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Pitchers and Catchers Report: Football vs. Baseball

For diehard baseball fans out there baseball officially returns each spring with the reporting of pitchers and catchers.  While I'm a huge football fan, baseball was my first passion as a kid.  While it's fun playing a pick-up game of football, playing catch is as American as apple pie.

I bring this up because pitchers and catchers reported yesterday and today for the A's and Giants.  It's not football related, but it got me thinking about the two games.  Football is arguably the more popular sport right now, although that's a bit of a sketchy argument to make.  While it gets better ratings, I'm curious what the ratings would be spread out over a greater volume of games as we see in baseball.  Of course, there is the fact that baseball is the "American past time."  Both sports have woven their way into the American tapestry but most people would agree about the position of baseball as the past time.

I put up a poll that is not the easiest to answer.  When comparing the two sports, it becomes a question of in what context are they being compared.  Are we just talking about the game itself, or are we talking about the NFL versus MLB?  If you go into the context of the leagues I'm probably a bigger fan of the NFL.  In the context of the actual game itself, baseball is my passion.

They're such vastly different games and as even the statistical arguments have borne out here, it's hard to compare in that regard.  Even this post shows my own inability to articulate it.  So feel free to clarify your vote in the comments.  Personally, I've seen myself become more of a football fan over the years (this blog certainly has pushed that lately).  But baseball will always have a special place for me.

Either way, make sure and check out McCovey Chronicles and Athletics Nation for your Bay Area baseball needs.  In the meantime, five or so months until training camp starts!

Poll
In general, what sport do you like more?
Baseball
66 votes
Football
197 votes
Equal
32 votes

295 votes | Poll has closed

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No doubt, for me

I have started to watch some baseball games and, frankly, have been bored before the game is even half way through. It moves at such a slow pace.

So, to me, American Football is miles better. NHL is watchable though, but still is not as good as football.

by Ninerfromacrossthepond on Feb 15, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

Baseball's boring when you don't truly understand it.

I don’t know of anyone who’s new to baseball who doesn’t think it’s boring. Why? Because it’s a game which needs to be understood to be loved. And I don’t just mean the rules — strikes/balls, force plays, etc. — but also the ever-present strategy. What pitch will he throw? Does the hitter have the green light? Should they bunt? Is the pitcher getting tired? These are all key components experienced baseball fans are constantly thinking about during a game, often while there is no “action” on the field. It’s a game of the mind, and if you’re spending the time between each pitch bored because nothing’s happening, then it’s probably because you’re ignoring about all the inherent strategy of the situation. It’s build for thinkers.

Most people love football from the moment they start watching because you don’t need to know anything to enjoy it. You can put a little kid in front of the TV and they’ll immediately take to it, because you don’t even have to know the rules to enjoy the athletic ballet of hitting, throwing, tackling, etc. You can enjoy a game just even if you have no idea what a zone blitz or a pulling guard is. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a lot more a thoughtful, knowledgeable fan can pick up during a game, but it’s built for the masses to enjoy easily.

Think of it like food — every kid loves a McDonald’s hamburger, or mac and cheese, or something easy and simple like that, but it takes a more mature pallet to enjoy the nuance of something like a fine wine, or pate, or something complicated like that. That doesn’t mean those complicated things are for everybody — many adults still prefer burgers and fries to gazpacho and quail, just as many people who know both sports prefer football — but you can’t say for sure until you’re at least able to recognize the many subtleties and nuances of baseball.

For me, it might be too close to call. Football was my first love, and like many, I thought baseball was boring as a kid. But now that I feel I have a good understanding of both sports, I think they’re about equal. Of course, I love them for completely different reasons — baseball for its intricacy (the best idea for a game I know of, and also the most perfect rules (notice how they’ve barely changed in 100 years), its strategy, the razor-thin difference between a hanging slider and an unhittable one, and the fact that each side has a completely equal chance at scoring (no clock or field position to hinder their efforts). I love football for its brutality, acrobatics, and pace, its many moving parts, the race against the clock, the gladiator-like specatcle, its immense preparation necessary to succeed (game-planning, film-watching, scout teams, etc.), and the fact the athletes are so good they literally have to change major rules every year just to keep the game fair.

