon Carey isn't going anywhere. If you were wondering, Carey is a Miami native who attended High School, College and now plays pro ball there. The O-line is a position that needs development, so anybody drafted would need a season to acclimate and then you still don't know what you have in a lot of cases. I worry that if a 1st rounder (Staley), two 2nd rounders (Rachal, Baas) and a third round draft pick (Snyder) are not good enough to form a  rock solid line, then maybe the talent evaluators are the problem...lets snatch up a guy who is money in the bank.

WR-  A True #1. As 49ers fans we were so spoiled for so long with the likes of Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Terrell Owens. Ah, the glory days. If you ask Mike Singletary, this would probably go in the "wants" category rather than the "needs". If not a true #1, then at least a dynamic playmaker is needed. As witnessed by the fact that DeSean Jackson wasn't even on the team's radar in '08, it's clear this regime doesn't covet a little quick guy. The 49ers war room was talking about drafting a WR in the 2nd round last year, but it was the 6'4" Limas Sweed from Texas.The 49ers are all about "football players". Big strong, physical and most of all tough. Scot McCloughan put best himself, "It's a big man's game."

Verdict: Draft, rounds 2-4. I could really see a guy like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt in the 2nd round if they are available. Maybe Ramses Barden or Pat White in the 3rd-4th range. These are all tough guys. If either Bryant Johnson or Isaac Bruce are not retained, a free agent addition becomes more likely.

DB- The 49ers have a very good defensive backfield. With the hard nosed brand of football we are seeing these days, it's hard to say Mark Roman hasn't been a good fit. At the same time, there's nothing wrong with wanting more..and I know we all do. If one of the current CB's gets the job, then CB jumps way up on the list of needs.

Verdict: In-house. There's probably a sign up in Santa Clara somewhere that reads; "Open Tryouts...free safety wanted who can stuff the run AND  not get beat deep...and it wouldn't hurt if you could pick a ball off every now and again". I think there are a couple guys already on the roster who can fill this role. Dashon Goldson is first in line, but I think Reggie Smith the the true heir. Don't forget, having range isn't enough. If you're not a tough guy, you need not apply. So that one little guy from Upper Eastern State University who runs a 4.3 40 and returns kicks and sometimes plays QB...yeah, you can cross him off the list.

RB- This has been a problem for a little while.  Foster did a good job backing up Gore in '08, but he can be improved upon and also doesn't have a lot left in the tank. Robinson is not instictive at all as a runner (I still wish they would have tried him at safety instead of running back out of college). Short yardage is one aspect, but this player needs to be able to spell Gore in all situations.

Verdict: Draft. This answer is always draft. The shelf life for NFL running backs is so short, I can't believe anyone ever spends money on a free agent. There are always a number of guys who can carry the rock. Remember when your teacher would give you a test but give one of the answers at the beginning? Well, in 2009 the answer at RB is Tyrell Sutton. He's my guy and a perfect fit as #2 to Frank-enstein. But I'd be surprised if the 49ers draft a guy who weighs less than 220 lbs.

FB- The draft is pretty weak at fullback. The 5th or 6th round is probably the earliest one could be selected. Maybe McCloughan loves one of the college guys, but to me it looks like there are enough proven options in free agency with guys like Tony Richardson and Leonard Weaver. Nothing against Zach Keasey, but you can bet a smashmouth fullback is added in the offseason.

Verdict: Free Agent. My money is on Richardson who has played on two different teams for Jimmy Raye and worry about 2010 in 2010.

NT- Florida Danny is in the process of writing some great articles using sabermetric style football statistics. I'm glad these are making their way into the football conversation. I'd like to use another stat that hardcore baseball fans are probably familiar with...VORP. VORP stands for Value Over Replacement Player. It basically says how valuable a guy is versus a "free" player who could be called up from AAA at his position. This is how I think about our defensive line. It's similar to my thoughts on the O-line. But instead of comparing with AAA players, Its guys already on our roster. How many resources do we have to put towards this position to get the performance that is neccesary? Raji, is a great prospect, but his VORP isn't high enough to warrant a top 10 pick.  Maybe his teammate Ron Brace would be a nice long term prospect at NT in the 3rd round.

