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Statistical Preview of 2009 Free Agency: IV. Pass Rushers

Welcome to Part 4 of my free agency preview. In Part 1, I showed that, if McSingle thinks the 49ers are a playoff contender, then signing an old free agent QB has done the trick for several teams the past few seasons. Of the old free agent QBs that are available, I identified Jeff Garcia as the best option because he's been highly efficient (and consistently so) over the past 3 seasons.

In Part 2, I showed that most starting RTs on NFL playoff teams were drafted, not signed as free agents. However, if the Niners are going to sign a free agent RT, overwhelming evidence suggests that they should sign a player who's started at RT for a previous team, rather than signing a LT and moving him to RT. Originally, I identified Vernon Carey as the pick of the litter based on the Dolphins' performance on RT and RE runs. Since I wrote Part 2, however, Carey's been re-signed by MIA, so Mark Tauscher is currently the best available free agent RT based on his stats.

In Part 3, I showed that playoff teams have an all-or-nothing philosophy about a lead-blocking FB, and that most starting lead-blocking FBs were either drafted late or not drafted at all. In addition, those that were acquired via free agency were signed when they were inexperienced no-names. Although none of the available free agents this offseason fit that profile, I identified Tony Richardson as the best - and most likely - option for the 49ers.

Today, in Part 4, I'll be taking a look at the free agent pass rushers. As I said during Part 1, I'll be freelancing a little bit more (aka not being as stat-heavy) for pass rushers and free safeties (Part 5) because there aren't a lot of good stats out there for individual defenders. Fortunately, as you'll find out, I'm not going to need much in the way of stats to evaluate the available free agent pass rushers that fit the profile of what Singletary and his 3-4 defense will be looking for this offseason.

IDENTIFYING THE TARGET(S)

For the past several seasons, anyone who has regularly watched 49er games has realized that the most glaring weakness on defense has been the pass rush (or lack thereof). Indeed, the stats back up our suspicions: The Niners' adjusted sack rate (ASR) was ranked 32nd in 2004, 32nd in 2005, 20th in 2006, 25th in 2007, and 26th in 2008. In other words, the 49ers' defense has been in the bottom quarter of the league 4 of the past 5 seasons with respect to sacking their opponent's QB. Obviously, you don't need a statistician to tell you that (a) that's not good, and (b) it needs improvement.

But how should the 49ers go about improving it? Should they sign a free agent or draft a pass rusher? If they draft a pass rusher, what position should he have played in college and how early should they draft him? If they sign a free agent pass rusher, what kind of experience should the player have, and how old should he be? How important is their switch to a base 3-4 defense for determining which route they should take? Here's another thought: What if the 49ers' elusive "sack artist" is actually on the roster already? First things first; let's try to remove some of this uncertainty

For this article, I'm defining a "pass rusher" as any player who recorded 4 or more sacks in 2008. I'm using 4 sacks as a threshold because, hey, if you can't sack the QB more than once every 4 games, then you're probably not a "sack artist," or even a "sack artist in the making." Below is a table showing the position breakdown of every sack in 2008 that was recorded by a player with 4 or more sacks:

3-4

Players

Sacks

Average

 