So that’s my long-winded way of saying: it’s a draw.

Haven't been to The Examined Life? No wonder your life feels so empty.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Feb 15, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+5 tp Josh from Hollywood

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Feb 15, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I never grew up on baseball

and only recently (2-3 years) have I followed more closely. The Giants have always been my team, but it’s just recently that I’ve understood the technicalities.
So football, for me. Especially since I’ve played it organized.

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Feb 15, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

Playing the game

That probably affects some peoples’ view of the two sports. I didn’t have my big growth spurt until my senior year of high school so I was always too small to play football. While I was never great at baseball, the size issue was not as big a deal.

by David Fucillo on Feb 15, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It's strange for me...

because I’ve loved football since I was a kid. One of my earliest memories was whining to my mom, trying to convince her to let me ditch church so I could watch the Niner game with my dad. I’ve played schoolyard football from as early as I can remember – and one of my favorite x-mas gifts when I was little was a nerf football that was shaped like a brain. I threw that thing around until it was worn down to just a squishy core. When I graduated 8th grade, I spent weeks trying to convince my mom to let me go to a high school – different from the one that my friends and my older sister had gone to – specifically because it had a football team, and my parents’ first choice did not. I won the argument and, despite the fact that I was never allowed to play organized football before, managed to become a starter in each of the years I played high school ball.

So obviously, my love for football is deep-rooted. My love for baseball, however…was almost an accident. My freshman year, I broke my collarbone during the football season. My football coach convinced me that it might be a good idea to play another sport in the spring to keep me in shape for the upcoming season. Reluctantly, I chose baseball – a sport I had never before played, and never shown a particular interest in before.

Our school was known for its basketball team…baseball there was basically an afterthought. Thanks to this fact, I made varsity as a raw freshman. I knew little of the game, but I was enough of an athlete, and had a strong enough arm from playing the QB position to earn a spot in the outfield.

Something about the game appealed to me right away. Football, as much as I loved it, was work. Practice was exhausting both mentally and physically. Games were painful. Weight-training and playbook study sucked. But baseball…was practically a vacation. I remember only a week into playing, I already felt completely at home. Practices weren’t nearly as militaristic. We stretched, spat sunflower seeds, took some fielding practice, hung out, took some swings in the batting cage, spat some more seeds and then we were dismissed. The games were low-tension. There weren’t half as many people in the stands, there were no coaches yelling in our faces, and there were no sky-high expectations. Obviously, these were all factors of playing for a school that didn’t much care about baseball, but the end result was something special. I fell in love with baseball, because it was just a game.

Even now, years removed from playing, I take the same approach to the two sports. On the Sundays during football season, I can be a pretty intense guy. I’m in front of my TV, focused on it and nothing else. I watch every play and dissect it. I see the open receivers, I see the missed blocks, I see the perfect throws into tight coverage. When things don’t go the way I’d like…it gets to me. Football is the only sport than can get me pissed off, and the 49ers are a team that reminds me of this on a regular basis.

Watching a baseball game is different. I consider myself a die-hard A’s fan. The year I really found baseball was 2000, and that was a great year to become a follower of the A’s. Since then, I’ve been to no less than 15 games a year, and of the 162 that are played each season, I catch at least 100 of them on TV or radio. Unlike football games, I’m usually distracted. If I’m at the game, I’ll spend 4 innings roaming the Colesium, grabbing some nachos and checking out the merch, only loosely following the game itself. At home, I’ll have the game on the tube while I read or play videogames or something. I’m watching the game, and following every pitch…but it’s not a priority. If Crosby chases a ball at his eyes with the bases loaded, down one run in the 9th…I’ll be disappointed, yeah. But I’m not going to yell at my TV the way I do when Alex Smith throws a ball 3 yards behind an open receiver on 3rd-and-short.