Verdict: Draft, mid rounds. Look, Not even the best nose tackles were drafted top 10. Not Casey Hampton, not Vince Wilfork. Repeat after me...wait on big fatty...wait on big fatty.

QB- You'd be crazy not to be angst ridden over who could be the longterm starter at quarterback. I'm pretty sure The Cure even wrote a song about it. Just like teenagers in love, there's no reason to rush into marriage. And that's what you do with a 1st round draft pick at QB. McCloughan has this to say on the issue:

Every year we’re trying to improve the quarterback position as we do with every position. You always want to have some youth in place, knowing that they might not be the starter that year, but in the future they have upside and they can possibly be a starting quarterback in the NFL. It’s also very important nowadays to have two quarterbacks who have some experience, because you’re going to need a second quarterback in a 16-game season. It’s definitely a priority, not just this year, but in every year.

It just so happens that I have a degree in GM-Speak. Let me translate that paragraph for you; "We are NOT drafting Mark Sanchez with the #10 pick, but I don't mind if you keep putting him there in your stupid little mock drafts. Thanks for the smokescreen, bitches! I wonder if Bruce Gradkowski will be available..."

Verdict: Who the hell knows. A lot can change...Aaron Rodgers and Brady Quinn were top 5 locks at this point in their respective draft years. QB is the toughest position to scout, so you  have to be careful. They take time to develop. A lot depends on the talent around them. Looking back, mistakes are always made based on tangible ability, arm strength running speed etc. Personally I'd never, ever take a QB in the first round. It's time to see what Hill can do with his first full offseason of starters reps. Oh, and Matt Cassel is the next Elvis Grbac.

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Maybin, Orakpo, Brown

Question 1: What are you going on with the comparison of Orakpo to Merriman and Brown to Ware?
Question 2: Why do you rank Maybin on a lower level than the other two? The scouting reports I’ve read put Maybin at least on the level with the other two talent-wise—though as more of a risk due to the one-year-wonder factor.
This looks like quite a good year for Rush OLB/DE types, so I’m with you on your assessment; we should look to the draft for a pass-rusher.

Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!

by grantmp on Feb 11, 2009 8:30 AM PST reply actions  

Orakpo, Brown

Fooch explains the similarities between Brown and Ware quite well in his scouting report a few days back.

Orakpo, like Merriman put on a ton of muscle abnormally fast. He’s quite possibly artifically enhanced and one of those guys that will be dealing with lingering tendon, ligament, and joint problems.

very good analysis and break down briandean!!

by 49er4life on Feb 11, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

You nailed it by mentioning the one-year-wonder risk. He was also a hand-on-the-ground DE who played at 235, which is 20 pounds too light for OLB. He is a great athlete, but how will that be affected by the 20-25 pounds he says he will gain by training camp? How will he deal with the position change? Also, Penn State’s scheme allows the ends to release upfield as the LBs contain the outside run. How will he deal with having to stay at home against the run? Or coverage? There are a ton of questions to be answered about a guy who only has one year of tape to be looked at.

by cornball on Feb 11, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Orakpo is like Merriman in that he’s athletic, but his calling card is strength. He’s more physical and lock on a guy with his hands and move him. Plus his draft stock is in a similar place. Both Orakpo and Brown should put in bigtime combine performances. Orakpo in the weight room and Brown on the track. So, its all about what you prefer in your OLB. Cornball is right on. Just not enough to go on with Maybin. The combine will be really important for a guy like him, especially the interview portion. He’ll get pounded on why he came out so early. Plus he’s gotta show up big and run well. A lotta ifs.

by briandean on Feb 11, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

NT

Interesting how you say that the 49ers should wait until the middle rounds to take a NT because “Not even the best nose tackles were drafted top 10,” but then you go ahead and point out two first rounders (albeit not top 10).

by sfgfan on Feb 11, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

Basically all I’m saying is he’d be the highest NT ever drafted. I mean, I like Raji quite a bit, but is he the best NT prospect ever? The thing is he probably holds more value to 4-3 teams because he’d see less blocker and be able to make more plays.

by briandean on Feb 11, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the break down...