4-3

Players

Sacks

Average

LDE

3

18

6.0

LDE

19

113.5

6.0

LDT

--

--

--

LDT

4

19

4.8

NT

2

12

6.0

NT

--

--

--

RDT

--

--

--

RDT

8

43.5

5.4

RDE

2

15

7.5

RDE

25

180.5

7.2

LOLB

7

46.5

6.6

LOLB

2

10

5.0

LILB

1

8

8.0

LILB

--

--

--

MLB

--

--

--

MLB

0

0

0.0

RILB

2

9

4.5

RILB

--

--

--

ROLB

9

91

10.1

ROLB

3

13

4.3

Total

26

199.5

7.7

Total

61

379.5

6.2

Immediately, a couple of things should jump out at you. First, only 35% of the "pass rusher" sacks were achieved by teams that use the 3-4 as their base defense. Don't let this alarm you with respect to Singletary's move to a 3-4, though. In the NFL, 9 of the 32 teams - or about 30% - employ a 3-4 base defense. This means that pass rushers in a 3-4 actually sack the QB more than you would expect given the ratio of 4-3 to 3-4 teams in the league. This fact is borne out in the sack averages for each type of defense: Individual pass rushers in a 3-4 average more sacks than pass rushers in a 4-3.* Also, although it's not detailed in the table, 3 of the top 4 individual sack totals in 2008 were achieved by 3-4 OLBs (DeMarcus Ware, Joey Porter, and James Harrison).

After the  jump, I'll continue to discuss this table, identify free agent criteria based on current 3-4 pass rushers, make an argument that might be a bit controversial, and tell you what the stats (and my opinion) say the 49ers should do to address their pass rushing deficiency this offseason...

Star-divide

The second, and more important, thing that should jump out at you is where the vast majority of sacks come from in each defense. As is clearly depicted in the table, 4-3 defenses get the lion's share (77.5%) of their sacks from pass rushers playing DE. In contrast, 3-4 defenses get the vast majority (68.9%) of their sacks from pass rushers playing OLB. I don't think we need any more proof of the tactical difference between the two defenses than the fact that (a) pass-rushing DEs in a 4-3 out-sacked pass-rushing DEs in a 3-4 to the tune of 294-33, and (b) pass-rushing OLBs in a 3-4 out-sacked pass-rushing OLBs in a 4-3 by a count of 137.5-23.

A couple of other things, though, might not jump out at you from the table. One is that, although 4-3 DEs and 3-4 OLBs have the greatest share of sacks in general, RDE (in a 4-3) and ROLB (in a 3-4) are the most prolific pass rushers specifically. This evidence is akin to an NFL proof of concept: NFL defenses position their best pass rushers on the right side, so LT is the most important pass-protecting position for NFL offenses. Want 49er-related proof of concept? Parys Haralson, SF's best pass rusher in 2008, played ROLB.

Another subtle point in the table is in line with an argument I made when I reviewed the 49ers' defensive stats: NT and ILB are clearly not pass-rushing positions in a 3-4. So, as it relates to the 49ers, Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, and especially Aubrayo Franklin should not be evaluated by their sack totals. This last point is my main reason for thinking that - in agreement with some of you - signing Albert Haynesworth would be a waste of money for SF. Haynesworth has starred at a position (4-3 RDT) where he's both a run-stopper and a pass-rusher (RDTs have the 3rd-most 4-3 sacks). Why should the Niners pay market value (read "A lot of money") for Haynesworth when they're only going to use half of his skill set (i.e., run-stopping)? Conversely, why would Haynesworth sign with SF to toil away in NT anonymity when he can continue getting accolades as a total-package RDT? To me, that signing just wouldn't make sense...from either party's perspective.

So it's pretty clear that, in the 3-4 defense, OLBs are the primary pass rushers. This means that, if the 49ers want to improve their pass rush in 2009, they should do so by upgrading at OLB (Aside: This poses an interesting problem, but I'll get to that a little bit later.). Therefore, it's time to answer the question: "Where do pass-rushing OLBs come from?" As I said earlier, there are 9 teams in the NFL that play a base 3-4, which makes the total number of starting OLBs 18. Of these 18, 16 had more than 4 sacks in 2008. I'm pretty sure you can guess one of the teams that had a starting OLB with less than 4 sacks (Hint: Their nickname rhymes with, and is a synonym for, "Sporty miners"). Below is a table showing the 16 players who had 4 or more sacks in 2008 from the OLB position in a 3-4 defense:

