49ers Free Agent Target Updates
by Fooch on Feb 24, 2009 8:00 AM PST
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Although I don't always believe what I read on the Internet (only a little bit of the time), I think it can be useful to get an idea of what's going on out there. Two potential free agent targets are Seahawks FB Leonard Weaver and Titans DT Albert Haynesworth. Rotoworld had some interesting comments that might not bode well for those of you jonesing for either guy:
Leonard Weaver
Rotoworld News: The player rep for free agent FB Leonard Weaver doesn't envision his client re-upping with Seattle.
Rotoworld Analysis: "Being a realist, I don't see it," the agent said. Weaver has already been linked to multiple destinations, but too often by writers who don't know his game. He's more of a third-down back than an old-fashioned lead blocker.
Albert Haynesworth
Rotoworld News: SI.com's Peter King believes that free agent Albert Haynesworth has overrated his market value.
Rotoworld Analysis: The Falcons and Lions have already all but pulled out of the running and King suggests that only Redskins owner Dan Snyder will pony up. Snyder had dinner with Haynesworth's agent over the weekend. King says Haynesworth's falling stock stems from his injuries, motor, age, and obvious price tag.
The Weaver comments are not surprising and were somewhat confirmed by Maiocco in his post yesterday:
The 49ers are in need of a fullback. Might they go after Seattle's Leonard Weaver? He's young and has many good years ahead of him. Those in the know say Weaver does not fit what Jimmy Raye and Mike Singletary (or is it Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye?) want to do with the offense. Weaver would've been a better fit for Martz's scheme. The 49ers this offseason will be looking for a thumper - you know, somebody like that guy they had in 2007 when Frank Gore rushed for nearly 1,700 yards. What was that guy's name? Oh, yeah, Moran Norris.
If Weaver is not the answer, and if Richardson re-signs with the Jets, that does seem to leave Moran Norris as the most likely possible fullback in 2009.
As for Albert Haynesworth, doesn't the comment about Snyder eating with Haynesworth's agent raise tampering concerns? Maybe it doesn't, but it certainly seems a lot worse than what the 49ers did with Lance Briggs and the Bears. But what do I know right? Either way, I haven't seen many other news updates about Haynesworth. It doesn't seem like the 49ers are in the running, but for those who really want Haynesworth (and you know who you are), any news might not really leak out until this weekend.
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I would be beyond shocked if he signs here.
Just based on everything that’s been said by McCloughan and Sing.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 24, 2009 8:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Moran Norris
Is the man. He can block, and you know what else? He had some nice swing passes that he took the distance. I think he’s very much like Tom Rathman.
by Indiana Jim on Feb 24, 2009 8:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I cringed..
..when they cut Norris..
How many of us think he should come back?
Maybe, we should make one of those voter tables NN!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 24, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Deuce McAllister??
Sure, he’s 31 this year but he’s the workhorse that the 49ers would need, the “tough guy” in two-back smash-mouth system. In 2008, he split snaps with Reggie Bush in 13 games, rushing 107 attempts for 418 yards and 5 TDs, an AVG of 3.9 YPC. He also caught 18 passes for 128 yards and a touchdown. I’d say that’s pretty darn good for the second man in a two-back system. Did I mention no fumbles? Since the Saints drafted Reggie Bush in 2006, Deuce has ran 375 att for 1567 yds and 15 touchdowns in 31 games, an AVG. of 4.2 yds per carry. Sign him and Moran Norris out of Free Agency and we have ourselves a backfield.
by J.SANCHEZ on Feb 24, 2009 9:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Deuce
He’s running on 2 reconstructed knees @ age 31. Doesn’t sound like a long term solution to me.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Feb 24, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Long term solution?
Why does every signing need to be a long term solution? Long term solutions aren’t usually cheap and easy to come by. Is Takeo Spikes a long term solution? No, but he is definitely an adequate stop gap which would allow the Niners to address different positions as they look their possible “long term solutions”. Consider McAllister the RB version of Spikes. The Niners need a RB to share the load with Gore, maybe they want to spend a mid round draft pick on one and maybe they don’t. If they signed a guy like McAllister they’d have the luxury of waiting a year to find Gore’s “long term” running mate.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 24, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO, METHOD. EVERY ADDITION NEEDS TO BE A SOLID DECADE LONG TALENT.
or something. I dunno.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 24, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Niners are totally screwed
I doubt Nedney has a decade left. Anybody have any idea what the Niners plan for long term solution at kicker is? Time is running out!
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 24, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McAllister vs. Spikes
The difference between Spikes (who they should resign) and McAllister (who they should not) is precisely the two reconstructed knees. If you sign a guy to be a stopgap and he spends the season on IR, what good is he? I’m not saying they shouldn’t sign an older guy that could still contribute. I’m saying they shouldn’t sign Deuce.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Feb 24, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gore has two reconstructed knees
What’s your point? McAllister actually played pretty good last year on two reconstructed knees. He ranked 9th in the league in DVOA, if you’re into that kind of thing. He’s got a little bit left in the tank and I see very little downside in a 1 to 2 year deal.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 24, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re: DVOA and the knees
The DVOA stat is interesting, I hadn’t heard that. That does make him a more attractive candidate, I guess. But who did he gain his yards against last year? Against our big sub package, against the Lions and against the Panthers. Well two out of three ain’t bad (for my argument that we shouldn’t pick him up).