I agree with all the needs mentioned especially the QB thoughts… and as sfgfan regarding NT there is much value for these prospects in later rounds. I see a possible beast in Roy Miller from Texas. I saw him play against Ohio State and thought he did a helluva job inside. Any thoughts? Does he have a chance to drop to the third round possible 4th?

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Feb 11, 2009 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

You’re right, Roy Miller always shows up when watching Texas games. I think he’ll be there in the 4th. Not sure he fits our scheme, though. A little small..more like a 4-3 guy ala former 49er Anthony Adams.

by briandean on Feb 11, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

with the chances of landing Haynesworth looking slimmer and slimmer I gotta go with Raji. NT is arguably the most important part of a 3-4 D and we are currently trying to fill that spot with guys who are journeymen at best. But I dont really know anything about any of the potential NT’s in the draft other than Raji, except that most scouts seem to say there is a significant dropoff after him.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 11, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

Brace is more of a true NT, and he is quite good in that role. He’s lost close to forty pounds the past few years and is still at 330. The man is huge (and a nice guy, I went to BC). Him staying home was what allowed Raji to make all those upfield plays last year. Also, the year before Brace was very good even without Raji in the line-up.

by cornball on Feb 11, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

hmm..

interesting, I’ll have to keep an eye and ear open for Brace….he sounds Gilbert Brown-ish.

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 11, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I do think Raji should be in the discussion, and I wouldn’t be too disappointed with the selection. Franklin really excelled when Singletary took over and wstayed with the 3-4. Which reminds me, why isn’t Spopaga a better NT? He’s darn near perfect in what you look for, yet the coaching staff likes him better at end.

by briandean on Feb 11, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Sopoaga

From what I understand, he’s still raw (if that’s possible this many years into your career) and works better when he has a little more space to work with. I don’t remember where I read that, but I’m pretty sure it came from McCloughan himself. While I agree Sopoaga has the size and strength to play inside, he does appear to be more of a penetrating lineman that would fit as a 4-3 DT but not quite as a 3-4 NT.

Those are just what I recall reading. I could be completely off.

by sfgfan on Feb 11, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He is right. A majority of great 3-4 defenses have a monster anchoring the NT. If he can occupy 2 sometimes 3 blockers on a run play than your LB’s run crazy all over the field overwhelming the offense.

by bignerd on Feb 11, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

ha

nice name!

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Feb 11, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

As much as Alex Smith put the fear of gawd into all of us, I thought they made a mistake picking him over Rodgers anyways. Still, while I understand the hesitation in picking a high QB, there are absolutely NO FAs who will be worth breaking the bank for (I’m not high on Cassel either) and the history of picking lower-round QBs is actually worse than than first-rounders. The only reason it doesn’t seem as bad is because we don’t expect them to succeed anyways. Kind of like in poker how you don’t mind throwing away $10 on five straight blinds but you’d be wary of putting down $50 on a semi-decent hand.

I just don’t think there are any decent options for QB in FA or later in the draft, unlike LB/DL. Either we go with Shaun Hill (a poor man’s Cassel) and draft a mediocre QB prospect in later rounds, or we go in to next season hoping to suck that way we get a shot a Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford, who will both go higher than #10 and I don’t believe are any better than Sanchez. Doing the latter would be pointless on a lot of levels, and the former hasn’t worked out for the WR situation for past four years, so why would it work at QB?