Player

Team

Draft Team

Sacks

How Acq

Draft Round

Age Acq

College Pos

2008 Pos

Greg Ellis

DAL

DAL

8.0

Draft

1

--

DE

LOLB

Bryan Thomas

NYJ

NYJ

5.5

Draft

1

--

DE

LOLB

DeMarcus Ware

DAL

DAL

20.0

Draft

1

--

DE

ROLB

Terrell Suggs

BAL

BAL

8.0

Draft

1

--

DE

ROLB

Kamerion Wimbley

CLE

CLE

4.0

Draft

1

--

DE

ROLB

LaMarr Woodley

PIT

PIT

11.5

Draft

2

--

DE/OLB

LOLB

Matt Roth

MIA

MIA

5.0

Draft

2

--

DE

LOLB

Shaun Phillips

SD

SD

7.5

Draft

4

--

DE

LOLB

Jarret Johnson

BAL

BAL

5.0

Draft

4

--

DE

LOLB

Parys Haralson

SF

SF

8.0

Draft

5

--

DE

ROLB

Jyles Tucker

SD

SD

5.5

Draft

ND

--

DE

ROLB

Mike Vrabel

NE

PIT

4.0

Free Agent

3

26

DE

LOLB

James Harrison

PIT

PIT

16.0

Free Agent

ND

26

OLB

ROLB

Calvin Pace

NYJ

ARI

7.0

Free Agent

1

27

DE

ROLB

Joey Porter

MIA

PIT

17.5

Free Agent

3

30

DE

ROLB

Adalius Thomas

NE

BAL

5.0

Free Agent

6

30

DE

ROLB

By now, you should be familiar with most of the abbreviations and classifications in the table. All I'll remind you of is that (a) "Draft" players with ND in the draft round column were signed as undrafted free agents by their current team, and (b) a player's primary position in college is listed first if he started extensively at multiple positions. OK, back to the entree...

Among the NFL's 3-4 defenses, 11 of the 16 pass-rushing OLBs were selected by their current team in the draft. Of these 11, 5 were 1st-round picks, and 9 were chosen in the 4th round or earlier. In addition, 15 of the 16 pass-rushing OLBs played DE as their primary position in college. This is most likely due to (a) differences between the height/weight requirements for OLBs in college vs. the NFL, and (b) the overwhelming prevalence of 4-3 defenses in college.

Of the 5 pass-rushing OLBs that were signed as free agents, 3 were drafted by PIT, 4 are ROLBs, all 5 were acquired by the age of 30, and all 5 were signed away from teams that used a base 3-4 defense during the season immediately preceding their acquisition. This last point is similar to what I found out about starting RTs in the NFL (i.e., they had recent experience as a starting RT), and suggests that - despite opinions to the contrary - NFL teams prefer signing players who have previous starting experience at the position of interest. In other words, the NFL does not - for the most part - engage in free agency metamorphosis. They rely on other teams to figure out what a player's skill set is, and to position him accordingly. When they sign a free agent to be their starter, it's usually with the intention of keeping him at that specific position.

So what does the information in the table suggest about the origin(s) of pass-rushing, 3-4 OLBs? Well, most were acquired through the draft by teams who selected them in the early rounds, and converted them from college DE to NFL OLB. If a team signed a free agent, pass-rushing OLB, they did so when the player was relatively young and had recent experience in the 3-4 defense (BAL and ARI dabbled in the 3-4 during Pace's and Thomas's final seasons with the team). Also, that free agent signing was likely an attempt to fill the ROLB (aka primary pass-rusher) position.

In summary, then, 3-4 defenses sack the QB more than you would expect given that there are only 9 of them, and 3-4 pass rushers average more sacks than 4-3 pass rushers. In the 3-4, OLBs are the primary pass rushers, and ROLB is usually where teams position their best pass rusher. Most 3-4 OLBs were drafted (usually early) by their current teams as college DEs. Of the 3-4 OLBs that were signed as free agents, all were under 31 when they were signed, all had recent experience as an OLB in the 3-4, and almost all were signed to play ROLB.