You see, in baseball, there’s always another chance. With a 162 game schedule, you don’t have to win every one. I mean, baseball is a game of failures. If a guy gets one hit every three at bats, then he’s a great hitter. That dude’s failing 66% of the time, but he’s considered one of the best in the league. In a weird sort of way, baseball teaches you to deal with imperfection. You’re not going to make every throw, hit every pitch, get to every fly ball. No matter what. So there’s no reason to sweat over it.

Just take it easy. Spit some seeds, hang out, and enjoy the game.
It’s that sort of mindset that causes my love for the sport of baseball.

I guess with all that being said, I just have to say that I love both sports. It’s a completely different kind of love, though. It’s like that girl you dated back in the day that was great because she was nutty, adventurous and wild. You’ll never get over the chick, but…is that the kind of girl you settle down with? Is that the kind of lady you’d make your wife? Wouldn’t you want someone a little more…down to earth? Relaxed? Easy to live with?

Basically, I’m just really glad the two are during different seasons. Having to choose between the two would be tough, and I’m incredibly thankful that I’ll never have to.

by shlecko on Feb 15, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions  

another of some pretty damn good posts on this thread

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Feb 15, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll say baseball because my A's have generally been a better team than my niners this decade

If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.

by 9Custs on Feb 15, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

baseball

always been a bigger baseball fan, although I love football too. I think what JFH says above is very true, but I also want to make another point -

part of the reason I love baseball is because I played it so much as a kid, and because of that I understand it better and I know more about how to play. Football is so complicated, and there are so many moving parts at the same time that I find it a little harder to really watch and understand. For example, I can watch a baseball game and see exactly what each player did on a given play and whether or not they did it well, such as a defensive play where a guy has to rotate to another base or someone has to hit a cut off man, etc. I can take all that in and analyze it quickly. But in football I can’t just look and see what kind of defense they are running or watch a pulling guard unless it’s in a replay and the announcers are pointing it out. Part of that is not having played organized football, and part is that it’s so damn complicated.

the other reason I think I get more into baseball is because it’s a daily thing. I religiously watch every niners game, but it’s only once a week. Baseball season is so long, and there is a game almost every day, so it impacts my day to day life so much more. so I miss it more when it’s not baseball season.

finally, I’m better able to evaluate talent in baseball, both because it’s easier to single out a player and watch them than it is in football (especially linemen), and because there are so many individual statistics, both traditional and otherwise.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Feb 15, 2009 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

I love the NFL and the MLB because I'm an American male

if you’re a guy, and you’re American, you should love both (with at least a healthy respect for basketball thrown in)

Personally, I can’t say I like one better than the other. They are completely different – for different times of the year, moods, and experiences. I absolutely hate to see the NFL season go (this last Sunday was the worst so far), but then spring training starts again and the Giants put on their uniforms and we suddenly have something to occupy us.

These are also my two favorite sports to play when out in the park with friends – screw that yuppie shit – “frisbee golf” or whatever latest sports fad is coming and going. Throwing a football or going to the baseball diamond will never get old.

All you soccer freaks who keep saying how soccer is going to take over and become the major favorite sport of the next American generation of kids can suck it. I played soccer too when I was a little kid (it was fun), but that doesn’t mean I’m going to like watching it or waste my time rooting for a soccer team on TV. I’ve got better things to watch.

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Feb 15, 2009 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

Watching football vs. baseball

Overall I prefer football over baseball. However, I do prefer attending baseball games in person over attending football games in person while I prefer watching football on TV over watching baseball on TV. Also, I’d watch just about any NFL game on TV but its a rarity when I sit down and watch a baseball game that didn’t feature the A’s (less the playoffs).

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Feb 16, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

I'm pretty much the same.

I think baseball stadiums make enjoying the game in person a lot easier than football stadiums. It’s just all perspective/view of the field and players. A football field is so big that you spend half the time squinting trying to figure out what’s going on.

by sfgfan on Feb 17, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Baseball

Football’s a great game, and I really enjoy it… But baseball. So much so that I created my username after one of my favorite failed Giants prospects, and even worked for years in baseball.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Feb 16, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

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