I just think you’ve got to forget about past busts sometimes. Cincy took a chance on Palmer after Akili Smith, Baltimore took Flacco after the McNair and Boller experiments, and Atlanta did the same with Ryan when Vick killed them. Taking Sanchez at #10 is less of a gamble, from a financial standpoint and a talent point, than picking up a LB/DL prospect when we can go out and get a proven player at the positions. As far and putting another big contract on that side of the ball, does it really matter when you need bit-time talent on both sides anyways? Ask Baltimore, Tennessee and Pittsburgh how spending on D has worked out for them.

by sBruce24 on Feb 11, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think...

… the 49ers won’t draft a QB in the first round because they fear the burn. I think the reason they’re not going to take a QB is that the only one that will probably be available would be picked purely on projected talent, which isn’t necessarily the best way to use your draft pick when you have SO MANY other holes to fill on your roster.

by sfgfan on Feb 11, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

They also aren’t in need of a gun-slinger at QB. Guys like Hill, Kerry Collins are Gus Frerotte are the people to run Singletary’s football team. A scary pass rusher or big offensive lineman would be put to better use.

by bignerd on Feb 11, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

But Collins got killed in the playoffs, partially because Baltimore made him win the game when they stopped the run. Same with Minny and the Ferotte/Jackson combo. I know Baltimore and Tampa won SBs with Dilfer and Brad Johnson, respectively, but they had historically good defenses, and I don’t think you can just plan to build defenses as good as those.

I agree with you on the more pressing needs being a pass rusher and a monster OL, but part of my point was that there are proven, big-time pass rushers in FA. If we don’t get one there, that obviously changes things, but the Niners would be crazy to not go after someone in FA.

As for OL, the best will be gone by #10 – Monroe and Jason Smith. Andre Smith is uber-talented, but he’ll likely be gone and has a ton of red flags. Michael Oher is physically gifted but has questions about his motor – reminds me too much of Kwame Harris. If they could somehow get Monroe or J. Smith, go for it. I just think Sanchez is almost a safer pick than A. Smith or Oher.

by sBruce24 on Feb 11, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

OL

While it does certainly seem possible, the only way all the good tackles are gone by #10 is if at least three go.

by sfgfan on Feb 11, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know if I’d say Sanchez is purely projected talent, because I don’t think he’d have to change a lot of things at the pro level as far as mechanics and habits. I agree more experience is always preferable, but sometimes less experience at a particular top-flight program is worth as much or more than four years at so-so programs. Guys like Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Alex Smith were four-year starters at programs not known for having a lot of pro-level talent at the time they were drafted. And dudes like Carr, Vince Young, Kyle Boller, and JaMarcus Russell had certain intangibles like arm strength, but their mechanics were off, and Carr and Boller never delivered. Jury is still out on Young for a lot of reasons, and Russell seemed to come around at the end of last season. If there is any program that prepares guys for the pro level, its USC. Sanchez plays against a better Ds in practice than most other guys do in an entire schedule.

by sBruce24 on Feb 11, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Alex Smith were four-year starters at programs not known for having a lot of pro-level talent

Only Harrington was a 3 year starter. Everyone else was a 2 – 2 1/2 year starters.

I agree more experience is always preferable, but sometimes less experience at a particular top-flight program is worth as much or more than four years at so-so programs.
If there is any program that prepares guys for the pro level, its USC.

Yea… like this one recent USC grad that is rocking the world… I believe his team just went to the Super Bowl or something like that… but oh wait… he’s been riding the pine all season. Besides Carson Palmer, who else have they produced recently… and the other one-year wonder, Cassell, doesn’t count.

by Sebaz49 on Feb 11, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, meant that they were seniors when they came out, or at least their eligibility had expired. And even then, I was wrong about Couch and Leaf, they came out as juniors, so so much for that. As far as Leinart, I’m curious to see how he does under Whisenhunt, once Warner is gone. Even Palmer sat behind Kitna, and Arizona seems to be a more stable team now.