THE LITTER

Given that they'll be playing a base 3-4 defense this season, here's how I would apply the above stats to the 49ers' current situation:

  • They should probably draft a "sack artist" rather than sign him as a free agent. If they choose to do so, they should target a college DE in the early rounds, with the intention of converting him to OLB.
  • If they choose to sign a free agent pass rusher, that free agent should be young, experienced in the 3-4, and acquired with the intention of starting him at ROLB. They should not (and probably don't want to), for example, sign a starting 4-3 RDE, and try to move him to ROLB when he arrives in SF.

These recommendations present an interesting problem for (a) the 49ers' foray into OLB free agency, and (b) my preview of OLB free agents. Simply, there aren't any free agent OLBs who fit the evidence-based criteria. Special thanks here go to BAL for franchising Terrell Suggs. Of course, it's much more important for the 49ers to adjust to this problem than it is for me to adjust to it. Well, actually, what if perhaps  this is actually a blessing in disguise for the Niners? Personally, I tend to think it is; here's why.

I just mentioned Terrell Suggs on purpose. In their pre-franchising Suggs-lust, it seems to have slipped past many Niner fans that Suggs only had 8 sacks in 2008 (See the above table) as a ROLB, which is equal to the number recorded by - wait for it - Parys Haralson. To boot, Haralson's 8 sacks came in 10 starts, whereas Suggs' 8 sacks came in 16 starts. So basically, and keeping in mind I'm only talking about one season, Haralson averaged about a sack per game, while Suggs averaged a sack every 2 games.

Here are a couple of other interesting tidbits of information related to the Haralson/Suggs comparison. As I mentioned in the comments section of my Niner defense review, Singletary started the same 11 players in a 3-4 defense for 5 of the last 6 games this past season. It turns out that Haralson got 3.5 of his 8 sacks during those 5 games, all of which he started at ROLB. So, obviously, the main pass-rushing beneficiary of switching to the 3-4 seems to have been Parys Haralson. The other tidbit you asked? Well, Haralson will be 25 at the beginning of the 2009 season, while Suggs will be 26.

The point of my Haralson/Suggs comparison is to suggest that, perhaps, the 49ers already have a young, blossoming, "sack artist" on their roster who has experience in the 3-4, and, therefore, that they don't need to go out and sign one in free agency. This is especially true now that BAL used the franchise tag to take Suggs off the market. But really, even if Suggs was available, why spend the money when you already have a player on your roster with similar (arguably better) 2008 stats, a later birth date, and an apparent acumen for registering sacks when starting at ROLB in the 3-4 defense?

So my vote (and that of the stats) is clear: Screw signing a free agent ROLB. If anything, the 49ers might be better off signing a LOLB to pair with Haralson on passing downs. After all, LOLB is where most of the non-ROLB sacks come from in the 3-4, right? Well, signing a LOLB in free agency poses additional problems. First, there aren't any young, 3-4 LOLBs on the market either. Second, the Niners don't really use a LOLB much on passing downs. Instead, they go to one of their nickel packages, which sends LOLB Manny Lawson to the bench, has Willis and Haralson at LB, and adds either an extra CB (i.e., Sub package) or an extra S (i.e., Big Sub package) to the field. So basically, the benefit of signing a pass-rushing LOLB would be attenuated by the Niners' substitution tendencies.

Taking all considerations into account then, the 49ers should probably stay away from free agency in their quest to find a "sack artist." Therefore - and sorry if this disappoints you - I'm not going to evaluate any free agent OLBs.

