Sign Jeff Garcia AND Fred Taylor
by cuse7284 on Feb 17, 2009 9:20 AM PST
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PrintI know this might sound a bit crazy and to be fully honest, i'm not 100% certain I want them to do this. BUT what if the Niners signed veteran qb Jeff Garcia and veteran rb Fred Taylor?
Below are my thoughts.
Jeff Garcia- a character guy, who's not flashy and wont get upset if we dont bomb the ball down the field all game long. He's good enough to lead the team and has a history with the franchise. While hes not a LONG TERM SOLUTION, he does fill our immediate need of a qb who could lead us to the playoffs. I would be willing to sign him ONLY if it were a short term deal and not something crazy expensive.
Fred Taylor- there were a few links I saw come through which stated that the niners were looking for a two headed ground attack. With this is mind, I think signing Fred Taylor could be a great move. He's familiar with sharing the touches and ok with a 2 headed running monster, which is what he has done the past however many years in Jax with Maurice Jones Drew. Hes not an ego guy and would be willing to let our boy frank gore take the majority of the work load. On top of it all, he's a veteran and would help contribute to a "pound the run" offense considering the type that coach sing wants. Again I would be willing to sign him ONLY if it were a short term deal.
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I think by adding these two veterans for short term deals, they could help boost the moral in the clubhouse, add veteran experience to a young team and help get the niners back in the mix for the playoffs. Basically get us out of the gutter of the nfl and by the time their contracts expire, we are well on our way....
What do you all think and let me know why you agree or disagree.
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"a character guy, who's not flashy and wont get upset if we dont bomb the ball down the field all game long. He's good enough to lead the team and has a history with the franchise."
While hes not a LONG TERM SOLUTION, he does fill our immediate need of a qb who could lead us to the playoffs.
That sounds remarkably like Shaun Hill.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
but better
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
I agree that Jeff Garcia may be a reach, considering we need a long term solution, and are working with a possible short term (in S. Hill) QB. On the other hand, I would love to have Fred Taylor backing up Gore. It would add to our power running game, and would give us an experienced veteran who could help in those short yardage situations.
To me, sign Taylor, but not Garcia. I wouldn’t mind seeing him on our team again, but I don’t think it’s the time to sign him again.
No to Taylor. He disappointed Jacksonville for a decade.
Garcia maybe, but the 49ers already think they have a player like him in Hill.
Disappointed Jacksonville for a decade?
What are you smoking? Taylor ranks like 16th in all-rushing yards, how can a guy who’s only had 15 players ever rush for more total yards be a disapointment? He’s also rushed for over 1,000 yards a season 7 times. Fred Taylor has basically been the Jacksonville Jaguars for a decade.
With that said I think there will be higher bidders for Taylor than the Niners.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 17, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
What are you smoking? Taylor ranks like 16th in all-rushing yards, how can a guy who’s only had 15 players ever rush for more total yards be a disapointment? He’s also rushed for over 1,000 yards a season 7 times. Fred Taylor has basically been the Jacksonville Jaguars for a decade.
With that said I think there will be higher bidders for Taylor than the Niners.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 17, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Keep talking to yourself...
… and people will think you’re crazy.
Too late.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 17, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Fred Taylor was always hurt at the least opportune times when the team needed him on the field the most . . . year after year after year.
To sum up Singletary’s philosophy, “We want Winners!”. Not the curse who always prevented Jacksonville from kicking open the proverbial door. Taylor will probably pull his groin signing his free agent contract. There is a reason he isn’t beat up after 10 years, he’s only played 4 seasons worth of football.
Fred Taylor was never the player who was keeping the Jaguars from kicking open the door. Getting hurt at bad times is called coincidence. It has zero to do with being a “WINNER” – which, by the way, is a whole different issue that I could say a thing or two about (namely, good players help teams win, while bad teams help good players lose).
I guarantee that without Fred Taylor, the Jaguars lose far, far more games as a franchise since 1998. He’s been extremely valuable to that team. There’s no good way to ever march out the “Matt Cain” argument for any player.
But I guess a winner is somebody who gets hurt when the team doesn’t need him on the field. No happenstance involved there at all.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 17, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Fred Taylor’s injuries or injury prone-ness gets blown way out of proportion. For awhile he was labeled as guy who just couldn’t stay on the field to save his life which was pretty much complete nonsense.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 18, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
If anything Fred Taylors injury prowess has been swept under the rug the last few years while he played second fiddle to Jones-Drew. Taylor misses at least quarter of the season every year . . . and yes when he was the man in Jacksonville he often spent most of his season in the trainers room leaving the Jags without a running attack for a playoff caliber team.
That’s simply not true at all. If you take all of the seasons of Fred Taylor’s career except for 2001 (a completely lost season) and 2008 (when he was essentially a full-time backup), he’s missed an average of about 2 games a year as the feature back.
I threw out 2001 because it’s a statistical abberation and I threw out 2008 because he wasn’t “the man.”