Also, I was considering a lot of the defensive guys that have come/will come out of USC recently. I would think playing against that caliber of athlete on the defensive side, it has to help the QBs adjust to pro-level athletes better than any other program on a daily basis.

by sBruce24 on Feb 11, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Leinart

I don’t think the problem with Leinart solely rests on the fact that Warner is there. I think Leinart has failed to win over the current coaching staff in Arizona, Whisenhunt included.

by sfgfan on Feb 11, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh, stupid words. Meant that they had certain things you just can’t teach, but had trouble learning to adjust or change for the pro level.

by sBruce24 on Feb 11, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Projected talent

Right now, considering the lack of film covering the guy, I think saying he’s worth a top 10 pick is indeed, “projected talent.” No one has any idea what this guy actually is, it’s just a bunch of projections.

Yes, you can definitely find a great player that lacks experience, but you DON’T use a top 10 pick on players like that. Your top 10 pick should be as close to “can’t miss” as you can possibly get. Sanchez falls WAYYYYY short of being even “close.”

by sfgfan on Feb 11, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Sanchez is considered the top QB prospect in this years class

Stafford might be more NFL ready but some consider him the 3rd best prospect behind Sanchez and Freeeman (who are both projects). Whether a QB “prospect” is worth a top 10 pick is hard to say and nobody will know if Sanchez is going to be better than Stafford for a couple of years.

by methodrampage on Feb 12, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions  

oh dear god

draft Hakeem Nicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by foosball4949 on Feb 11, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions  

"One word...Passrush"

Let’s try not to make up words, shall we?

by methodrampage on Feb 11, 2009 2:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Just wait til you see what I can do with three words…

by briandean on Feb 11, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

One word...

justbustingballs

I’m glad to see that briandean rolled with the punches on that one.

by methodrampage on Feb 12, 2009 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

i know

he comes from a D3 school but with a late pick hed be a good redzone target cuz of his size

by gbears16 on Feb 11, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

"I know this guy isn't very good at football...

but he’s big, so he’s clearly fit to play in the NFL."

by shlecko on Feb 11, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

he showed he can compete at the senior bowl and dominated in D3

by gbears16 on Feb 12, 2009 6:06 AM PST up reply actions  

error

i dont know why i thought cal poly was a D3 school but they play in the FCS

by gbears16 on Feb 12, 2009 6:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I graduated from Cal Poly and I’ve seen enough Cal Poly football to know that I’m not impressed. I’ve watched Jordan Beck dominate the scene and then get drafted by the Falcons in the third round of the ‘05 draft (he’s now out of football). I’ve also seen the early years of Ramses and the guy was playing against a bunch of 5’8" 160lbs DBs. Sure he’s big but he’s pretty slow and I doubt he gets much seperation in the NFL. But for a late pick what do I care?

by methodrampage on Feb 12, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

since he would probly be a 4th round pick its not like were spending a ton of money on him. he be worth a try if britt and nicks are gone by then

by gbears16 on Feb 12, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he's worth a 4th

But I guess it wouldn’t be a travesty if the Niners took him in the 4th.

by methodrampage on Feb 12, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

QB is THIS EASY: BRETT FAVRE

For his last year can finish up a 49er. He’ll bring something to the table that has been missing from the 49ers for over 10 years, LEADERSHIP, And a good ARM. What is the long term answer???? PICK UP FAVRE THIS YEAR, PICK UP TIM TEBOW in the 2nd round next year, and you’ve maintained a level of leadership, arm strength and power. And for those idiots still yapping about Tebow being a FB, Tebow isn’t going to sign with a team that isn’t going to use him as a QB. He has a great arm. And most importantly VISION ON THE FIELD and Leadship. I guarantee t his would at least make our games exciting again with this game plan, instead of the whole, I wonder how our QB is going to blow this game.

by UCLABRU1 on Feb 12, 2009 12:52 AM PST reply actions  

Is there a QB position on special teams?

by bignerd on Feb 12, 2009 2:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Favre?