PICK OF THE LITTER

Let me just recap my logic here:

  1. The 49ers are going to be using the 3-4 as their base defense in 2009.
  2. The stats suggest that sacks in a 3-4 defense come predominately from pass-rushing OLBs, especially the ROLB.
  3. The stats say that OLBs for 3-4 defenses are acquired predominately through the draft. Those that are signed as free agents tend to be young and have recent experience in the 3-4.
  4. This offseason, no available free agent OLBs meet the evidence-based criteria.
  5. The 49ers already have a starting ROLB who is young, experienced in the 3-4, had as many sacks in 2008 as the once-coveted Terrell Suggs, and blossomed as a pass-rusher when Singletary switched to the base 3-4.
  6. The 49ers substitute a CB or S for their LOLB on passing downs, so signing a pass-rushing free agent LOLB (of which there are none), wouldn't benefit them much. Basically, it's kind of pointless to sign a pass-rushing LOLB when the LOLB doesn't play on, you know, passing downs.

Based on this logic, I'll tell you what I think the 49ers should do to upgrade their pass rush this offseason, rather than ranking free agent OLBs who meet certain criteria (of which there are none):

Start Haralson at 3-4 ROLB for the entire season.

Draft a college DE in the first few rounds with the intention of converting him to pass-rushing OLB. This gives the Niners depth if Haralson gets hurt, and flexibility if they want to play less nickel on passing downs. Right now, Lawson doesn't give them that flexibility.

• Be more aggressive in their defensive play-calling. In other words, "release the hounds!"

On Thursday, I'll be previewing the free safeties and summing up all 5 free agency preview articles. TO BE CONTINUED...

 

 

*I performed an independent samples t-test to see if there was a statistically significant difference between the sack averages of 3-4 and 4-3 pass rushers. The p-value for this test was .06, which just misses the traditional standard for statistical significance (p < .05). As the traditional standard of "statistical significance" is arbitrary (e.g., I could choose p < .10, rather than p < .05, as being the cutoff for statistical significance), the result of my t-test was meaningful nevertheless. Basically, it means there's a 94% probability that 3-4 pass rushers actually have higher sack averages than 4-3 pass rushers, or, alternatively, that there's only a 6% chance this difference is due to statistical dumb luck (aka random chance). Also, with only 26 pass rushers in the 3-4 sample, it's highly likely that the difference would be statistically significant if the sample size was increased to 61 (aka equal to the sample size of 4-3 pass rushers).

**ASR statistics used to produce this article were obtained from Football Outsiders.

Poll
How would you MOST prefer the 49ers to address their pass rushing problems during THIS offseason?
By letting Parys Haralson emerge as their "sack artist" ROLB
34 votes
By signing a free agent 4-3 DE and moving him to OLB
5 votes
By signing an old free agent 3-4 OLB
14 votes
By signing a type of free agent not listed here (Specify in comments)
12 votes
By drafting a college DE and moving him to OLB
31 votes
Both A (let Haralson emerge) and E (draft a college DE)
168 votes

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Igor!!!

I think Igor Olshansky would bolster our edge rush immediately. He’s a humungous giant, and was once coached by Manusky in San Diego. Look at the sack totals from San Diego’s LBs over the past four seasons. It’d be interesting to see how many came from Igor’s side. I know they have a dump truck in the middle with Jamal, but still, Igor is world’s strongest man, strong.

Just picture this for a moment: Justin Smith, BJ Rajii, Igor Olshansky. That’s the type of girth and grit you need on a 3-4 line. Parys should be able to match his 8 sacks, and I think a healthier Manny can atleast threaten pass rush. Our rush defense would be suffocating and if we add a guy like Michael Johnson (if he drops to round 3), we’d have a nice pass rush package with Haralson and Johnson edge rushing.

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by Andrew Davidson on Feb 24, 2009 3:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

olshansky...

…only had 2 sacks this season. as per the table, shaun phillips had 7.5 sacks at LOLB for SD. i think signing olshansky and drafting a college DE to play LOLB on passing downs (as i suggested in the article) might give the niners a nice balance of pass rush from the right side (haralson) and the left side (olshansky and draft pick). olshansky’s experience with manusky is definitely a plus too. so, yeah, i kind of agree with you for the most part.

by Florida Danny on Feb 24, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Igor

Yes, he did himself only have 2 sacks, but his presence would be more valuable than his sack total. Especially if you put him up against the LT and free up an edge at the QB’s blind spot.