The difference between his knees and Gore’s is that Gore’s knees haven’t been an issue since he’s been in the league. There’s no known downside to him, strictly speaking; but when a guy has only played 28 out of 64 games over the last 4 seasons, I’m not going to be wild about the guy. The sub 4.0 ypc stat along with the 0 20+ yard runs he has on his record the last two years would also be some cause for concern.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Feb 25, 2009 6:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
for comparison
Would you be happy if the Cards released Edge James and the Niners snapped him up? Their traditional stats and their DYAR are pretty similar except that Edge is more likely to stay healthy.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Feb 25, 2009 7:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"But who did he gain his yards against last year?"
If you’re entertaining DVOA as a viable stat then who he gained his yards against is arbitrary as DVOA is defense adjusted (that’s what the “D” in DVOA stands for). So you’re argument that he gained his yards against crappy defenses like the Niners, Lions and Packers really holds no water.
but when a guy has only played 28 out of 64 games over the last 4 seasons, I’m not going to be wild about the guy. The sub 4.0 ypc stat along with the 0 20+ yard runs he has on his record the last two years would also be some cause for concern.
These are valid points but also reasons why he should come cheap with little commitment. Deuce shouldn’t be expect to break of 20+ yard runs but he should be expected to efficient between the tackles and as a short yardage back, most notably around the goal line (which I’m starting to doubt Gore’s ability to punch it in).
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First Rounder...
I think we draft a first rounder in a couple of years with our 32nd overall pick… That’s right!! I said it!!
by J.SANCHEZ on Feb 24, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's available at 10?
There was that Schefter or Schroeder guy or something. I think he got 27 or 28 on the bench press — AS A KICKER.
Let’s take him 10th.
"I’m Joey Devine, I’m what Joba Chamberlain would be if he was good and nobody had ever heard of him."
by mikev on Feb 24, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
31 or not..
Duece for a duece.. he’ll be good for a couple more, he still shreds our d?
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 24, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you..
duece and norris!
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 24, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
man I keep forgetting to hit the reply button..
.. I think I need a bigger screen..
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Feb 24, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
John Clayton is reporting that Haynesworth has a monstrous price tag. We debated this last week. My opinion, a guy that expensive should not have questions surrounding his motor.
by bignerd on Feb 24, 2009 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yea he's way way up there.
He said he wants to be the highest paid defensive player in the league. He is definitely worth the price tag, he’s a BEAST!! But if he wants to play for anybody other than the Lions, he should reconsider.. He is asking for a damn STIMULUS PACKAGAE!!! I already voted for one of those, I think one is enough…
by J.SANCHEZ on Feb 24, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How bout the unsung heros in free agency...
I personally feel Scot should make a move to acquire Tank Johnson or Canty to help solidify that 3-4 scheme. This is a great article.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Feb 24, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Even as I’m intrigued, doesn’t it seem like Tank Johnson would be in the ’can’t win with them’ category?
I also wonder if the star on the helmet doesn’t lead these guys to be somewhat overrated, though.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Feb 25, 2009 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good call
Probably tomorrow I’m thinking will be the front page post with my own predictions on free agency, and asking for some of yours. Given the volume of players out there and lack of word from the 49ers front office, it’ll be a bit of a shot in the dark, but this will give people a chance to point to the lesser known folks.
by Fooch on Feb 24, 2009 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was a huge Haynesworth guy
but I hadnt realized just how often he’s been hurt. I wont be heartbroken if the Skins land him with yet another massive Snyder overpayment.
"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike
by sam23 on Feb 24, 2009 11:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
loving/hating the Skins FA strategy
I love it: it consistently screws that team over just when they look like they’re turning the corner. All Schadenfreude, all the time
I hate it: it consistently jacks up the price for other free agents all over the league.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Feb 25, 2009 7:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Rodgers
Apparently Rodgers wants out of Cleveland now that Mangini is in town. Rodgers has to shoot above Haynesworth as a potential NT target as Rodgers has already proven to be a Pro Bowl caliber NT. I get the attitude issues and other baggage that Rodgers lugs around with him but I don’t know enough about him personally to pass judgment and from a strictly talent viewpoint I’d consider him much more enticing that Haynesworth.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I do also get that Rodgers is not a FA and that he would indeed would most likely have to be traded for unless the Browns decide to not re-sign release him.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like...
… Haynesworth doesn’t come with potential personality issues, either.
by sfgfan on Feb 25, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
But who you taking (ignoring cost for the sake of the discussion)?
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty close...
… but I’d probably lean toward Rodgers, like you.
by sfgfan on Feb 25, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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