So let’s see… a quarter of each year = 16/4 = 4. Now, 2 =/= 4. So you’re pretty much just pulling this out of your ass based on what is clearly a biased memory.
Let me put it another way, though. The average life of an NFL running back is something like 3.5 years. Running backs get hurt</‘b>. That’s what they do. That’s why they don’t age well and that’s why they don’t stay in the league very long. If the average running back is out of the league in less than 3 years, I’d say that Taylor being able to play in 140 games over 11 seasons and missing significant time in only two of them is actually a strong testament in favor of his durability.
I just don’t see where your argument has any legs.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
Stupid html.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’d have thought that the definition of WINNER is someone who, you know… Wins.
Since Taylor has been on the Jaguars, they have gone 94-82 and have been to the playoffs four times. And having been the starting RB for the majority of that time, I think it’s safe to come to the logical conclusion, Fred Taylor: WINNER.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
How did Taylor disappoint in Jacksonville? 3rd in active rushing yards, 16th all time, and he averaged 4 yards per carry every year of his eleven year career except for two, in which he averaged 3.9 per carry. As a matter of fact, he was in the top 10 of YPC average almost EVERY year he has played. So, again, where is the “disappointment” that Taylor gave the Jags?
Jacksonville has had some problems over the last decade, but I don’t think very many of them were due to Taylor. He is a veteran who could help the in the locker room as much as on the field.
dissapointment?
yeah i was gonna reply to that comment but method hit the nail on the head twice!!
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
I don’t see Fred Taylor signing with the 49ers because he has said that he can be a #1 running back, so he’ll probably only sign with a team that will give him a shot as a starter at running back. My thought are that he signs with the Lions or possibly the Cards
I also say no to Garcia. I say that we draft a QB in the middle-late round and let Hill start for the next season or two
dont agree with fred taylor looking to be a #1 running back
the guy is how old?
Just because...
… you (or I for that matter) think he’s over the hill, doesn’t mean he thinks the same. Of course he’s going to come out looking to be a #1 back, that’s how you maximize your contract. Even if he doesn’t get signed to be one, there are at least a handful of other teams that will give him more opportunities to play than the 49ers will.
I’m not sure how I feel about the idea of signing Garcia. On the one hand, I’ve been a big fan of his since his first year with the Niners, and he’s a winning QB.
On the other hand, he’s in his late 30s, so he’s a stopgap QB, and we’ve already got that role filled. Hill might not be as good as Garcia, but I can’t help but wonder how much we really need two short term QBs at the top of our depth chart.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Eh.
I don’t think the problem is so much about having two stop-gap QBs on your roster (which is generally what most backups are, anyway). I think the problem I have is that Garcia probably still perceives himself to be a #1 QB and would expect to be paid as much. Hill can’t be THAT much “worse” than Garcia, but he would more than definitely save the team a bundle.
I know exactly how I feel about the idea of signing Jeff Garcia.
I’ll let you know after I finish getting all of my teeth replaced from grinding them all to nubs a minute ago when I started thinking about Jeff Garcia.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
Up with hope!.....down with dope!
In this case Garcia is the hope and Taylor is the dope. As some people above have commented, he is 16th overall(pretty damn good for a career) but when you break that down he was injured at all the wrong times. We don’t need the 2nd head of our running game in a neckbrace. Taylor is old and injury prone and isn’t even worth a 1 year contract.
Now to the hope part. I would be awesome if Jeff could come back. He has led 2 different teams to the playoffs since he left. Although he’s old (39 this year) he can still throw, scramble and most of all lead. He is a leader and a veteran that can at the very least get us into the playoffs and mentor hill/smith on the way. I honestly don’t know why we let him go in the first place. My only stipulation would be to make a short deal. 1 year contract.
GAH! This is so full of wrong.
Being injured at “the wrong times” (which supposes there are good times to be hurt) is god darned coincidence. You can’t control that. He could have just as easily been injured at “the right times” (whatever the hell those are, anyway). Furthermore, he’s NOT injury prone! He’s been one of the healthier backs in the league for the last 11 years, and has only even lasted for 11 years because his body has held up to the torture of being an NFL running back.
People need to stop saying that about Taylor.
Furthermore, “I would be awesome if Jeff could come back. He has led 2 different teams to the playoffs since he left.”
By which you mean, two GOOD teams. Remember when he played for the Browns? Remember that? Is he enough of an improvement over Shaun Hill to warrant the cost of risking that the 49ers somehow aren’t as good as the either Eagles or the Bucs were when they were making the playoffs?
“He’s won games!” is NOT evidence.
“Citing uncontrollable circumstances” are NOT evidence.
I’m out.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 18, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
"He’s won games!" is NOT evidence.
You say that like football is a team sport or something. What the hell, man?
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
Wait, we’re talking about football?
I thought this was a Best Buy Geek Squad Unity Blog.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
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