And for the record, your deep statistical blogs are quite interesting to say the least. It makes me feel like I’m reading sabremetrics.

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by Andrew Davidson on Feb 24, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the kind words

i thought olshansky played LDE in SD. if so, then coupled with justin smith’s entrenchment at RDE, i think he’d be playing LDE for the niners if they signed him. in fact, LDE is the weakest part of SF’s DL when you consider the job duties of each position. sopoaga has been given enough time to become good already. mcdonald might turn into a descent pass rusher if he can actually learn how to, you know, wait for the ball to be snapped (p.s. i’m a gator). so yeah, olshansky at LDE sounds like a better use of the acquisition than olshansky at RDE. i wouldn’t mind an olshansky, franklin, smith, lawson, spikes, willis, haralson front 7 to tell you the truth. throw in draft picks at NT and LOLB, and the front 7 could be really,really good in a year or two.

by Florida Danny on Feb 24, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

correct

My bad, he did play LDE at San Diego. Either way, I hope we get him.

by Andrew Davidson on Feb 24, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

igor!!

i went to high school with this guy. he’s a san francisco native, so chances are high to land him. he’s definitely a beast with a great motor. i wouldn’t expect his sack totals to be very high playing DE in a 3-4, but with his size and hustle, he should be a force to either collapse the pocket or occupy additional blockers.

by cachu on Feb 25, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just curious...

back in high school, how much crap did he get being named “igor”?

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing not much

Who really messes with a big ass russian?

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's what i was thinking

was kind of hoping though that cachu is himself a big ass russian, and could dish out the ribbing

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you don't mess with mother f'in russians....

granted he’s 6’6" 300+ now, he was around 6’4" 230 in high school as a freshman. he picked on those who couldnt bench as much as he could regardless of class. i dont know about you, but i dont know very many people who can bench 40 reps of 225 in one set.

but yeah, he got his share of licks as well from the upperclassmen. he’s in the grade behind me, but i wasnt stupid enough to give him sh*t.

by cachu on Feb 25, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what about...

benching 1 rep of 225 in 40 sets? i can do that. ;-)

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see that

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll be...

broadcasting it via webcam on a pay-per-view basis…date and time to be determined

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Canty?

He is a free agent and was on the same side as Demarcus Ware in Dallas

by willis52 on Feb 24, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Canty

I’ll put a quarter on Canty signing with the Dolphins. The guy has done nothing but gush about Parcells, so I haven’t even considered the thought of him as a Niner.

Having said that, I think he’d be awesome on our D-Line.

by Andrew Davidson on Feb 24, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

are you proposing...

signing canty to play RDE, and moving j smith to LDE? or signing canty, but moving him to LDE?

by Florida Danny on Feb 24, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if one guy has shown an impressive ability to play where he’s asked, its Justin Smith.

With his non-stop motor he could probably succeed as an NT in the 3-4. He’s what a true blue collar professional athlete is, expect the pay cheque isn’t exactly blue collar. Smith had a pretty good first half with Nolan moving him around (3 sacks, 1 INT), and also settled into the RDE nicely to close out the season.

I’m sticking to my heart on this one though and I’d like to see Igor wearing red and gold. Smith can continue to flourish on the right side, and Igor can engulf the left side.

Why can’t Bryant Young lace ’em up for another season? ;)

by Andrew Davidson on Feb 24, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Done Sir!

Danny, I love the statistical analysis and the comparisons. I like Igor too, he also has that motor a 3-4 DE needs.

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 24, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Indeed!