He was one of the worst QBs in the league. 2007 was an anomaly. His career has been on a downslide since ’05.

by methodrampage on Feb 12, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Favre?

The same Farve that our beloved Niners made look pedestrian when his team was still leading the AFC East and in control of their own playoff destiny? The same Favre that looked old and tired as the season wore on? The one who’s highest QB rating in the last 5 games was 61.4? And couldn’t break a QB rating of 80 in more than half of his games?

No thanks. Stick a fork in him, he’s done.

by Sebaz49 on Feb 12, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't believe...

… the cycle is starting over on this.

by sfgfan on Feb 12, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

He's "retired" again

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Feb 12, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Which was precisely...

… the reason most people around here against signing Favre last season: he offers VERY little stability when stability is the biggest need right now on offense.

by sfgfan on Feb 12, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Favre/Tebow

I think that would be what finally crushes my 49ers spirit. The two QBs I want less than anybody else.

by David Fucillo on Feb 12, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

your right we should stick with the quiet

and incredibly talentless, leaderless,visionless QB’s like Tim Rattay, Alex Smith, Jeff Garcia (At the time). This team needs one player to unify under, and it can’t just be any qb with an arm, it takes spirit, and vision to make that happen. But i’ll stand aside and let everyone hate on tebow, I just have to wait a couple years to say I told you so.

by UCLABRU1 on Feb 12, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think...

… anyone disagrees with the 49ers needing a leader.

Let me ask you this: do you really think a guy who’s playing year-to-year that doesn’t know what he wants is really a leader? Can players really look up to someone who they may feel will leave them at any time? That’s how many people see Favre now, and that’s why many people here don’t want him with the 49ers.

As for Tebow, a lot of people are just flat out unsure what he can bring to a team. Heck, what position is he best suited at?

by sfgfan on Feb 12, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Really now?

Then the 49ers had better get on that!

by sfgfan on Feb 13, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Garcia?

I realize TO was undercutting Garcia, but do you think he lacked leadership? I can see the point on Rattay and Smith, but not sure I’d agree with the Garcia comment.

As for this team, the players do play for Hill. Maybe he doesn’t have a lot of talent, but this team responded to him when he took over. Not saying he’s the long term answer by any stretch.

And thanks to the power of the Internet these comments should be around for the foreseeable future. We’ll see what Tebow’s doing at that point.

by David Fucillo on Feb 12, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Farve is no option. Methodrampage was right about him being down since about ‘05 anyway. We’ll see what Tebow does this year, he made the right decision, but right now he’s no more a QB prospect than Pat White.

Right now I really like Colt McCoy’s prospects, though.

by briandean on Feb 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

QB

I concur about passing on QB in the upper rounds however there are several interesting prospects we might look at in lower rounds -Mike Reilly ,Chase Holbrook,Armanti Edwards and my favorite Greg Micheli from Mount Union any one of these guys has potential to surprise… imo!

by alleyoop on Feb 12, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions  

NT

I have to disagree with the need for a pass rusher to be drafted in the 1st round. first of all the strongest unit on this team is the linebackers. Both Lawson and Haralson are young up and coming players, who are both very good at pass rushing and, stopping the run. Second, since the niners will be running a true 3-4 this year, they will need will need a NT who can stuff the middle consistently. this will allow for a more solid run defense, as well as create breathing room for all 4 of the linebackers to rush the passer. Raji is a solid NT, who will be able to come right into the league, and make an impact. Also, you have to remember who the head coach is of this team, with that said, Mcgloughan could bring in a High School OLB, and the kid would still be a great linebacker. Talent, and physical ability isn’t everything! Coaching, discipline, drive, and technique, are what seperates good players from great players.

by KESF on Feb 14, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

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