Your analysis brings a lot to Niners Nation—I am consistently convinced by the logic of your arguments, even when the stats make my eyes go a little fuzzy (note: I’m a grad student, too). Highlighting the fact that Haralson’s production improved after the switch to a full-time 3-4 was particularly helpful, as was your argument for why Haynesworth would be both a) unlikely to sign and b) ill-served by signing with the 49ers.
If Maybin, Orakpo, E. Brown and BJ Raji were on the board at #10, who do you think would be the best pick? Does that change if Ron Brace is available in the second round too?

Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!

by grantmp on Feb 24, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the kudos...

…glad i could be of service.

as to your question, i have to admit that i’m unbelievably ignorant when it comes to college football outside of gainesville. although football is my favorite sport in general, i just can’t bring myself to watch a league (NCAA D-1) where the “true” champion is in doubt every year. i can’t stand systematic unfairness in a league, so it should be no surprise that i also care very little about major league baseball these days.

basically, because i’m so ignorant about college football, i’ll leave it to someone much more knowledgeable to answer your question. throw it up on one of briandean’s threads. i’m sure he’ll be more than happy to answer.

by Florida Danny on Feb 24, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

briandean

He’ll have a post going up next Monday, so definitely something to throw out then.

by Fooch on Feb 24, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great analysis

but isn’t Takeo Spikes in on passing downs. Why not take hime out (or the LE) and put in an edge rusher. So in nickel the alignment could look like this.

Haralson-Smith-Sopoaga-Edge Rusher
Willis-Goldson
Harris-Brown-Roman-Lewis-Clements

Hopefully Roman is replaced, but you get the idea. Another pass rusher could easily fit on passing downs at least.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 24, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not an export on these things

But would that be a dime package? With 6 DBs? Or am I off? I thought nickel was 4 regular DBs + 1 nickel back.

Not that that effects the front 4 at all, just my own curiousity. As for that edge rusher, that wouldn’t be bad I guess.

by Sebaz49 on Feb 25, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

for the niners

looks to me like bablue’s proposition is a dime package. in general, the niners use one of 3 alignments on passing downs:

1) SUB — CB tarrell brown replaces LOLB manny lawson. CB walt harris moves to the slot so brown can cover the weak side WR
2) BIG SUB — S dashon goldson replaces LOLB manny lawson
3) DIME — brown replaces lawson and goldson replaces LB takeo spikes. harris moves to the slot. goldson slides into a deeper position than where spikes was.

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your right its a dime.

But even in nickel you don’t need the whole line or Spikes playing. Another pash rusher could easily get in the lineup. Although I’m not sure if Lawson doesn’t need to be replaced altogether (at least if he can’t improve) because there should really always be more than one pass rusher on the field.

by Brendan Scolari on Feb 25, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Goldson vs Lewis

Kind of off topic nit-picking, but with your alignment above, I think that Goldson would be playing in the backfield with Lewis moving up to play “next” to Willis.

by sfgfan on Feb 25, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

it’s probably a mix of both…goldson would move against 4 WR sets…lewis would move up against 3 WR sets

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

edit

goldson would move up*

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted A

But it’s more like option G: Let Haralson emerge and draft a DE… sounds like F I know. But what I’m looking for is one of the big 3-4 DEs that will actually play DE. Basically another Smith. Someone who will do some damage himself, but mainly be a monster occupying the OLine. If we could get Igor, he sounds like that type of player. Plus a solid NT… I’m still in Raji’s corner, but I wouldn’t be heartbroken if the team settled for Brace. I actually wonder if Brace might not be the better NT, as I’ve read that he’s been that occupying force in the middle that allowed Raji to go nuts. So yeah, get a DE to compliment Smith on the other side (draft or FA), get a monster NT, and let Haralson start every game.

So yeah… I’m liking the idea of the following front 7:
Olshansky – (Raji or Brace) – Smith
Lawson/(another edge rusher) – Willis – Spikes – Haralson

by Sebaz49 on Feb 25, 2009 7:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Arizona Cardinals

Aren’t they running a predominantly 3-4 now or are you considering it more of a 3-4/4-3 hybrid. If you do consider the Cardinals you’ve got three more OLB with 4+ sacks (Okeafor, LaBoy and Berry (who is a pending FA) and none of whom were drafted by the Cardinals). Although LaBoy is probably the only enticing player of those 3.

Also, the fact that LOLBs don’t net many sacks is by design (typically the teams best pass rusher plays ROLB). So if there was a LOLB FA that was a good pass rusher like Phillips, Woodley or Ellis I suspect they could be moved to ROLB rather easily. I also think the DE positions (in a 3-4) are pretty much interchangeable.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 8:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

i’m counting ARI as a 3-4 hybrid because i went back to all their game logs from this season, and they never (or rarely) started a game in a 3-4. i can’t make an argument that they’re a 3-4 base defense if they hardly ever started in one. i can give some wiggle room for their 4+ sack OLBs, though, as part of the conversation.

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Understood

Just curious because from what I’ve read it seems like they’re ultimately trying to transition into the 3-4 but are having personnel issues (much like the Niners). But if you included Arizona the drafted to FA ratio of 3-4 OLBs would jump from 11:5 to 11:8.

Anybody know if the Broncos are the only team transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this year? I had originally thought that the Packers were but I think that when Nolan was rumored to have been going there. I was just thinking that anytime a new team makes the switch it would drive up the FA pricing on 3-4 type players because they might be really desperate to get some kind of foundation in place for their new defense ASAP. It’s kind of a mute point for this offense as there isn’t much 3-4 talet out there in FA. I’m really curious to see how Elvis Dumervil fairs in the 3-4 as I think coming out of college the 3-4 OLB position was probably a better fit for him at the NFL level then DE. I’d put Travis LaBoy in that same kind of grouping, he had been playing as an undersized DE with the Titans and didn’t have a great year with the Cardinals but his season was mired with injuries and learning a new position.

Personally I think the Niners need to keep an eye out for OLB who may be currently misused in a 4-3 (i.e. Calvin Pace who was far from anything special before Arizona starting incorporating the 3-4 and playing him at OLB). Guys like Chris Gocong (6’2" 263 lbs) of the Eagles who made a name for himself as an epic sack artist in I-AA football but might be a little too big for a 4-3 OLB (he’s also a FA next year).

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...

with whisenhunt’s PIT roots, ARI is trying to move to a 3-4, but they’ve been “trying” for a couple of seasons now. in 2007, they started a few games in 3-4. that’s why i included pace as having recent 3-4 experience before signing with NYJ. in fact, ARI’s situation seems pretty similar to the constant flirtation with 3-4 that nolan did with the niners. speaking of nolan, DEN is going to be playing a 3-4/4-3 hybrid in 2009, with the intention of moving to a permanent 3-4 in the future (what a shocker!). GB is indeed moving to a 3-4 next season. KC is also switching to the 3-4 in 2009, although it may end up being a hybrid initially.

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 3-4/4-3 hybrid

I’ve got to believe that the only excuse to running a “hybrid” is because you don’t fully have the personnel for a base 3-4. Because really it doesn’t make sense to run two different schemes that require almost completely different personnel. Teams can’t go out and cut all of the guys on the roster that really only fit a 4-3 and they can’t go out and sign a whole new defense of 3-4 guys.

Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.

by methodrampage on Feb 25, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff

That is really, really interesting. Harylson does look like he has a lot of potential.

What bout the left DE? We haven’t talked too much about this position in the off-season. In putting pressure on the quarterback and engaging defenders, it didn’t seem like the left DE was particularly impactful last year.

by Neon on Feb 25, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

correct...

in my defensive stat review, i identified a lack of impact from the LDE as something the niners need to improve…just not going over the LDE free agents because i don’t think it’s as important a position as QB, FB, RT, pass rusher, and FS in terms of singletary’s offensive and defensive strategies in 2009.

by Florida Danny on Feb 25, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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